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The PSP's Comeback Trail

Zonk posted more than 6 years ago | from the not-going-down-without-a-fight dept.

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Next Generation has up a feature on the rising fortunes of Sony's PSP. Overlooked for quite some time now as the DS dominates the headlines, the article argues that the handheld console still has a lot to offer ... and people are starting to notice. "Sony has always commanded strong third-party support for its systems since the success of the original PlayStation, and [senior PSP marketing manager John Koller] believes that PSP developers are similarly finding ways to get creative and present fun titles. 'Upcoming launches such as God of War: Chains of Olympus from a first-party perspective, and Star Wars Battlefront: Renegade Squadron from LucasArts, are certainly good examples of fantastic franchises made unique on the PSP,' he says. 'It's clear that consumers do not want the same game on their PSP that they play on console.'"

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148 comments

PSP (0)

HAVOC0301 (991818) | more than 6 years ago | (#21270301)

I haved one of the 1st out of stores. I have loved it and plan on selling mine and getting the 2.0 slim version. I have like 20 games and 10 movies on it and is a god send when stuck in an airport for 4 hrs.

Re:PSP (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21270787)

I love my PSP. I bought a Nintendo DS first, but got a PSP not long after. This was all recent. I find myself more attached to the PSP and it's video playback capabilities than my DS. All that really interests me about my DS is Phoenix Wright.

Re:PSP (1)

htnprm (176191) | more than 6 years ago | (#21274831)

Yeah. I bought my PSP (+ 4GB Memory Stick) as a PMP. Couldn't beat it (Though transcoding was annoying if I'd just finished downloading/recording something and I needed to run out the door and wanted to watch it then). My VAIO VGN-UX17GP is pulling PMP duty nowadays, but I wouldn't have even bought the VAIO if I'd been able to get a keyboard for the PSP. I mean, c'mon! WiFi + browser + keyboard. The thing would rock. Damn you for killing the Logic 3 keyboard [joystiq.com] Sony!

Me and my (2, Interesting)

bencass (1030748) | more than 6 years ago | (#21270311)

I've always liked the potential of the system. Just the other week I bought a slim (Mostly for FFT:TWotL). I'm really looking forward to having more games to choose from. I think Sony finally has an opportunity to really get the ball rolling here.

Re:Me and my (1)

Gideon Fubar (833343) | more than 6 years ago | (#21273675)

FFT is ok.. but i've just started my fourth independent runthrough of Disgaea.

Far superior. Much longer (especially if you get into it past the storyline), more complex, loads of unlockables, etc..

disclaimer: i figure if i promote the damn game enough, nippon ichi will actually make more of them ;)

Not very clear (4, Insightful)

hansamurai (907719) | more than 6 years ago | (#21270323)

'Upcoming launches such as God of War: Chains of Olympus from a first-party perspective, and Star Wars Battlefront: Renegade Squadron from LucasArts, are certainly good examples of fantastic franchises made unique on the PSP,' he says. 'It's clear that consumers do not want the same game on their PSP that they play on console.'
Actually, it's not clear at all when you list God of War and Star Wars Battlefronts as examples, basically more ports (original story or not) of console games.

Re:Not very clear (1)

Sciros (986030) | more than 6 years ago | (#21270755)

You're right in noticing that. And I'd actually say it's not at all true that people do not want the same game on their PSP/DS that they play on console. Some of the most popular games on both handhelds are very much console-style games, from Mario Kart DS to Castlevania. People just want "more good things," whether or not they are different from what they've seen in the past.

Speaking of which, when are we going to get Starcraft on Wii? :-P

Re:Not very clear (1)

aichpvee (631243) | more than 6 years ago | (#21271705)

Wasn't the whole point of it to be more like a home console than other portables? I don't even see how anyone could expect to get something different or unique on PSP, except for the usual quirky titles that can get greenlit on a handheld but not on a home console.

Re:Not very clear (1)

spiderbitendeath (577712) | more than 6 years ago | (#21273097)

Starcraft on Wii would be awsome.

I'm waiting for next fall, Civilization for Wii.

Sony's alleged 2D ban (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 6 years ago | (#21276863)

Some of the most popular games on both handhelds are very much console-style games, from Mario Kart DS to Castlevania.
I'm under the impression that platform exploration franchises [tvtropes.org] moved to handhelds in part because Sony Computer Entertainment America didn't want original sprite-based games on its hardware.

Also to point out... (1)

Moryath (553296) | more than 6 years ago | (#21272095)

SW: Battlefront for PSP is virtually unplayably bad.

I don't expect much for GoW either.

Some of the best titles for the PSP are the PSX rebuilds, as long as you don't need to juggle L1/L2/R1/R2.

Sony's biggest problem for the PSP? They didn't think harder on their button layout.

Re:Also to point out... (1)

G Fab (1142219) | more than 6 years ago | (#21273133)

I agree that battefront on PSP is terrible, but the renegade squadron title is actually pretty damn great. It's still more or less an expanded port, but it's a high quality game.

Re:Not very clear (1)

KrazeeEyezKilla (955150) | more than 6 years ago | (#21272489)

While I don't know much about the new god of war, the new Battlefront game was optimized for PSP and has more simplified "portable" style controls and gameplay

Re:Not very clear (1)

hansamurai (907719) | more than 6 years ago | (#21273559)

But simplified controls isn't all that is important to portable games. I personally think the most important is being able to start and stop at virtually any time. Many Nintendo DS games do this really well by allowing you to save whenever you want and getting back into the game takes about 10 seconds after a cold start. Not to mention being able to just close the DS, telling it to hibernate.

It's a portable game, that usually implies it is some kind of secondary action, whether you're in a bus, waiting at the airport, or playing in bed, being able to stop right now can be very important. I'll let Slashdot try to figure out that last one.

Re:Not very clear (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21276879)

The PSP has a very good hibernate/standby feature making starting and stopping exactly as easy as the DS. Load times are only an issue if you're swapping games or going to the XMB.

When my Metro stop comes up, the unit is paused in a flash and right back up again as soon as I hit my transfer train. The initial load time of the DS is something to envy, but in the situations you describe, the PSP does every bit as well.

BTW, battery usage in standby is very minimal. I'll leave it like that for days with no problem.

Re:Not very clear (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21274989)

Actually, it's not clear at all when you list God of War and Star Wars Battlefronts as examples, basically more ports (original story or not) of console games.

Be careful of what you label a "port." It looks like you're lumping basically all franchise versions including sequels into the "port" category. Based on that definition at least six of the top ten DS games on Amazon (as of the time I wrote this) are all ports:

Brain Age 2: More Training in Minutes a Day by Nintendo : Port
Brain Age by Nintendo : Original
The Legend of Zelda: Phantom Hourglass by Nintendo : Port
New Super Mario Bros. by Nintendo of America : Port
Flash Focus: Vision Training in Minutes a Day by Nintendo : Unknown
Mario Kart by Nintendo of America : Port
Disney's High School Musical: Making the Cut by Disney : Unknown
Lego Star Wars: The Complete Saga by LucasArts Entertainment : Port
Pokemon Diamond by Nintendo : Port
Hannah Montana: Music Jam by Disney : Unknown

Yeah, I like completely new stuff too, but since the VG industry, including publishers, press and even consumers, has become so enamored with the term "franchise," we're getting a whole lot of spin-offs and sequels. If you don't like this, at least spread the blame, cause ALL current gen platforms are doing this for a large percentage, and probably the vast majority, of their titles.

Re:Not very clear (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21276515)

Um, God of War and Star Wars Battlefront for the PSP are both considered to be spin-offs by the developers (God of War being a "side story" and Battlefront just being from a different perspective which practically even Star Wars game does.)

switch media type (5, Interesting)

netsavior (627338) | more than 6 years ago | (#21270335)

Optical media always has and always will suck. Solid state is the only reasonable media for a handheld device. I think it's short sighted and quite stupid to expect people to carry giant, slow loading UMDs.

I keep 4 DS games in my WALLET at all times, I keep my DS Lite in my pocket and the outside gets scratched to hell, but of course since the clamshell design protects the screens, the device is still as playable as the day I got it. Somehow I doubt the PSP would hold up to the abuse I dish out to the DS Lite daily.

Re:switch media type (1)

poot_rootbeer (188613) | more than 6 years ago | (#21270583)

Solid state is the only reasonable media for a handheld device.

I dunno; the iPod seems to have done quite well for itself using a good old Winchester drive for storage.

But then again, playing MP3s or videos uses an almost entirely linear disk access pattern; dealing with the random-access requirements of portable gaming is another issue entirely.

Re:switch media type (1, Troll)

vertinox (846076) | more than 6 years ago | (#21270943)

Optical media always has and always will suck. Solid state is the only reasonable media for a handheld device.

Why is this modded flamebait? Its true. If Sony really had the business brains, they would allow down loadable content to SSD memory sticks as most people do with the ripped movies and homebrew apps.

Heck, if they really had the balls they allow a legitimate method for PSP users to actually rip their games to SSD, but they seem to be so against that. Actually, people already do that for "backups" and other illegitimate uses, but I don't see why you couldn't have this done official with the proper checks.

To be fair, I'm disappointed with the gimmicky download station system Nintendo has. The potential is there for downloading demos and full games to flash cartridge that would fit in the GBA slot, but you can't just use your home wifi without using 3rd party utilities and finding the image of the game/demo which is not all that legal but I digress.

The PSP has the potential for a great SSD system. You can probaly buy a hefty memory stick that you could fit several games on which not only save you from having to lug several mini-cds around (and worry about getting scratched) but you save battery power as well.

Re:switch media type (1)

Stevecrox (962208) | more than 6 years ago | (#21272339)

You realise they do allow downloadable content (just like the PS3) the thing is they don't big it up, The wipeout game for it is probably the best example out of my collection I've gained about 10 tracks a bout 5/6 new songs, an extra vehicle or two as well as a new race mode. I know its not an entire game but its amazing how much it can help.

Your comment about "scratching the disk" is kinda stupid, UMD is alot like mini-disc (there in a big protective case), my Wipeout disc from launch day still works fine and has been quite abused. I would love to be able to install a disc onto the PSP and play it off the system but only for battery reasons you actually have to shake my PSP quite hard to get it to skip and even then it recovers well.

Re:switch media type (1)

rarel (697734) | more than 6 years ago | (#21271475)

I have a PSP since June and I'm a long time Minidisc user. I can't for the life of me figure out why they took out the major protection that was the little cover on the discs. Changing the form factor from MD to UMD was already stupid (business my ass), but that particular move was beyond retarded.

Solid state is the only reasonable media (2, Interesting)

palladiate (1018086) | more than 6 years ago | (#21271663)

I'll agree that "Solid state is the only reasonable media for a handheld device."

I've washed some DS games a few times in the laundry. When in the hospital, I vomited on a cartridge once too. No damage, the labels looked fine, and they play no problem.

I know washing a minidisc will kill it, but I don't know about a UMD. I can't imagine a UMD being nearly as rugged.

Re:switch media type (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21272069)

Get an R4 with a microSD card. You'll be able to free up some space in your wallet (in more ways than one).

Re:switch media type (1)

Frogbert (589961) | more than 6 years ago | (#21274087)

Good for you. I keep 6 PSP games on my memory stick at all times, plus a heap of homebrew and C64 Roms.

I hope so (1)

JoshJ (1009085) | more than 6 years ago | (#21270349)

Square put the FFT remake on the PSP. I want the FFT remake, but I'm not about to buy the PSP for just one game. It's the games, stupid- there's only really one "must buy" PSP game for me (and about 3 or 4 others I'd pick up if I already had a PSP) and that just doesn't cut it.

Re:I hope so (1)

hudsonhawk (148194) | more than 6 years ago | (#21270407)

If you like SRPG's then you should really check out Jeanne D'arc - it's a deeper Fire Emblem with a fantastic story.

Also, Disagea would probably be a no-brainer for you.

Re:I hope so (1)

ByOhTek (1181381) | more than 6 years ago | (#21270771)

S/He probably meant in terms of removable storage. A removable HDD would be a pain in the butt to deal with on portables (please, no pun jokes about inserting the game in the wrong place...)

In such a case, solid state does seem to be the way to go. Then again, if it is at all cost effective, short of going back to floppies, anything is better than optical.

Re:I hope so (1)

JoshJ (1009085) | more than 6 years ago | (#21271961)

I have Disgaea on the PS2, and I don't really care that much for the insane amount of grinding that goes into it. I want the FFT remake in large part due to the retranslation, but I'd definitely consider Jeanne D'arc if I got a PSP. The problem is really that it simply isn't worth it to me to get a PSP when there are so few other games on it I want.

Re:I hope so (5, Informative)

superbus1929 (1069292) | more than 6 years ago | (#21271851)

If you like FFT, then pick up a PSP RIGHT NOW. There are incredible games for that system in that genre; it's literally got the best RPGs and strategy games on the market.

Just a sampling:

* Jeanne D'Arc - Take FFT and Fire Emblem. Have them fuck. Take the child, and put it in the Hundred Years War. Add in magic transforming armour and British soldier ZOMBIES. Hit puree. This is probably the best strategy game out for this system that didn't come out years ago.

* Disagea - The same game as the PS2 version, with additions.

* Generations of Chaos 1 + 2 - Decent games from the same people that did Disagea.

In addition to those, there's a host of JRPGs, such as Riviera (which I don't particularly care for), three Legends of Heroes games, and a few others from NiS (Disagea). It's an awesome system.

Re:I hope so (1)

Just Some Guy (3352) | more than 6 years ago | (#21272305)

If you like FFT, then pick up a PSP RIGHT NOW. There are incredible games for that system in that genre; it's literally got the best RPGs and strategy games on the market.

Awesome! I didn't realize they'd ported "Zelda: Phantom Hourglass" and "Final Fantasy III" from DS to the PSP.

Re:I hope so (1)

bigstrat2003 (1058574) | more than 6 years ago | (#21272619)

I can't speak for Zelda, but FF3, at least, is a pretty bad RPG all things considered. I'm glad I played it (I'm an FF nut), and it's amusing to an extent, but the plot is absolutely horrid. It wouldn't be hard for any RPG at all to outclass FF3.

Re:I hope so (1)

MMaestro (585010) | more than 6 years ago | (#21276599)

FF3 had a plot?!

I played through the fan translated NES version and the DS version is nothing more than a graphically upgraded version of the NES version. That said, you're basically comparing a game's plot written in 1990 for the NES to modern RPGs. Hardly a fair comparison.

Re:I hope so (1)

bigstrat2003 (1058574) | more than 6 years ago | (#21276703)

Technically, yes. Emphasis on the word "technically". ;)

I know that the plot in FF3 is on par with what's expected for its time, but for better or for worse, it is competing against modern RPGs. It has fun combat, and is good for fans of the series for nostalgia-ish purposes, but for RPG fans in general, I'd give it a pass.

Re:I hope so (1)

superbus1929 (1069292) | more than 6 years ago | (#21273105)

Phantom Hourglass is a bastardized version of Zelda, and not even an RPG in it's own right.

FFIII is the lone bastion of decent RPGs on the DS; everything else RPG wise is either action based, or cookie cutter (why hello there Pokemon).

Re:I hope so (1)

Jammet (709764) | more than 6 years ago | (#21274509)

Zelda isn't a roleplaying game. Final Fantasy III isn't that great either.

It is true - the PSP has the best strategy RPGs. The DS has Luminous Arc and Final Fantasy Tactics A2, which are pretty good and put up a tough fight, but clearly the PSP has more high quality SRPGs to offer with Wild Arms XF and others coming up.

Lumi-what? (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 6 years ago | (#21276977)

The DS has Luminous Arc
Why did they have to name a game on a Nintendo handheld after a PSP puzzle game that's still a Sony/Microsoft exclusive?

Soukou Kihei... (1)

Tetsujin (103070) | more than 6 years ago | (#21272497)

* Jeanne D'Arc - Take FFT and Fire Emblem. Have them fuck. Take the child, and put it in the Hundred Years War.
Hey, you figure the kid might have what it takes to get into the special forces? I hear those Red Shoulders are some bad-ass motherfuckers... Would drink the blood of their own mothers from the broken skulls of their best friends, and set a town on fire just to warm it up...

FFT??? really?? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21276537)

I always wanted a fast fourier transform program for my psp!! now it's here!! k thx gg.. sorry :(

DarkAlex (1)

celardore (844933) | more than 6 years ago | (#21270403)

It's just a shame Dark Alex has retired.

Re:DarkAlex (1)

tit0.c (245434) | more than 6 years ago | (#21271857)

The homebrew scene is still very much alive though.I havent kept up with the news site lately since I started a new job and slashdot is enough of a time waster, but I believe there's still new custom firmware coming out for the PSP.
I bought mine around 2 months ago, immediately downgraded it and have been using the hell out of it.I have a ton of SNES,NES and GB roms on it and some movies on my 4gb memory stick
I'd like to get a PSP slim for the TV out but I'm not sure how the homebrew scene is coming along with it.

What, more of the same? (3, Interesting)

Steeltalon (734391) | more than 6 years ago | (#21270413)

The PSP, much like the PS3, is an albatross. Sony got locked into the idea that all that people wanted was more of the same but with better graphics... That and the mistaken idea that everyone wants to play Sony formatted movies on their game systems. I remember when the PSP was coming out and a bunch of my friends were all yammering about how cool it was that the PSP played movies. I'd already had the benefit of tagging along to E3 with a game company that I did some stuff for, and tried out the DS. Right then I knew that the DS had something new to offer. The PSP movies? All that I could think was "Why would I want to buy the same movie twice?" Sony is hugely disconnected with the market. They just don't seem to understand what players want and seem to be more interested in telling them what they should want. That's why the PSP tanked, that's why the PS3 tanked. If each of them is starting to show some life now, it's not necessarily because Sony understands the gaming consumer any better. More than likely it's a response to price cuts and unavailability of the desired alternative platforms (Wii and DS, X360 with Halo 3, etc..)

Re:What, more of the same? (2, Interesting)

ubrgeek (679399) | more than 6 years ago | (#21270599)

Plus, even if you did want to watch movies, it better be damn near pitch black out or else you won't be able to see anything on the damn screen. That's the biggest reason my PSP sits in my office on a shelf: Unless I want to use it outside between the hours of 2100 and 0600, it's only good for playing when I'm inside.

Re:What, more of the same? (3, Insightful)

ucblockhead (63650) | more than 6 years ago | (#21270749)

Selling 26 million devices is "tanking"?

Re:What, more of the same? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21271591)

It is if you're an idiotic "Sony is teh suX0rs"-type. Let's not get facts get in the way of a good trolling.

Re:What, more of the same? (1)

Steeltalon (734391) | more than 6 years ago | (#21273223)

"Sony is teh suX0rs"? \/\/3|| 1f y0|_| \/\/4|\|+ +0 |23|)|_|(3 |\/|y 4|2g|_||\/|3|\|+ +0 +|-|4+, +|-|3|\| f1|\|3. How about if we put it this way... Leading up to the launch of the Nintendo DS, all that I heard, non-stop, was how the PSP was the greatest system every made, blah, blah, blah, blah. Plays movies, blah blah, better graphics, blah, blah. Some months later, the DS was absolutely crushing it in sales numbers. Even now, while I'll admit that the PSP is doing better than, say, Gamegear, it's still not coming close to living up to the hype produced for it. So, while it's not a catastrophic failure, the marketing bullshit to revenue ratio is less than favorable... especially when you factor in that UMD was a spectacular failure in the vein of Betamax (the studios no longer being at all interested in it and all). The fact of the matter is that Sony is having its lunch eaten on two fronts now with the PSP not having the expected market and the PS3s sales having been vastly overestimated.

Re:What, more of the same? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21273857)

You're the kind of blowhard that would be perfect on Fox News

Re:What, more of the same? (1)

Steeltalon (734391) | more than 6 years ago | (#21274983)

And I should interpret this as more than a troll, why?

Re:What, more of the same? (3, Informative)

drinkypoo (153816) | more than 6 years ago | (#21274135)

Selling 26 million devices is "tanking"?

Point the first: Sony made a loss on every PSP for at least the first two years, while the GBA, GBA SP, and DS all sold at a profit.

Point the second: Sony's gaming division posted losses for quite some time after the PSP was released.

Point the third: Over 110 million units sold for GB and GBC combined, over 80 million GBAs and SPs. Each unit sold at a profit. 25 million PSPs sold? That's not just chicken scratch, that's chicken shit - especially given how many were sold at a loss.

Selling 25 million units of anything doesn't automatically denote success. You have to actually make money.

Re:What, more of the same? (1)

feepness (543479) | more than 6 years ago | (#21277043)

Point the third: Over 110 million units sold for GB and GBC combined, over 80 million GBAs and SPs. Each unit sold at a profit. 25 million PSPs sold? That's not just chicken scratch, that's chicken shit - especially given how many were sold at a loss.
So which direction is Nintendo headed and in which is Sony headed?

Re:What, more of the same? (2, Insightful)

sexconker (1179573) | more than 6 years ago | (#21270973)

As I recall, an albatross was a ship's good luck, till some fool shot it.

Re:What, more of the same? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21272007)

Playing movies on the PSP would be cool if they did it right. Doing it right, of course, would be providing a way to copy a standard DVD movie to a UMD (without whatever extra clipping/compression you'd need to fit it on the smaller media). Unfortunately, we'll never see anything that customer friendly.

An albatross has a lot of lift (1)

SuperKendall (25149) | more than 6 years ago | (#21274489)

The PSP, much like the PS3, is an albatross.

Albatrosses actually can generate a lot of lift with the large wings they have.

I used to think the PSP was a failure too. But then about a year or two, I actually saw PSP sales figures - they were pretty good.

The thing is that the DS sales figures are supernova spectacular, and that is blinding everyone to the fact the PSP is indeed a success in it's own right, just not on the same scale.

P.S. Albatrosses are actually also good luck. It's only when you attempt to kill them as you are doing, that fortune turns...

Did you mean Spruce Goose? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21275295)

I'm still laughing too much to take the rest of your post seriously.

sony's problem (4, Insightful)

loafula (1080631) | more than 6 years ago | (#21270429)

with the ps3 and psp is that the technology they choose is ahead of its time. this translates into slow starts with their systems, as the hardware in the systems is beyond the price range of what people want to pay.
the upside of this is that it ensures longevity of a system if and when popularity takes hold.
the psp is a great little gadget that, much like the ps3, got off to a slow start. /P

Re:sony's problem (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21270923)

Actually, the problem is that the PSP's hardware is NOT ahead of its time. It's an ancient MIPS processor, which is related to the PS2, not to the PS3 which is a Cell. Tie that to a proprietary nonstandard optical format, and the conclusion is, the PSP is a dead-end design.

Re:sony's problem (1)

aichpvee (631243) | more than 6 years ago | (#21271841)

Compared to the hardware in competing handhelds? Are you fucking retarded?

Re:sony's problem (1)

loafula (1080631) | more than 6 years ago | (#21272355)

because he posted as an AC; either he knows he's wrong, or he values his slashdot karma more than his own opinion. so either he's retarded, or he's just a loser.

Re:sony's problem (2, Insightful)

bigstrat2003 (1058574) | more than 6 years ago | (#21272663)

I hate to point this out, but that doesn't follow, as much as people like to claim it does around here. I posted AC for years before I made an account, simply because I posted infrequently enough that I didn't feel like putting forth the effort to register. Not all ACs are people hiding because of an unpopular opinion/bad argument.

Re:sony's problem (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 6 years ago | (#21277023)

Actually, the problem is that the PSP's hardware is NOT ahead of its time. It's an ancient MIPS processor
What CPU architecture would have been better than MIPS? Does the ARM CPU used in, say, Pocket PC devices have a significant advantage over a MIPS CPU? How much current does a Cell CPU draw?

It's not about PSP vs. DS (4, Insightful)

Kohath (38547) | more than 6 years ago | (#21270459)

The press continues to miss the story on the PSP. The story is that Sony sold a lot of PSPs. Sony now shares the handheld market with Nintendo, instead of Nintendo more-or-less owning the entire market. That's a success. The PSP is a success with over 25 million sold so far.

Going forward, the PSP still has the technical capabilities and the software development to be a competitive product for 2-3 more years at least.

Re:It's not about PSP vs. DS (1)

Stefanwulf (1032430) | more than 6 years ago | (#21270929)

The PSP is a success with over 25 million sold so far.
Do you have a link to those numbers? I've been poking around, but I'm having trouble finding anything more recent than March 31, 2007 (pre-PSP-slim), when Sony was reporting 9.77 million sold worldwide, with 25.39 million shipped. (http://www.scei.co.jp/corporate/data/bizdatapsp_sale_e.html/ [scei.co.jp] and http://www.scei.co.jp/corporate/data/bizdatapsp_e.html [scei.co.jp] , respectively)

Re:It's not about PSP vs. DS (2, Informative)

Derekloffin (741455) | more than 6 years ago | (#21271303)

That's 9.77 for 2006, ie 1 year, not cumulative.

Re:It's not about PSP vs. DS (1)

Stefanwulf (1032430) | more than 6 years ago | (#21271599)

Good catch - that'll teach me to post sources without looking at them more carefully.

Since the start of 2006 it looks like that page sums to 14.49 million units sold, but the PSP appears to have been shipping (at least in Asia) since December 2004. That still leaves us with roughly a year unaccounted for, and while it doesn't seem impossible for that year to include ~10.5 million sales, It'd still be cool to find actual numbers.

Re:It's not about PSP vs. DS (1)

Kohath (38547) | more than 6 years ago | (#21274907)

Sony says 25 million shipped [scei.co.jp] as of March 31, 2007.

I guess technically that's a "shipped" number, but technically, it was also 6 months ago and Sony has sold some PSPs since then.

Re:It's not about PSP vs. DS (1)

AuMatar (183847) | more than 6 years ago | (#21271739)

Seeing the DS has sold 55 million, no Sony doesn't share the market. With a 70% marketshare for Nintendo, sony is just a me-too player.

Re:It's not about PSP vs. DS (1)

Serge_Tomiko (1178965) | more than 6 years ago | (#21271849)

You obviously know nothing of business. 30% market share is typically considered extraordinary in practically every other business.

Re:It's not about PSP vs. DS (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21272335)

30% market share is considered extraordinary in most businesses because most businesses have more than one competitor. Certainly Sony isn't doing terrible in the handheld market, but 30% in a two-player market is far from extraordinary.

Re:It's not about PSP vs. DS (1)

hardburn (141468) | more than 6 years ago | (#21273201)

Even the ones that effectively have only two competing players?

Re:It's not about PSP vs. DS (1)

Pluvius (734915) | more than 6 years ago | (#21272561)

Nice how you conveniently forget to mention that Nintendo has never before had lower than 90% marketshare in the entire history of portable video-gaming. In that light, the PSP is not "just a me-too player."

Rob

Re:It's not about PSP vs. DS (1)

rtechie (244489) | more than 6 years ago | (#21275777)

I think his point is more that the PSP isn't the complete disaster that previous non-Nintendo handhelds (Sega Game Gear, NeoGeo Pocket, etc.) have been. It's enough of a success that the "PSP2" stands a shot at beating Nintendo.

My PSP story (since others are sharing) (4, Interesting)

Pojut (1027544) | more than 6 years ago | (#21270571)

When I bought my PSP, I originally did so with two purposes in mind: EBook reader (plenty of freeware out there to convert .lit and .pdf files to be viewable on the screen perfectly) and movie player (again, plenty of good quality freeware conversion software out there) Here and there I bought a couple games (Monster Hunter 2, Daxter, etc.), but I primarily bought one for it's uses other than gaming.

A month or so ago, I finally got around to modding mine so as to be able to play roms and utilize the (huge) homebrew scene...best move I ever made. I have since bought a 4 gig memory card, and currently have every NES, SNES, Genesis/game gear, game boy games on it as well as a decent amount of GBA and MAME roms. I use the homebrew scene to help control my home theater, play movies better, and just make the interface look nicer. Unlike many others, I have no plans to actually download any PSP ISO's (except manhunt 2, just to try out the uncensored version...it's just as bad of a game, not really worth the time)

In fact, I like the ability to do all this so much that I recently bought both my fiance AND my best bud a PSP, just so that they could have the same fun I am having. Yes yes eys, I know there is a lot of talk about roms and such, but sitll...doing this has breathed new life into my PSP, and has actually gotten me more interested in buying PSP games than I was before (primarily because I used to simply like the system...now I love it) Add to that the non-shiny outerbody casing I bought, coupled with a very good but very inexpensive screen saver (screws onto the two mounting holes on top, and flips down over the screen when you aren't using it, protecting it from scratches), my PSP is likely one of my favourite gaming objects for the time being.

Despite Sony's efforts to thwart homebrew on it, homebrew is the very reason they got more money out of me and my friends than they would have if it were not possible. If you are into emulation or just plain messing around with your gadgets, the PSP is your best bet as far as portable gaming is concerned...as far as actual games goes, the DS blows the PSP out of the water, but the PSP still has some decent games out there for it...much like a PS3 (for now) however, don't buy it expecting to play a lot of great NEW games on it.

Re:My PSP story (since others are sharing) (2, Informative)

hidannik (1085061) | more than 6 years ago | (#21271093)

I think that folks like you are such a tiny minority that you don't figure into Sony's calculations at all.

What I believe Sony is legitimately afraid of is homebrew capabilities being used to pirate games. Easy homebrew equals easy piracy (unless you design for a sandboxed homebrew from the outset, like Microsoft's XNA Studio). That in turn equals a precipitate drop in game sales, which is where Sony gets a lot of its profit.

Hans

Re:My PSP story (since others are sharing) (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21271221)

the nintendo DS doesn't do emulation? since when?

Re:My PSP story (since others are sharing) (2, Funny)

tilandal (1004811) | more than 6 years ago | (#21271297)

So you use Sony's hardware to steal software from Nintendo and Sega. Thats a shining example of why people should buy the PSP alright.

Re:My PSP story (since others are sharing) (1)

Pojut (1027544) | more than 6 years ago | (#21271387)

Other than the few games on the Virtual Console, how am I stealing from Nintendo or Sega? If I were to buy the actual games for the actual consoles, it would come from Ebay or my local used game shop, which means those companies wouldn't get that money anyway.

Or what about games that were never released in the US, such as Secret of Mana 3? How is it stealing for me download a game that I had no way of buying in the first place?

Lemme guess, import the game right? If I did that, it sure wouldn't be from Nintendo or Sega, it would be from a private company. And whether I bought it from them or not, that private company would have already obtained it from Nintendo or Sega, which means they were already paid for that copy.

Emulating a game in which the company still MANUFACTURES AND SELLS BRAND NEW COPIES OF could be considered stealing I suppose...but when some of these games haven't even been MADE (much less sold brand new) in 15-20 years, and the only way that I can buy it doesn't translate into a single penny of revenue for the original development company, how is that stealing?

Re:My PSP story (since others are sharing) (1)

Zerimar (1124785) | more than 6 years ago | (#21271497)

Who cares what you consider stealing - the law considers you stealing the intellectual property of Sega and Nintendo.

Re:My PSP story (since others are sharing) (1)

Pojut (1027544) | more than 6 years ago | (#21271779)

Who cares what the law considers - have you considered you are a tight-ass?

I mean, really, think about your statement...I want to play these games, the only way for me to legally obtain these games would result in ZERO money going to the company ANYWAY, so what difference does it make to them (morally, anyways) if I download them? I don't care about the legality of it...you break a law every time you go over the speed limit, yet still do it. Why? Cause you don't care. Just like I don't care that I am obtaining a game that I would have no way of obtaining from the manufacturer.

Unless you have some way of letting me know how I could possibly buy secret of mana 3 directly from nintendo, I will continue to do so.

Re:My PSP story (since others are sharing) (1)

Semptimilius (917640) | more than 6 years ago | (#21273051)

How many of those games you have on your PSP are available on the Wii's virtual console. (No need to post numbers, just make a list for yourself. Keep in mind the list of VC games grows.) I'm sure you have such gems as SMB3, ALTTP. Really, you should just download PSP games. There is no difference with what you're doing otherwise.

Re:My PSP story (since others are sharing) (1)

Pojut (1027544) | more than 6 years ago | (#21273209)

Off the top of my head, 5 that I can think of.

As far as not downloading PSP games, I don't do it for two reasons.

1. As with any console I mod, I do still buy games for it (my 360 is a perfect example of this...the last 6 games I have obtained for it were bought, not downloaded and burned)
2. PSP games take up a large amount of space on a memory stick (this may seem like the primary reason, but it's not. I recognize hard work, and I recognize what I enjoy. If I download a game, and really enjoy it, I will generally end up buying it. Many games (Bioshock and the Orange Box are the best recent examples) I will buy outright without downloading them because I support the companies that made them.
3. Nearly every single game (with the exception of a few GBA games) that I have roms for can no longer be purchased new...they have to come from ebay or a private used videogame store...whether I buy them or download them, the manufacturer and publisher do not see a single cent for my purchase anyway.

Hypocritical, stupid, just plain bad...take your pick. Those are my reasons.

Re:My PSP story (since others are sharing) (1)

aichpvee (631243) | more than 6 years ago | (#21271901)

Actually the law does not consider it stealing, it considers it some form of copyright infringement. By disagreeing with the GP I guess you're suggesting that buying a used game is also "stealing" from the original developer/publisher/IP owner?

Re:My PSP story (since others are sharing) (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 6 years ago | (#21277097)

By disagreeing with the GP I guess you're suggesting that buying a used game is also "stealing" from the original developer/publisher/IP owner?

Copying a game from the Internet, even if you own a lawfully made copy on a ROM cartridge, is probably copyright infringement. Buying a used game cartridge from a seller within your country is not copyright infringement in the United States and other countries that have exhaustion of exclusive distribution rights at first sale.

Re:My PSP story (since others are sharing) (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 6 years ago | (#21277069)

the law considers you stealing the intellectual property of Sega and Nintendo.

First, a point of rhetoric: The U.S. copyright statute (Title 17, U.S. Code) doesn't call infringement "stealing"; it calls it "infringement". And copyright statute doesn't call copyrights "intellectual"; it calls them "copyrights".

Besides, doesn't the act of deliberately taking a work out of print make a statement about the copyright owner's idea of "the potential market for or value of the copyrighted work" [bitlaw.com] , or more specifically, the lack thereof?

Re:My PSP story (since others are sharing) (1)

LWATCDR (28044) | more than 6 years ago | (#21272735)

Well the Virtual Console on the Wii has shown that old games do still have value. The manufactures also sell them in game packs for modern PC. Heck I bought a console that has like 40 old 2600 games.
So is it stealing? Legally I would say yes. How you feel about it up to you.

NES games that probably will not show up on VC (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 6 years ago | (#21277181)

Well the Virtual Console on the Wii has shown that old games do still have value.

So what should I do if Virtual Console has very few of the specific NES titles I want? When will Hot-B's Palamedes or Nintendo's Earthbound: Prototype[1] show up there? What about Midway's Klax[2] or Wisdom Tree's The King of Kings[3] or Panesian's Bubble Bath Babes[4]?

[1] Earthbound: Prototype was the English version of the Japanese game Mother, the prequel to Mother 2 (Earthbound in North America). Nintendo canceled the North American release due to a perception of not enough demand to justify manufacturing a 4 megabit Game Pak at the time.

[2] Klax for home consoles was originally published by Tengen, which had a beef with Nintendo at the time. Midway bought Tengen in 1996.

[3] During the NES era, Nintendo strictly prohibited religious content. So Color Dreams' Wisdom Tree division, which produced games with overt Christian motifs, had to go the "unlicensed" route.

[4] Nintendo had a similar policy against softcore erotica.

Re:My PSP story (since others are sharing) (1)

rtechie (244489) | more than 6 years ago | (#21274473)

People should do whatever the fuck they want with the hardware they buy and let giant soulless corporations like Nintendo, Sega, and Sony take care of themselves.

Most of the games released for the PSP and the DS are just PORTS of older games for old consoles. I find it crazy that Sony and Nintendo feel the need to charge $30 for a game released 15 years ago. And why not release multi-game carts or carts that contain flash memory that you can download multiple ROMs? (like the 3rd-parties have done for the DS)

The whole Virtual Console thing is a scam too. On the Wii they're using off the shelf emulators that are very buggy. N64 games work WAY better under UltraHLE on my modded XBOX. SNES games are a wash. If I'm actually PAYING for an emulated game from Nintendo the emulation should be PERFECT. It's not. Why should I pay good money for buggy games?

Re:My PSP story (since others are sharing) (1)

razorh (853659) | more than 6 years ago | (#21271365)

There is a fairly large homebrew scene out there for DS as well. You can get a Datel Games 'N Music cart for DS from walmart online now for about 20 bucks. This is a cart that you can slap a microSD card into. Off the shelf it comes with an MP3 player, and movie player and software to convert most popular video formats to a format that you can play on the DS. Now, there are lots of options as far as GBA carts etc. and probably better ones, but with this out there, it opens homebrew up to the general public and there is a LOT of stuff out there now.

I'm just mentioning this because I spent a couple of weeks messing around with all of this on my DS and it really did open up a whole new world. I have yet to really mess much with actually coding anything for it but it's deffinately on my 'to do' list. What I'd really like to see is the ability to push/get code/roms to my DS via wireless so that I don't have to swap memory back and forth constantly while developing something. I think there are methods for doing this (I've seen some stuff out there) but I'm not sure if any of them currently work with the gimpy little datal cart I have. It's been 6 months or so, I should probably check back into it.

Re:My PSP story (since others are sharing) (1)

NeutronCowboy (896098) | more than 6 years ago | (#21272041)

So you're saying that a good chunk of your enjoyment comes from illegal use of the PSP. Not commenting on the morality of ROMS here, simply stating the fact that much of what you enjoy on the PSP is there illegally.

Personally (again, while everyone's sharing), I tried the PSP a few times at a friend's house. My thumb hurt after about 20 minutes, the control stick is iffy for me, and it's positively gigantic, requiring a shell to protect its screen. Not to mention battery life that's abysmal (3-4 hours on UMDs if I understand correctly). No thanks. That experience actually solidified my decision to buy a DS: clamshell (no need for extra shell), fairly compact design, great control mechanisms and astounding battery life (up to 12 hours of continuous gaming).

I'm intrigued by its ability to control a home theater, but that's a mighty expensive remote. I'm glad the DS is getting some competition again, but from my perspective, the DS is the superior hand-held in all aspects, except graphics. And I can live with that.

Re:My PSP story (since others are sharing) (1)

Pojut (1027544) | more than 6 years ago | (#21272219)

Actually no, the roms were just what I touched on the most because I figured it was the feature most people would be interested...there is actually a rather large library of free homebrew games developed for the PSP, as well as numerous useful utilities...enabling homebrew on it also enables the decoding of various other video codecs, rather than being stuck with MP4 and AVC. Ditto for sound formats, and ditto for music players/movie players.

Homebrew games, for example, include a port of Doom. It comes with the shareware .wad file, so in order to play the full non-shareware version you need a .wad file from the full game...of course, this also means that any .wad files you still have laying around from back in the day (such as the well known 7th-Guest .wad) can be loaded directly on the PSP.

You are also given the ability to read more ebook formats...prior to modding the PSP, you have to use software to convert the text to fit on the screen, and then save each page as an individual picture...then, you view the pictures and voila! You are reading a book. With homebrew, you can get programs that on the fly will change the original .pdf or .lit or .html file around so that it is formatted for the screen, gives you bookmarking abilities, etc.

As far as a remote control for my home theater goes, in a market where programmable remotes can reach the four digit mark, the PSP is actually rather inexpensive in that regard ;-)

Re:My PSP story (since others are sharing) (1)

NeutronCowboy (896098) | more than 6 years ago | (#21274259)

As far as a remote control for my home theater goes, in a market where programmable remotes can reach the four digit mark, the PSP is actually rather inexpensive in that regard ;-)
Yikes! I guess there was a reason I stopped looking into home theater builds a while back. Figures like that require either I rebuild Enron and plunder it like it's 1999 or win several jackpots.

Interesting. Looks like the PSP might actually be a useful portable computer.... once you've freed it from Sony's shackles.

Re:My PSP story (since others are sharing) (1)

Pojut (1027544) | more than 6 years ago | (#21274329)

Kinda...there are numerous homebrew programs for it that enable PDA-type function, although typing on it is quite a chore and the internet browser "just" works...haven't really looked at internet homebrew stuff for it...hmm...I wouldn't call it a replacement for a full-blown PDA, but if all you need is something to keep track of a simple schedule and your contacts, it works quite well:-)

If you want a PDA, get a DS (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 6 years ago | (#21277219)

Kinda...there are numerous homebrew programs for it that enable PDA-type function, although typing on it is quite a chore
That's why if I want to use a handheld gaming system as a PDA, I put an R4 card into a Nintendo DS and start DSOrganize. Then if I'm feeling artistic, I put in Colors! and draw this [isthething.com] or this [isthething.com] . It sure beats an analog stick.

Re:My PSP story (since others are sharing) (1)

jlf278 (1022347) | more than 6 years ago | (#21272457)

Pojut brings up some great points regarding modded PSP's. I've bought flash cards for my DS lite along the same line. Either way you have access to music, video, movies, ebooks, pda, homebrew, internet and an unbelievable amount of games. Personally, I've been really pleased with the DS touch screen, but the PSP's screen is far superior for tv/movies. These handhelds do it all, and for a reasonable price. Completely invaluable on trips or commutes...though for commutes a book is still the most cost efficient.

PSP (1)

king-manic (409855) | more than 6 years ago | (#21270643)

I have a DS lite and really enjoy it. I also have a GB and a GBA SP. I was never tempted by the PSP until recently with the slew of games I really wish I had. Sales figures for Japan shows they are moving very briskly there. I haven't seen any stats on it for N.A. but I assume it's now a comfortable #2 as opposed to being #3 behind a 5 year old system like in years past.

From Illfated to Goodfated (1, Insightful)

masticina (1001851) | more than 6 years ago | (#21271181)

Yeah the PSP though having the best graphics around was illfated so far. Though with the playstation 3 connection it finally get its due. I mean on what other system can you take Grand Theft Auto with you! It is a very grown up Portable in that term. Many games are quite grown up and well the DS doesn't always has the games that I like.

I bought the PSP when the PS3 got into my grasp. Both just seem perfect together as sadly both aren't as fast going forward. There are quality in both that need time to work out! But when good stuff comes out on it it is heavenly good!

Re:From Illfated to Goodfated (1)

Osty (16825) | more than 6 years ago | (#21273251)

Yeah the PSP though having the best graphics around was illfated so far.

Everybody always talks about graphics not being important when discussing consoles (why the Wii doesn't do HD, for example), but then miss that the most applicable place for that argument is on portables. Who cares if the PSP has the best graphics? That just means it'll suck down more battery power, and I have to squint harder to see the relatively tiny screen (yes, I know the PSP has a huge screen, but it's nowhere as big as a 50" DLP).

I mean on what other system can you take Grand Theft Auto with you! It is a very grown up Portable in that term.

Gameboy [gamerankings.com] Color [gamerankings.com] ? GBA [gamerankings.com] ?

I bought the PSP when the PS3 got into my grasp. Both just seem perfect together as sadly both aren't as fast going forward. There are quality in both that need time to work out! But when good stuff comes out on it it is heavenly good!

How much longer is the PSP going to need? They've already had 3 years. There are good titles and bad titles, but I still haven't found anything to make me really want to buy a PSP. I do love my DS, though.

Graphics matter, PERIOD (1)

ToasterMonkey (467067) | more than 6 years ago | (#21275519)

Enough with this "graphics" don't matter crap. It very much matters. Good graphics wont make a bad game good, much like good special effects wont turn a bad movie into a good one (OK, mediocre for both is possible). Better graphics make a good game great, and an old game new again.

Stop using that line as defense for Wii or DS graphics capability. They already have great games, and don't need lame excuses. In layman's terms: existing, good Wii or DS game + better graphics = more betterer game.
You're making excuses for something you know damned well will change for the better the second an HD Nintendo box, or a next-gen Gameboy arrives. ... and they WILL.

Remember the Dreamcast (1)

Leo Sasquatch (977162) | more than 6 years ago | (#21271869)

It had those little plug-in VMUs that weren't just a memory card - they had their own power, an LCD screen, a D-pad and two buttons. Certain Dreamcast games could download mini-games onto the VMU, which you could play on the VMU itself. When the VMU was re-connected to the Dreamcast with the main game, you could upload your scores, which would unlock items etc. in the main game that couldn't be unlocked any other way. The games weren't amazing, having only 128K RAM to work with and a 48x32 screen, but the idea was ingenious.

If there were games for the PS3 that could do that, there'd be more reason to buy a PSP. For example, I've recently been playing through the two KOTOR games, and it would have been nice to have a Pazaak game to take away on a handheld. When you reconnect the game, your winnings would be transferred to your main character. There are certain game types that translate well to a small screen, and short bursts of available play-time. And certain ones that don't. I crash often enough in Burnout through a VGA cable onto a large screen - trying to resolve fast, complex 3D images on a tiny handheld screen in variable light, and possibly while physically moving - yeuch.

Re:Remember the Dreamcast (1)

Guppy06 (410832) | more than 6 years ago | (#21273389)

"If there were games for the PS3 that could do that, there'd be more reason to buy a PSP."

Except you've got it backwards: there are more PSPs in the wild than PS3s, and Sony would be more interested to pin the PS3 onto the (relative) success of the PSP because of it. For example, note that you can only access the PlayStation Store to buy games through the PS3, in spite of several of the games being playable on the PSP and the PSP's ability to access the internet without an intervening PS3.

Think of the children! (1)

beetle496 (677137) | more than 6 years ago | (#21275497)

Can anyone recommend educational software for the PSP? (Or the GameBoy DS, I am not vested yet.) My young children have done quite well with the LeapPad [leapfrog.com] (can't beat the "screen" resolution) but now that they are writing, they are ready for something else. Their electronic product [leapfrog.com] doesn't impress me: the available titles are fairly redundant to what I have in paper, and the product is weak compared to PSP/DS.
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