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Censoring Maniac Mansion for the NES

Zonk posted more than 6 years ago | from the hard-hitting-realism dept.

Classic Games (Games) 82

Via Destructoid, an article at the personal site of Douglas Crockford, a gent who worked with LucasArts during the NES days. He takes a look at the silly amount of content censored to get the game Maniac Mansion acceptable for Nintendo and the Nintendo Entertainment System. "'Well, Mommy, I'm worried! He hasn't eaten in 5 years. / YEAH, SO!!! / and he's been bringing those bodies, and he carries those bodies to the basement at night.' [sic] This was from Weird Ed's dialogue with his mother, Nurse Edna, in which Ed tries to get his mother to recognize the terrible things that have happened to his father over the past 20 years. What was Nintendo's problem with the dialogue? ... In fact, Nintendo's interpretation of the speech was that Dr. Fred was a cannibal, that he was eating the bodies. That was never our intention, so we changed Ed's speech to 'He hasn't slept in 5 years,' which helps to explain why Dr. Fred is never seen in his bedroom. But even if we had intended that Dr. Fred was a cannibal, what's the harm? He would have been one under the influence of the evil purple meteor. The game recognizes that it is bad, and your mission is to rescue him from this unhappy state. Who would be offended?"

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Anyone know a good way to defrost a hamster? (2, Funny)

BadAnalogyGuy (945258) | more than 6 years ago | (#21241861)

My hamster's frozen.

Re:Anyone know a good way to defrost a hamster? (1)

Backward Z (52442) | more than 6 years ago | (#21241893)

Did you try tossing it in the clothes dryer?

Re:Anyone know a good way to defrost a hamster? (2, Informative)

uvsc_wolverine (692513) | more than 6 years ago | (#21246297)

Fool! You have to have Bernard get the keys from the inside of the door of the fat guy's room, give the keys to the guy in the ski mask, use the crowbar you get from the guy with the ski mask to get the quarter stuck in the gum, get another quarter from the pay phone, use both quarters in the magic fingers bed to shake the fat guy off of it, get the sweater he was sleeping on, hit the vending machine with the crowbar and take all the quarters, then take the sweater and put it in the dryer using all of the quarters from the vending machine, then have Laverne get the hamster out of the ice machine, microwave him and get the sweater out of the dryer and put it on him so he's not cold!

Wow...I am so sad that I remembered all that...

Re:Anyone know a good way to defrost a hamster? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21241925)

My favorite method is Napalm.

Re:Anyone know a good way to defrost a hamster? (1)

damaki (997243) | more than 6 years ago | (#21241941)

I am pretty sure that a radioactive swimming pool would heat it.

Re:Anyone know a good way to defrost a hamster? (1)

Lachryma (949694) | more than 6 years ago | (#21241963)

Microwaving the pool water is another way to die.

Re:Anyone know a good way to defrost a hamster? (1)

damaki (997243) | more than 6 years ago | (#21242121)

I really like this nethackish feeling in Maniac Mansion. If a thing is stupid enough for you to try, the devs have probably already thought about it. I did not know about that one.

Re:Anyone know a good way to defrost a hamster? (1)

JeepFanatic (993244) | more than 6 years ago | (#21241991)

A personal favorite of mine is to use the microwave.

Re:Anyone know a good way to defrost a hamster? (1)

meringuoid (568297) | more than 6 years ago | (#21242501)

A personal favorite of mine is to use the microwave.

Kids who put hamsters in microwaves back in my century get taken away from their parents and put into care. So DON'T DO IT.

BERNARD MOTHERF*CKING BERNOULLI (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21241927)

Maniac Mansion was one of the hands-down best adventure games out of all that LucasArts ever produced.

Anybody ever see the TV show? I never could, and the internet has very few details on it. :-(

Remember, as worthless as Jeff is, he can fix the damn broken telephone.

Re:BERNARD MOTHERF*CKING BERNOULLI (0, Offtopic)

Peripherus (727117) | more than 6 years ago | (#21242181)

Anybody ever see the TV show? I never could, and the internet has very few details on it. :-(
Imagine The Addams Family done by Mr. Rogers.

Re:BERNARD MOTHERF*CKING BERNOULLI (1)

Conspiracy_Of_Doves (236787) | more than 6 years ago | (#21242775)

That show pissed me way the hell off. It had almost nothing to do with the game.

One episode, I was thrilled when TV Guide said that the Edisons get three unexpected visitors in the night.

Turns out the three visitors were the sandman, the tooth fairy, and mister friggin coffee.

Re:BERNARD MOTHERF*CKING BERNOULLI (2, Interesting)

Spazmania (174582) | more than 6 years ago | (#21244697)

What you didn't know is that its based on an MMOG they created in partnership with Quantum Computer Services in the late '80s. Imagine Maniac Mansion with no fixed plot, about 100 times as large and with hundreds of other players in the game.

Quantum canned Habitat after the pilot test in order to recover space on the mainframe for AOL 1.0.

Uh, yeah! (5, Funny)

Jah-Wren Ryel (80510) | more than 6 years ago | (#21241965)

But even if we had intended that Dr. Fred was a cannibal, what's the harm? He would have been one under the influence of the evil purple meteor. The game recognizes that it is bad, and your mission is to rescue him from this unhappy state. Who would be offended?
Cannibals.

Great read. (2, Insightful)

cromar (1103585) | more than 6 years ago | (#21242005)

I read this a year or two ago - it's really funny and nostalgic. OTOH, it shows to what length Nintendo of America would go to back then to project the image of the "Family Computer." Way farther than taking blood sprites out of Mortal Kombat.

Re:Great read. (1)

cromar (1103585) | more than 6 years ago | (#21242071)

P.S. There is a NES ROM of a Maniac Mansion prototype floating around in thar tubes. It's mostly uncensored, but aside from that I don't recall it being much different from the original.

Re:Great read. (-1, Troll)

badasscat (563442) | more than 6 years ago | (#21242417)

The only thing I take from it is that they were interested in fixing bad writing. There's a reason why it sounds like the guy's a cannibal in the original dialogue. If that wasn't the intent, then it should have been fixed. I wouldn't necessarily attach any nefarious "family values" motive to it - if I read that as part of an approval process, I'd say "did you mean for that guy to be a cannibal?" If the answer from the writer was "no", I'd tell him to fix it. Simple as that, really.

I'd call this more part of Nintendo's quality control process - of which they are widely known to be very strict - than any sort of "censorship".

Re:Great read. (2, Insightful)

cromar (1103585) | more than 6 years ago | (#21242473)

I was going to reply, but then I realized there was no way you could have RTFA and come to that conclusion.

Re:Great read. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21243075)

I was going to reply, but then I realized there was no way you could have RTFA and come to that conclusion.
Good thing your better judgment won out. As you didn't just point out, under the circumstances you'd have to be an idiot to reply.

Re:Great read. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21244699)

I was going to reply, but instead I decided to tell you to go fuck yourself up the ass with a curling iron.

Re:Great read. (1)

\\ (118555) | more than 6 years ago | (#21254871)

If my memory servers, the only thing different in the prototype floating around is the naked statue that was removed is still there. Everything else is just as censored.

The only problem. (0, Troll)

TheGeneration (228855) | more than 6 years ago | (#21242013)

This would be the only problem I have with Nintendo. It seemed on the Gamecube that their censorship standards were a little less intrusive. Maybe now that they have the lions share of this generations console market they feel they can reinject their censorship standards.

Eternal Darkness was one of the best games ever on the GC. I can't imagine it would pass the Nintendo censors on the Wii.

Re:The only problem. (1)

MBCook (132727) | more than 6 years ago | (#21242107)

They gave up around the SNES days. The event most people point to is Mortal Kombat. The Genesis version had blood, the SNES didn't (or it was green). The Genesis version sold much better because it was more faithful. They started to relax things.

It's quite clean Nintendo doesn't do that (for the most part) any more. Resident Evil 0/1/4 (Cube, Wii), Conquer's Bad Fur Day (N64), Red Steel (Wii), Manhunt 2 (Wii) and others show that they are willing to put up with violence and such.

Things were a little different back then. Stamping a DVD is much cheaper than burning ROMs. Nintendo doesn't produce the games for you like they used to, so even if they wanted to censor things they would have a harder time today since they aren't the gatekeeper.

Re:The only problem. (1)

edwdig (47888) | more than 6 years ago | (#21242525)

Things were a little different back then. Stamping a DVD is much cheaper than burning ROMs. Nintendo doesn't produce the games for you like they used to, so even if they wanted to censor things they would have a harder time today since they aren't the gatekeeper.

Nintendo still does the game production. Nintendo will never release a system where they don't, as that's where their money and power comes from.

Re:The only problem. (1)

Krakhan (784021) | more than 6 years ago | (#21242527)

They gave up around the SNES days. The event most people point to is Mortal Kombat. The Genesis version had blood, the SNES didn't (or it was green). The Genesis version sold much better because it was more faithful. They started to relax things.

The blood was actually non-existent in the SNES version. It was replaced by grey 'sweat'. Also, some of the fatalities were toned down, most notably Sub-zero's.

Re:The only problem. (1)

Khaed (544779) | more than 6 years ago | (#21243515)

Worst was Kano's. Instead of ripping out their heart, he pulled out... a giant ball of sweat.

Re:The only problem. (2, Interesting)

king-manic (409855) | more than 6 years ago | (#21242881)

Things were a little different back then. Stamping a DVD is much cheaper than burning ROMs. Nintendo doesn't produce the games for you like they used to, so even if they wanted to censor things they would have a harder time today since they aren't the gatekeeper.
Nintendo licenses the products that come for the wii. If they don't like your game, you don't get a license. It wasn't because Nintendo stamped the games, it was because Nintendo controlled licensing. They are still the gate keepers because unlicensed products aren't as widely distributed. Normally through some deals with large retail chains. IE. "if you don't sell unlicensed items we'll sell you Wii's 5% cheaper" or "Sorry, I have no shipments for you this week, but I think we might if you stop selling item X". Normally the licensing is for Quality, GUI uniformity guides, and feature utilization. For instance the tacts on wii waggle, achievments for the 360 and the tilt control for the ps3. Nintendo, Microsoft, and Sony are more likely to license your game if you enable those features. All 3 also have rules for GUI too (A is for accept, B is for cancel) ( O is for accept X is for cancel) etc...

But should Nintendo see a point in censoring they might go back.

Re:The only problem. (1)

aichpvee (631243) | more than 6 years ago | (#21245091)

Well Mortal Kombat is kind of misleading in that way. Yeah the Genesis version had red blood instead of sweat, but it also played a hell of a lot better.

I have to agree, though, censorship on Wii seems to be much more in the hands of the ESRB than Nintendo these days. If Manhunt 2 "Uncensored" had received an M-Rating I'm sure it'd be in stores right now, and probably selling more copies as well.

Re:The only problem. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21242111)

I can't imagine it would pass the Nintendo censors on the Wii.
Really? Then you're a fucking idiot. Please kill yourself.

Re:The only problem. (1)

Spy der Mann (805235) | more than 6 years ago | (#21242159)

Eternal Darkness was one of the best games ever on the GC. I can't imagine it would pass the Nintendo censors on the Wii.

Well, first they would have to restore their lost sanity :)

Re:The only problem. (1)

falcon5768 (629591) | more than 6 years ago | (#21242305)

Um hi Manhunt 2? The only reason it was not released on the Wii was it got a AO rating, the M version WAS released on the Wii.

At one time, M-rated content was banned (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 6 years ago | (#21245963)

Um hi Manhunt 2? The only reason it was not released on the Wii was it got a AO rating, the M version WAS released on the Wii.

In the NES era and the first half of the Super NES era, Nintendo did not allow content on its consoles that would have been rated M had the ESRB existed. It had to be T or cleaner, or go release it for the C64 instead. Look through the U.S. Virtual Console list [wikipedia.org]: all NES games are E, and all Super NES games are E, E10+, or T.

Mortal Kombat's main competitor at the time was Street Fighter II Turbo, rated T. I'll guess that the original Mortal Kombat for Super NES was T material, given that the Sega Genesis version of MK was rated "MA-13" after having similar censorship applied. MK for Genesis had a blood code ABACABB, but unlike ESRB, Sega's VRC didn't care about hidden content,[1] and this blood code was a system seller for the Genesis hardware. Nintendo learned its lesson and allowed MKII to come with an ages 17+ sticker. Subsequent MK games would carry ESRB ratings.

[1] The nearly identical Sega CD version of Mortal Kombat shipped with blood turned on by default and was rated MA-17.

Re:At one time, M-rated content was banned (1)

falcon5768 (629591) | more than 6 years ago | (#21246061)

yes but the Parent was talking about how if Eternal Darkness where released today, it wouldnt be on the Wii since its a MA game, which is complete bullshit as the Wii already HAS a number of MA games.

Re:The only problem. (1)

Krakhan (784021) | more than 6 years ago | (#21242489)

What are you talking about?

Nintendo hasn't imposed any of these censorship standards on third party developers ever since the ESRB came into existence. Take say, Mortal Kombat II as an example. That was released uncensored on the SNES. It completely clobbered the Genesis version in sales, unlike the first Mortal Kombat game.

That reminds me, the other Mortal Kombat game, Armageddon was also released on the Wii, and I hardly think that is censored at all.

Re:The only problem. (1)

plague3106 (71849) | more than 6 years ago | (#21243131)

Huh? You realize they don't allow AO rated games to be sold on their system; third party developers will loss their license to develop games if they try to put one out. The other two consoles are the same, but don't pretend its not censorship.

Re:The only problem. (1)

Krakhan (784021) | more than 6 years ago | (#21243249)

That's besides my point. The parent poster was implying that Nintendo would go back to their old ways of censoring titles on the Wii like they did with the NES and early SNES titles. I'm just saying they don't enforce those policies.

The issue with an AO rating is a different issue compared to what was done back then.

Re:The only problem. (1)

plague3106 (71849) | more than 6 years ago | (#21243487)

No, the issue is the same. Whether they decide what content is censored, or leave it up to a third party to do so is not really relevent. The result is the same; no adults only content allowed on the console. The way it works now just shifts who's doing the work. There's no reason for them to ban AO titles on their console.

Re:The only problem. (1)

Krakhan (784021) | more than 6 years ago | (#21243607)

Where did I mention anything about AO rated titles in my post? You're nitpicking over a red herring, stop.

Re:The only problem. (1)

plague3106 (71849) | more than 6 years ago | (#21246429)

I'm sorry, I thought you'd see that banning AO titles is censorship, much like it used to, which you DO talk about in your post. Certainly I thought you'd have picked up on that where my post states as much. The fact that they are censoring less does not change the fact that they are censoring.

Re:The only problem. (1)

falcon5768 (629591) | more than 6 years ago | (#21244921)

Money, and image are the reasons why ALL of the systems banned them. Its the exact same reason why pretty much all movie theaters ban NC-17 flicks, or even unrated ones in the case of indies. The little credibility they gain by allowing a AO game is vastly dwarfed by the potential backlash in this country to them doing it... If you want that to change, you need to remove the power that conservatives wield, because until then it wont change.

To put it in perspective though, for as shy to sex and the US is, the EU and Japan is the opposite, much of the violence that passes as M or even T games would ban them elsewhere.

Re:The only problem. (1)

plague3106 (71849) | more than 6 years ago | (#21246457)

Since when do corporations care about image?

At any rate, if it was about money, they'd make more by allowing AO titles. Certainly adult DVDs didn't prevent DVD players from becoming popular; in fact, quite the other way around. Why would it hurt a console, especially one with the same controls as a DVD player?

Re:The only problem. (1)

falcon5768 (629591) | more than 6 years ago | (#21253925)

ALL corporations care about image. Your kidding yourself if you thought they didnt.

As for money, your DVD analogy is wrong, because adult DVDs had no bearing on the DVD market at all despite their claim to the contrary... Where you are RIGHT though is VCRs, as the birth of the VCR is directly correlated with adult tapes. But the difference here is both that the market took a long time to accept the technology, because technology in general took a long time to accept then (think about it, Microwaves existed in the 60's VCRs the 70's yet how long did it take for either to show up in your house?)

Likewise the idea of the systems are different. VCRs where considered "adult" devices. Kids didnt touch them, forget about using them. Kid movies and shows on tape? Those didnt show up to easily the mid 80's long after the VCR was in the homes already.

Gaming devices though aARE considered "kid" devices. Your still looked down upon by most of the US for playing games, its sad but true. Imaging a "kids" toy being used to play porn? Thats like asking for the religious right and babysitter left to lock up this entire country and make Jack Thompson our savior.

Re:The only problem. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21246655)

If you want that to change, you need to remove the power that conservatives wield

You've got the cart before the horse there, the conservatives wield power because of their social agenda. A lot more Americans believe in "banning filth" and "protecting the children" than believe in freedom of expression.

So removing the power the conservatives wield would require nuking Topeka and exterminating the inhabitants of the flat states. Not that I'm opposed to the idea, but there are certain problems with the idea.

Re:The only problem. (1)

damaki (997243) | more than 6 years ago | (#21242517)

They softened their standards. You can block violent games on your Wii, you know, so there is no problem anymore. Sure most parents do not know it's possible, still, it's there.
Furthermore, mature gaming is still a big target. That's why there are FPSes on Wii too. When the kids are sleeping, daddy raids the baddies.

Prime example (2, Insightful)

techpawn (969834) | more than 6 years ago | (#21242035)

Of a game ahead of it's time. Now we're accepting of sleeping with hookers, running them over, and taking our money back in games. But in the early days of Nintendo they seem to of had pretty tight Standards & Practices to get a cartridge licensed.

But times have changed and now you can strangle people with a choking acting thanks to them!

Old news (2, Insightful)

zdude255 (1013257) | more than 6 years ago | (#21242043)

Well in that day and age video games were a new and much smaller market. The NES came out and saved us from the video game crash. As a new product in a market that had just crashed, they had a lot more to lose. Video games were getting enough flak from politicians as it was, they didn't even want to risk something like cannibalism being inferred. (This predates the ESRB and whatnot) Nowadays the market is much more mature and more graphic things are being tolerated.

Re:Old news (4, Funny)

somersault (912633) | more than 6 years ago | (#21242833)

Dude. You may be the first person on the internet in the last 2 years that I have seen using the word 'lose' in the correct context and spelled correctly - congratulations!

Re:Old news (1)

Nazlfrag (1035012) | more than 6 years ago | (#21248961)

Loosely speaking, 'loose' and 'lose' have lost status. Losers have loosened definitions. You are losing this lost battle so loose yourself now, unless you lose yourself further and lose your screws.

Re:Old news (1)

Khaed (544779) | more than 6 years ago | (#21243565)

It's also one reason they limited how many games a company could produce per year: To avoid an influx of crappy games.

Important thing to note, Nintendo AMERICA (2, Informative)

SmallFurryCreature (593017) | more than 6 years ago | (#21242113)

This isn't Nintendo Japan, this is Nintendo United States of America. The article briefly mentions it, Nintendo of America NOA.

This is an important difference, this story is nothing new, and if you are willing too google a bit you can easily find other examples of NOA censoring games. INCLUDING N games, Nintendo of America EVEN censored Nintendo games from japan. http://www.filibustercartoons.com/Nintendo.php [filibustercartoons.com] (google NOA censoring) for instance shows several games in their original japanese release and the censored US release.

It is a US thing. Although the rest of the world seems eager to catch up. Remember kids, nudity is bad, violence against those who are different is good, as long as you don't say it out loud.

Re:Important thing to note, Nintendo AMERICA (1)

damaki (997243) | more than 6 years ago | (#21242287)

And don't forget: european games are mostly localized from the US versions because it's cheaper to translate or adapt from english. Whenever US censors games, Europe gets the same treatment.
I had the censored Maniac Mansion and the censored Castlevania.

Re:Important thing to note, Nintendo AMERICA (1)

slothman32 (629113) | more than 6 years ago | (#21250109)

You mean Castlevania is censored!
Except for the physical lack of blood it is pretty violent.
I play the first few and now I am a mass murderer.
What is the non-censored version like?

Re:Important thing to note, Nintendo AMERICA (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21243351)

You mean like how the US version of Mortal Kombat 2 on Super Nintendo had real red blood, but the Japanese version had green blood?

Re:Important thing to note, Nintendo AMERICA (5, Informative)

Ravenger (715905) | more than 6 years ago | (#21243671)

I worked on SNES games back in the 90's and had to abide by NOA's restrictions. I wish I'd kept the document they gave us, because it was hilarious.

You couldn't have characters drinking alcohol. If a character went into a bar, they weren't allowed to drink alcohol or order alcoholic drinks.

Characters couldn't pray. They had to 'meditate'. Churches weren't allowed, but 'Temples' were.

You couldn't tell a player to 'kill' anything. Assassinate, terminate, destroy, and defeat were all ok, but not 'kill'.

You couldn't show blood splats. One game I worked on had tiny characters that when they fought had little tiny red clouds near them to show them fighting. We had to change it to yellow dust clouds. Of course when Street Fighter came out that had blood splats, but they were allowed to, while we weren't.

Re:Important thing to note, Nintendo AMERICA (2, Insightful)

Creepy (93888) | more than 6 years ago | (#21244039)

remember, Japan and Europe are much more liberal than America in some respects. Both find topless women non-offensive (at least non-sexually), and some things that are abhorrent in the US are perfectly acceptable in Japan - take, for instance, the children's cartoon with 'possum that blows up his testicles and whack baddies with them. Disney woulda been crucified, beaten, stoned, burned at the stake and sexually mutilated by the President himself if he tried to make children's TV or movies with material like that.

Re:Important thing to note, Nintendo AMERICA (1)

Emetophobe (878584) | more than 6 years ago | (#21251879)

This reminds me of my favourite game, A Link to the Past. From the wikipedia entry [wikipedia.org]:

The English language localization included a number of changes to the original Japanese game. The most common change was the removal of religious references to conform with Nintendo of America's content guidelines. The most obvious change was made to the subtitle of the game, which was changed from Triforce of the Gods to A Link to the Past. The font used to represent an unreadable language, Hylian, originally had designs of a vulture and an ankh. These designs were based on Egyptian hieroglyphs which carry religious meanings, and were altered in the English version. The localization also made changes to plot included in the manual. The priest Agahnim became a wizard, and his background, which originally implied that he was sent by the gods, was altered to remove any celestial origin.

Old? Dupe? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21242115)

I remember reading an article years ago on this very subject. I'm at work, so I can't do the deep research, but I do recall a lot of the content being discussed. Especially the NES SCUMM part, based on LucasArt's SCUMM interpreter.

Any chance this is a ancient dupe? Because I *KNOW* I've seen this being discussed by one of the porters of MM to the NES a long time ago.

"Offense" has multiple meanings. (1)

sseaman (931799) | more than 6 years ago | (#21242321)

The game recognizes that it is bad, and your mission is to rescue him from this unhappy state. Who would be offended?
Similarly, why not allow your young child to watch The Hills Have Eyes re-make [imdb.com]? Sure, women are raped, men are burned alive, and babies are held at gun-point, but the movie recognizes that these things are bad, and it is the mission of the hero to rescue the family from this unhappy state. The Nintendo was for children, and, AFAIK, Maniac Mansion was marketed to children. A scene where a young boy discusses his father's potential cannibalism (which is how I first read the scene in the summary) is disturbing, much in the way that an electric shock is disturbing.

Re:"Offense" has multiple meanings. (1)

brkello (642429) | more than 6 years ago | (#21242665)

Uh, no. If you think reading the passage is as bad as electric shock then this isn't even a rational discussion. The only thing that seems to offend me anymore are people that take offense to everything.

Anyone else find the censored dialog funnier? (1)

anss123 (985305) | more than 6 years ago | (#21242989)

Never played MM, so I don't know about the context, but the uncensored dialog seem to be more blunt and to the point while the censored stuff leaves more room for the imagination.

Re:Anyone else find the censored dialog funnier? (1)

SQLGuru (980662) | more than 6 years ago | (#21243705)

Point 1: You're missing out. Look for MM and DOTT (Day of the Tentacle - the sequel to MM) both.....or for that matter, MM is embedded in DOTT, so you can play it there, but only later in the game, so if you want continuity, go MM then DOTT.

Point 2: A lot of the humor was about inuendo and ambiguity. So, dialog that promoted that fits quite well with the game.

Layne

Nintendo's prerogative. (3, Insightful)

MaWeiTao (908546) | more than 6 years ago | (#21244445)

Nintendo has gone to absurd lengths to clean up their games, but honestly I think they're free to do as they please. Nintendo is a private company and if they decide they don't want offensive content available on their console its their prerogative. If, as a consumer, I have a problem with that practice, I'll buy a system from a company that doesn't put such restrictions on games. It's not like Nintendo was engaging in thought control or propaganda.

What I do have a problem with, however, is when the government starts deciding what should be censored. It's like the Fairness Doctrine. A lot of people are pushing it in an attempt to control conservative talk radio. That's all well and good, but the irony is that the doctrine came about originally during the anti-communist movement and then actually used against liberal talk shows. So this cuts both ways. You can't say you're for free speech provided it only suits your own opinions and desires. The last thing we need is more government control.

I have the right to dictate what I'm exposed to in my own house in the same way Nintendo can dictate the content for their consoles. Even if I agree that the extent to which Nintendo of America went to clean up their games was absolutely ridiculous. Although, I can't really say it business.

Re:Nintendo's prerogative. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21245973)

Nintendo is a private company and if they decide they don't want offensive content available on their console its their prerogative
If I buy one its _my_ console. They're deciding they don't want "offensive content" on _my_ console.

If, as a consumer, I have a problem with that practice, I'll buy a system from a company that doesn't put such restrictions on games. ... What I do have a problem with, however, is when the government starts deciding what should be censored.
What's the difference if its censored by a government or a corporation?

corporation = "just" switch consoles
government = "just" switch counties

"The free market" can handles both equally well.

Re:Nintendo's prerogative. (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 6 years ago | (#21245995)

Nintendo has gone to absurd lengths to clean up their games, but honestly I think they're free to do as they please. Nintendo is a private company and if they decide they don't want offensive content available on their console its their prerogative.
Then which TV-connected video gaming system does allow for developers' freedom of speech? Sony: no AO. Microsoft: no AO.

Re:Nintendo's prerogative. (1)

MaWeiTao (908546) | more than 6 years ago | (#21246875)

Then which TV-connected video gaming system does allow for developers' freedom of speech? Sony: no AO. Microsoft: no AO.


PC's do. Unfortunately, the PC games are now experiencing the same scrutiny console games have traditionally faced. Nevertheless, the last time I checked you can do or say anything you want with your PC. You can even find something to suit any gaming need if you dig enough. So I don't really see where freedom of speech is being hindered.

Now, if you want to make money exercising freedom of speech in some eccentric manner, don't be surprised if you don't earn much of a living off it. Developers make the games they do because it's current the safest, easiest way to make money. Parents have few reservations buying a Wii because it's perceived to be a kid-friendly console. You may see that as censoring free speech but Nintendo sees it as a great way to make money.

Are PCs TV-connected? (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 6 years ago | (#21247061)

Then which TV-connected video gaming system does allow for developers' freedom of speech?
PC's do.
Are PCs TV-connected? How many players can play simultaneously on one PC? Or should I buy one machine for in-person multiplayer games and a separate machine for free speech games, and just suffer for the fact that there artificially can't be an in-person multiplayer free speech game?

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Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21246285)

In Soviet Russia, cannibals eat YOU!

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