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Low-Price Compact PlayStation 2 Due Next Year

Zonk posted more than 6 years ago | from the ultimate-edition dept.

PlayStation (Games) 87

MCV is reporting that a $99 version of the PlayStation 2, in a new and compact format, will be released next year. The new unit will incorporate the power supply into its housing, allowing Sony to manufacture the product very inexpensively. "The news will surely come as a blow to Sony rivals Nintendo and Microsoft, who have seen sales of PS2 suffer somewhat due to the introduction of Wii and Xbox 360 in recent years. PS2 this week celebrated its seventh anniversary, during which time it has sold over 120 million units worldwide. Yet this cut demonstrates Sony's belief that the system's market is far from exhausted. Last month, publisher bosses from the likes of Eidos, Ubisoft and Atari suggested to MCV that a price cut on the console could massively reinvigorate its sales figures."

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Replacement for compatibility? (5, Insightful)

bsharitt (580506) | more than 6 years ago | (#21224409)

I guess this Sony's answer to removing backwards compatibility on the new 40GB PS3?

Re:Replacement for compatibility? (1)

ozbird (127571) | more than 6 years ago | (#21226157)

Removing? Some markets (Europe, Australia etc.) didn't get the hardware-based PS2 compatibility in the first place.

Re:Replacement for compatibility? (1)

Ant P. (974313) | more than 6 years ago | (#21226975)

And when you think about it, that's a good thing.

Imagine everyone throwing out their PS2s to run old games on that power-sucking monster.

Re:Replacement for compatibility? (1)

bsharitt (580506) | more than 6 years ago | (#21228487)

Being a PS2 owner, the backwards of the PS3 was one of it's biggest selling points. Of course the Wii was also backwards compatible with all of my GameCube games too, so I got that since it was cheaper.

Re:Replacement for compatibility? (1)

Storlek (860226) | more than 6 years ago | (#21229847)

Not only that, the Wii can also play a number of N64, SNES, Nintendo, TG16, Genesis, and Neo Geo games. (Beat that, Sony.)

Re:Replacement for compatibility? (1)

Gingernads (831161) | more than 6 years ago | (#21230313)

I'm sorry but the ability to download games originally available on N64, SNES, Nintendo, TG16, Genesis, and Neo Geo (for money) does not equal backwards compatibility. I know this because I have a Wii, along with original versions for most of these consoles. I have yet to find the slot for any of these Did I get one of those Walmart Wii consoles by mistake?

Re:Replacement for compatibility? (1)

Storlek (860226) | more than 6 years ago | (#21235705)

I said nothing about backward compatibility. I only said that, with a Wii, you can play a number of those games.

Re:Replacement for compatibility? (1)

tlhIngan (30335) | more than 6 years ago | (#21228703)

Removing? Some markets (Europe, Australia etc.) didn't get the hardware-based PS2 compatibility in the first place.


Technically, there is some PS2 hardware in the PS3s except the 40GB. The first PS3s came with the combined EE/GS chip, thus putting a full PS2 inside every PS3. The ones that Europe got still have a GS chip in them, while the EE was emulated by the Cell CPU. The GS was never fully emulated by the Cell or RSX (unlike the Xbox360).

The 40GB PS3, however, lacks a GS chip. Thus it has no backwards compatibility at all. Sony will have to write a GS emulator for their existing emulator in order to get backwards compatibility in that unit.

Re:Replacement for compatibility? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21251777)

PS3 was too expensive compared to previous PS2.
PS3 was toooooo expensive!!! compared to previous PS2!!!.
PS3 was tooooooooooooooooo EXPENSIVEEEEEEEE!!! compared to previous PS2!!!.
Sony is dying ...

Sony GOAATXXXSEEEEE!!!!!!.

( ( ( Murphy's Law : Sony said many millions of PS3 and many billions of CELLs to be sold buy Sony only did sell less than 2 millions of PS3 and less than 2 millions of PS3 )))

Bad business for Sony!!! Poor CELLs productions!!! FUCK ASSHOLE!!!!

Nothing for you to see here. Please move along. (1)

trolltalk.com (1108067) | more than 6 years ago | (#21224417)

For once, it was right!.

Contrary to the assestion that "this will be a blow to Nintendo ...", Nintendo doesn't give a hoot - they're going to be able to do the same thing, except why bother when demand STILL exceeds supply for the Wii?

If you had to buy just ONE, which one would you want to buy?

Now if you had to buy 3 as gifts, which one would you want to buy?

The Wii wins on both counts.

Re:Nothing for you to see here. Please move along. (3, Insightful)

bsharitt (580506) | more than 6 years ago | (#21224449)

This will be no more of a blow to the Wii than the existing $129 PS2. The only real advantage it has is the price, and people who are buying it on price are already buying the PS2 over the Wii and are probably buying the GBA over the DS and PSP.

Re:Nothing for you to see here. Please move along. (1)

Lunarsight (1053230) | more than 6 years ago | (#21225549)

The original PS2 I have still works. When it dies, I'll probably switch to the WII, not the PS3. (The PS3 is just too unrealistically expensive.)

Would I consider getting the $99 PS2 console so I can still play my old games? Yeah.
In that regard, the streamlined PS2 could still win, in a matter of speaking.

Although, would it be able to challenge the WII as king of the proverbial hill? Probably not.

Re:Nothing for you to see here. Please move along. (1)

G Fab (1142219) | more than 6 years ago | (#21227949)

granted, the wii pretty much sells as many as can be made, so nothing is possibly affecting it sales negatively, but I assure you, the PS2 has reduced demand for every console out there.

If you have an SDTV, and want a lot of great games, why not the PS2? The wii is pretty neat, but it's all about the games, and nothing touches the PS2.

But if anything this is great news for Sony. They are still the king of video games. 120 million installed base. Home was supposed to be a PS2 idea (and was discussed for the PSone). If they had any brains they would incorporate the PS2 into their new innovations as much as possible. It would be great advertising for the PS3. That PS2 probably costs $50 bucks to make, and imagine the royalties Sony is getting from games. The insane thing is that the PS3 is bad enough that Sony is actually losing money on gaming. I cannot believe how much things have changed.

Re:Nothing for you to see here. Please move along. (1)

Skreems (598317) | more than 6 years ago | (#21230073)

Honestly, even if you have an HDTV the PS2 is pretty cool. Most games out in the past couple years support widescreen with progressive scan, which looks pretty damn nice on my 32".

Re:Nothing for you to see here. Please move along. (2, Interesting)

happyemoticon (543015) | more than 6 years ago | (#21224529)

Well, I don't know. I bought my first PS2 a few months ago, because 1) the system itself and all the games I wanted to play are cheap, 2) there is still far more entertainment value in the PS2's library than all of the next-generation consoles combined, 3) I have a better job, 4) I don't have an HDTV and 5) I needed a new dvd player. I can't believe what I was missing all of these years! Seems like the PS2 is still a good choice in the cheap-nostalgic-non-cutting-edge-need-a-DVD-player demographic.

Re:Nothing for you to see here. Please move along. (1)

toolie (22684) | more than 6 years ago | (#21224645)

How does your number 3 (have a better job) relate to numbers 1 (it is cheap) and 5 (need a new DVD player)?

Re:Nothing for you to see here. Please move along. (2, Interesting)

happyemoticon (543015) | more than 6 years ago | (#21224715)

I can see how you could take those statements as somewhat inconsistent. I'm pretty young. At the time the PS2 was really big I was a starving student, so any type of electronic entertainment beyond what could also be used for schoolwork was a luxury. I suppose I should add that I still try to be pretty frugal even now that I have a real job with a comfortable salary - I'll now allow myself a game system, but I went for the best perceived value.

Re:Nothing for you to see here. Please move along. (1)

toolie (22684) | more than 6 years ago | (#21225603)

That makes more sense. I never got the PS2 because I had just graduated and couldn't justify that much on a system. I just skipped that and went for the PS3 (60g for full backwards compatibility) instead. The PS3 has seen a TON more use as a surrogate PS2 instead of playing new games (at least until GH3 was released last weekend).

Re:Nothing for you to see here. Please move along. (1)

LKM (227954) | more than 6 years ago | (#21239811)

Same here. Never had a PS2 (starving student), bought a PS3, mainly use it to play all the PS2 games I've missed. While I own a few PS3 games, the only PS3 games I play semi-regularly are skate and Warhawk.

well, uh (2, Funny)

happyemoticon (543015) | more than 6 years ago | (#21228737)

Girlfriend and I were playing with a Wii at her friend's house, and she demands we get one:) I'm still happy with my decision to buy a PS2, though.

Re:Nothing for you to see here. Please move along. (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21224761)

If I had to buy one, I'd buy the PS2. The Wii doesn't have any available games that I care about (and I'm not into the Mario/Metroid/Zelda franchises).

Gifts? Well, the PS2 is quite a bit cheaper, so I guess I'd buy that too.

Re:Nothing for you to see here. Please move along. (3, Interesting)

donaldm (919619) | more than 6 years ago | (#21225511)

If you had to buy just ONE, which one would you want to buy?
Now if you had to buy 3 as gifts, which one would you want to buy
The Wii wins on both counts.
I fail to see your logic here. If a person wants a PS3, Xbox360 or a Wii then then they are going to buy on price and/or perceived entertainment value and people who buy these machines are not normally going to buy them as a present unless it is for the immediate family or themselves.

Most people looking to give a games machine as a Christmas present will find a cheap brand new (you would not give a second hand one, would you?) PS2 an excellent gift. If you are a person who is looking to buy more than one Wii as a Christmas present then you are going to pay one and half times what the new PS2 costs. In addition the games for the PS2 are relatively cheap and there is such a diversity of games that they cater for nearly all tastes, in addition the graphics are just as good as the Wii's graphics, especially if you don't have a HDTV. Actually my PS2 games as well as my Gamecube games still look good on my 37" HDTV since it smooths Standard Definition output.

Re:Nothing for you to see here. Please move along. (1)

Moridin42 (219670) | more than 6 years ago | (#21225663)

Actually, I fail to see yours. The giftee doesn't care at all about price of a console he doesn't have to pay for. He wants the console he wants. The gifter doesn't get to think "hm.. well he wanted an Xbox360 or a Wii, but I'm going to get him a PS2 because its cheaper." Well, the gifter does get to. But that won't suddenly make the giftee want a ps2. End result of that kind of decision making? A return. The decision the giver faces is whether or not to give a console, given the price of the console desired.

Price is only a real factor for deciding between consoles when more than one console will do, and that can only be determined by the end user not the gift giver.

Re:Nothing for you to see here. Please move along. (1)

aichpvee (631243) | more than 6 years ago | (#21226195)

You only think that the PS2 graphics are just as good as the Wii graphics because so many Wii games at this point are ports from PS2, or worse, PSP. Otherwise, I agree completely. PS2 is still a great system with a ton of great games, especially if you're just getting one now. It's pretty hard to beat the huge number of quality games that you can get in the $10-20 bin.

Re:Nothing for you to see here. Please move along. (1)

trolltalk.com (1108067) | more than 6 years ago | (#21227819)

The ps2 is selling here for $99. I wouldn't buy it as a present for either of my daughters ... they're not "into games." The Wii, however, looks like something they'd both enjoy. So, if the decision is between something cheap that they won't use, or something more expensive but that they will use, its really no choice.

They've already had a $30 price drop on the Wii here a couple of weeks ago, and I'm expecting it to drop anoterh $50 after the holiday season - just in time for the older one's birthday :-)

Re:Nothing for you to see here. Please move along. (1)

LKM (227954) | more than 6 years ago | (#21239825)

Yeah. The PS2 is no competition for the Wii. Neither at 130 bucks, nor at 99 bucks. While the PS2 has some "casual" games (Buzz, SingStar), it just doesn't compete with the Wii on that front. People who want a Wii aren't going to buy a PS2 just because it just got cheaper.

That doesn't meant that this won't increase PS2 sales, of course. It just won't increase them at the expense of the Wii.

To buy Wii or PS2 or both? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21251839)

I think
PS2 = PS2'games + wii'emulator + wii'games of Nintendo = playing Ocarina's Zelda Link in PS2.

Better PS2 than Wii? Better PS2 than PSP?

Next will be "stripped PS2 v17" worse than "Slimmed PS2 v16" because japaneses lost PS3's bunnissess and will want WAR!!!.

Next will be weird japasenes shopping "Stripped PS2 v17 with bad integrated Blu-Ray instead DVD", so, modern PS2 games only can be played in blu-ray PS2 ( x10 slower than PS3 ).

Re:To buy Wii or PS2 or both? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21251921)

I want PS4 = PS2 at 3.2 GHz ( x16 speed MIPS R4000 3.2 GHz instead 200 MHz ).

The PS2 games binaries will be 100% compatible in PS4 because the binaries are the same.

The old games will be x16 speedy. Arcade's Emulation will be x16 speedy.

Developing PS4/PS2 games will be a lot better than PS3 games that were bad black art.

The IBM's CELLs are very complex, evil business and uncompatible for the games "de toda la vida".

Dr. Pzarro

Re:Nothing for you to see here. Please move along. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21243027)

"in addition the graphics are just as good as the Wii's graphics, especially if you don't have a HDTV."

Some PS2 games support progressive scan through the PS2's component cables, so the graphics can be just as good as Wii games whether you have an HDTV or not.

Bull. (1)

Gothic_Walrus (692125) | more than 6 years ago | (#21224457)

The news will surely come as a blow to Sony rivals Nintendo and Microsoft, who have see sales of PS2 suffer somewhat due to the introduction of Wii and Xbox 360 in recent years. ...What? I could be wrong but I don't think that sales of a seven year old console are going to intimidate the other companies much, or damage the lead that the Xbox 360 and Wii have built up. Sure, it'll cause some increase in sales numbers but I'm not sure where the author is pulling this from.

Besides, I'd assume that Nintendo and Microsoft consider the PS3 their competition now. It's like Microsoft worrying about Nintendo DS sales - it might matter, but it's also not their primary competition.

You'd think so, but the PS2 still outsells the PS3 (1)

Fross (83754) | more than 6 years ago | (#21225225)

http://vgchartz.com/hwcomps.php?cons1=PS2&reg1=All&cons2=PS3&reg2=All&cons3=X360&reg3=All&start=39019&end=39383 [vgchartz.com]

(if you ignore the spike of the last couple of weeks)

Having said that it still outsells the 360 week by week too...

Re:You'd think so, but the PS2 still outsells the (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21232927)

I think this new 99 dollar ps2 (and the existing compact ps2s- which of course, sell a great deal) show something that only nintendo seem to have realised:
the graphics are now -good enough- for a significant majority of console gamers.

All they are doing with these graphics is having more embarassing wobbly chested female characters and incremental character model improvements that will never be convincing.
(if they ever do convince they will be as creepy as a too-realistic doll).

Sony helped create the truly mass market game and made gaming less of a "loser" thing to do- thankyou, Sony.

But they continue as if the entire market wants another graphics upgrade and then the same driving and FPS and sports games sold to them again.

It seems to me that they haven't realised that we grew up and just got plain -embarassed- with the teenage boy nonsense.

Nintendo has kept the "fun" and made a console that has a chance to get more of our friends and families interested, now that gaming isn't "loser".

Of course if HDTV means that everyone's expectations of graphics go up then maybe Sony will be right, but god I hope not. I dont want to play need for speed in higher resolution, FIFA 2020, blah, blah. Some innovation please!!!!

Re:You'd think so, but the PS2 still outsells the (1)

LKM (227954) | more than 6 years ago | (#21239837)

GP wasn't saying that the PS2 doesn't outsell the PS3. He was (I think) saying that PS2 sales simply don't matter. In two years, there will be no new PS2 games, and the people who buy a PS2 now won't matter anymore. Only the people who buy a Wii, a 360 or a PS3 will matter.

So in a way, Sony is hurting itself by pushing the PS2. Everyone who goes out and buys a PS2 right now won't go out and buy a PS3. That's money in Sony's pocket now, but at the same time, it's a lost opportunity to gain market share. All those people buying PS2s now won't help Sony's success with the PS3, and that's where Sony needs help right now.

Re:Bull. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21225875)

What lead is this of which you speak? The PS2 has sold over 120 million you fscktard!

Re:Bull. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21227903)

Wow, and all it needed was a 6 year head start.

not really a unqiue idea (1)

ILuvRamen (1026668) | more than 6 years ago | (#21224463)

With so many people selling PS2s because they bought a PS3, there have been $100 systems on down for sale for a loooong time. Since my family's poor, we're "down a tier" in consoles and bought someone's PS2 when they got the PS3 and we got it for I think under $100. So the only difference is it's brand new compared to used. Well mine works fine so I don't care either way. I think a lot of the people that wanted a PS2 already bought one used for cheaper so this isn't going to do very well.

Somehow I doubt Nintendo or MS care (4, Insightful)

Samari711 (521187) | more than 6 years ago | (#21224503)

One of the reasons PS2 is still selling at a good clip is because developers haven't completely abandoned the platform yet. Eventually games will stop coming out for it and sales of it will drop to nothing.

Re:Somehow I doubt Nintendo or MS care (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21227199)

Indeed, that's the interesting facts: 7 years after, companies are still releasing games for the PS2...

And the fact some companies are releasing the same games for the PS2 AND the Wii should put nintendo fanboys to shame

Somehow I doubt Nintendo or MS care-rebirth (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21229231)

Or maybe older consoles will be reborn as industrial and academic computers. The only thing hard for these machines are internal expandability. But custom (home brew)and commercial add-ons can fill that niche.

Maybe not soon... (1)

PhoenixOne (674466) | more than 6 years ago | (#21232029)

With 120 million sold and hundreds of skilled developers who understand how to push the PS2 to its limits, there may be some life left in the old girl. :)

Re:Maybe not soon... (1)

LKM (227954) | more than 6 years ago | (#21239871)

Sure. There are also Dreamcast games still coming out, and from time to time, a new VCS 2600 game is produced. That doesn't mean these consoles still play a role. Right now, it's DS vs PSP, and Wii vs 360 vs PS3. Every sold PS2 is money in Sony's pocket, but it's a Pyrrhic victory for Sony: The PS2 sales they make right now won't help them gain ground against the 360 or the Wii. If Sony can't move their customers to their current-gen system, they will never catch up with the 360; third-party devs will abandon their current-gen platform; and they will never be able to recoup the investments made into the PS3.

In two years, today's PS2 sales won't help Sony anymore. What they need is PS3 sales.

Re:Maybe not soon... (1)

PhoenixOne (674466) | more than 6 years ago | (#21246423)

Unlike SEGA and the Dreamcast, Sony is still serious about supporting the PS2. Right now, in Japan, PS2 hardware and games are selling better than Wii/360/PS3 games.

But you are right, in the long term game Sony must suceed with the PS3 if it is to survive 2+ years down the road. But the PS2 market will still be viable for a few years, until HDTV and PS3/360 costs come way down.

Re:Maybe not soon... (1)

catapan (1185099) | more than 6 years ago | (#21252989)

I agree with the idea of they have what to worry is with the sale of the PS3, but the PS2 is still selling very much; In my case, I am a Brazilian, in order that I buy and to maintain a PS3 it is very difficult, already the PS2 for his price and even his plays it is more viable.

Slim PS2? Dupe? (0)

Hadlock (143607) | more than 6 years ago | (#21224521)

Wasn't the slim PS2 released.. 2, 3 years ago in the US? This looks exactly like it. The article says the power supply is inside it now, instead of as a laptop power supply looking thing, but I'm skeptical.

Re:Slim PS2? Dupe? (3, Informative)

Andy Dodd (701) | more than 6 years ago | (#21225161)

The PS2 has been slimmed down multiple times.

A few years ago the original "Slim PS2" was released.

I believe a few months ago the "Slim and Light PS2" was released (with little fanfare, marketed the same as the original slim) - Same form factor as the old one, but apparently lighter. (I heard 600g instead of 900 for the unit itself, and 250 vs. 350 for the power supply).

Now they are set to release the "Super Slim PS2" which may retain the same form factor for the unit itself, but instead of having the external brick it'll have 120VAC input to an internal power supply.

Re:Slim PS2? Dupe? (1)

Leviance (1001065) | more than 6 years ago | (#21227817)

I've been debating whether to buy a PS2 or wait until they were cheaper. Being a student, I lack enough disposable income to invest in expensive hardware. This new version will likely allow me to finally play some of the exclusive games that Sony has to offer.

That said.. shouldn't Sony be focusing on trying to fix the PS3 rather than extend the life of the PS2?

Re:Slim PS2? Dupe? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21228153)

> shouldn't Sony be focusing on trying to fix the PS3 rather than extend the life of the PS2?

Perhaps you're aware that more than one person works for Sony?

Re:Slim PS2? Dupe? (1)

macshit (157376) | more than 6 years ago | (#21230085)

I've never bought a PS2, who knows, maybe I will this time.

It would be kind of nice to have a long-lived "low tech but very well supported" game system around, but it's sort of a shame it had to be the PS2 ... graphics aren't the most important thing, but the PS2's graphics were always just a little too ugly (given what developers were trying to wring out it), and the controller just a little too painful. Either the orig xbox or the gamecube would have been a far more pleasant system to see live on until old age.

Smaller units (3, Interesting)

Enderandrew (866215) | more than 6 years ago | (#21224703)

Some people are obsessed with smaller units, and will replace their existing PS2's with the smaller unit. This isn't aimed solely at people who haven't purchased a console yet. Many people with older PS2's may have experienced DVD drive failures, and a cheap, smaller replacement may appeal to them, especially since the cheaper PS3 lost backwards compatibility.

When I was in Europe, smaller appliances were all the rage.

Re:Smaller units (1)

Khaed (544779) | more than 6 years ago | (#21227919)

My PS2 failed after two years, but I'm not about to shell out $100 for another one. That's the price of two games, and I have too little time and there's enough to keep me occupied on their competitors current-gen systems that I have already. I haven't replaced my NES yet, either. (and probably won't, now that 90% of the games I liked for it are on the Wii)

However, if I did decide I wanted to play my old games, I'd certainly get the smaller version.

Re:Smaller units (1)

Enderandrew (866215) | more than 6 years ago | (#21227989)

Most people I know who have "failed" PS2 units have bad DVD drives. These often are repaired fairly easily. I'm not great with tools, and I had never worked on one before, but I opened it up, took it apart, sprayed some compressed air in it, cleaned it out, and it worked perfectly. There are also guides online telling you how to adjust the gears if need be to tweak the laser. You can also adjust the potentiometer to increase the laser strength as well, but I didn't need to do either of those things.

When the PS2 launched, DVD drives weren't horribly common, and they were still expensive. The PS2 featured an early iteration, cheap DVD drive. That is both a great strength and weakness. It meant for many people that they had their first DVD drive for playing movies, and they got it cheap, along with a great game system at the same time. It also meant high failure rates.

For what it is worth, my PS2 still works after a cleaning. The XBox DVD drive (much later tech to boot) however does not work after cleaning. If I didn't have a mod chip and a larger HDD, my XBox would be worthless.

The NES however, was NOTORIOUS for failing to read games. How often do you have to blow in your carts, or fight with the unit to get it to work?

Re:Smaller units (1)

Storlek (860226) | more than 6 years ago | (#21229877)

The NES however, was NOTORIOUS for failing to read games. How often do you have to blow in your carts, or fight with the unit to get it to work?
Ah, but in Nintendo's case, that provided nostalgia. People look back and still say they loved their NES. For a disc drive not to read a disc is just annoying, especially considering how most DVD players can still play a disc even after a sticky-fingered toddler uses it as a toy, once it's been wiped clean with a soft cloth.

Re:Smaller units (1)

Khaed (544779) | more than 6 years ago | (#21233371)

My PS2 doesn't even power up. It sat in the same spot, never falling, never taking any of the abuse my Gamecube did (shorter controller cables = Gamecube falls when person or dog walked by and tugs the thing out)... yet no go. It's not that early of a PS2. I think I got it a year or a year and a half after they came out. I've long ago stopped buying systems on launch or close to it.

The NES however, was NOTORIOUS for failing to read games. How often do you have to blow in your carts, or fight with the unit to get it to work?

I went through a total of three NES systems. The first one lasted a great long time, so the latter two were cheap eBay purchases. With two of them, that was the problem: The contacts grew to the point they failed to read the cartridge. It resulted in the flashing white screen (of death?).

Re:Smaller units (1)

LKM (227954) | more than 6 years ago | (#21239883)

The NES however, was NOTORIOUS for failing to read games. How often do you have to blow in your carts, or fight with the unit to get it to work?

Yeah, but you just take the game out and put it back in and it works. Still does on my NES. The problem didn't get worse with time. You can't just take the disc out and try again with a broken PS2.

Re:Smaller units (1)

Enderandrew (866215) | more than 6 years ago | (#21241157)

Actually both of my NES units just stopped reading games period. My PS2 still works after I cleaned it.

Just add a better video output (2, Insightful)

Gabest (852807) | more than 6 years ago | (#21224707)

dvi/vga/hdmi anything digital and it will sell like sugar.

Re:Just add a better video output (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21224749)

They could also jump on to the high-definition bandwagon and upgrade the DVD player to HD-DVD.

Re:Just add a better video output (0, Redundant)

Professor_UNIX (867045) | more than 6 years ago | (#21224937)

They could also jump on to the high-definition bandwagon and upgrade the DVD player to HD-DVD.

Shit, they just might give it away for free while they're at it or add an anti-gravity generator to the box. What the fuck are you smoking? Sony will support HD-DVD when pigs fly.

Re:Just add a better video output (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21226303)

Don't assume that. What of blueray fails?

Re:Just add a better video output (1)

squiggleslash (241428) | more than 6 years ago | (#21228347)

Sony made VHS decks. And nobody thinks Blu-ray has any long term viability any more.

Blu-ray is dying

It is now official. Nielsen has confirmed: Blu-ray is dying

One more crippling bombshell hit the already beleaguered Blu-ray community when IDC confirmed that Blu-ray market share has dropped yet again, now down to less than a fraction of 1 percent of all high definition sales. Coming on the heels of a recent Nielsen survey which plainly states that Blu-ray has lost more market share, this news serves to reinforce what we've known all along. Blu-ray is collapsing in complete disarray, as fittingly exemplified by failing dead last in the recent Best Buy comprehensive high definition test.

You don't need to be the Amazing Kreskin to predict Blu-ray's future. The hand is writing on the wall: Blu-ray faces a bleak future. In fact there won't be any future at all for Blu-ray because Blu-ray is dying. Things are looking very bad for Blu-ray. As many of us are already aware, Blu-ray continues to lose market share. Red ink flows like a river of blood.

Sony's PlayStation 3 is the most endangered of them all, having lost 93% of its core enthusiasts. The sudden and unpleasant departures of long time PlayStation developers Electronic Arts and Rockstar North only serve to underscore the point more clearly. There can no longer be any doubt: PlayStation 3 is dying.

Let's keep to the facts and look at the numbers.

Disney states that there are 7,000 owners of "Finding Nemo - Blu-ray Edition." How many buyers of "Spiderman 3" are there? Let's see. The number of Finding Nemo versus Spiderman 3 posts on Usenet is roughly in ratio of 5 to 1. Therefore there are about 7000/5 = 1400 owners of Spiderman 3 Blu-ray discs. Fantastic Four - Rise of the Silver Surfer posts on Usenet are about half of the volume of Spiderman 3 posts. Therefore there are about 700 owners of Fantastic Four Blu-ray discs. A recent article put Spiderman 2 at about 80 percent of the Blu-ray market. Therefore there are (7000+1400+700)*4 = 36400 owners of Spiderman 2 Blu-ray discs. This is consistent with the number of Spiderman 2 Usenet posts, and explained by the fact that the disc is bundled with most PlayStation 3s.

Due to the troubles of Sony, abysmal sales and so on, the original PlayStation 3 is no longer on sale and has been replaced by several successively cheaper, less desirable, versions. The PlayStation 3 is practically dead, its corpse turned over to yet another charnel house.

All major surveys show that Blu-ray has steadily declined in market share. Blu-ray is very sick and its long term survival prospects are very dim. If Blu-ray is to survive at all it will be among HD dilettante dabblers. Blu-ray continues to decay. Nothing short of a miracle could save it at this point in time. For all practical purposes, Blu-ray is dead.

(Do I need to put in the sarcasm tags? Hmmm.)

Re:Just add a better video output (1)

tyrione (134248) | more than 6 years ago | (#21239005)

Blue-Ray is not selling well due to the initial run up costs of the devices. Make them affordable and generic on PCs and you'll see it own the industry. Problem is that SONY hasn't figured out how to open it up and be comfortable with not all the spoils.

Not so good for car installs (2, Insightful)

shotgunefx (239460) | more than 6 years ago | (#21224829)

I don't get it, but a lot of people put PS2's in their cars, making the PS internal is going to make that a bit tricky.

Between modders and soccer moms, I wonder how many units they sell that end up in autos.

Re:Not so good for car installs (1)

karnal (22275) | more than 6 years ago | (#21225967)

Not the best solution, but if you have to have a power brick with the older one, you could supply the vehicle with a reasonably small (is the ps2 100 watt?) inverter and use the same smount of space, right? Either that, or if you're capable, you could replace the internal power supply with your own (as long as you're not a soccer mom or similar.)

Re:Not so good for car installs (1)

shotgunefx (239460) | more than 6 years ago | (#21226293)

An inverter would work but would make stealthy installs harder. Plus inverters usually introduce a lot of noise with amps.

I have a feeling the PS will be on the main board which would make modding a bit tricker.

Re:Not so good for car installs (1)

squiggleslash (241428) | more than 6 years ago | (#21228255)

It's bad enough people talking on their cellphones when driving, but playing Splinter Cell, or, God Help Us, Grand Theft Auto?

Truly terrifying!

Re:Not so good for car installs (1)

shotgunefx (239460) | more than 6 years ago | (#21229533)

I agree 100%, nothing added to my car that isn't functional and ergonomic for that reason.

Re:Not so good for car installs (1)

porcupine8 (816071) | more than 6 years ago | (#21236799)

Most of these are not installed for the driver (or even the front-seat passenger) to play.

You try taking a minivan full of kids on an 8-hour road trip and then tell me a video game system in the back seat wouldn't be functional.

Sweet (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21224905)

I always said when the ps2 hits $99 bucks I would buy one. I guess the video game re-sellers are going to have to drop the price of those referbs, huh?

Re:Sweet (1)

glavenoid (636808) | more than 6 years ago | (#21225031)

I think the refurbs, especially the old fat ps2 will still retain some value due to the ease of modchipping and the hdd bay. If someone with a lot of "backups" unit fails, they'll probably reach for a refurb.

de pas de mod (1)

chigun (770799) | more than 6 years ago | (#21225647)

Pretty neat, but you can't mod 'em. No HDD slot either. At least by the time it comes out the games will be even more dirt-cheap than they are now.

Yay! (1)

samael (12612) | more than 6 years ago | (#21226475)

I've been wanting one of these to play the few games that were PS2 only that I really wanted- Ico, Shadow of the Colossus, Rez and a few others. $99 is pretty much irresistible.

Not a big deal to Nintendo or Microsoft (1)

madsheep (984404) | more than 6 years ago | (#21226727)

Ok.. I don't see this having any effect what-so-ever on Nintendo or Microsoft. Hell, who really cares here? PS2? The PS2 slim is already super small, it can't get much smaller than it is now...will it really have that much value? Plus, wouldn't this hurt Sony as much as any other? You know.. spending $99 to buy a PS2 instead of $400+ for a PS3? What a waste of time and money.

Neat! (1)

seebs (15766) | more than 6 years ago | (#21227581)

Reminds me a bit of the PsOne compact units they did for a while, which eventually dropped to $50.

I see no threat at all to the Wii and 360 from this; $99 is not THAT much cheaper than $129, and at this point, Sony's just going to be picking up people who never got around to the PS2, or whose PS2s broke. I don't think this will have a significant effect on the size of the market, though; the current-gen systems are picking up steam plenty fast.

I still have my old one (1)

psychicsword (1036852) | more than 6 years ago | (#21227697)

I still have a working fully functional PS2, one of the ones that needed the extra network adapter and allowed the use of a hard drive. I will never need a new one and unless they add the hard drives back in I will never think of buy a new one.

How does this lead to a $30 price drop? (1)

CopaceticOpus (965603) | more than 6 years ago | (#21228555)

From an engineering perspective, how does moving the power supply brick into the unit make it any cheaper? The current external power converter must be pretty cheap for them to produce by the millions. They'll still have to produce one inside the unit, but now it has to be redesigned and made smaller. All the internals of the PS2 have to be shrunk down as well. Heat will more of a problem as well since the power supply gets pretty warm. Making electronics smaller is generally more expensive, at least initially.

If I had to guess, I'd say they compressed several internal components of the PS2 into a single, cheaper chip, and with the space they saved they are moving the power supply in there.

I doubt it's just the PSU change... (1)

WoTG (610710) | more than 6 years ago | (#21229303)

The brick moving internal is probably the most visible change, but I doubt that's it. I would guess that the overall power usage has shrunk, to allow the PSU to be moved internally. To reduce power usage, the chips probably aren't the same. My best guess would be a process shrink to the bigger chips, or more integration, as you suspect.

Bricks are cheap, but internal PSUs are cheaper, especially in higher volumes. It's less pieces, period. Fewer, simpler cables. One less "case". One less item to pack into a box. A slightly smaller and lighter package for shipping. Plus, I'd bet that the external bricks were outsourced, the internal PSU might be integrated into the main circuit board.

It's nickels and dimes.

Also, a $30 drop at retail, does not mean a $30 drop in hardware costs. After retailer markups, importing costs, and transportation costs, who know, you might only need a $15 change in costs -- or Sony might take a bit less profit on the hardware, and hope to make up a bit in software sales.

I'll probably get it (1)

r_jensen11 (598210) | more than 6 years ago | (#21232385)

My brother has had our family's PS2 for the past 3 or 4 years. I havn't wanted to shell out money for another PS2 because I figured I'd be getting a PS3 in the next year or so and I could play my old games on that (since I'm still attending university and will probably graduate in May, I'll hopefully have enough disposable income to get a TV and a PS3.) But since the PS3 doesn't have PS2 emulation any more, and I havn't heard a thing about PS1 emulation (yes, some people still have PS1 games), this thing looks like a great object. Plus, the psychology of a 2-digit price instead of a 3-digit price is pretty important. Dropping a price from $120 to $109 has nowhere near the effect of $110 to $99, even though they're both basically 10% drops.

will hurt ps3? (1)

john_uy (187459) | more than 6 years ago | (#21237903)

isn't reducing the price going to hurt more of ps3 sales rather than helping it? people will instead buy the ps2 and avoid buying the ps3 for the meantime because of the higher price. but then again, it may also be good because it is also possibly hurting the sales of wii and xbox as well.

the price reduction for ps3 is a good move as well. removing the compatibility probably will not make a big different because people who will buy ps3 will highly have a ps2 already.

stop it, Sony... just stop it. (1)

captain_cthulhu (996356) | more than 6 years ago | (#21241779)

oooh!! Sony drops the price of the PS2 a whole $29!!!

that's about the same price that the PS2 chip costs when put into the PS3 - according to Joystiq's research

Gee Sony, button up your shirt, your heart's falling out.

Re:stop it, Sony... just stop it. (1)

Woooopa (603099) | more than 6 years ago | (#21283101)

This offering is confirmation that Sony is scrapping for every dollar from any piece of hardware they can get put on the shelves. Why don't they bring the PS1 back??? Being that not enough people are buying their inflated (expectations and price) PS3, this is Sony's solution to loosing their collective shirts. Bow before the XBOX360!!!
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