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Smart Monitoring PC Hardware Launched By NVIDIA

Zonk posted more than 6 years ago | from the i-see-you've-been-playing-some-portal dept.

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MojoKid writes "NVIDIA has just introduced a new open-industry standard for real-time monitoring and control of PC power supplies, chassis, and water cooling systems. Dubbed ESA, which stands for Enthusiast System Architecture, the company hopes the standard will be adopted across the industry. A new wave of ESA compliant hardware that can be monitored and controlled via a standard interface could ensue, like smart health-monitoring power supplies and other components, that would increase system stability and reliability. 'The ESA standard is built around the USB HID (Human Interface Device) specification and has been submitted to the USB-if HID subcommittee for discussion and approval. ESA is essentially a hardware and software interface that takes data collected by analog sensors and converts it to digital information that can accessed via software. Below are a handful of slides taken from an NVIDIA-produced presentation on ESA.'"

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Join my club! (1, Funny)

Big Nothing (229456) | more than 6 years ago | (#21254445)

Anyone wanna join my club; ATS*?

* ATS: Ambiguous Three-letter-acronyms Suck

Re:Join my club! (1)

The -e**(i*pi) (1150927) | more than 6 years ago | (#21254521)

Re:Join my club! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21254603)

You aren't helping. There are 34 different (non-related) abbreviations on that page.

Re:Join my club! (1)

The -e**(i*pi) (1150927) | more than 6 years ago | (#21254765)

ahh, but the default one is: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ESA [wikipedia.org]

Re:Join my club! (2, Funny)

Big Nothing (229456) | more than 6 years ago | (#21255079)

Nope, I just changed it.

LET'S GET READY TO WIKIRUUUUUUUUMMMBBBBLEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!

Naah, just kidding, I wouldn't dream of starting a wikiwar just to get some karma points. Or would I?

Re:Join my club! (1)

The -e**(i*pi) (1150927) | more than 6 years ago | (#21256593)

If we all did we might screw up wikipedia with the extra traffic. thats assuming we automate the changing.

Re:Join my club! (1)

Hamoohead (994058) | more than 6 years ago | (#21261757)

If they really wanted to be cool, ESA would stand for ESA System Architecture.

Are you sure? (1, Funny)

InvisblePinkUnicorn (1126837) | more than 6 years ago | (#21254469)

Are you sure MojoKid wrote that? If so, he forgot to add the presentation slides to his slashdot submission.

Re:Are you sure? (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21254607)

Are you sure MojoKid wrote that? If so, he forgot to add the presentation slides to his slashdot submission.
MojoKid [slashdot.org] does actually appear to be Marco Chiappetta, the author of the hothardware.com article. So he did write that, yes, but did a pretty sloppy job of quoting himself for the synopsis.

Hmm.... (4, Funny)

EveryNickIsTaken (1054794) | more than 6 years ago | (#21254525)

ESA is essentially a hardware and software interface that takes data collected by analog sensors and converts it to digital information that can accessed via software.
Sounds like a computer to me...

Re:Hmm.... (1)

mux2000 (832684) | more than 6 years ago | (#21256891)

Sounds to me more like a DAC.

Printer Analog Sensors (3, Funny)

Dareth (47614) | more than 6 years ago | (#21254555)

I hope the sensors work better than the ones in my HP printers. While it is may be interesting all the things they can detect, jam in tray 3, under fuser, etc. They really annoy the hell out of the users.

Well, I would ramble on more about voltage flux warnings etc, but I have to run and change my print toner... I have less than 1000 pages left!

Re:Printer Analog Sensors (1)

MrP-(at work) (839979) | more than 6 years ago | (#21254719)

Yeah let's hope not.. Otherwise expect messages stating your running out of hard drive space when really you're only using 50%.

Re:Printer Analog Sensors (2, Funny)

The -e**(i*pi) (1150927) | more than 6 years ago | (#21254793)

50% is running out of hard drive space 80% is out of hard drive space 90% is screwing up your computer

Re:Printer Analog Sensors (1)

vadim_t (324782) | more than 6 years ago | (#21254853)

Well, I would ramble on more about voltage flux warnings etc, but I have to run and change my print toner... I have less than 1000 pages left!


Well, it depends on how you use the printer. Here I'm sitting near a printer used to print product catalogs. 1000 pages left is a sign of that if there's no extra toner left, ordering some now would be a very good idea.

Really the right thing to do would be making the threshold configurable. Also depending on the cartridge, the precise amount of toner might be hard to measure.

Re:Printer Analog Sensors (1)

lukas84 (912874) | more than 6 years ago | (#21255495)

It is configurable on newer HP printers (and Lexmark, and maybe more, but i don't know that).

And yes, i think 1000 is a pretty good point for a warning. Remember, we're talking about company printers here. Getting a replacement cartridge can be pretty complicated depending on the company, and even then the supplier might not have stock of your specific cartridge type (Probably only with more exotic, older printers).

Re:Printer Analog Sensors (2, Funny)

mikael (484) | more than 6 years ago | (#21256481)

While it is may be interesting all the things they can detect, jam in tray 3,

I find using ketchup works much better than toner ink - although it does tend to drip a lot.

Re:Printer Analog Sensors (1)

mcmire (1152897) | more than 6 years ago | (#21257433)

While it is may be interesting all the things they can detect, jam in tray 3,
I find using ketchup works much better than toner ink - although it does tend to drip a lot.
It certainly works better than using jam...





(thanks folks, I'll be here all night)

Re:Printer Analog Sensors (1)

ben there... (946946) | more than 6 years ago | (#21260349)

I hope the sensors work better than the ones in my HP printers.
I hope they work better than their own product [imageshack.us] . The CPU temp depicted is actually 51 degC, according to more accurate Core Temp and Intel TAT monitors. The nForce fan speed is actually ~5000 RPMs, but registers 11000 every few seconds without getting any louder. Occasionally the CPU core and FSB are drastically off.

Even with nVidia's integrated monitor, most "enthusiasts" (overclockers) end up trusting other independent utilities like SpeedFan and CoreTemp, and disregarding nVidia's monitor. Maybe that's what they're trying to improve. If they get better standardization of the sensors, maybe they'll be able to make a more accurate utility.

So far, nVidia makes great enthusiast hardware, but really poor enthusiast software to control it.

Bellow is a comment on this story (-1, Troll)

hxnwix (652290) | more than 6 years ago | (#21254581)

ummmm

Isn't this what SMBUS / I2C is for? (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21254611)

Isn't this what SMBUS / I2C is for?

Re:Isn't this what SMBUS / I2C is for? (3, Informative)

Andy Dodd (701) | more than 6 years ago | (#21255329)

Yeah, except there's no standard for I2C controllers (making software a nightmare - how many I2C controllers does lm-sensors need to support? How many are not supported?), likewise no standard for certain sensor types with I2C interfaces. (How many different temperature sensor drivers does lm-sensors have?)

On the other side of the world.... (4, Funny)

neokushan (932374) | more than 6 years ago | (#21254629)

In NVIDIA's new open-industry standard, you can monitor components inside your computer.

In soviet Russia, components inside your computer monitor YOU!

Re:On the other side of the world.... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21254751)

Mod -5 joke that was never that funny in first place and is really tired now

Re:On the other side of the world.... (1)

Gilmoure (18428) | more than 6 years ago | (#21256437)

Who's a tired cow?

Beef on wheels?

Re:On the other side of the world.... (2, Insightful)

tcolberg (998885) | more than 6 years ago | (#21257897)

And yet on the otherside of the world, the administration's wide definition of wiretapping means that the "components inside your computer monitor YOU" TOO!

Re:On the other side of the world.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21259021)

A hardware monitor in my LCD monitor monitors my monitor.

Re:On the other side of the world.... (1)

craiglarry (1009479) | more than 6 years ago | (#21264509)

Sounds so nice to me. But can they make drivers for the graphics card that actually work. Maybe that's not important?

IPMI Lite? (2)

drdanny_orig (585847) | more than 6 years ago | (#21254649)

Wasn't this already accomplished w/ IPMI? At least in more expensive server hardware? What am I missing?

Re:IPMI Lite? (4, Informative)

Junta (36770) | more than 6 years ago | (#21255105)

From my brief look at nVidia's site, it looks like it's more an internal standard than external. IPMI stops at the service processor. The service processor, in turn, used as many arbitrary busses/protocols internally to gather the data and report it back (and while the service processor *might* help you with fan-control versus throttling using OEM commands, the sensor interface strictly speaking only mandates reporting, not controlling). Such a system, for example, would do perfectly fine at reporting on all components explicitly integrated by the manufacturer. However, stick in an arbitrary graphics card, and no sensor value for it's temp/fan will appear as an IPMI-reported device. If a hypothetical standard existed within the case, monitoring may work better without having to buy a single-vendor solution that planned for all that, and you could hypothetically monitor and control arbitrary installed devices. Also, if intelligent about it, more tradeoffs can be made. When you can send instruction to both the GPU and it's cooling device, then for performance you could request that the cooling ramp up whatever it takes, but then go to acoustic and it would throttle the GPU instead of ramping up fans. An IPMI compliant BMC that was also ESA compliant might generate SDRs based on some sort of ESA-discovery.

nVidia isn't the only game in town talking about internal standards for this, Intel for one definitely has been pushing their own ideas in terms of moving standardization to the interior of the systems.

I've wanted something like this for a long time (4, Insightful)

MonorailCat (1104823) | more than 6 years ago | (#21254687)

I currently have to use several programs and a manual fan controller to for half the capability this system offers. To read temps I have to use different programs for motherboard, case, and GPU, and several fans aren't even controllable, in hardware or software. I have little understanding of the temperature distribution in my case. Getting all this information and more into one integrated hardware/software package is a feature I'd gladly pay more for.

Re:I've wanted something like this for a long time (1)

kyrio (1091003) | more than 6 years ago | (#21254933)

You've never heard of SpeedFan?

Re:I've wanted something like this for a long time (1)

Metaphorically (841874) | more than 6 years ago | (#21257193)

I currently have to use several programs and a manual fan controller to for half the capability this system offers. To read temps I have to use different programs for motherboard, case, and GPU, and several fans aren't even controllable, in hardware or software.
I'd love a nicely integrated solution. I don't have a high-end GPU right now but I went through all kinds of pain just trying to figure out if SMART reports correct data for my drives (more about this [latenightpc.com] ). The short answer is that while I think it may have been wrong I still took the time to install some new quieter, high volume fans.

It seems like it's time for cooling solutions to enter the PnP age. Ever since MS strong-armed the industry into adopting Plug n Play it's been much simpler for computers to correctly identify newly attached hardware. Temperature sensors are hardware too, why not get the same kind of info back from them? I'm not suggesting they need ROMs with unique names but something like a bus driver that can get an ID, position and reading off of them and give that to calling software would be great.

Re:I've wanted something like this for a long time (1)

Michael Woodhams (112247) | more than 6 years ago | (#21258755)

Likewise.

I use SpeedFan, but there is a lot it can't do:
I can't tell where the motherboard temperature sensors are.
It doesn't read temps or fan speeds or control fan speeds in the PSU.
It doesn't read temps or fan speeds or control fan speeds in the GPU (unless I plug the fan into a motherboard fan header.)
There is no standard hardware for attaching additional temperature probes.

In my case, some of this is moot - my GPU and PSU don't have fans. I take geek pride in having a quiet single fan system*. There are some excellent new PSUs, and I'd like to be able to use one and have the PSU fan take over from the case fan, but I can't safely do this, as I have no control over the PSU fan. Even if I hacked it to put the PSU fan under motherboard control, I would need both motherboard/CPU temps and PSU temps.

* Silverstone ST30NF PSU, passively cooled 7600GS GPU, Ninja CPU heatsink, Nexus 120mm case fan which runs at 40%-80% speed.

Re:I've wanted something like this for a long time (1)

Emetophobe (878584) | more than 6 years ago | (#21262009)

Getting all this information and more into one integrated hardware/software package is a feature I'd gladly pay more for.

Check out Everest Ultimate Edition [lavalys.com] . Here's a screenshot of the sensor page: http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/4020/everestoe0.jpg [imageshack.us] . Everest also shows VERY detailed information on every aspect of your hardware, operating system and software. It's quite an impressive piece of software, the only downside is that it's Windows only.

USB port usage... (2, Insightful)

Ptur (866963) | more than 6 years ago | (#21254741)

So you'll need a usb port for each item that you want to monitor (PSU, case, cooling,...).
Apart from usb port shortage, this also means more wires inside the case will be restricting the airflow.

Re:USB port usage... (1)

LWATCDR (28044) | more than 6 years ago | (#21255269)

I don't see the need to use USB for this. Why not use I2C or SMbus which based on I2C?
It already exists and is more than fast enough. Seems like there is already a solution in place that may just need to be improved and not replaced.

Re:USB port usage... (1)

Ptur (866963) | more than 6 years ago | (#21259737)

or SPI as a matter of fact....
 
The only problem is that I2C and SPI are not ideal on longer lengths, and certainly not for inter-component (MBPSU) communication.

Re:USB port usage... (2, Insightful)

LWATCDR (28044) | more than 6 years ago | (#21260019)

The problem with SPI for this application is that you need a CS line per device. That could be a lot of lines and or wires. Length of run shouldn't be a problem for the sensors in a PC case. The limit is depends on the clock speed but you can easily get a few meters. So with a 6 to 12 foot limit one has to wonder just how big your case is!
Motherboards already use the SMBus to monitor temps and fans. So why go with USB?

Re:USB port usage... (1)

Ptur (866963) | more than 6 years ago | (#21260335)

true... lowering the clock helps. Still, I have seen enough problematic uses due to interference. There's a difference between using I2C or SPI on a PCB or using wires throughout a case. They simply miss signal integrity guarantee.

Re:USB port usage... (1)

LWATCDR (28044) | more than 6 years ago | (#21266965)

Well except that SMBus which is I2C is already used on motherboards for temperature sensors and fans so we know that it works.

Why not just link to nvidia's page? (5, Informative)

SuperBanana (662181) | more than 6 years ago | (#21254753)

Nothing like primary source material [nvidia.com] , folks.

I really grow tired of Slashdot linking to another site that describes a web page, instead of just linking to the page itself.

Re:Why not just link to nvidia's page? (1)

trongey (21550) | more than 6 years ago | (#21254779)

If he'd done that he wouldn't have driven all those hits to his own page.

Re:Why not just link to nvidia's page? (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21255015)

...and when someone does link to the original source document for something like this, people say that the editors are just shilling for the manufacturer. Seriously, they can't win. Say what you will about the quality of a particular article (which, from what I can tell, is poor), but it's very acceptable to link to a new article which reports the contents of a different site, so as to give analysis, compilation of additional primary sources, etc.

Re:Why not just link to nvidia's page? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21257317)

It doesn't take much these days to write a blog. In fact, I'd say it's damned, terrible "shill" insurance. Slashdot editors should rewrite the summaries before posting. Finding primary sources should be their jobs, or this isn't really news.

Imagine if every hillbilly jackass that had home video footage accepted by a local news station was then offered to anchor the piece on the evening news as well.
That's Slashdot quality journalism... --hillbillyjackasses; ++nerds

Re:Why not just link to nvidia's page? (1)

keithjr (1091829) | more than 6 years ago | (#21255387)

Does that not mean you also grow tired of Slashdot itself, which is a list of links to posts that describe other pages?

Sorry, couldn't resist.

Re:Why not just link to nvidia's page? (1)

Big Jojo (50231) | more than 6 years ago | (#21260807)

... linking to another site that describes a web page, instead of just linking to the page itself.

Strange. That's essentially the policy WikiPedia has ... if you put up a good article using only primary sources you'll get dinged because This article or section needs sources or references that appear in reliable, third-party publications. Maybe for disciplines like history that makes sense. But it's a phenomenally stupid policy for technology, where secondary and tertiary sources are both rare and, more often than not, written by people who don't understand the subject matter well enough to describe the subject correctly. (Else they'd be in the industry and close enough to be ruled out as a Wiki-acceptable source ...) Or else by people who have some axe to grind and don't mind spreading misinformation.

Stupidity is growing, it appears. The right wing "assault on truth" appears in way too many places...

Is it interactive? (3, Insightful)

ircmaxell (1117387) | more than 6 years ago | (#21254781)

This would be cool if it allowed real time interactivity with the devices rather than just monitoring. Think about it, being able to monitor and control devices remotely... It can be done now, but it's highly device dependant... With an open protocol, lmsensors would become much easier to install...

Needs a better name (1)

Hoi Polloi (522990) | more than 6 years ago | (#21254791)

Calling it "Enthusiast" implies that it isn't for serious use, just hobbyists. I assume they'll want to market this feature to businesses and government buyers eventually. They should've picked a more generic name.

Re:Needs a better name (1)

kent_eh (543303) | more than 6 years ago | (#21254983)

They should've picked a more generic name.

More generic than ESA [wikipedia.org] ???
It looks like one of the most generic TLAs out there.

Re:Needs a better name (1)

ThirdPrize (938147) | more than 6 years ago | (#21255033)

Isn't it really just for the hardcore modders out there who pimp their rigs up with fans and lights and watercooling, etc? They are the only ones who want this sort of control over a PCs internals.

Re:Needs a better name (1)

Metaphorically (841874) | more than 6 years ago | (#21257051)

In the long run, yes, but they can always roll out a couple generations of technology to try out on the cutting edge stuff then once the kinks are worked out rebrand it as Enterprise System Monitoring or some-such businessy sounding thing.

Off-topic: What's going on with Slashdot? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21254823)

I'm seeing two different slashdot interfaces on two different computers. On one computer, I get a new interface that seems to be based on Javascript to filter and load articles dynamically. On the other one, I get the old static interface where the entire page must be reloaded when I click an article or change the filtering. This happens regardless of browser (Firefox and Opera), and it doesn't matter if I delete ~/.mozilla or ~/.opera and use factory default settings. I've even tried using VPN to see if the different IP addresses on the two computers were the cause, but not even that made any difference. The only difference left is that the computer that sees the new interface has Fedora Core 6, and the one that gets the old interface uses Slackware 12. Googling has not turned up anything on the subject. No one even mentions the new interface. What the hell is going on here?

Re:Off-topic: What's going on with Slashdot? (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21254913)

The difference is that you are logged in on the one with dynamic articles, and not on the static one.

Re:Off-topic: What's going on with Slashdot? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21256925)

Why is this moderated as a 'Funny' comment? I also have had this issue and would like to revert to the prior interface.

If it works....god bless em (4, Insightful)

Danathar (267989) | more than 6 years ago | (#21254849)

All I can say is getting LINUX to recognize sensors on various motherboards is a pain in the Ass. Any standardization in this area would be great.

Re:If it works....god bless em (1)

Lord Ender (156273) | more than 6 years ago | (#21260037)

What does LINUX stand for?

Re:If it works....god bless em (1)

evilviper (135110) | more than 6 years ago | (#21263463)

All I can say is getting LINUX to recognize sensors on various motherboards is a pain in the Ass.

First off, this isn't for sensors on the motherboard, but the likes of PSUs and water-cooling systems that don't currently have sensors, or at least not standard.

Second, you're absolutely right that reading sensors via the Linux means is a nightmare. Setting myself up for a troll mod here, I know, but I have to say the *BSDs have had the sensor problem all sewn up, for quite a while now. 'sysctl -a hw' properly lists sensor info for every motherboard I've tried it on (Some systems OpenBSD, some FreeBSD).

Even on my Linux system, after failing miserably in the long and messy attempt to get lm_sensors working right, I just installed xmbmon [kyushu-u.ac.jp] on Linux (it's a standalone program, designed for FreeBSD quite a while back) and in about 10 seconds I got all the sensor data, without the hassle.

USB sucks (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21254859)

I'd be a lot more interested in anything that didn't involve USB. The linked to article has very little information -- basically arrows pointing from clip art to other clip art -- but the mention of USB is enough to end my interest.

If I wanted to slow my CPU down, and screw around with figuring out what device the hardware was mapped to on this particular boot or port connection, I could buy a USB lab board with analog-to-digital ports on it and hook it up. But given that the point of hardware monitoring is usually to assure reliability and warn of failure, so that you can get better performance, why start out by using USB, which is known for hindering CPU performance and unreliability ?

Ummm....SMB? (3, Insightful)

Mateorabi (108522) | more than 6 years ago | (#21254941)

Isn't this what the System Management Bus (SMBus) is for? SMB also has the advantage of not requiring hubs to provide multiple ports since its a true multi-slave two wire bus. (Multi master, too.) Why not just provide a breakout connector on the motherboard to chain more devices? It is 100-400kbps but most of the peripherals don't need to report more than a few bits per second of diagnostic info anyway.

SMBus is a mess (4, Informative)

Wesley Felter (138342) | more than 6 years ago | (#21255509)

Today's motherboards use I2C/SMBus for sensor access, and it is a total mess. There are hundreds of models of sensor chips that need drivers, and there's no way to know the mapping from sensor numbers to the real world (which fan is "fan 0"?). Then some vendors add microcontrollers that are not on the SMBus and have totally undocumented interfaces (hello AIGuru). I haven't looked at ESA, but hopefully it solves some of these problems.

Re:Ummm....SMB? PMBus? (1)

Big Jojo (50231) | more than 6 years ago | (#21260903)

Also PMBus [wikipedia.org] , which standardizes much more of the relevant stuff.

For the record, SMBus maxes out at 100 Kbit/sec. PMBus allows 400 Kbit/sec, as does I2C. Neither of them is really intended to be a multi-master bus, except in the very limited sense that they define a way to send notifications from slave to master. (Though the alternative SMBALERT# mechanism seems much simpler... I think the "notification" thingie was designed to prevent a simple migration path from I2C, and promote fancier Intel southbridge or LPC chips.)

Yay, another truly wonder tech... (1)

inject_hotmail.com (843637) | more than 6 years ago | (#21254985)

that will be ignored by all the big OEMs and the general populace.

I don't mean to be a troll, because this is a great sounding idea, but anything I get excited about seems to fizzle long before it even gets a chance to shine.

I know that I'll support this tech, but, getting other people to see the light will be, quite frankly, impossible.

Oh I'm so excited (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21255057)

Why I'm sure Vista will be the least of my problems. Those nasty fans, power doohickies, whatchamacallits will wipe me out.

Excuse me, Dave (3, Funny)

Bill, Shooter of Bul (629286) | more than 6 years ago | (#21255215)

I've just picked up a fault in the AE35 unit. It's going to go 100% failure in 72 hours.

Enthusiast Investigation System Architecture? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21255319)

Seems to me that this could be better named?

"Enthusiast System Architecture"? When its really
more of an investigative or monitoring addition.

Hence, couldn't this be better named "Enthusiast Investigation System Architecture"?

EISA, for short? Oh, wait...

HID? (1)

greendoggg (667256) | more than 6 years ago | (#21255361)

Why are they trying to put this in the Human Interface Device part of USB when it isn't for a human interface? I think having this functionality would be great, but I'm curious why it's proposed to be in HID.

Why not SNMP? (3, Insightful)

smackenzie (912024) | more than 6 years ago | (#21255499)

Why don't they fold more video monitors (and enthusiast monitors like water temperature of water coolers) into SNMP or SNMP2? (Or have they already?) Why do we need another standard?

SNMP is an industry standard, well-supported, flexible with multiple attractive interfaces... pretty sure it can be realtime and has the added bonuses of being networkable by default.

Re:Why not SNMP? (1)

mikkelm (1000451) | more than 6 years ago | (#21255907)

You want to use SNMP for hardware-to-hardware capability querying? Sounds like it'd make more sense to develop some sort of low-overhead SCMP (yeah, you got it right) that SNMP could leverage.

Re:Why not SNMP? (1)

fifirebel (137361) | more than 6 years ago | (#21256817)

Ahem.

Maybe because SNMP is IP-based. Now you do not want to assign IP addresses for all the components inside your computer, do you?

And no, rendez-vous or mDNS (or whatever the name-du-jour is for IP autoconfiguration is at Apple today) is not an answer...

Re:Why not SNMP? (1)

smackenzie (912024) | more than 6 years ago | (#21257847)

You don't need an IP for every component, just each computer. You can use your local IP 127.0.0.1 without issue. Really, nVidia should just be working to make this latency-free for local monitoring. By the way, each SNMP instance on each computer can record dozens (or even hundreds) of monitors. Generally with a good SNMP agent / manager, every time you register a device (like a Dell server or an IBM laptop) it adds dozens of things to monitor, some of them extremely low-level.

Re:Why not SNMP? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21258121)

You don't need an IP for every component, just each computer.

How are you going to snmpwalk the powersupply if it doesn't have an ethernet jack and an ip stack of its own?

ETS is about getting the data from the powersupply to the rest of the system, where you can do whatever you want with it, including writing a plugin or something for your snmp server to query the powersupply as needed.

Re:Why not SNMP? (1)

DynamicPhil (785187) | more than 6 years ago | (#21264271)

sorry for the potential OT.
> Now you do not want to assign IP addresses for all the components inside your computer, do you?

... actually, I'm thinking you might be on to something here.

Think IPv6 (where address space wouldn't be a problem) - and monitoring a farm of computers for something (example Fan speed). You could have query:able fans in different PC cases, all by using some sort of internal routing in the pc, some policys what's accessable (firewalling disks, making fans "read only, e.t.c.), and some protocol (preferrably with low latency) to be able to speak with the fans internally/remotely....
Hm, I agree - I've not thought this through fully yet - but what would be the drawbacks here?

benefits?

Upon further contemplation... (2, Informative)

inject_hotmail.com (843637) | more than 6 years ago | (#21255667)

Again, this isn't a troll...I'm just a realist.

I just hope that the standard requires high-quality components, because I can see this backfiring. I have sold ASUS motherboards since I starting selling computers a few years back, and have had a lot of success (read: very very low RMA rate). Even though I choose to include only high-quality components, I have seen a situation where the motherboard -thought- it was running over temperature and began throttling itself (ASUS P4S800-X I think it was)...and this happened on 90% of those specific boards I sold (10% had celeron chips, which run 10C cooler or so). Mind you, I'd rather have an erroneous overtemp than undertemp. Anyway, ASUS claimed that there is and was nothing wrong with their boards. Meanwhile, many other people suffered the same situation, even after BIOS updates and thermal repasting. Obviously ASUS tried something different (cheaper?) and it sucked.

Having said that, if this is all going to work, please, for the love of our computer gods, oh please, only use high-quality parts so us techs don't have to suffer so much.

Re:Upon further contemplation... (1)

Pingh (1130313) | more than 6 years ago | (#21257081)

I actually had a very similiar, but on the opposite end of the spectrum. I bought 2 Asus P5K's and set them up with identical processors. The Asus P5K comes with Asus Suite (has all these features like AI Nap, QFan, AI Nos, etc.) On the first board Asus Suite reports the cpu temperature being 15C, and the case being 33C. On the second board Asus Suite reports the cpu temperature being 22C and the case being 33C. These numbers were completely off because even with standard cooling I couldn't bring the core temps to room temperature, or even below room temperature. I ended up using CoreTemp to figure out the internal temperature, as every program that queried the bios would return the same erroneous values.

Re:Upon further contemplation... (1)

inject_hotmail.com (843637) | more than 6 years ago | (#21268265)

Wow...that's nuts. I can't imagine that ASUS could squirm its way out of that problem with "Oh, it's the right temp". Below room temp? Clearly an impossibility.

The P5K boards are supposed to be the upper echelon, no?...that's pretty said that they have such a flaw.

When you say "case", which sensor are you referring to? Do you mean chipset? Or is there another sensor I'm not aware of?

Great! More things to not support (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21256487)

Too bad they don't spend more time fixing the drivers for products they've already made.

Will it help with diagnostics? (1)

jandrese (485) | more than 6 years ago | (#21256803)

One thing the PC architecture is seriously lacking on is hardware diagnostics. If you have a machine that's crashing with when booted off of CD in your known-stable OS, it's a pain in the rear to track down what piece of hardware is causing the crashes. The almost complete lack of hardware diagnostics (work on a big iron machine once to see how good life can be with real diagnostic tools) means you're almost always reduced to just pulling out/swapping random bits of hardware until it stops crashing. This is slow and error prone, and doesn't work very well if you have say a faulty power supply that burnt up a cap on the motherboard, giving you two points of failure.

If something could monitor the voltage on every piece of hardware and tell me when something is out of spec, or when you start getting lots of parity errors on a bus, or when your ECC memory detects too many errors (as if you can get ECC memory for PCs anymore). If you spend a lot of time on it, you can get some of that functionality today with tons of proprietary pieces that don't integrate with each other. We have been long overdue for some standardization. I would have even been happy with standardizing SMBus stuff, but a completely new bus works too. I hope enthusiast boards get into races to see who can instrument the most parts of their board, since that's the sort of thing that would let manufacturers discover what is useful and what isn't in the long run and let it trickle down into the regular boards.

give us some fanservice (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21257747)

Come on Nvidia how about a little fan service since you live here, I want the name as: Unified System Architecture

Proprietary and undocumented, as usual (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21259775)

Fuck NVIDIA in the ass. I'm still waiting for them to release the documentation for their proprietary and undocumented GPUs. Go AMD/ATI!

Glass

Re:Proprietary and undocumented, as usual (1)

SJ2000 (1128057) | more than 6 years ago | (#21260867)

Their not much better either.
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