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Hans Reiser Interview on ABC's 20/20

CmdrTaco posted more than 6 years ago | from the murder-makes-linux-mainstream dept.

The Courts 482

baegucb_18706 noted that ABCs 20/20 has a lengthy article on the saga of the Hans Reiser murder trial. I'm not sure if this article provided any information that you might not have known if you read the earlier wired interview, but it's still a really strange story.

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482 comments

Hans did WTC (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21231357)

Together with Jews!

I see! (5, Funny)

gowen (141411) | more than 6 years ago | (#21231377)

Interviewing Hans Reiser about the Hans Resier murder, eh? Clever.
How about interviewing Harry Buttle about that known terrorist Harry Tuttle?

Re:I see! (2, Insightful)

doom (14564) | more than 6 years ago | (#21231893)

gowen wrote:

Interviewing Hans Reiser about the Hans Resier murder, eh? Clever.

Actually, that's what they've got here that's new. Previously we haven't had Hans Reiser's side of the story, just the case the police were making against him in the media. And I have to say, it's nice to see a story that more-or-less takes Reiser's side on this, everyone else seems anxious to convict him before the trial... including "Wired", slashdot, etc.

By the way: How would you feel if you were on a jury and found out later, after the trial was over, that the judge had decided not to worry your head with a minor little detail like the fact that one of the people in the story was a confessed serial killer?

Anyway, I'm typing this up on a machine running Reiser FS, which is a really nice file system, and it remains so irrespective of whatever did happen to Reiser's wife. I hope the guys at NameSys succeed in keeping the work going, with or without Hans.

Re:I see! (4, Funny)

liquidpele (663430) | more than 6 years ago | (#21232105)

Hans should use the perfect defense!

Ladies and gentlemen of this supposed jury, Reiser's attorney would certainly want you to believe that his client is innocent. And they make a good case. Hell, I almost felt pity myself! But, ladies and gentlemen of this supposed jury, I have one final thing I want you to consider. Ladies and gentlemen, this is Chewbacca. Chewbacca is a Wookiee from the planet Kashyyyk. But Chewbacca lives on the planet Endor. Now think about it; that does not make sense!

Why would a Wookiee, an eight-foot tall Wookiee, want to live on Endor, with a bunch of two-foot tall Ewoks? That does not make sense! But more important, you have to ask yourself: What does this have to do with this case? Nothing. Ladies and gentlemen, it has nothing to do with this case! It does not make sense! Look at me. I'm a lawyer defending a major record company, and I'm talkin' about Chewbacca! Does that make sense? Ladies and gentlemen, I am not making any sense! None of this makes sense! And so you have to remember, when you're in that jury room deliberatin' and conjugatin' the Emancipation Proclamation, [approaches and softens] does it make sense? No! Ladies and gentlemen of this supposed jury, it does not make sense! If Chewbacca lives on Endor, you must acquit! The defense rests.

Re:I see! (1)

Bazman (4849) | more than 6 years ago | (#21232223)

I think the allegation against Reiser is a bit more than a spot of rogue plumbing...

[I'm only writing this so that you can see that at least ONE person laughed at the reference!]

Good way to screw up your life Reiser (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21231387)

If he is guilty, and it sounds like he is, he just null and voided anything good he has ever done. Way to go dip-shit.

If Einstein murdered his wife, he would be a murderer, not a genius.

Re:Good way to screw up your life Reiser (2, Interesting)

FunkyELF (609131) | more than 6 years ago | (#21231423)

Alan Turing murdered himself (or perhaps he was poisoned).

Is he known as a murderer or the father of computer science?...I forget.

Re:Good way to screw up your life Reiser (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21231483)

You can't murder yourself, you commit suicide. Suicide, while deplorable, is not on the same level as murder.

Def: Murder - noun. The unlawful killing of one human by another, especially with premeditated malice.

I agree with the coward.

suicide is murder (0, Offtopic)

acidrain (35064) | more than 6 years ago | (#21231853)

way off topic here, but at least in canada, when you try and commit suicide that is considered attempted murder. of course trying to kill yourself is crazy so you also have an automatic insanity defence.

Re:suicide is murder (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21231935)

of course trying to kill yourself is crazy so you also have an automatic insanity defence.

Sometimes killing yourself is the rational thing to do, not that you'll ever see a bible thumper admit it out loud except when they get to be publicly flaming hypocrites and tell everyone how various criminals should do the world a favor and just kill themselves.

Re:suicide is murder (1)

G Fab (1142219) | more than 6 years ago | (#21232225)

We're not talking about laws. We're talking about morality. Sure, for insurance purposes and others, it's good for the laws to disincentivize suicide. But it ain't as bad as murder, and if that's not self evident to someone, that person is psychotic (seriously, they would have to be mentally ill).

You own yourself. You don't own other people. Therefore, whatever is wrong with ending your own life is totally different from destroying someone else.

Turing is a genius, and often geniuses are tortured. And probably suffering from an illness. It's even possible to say Turin did not kill himself, but rather died of insanity. That is why he is still loved.

Reiser (if this story is true) is a bastard.

Re:Good way to screw up your life Reiser (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21232277)

Suicide, while deplorable...
Freedom is based on ownership of your own body and mind. You get to define what your life means to you, and no-one else. To state that suicide is deplorable is to deny an immediate consequence of the most basic principle of freedom.

Suicide is usually distressing for family and friends. It is sometimes the result of mental illness. But it is not "deplorable".

Re:Good way to screw up your life Reiser (5, Insightful)

phaunt (1079975) | more than 6 years ago | (#21231485)

If Einstein murdered his wife, he would be a murderer, not a genius.
He would have been both a murderer and a genius. Maybe you meant he would have been remembered today as a murderer only, but I very much doubt that.

Re:Good way to screw up your life Reiser (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21231697)

He should actually be remembered as a fraud who stole the work of real scientists that he passed off as his own.

Re:Good way to screw up your life Reiser (2, Funny)

maop (309499) | more than 6 years ago | (#21231859)

I know. Meg Ryan was the real genius.

She's in Russia (4, Interesting)

FunkyELF (609131) | more than 6 years ago | (#21231397)

She hated him. She staged it and went back to Russia. Aren't their kids over there now? Go interrogate her parents...she can't be too far from them.

Re:She's in Russia (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21231495)

So where is mom?

Re:She's in Russia (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21231575)

In Soviet Russia!

Re:She's in Russia (3, Funny)

stonedcat (80201) | more than 6 years ago | (#21231621)

In Soviet Russia, not really dead woman hunts for you!

Re:She's in Russia (1)

kasperd (592156) | more than 6 years ago | (#21231519)

That is one theory. Is that theory more or less likely to be true than the theory that Hans murdered her? I don't know. There is evidence pointing in each direction. If she is alive, Russia must be the most likely place for her to be right now.

But is the police in Russia actually going to look for her? And if she is there, did she do anything criminal by not letting the world know that she is alive?

Re:She's in Russia (4, Interesting)

porkThreeWays (895269) | more than 6 years ago | (#21231573)

The direct physical evidence against Reiser is limited, but police have built a detailed circumstantial case.
In this day and age I didn't know you could take a murder to trial purely on circumstance. I'll admit it's extremely weird, but do they actually think they can convict him beyond a reasonable doubt in this day and age with no direct evidence? It almost seems irresponsible to try otherwise. No body. No DNA. No weapons of any sort found. Basically they have more evidence for Jimmy Hoffa's murder than they do this one. Heck, good luck proving she was actually murdered!

Re:She's in Russia (4, Informative)

liquidpele (663430) | more than 6 years ago | (#21231711)

They've convicted someone recently with only a shit-load of circumstantial evidence
Scott Peterson [wikipedia.org]

However, bear in mind that a huge percentage of people in jail (later freed due to dna testing clearing them) got there because of a witness who mis-identified them. The reality is that eye-witnesses are typically more unreliable than lots of circumstantial evidence, although juries do not usually see it that way.

Re:She's in Russia (3, Informative)

DustyShadow (691635) | more than 6 years ago | (#21231971)

At least they had a body in the Peterson case.

Re:She's in Russia (3, Insightful)

liquidpele (663430) | more than 6 years ago | (#21232045)

True. Imho, Reiser won't get convicted unless they find some physical evidence because from the facts currently presented to us no reasonable person would say he's guilty without any reasonable doubt. The chances of her being in Russia are just plain reasonable. However, as we all know unreasonable people end up on juries an unreasonable percentage of the time, so if they decide Reiser is probably guilty because he's weird as all hell, then he'll be F'd.

Re:She's in Russia (1)

EvilRyry (1025309) | more than 6 years ago | (#21232169)

It's like my old boss always used to tell me when he was pissed at someone (including myself), "It's hard to prove that someone's dead without a body"

Re:She's in Russia (1)

lankyvaulter (1158987) | more than 6 years ago | (#21231789)

DNA evidence actually is technically circumstantial evidence. Testimony of eye-witnesses is direct evidence. Personally given how bad witnesses can be I trust circumstantial cases more than cases based on witness testimony.

Re:She's in Russia (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21231703)

Read the article. She left him taking the kids shortly after she got her citizenship.

Re:She's in Russia (1)

yoprst (944706) | more than 6 years ago | (#21232185)

But is the police in Russia actually going to look for her?
No, unless you bribe them.

.. In Soviet Russian they find you. (1)

Mickluha McLay (1176799) | more than 6 years ago | (#21231557)

Can't hide over there. In the land ruled by KGB. Its either Hans, Sturgeon, or a some crazy rapist. Happens all the time: this is a big county. A disadvantage of being a pretty girl walking the street in a land with no burka laws, high crime rate, and fat ugly girls.

Re:.. In Soviet Russian they find you. (1)

jav1231 (539129) | more than 6 years ago | (#21231585)

I'm confused are you suggesting women wear burkas to help prevent rapes?

Re:.. In Soviet Russian they find you. (1)

Mickluha McLay (1176799) | more than 6 years ago | (#21231973)

Depends on the bay area location: in SF wearing a burka one can be a drag queen; in Berkley, a ugly old fat chics prepared to undress to support hamas. In Germany, wearing a burka can be an opportunity for a band to become successfull: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zCzWwIsMR4 [youtube.com]

Re:.. In Soviet Russian they find you. (1)

vertinox (846076) | more than 6 years ago | (#21231881)

Can't hide over there. In the land ruled by KGB.

Russia a pretty big place.
If you had connections, you could hide out east in a Siberian Oblast and no one would be the wiser.
Then again, your connections would need to have a reason for hiding you but money could always be that reason.

Re:.. In Soviet Russian they find you. (1)

yoprst (944706) | more than 6 years ago | (#21232291)

Can't hide over there
Nowdays KGB is ruthless, corrupt, barely competent and have absolutely no respect for the law. If she's got someone with some serious money (or better with money and brains) to care about her, she can hide for as long as she likes. Provided that she's really in Russia, which I find really doubtful. It's kind of hard to slip to the other side of the globe unnoticed, especialy when there's no overland route

Re:She's in Russia (3, Interesting)

imsabbel (611519) | more than 6 years ago | (#21231581)

Of course she also removed his car-seat, and put that "how to dispose a body" book into his stuff, too...

Re:She's in Russia (4, Informative)

Serge_Tomiko (1178965) | more than 6 years ago | (#21231677)

1) As the article says, he was living out of his car. Strange, but not unheard of - especially for someone who likely has few friends and is of limited financial means. 2) He didn't have a book on how to dispose a body, he had a book on murder investigations. As he was the target of one and didn't have a lot of money, this seems pretty reasonable. I'd probably do the same thing.

Is that pic caption right? (2, Informative)

bl8n8r (649187) | more than 6 years ago | (#21231405)

"Hans Reiser, left, and his attorney, William Dubois"

I think the pic caption is wrong - isn't that Hans on the right side?

Re:Is that pic caption right? (1)

kasperd (592156) | more than 6 years ago | (#21231457)

isn't that Hans on the right side?
It looks like him. It certainly ain't Hans on the left.

Re:Is that pic caption right? (5, Funny)

should_be_linear (779431) | more than 6 years ago | (#21231469)

I think the pic caption is wrong - isn't that Hans on the right side?

Who knows, only Reiser certainly knows for sure. Mysteries just keep adding up in this strange story.

Re:Is that pic caption right? (1)

Skater (41976) | more than 6 years ago | (#21231473)

I hope so, because if I were Reiser, I certainly wouldn't want my lawyer to have that expression on his face. (For those who haven't clicked on the article, it's a hand-to-the-forehead "I'm screwed and I can't believe this" expression.)

Re:Is that pic caption right? (1)

virgil_disgr4ce (909068) | more than 6 years ago | (#21231767)

Haha, I know, that's exactly what I thought when I saw the pic.

Re:Is that pic caption right? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21231613)

Yes, the caption is wrong, or at least misleading (maybe the writer meant to say "Hans Reiser, leftmost person as viewed by a theoretical observer standing behind the two men,..."

Anyways, based on previous pictures of Hans, it's clearly the guy on the right:
http://geekz.co.uk/blog/wp-content/uploads/2007/03/hans-reiser.jpg [geekz.co.uk]
http://www.documentandolavida.com.ar/wp-content/uploads/hans-reiser-2006-10-10.jpg [documentan...ida.com.ar]
http://scitalks.com/thumbnail/Picture%20855.jpg [scitalks.com]

Re:Is that pic caption right? (1)

Acid-Duck (228035) | more than 6 years ago | (#21231913)

If it was the attorney on the right hand side and I'd be Hans, I'd be pretty worried and probably thinking about getting a new attorney

Take the conviction and... (1, Funny)

BadHaggis (1179673) | more than 6 years ago | (#21231413)

Obviously he should take the conviction, server two years, escape and live a long happy life in middle America after changing his name and ssn. That should give him a good 30 years or so to prove he is a productive citizen.

Re:Take the conviction and... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21231443)

Obviously he should take the conviction, server two years...
Server? Something tells me he'll be a receiver as the new guy...

ba dum dum cha!

Linux dev = murders (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21231437)

This is the moral of Linux, murders, thieves, commies.... Thanks god for the MAC

Well... Let's admit it... (1)

mynickwastaken (690966) | more than 6 years ago | (#21231441)

Is Soviet Russia. Russian Bride kills you

Re:Well... Let's admit it... (0, Troll)

skoaldipper (752281) | more than 6 years ago | (#21231607)

When the police attempted to question him, Reiser tried to evade them, once even jumping out of his car and running for blocks.
I saw Hans on a recent episode of Cops 2.0.

Once several police officers finally pounced upon him, he shrieked back, "Don't taze me, comrade!"

late (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21231497)

It was on like 2 nights ago ... late nite abc...

Creepy (0, Troll)

Falstius (963333) | more than 6 years ago | (#21231507)

I realize it has no real bearing on the man's guilt or innocence, but that man is seriously creepy. Did they have him on doped to the eyeballs? I had it mute the sound when he read the poem to his kid or I would have had nightmares.

Renaissance man, indeed. (3, Insightful)

bryanp (160522) | more than 6 years ago | (#21231525)

Reiser, whose work kept him overseas in Russia for months at a time, wanted more children and did not want Nina returning to work as a doctor.

"I ran the business and I expected my wife to take care of the kids," he said.


Wow. Wotta guy. Let's see, I want to marry an intelligent, highly educated doctor and then turn her into a brood mare who stays in the kitchen making cookies. Yeah, that'll work.

Re:Renaissance man, indeed. (1)

ScrewMaster (602015) | more than 6 years ago | (#21231571)

I dunno. Honestly, if I could find an intelligent, highly educated doctor who would take care of her practice and leave me home to cruise Slashdot (ahem!) raise the kids ... I'd marry her in a split femtosecond.

But, yeah. If a woman decides that her career choice is one of raising a family, that's one thing. If she already has a career, one which took her many years of schooling to achieve and which her husband wants her to just forget about ... well. I can see where the conflict came in.

Reiser always did seem to think very highly of himself, though, even before the murder charges.

Re:Renaissance man, indeed. (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21231609)

>Let's see, I want to marry an intelligent, highly educated doctor and then turn her into a brood mare who stays in the kitchen making cookies. Yeah, that'll work.

Or, just maybe she likes to spend her time with her children. And, again, just maybe that's what attracted Hans to her? That she said "I want to have children and stay at home and raise them"? You might think there's no women out there like that.

I happen to know different, I'm marrying one. Partly for that reason. In my opinion, it's rare for a maladjusted child to come from a home where the father works, and the mother cares for the children, but it's common for maladjusted children to be latch key kids with both parents working 2 jobs.

But, hey, you can insult women who want to devote their lives to their children all you like. And I could call you a feminazi supporter. But I won't, because I'd like to think I'm above that.

Re:Renaissance man, indeed. (4, Insightful)

bryanp (160522) | more than 6 years ago | (#21231719)

Actually I was insulting a man who marries a woman and tries to force her to stay home with the kids when that wasn't what she wanted to do. But then you might have know that if you'd RTFA.

I have no problems with one parent staying home. I know several people who do that. Two families I'm thinking of the wife is the breadwinner and the husband is the stay-at-home dad.

OT: two job familes bad? (4, Insightful)

doom (14564) | more than 6 years ago | (#21231957)

Partly for that reason. In my opinion, it's rare for a maladjusted child to come from a home where the father works, and the mother cares for the children, but it's common for maladjusted children to be latch key kids with both parents working 2 jobs.

Do you have stats to back that up, or are you living your life based on what you've seen on television?

Re:Renaissance man, indeed. (2, Insightful)

G Fab (1142219) | more than 6 years ago | (#21232287)

Pal, it's cool that most women want a family and are willing to sacrifice for it, but it's up to the chick to do that on her own.

This is the opposite case, where the woman wanted to have a nice profession herself, obviously worked her ass off to earn one, and then was forced out to serve her lord husband's interest.

Note: your girl might change her mind. PEople get married young, hoping to have kids, and the girl will do ANYTHING for that family ideal. A few years of college can make her more interested in saving the world or something. When your girl considers that option (and if she doesn't even consider it, she's a moron), are you going to tell her to stick with the original deal? It's hard not to. I know. I wanted my wife to raise the kids so I could take my career whereve I wanted. It's hard, but ultimately, it's about sharing the burdens and choices equally. And if she's willing to sacrifice hers for yours, then she better get something valuable out of the deal (raising kids and changing daipers is not what I have in mind).

Re:Renaissance man, indeed. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21231645)

Did you see the 20/20 piece with the video of him cavorting around in a speed-o?


That was choice.

Re:Renaissance man, indeed. (0)

GreatBunzinni (642500) | more than 6 years ago | (#21231797)

Wow. Wotta guy. Claiming that stay-at-home moms are "blood mares". You, sir, are an idiot.

Re:Renaissance man, indeed. (0, Flamebait)

imsabbel (611519) | more than 6 years ago | (#21231849)

No, you asshole (sir is to good for you) are an idiot.

No body (4, Insightful)

hey (83763) | more than 6 years ago | (#21231529)

In a reasonable system there is no way somebody can be convicted of murder without a body.

Re:No body (2, Insightful)

schnikies79 (788746) | more than 6 years ago | (#21231561)

No, that would just make an unreasonable system where anyone with the skill to properly dispose or hide the body would never be found guilty.

Re:No body (1)

ScrewMaster (602015) | more than 6 years ago | (#21231601)

Besides, circumstantial evidence has always been used to convict. It's more difficult from a prosecutorial perspective, of course, but it's still a viable way to get a conviction. "Reasonable doubt" doesn't mean they have to find you standing over a dead body with a smoking gun in your hands (hey, I watch CSI.)

Re:No body (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21231615)

So if I murder someone with acid, that's okay?

Re:No body (4, Interesting)

Ossifer (703813) | more than 6 years ago | (#21231643)

The problem for the prosecution is that in the absence of any real evidence suggesting murder (pool of blood, scene of an altercation, etc.), any conceivable theory by the defense trumps a murder story.

The cops/prosecution decided Reiser must be guilty since he's really weird, despite no real evidence that a crime was committed at all. Having followed the case locally (from across the bay), I and many others were surprised the case even passed basic plausibility by the judge holding the preliminary hearing.

The reality is, in fact, that she may very well be alive and well in Russia...

Re:No body (1)

doom (14564) | more than 6 years ago | (#21231995)

The cops/prosecution decided Reiser must be guilty since he's really weird, despite no real evidence that a crime was committed at all. Having followed the case locally (from across the bay), I and many others were surprised the case even passed basic plausibility by the judge holding the preliminary hearing.

One of the Great Mysteries in the case is the behavior of the police. Do they always try to convict people in the media when they know that they don't have any evidence that's worth a damn? Isn't that like, unethical, or something?

Re:No body (1)

ewieling (90662) | more than 6 years ago | (#21232325)

I don't know about convicting them in the media, but I do know that DAs in the USA can be real scum. One of my former clients is a law firm that provides legal defense for poor people on death row. They discovered (and proved) that the police and DA knew the accused could not have committed the murder because he was caught on a security camera miles away. He could not have physically been present near the time of the victim's death. They hid the evidence and continued to try the case. The accused had an extensive criminal record. I guess the DA figured the accused was guilty of something, even if it was not the crime he was accused of. A few months after this their state funding was cut by 50%. I am pro death penalty but provided technical consulting services to them at a discount. Why? Because EVERYONE deserves the best defense they can get -- especially ones facing the death penalty.

Re:No body (1)

kithrup (778358) | more than 6 years ago | (#21232149)

They don't have a body; they do have evidence of a crime.

What has been disclosed to the media so far -- and that doesn't need to be all of the evidence, mind you -- includes her car, with groceries still in it, left abandoned somewhere, in a bit of disarray; a statement (by a child, who later recanted, and then disappeared) that Hans and Nina argued on the last day anyone saw her alive; and drops of her blood in the house, and in his car.

It's not a lot of evidence, and it's very circumstantial, and some of it is easily refutable... but it is evidence.

We watched the show. Before, I thought he was probably innocent, and she thought he was probably guilty. After watching it, we've each changed our minds. (Although I think it more likely he paid someone to get rid of her.)

I'm very glad I am not involved in the case in any way.

Re:No body (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21231669)

Yea, so even if someone kills the president on live tv with thousands of eye vitnesses, he gets off without conviction if he manages to destroy the body.

"reasonable"

Re:No body (1)

linuxci (3530) | more than 6 years ago | (#21231983)

Yea, so even if someone kills the president on live tv with thousands of eye vitnesses, he gets off without conviction if he manages to destroy the body.

"reasonable"
Yeah, if it's Bush :)

Re:No body...yet (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21231773)

Who ever implied that the justice system in the United States is "reasonable"? Where do YOU live?

Re:No body (1)

ari_j (90255) | more than 6 years ago | (#21231833)

In a reasonable system there is no way somebody can be convicted of murder without a body.

I'd like you to take a moment to think about that, and then try again.

He couldn't get a hotel room? (1)

iknownuttin (1099999) | more than 6 years ago | (#21231543)

"And so he finds himself living in his car. Which, for him, seemed the logical thing to do under the circumstances." When Reiser was picked up for DNA testing, he was carrying his passport and nearly $9,000 in cash.

Yeah, right, he had to live out of his car. He's supposed to be a genius? I guess just in math: not a criminal one.

Re:He couldn't get a hotel room? (3, Interesting)

Wonko the Sane (25252) | more than 6 years ago | (#21231715)

For several years prior to his wife's disappearance, he's been very strapped for money. He basically bankrupted himself to keep paying the russian programmers who were working on the reiser4 file system. His wife or friend may or may not have been involved in his money problems.

Re:He couldn't get a hotel room? (3, Insightful)

JWSmythe (446288) | more than 6 years ago | (#21232021)

I've carried large sums of cash and my passport. Does that make me a murderer on the run?

    It's completely circumstantial evidence.

    But, if you put enough pieces together, circumstantial evidence can be damning in front of a jury, regardless if the truth is there or not.

    From what I've seen, there are several ways it could have gone.

    1) He killed her (the presumption of law enforcement)
    2) Her new boyfriend, the drug and kinky sex fiend, killed her.
    3) She's a sex slave, living in a crack house somewhere in the less friendly neighborhoods of any major US city.
    4) She left town, and is living somewhere else in America or Canada.
    5) She left the country, possibly for Russia.

    As someone else said, they don't believe she could be in Russia. Any country with enough land and population, provides a place for anyone to hide comfortably, even in plain site. She could be working as a doctor, using her own name, with enough clients to be very comfortable, and still no one would notice.

    I don't know all the facts, just the ones that have been presented in the media and in interviews. I'm not following closely though. I just know, none of us have all the evidence at our disposal, so none of us can make really educated opinions on it.

    For all we know, it was some one-off killing, where some random lunatic saw a crying woman in a parking lot, killed her, drove her 1000 miles away, and buried her in a shallow grave. Heck, we've all done that once or twice. (j/k)

Re:He couldn't get a hotel room? (1)

doom (14564) | more than 6 years ago | (#21232133)

And so he finds himself living in his car. Which, for him, seemed the logical thing to do under the circumstances." When Reiser was picked up for DNA testing, he was carrying his passport and nearly $9,000 in cash.

Yeah, right, he had to live out of his car. He's supposed to be a genius? I guess just in math: not a criminal one.

Their explanation is that this was money for some sort of business payments in Russia -- either, payroll or possibly, some sort of bribes (things are weird in Russia). I know teenagers have a hard time grasping things like this, but $9000 isn't really a lot of money, however weird it is to carry it around with you.

You want a real example of a genius doing something stupid: what was he doing trying to do business in Russia? He doesn't speak the language: note that Nina was brought in as a translator (speaking of which, if she's supposed to be a hotshot doctor from a rich family, what's she doing working as a translator?). And trying to use a Russian dating service is mildly crazy in itself -- Russian mail-order bride scams abound on the internet at the moment, by the way, and I doubt it's much better doing face-to-face meetings on the ground.

Re:He couldn't get a hotel room? (1)

AvitarX (172628) | more than 6 years ago | (#21232301)

"by the way, and I doubt it's much better doing face-to-face meetings on the ground."

I'm willing to bet Hans agrees with you on that.

Soo... (4, Interesting)

DustyShadow (691635) | more than 6 years ago | (#21231631)

So Reiser's best friend had sex with Reiser's wife, confessed to the cops that he is a serial killer, but conveniently says he didn't kill Nina...and yet the cops don't arrest him. Sounds like we got the smart ones on that force.

Re:Soo... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21231663)

The friend sounds a little bit insane...
If his claims don't pan out (I'm sure the cops did follow up on them - at least for previous murder's not related to Nina) then they would think he is just full of shit and a bit crazy (in the literal sense). Although imho the cops should be focusing on both, not just Reiser - but that's what cops do. They focus on one subject at a time, which I think just shows cops are lazy assholes.

Re:Soo... (4, Interesting)

Martin Blank (154261) | more than 6 years ago | (#21231985)

Police frequently focus on more than one subject at a time. There have also been cases where they will stop public focus on one suspect while monitoring him for changes in behavior. This doesn't mean that they've ruled out whomever they're publicly talking about, but if the pressure is removed from one that is deemed more likely, then that person may slip up. Details of ongoing investigations are often not public records, so we won't know until after any trial is finished.

Re:Soo... (1)

kithrup (778358) | more than 6 years ago | (#21232187)

The implication by the narrator was that the "confessions" so lacked credence that the cops don't feel a need to do anything. (For example, if they checked on one of the alleged victims, and found that he's still alive -- or died in a different manner than the wannabe-killer described -- then he's just a nut.)

Don't get me wrong -- I read about the confessions when Wired reported it, and thought it would be immediate reasonable doubt. But this show pointed out that the judge has barred them being mentioned during trial. (Which, depending on the reliability of the guy, may end up being grounds for an appeal.)

Read the comments... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21231679)

Read the comments on the article page, it's disgusting.

The dudes in never never land (1)

NetNinja (469346) | more than 6 years ago | (#21231745)

Have you seen the pre-interview? The guy seems to be on a permamnet mushroom trip.

As for marrying a Russian woman, I can say one thing about them, they know how to make money.
They aren't meak I'll tell you that.

If you are a weak man they are going to leave your ass.

Re:The dudes in never never land (1)

Ant P. (974313) | more than 6 years ago | (#21232179)

Have you seen the pre-interview? The guy seems to be on a permamnet mushroom trip.
Or maybe, you know, the stress of being accused of murdering his significant other is having an effect on him?

Attractive women often think rules are for others. (0, Offtopic)

Futurepower(R) (558542) | more than 6 years ago | (#21231751)

Hans Rieser's explanation is at least plausible. Very attractive women often begin to believe that no rules apply to them.

Another question: What are the merits of the Rieser file system?

Correction and link (1)

Futurepower(R) (558542) | more than 6 years ago | (#21231803)

Error: It is Reiser, not Rieser.

Reiser File System [wikipedia.org] .

Note that the Slashdot story misspells Reiser's name.

Weird: (1)

Futurepower(R) (558542) | more than 6 years ago | (#21231877)

Quote from the 20/20 story:

"Sturgeon won't talk publicly until after the trial, but after Nina's disappearance he made a bold confession to police, so outrageous that the judge won't allow it to be mentioned in court. He claims to be a serial killer, but said he is not responsible for Nina's death."

Doctor and translator? (1)

fast penguin (910736) | more than 6 years ago | (#21231807)

A dating service arranged a meeting at a café in St. Petersburg, but Reiser didn't fall for his date -- he liked the woman who came along to translate.

I don't get it. She has a medical degree and works as a translator for a dating service?? Are there so many medics in Russia and so few people that speak English that it actually pays better to work as a translator?? The all story smells fishy...

Things don't add up on both sides of this story... (2, Insightful)

inject_hotmail.com (843637) | more than 6 years ago | (#21231865)

I RTFA: This just doesn't add up. Why did the children get sent to Russia?!? I assume that Hans is capable of taking care of them, how did the kid's grand parents get custody of their natural father is still alive and kicking? The kids were growing up here and how they were transplanted to a culture remarkably different?

I don't believe that Hans showing up at the school to see the kids and give them a telephone number is 'suspect'..like come on. Did Nina orchestrate these events? Or was Hans so upset about her decision for divorce once she became a US citizen, and that she screwed his best friend, that he had to kill her?

Seems to me like Nina took off for the homeland, and has her kids there too. Hans is left holding the bag...

Now I probably won't get updates for my ReiserFS....damnit.

Re:Things don't add up on both sides of this story (1)

fwr (69372) | more than 6 years ago | (#21232009)

It's kind of hard to give the natural father custody of the kids if said father is in custody himself.

Re:Things don't add up on both sides of this story (1)

doom (14564) | more than 6 years ago | (#21232273)

Now I probably won't get updates for my ReiserFS....damnit.

Don't give up too quickly. Last I heard NameSys still had programmers working on both ReiserFS 3 and 4. And even if NameSys goes under, it's at least possible that some other people will step in and pick up the ball on ReiserFS 4, which despite the competition for "mindshare" in file systems, sounds like it's got some technically neat features...

(And I hate to kick Hans when he's down, but all accounts agree he's not the easiest guy in the world to get along with. ReiserFS 4 might gain some wider acceptance if there's someone at the helm who can talk to the kernel developers without pissing them off.)

Death Penalty! (-1, Troll)

tjstork (137384) | more than 6 years ago | (#21231941)


I think it is a pretty clear cut case that Reiser is guilty. By his own admission, Reiser was a very controlling husband who dominated his wife. In all of his interviews, he doesn't even seem to grasp the sacrifices that he asked his wife to make. She's a non-person to him. He trashed her career so he could work on his, would disappear for months at a time in Russia, and then, by other witnesses, often screamed at her over the phone. No wonder she slept his with his best friend. Thus, you already have all the patterns of domestic abuse in place - and for that, there is overwhelming statistical evidence that predicts Reiser would in fact kill his wife.

I'm sure its easy to believe that Reiser's just "a little weird" and being persecuted, but what you have here is a control freak in his software, and ultimately, a control freak in his personal life, and when his wife slept with someone else, he flipped out and killed her.

His story doesn't add up at all. I've had to live in my car, but I've never been in a situation where I felt like I needed to remove the passenger seat. And, if I had $9000 in cash, I would think I would at least find myself a room. Usually, people with $9000 in cash can put together a place to stay. Even in the USA, Reiser could have rented a room for like $200-$300 a month, an apartment for $500-$600, if he was looking on the cheap. Finally, the most convenient way to put money in the hands of a Russian programmer is electronically.

Reiser killed Nina in the car, and cleaned it out thoroughly, which explains why it was wet, except for the seat she was sitting in, which had to be removed. The seat is probably with the body, most likely. The $9000 in cash and passport were to allow him to leave the country and go to Russia, and the reason he ran from the cops, to begin with, is that he knew that he did it.

REISER, wife abusing bastard who is guilty of first degree premeditated murder, and I'd say, that's a capital offense. Hell of a file system he made, but, he still ultimately must wind up on death row.

I'd have no problem signing the warrant myself.

Re:Death Penalty! (2, Funny)

Eternauta3k (680157) | more than 6 years ago | (#21232041)

Finally, the most convenient way to put money in the hands of a Russian programmer is electronically.
Well, it's the best way, but some russians are kinda ass-backwards when it comes to that.

Re:Death Penalty! (3, Insightful)

Martin Blank (154261) | more than 6 years ago | (#21232047)

This kind of thought is the reason that we have the system that we do. Just because someone is a complete and utter dick doesn't mean that they're guilty of murder. Controlling? Probably. Abusive? Perhaps. But there are a lot of controlling, abusive dicks that don't murder their wives. There's evidence against him, but it has to go through a court first. I was saying this to others in the Scott Peterson case, too, and it's important that it not just be a formality.

Re:Death Penalty! (0, Troll)

tjstork (137384) | more than 6 years ago | (#21232127)

his kind of thought is the reason that we have the system that we do. Just because someone is a complete and utter dick doesn't mean that they're guilty of murder.

You need to educate yourself on this issue. We have this system the way we do because it is true. Dicks that abuse their wives are statistically likely to kill them. In fact, there's a better correlation for that than there is for linking manmade CO2 to global warming. Just look at it logically. If you so little regard the mother of your children that you beat her and ruin her life when she's trying to help you, why wouldn't you kill her if you think she actually betrayed her. It's total sociopathic logic - good == beating, bad == kill. Nina was bad, and so he killed her.

Even look at his whole defense argument - Nina was bad, Nina was bad... not one shred of remorse or loss for her. And really, honestly, you could probably make an argument that even if he wasn't even 90% guilty, he's just such a dick that he should be executed. The guy treated his whole family like shit, and his much hyped file system wasn't even all that original to begin with. PICK was doing his stuff way before he even thought of it.

Re:Death Penalty! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21232255)

You need to educate yourself on this issue. We have this system the way we do because it is true. Dicks that abuse their wives are statistically likely to kill them.
No, the statistics show that domestic abuse is shockingly common - and they also show that (thankfully) murder is not. Ergo, you're wrong. If it was "statistically likely" that domestic abusers killed their spouses, there'd be a lot more dead spouses out there. Bah, you're probably a troll anyway. You've replied at the top-level with 2 posts that say essentially the same thing.

Re:Death Penalty! (1)

pipatron (966506) | more than 6 years ago | (#21232157)

he still ultimately must wind up on death row

How come? Do you think it's likely that he will murder someone else?

You actually want to end a persons life, with no means what so ever to undo your judgment if it happens that these circumstantial evidence are proven wrong?

Re:Death Penalty! (-1, Flamebait)

tjstork (137384) | more than 6 years ago | (#21232175)

You actually want to end a persons life, with no means what so ever to undo your judgment if it happens that these circumstantial evidence are proven wrong?

Yep. That's about right. Stick the wires to his head, the plunger into his arm. Kill the son of a bitch. Guilty.

Re:Death Penalty! (0, Troll)

tjstork (137384) | more than 6 years ago | (#21232311)

How come? Do you think it's likely that he will murder someone else?

Nope, don't care if he murders someone else. He's just a dick, has been a dick a number of times, and ultimately finally did one dickish thing. So yeah, he killed his wife, and yeah, there's a chance that he could kill someone else. But really, its more like, he's a shitty person from the get go, and therefor, off the island of life with him.

Maybe he can sort things out with Jesus or something, or, if his religion has no resurrection ship, his death will be permanent. Either way, I don't care. He should have treated his family with the respect that it deserves and he should not have killed his wife. He made his choices, and now I and other American citizens will make ours.

Death Penalty.

Yes, Death Penalty! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21232217)

Because anyone who loves his wife that blindedly should be put to death! He's guilty that he didn't see the signs stacking-up before her disappearance act! I'm sitting here typing this, next to two soon-to-be-married people that have only been together for 1-year, and everything the male is doing and saying to the female would be thought of as dominating in script-written form if not the acknowledgment of the female was skewed and sarcastic.

Geeks should not date non-geeks.

I think it is a pretty clear cut case that Reiser is guilty. By his own admission, Reiser was a very controlling husband who dominated his wife. In all of his interviews, he doesn't even seem to grasp the sacrifices that he asked his wife to make. She's a non-person to him. He trashed her career so he could work on his, would disappear for months at a time in Russia, and then, by other witnesses, often screamed at her over the phone. No wonder she slept his with his best friend. Thus, you already have all the patterns of domestic abuse in place - and for that, there is overwhelming statistical evidence that predicts Reiser would in fact kill his wife.

I'm sure its easy to believe that Reiser's just "a little weird" and being persecuted, but what you have here is a control freak in his software, and ultimately, a control freak in his personal life, and when his wife slept with someone else, he flipped out and killed her.

His story doesn't add up at all. I've had to live in my car, but I've never been in a situation where I felt like I needed to remove the passenger seat. And, if I had $9000 in cash, I would think I would at least find myself a room. Usually, people with $9000 in cash can put together a place to stay. Even in the USA, Reiser could have rented a room for like $200-$300 a month, an apartment for $500-$600, if he was looking on the cheap. Finally, the most convenient way to put money in the hands of a Russian programmer is electronically.

Reiser killed Nina in the car, and cleaned it out thoroughly, which explains why it was wet, except for the seat she was sitting in, which had to be removed. The seat is probably with the body, most likely. The $9000 in cash and passport were to allow him to leave the country and go to Russia, and the reason he ran from the cops, to begin with, is that he knew that he did it.

REISER, wife abusing bastard who is guilty of first degree premeditated murder, and I'd say, that's a capital offense. Hell of a file system he made, but, he still ultimately must wind up on death row.

I'd have no problem signing the warrant myself.

Re:Death Penalty! (3, Insightful)

Ant P. (974313) | more than 6 years ago | (#21232227)

I don't know what fascist dictatorship you live under, but in my part of the world it's "innocent until proven guilty".

Reiser Must Die! (-1, Troll)

tjstork (137384) | more than 6 years ago | (#21232065)

This guy is guilty. He's a proven control freak with a track record of domestic abuse. He had to go to Russia to try and buy himself a subservient wife, because no American women in her right mind would put with up all of his bullshit, and when his Russian wife woke up, he killed her.

They've got Reiser with a cleaned up car and missing passenger seat, $9000 in cash to try and flee the country with. There's really no other rational way to look at this. Framed by the Russian Mafia - that's his story? If the Russian mafia, or any mafia, wanted to screw with him, they just would have killed him. No need for byzantine plots.

He's so guilty. And I hope the jury sends this guy to the death row he deserves.
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