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Low-Cost Board Runs Linux, Google Apps

ScuttleMonkey posted more than 6 years ago | from the cheap-fun-toys dept.


An anonymous reader writes to mention that hardware hacking enthusiasts can now get their hands on the guts of the Everex TC2502 Linux PC for just $60 (USD). The compact x86-compatible "gOS Dev Board" offers a lightweight Linux-based OS designed for use with Google Apps. " Along with a Firefox browser supporting the Google toolbar, gOS includes local productivity applications, such as However, its main goal is "coherently packaging Google Apps to give users the idea that they can use Google as their main environment," explained Paul Kim, of Everex. "

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but does it run linux? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21273947)

When I think of dirty old men, I think of Ike Thomas and when I think about Ike I get a hard-on that won't quit.

Sixty years ago, I worked in what was once my grandfather's greenhouses. Gramps had died a year earlier and Grandma, now in her seventies had been forced to sell to the competition. I got a job with the new owners and mostly worked the range by myself. That summer, they hired a man to help me get the benches ready for the fall planting.

Ike always looked like he was three days from a shave and his whiskers were dirty white, shaded by the brim of his battered felt fedora.

He did not chew tobacco but the corners of his mouth turned down in a way that, at any moment, I expected a trickle of thin, brown juice to creep down his chin. His bushy, brown eyebrows shaded pale, gray eyes.

The old-timer extended his hand, lifted his leg like a dog about to mark a bush and let go the loudest fart I ever heard. The old fellow then winked at me, "Ike Thomas is the name and playing pecker's my game."

I thought he said, "Checkers." I was nineteen, green as grass. I said, "I was never much good at that game."

"Now me," said Ike, "I just love jumping men ..."

"I'll bet you do."

"... and grabbing on to their peckers," said Ike.

"I thought we were talking about ..."

"You like jumping old men's peckers?"

I shook my head.

"I reckon we'll have to remedy that." Ike lifted his right leg and let go another tremendous fart. "He said, "We best be getting to work."

That summer of 1941 was a more innocent time. I learned most of the sex I knew from those little eight pager cartoon booklets of comic-page characters going at it. Young men read them in the privacy of an outside john, played with themselves, by themselves and didn't brag about it. Sometimes, we got off with a trusted friend and helped each other out.

Under the greenhouse glass, the temperature some times climbed over the hundred degree mark. I had worked stripped to the waist since April and was as brown as a berry. On only his second day on the job and in the middle of August, Ike wore old fashioned overalls. Those and socks in his high-top work shoes was every stitch he wore. When he bent forward, the bib front billowed out and I could see the white curly hairs on his chest and belly.

"Me? I just love to eat pussy!" Ike licked his lips from corner to corner then sticking his tongue out far enough that the tip could touch the end of his nose. He said, A man's not a man till he knows first hand, the flavor of a lady's pussy."

"People do that?"

He winked. "Of course the taste of a hard cock ain't to be sneezed at neither. Now you answer me, yes or no. Does a man's cock taste salty or not?"

"I never ..."

"Well, old Ike's willing to let you find out."

"No way."

"Just teasing," said Ike. "But don't give me no sass or I'll show you my ass." He winked. "Might show it to you anyway, if you was to ask."

"Why would I do that?"

"Curiosity, maybe. I'm guessing you never had a good piece of man ass."

"I'm no queer."

"Now don't be getting judgmental. Enjoying what's at hand ain't being queer. It's taking pleasure where you find it with anybody willing." Ike slipped a hand into the side slit of his overalls and I could tell he was fondling and straightening out his cock. "Now I admit I got me a hole that satisfied a few guys."

I swallowed, hard.

Ike winked. "Care to be asshole buddies?"


We worked steadily until noon. Ike drew a worn pocket watch from the bib pocket of his loose overalls and croaked, "Bean time. But first its time to reel out our limber hoses and make with the golden arches before lunch."

I followed Ike to the end of the greenhouse where he stopped at the outside wall of the potting shed. He opened his fly, fished inside, and finger-hooked a soft white penis with a pouting foreskin puckered half an inch past the hidden head.

"Yes sir," breathed Ike, "this old peter needs some draining." He exhaled a sigh as a strong, yellow stream splattered against the boards and ran down to soak into the earthen floor.

He caught me looking down at him. He winked. "Like what you're viewing, Boy?"

I looked away.

"You taking a serious interest in old Ike's pecker?"

I shook my head.

"Well you just haul out yourn and let old Ike return the compliment."

Feeling trapped and really having to go, I fumbled at my fly, turned away slightly, withdrew my penis and strained to start.

"Take your time boy. Let it all hang out. Old Ike's the first to admit that he likes looking at another man's pecker." He flicked away the last drop of urine and shook his limp penis vigorously.

I tried not to look interested.

"Yes sir, this old peepee feels so good out, I just might leave it out." He turned to give me a better view.

"What if somebody walks in?"

Ike shrugged. He looked at my strong yellow stream beating against the boards and moved a step closer. "You got a nice one,boy."

I glanced over at him. His cock was definitely larger and beginning to stick straight out. I nodded toward his crotch. "Don't you think you should put that away?"

"I got me strictly a parlor prick," said Ike. "Barely measures six inches." He grinned. "Of course it's big enough around to make a mouthful." He ran a thumb and forefinger along its length and drawing his foreskin back enough to expose the tip of the pink head. "Yersiree." He grinned, revealing nicotine stained teeth. "It sure feels good, letting the old boy breathe."

I knew I should button up and move away. I watched his fingers moving up and down the thickening column.

"You like checking out this old man's cock?"

I nodded. In spite of myself, my cock began to swell.

"Maybe we should have ourselves a little pecker pulling party." Ike slid his fingers back and forth on his expanding shaft and winked. "I may be old but I'm not against doing some little pud pulling with a friend."

I shook my head.

"Maybe I'll give my balls some air. Would you like a viewing of old Ike's hairy balls?"

I swallowed hard and moistened my dry lips.

He opened another button on his fly and pulled out his scrotum. "Good God, It feels good to set 'em free. Now let's see yours."


"Just to show you're neighborly," said Ike.

"I don't think so." I buttoned up and moved into the potting shed.

Ike followed, his cock and balls protruding from the front of his overalls. "Overlook my informality." Ike grinned. "As you can see I ain't bashful."

I nodded and took my sandwich from the brown paper bag.

"Yessir," said Ike. "I just might have to have myself an old fashioned peter pulling all by my lonesome. He unhooked a shoulder strap and let his overalls drop around his ankles.

I took a bite of my sandwich but my eyes remained on Ike.

"Yessiree," said Ike, "I got a good one if I do say so myself. Gets nearly as hard as when I was eighteen. You know why?"

I shook my head.

"Cause I keep exercising him. When I was younger I was pulling on it three time a day. Still like to do him every day I can."

"Some say you'll go blind if you do that too much."

"Bull-loney!" Don't you believe that shit. I been pulling my pud for close to fifty years and I didn't start till I was fifteen."

I laughed.

"You laughing at my little peter, boy?"

"Your hat." I pointed to the soiled, brown fedora cocked on his head. That and his overalls draped about his ankles were his only items of apparel. In between was a chest full of gray curly hair, two hairy legs. Smack between them stood an erect, pale white cock with a tip of foreskin still hiding the head.

"I am one hairy S.O.B.," said Ike.

"I laughed at you wearing nothing but a hat."

"Covers up my bald spot," said Ike. "I got more hair on my ass than I got on my head. Want to see?"

"Your head?"

"No, Boy, my hairy ass and around my tight, brown asshole." He turned, reached back with both hands and parted his ass cheeks to reveal the small, puckered opening. "There it is, Boy, the entrance lots of good feelings. Tell me, Boy, how would you like to put it up old Ike's ass?"

"I don't think so."

"That'd be the best damned piece you ever got."

"We shouldn't be talking like this."

"C'mon now, confess, don't this make your cock perk up a little bit?"

"I reckon," I confessed.

"You ever seen an old man's hard cock before," asked Ike.

"My grandpa's when I was twelve or thirteen."

"How'd that come about?"

He was out in the barn and didn't know I was around. He dropped his pants. It was real big he did things to it. He saw me and he turned around real fast but I saw it."

"What did your grandpa do?"

"He said I shouldn't be watching him doing that. He said something like grandma wouldn't give him some,' that morning and that I should get out of there and leave a poor man in peace to do what he had to do."

"Did you want to join him."

"I might have if he'd asked. He didn't."

"I like showing off my cock," said Ike. "A hard-on is something I always been proud of. A hard-on proves a man's a man. Makes me feel like a man that can do things." He looked up at me and winked. "You getting a hard-on from all this talk, son?"

I nodded and looked away.

"Then maybe you should pull it out and show old Ike what you got."

"We shouldn't."

"Hey. A man's not a man till he jacked off with a buddy."

I wanted to but I was as nervous as hell.

Ike grinned and fingered his pecker. "C'mon, Boy, between friends, a little cock showing is perfectly fine. Lets see what you got in the cock and balls department."

In spite of my reluctance, I felt the stirring in my crotch. I had curiosity that needed satisfying. It had been a long, long time since I had walked in on my grandfather.

"C'mon let's see it all."

I shook my head.

"You can join the party anytime, said Ike. "Just drop your pants and pump away."

I had the urge. There was a tingling in my crotch. My cock was definitely willing and I had a terrible need to adjust myself down there. But my timidity and the strangeness of it all held me back.

Hope you don't mind if I play out this hand." Ike grinned. "It feels like I got a winner."

I stared at his gnarled hand sliding up and down that pale, white column and I could not look away. I wet my lips and shook my head.

Old Ike's about to spout a geyser." Ike breathed harder as he winked. "Now if I just had a long finger up my ass. You interested, boy?"

I shook my head.

The first, translucent, white glob crested the top of his cock and and arced to the dirt floor. Ike held his cock at the base with thumb and forefinger and tightened noticeably with each throb of ejaculation until he was finished.

I could not believe any man could do what he had done in front of another human being.

Ike sighed with pleasure and licked his fingers. "A man ain't a man till he's tasted his own juices."

He squatted, turned on the faucet and picked up the connected hose. He directed the water between his legs and on to his still dripping prick and milked the few remaining drops of white, sticky stuff into the puddle forming at his feet. "Cool water sure feels good on a cock that just shot its wad," said Ike.


"Cock-tale telling time," said Old Ike. It was the next day and he rubbed the front of his dirty,worn overalls where his bulge made the fly expand as his fingers smoothed the denim around the outline of his expanding cock.

I wasn't sure what he had in mind but I knew it wasn't something my straight-laced Grandma would approve of.

"Don't you like taking your cock out and jacking it?" Ike licked his lips.

I shook my head in denial.

"Sure you do. A young man in his prime has got to be pulling his pud."

I stared at his calloused hand moving over the growing bulge at his crotch.

"Like I said," continued Ike, "I got me barely six inches when he's standing up." He winked at me. "How much you got, son?"

"Almost seven inches ..." I stuttered. "Last time I measured."

"And I'm betting it feels real good with your fist wrapped around it."

"I don't do ..."

"Everybody does it." He scratched his balls and said, "I'll show you mine if you show me yours." Then, looking me in the eye, he lifted his leg like a dog at a tree and let out a long, noisy fart.

Denying that I jacked off, I said, "I saw yours yesterday."

"A man has got to take out his pecker every once in a while." He winked and his fingers played with a button on his fly. Care to join me today?"

"I don't think so."

"What's the matter, boy? You ashamed of what's hanging 'tween your skinny legs?"

"It's not for showing off."

"That would be so with a crowd of strangers but with a friend, in a friendly showdown, where's the harm?"

"It shouldn't be shown to other people. My Grandma said that a long time ago when I went to the bathroom against a tree when I was seven."

"There's nothing like a joint pulling among friends to seal a friendship," said Ike.

I don't think so." I felt very much, ill at ease.

"Then what the fuck is it for," demanded the old man. "A good man shares his cock with his friends. How old are you boy?"

"Fifteen almost sixteen."

You ever fucked a woman?"


"Ever fucked a man?"

"Of course not."

"Son, you ain't never lived till you've fired your load up a man's tight ass."

"I didn't know men did that to each other."

"Men shove it up men's asses men all the time. They just don't talk about it like they do pussy."

"You've done that?"

"I admit this old pecker's been up a few manholes. More than a few hard cocks have shagged this old ass over the years." He shook his head, wistfully, "I still have a hankering for a hard one up the old dirt chute."

"I think that would hurt."

"First time, it usually does," agreed Ike. He took a bite from his sandwich.

I looked at my watch. Ten minutes of our lunch hour had already passed.

"We got time for a quickie," said Ike. "There's no one around to say, stop, if were enjoying ourselves."

He unhooked the slide off the button of one shoulder-strap, pushed the bib of his overalls down to let them fall to his feet.

"Showtime," said Ike. Between his legs, white and hairy, his semi-hard cock emerged from a tangled mass of brown and gray pubic hair. The foreskin, still puckered beyond the head of the cock, extended downward forty-five degrees from the horizontal but was definitely on the rise.

I could only stare at the man. Until the day before, I had never seen an older man with an erection besides my grandpa.

Ike moved his fingers along the stalk of his manhood until the head partially emerged, purplish and broad. He removed his hand for a moment and it bobbled obscenely in the subdued light of the potting shed. Ike leaned back against a bin of clay pots like a model on display. "Like I said, boy, it gets the job done."

I found it difficult not to watch. "You shouldn't ..."

"C'mon, boy. Show Ike your pecker. I'm betting it's nice and hard."

I grasped my belt and tugged on the open end. I slipped the waistband button and two more before pushing down my blue jeans and shorts down in one move. My cock bounced and slapped my belly as I straightened."

"That's a beaut." Ike stroked his pale, white cock with the purplish-pink head shining. "I'm betting it'll grow some more if you stroke it."

"We really shouldn't ..."

"Now don't tell me you never stroked your hard peter with a buddy."

"I've done that," I finally admitted,. "But he was the same age as me and it was a long time ago." I though back to the last time Chuck and me jerked each other off in the loft of our old barn. Chuck wanted more as a going away present and we had sucked each other's dicks a little bit.

"Jackin's always better when you do it with somebody," said Ike. "Then you can lend each other a helping hand."

"I don't know about that," I said.

Ike's hand continued moving on his old cock as he leaned over to inspect mine. "God Damn! Boy. That cock looks good enough to eat." Ike licked his lips. "You ever had that baby sucked?"

I shook my head as I watched the old man stroke his hard, pale cock.

"Well boy, I'd say you're packing a real mouthful for some lucky gal or guy." He grinned. "Well c'mon. Let's see you get down to some serious jacking. Old Ike's way ahead of you."

I wrapped my fist around my stiff cock and moved the foreskin up and over the head on the up stroke. On the down stroke the expanded corona of the angry, purple head stared obscenely at the naked old man.

Ike toyed with his modest six inches. "What do you think of this old man's cock?" His fist rode down to his balls and a cockhead smaller than the barrel stared back at mine.

"I guess I'm thinking this is like doing it with my grandpa."

"You ever wish you could a done this with your grandpa?"

"I thought about it a lot."

"Ever see him with a hard-on."

"I told you about that!"

"Ever think about him doing your grandma?"

"I can't imagine her ever doing anything with a man."

"Take my word for it, sonny, we know she did it or you wouldn't be here." Begrudgingly I nodded in agreement.

"Everybody fucks," said old Ike. "They fuck or they jack off."

"If you say so."

"Say sonny, your cocks getting real juicy with slickum. Want old Ike tolick some of it away?"

"You wouldn't."

Ike licked his lips as he kept his hand pistoning up and down his hard cock. "You might be surprised what old Ike might do if he was in the mood for a taste of what comes out of a hard cock."

And that is what he proceeded to do. He sucked me dry.

Then he erupted in half-a-dozen spurts shooting out and onto the dirt floor of the potting shed. He gave his cock a flip and shucked t back into his overalls. He unwrapped a sandwich from its wax paper and proceed to eat without washing his hands. He took a bite and chewed. "Nothing like it boy, a good jacking clears the cobwebs from your crotch and gives a man an appetite."


The following day, We skipped the preliminaries. We dropped our pants. Ike got down on his knees and sucked me until I was hard and good and wet before he stood and turned.

"C'mon boy, Shove that pretty cock up old Ike's tight, brown hole and massage old Ike's prostate.

Ike bent forward and gripped the edge of the potting bench. The lean, white cheeked buttocks parted slightly and exposed the dark brown, crinkly, puckered star of his asshole. "Now you go slow and ease it along until you've got it all the way in," he cautioned. "This old ass craves your young cock but it don't want too much too soon. You've got to let this old hole stretch to accommodate you."

"Are you sure you want to do this?"

"Easy boy, easy," he cautioned. "You feel a lot bigger than you look. Put a little more spit in your cock."

"It's awfully tight. I don't know if it's going to go or not."

"It'll go," said Ike. "There's been bigger boys than you up the old shit chute."

I slipped in the the last few inches.. "It's all in."

"I can tell," said Ike. "Your cock hairs are tickling my ass."

"Are you ready," I asked.

"How are you liking old Ike's hairy asshole so far?"

"It's real tight."

"Tighter than your fist?"

"Might be."

"Ready to throw a fuck into a man that reminds you of your grandpa."

"I reckon."

"I want you should do old Ike one more favor."


While you're pumpin' my ass, would you reach around and play with my dick like you would your own? Would you do that for an old man?"

I reached around and took hold of his hard cock sticking out straight in front of him. I pilled the skin back and then pulled it up and over the expanded glans. I felt my own cock expand inside him as I manipulated his staff in my fingers. I imagined that my cock extended through him and I was playing with what came out the other side of him.

"C'mon, boy, ram that big cock up the old shitter and make me know it. God Damn! tickle that old prostate and make old Ike come!"

I came. And I came. Ike's tightened up on my cock and I throbbed Roman Candle bursts into that brown hole as I pressed into him. His hairy, scrawny ass flattened against my crotch and we were joined as tightly as two humans can be.

"A man's not a man till he's come in another man." said old Ike. "You made it, boy. But still, a man's not a man till he's had a hard cock poked up his ass at least once."

Every time I think of that scene, I get another hard-on. Then I remember the next day when old Ike returned the favor.

I never have managed to come that hard again. If only Ike were here.

Re:but does it run linux? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21274003)

You evil, evil person....

Re:but does it run linux? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21277285)

They just don't make trolls like that any more. It's a damned shame, too.

That's a smoking deal (3, Informative)

stoolpigeon (454276) | more than 6 years ago | (#21273983)

Throw that bad boy in a nice case [] with some ram [] and a decent hard drive [] , and it's not a bad deal. You could probably put together a machine with maxed out ram, decent storage and a much more attractive case for the same amount if not less than you'd pay for the Walmart version [] . And while the processor isn't a powerhouse, I'm sure any distro could do allright on there. Gentoo might not be the best choice, but otherwise... (Just kidding there. While the gentoo crowds seem to have calmed - it really was a joke.)

Re:That's a smoking deal (2)

vondo (303621) | more than 6 years ago | (#21274095)

This is a great deal. I use a board almost like that (smaller that uATX, though) as a file/web/database server. It runs Ubuntu 6.06. I think I paid about $80 for mine. I think I put 256 MB in mine plus 80+400GB of disk. I have a Gb-E NIC waiting to go in it at some point.

The only thing I would change is to put a bigger heatsink on the CPU to eliminate the 40mm fan. My fan crapped out and getting a good replacement for those is always a pain.

Re:That's a smoking deal (0)

stoolpigeon (454276) | more than 6 years ago | (#21274195)

I've been googling around and I can't find the same thing with a processor for close to it. Boards without a processor come close - but not with it already included. I think this may be my Christmas present to myself this year.

Re:That's a smoking deal (5, Informative)

TopSpin (753) | more than 6 years ago | (#21274399) []

$9 more, NVidia graphics processor, Athlon 3200+, same 0-MB of RAM...

You'll need a heat sink. Avoid installing >1 DIMM. Does that qualify as 'close'?

Re:That's a smoking deal (2, Interesting)

LWATCDR (28044) | more than 6 years ago | (#21274833)

Yea but it takes DDR and not DDR2. That actually drives up the cost of memory :(

Re:That's a smoking deal (1)

JeepFanatic (993244) | more than 6 years ago | (#21276671)

But if you're like me and you've already got older unused DDR ram lying around that's not really a problem. If you're going to run linux on it you can easily get away with a spare 2 x 256 setup for 512MB. If you don't have any lying around, I see RAM like this on craigslist all the time for pretty cheap.

Re:That's a smoking deal (0, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21275063)

>Athlon 3200+

Maybe. Previous ECS boards (really PC Chips) of similar "combo" design overrated their procressors by 1000 - 1500 MHz (okay, not MHz, but "Pro"s, IIRC). You might actually be getting a 1500 MHz board...

Re:That's a smoking deal (2, Informative)

FrankSchwab (675585) | more than 6 years ago | (#21274419)

Try: []
Intel uAtx board, Celeron 215 soldered on, takes DDR-II 533 or 400, onboard graphics, one PCI port, $70.

Re:That's a smoking deal (1)

stoolpigeon (454276) | more than 6 years ago | (#21274533)

I really miss living by Frys. Closest to me is now an 8 hour drive away. That is close - little bit slower processor, lower cap on ram - but it is a decent deal, you are correct.

Not Some Fry's Special (1)

lmnfrs (829146) | more than 6 years ago | (#21275853)

Search for that board elsewhere. It's just a cheap board, not some Fry's deal. You should have no trouble finding it online etc.

I was looking at that board recently, my only big complaint is that it has 10/100, not gigabit. It's a pretty sweet little platform.

Re:Not Some Fry's Special (0, Offtopic)

stoolpigeon (454276) | more than 6 years ago | (#21276237)

yeah - it was just seeing the Frys name that made me think about how much I miss those stores. I could go to the one by my house and spend a couple hours without buying a thing. The first linux install I ever did was Suse and I bought it at Frys. (Had dial up at the time - so downloading wasn't really an option and I didn't know much about Linux. That got the ball rolling for me though.) Mostly I purchase stuff from Amazon - for a host of reasons. But sometimes it is fun to just wander aisles of tech and just browse. Or sometimes it is fun not to wait for something. Ah well, I'm not driving to Atlanta to do that and going to Best Buy makes me want to hurt myself, so I'll just have to live with the memories.

Re:Not Some Fry's Special (1)

NeverVotedBush (1041088) | more than 6 years ago | (#21276591)

I also miss Fry's. I used to live in Portland and there is one just south of there. Huge store. Sold just about everything electronic - including 603 surface mount resistors. Take that, Radio Shack. The place had everything and great deals too. But I moved away and now just remember when someone else mentions them. Sigh...

Re:That's a smoking deal (1)

LWATCDR (28044) | more than 6 years ago | (#21274881)

It only has one ATA and no SATA ports so it wouldn't make a good NAS

Directron FTW (2, Informative)

argent (18001) | more than 6 years ago | (#21275775)

How about this then? []

Biostar NF61S Micro 754 Motherboard and AMD Athlon 3100+ CPU with Cooler, $72.99

1 ATA + 2 SATA, plus nVidia GPU.

Undercutting TFA by $15.00... (1)

argent (18001) | more than 6 years ago | (#21275845) []
* PC CHIPS M789CG(3.0A) VIA C3 Samual 2 2000+(800MHz/133) VIA CLE266 Mini ITX Motherboard/CPU Combo
* $44.99

Re:Undercutting TFA by $15.00... (1)

vondo (303621) | more than 6 years ago | (#21276949)

While a board like that still has its uses, the board in TFA is a Via C7 running at almost twice the speed of this one and has two SATA ports. Power envelope is likely similar as the C3 is a pretty old processor now.

Re:Undercutting TFA by $15.00... (1)

Hadlock (143607) | more than 6 years ago | (#21276967)

That's also about half the speed (and the processor is at least two generations behind the GOS board), plus the bus isn't as fast. Over 4 years (expected lifespan?) how much is your time worth to you?

Re:That's a smoking deal (1)

orangepeel (114557) | more than 6 years ago | (#21276201)

That's the Intel D201GLY [] . You might be better off with the D201GLY2 [] . It's faster, fan-free, includes SATA, and it's roughly the same price. I think retailers are clearing stock of the original version right now, which is why the V2 board is a little harder to find. Do a search for it at though (for example) and it'll turn up, again at roughly the same price as the earlier model.

If only it had a DVI output instead of that dinosaur analog VGA output -- and possibly a gigabit network controller -- and I'd really be sold.

Re:That's a smoking deal (1)

TooMuchToDo (882796) | more than 6 years ago | (#21274107)

Let me build on what you posted. Assume you also put in a solid state hard drive. The power consumption would be extremely low, and you could use them in offices across the country with little need to admin a full Windows environment.

Re:That's a smoking deal (1)

cheater512 (783349) | more than 6 years ago | (#21274121)

I am very seriously considering getting one.
Its a sweet board with a perfect price.

Re:That's a smoking deal (4, Informative)

houstonbofh (602064) | more than 6 years ago | (#21274225)

The form factor is to big to fit in the really small cases (mini-atx) and too small to expand in a big case. Besides, motherboard CPU combos at about this price with more performance are not uncommon. [] Nothing really special about this but the Google tag.

Re:That's a smoking deal (2, Informative)

DragonWriter (970822) | more than 6 years ago | (#21276417)

The form factor is to big to fit in the really small cases (mini-atx) and too small to expand in a big case.

The really small cases are, for instance, mini-ITX. Mini-ATX is almost exactly the same size (area) as Micro-ATX, but a different arrangement (8.2x11.2cm instead of 9.6x9.6cm), so its true that this Micro-ATX MB won't fit in a Mini-ATX case, and is too big in one dimension. But, just the same, a Mini-ATX MB wouldn't fit a Micro-ATX case, for exactly the same reason. Micro-ATX cases are IMO reasonably small, and (but maybe I just look at the wrong places) it seems that there is a greater variety of Micro-ATX cases available.

Re:That's a smoking deal (2, Informative)

theGreater (596196) | more than 6 years ago | (#21274361)

For additional extra credit, google for the following:

Walmart/Everex GPC TC2502 (VIA CN700 + VT8237R Chipset), PC2500E

Or just check the LinuxBIOS Mailing List [] thread about this very board, which is available from [] for about $60.00 with free shipping.


Minimal Extras? (1)

Doc Ruby (173196) | more than 6 years ago | (#21274417)

What about just a power supply and that board screwed into a $10 Radioshack case that isn't even for PCs, but can have some holes cut for cables to go thru, and a tube for the CPU fan to vent? No HD or VGA (except for initial OS install), just a tiny USB flash and NFS.

Is there a PS that can drive this little device that doesn't have a fan? And can that little sucker run a Linux that can run madplay and curl, so I can stream audio from my network? Maybe even build this sucker into some network speakers, even WiFi, with a USB or PCI device?

Re:Minimal Extras? (1)

macz (797860) | more than 6 years ago | (#21276473)

Just get a Linksys WRT54GL wireless router, put DD-WRT on it and you have the power supply, Wireless access, and a minimal amount of flash ram runing Linux as a mostly general purpose computer. Total cost is about $60-70.

Re:Minimal Extras? (1)

Doc Ruby (173196) | more than 6 years ago | (#21277283)

But that doesn't give me an audio output, so running curl and madplay won't give me a very good streaming audio player.

Re:Minimal Extras? (1)

orangepeel (114557) | more than 6 years ago | (#21277523)

Try looking through the 3 categories of options here [] . In particular, in the last category (just listed as "Power Supplies") check into the PicoPSU units. Regardless, be aware that pretty much all of those small-scale power supply units require an external AC power adapter, but that's not a big concession given how much more flexibility it gets you.

Re:Minimal Extras? (1)

Doc Ruby (173196) | more than 6 years ago | (#21277705)

They all cost $40+. This MB costs only $60.

Whole PCs for use as consoles cost only $250. Why can't I find one that just runs Linux, and converts ethernet to audio (no kbd, monitor, etc) when pointed at a streaming server, without a fan and under $100?

Re:Minimal Extras? (1)

ScrappyLaptop (733753) | more than 6 years ago | (#21277615)

google 'picoPSU' and your dreams will come true.

The Artist Formerly Known as "Thin Client" (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21273993)

"a lightweight...OS designed for use with [web apps]"

aka: Thin Client

Coming soon to a handset near you! Oh, wait...

Re:The Artist Formerly Known as "Thin Client" (1)

vxir (668726) | more than 6 years ago | (#21276245)

Thin? TFA says its based on Ubuntu!

Lawl (1)

dippitydoo (1134915) | more than 6 years ago | (#21274005)

Nice. i want one.

I don't get it (4, Insightful)

LaughingCoder (914424) | more than 6 years ago | (#21274051)

What exactly is the BIG DEAL? I would still need to buy a disk drive ($50), some RAM ($30), a box/supply ($30), a monitor ($100), a keyboard and mouse ($20), and perhaps some speakers ($15) ... the motherboard and CPU are no longer the major expense in putting together a PC. Heck, newegg has the Celeron D315 (2.26GHz) for $38, and an MSI barebones system (box, 300W power supply, motherboard) for $70. Add in another $100 for HD/RAM/KB/Mouse an you have a pretty decent system for $208.

Re:I don't get it (2)

crowbarsarefornerdyg (1021537) | more than 6 years ago | (#21274099)

Or you could just go buy the bloody computer at Wal-Mart. It's the same board as the one they're selling at Wal-Mart for $198.

Re:I don't get it (1)

stoolpigeon (454276) | more than 6 years ago | (#21274219)

But the one at Walmart would have less ram, a smaller hard drive and I'm guessing not the nicest peripherals. So for the savvy geek shopper - an even nicer machine at the same price as Walmart's machine is within reach. I think that is pretty awesome myself.

Re:I don't get it (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21274295)

But hasn't that always been the case?

Re:I don't get it (1)

crowbarsarefornerdyg (1021537) | more than 6 years ago | (#21274605)

I'm not debating that at all; my point is simply that for the cost of the motherboard they're hawking you can buy the whole computer. You and I are on the same wavelength about computers anyway. lol.

Re:I don't get it (2, Informative)

vondo (303621) | more than 6 years ago | (#21274131)

Well, for one, the nice thing about these Via CPUs is that they don't use much power. You can easily put together a whole computer that uses 50W. I wouldn't use it as a desktop, but I use something similar as a home server.

BTW, the Walmart price does not include a monitor.

Re:I don't get it (1)

DragonWriter (970822) | more than 6 years ago | (#21274303)

What exactly is the BIG DEAL?

The big deal is that, when the ~$200 system was announced in its full-size case here, people commented that they'd like to have the same thing, but in a smaller form factor, since the board is, after all, a Micro-ATX board. Now they can.

Re:I don't get it (1)

andreyw (798182) | more than 6 years ago | (#21276145)

The $60 you can spend buying this overstock holdover from 2004 can get your a better motherboard + CPU. Thus I don't see why on earth this is a "good deal". It's just a slow-ass VIA-based Mini-ITX motherboad. The fact that Walmart is selling something based on it should already be a warning sign.

Re:I don't get it (3, Insightful)

DragonWriter (970822) | more than 6 years ago | (#21276573)

The $60 you can spend buying this overstock holdover from 2004 can get your a better motherboard + CPU.

Most of the alternatives people have posted that are similar in price have some advantages and some disadvantages. None seem to be clearly and unquestionably "better" in every way, just different and in the same general ballpark. So perhaps its not outstanding, just another low-cost option that's well supported in Linux. Which, unsurprisingly enough, is somewhat interesting to a substantial part of the Slashdot crowd.

It's just a slow-ass VIA-based Mini-ITX motherboad.

Micro-ATX, actually.

The fact that Walmart is selling something based on it should already be a warning sign.

I suppose that we should be suspicious of Linux, too, then...

Re:I don't get it (1)

vondo (303621) | more than 6 years ago | (#21276989)

Flex-ATX actually, I think. They say micro, but the size quoted is smaller than micro.

Re:I don't get it (1)

DragonWriter (970822) | more than 6 years ago | (#21277823)

Flex-ATX actually, I think. They say micro, but the size quoted is smaller than micro.

Good point. What is it with mbs that are marketted as a different form factor than the most accurate one? I mean, sure, you can use a flex-ATX mb in a micro-ATX (or plain ATX) case, but why wouldn't you make sure that all your marketing material emphasized flex-ATX, since that gives the buyer more, well, flexibility than micro-ATX.

Re:I don't get it (2, Insightful)

vrmlguy (120854) | more than 6 years ago | (#21274351)

The deal is, you don't have to buy all of those pieces. For instance, I already have a beign box, KVM switch and smallish power supply lying around. ("Smallish" os OK because ClubIT quotes "maximum power draw of just 20 watts and idle power as low as 2 watts".) I'd like to get one and add a couple of big honking disks. Newegg has "Western Digital Caviar SE WD5000AAJS 500GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive - OEM" at $99 right now. Mirror two of those babies and I'd have a fine home server for Gallery, email and rsnapshot backups. Even adding some RAM, the whole thing'll cost less than $300.

Re:I don't get it (1)

Joe The Dragon (967727) | more than 6 years ago | (#21274405)

Why get a Celeron D when you can get a amd x2 for $65.99 and the am2 systems boards cost less as well.

Re:I don't get it (2, Insightful)

Tumbleweed (3706) | more than 6 years ago | (#21274851)

What exactly is the BIG DEAL? I would still need to buy...

Anyone truly deserving of the label 'geek' already has all of that stuff laying around from previous machines. I know I've got a 20-pin PC Power & Cooling PSU just itching to get back in the game, and some old DDR2 RAM as well. They're crying out, I tells ya!

Re:I don't get it (3, Interesting)

mrand (147739) | more than 6 years ago | (#21277355)

know I've got a 20-pin PC Power & Cooling PSU just itching to get back in the game, and some old DDR2 RAM as well. They're crying out, I tells ya!

What do you mean old DDR2? How can it be old when DDR2 wasn't introduced but four years ago!? I don't own ANY DDR2 memory (or DDR3), much less any old DDR2.

Now, I do have 128 or 256 MB of EDO DRAM, a 700 MB SCSI hard drive (cost me around $1k in 1992), and a real AT-style keyboard (with big connector) that I wouldn't mind putting back into service... or we could go back further in the closet and gut the AT-compatible by tossing the 10 MHz 286 motherboard, and use its 70 MB hard drive from ~1987. I think I'll pass on trying to make use of the TRS-80/Tandy 16b with its full-height 12 MB hard drive. Some things are just not worth it, even to a nerd.


Re:I don't get it (1)

OrangeTide (124937) | more than 6 years ago | (#21275121)

Why do you need a harddrive and monitor?

Also C7 has hardware crypto. it's worth getting just to play with that:)

Re:I don't get it (1)

littlewink (996298) | more than 6 years ago | (#21275463)

You could get 1 GB RAM from HP for $9 [] (look at the rebate form: it really is a $40 rebate on a $49 item). A used power supply costs $5. I never pay for a monitor, mouse or keyboard; too many are being thrown or given away these days in the rush to flat screens and wireless mice.

ebay would be cheaper & better (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21274071)

i bet you could throw together a p3 or amd athlon system booting off a usb pen for similar cash and it would tear appart a crippled amd 3rd world processor

Re:ebay would be cheaper & better (1)

telchine (719345) | more than 6 years ago | (#21274461)

i bet you could throw together a p3 or amd athlon system booting off a usb pen for similar cash and it would tear appart a crippled amd 3rd world processor

Yes, maybe you could, and maybe that system would better suit your needs... but not everyone's.

However, that USB pen is a read/write device. It could theoretically get infected ith viruses and spyware, the end user could accidentally wipe it. All of those are extra work for a corporate IT department.

If you're a company, you could build a system out of these parts for well under $200 (and that includes a keyboard, mouse and monitor). It'd be perfect for the 90% of the company that are office drones that only need a word processor, a spreadsheet and email access.

With these machine, you get all that, it's backed up remotely and there's no maintainence and support costs are next to nothing...

"oh dear, you spilt coffee over your computer? Here's another one, just use the same log in details that you did before"

You don't nee dto train anyone to understand computers. You just need someone on minimum wage who can put the components together and plug in peripherals.

And the nice thing about not having a standard operating system and a fast processor is that your office drone employees won't waste their working time playing games.

No, I wouldn't want one of these computers, but I bet there's one hell of a lot of corporates out there that will see dollar signs in their eyes when they realise the potential of these thin-client computers.

i doubt that (1)

erlehmann (1045500) | more than 6 years ago | (#21274551)

pre-made thin clients witout moving parts and with low power requirements (like sun's) would make more sense to me in the long run.

True (1)

dippitydoo (1134915) | more than 6 years ago | (#21274089)

You have opened my eyes. I no longer want one.

Wow (4, Funny)

teknopurge (199509) | more than 6 years ago | (#21274093)

From the article:

"..but with the lightweight Enlightenment window manager instead of heavy Gnome/KDE desktops. "

I never thought I would live to see the day.....

Re:Wow (1)

Otter (3800) | more than 6 years ago | (#21274565)

Heh, that's exactly what I said when I read that...

"dev board" ? (5, Informative)

MrTrick (673182) | more than 6 years ago | (#21274133)

This is just a motherboard, with a C7 processor already attached to it. No memory, no non-volatile storage...

According to TFA, it "comes with gOS", but gOS doesn't sit anywhere on this 'dev board', it has to be installed onto a regular hard drive just like a normal computer.

Bad article. It's not a dev board, it's an entirely normal mobo. The ONLY thing about it that is even remotely special is that there are linux drivers for all its components.

If it were a dev board I'd want at least some attached flash storage, and some interesting pin headers.

Re:"dev board" ? (3, Insightful)

jmorris42 (1458) | more than 6 years ago | (#21274249)

> This is just a motherboard, with a C7 processor...

Ya, that was my problem with the piece too, no reason for it to be on linuxdevices since it is just another Via Mobo+CPU deal, this time blown up to the MicroATX form factor instead of the Mini-ITX VIA normally prefers. $60 for Mobo and CPU is OK I guess but not especially newsworthy.

"Devel" board to me implies something to develop for an embedded 'target'. What is the target system this board aims at? A PC running an x86 Linux isn't embedded computing. It isn't new, interesting or different. Linux on x86 is now mainstream. A decade ago a commercial outfit pushing Linux systems would have been newsworthy.

The only thing special is (2, Interesting)

transporter_ii (986545) | more than 6 years ago | (#21274539)

The C7 processor is supposed to use a lot less power than a normal chip. From what they are saying, someone leaving a computer on a lot could expect to save 10.00 a month in electricity. IF that is true, it wouldn about pay for itself in 24 months (again, that assumes what they are saying is true).

I set one of the 299.00 Wal-Mart computers up for a local volunteer fire station that had an application that needed XP, but they could only find Vista computers new. I wiped the drive and installed a legal copy of XP Pro for them. I thought it was pretty darn snappy with a gig of RAM in it. In fact, I plan on getting one of the 199.00 ones with Linux installed on it.


Re:"dev board" ? (1)

Jeff DeMaagd (2015) | more than 6 years ago | (#21275259)

I think might just be a certified hardware/software combination and nothing more. They would probably include a software install CD that would be already set up for a quick, painless and predictable installation - probably with minimal options, if any.

Re:"dev board" ? (1)

monopole (44023) | more than 6 years ago | (#21275765)

While just a another miniATX it is nice to know that is fully supported by gOS and presumably Ubuntu I was disapointed to not see onboard WiFi with compatible drivers.

Enlightenment is lightweight nowadays? (3, Interesting)

jfim (1167051) | more than 6 years ago | (#21274143)

The gOS distribution [...] is based on the just-released Ubuntu 7.10 ("Gutsy Gibbon") distro, but with the lightweight Enlightenment window manager instead of heavy Gnome/KDE desktops.
Enlightenment is lightweight nowadays? Is it because Enlightenment improved or because Gnome/KDE got bigger? I remember it being quite unstable/slow a decade ago, but how have things changed in E?

Re:Enlightenment is lightweight nowadays? (1)

dippitydoo (1134915) | more than 6 years ago | (#21274183)

I thought so too. It seems to require more resources than KDE or gnome. gOS FTW!

Re:Enlightenment is lightweight nowadays? (1)

JK_the_Slacker (1175625) | more than 6 years ago | (#21274625)

Of course, there's NO way that software could improve much in a decade. I mean, come on, obviously Windows Server 2003 isn't any different than Windows 3.1. Also, Quake 4 is pretty much a clone of the original Quake. Likewise, Final Fantasy VII was no different than the first one in the series.

I'll likely lose karma for that. Oh bother.

Mod Down. (0, Flamebait)

cralewyth (934970) | more than 6 years ago | (#21275807)

This isn't interesting at all. It's flamebait.

Re:Mod Down. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21277791)

Why's it flamebait?
Last time I ran E (I don't even recall how long ago it was... almost ten years?), it was THE EyeCandy.
That's why you ran it. For the eyecandy.
I feel it as odd as anyone else to suddenly see it being referred to as lightweight, like entering the twilight zone I guess.

Re:Enlightenment is lightweight nowadays? (1)

dbIII (701233) | more than 6 years ago | (#21276701)

It always could be. The demo themes showed off all the shiny bits available with different large background pics on each desktop. I used to run it on a pentium 60 with a fairly lightweight theme. Rob Malda (aka Taco) even did a few relatively lightweight themes and his theme site led a lot of enlightenment users to Slashdot on day 1.

I'm currently using the Ganymede theme which is pretty and doesn't consume a lot of resources.

Now just imagine (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21274175)

A Beowulf cluster of these things!

Upgrading emachine (1)

Joaz Banbeck (1105839) | more than 6 years ago | (#21274321)

I found an old emachine sitting by the trash. 2.8 celeron, 80GB, etc. Not bad for the price. I found out why someone threw it out. The motherboard is glitchy: it won't recognize drives unless it is warmed up for an hour or two, and even then it is a 50/50 chance. I was going to canabalize it for parts until now.
I assume that this board should be an easy match. Anyone see any problems? Thanks.

Re:Upgrading emachine (1)

Sleepy (4551) | more than 6 years ago | (#21275505)

It's not a good match. It may WORK, but that's not the same thing.

C7 is good for embedded apps, or low-power low-heat. It's not at all responsive in the way that your USUAL overpowered desktop CPU is.

If your budget is $60 same as this, I'd get a CPU/mobo combo from NewEgg or Directron. Seriously. If you thought a 2.8Ghz Celeron would be OK, you can easily match it with a AM2 processor or an older P4. Shop around.

but... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21274345)

Does it run Linux?

Re:but... (1)

tc3driver (669596) | more than 6 years ago | (#21274469)

Ummm RTFA?

Re:but... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21274493)

Ummmm GaSoH?

(Get a Sense of Humor)

Re:but... (1)

maxwell demon (590494) | more than 6 years ago | (#21274531)

Ummm RTFA?
Or RTFS? Actually RTFH! (H = Headline)

Re:but... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21274629)

The bonus is that it doesn't run Vista.

Cheap Cluster? (1)

LithiumX (717017) | more than 6 years ago | (#21274541)

Any opinions on if the cpu has enough juice to be worthwhile as an inexpensive test platform for some distributed computing experiments?

I've been hunting for cheap systems to put together for some experimental work I want to do (as well as learning how to properly run a Beowulf), and so far this looks like the best deal I've seen. With onboard lan and video, all I'd need to do is toss in some memory, hack together some sort of combined power supply, and build a rack to store the boards in, and I've got a test platform that might just fall into my (underpaid developer) price range.

Any comparisons to get an idea of what kind of processing power you actually get out of it? I wouldn't be going for a badass grid system, but there's little point if I might as well round up a bunch of old 486's.

Maybe, but not practical... (2, Informative)

Junta (36770) | more than 6 years ago | (#21274891)

So key things when building a beowulf cluster are performance per dollar and performance per watt. Hit sweet spots in those and you can adjust the rest through node count.

In this case, buying 4 of these boards would probably suck down more power than a single quad-core Intel planar+processor. The cost of 4 boards (plus memory, etc) would probably be not much cheaper than consolidating all of that into one chassis. So if expecting a significant lifetime out of it, it's not really worth it. You can put together similar budget systems for maybe 30% more money, but with probably 50-70% more performance and better performance per watt.

Now, if it offered say, 15% less performance per planar, but 25% less power consumption at 30% lower price, then yes, it may make sense to buy it and increase node count to offset the difference. But my understanding is that the difference in performance is quite drastic, more drastic than the cost savings or power consumption figures. I heard the VIA platform takes two clock cycles to execute a single-precision floating-point operation. For comparison, current Intel archictecture acheives 4 double-precision flops for every clock cycle (theoretical max). This is of key interest if wanting to compare your setup against the Top500.

Now if your intent is simply to learn the in and outs of clustering, with no practical work expected, and you lack old hardware to hobble together, it may be educational. However, it's likely that any old hardware lying around would be on the order of the same amount of educational value.

The target market is obviously areas where they won't need more than one, in which case scaling back power and cost at the expense of performance is a no-brainer. Other interesting places for VIA products ('just-enough' processing at a low TDP) are embedded. I've been wanting to piece together a Car-PC, but haven't overcome my laziness. A car-pc is an excellent target for VIA based products.

Re:Maybe, but not practical... (1)

LithiumX (717017) | more than 6 years ago | (#21275507)

Heh. I specifically kept my old car after it finally broke down and was replaced (due to negligible trade-in value). Since then, I used it as a training platform for basic repair - and it works again.

That means I have a fully functional older car (and a 99 Saturn SL2 isn't that bad for an extra car), and I've been thinking along the same lines (though I intended to use a laptop - cheap older laptops seem much easier to maintain in a car due to low power, batteries, inbuilt (but removable) display, and increased durability).

Have you had any kind of luck finding anything like a HUD system? Even if it requires silvering part of the winshield...

Re:Cheap Cluster? (4, Interesting)

vrmlguy (120854) | more than 6 years ago | (#21276777)

The cheapest way to play with a Beowulf cluster is to set one up a cluster of virtual machines, using Xen or VMware. I'm more familar with the VMware products, so I'll describe them. You don't want VMware Player, since it is optimized to provide good graphics for playing games and the like. Instead you want VMware Server, which only supports standard VGA but is optimized to run lots of VMs in the background. Both of these are free, btw. Once you have your hypervisor set up, install several identical single-core VMs. Try for twice as many VMs as you have real processor cores. You almost certainly want to do this on a 2-way or 4-way processor, to get plenty of multiprocessing. You don't want to set up multi-core VMs, because they tend to perform much worse than virtual single-cores. "Attach" everything to a virtual switch than isn't connected to the outside world. Now you can experiment with all sorts of Beowulf configurations. Only when you get something that you like (say, for ray tracing) should you consider translating it into real hardware.

Cheap power efficient servers? (1)

Bert64 (520050) | more than 6 years ago | (#21274785)

What i'd like is a tiny power efficient motherboard, such that i can put lots of them in a rackmount case...
Coupled with a single PSU to power several baords (i figure a regular server psu should easily handle a stack of these small boards) and some high speed server fans to cool all of them at once (single boards shouldnt need much cooling, but a stack of them in a confined space would)...
And maybe a small unmanaged switch in the case too, running off the same PSU.
Like a blade server but on the cheap. Blade servers cost a packet for the empty chassis, and tend to be very power hungry.

Can this be done? Has anyone done this? I've seen craziness like places that host a stack of mac minis as servers, but surely the approach i mentioned would be more efficient... People want really cheap non-virtual hosting.

Re:Cheap power efficient servers? (3, Interesting)

Jorophose (1062218) | more than 6 years ago | (#21274903)

VIA used to sell a 4-socket C3 motherboard. A local store still has a few.

And since each C3 would consume only about 4-7W (depends on model) that's a grand maximum of 28W, probably idling at around 4W. It was intented for servers, but I don't think it sold very well. Still, it was a great idea.

Yes, but does it run linux? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21274877)

Oh wait....

the complete machine (2, Informative)

bcrowell (177657) | more than 6 years ago | (#21275045)

I kept checking the local walmarts for availability via the online inventory interface, and they were always out of stock. Checked SF, Chicago, NY, ... same deal. I wonder if there's been unexpectedly strong demand. The customer reviews on the walmart site look very positive. I finally ordered one via walmart's service where you can get it shipped to the store for free, and they'll you email when it arrives. This is for my young daughter to play flash games on, read wikipedia articles, etc. Not sure if I'll want to keep gOS or just install standard ubuntu. I guess I'll try installing gnome and seeing whether the performance is acceptable. The monitor and keyboard will probably end up costing more than the machine itself. I love the low power consumption, so I don't have to nag her to turn it off.

Re:the complete machine (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21275451)

and they were always out of stock. Checked SF, Chicago, NY, ... same deal.

Mine is apparently in transit to the store as of today (I ordered back when slashdot first carried the story) so I'm guessing that it's not vaporware, just slow to fill what they probably thought would be non-existent demand.

I'm buying it because I have a powerhouse machine for gaming on weekends, but weekdays that machine is running a 100W+ video card (with the rest of the gear added to it) to read email and surf da web. For $200, I can plug it into the monitor (has both VGA and DVI ports) and shut down the other machine during the week, and if this gOS thing completely drives me up the wall, I can put Ubuntu or anything else on it (but will it run Plan9?).

Re:the complete machine (1)

sowth (748135) | more than 6 years ago | (#21277595)

... I can plug it into the monitor (has both VGA and DVI ports) and shut down the other machine during the week ...

Wouldn't a KVM switch [] do this job? At the very least, I'd think it would save wear and tear on your high powered machine's video port in the long run. Sounds like it has an expensive graphics card.

Re:the complete machine (1)

Jairun (982778) | more than 6 years ago | (#21275925)

If you want to just go with Ubuntu and not use the gOS (which may meet your requirements). Check out Xubuntu, it's Ubuntu coupled with the lightweight XFCE desktop. I've heard the performance on low end systems is pretty nice and you can still use the normal Ubuntu support. Personally I just enjoy the desktop environment even though I don't really need the minimalist footprint.

VGA output? No thanks (1, Offtopic)

r_jensen11 (598210) | more than 6 years ago | (#21275081)

I'd be tempted to get this, but then I saw that it only has VGA output. If I'm getting something like this, it's not to use it as a desktop: it's to turn it into a PVR or a frontend for Myth. But no S-Video or DVI? That's suicide for this board. This means I'd have to go buy a video card for this, since all of my spare video cards are AGP, which just gets added on to the bill.

I guess I'll have to look elsewhere for a VIA board for my next PVR. I suppose I'll also have to wait until some cable-card device supports Linux, too.

Re:VGA output? No thanks (1)

rmcd (53236) | more than 6 years ago | (#21275343)

Maybe you can clear something up for me. I built a Myth frontend using an ASUS board (M2 NPV-VM) that supposedly had hdtv out on board, but I never got the fancy video options to work. I've ended up just using the VGA out (my 42" Panasonic HDTV has a computer input). It actually looks really good -- at 10' it's hard to distinguish the PVR signal from broadcast HDTV. I was surprised.

So I guess the two questions are: 1. Are you sure VGA won't do the job, and 2. What am I missing?

Re:VGA output? No thanks (1)

Constantine XVI (880691) | more than 6 years ago | (#21275907)

I don't see any major earth-shattering differences between VGA, DVI, component, or HDMI on our TV. The type of hookup doesn't magically change the quality of the picture.

Oh, and you won't be seeing any CableCARD devices that aren't a part of a full system until roughly the same time the Earth is roasted by the Sun. You'd be better off finding a good cable box that's easily controllable by Myth.

Thumbs up (1)

vladsinger (1049918) | more than 6 years ago | (#21275475)

Hey, it's linux on the desktop at the consumer level, and I like that.

gOS (1)

certain death (947081) | more than 6 years ago | (#21275841)

And...if you would just prefer to try out gOS on something you already have lying around, here is a direct link to download it. []

Have fun :o)

Re:gOS (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21277127)

Not the same (1)

SleepyHappyDoc (813919) | more than 6 years ago | (#21275983)

The board in the Wal-mart PC is mini-itx. This one is micro-atx. There's a difference. I got all excited when I started reading this article...a $60 mini-itx board would be very nice indeed.

Hahaha Dev Board... whatever... (3, Insightful)

andreyw (798182) | more than 6 years ago | (#21276107)

Apparently the only thing you need to peddle low-performing VIA-based crap these days is just to call it a "Dev Board". Hardware hack? What hardware hack? This is a basic run-off-the-mill PC motherboard. With a sloooowwww C7. If you're not hardware-modding your existing motherboards (via SMBus devices, or something else...) you are NOT MODIFYING THIS ONE EITHER.

"This is not a "low-cost board running Linux"... this is "a run-of-the-mill PC that can run Linux". And you're kidding yourself if you think that you cannot buy the same motherboard cheaper by going around these wily marketeers. What joke... and a slashvertisement. Buy Everex! Google in Everyone's Home!

Let's see what it DOESN'T have... This is like, seriously, 2004 tech here...
1) No gigabit.
2) Questionable AGP chipset
3) See 2 - No PCIe, given this is AGP.
4) VGA? At least not CGA...
5) Lots of legacy I/O ports no one cares about.

If you think you cannot by a BETTER motherboard for $60 is... well... I want some of whatever it is that you're smoking.

Re:Hahaha Dev Board... whatever... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21276243)

I do agree with you to a part but a better new mobo and cpu for 60?
if you know a cpu / mobo for 60$ please do tell

micro-atx is (yawn) boring (3, Interesting)

TheGratefulNet (143330) | more than 6 years ago | (#21276137)

teh new hotness(tm) is mini-itx or even smaller.

I called the local walmart to see if they had that cheapie pc in stock. they didn't. I didn't want to wait and I wanted to see what all this low-power VIA stuff was about.

so I got a true mini-ITX system which is using the same c7 cpu: []

note, it DOES RUN HOT. I am not kidding. I bought it as a fanless system to run myth-tv back-end on. it does - and it captures 2 HD streams ok over 10/100 VIA ethernet. but the heatsink runs VERY hot to the touch. no way could I even use a cover on that system for more than 15 minutes before it overheats.

if you plan to use that c7 cpu in something 'real', you better have good cooling.

More USB (1)

kylehase (982334) | more than 6 years ago | (#21277343)

On a board this small they should have tossed the PS/2 and parallel ports and instead added some extra USB ports or e-SATA.

This motherboard is identical to the PCChips V21G (1)

HouseOfMisterE (659953) | more than 6 years ago | (#21277983)

This motherboard has the identical layout and specifications as the PCChips V21G (1.5GHz Via C7, CN700/VT8237R+, etc.). I've owned one for several months, but haven't used it for much. It's currently set up dual-boot with WinXP Pro and Fedora Core 7. Video playback is kinda sluggish in Windows, and I haven't really messed around with multimedia playback in the linux install.
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