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Sony Still Not Happy With 'Home'

Zonk posted more than 6 years ago | from the take-out-the-trash-paint-the-walls dept.

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1up is reporting on comments made by Sony's Kaz Hirai to the Japanese magazine Famitsu. Hirai states that he personally is still not completely satisfied with the way Sony's ambitious Home project is shaping up. He also talks about the loss of the Monster Hunter franchise to the Wii, the lack of backwards compatibility in the newest version of the PS3, and other weighty holiday issues. "If anything, we believe the delay would have a positive effect. I personally am not satisfied with the current version of Home. This is a very big project for the PS3 and we want to make sure that we deliver to our hearts content. We hope everyone will look forward to its spring release next year."

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This is a shotgun, Sol (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21285687)

It's a fucking anti-aircraft gun, Vincent.

Re:This is a shotgun, Sol (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21285743)

Periwinkle blue?

Re:This is a shotgun, Sol (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21285793)

Can my boys get a pair o' dem shoes?

Well, you know what they say... (2, Funny)

Indes (323481) | more than 6 years ago | (#21285707)

Home is where the heart is.

  And if you're not content with your home, wheres your heart gonna be?

  (Hopefully not playing the Wii)

Re:Well, you know what they say... (1)

mink (266117) | more than 6 years ago | (#21340777)

If I learned one thing from Dr. Emilio Lizardo it is that "Home is where you hang your hat.".

NEWS FLASH: (4, Funny)

Perseid (660451) | more than 6 years ago | (#21285797)

Citizens of Home are finding their town shrouded in a mysterious vapor, causing residents to question whether or not they will ever actually exist.

Details at 11.

Re:NEWS FLASH: (1)

Gravatron (716477) | more than 6 years ago | (#21286675)

They have had a closed eta for a while you know. IF anything, it sounds like they heard the complaints and are working to make it better. Thats pretty strange, as most companies express nothign but hype over how something is comming along.

Well ok then (1)

Applekid (993327) | more than 6 years ago | (#21285821)

Given that he's the CEO of Sony's gaming division, I guess if he's not happy he is empowered to manage and organize so that he can become happy with it. Whining to the press about it certainly won't make it better.

Re:Well ok then (1)

Sciros (986030) | more than 6 years ago | (#21286083)

Well yeah, but to be fair it's an interview with Famitsu where he's talking about what people want to hear from him, not him calling some journalist at night while sobbing with a near-empty bottle of sake in his hand. ...Perhaps you would prefer a racy photo shoot of him in the magazine, wearing that Borat "swimsuit." Actually that would be pretty funny so nevermind.

Thanks for pointing that out (1, Funny)

Chuck Chunder (21021) | more than 6 years ago | (#21286205)

With your incredible insight I'm sure you can expect an invitation to the Sony board very shortly......

Re:Well ok then (2, Insightful)

LoverOfJoy (820058) | more than 6 years ago | (#21287089)

To be fair, it wasn't so much whining about the Playstation Home Service as it was spinning the delay. This isn't much different from Nintendo spinning their delays by saying they'd rather delay and give a good product that release on time with crap. Here's the pertinent part:

The delay of the PlayStation Home service was also announced, will this affect the company's future strategy?

Hirai: If anything, we believe the delay would have a positive effect. I personally am not satisfied with the current version of Home. This is a very big project for the PS3 and we want to make sure that we deliver to our hearts content. We hope everyone will look forward to its spring release next year.
That definitely seems more like spin than whine. He's just doing his job.

Sony's Not Exactly Setting the World on Fire (4, Insightful)

Petersko (564140) | more than 6 years ago | (#21285829)

Sony should probably be unhappy with a wide variety of PS3-related issues.

It's great fun seeing an arrogant bully get kicked square in the nuts and fold like a cheap lawn chair, but the desire to see them fail is all out of my system now. It's important that they succeed.

Re:Sony's Not Exactly Setting the World on Fire (1)

LWATCDR (28044) | more than 6 years ago | (#21285985)

"It's important that they succeed."

Why? Really why is it important to anyone but themselves that they succeed?

Re:Sony's Not Exactly Setting the World on Fire (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21286051)

Because if they fail, there's less competition.

Re:Sony's Not Exactly Setting the World on Fire (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21286471)

If they failed they weren't really competing very well, were they?

Re:Sony's Not Exactly Setting the World on Fire (1)

KDR_11k (778916) | more than 6 years ago | (#21286587)

I think that's not an issue, a leader failing is an example to others.

Re:Sony's Not Exactly Setting the World on Fire (2, Interesting)

Osty (16825) | more than 6 years ago | (#21287073)

Because if they fail, there's less competition.

Sega failed yet we still have three players in the console market. If Sony were to fail so horribly with the PS3 that they drop out of the market entirely, I wouldn't be surprised to see others try to enter the market in their wake. EA is probably the most likely candidate.

Re:Sony's Not Exactly Setting the World on Fire (1)

LKM (227954) | more than 6 years ago | (#21292451)

You think if Sony failed with the PS3, they'd leave the console market? I think not. I think they need to learn their lesson, fail miserable with the PS3, and then not make the same mistakes with the PS4 again.

It's all about the money. (2, Interesting)

Petersko (564140) | more than 6 years ago | (#21286843)

"Why? Really why is it important to anyone but themselves that they succeed?"

It's important because a very large base of owners will allow companies to keep making games with high development costs. Right now they're doing it primarily on faith.

Re:Sony's Not Exactly Setting the World on Fire (1)

LrdDimwit (1133419) | more than 6 years ago | (#21287099)

Because if Sony folds then it becomes "Microsoft versus Nintendo". Considering Microsoft's past history, a lot of people aren't too comfortable with that thought.

Re:Sony's Not Exactly Setting the World on Fire (1)

burndive (855848) | more than 6 years ago | (#21287501)

No one wants Sony to fold. We're perfectly happy with them continually buying themselves back in to a losing game.

I just hope they don't bleed enough money to make the DRM monstrosity that is Blu-Ray a success. As long as it goes the way of UMD, I'll be happy.

Re:Sony's Not Exactly Setting the World on Fire (1)

tlhIngan (30335) | more than 6 years ago | (#21287783)

just hope they don't bleed enough money to make the DRM monstrosity that is Blu-Ray a success. As long as it goes the way of UMD, I'll be happy.


Unfortunately, the target users for Blu-Ray (i.e., not us the viewer) wants DRM. That's unfortunately why a standard like HD-DVD is bound to fail - the DVD Forum guys may have learned from the mistakes of DVD (i.e., region coding), but at the same time, they're making it unpalatable to the studios, who want their content locked up tighter than Fort Knox.

Blu-Ray offers them that, beyond the already cracked AACS, they have BD+ (potentially cracked), ROM-Mark (not really a protection other than "third shift" and home bit-for-bit copies), and probably tons more in the works for BD Live (Blu-Ray 2.0). Heck, they even have region coding (see those $3 DVDs for China? Extrapolate for Blu-Ray. If HD-DVD won, people would flock for these cheap discs). No doubt, the regionalization was done with regards to current laws allowing DVD players to be region-unlocked.

It's an unfortunate reality, actually. The only real thing that can derail Blu-Ray is if they serious screw up the Blu-Ray 1.0 to Blu-Ray 1.1 (from draft profile to full profile) transition enough to get a bunch of people fed up, or if BD-Life (Blu-Ray 2.0) does the same. Or HD-DVD players suddenly decline to sub-$100 levels permanently like they have during the closeout sales, causing people to buy them since they are nice upscaling DVD players as well.

Re:Sony's Not Exactly Setting the World on Fire (1)

burndive (855848) | more than 6 years ago | (#21288497)

I am one of those low-price (sub-$200) HD DVD player buyers. I'm putting my money on HD DVD being cheaper, and also throwing my hat in with the less-restrictive DRM.

I fully expect that this holiday season, HD DVD players will be cheap enough for HD DVD to gain the momentum and popular awareness that it needs to succeed.

One great way for them to seriously screw up Blu-Ray is for the price to stay high.

Re:Sony's Not Exactly Setting the World on Fire (1)

trdrstv (986999) | more than 6 years ago | (#21290153)

I am one of those low-price (sub-$200) HD DVD player buyers. I'm putting my money on HD DVD being cheaper, and also throwing my hat in with the less-restrictive DRM.

Also have you noticed the BluRay discs are more expensive too? Unless you're forced to get an HD DVD "combo disc" both the players and movies are less expensive. Throw in the fact that HD DVD is Region free and output 1080p... Why (besides exclusive studios) would you pay the premium? What's the real benefit to the consumer?

Re:Sony's Not Exactly Setting the World on Fire (2, Insightful)

king-manic (409855) | more than 6 years ago | (#21287625)

"It's important that they succeed."

Why? Really why is it important to anyone but themselves that they succeed?
Because the competition (as well as Sony) have shown when they are on top they will be tyrants. So the best situation for gamers is a fairly close race and some diversity. The wii has a good install base, but some games will never come to the wii. So we need a Alternative to the 360 to continue to exist. Remember how each player failed when they dominated. Remember that competition improves markets and products. Thus int he interest of capitalism and gaming we need them not to fold up. Competition is good.

Re:Sony's Not Exactly Setting the World on Fire (1)

Ang31us (1132361) | more than 6 years ago | (#21298923)

Overall, Sony has helped expand the market for video games. As much as I despise the PlayStation brand, competition is good for the industry overall, because it keeps Nintendo and Microsoft on their toes. It is definitely important that they succeed.

Re:Sony's Not Exactly Setting the World on Fire (1)

LWATCDR (28044) | more than 6 years ago | (#21299311)

You make an assumption that no one else would bring out a console. Maybe Apple would. Maybe Google would, maybe Sega would comeback.

Re:Sony's Not Exactly Setting the World on Fire (1)

Ang31us (1132361) | more than 6 years ago | (#21299855)

You're right, of course...but how many consoles can this market support? As it is, development houses like EA want a standard console architecture to develop for to reduce the up-front cost of creating games.

Apple has a pretty shoddy track record of supporting gamers and I have no idea what a Google offering would even look like.

I never bought a Sega Master System, Genesis, 32X, Sega CD, or Saturn, but when they put out the Dreamcast while lying on their console manufacturer deathbed, I went out and bought the system and all of the best games to try to support them in the hopes they would stay alive. Alas, they are only developing software these days, but I would like to see them competing in the console wars. Sony and Microsoft played a significant role in the end of Sega console production. The market at that time was able to support four major console manufacturers, even though the DC was a good product.

Re:Sony's Not Exactly Setting the World on Fire (1)

LWATCDR (28044) | more than 6 years ago | (#21300699)

A game console from Apple does make sense. I think we will see Apple getting into games for the iPhone in a pretty big way even if they are just simple Tetris type games.
How many game consoles can be supported. I don't know. If it can only be two then live would really be ugly if our choices where only Sony and Microsoft.
If Sony totaly fails with the PS3 I doubt that will be the end of Sony game consoles. Heck them failing might be the best thing that ever happened. Maybe they will back away from DRM everything and produce a great PS4.
Now would I like to see Sony Totally fail! Yes I would. I think it would send a huge message that DRM is doomed to fail. I just don't think I will see it happen. I do think that Blueray is just about dead.

Re:Sony's Not Exactly Setting the World on Fire (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21286035)

"Sony should probably be unhappy with a wide variety of PS3-related issues."

What the fuck are you babbling about?

issues?

The hardware is rock solid with people playing games and folding at home for months at a time.

The graphics the PS3 is putting out are insane - Ratchet and Clank, Uncharted, Killzone, GT 5 Prologue vs. 640p last gen looking Halo 3(LOL!)

BluRay has won the next gen format war

Manufacturing prices have plummeted

Sony dominated every major gaming show/conference this year first GDC with LittleBigPlanet and Home, then E3 with half of their giant first party lineup, and finally TGS with the second half of their first party line.

The PS3 is going head to head with the half as expensive Wii in both Europe and Japan as the 360 continues to die in those markets.

The 120 million selling PS2 is still cranking along at an amazing sales rate worldwide seven years into its life - gee, wonder what system all those people buying PS2s today for FinalFantasy, MetalGear, GT, etc... will be buying over the next five years...

Oh wait! That's right, Microsoft sold a bunch of copies of Halo 3 and replacement 360s to a bunch of Xbots in the US. LOL! Sony is doomed!

Re:Sony's Not Exactly Setting the World on Fire (0, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21286163)

I understand that you're afraid to log in, given how inane your comments are, but I have to wonder: How do you prove you wrote these comments when it's time to get paid? I mean, sure, your style is obvious, but if I were your boss I'd want something more tangible before I handed over that sweet sweet cash.

Re:Sony's Not Exactly Setting the World on Fire (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21286639)

awww.... cut the poor delusional boy some slack. By posting as AC he gets to use the "my other persona is an even bigger asshole" karma bonus point.

Touchy, aren't we? (2, Insightful)

Petersko (564140) | more than 6 years ago | (#21287289)

"What the fuck are you babbling about? issues? The hardware is rock solid with people playing games and folding at home for months at a time."

Never said a word about the hardware. I own a PS3 (no games, but lots of movies). Their issues are in every single other area, including sales, marketing, and third party support services. They're blowing it. If you don't think they have issues, think again.

"BluRay has won the next gen format war."

They have not. There's at least 18 months left in this silly war, and Sony never wins format wars. I'm buying the new Samsung dual-format player in January because the war is going to continue.

Sony has to outsell the 360 by over 200,000 units every month for until 2012 just to catch up.

Re:Touchy, aren't we? (1)

king-manic (409855) | more than 6 years ago | (#21287697)

They have not. There's at least 18 months left in this silly war, and Sony never wins format wars. I'm buying the new Samsung dual-format player in January because the war is going to continue.

Sony has to outsell the 360 by over 200,000 units every month for until 2012 just to catch up. Depends on the market, Sony has lost the US, has a solid #2 in Japan and in several other markets.

Also sony have won formats. they are roughy 1:1 success vs failures.

Wins:

3.5" floppy
CD
DVD
Sort of MD
BetaCam

Loses:
Betamax
memstick
UMD
ATRAC

It's not as clear as you have put it. At the moment Blu-ray is still outselling HD DVD despite a late start.

Re:Touchy, aren't we? (1)

syrinx (106469) | more than 6 years ago | (#21288145)

I'd put MD in the loss column, and DVD was not Sony. (Sony and Phillips abandoned their multimedia disc idea and switched to Toshiba et al.'s version, which eventually became DVD.. so Sony supported it eventually, but it wasn't their format.)

3.5" disks, the CD (split with Phillips, who's no stranger to failed formats themselves *cough* cd-i *cough*), and Betacam they get, though. :) Disks and CDs are pretty good successes, admittedly.

Re:Touchy, aren't we? (1)

king-manic (409855) | more than 6 years ago | (#21288703)

I'd put MD in the loss column, and DVD was not Sony. (Sony and Phillips abandoned their multimedia disc idea and switched to Toshiba et al.'s version, which eventually became DVD.. so Sony supported it eventually, but it wasn't their format.)

3.5" disks, the CD (split with Phillips, who's no stranger to failed formats themselves *cough* cd-i *cough*), and Betacam they get, though. :) Disks and CDs are pretty good successes, admittedly.
Depending on if you consider markets outside the US. The MD format was a smashing success all over Asia. North America just didn't have the need for it and thus it failed there.

Even memstick/memstick duo can be seen as a tepid warm success or at least not an outright failure. I mis called the DVD thing.

In any case it's habitual failure but common failure.

Re:Touchy, aren't we? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21310375)

Sony won CD, DVD, 3.5 inch floppies, etc.

I disagree when you say PS3 has issues. I'm thoroughly enjoying mine. Fun system.

The only issue I see is fanboy retards bashing it all the time, sickening

Re:Sony's Not Exactly Setting the World on Fire (0, Troll)

Ang31us (1132361) | more than 6 years ago | (#21286111)

Dude, you're so right. I have bashed the PS3 so badly and now that they see the error of their ways, I'm also feeling sorry for them.

They really are getting their asses handed to them by Nintendo and Microsoft. I hope the suits at Sony have the guts to stick it out until the PS3 reaches a reasonable consumer price-point ($200-$250), because I think that everyone is going to need a blu-ray player and 1080p gaming a year or two from now.

Re:Sony's Not Exactly Setting the World on Fire (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21286223)

> They really are getting their asses handed to them by Nintendo and Microsoft

LOL! What an idiot!
The PS3 is neck and neck with the Wii in European sales - and that is before this new price cut! The 360 is dead in all of Europe outside of the UK.
The 360 is completely dead in Japan.
The PS3 and Wii are getting close to the same monthly sales in Japan.
Oh wait, you're just some moronic US fanboy running his mouth off about US 360 sales during Microsoft's release of their only 'big game' Halo 3...

LOL! Ang31us you are a pathetic fanboy. Get a life, get a clue.

Re:Sony's Not Exactly Setting the World on Fire (1, Insightful)

Pojut (1027544) | more than 6 years ago | (#21286283)

I've often wondered...I understand that folks such as yourself get paid to bash the competition, but does your employer (Sony, I'm assuming) really believe that by bashing potential customers that they will win over more buisness?

It just seems odd to me that you are bashing the USERS of other products...

Flaiming Competitors, and politics... (1)

trdrstv (986999) | more than 6 years ago | (#21286705)

I've often wondered...I understand that folks such as yourself get paid to bash the competition, but does your employer (Sony, I'm assuming) really believe that by bashing potential customers that they will win over more buisness?

I don't understand the mentality either, but it is big in political campaigns as well. Personally I've never been a fan of voting for someone who's platform is based on "I'm better than so and so, because they do ___". It tells me they have nothing to offer but criticism. This however must work on some level otherwise people wouldn't still do it, right?

Re:Flaiming Competitors, and politics... (1)

Pojut (1027544) | more than 6 years ago | (#21287039)

One acronym, three letters:

DRM.

Thank you folks, you've been a wonderful audience! Remember to tip your waitress.

Re:Flaiming Competitors, and politics... (1)

king-manic (409855) | more than 6 years ago | (#21287657)

One acronym, three letters:

DRM.

Thank you folks, you've been a wonderful audience! Remember to tip your waitress.
So you have decided to boycott all 3?

Re:Flaiming Competitors, and politics... (1)

Merls the Sneaky (1031058) | more than 6 years ago | (#21290285)

Maybe he just won't boycott the one thats cracked easiest.

Re:Flaiming Competitors, and politics... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21287379)

Isn't that why tthere are so many *NIX variants?

Re:Sony's Not Exactly Setting the World on Fire (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21286299)

I think you need to go to vgchartz.com or at least look at the companies most recent financial statements ...

Currently the Wii has sold (approximately) 2 Million more systems in Europe than the PS3, and the Wii is outselling the PS3 nearly 2 to 1 in Europe (after the price cut). The PS3 is fucked ...

Re:Sony's Not Exactly Setting the World on Fire (1)

BosstonesOwn (794949) | more than 6 years ago | (#21294935)

They could still pull it out.

They need to get people on board with the cell. As a dev I know multiprocessor coding is difficult and the new compilers that are allowing us to spend more time coding then figuring out what needs to be run in parallel while waiting on another process to finish. The kernel in the xbox 360 does a better job of actually breaking the executable into different executable code for the different cores, strictly because it has the compiler in the DK that does it. MS has years of multi proc experience and did it right here.

Sony DK is bad , the compiler is an ibm knock off and not a whole lot of it is friendly to the devs. It is a poor example of a multi proc compiler. They like other OS devs need better multi proc compilers with the vision to create an executable that has multiple executables built inside of it and have those mini apps sent to a core by the kernel to be worked. The Sony dk takes time to learn to do well , while the 360 is very close to windows in a multi core environment.

Sony needs to invest heavily in the developers at this point and work with them in making the games easier to run across the cell. Once that happens it could very well tip the scale in their favor. The 360 was not really designed for full hd gaming the ps3 was.

For now until the ps3 comes down to the $300 price point with hdmi , rj45 jack , and wireless controllers they don't have my money. But I do still tinker with the code to try and get more apps running better on the ps3 linux port :)

Re:Sony's Not Exactly Setting the World on Fire (1)

KDR_11k (778916) | more than 6 years ago | (#21286619)

The 360 is completely dead in Japan.

Which fascinatingly is sufficient to outsell the PS3 this week.

Re:Sony's Not Exactly Setting the World on Fire (1)

Reapman (740286) | more than 6 years ago | (#21287219)

Source? Because that would be amazing, the last I saw the difference was about 6x (18k vs 3k), in favor of the PS3.

Assuming your right, I would'nt pop the champaign just yet. The PS3 has in previous weeks outsold the 360 in America (see price drop), but I hardly call the PS3 a victor over here. Far from it.

Re:Sony's Not Exactly Setting the World on Fire (1)

KDR_11k (778916) | more than 6 years ago | (#21287777)

I can't find a website listing it, only forum posts but Famitsu apparently puts the 360 at 17k sales compared to 16k for the PS3 for 29. oct to 4. nov. Proper articles on it will probably become more numerous soon. While I agree it doesn't mean much it does emphasize to me that both consoles are scraping along the bottom when it comes to sales numbers there so that even a spike that's small in absolute numbers is enough to move one over the other in the weekly charts.

Re:Sony's Not Exactly Setting the World on Fire (1)

Reapman (740286) | more than 6 years ago | (#21290907)

Hmm... I never thought about it as scraping the bottom for the 360 and PS3.. but that's probably a really good way of putting it. I haven't found anything that disproves what you said. That would be impressive for the 360 if they can keep it up, it's usually far, far, FAR behind. It's all DS, PSP, and Wii (of course) in Japan these days from the looks of it.

Re:Sony's Not Exactly Setting the World on Fire (1)

KDR_11k (778916) | more than 6 years ago | (#21292241)

I doubt it'll keep up, just a momentary sales spike from the release of Ace Combat 6. Interestingly 360 games do appear in the software top 20 quite often.

Re:Sony's Not Exactly Setting the World on Fire (1)

Reapman (740286) | more than 6 years ago | (#21294789)

I was reading elsewhere (forget the source now, probably Joystiq or some such) that the 360 sells more games per console then the other 2 by a fairly wide margian.

I would wish for all three to remain competitive, just having 2 is too close to one going out for the count and us left with a monopoly. Nintendo's had a bad history with that in the past, and of course MS and Sony need no explanation as to why that would be bad. :)

Re:Sony's Not Exactly Setting the World on Fire (1)

Chuck Chunder (21021) | more than 6 years ago | (#21290933)

link [kotaku.com] . Didn't see that one coming!

Re:Sony's Not Exactly Setting the World on Fire (1)

Reapman (740286) | more than 6 years ago | (#21290971)

That IS freakin amazing.

Re:Sony's Not Exactly Setting the World on Fire (1)

mink (266117) | more than 6 years ago | (#21341355)

Why do you think people will NEED them (1080P games and blue-ray)? Want, I can understand but need seems a bit much.

Re:Sony's Not Exactly Setting the World on Fire (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21286927)

It's great fun seeing an arrogant bully get kicked square in the nuts and fold like a cheap lawn chair, but the desire to see them fail is all out of my system now. It's important that they succeed.
Actually it's quite vital that they fail, and fail completely.

If they succeed, we'll be stuck with Blu-Ray, one of the most DRMed and crap media standards ever created. (Any media format that requires a Java virtual machine isn't worth supporting, ever.) It strips away your rights, to the point where the very output device used to view the media can be declared "unworthy" of their content.

It's absolutely vital that the PS3 fail and fail in every way possible.

For competition's sake I'd like to see Sony continue with a PS4 (this time without the attempt to take over the media market), but the PS3 failing in every way imaginable is vital.

Re:Sony's Not Exactly Setting the World on Fire (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21290307)

It's only vital for you. For the mass market, your principles aren't so important. It's not really on the average person's radar to check the piratability of a new media format.

Re:Sony's Not Exactly Setting the World on Fire (1)

GammaKitsune (826576) | more than 6 years ago | (#21290501)

Obviously, you weren't a die-hard Nintendo fan for the recent years of famine and despair. Having owned a Gamecube and nothing else during that time, and having stuck with the DS when it appeared to be going down the gutter, I can safely say that I still love each and every minute of nut kicking that Sony receives. Arrogant pricks.

Yet Another Pathetic Bit Of Zonk Fanboy Spin (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21285877)

Anyone notice how few people actually comment in gaming stories here on Slashdot anymore? It's fanboy crap like these endless Zonk "I hate teh Sony PS3' stories that has driven away everyone but the tiny lunatic "I too hate teh Sony PS3' fanboys.

Honestly Zonk, get a fucking life. Go start your own "I hate teh Sony PS3" blog that you and your tiny group of fans who still post here. Let someone who actually cares about game handle what you clear lack the maturity to do so.

Home is a gigantic project. It simply isn't done yet and has been delayed for some three to six months.

Golly, that wasn't too hard now was it Zonk?

Home is comprised of:

* A MMORPG engine at its core
* A streaming video/content service
* A set of tools and APIs for developers to create and manage their content inside of Home
* A way for PS3 users to stream content right off their own systems seamlessly with content from both Sony and third party services
* A very detailed set of technologies for avatar management and creation
* A set of APIs and libraries for creating games and events inside of Home - all the way from little arcade games all the way up to mini-custom MMORPGs inside of Home itself

The amount of technology and effort Sony has put into the entire Home system is staggering. They have been actively working on it since the early PS2 days. It is an insult to gamers that some little punk fanboy like Zonk is using a place that should be for discussing technology and software as his personal fanboy blog.

Go away Zonk. You're an embarrassment to gaming.

Re:Yet Another Pathetic Bit Of Zonk Fanboy Spin (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21286029)

How is it spin to report what Kaz Hirai himself said?

The summary lists some topics that Hirai discusses and then ends with a verbatim quote. That's not spin.

Which isnt to say Zonk isn't a fanboy or anti-sony, just that this particular story seems fair.

Re:Yet Another Pathetic Bit Of Zonk Fanboy Spin (3, Insightful)

Turken (139591) | more than 6 years ago | (#21286043)

I don't like replying to AC trolls, but tell me... how exactly is this article a bunch of "Zonk hates teh Sony fanboy crap?"

The article summary simply described the contents of a third-party source. There was no blatant negative spin put into the summary or the choice of quote. I was wondering why I hadn't heard much about Home lately. I read the article, and now I know what at least part of the holdup is. Since I don't spend all day trolling gaming blogs and fanboy sites, this was news to me. And for putting a link to this news on Slashdot, I say Thank you, Zonk.

Re:Yet Another Pathetic Bit Of Zonk Fanboy Spin (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21286075)

Oh god what a piece of shit you are from one quick glance at your pathetic post history.

Get the fuck off this board you piece of garbage.

Re:Yet Another Pathetic Bit Of Zonk Fanboy Spin (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21286549)

Interestingly enough, the same could be said about you.

Re:Yet Another Pathetic Bit Of Zonk Fanboy Spin (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21292021)

Get the fuck off this board you piece of garbage.
This isn't a fucking board, you bbcode-quoting shit monkey!
 

Re:Yet Another Pathetic Bit Of Zonk Fanboy Spin (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21286923)

Because zonk only posts the negative crap when it comes to the PS3. Whereas the far more newsworthy release of V2.00 system software *today*, and what it offers, unsurprisingly, gets totally ignored by him. Too busy chucking his load over some wank '360 blog I guess.

Re:Yet Another Pathetic Bit Of Zonk Fanboy Spin (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21287509)

The 2.00 update would be newsworthy if it actually did something that the majority of users cared about. But given the offered changes, I think that the delay of a highly hyped and discussed feature is just as newsworthy (if not more so) than the addition of a few minor tweaks. Do you think also slashdot should post an article every time (insert OS of choice here) releases a minor update?

Re:Yet Another Pathetic Bit Of Zonk Fanboy Spin (1)

LKM (227954) | more than 6 years ago | (#21292525)

The updatee which installed that annoying little scrolling thing which constantly tells me meaningless gibberish? Yay, let's discuss that.

Re:Yet Another Pathetic Bit Of Zonk Fanboy Spin (1)

cornface (900179) | more than 6 years ago | (#21288003)

It's not that Zonk is a fanboy, it's just that he is a terrible poster with nothing interesting to say.

I don't know about other PS3 owners... (5, Insightful)

Hamster Lover (558288) | more than 6 years ago | (#21285921)

but I bought my PS3 to play HD games. I really could not care less about Home and I hope to hell that Home doesn't replace the awesome XMB interface.

Obviously, I am not the target audience here, but does a target audience even exist? I honestly do not see what Sony is attempting to achieve with Home other than unnecessarily complicate the on-line experience. I'd rather Sony put the effort into creating some good games, which are in remarkably short supply at the moment.

Don't get me wrong, I love my PS3 (and my 360), but Home has zero appeal to me on machine I bought to play Drake's Fortune and Assassin's Creed.

Re:I don't know about other PS3 owners... (4, Interesting)

Devir (671031) | more than 6 years ago | (#21286153)

I dont know what Sony "Home" is. I'm looking forward to more "remote play" capable games for the PS3/PSP mix. I'm totally awaiting more PS1 games that I can play including FF7.

THe XMB interface is "ok" at best. THey seriously need to overhaul the video, and music portion of the system. In fact, they should hire the guys who created "Xbox Media Center" for the original Xbox. THat is one sweet piece of software and can completely replace the Xbox and "evox" dash for modded xboxes.

Seriously, I try to copy music over and it comes over in one long list 1000 lines long. I try to copy it by artist and that fails. The ps3 interface for music and video is horrid. I cant make playlists as well.

Sony is not bad, it's just that they're trying to do too much too quick, and making it sloppy. Instead of analyzing t he market and predicting needs and trends, they're reacting to the market and responding to trends. This makes a rushed out the door feel to products. THey need to step back, analyze what the consumer wants and provide that.

For now My modded Xbox has no media center replacement.
For now the PS3 is my updated PS2.
I want backwards compatability, hence why I rushed to buy the 60 gig.
I want to download games, and stream to my PSP.
I want more remote play titles. Heck, I'd love to be able to play a PS2 game through remote play.

There's tons of things Sony "could" do with the PS3. They just need to stop, step back, take a global look, and start revising it piece by piece. Start with more PSP interoperability. I love that feature.

Re:I don't know about other PS3 owners... (4, Informative)

rworne (538610) | more than 6 years ago | (#21286557)

Seriously, I try to copy music over and it comes over in one long list 1000 lines long. I try to copy it by artist and that fails. The ps3 interface for music and video is horrid. I cant make playlists as well.


Wow, they must have heard you and then issued a firmware update that addresses this very problem...

Seriously, v2.0 was released this morning and includes playlists, themes, and remote play. How much of an improvement it is is still up to debate.

Re:I don't know about other PS3 owners... (1)

Devir (671031) | more than 6 years ago | (#21287333)

Ok then. I just got home, I read this response, and wam, turn on the PS3. THe update is downloading now.

Thanks for letting me know this, since it was a very important item on my "Ps3 gripe" list.

37% downloaded, grr DSL. FIOS install tomorrow.

Re:I don't know about other PS3 owners... (1)

trdrstv (986999) | more than 6 years ago | (#21287377)

Wow, they must have heard you and then issued a firmware update that addresses this very problem...

Seriously, v2.0 was released this morning and includes playlists, themes, and remote play. How much of an improvement it is is still up to debate.

Did they add an "auto off setting" for an inactive controller, or do I still have to manually turn off the controller every time?

What Home is (1)

LKM (227954) | more than 6 years ago | (#21292557)

Remember in the early 90s when everyone thought online shops would be virtual 3D things where you walk through virtual 3D stores, put virtual 3D goods into your virtual 3D basket, then virtually carry your 3D basket to a virtual 3D cash register and virtually paid virtual 3D money?

That's Home, except for online communities and videogame matchmaking instead of online shopping.

Instead of a linear list of buddies you can chat with, invite to games or otherwise interact, you get a virtual 3D home with virtual furniture (that you actually buy with real money). You can then walk around with your buddies, go to movie theatres or play games. It's all very weird, 90s-ish, and a bit dumb.

Re:What Home is (1)

Devir (671031) | more than 6 years ago | (#21293069)

I'm scared for the future then...

Updated system. Interface still sucks. They need to steal ideas from the Xbox Media Center. It's not nice when a multibillion dollar company gets beat out by a couple of guys programming semi gray legal software for free.

Re:What Home is (1)

LKM (227954) | more than 6 years ago | (#21293399)

They need to steal ideas from the Xbox Media Center

Yes. And from the Xbox blade interface, and from the Wii interface.

Frankly, the PS3 interface is a mess. It's a neat idea for the PSP, where you have few things, but on the PS3, it just breaks down. Scrolling through my list of movies or games actually takes probably about half a minute from top to bottom. Why can't we have some way to order this stuff into directories? Sorting everything by activity also doesn't quite work: If I played skate and want to watch Paprika on Bluray, I eject the game. The disc disappears from the interface. Then I put in the movie. Nothing happens. Why doesn't the disc appear? Ah, because you have to get out of the "game" area and go into the "movie" area despite the fact that you simply replaced the disc. Different discs appear in different places. That's just confusing.

Oh, and the online shop is not only unorganized, but also slow. Sony, check out the Wii shop and the 360 shop. Copy that.

Just don't turn the whole thing into a 3D virtual shopping mall or something. There's a reason nobody uses VRML. Thanks.

Re:What Home is (1)

KlomDark (6370) | more than 6 years ago | (#21297857)

Did Melinda Gates jump ship to Sony? Sounds a lot like her old Microsoft Bob project.

Re:What Home is (1)

LKM (227954) | more than 6 years ago | (#21299477)

Same general idea, except in 3D.

If they were smart (1)

fawzma (1099863) | more than 6 years ago | (#21285977)

they'd widgetize the whole thing and let their users decide how the place looks.

Why is this news? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21286057)

wtf? "Executive thinks unreleased product needs more work before it can be released". Duh?

PS3 will grow wings. (-1, Troll)

EverTroy (1186461) | more than 6 years ago | (#21286853)

Microsoft sold millions of consoles, but Halo 3 pretty much marks the beginning of the end for the 360. Sorry folks, it's as good as it gets and looks to be all downhill from here.

Nintendo has this wacky controller that people aren't really sure what to do with. Yeah, it's great for some sword fighting games or maybe some Wii sports... but what happens when u just wanna sit back, relax, and play something casually? Well, you can't because you have to wave your arms around like a mad man! What if I was sick in bed and just wanted to play my Wii... that's pretty much not gonna happen. So, Mario Galaxy is gonna come out here in a few days. To me, the game seems too easy, and it's not really going to be a system seller since their systems pretty much sell themselves and are pretty hard to find. I'm very unhappy with my Wii; physically, graphically, and the release list from now until Q2 of next year looks like complete crap. I'm selling it.

The PS3 has a much brighter future than both consoles. The release list from now until Q2 2008 looks freakin' sweet and this Home thing looks really interesting to me. Superior graphics, BLU-RAY, backwards compatability (certain models), and much much more make this system so much better. Yeah, the system costs $399-$499, but you can't get a good blu-ray player for under $400 so that really makes the gaming components FREE (or under $100 depending on model but u get what I'm saying).

Honestly, the PS3 is a bargain.

360 is dead and the Wii is not far behind.

Re:PS3 will grow wings. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21286995)

So how much are you getting paid, or are you this delusional in real life?

Seriously, there is no unbiased source that would claim the PS3's line-up this christmas is anything but pure dogshit in comparison to their competition, and every interesting game (MGS, FFXIII) has been delayed until the PS3's userbase is acceptable.

The PS3 doesn't have "Superior Graphics" unless by better you mean the PS3 runs the same game as the XBox 360 at a dramatically worse frame-rate. Blu-Ray is a waste of money being that you can buy a HD-DVD player for $99 and if it wasn't for the PS3 we wouldn't even care that it existed.

Re:PS3 will grow wings. (1)

EverTroy (1186461) | more than 6 years ago | (#21287129)

I'm not talknig about the holiday season, I'm talking about the line-up from now until Q2 2008... and besides the multi-platform stuff, I can't find any really good exclusives for the 360 that I'd really want. Do you know about the limitations of that beloved HD-DVD that u speak so highly of? That stupid movie transformers couldn't even fit HD audio on it with the video. So you pay thousands of dollars for your HDTV and surround sound system with all the bells and whistles just to buy some HD-DVDs that can't support the audio. Sorry, but seems to me like with the advent of organic dye for the blu-rays and the huge 100-200GB capacities of the disc makes HD-DVD worthless. Now I ask YOU how much YOU are getting paid because I know Microsoft has millions of dollars to give away to morons.

Re:PS3 will grow wings. (4, Insightful)

amuro98 (461673) | more than 6 years ago | (#21288743)

The whole "just wait...You'll see!" attitude of Sony's and their fans is tiring.

First off, "coming soon!" doesn't sell hardware.

Second, there's no guarantee that those big titles will even come out on time, or will even be any good to begin with. Look at 2007. MGS4 - slipped. Home - Slipped. Lair - Probably the most disappointing game of the year.

Even if the upcoming titles come out on time and will be good, it may be literally too little too late. Right now Sony is facing their second holiday season of being dead last. Their current library can't compare to that of the 360's or the Wii's. Sony has tried to address the price issue by creating their 4th(!) console model in under 12 months, but them lobotomized it by removing all PS2 backwards compatibility from it!

Sony is on a slippery precipice. Unless they can get more PS3s and games into peoples' hands, and soon, developers are going to grow tired of waiting and will stop making PS3 exclusive games (or stop developing for the PS3 altogether) at which point, it's game over for the PS3. 2008 is really going to be the PS3's last chance. Blow it, and the PS3 won't survive to see Christmas 2009.

As for blu-ray and hd-dvd movies, the whole market is messed up. Seriously, any idiotic company who thinks customers are going to willing to buy a device that can only play 50% of the movies on the market should just be put out of our miseries. Seriously, who's bright idea was it to make the consumer choose? Despite all the dick-waving that fanboys like you are doing, there's really no difference between HD-DVD and Blu-Ray. Both hold HD video and surround sound. Beyond that, you have to be a fanboy, or an engineer who's more interested in technical minutiae than just watching movies.

Most of the market that can even take advantage of these HD formats are just sitting on the sidelines letting the other idiots waste their money and get burned in yet another stupid format war. Seriously, have folks forgotten the mess that still is DVD-R vs. DVD+R? Two formats, doing identical things, but in an incompatible manner, fight for market domination until one company says "why choose?" and comes out with a hybrid drive that handles both. The same will happen for HD video, and when those drives come out, every player that can't play both formats will be instantly obsolete. Which again, just proves how stupid both sides in this "war" are being...

Re:PS3 will grow wings. (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21289367)

The whole "just wait...You'll see!" attitude of Sony's and their fans is tiring.
Your "PS3 is dead" attitude is tiring. Go play red-ring-roulette on your XBox and shut up already.

First off, "coming soon!" doesn't sell hardware.
It gives potential buyers more confidence. So, yes it does. Ask Microsoft.

Even if the upcoming titles come out on time and will be good, it may be literally too little too late.
You may just be guessing, or sadistically hoping.

Right now Sony is facing their second holiday season of being dead last.
It's barely been out more than a year, douche bag.

As for blu-ray and hd-dvd movies, the whole market is messed up. Seriously, any idiotic company who thinks customers are going to willing to buy a device that can only play 50% of the movies on the market should just be put out of our miseries.
Jesus, so they shouldn't compete?

Despite all the dick-waving that fanboys like you are doing, there's really no difference between HD-DVD and Blu-Ray.
Uhhhh.. whoa ok.. like 2/3 greater capacity and anti-scratch coating? Does it take an engineer to figure out 50>30? DVD's didn't come out yesterday, more than a FEW people are aware how scratch sensitive they are and had DVD's skip or stop playing. HD-DVD is no different.

Which again, just proves how stupid both sides in this "war" are being...
You are one stupid mother fucker. Come back in ten years and tell us that 50GB and anti-scratch coating weren't worth it. I don't really give a damn if you don't want better TV, keep what you have and shut up. BTW, no player will be obsolete so suddenly, your existing library will not stop working, and you can pick up the much cheaper "winning" player in the future to get more movies.

What the fuck is wrong with you? You are one of, if not _the_ dumbest PS3 doomsayers I've ever come across. Crawl back under your bridge and watch SD TV the rest of your life, you failure.

Re:PS3 will grow wings. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21304065)

The main reason why TimeBomb360 has more games than PS3 is because they dumped XBox1. Most of the game publishers had to move on to the TimeBomb360, while they could still release PS2 games for PS3 (thanks to it's high percentage of backwards compatibility). By removing the backwards compatibility in the latest 40GB PS3, Sony is encouraging more game publishers to release PS3 versions.

You are comparing Blu-ray/HD-DVD against DVD-R/DVD+R, but they are not identical. Blu-ray offers substantially more storage space per layer than HD-DVD while DVD-R/DVD+R did not. What's this has got to do with 'Home' anyway?

Re:PS3 will grow wings. (1)

amuro98 (461673) | more than 6 years ago | (#21339121)

Microsoft's move from Xbox to the 360 has nothing to do with the number of games. Developers knew well in advance that the 360 was going to be coming out, and had plenty of time to transition over as they saw fit. Even after the 360 came out, there were still a handful of Xbox games that came out afterwards. In addition, Playstation developers had even MORE time. Sony delayed the launch of the PS3 by 6 months for US and Japan, which most people assumed would have been used by the developers to work out any problems left in their launch titles, which are always under an extreme deadline. That didn't happen. In addition, several PS3 titles slipped several months - including Lair - and yet these delays seem to have done nothing for the final product.

As for the lobotomized 40GB PS3, removing backwards compatibility just makes the jump from PS2 to PS3 that more daunting. A lot of PS2 owners don't want to get rid of their PS2 games, but also think $500 is too expensive for a "partially compatible" PS3. As for developers, what do you think they're going to do when they look at the sales numbers, see that the PS2 is STILL outselling the PS3 in terms of hardware AND software, realize they could bang out a PS2 game fairly quickly, or struggle to produce a PS3 game that won't sell? Either that, or the same developers will notice that both the 360 and Wii are outselling the PS3 by a large margin, have better attach rates (more titles sold per console) and decide that the PS3 probably isn't the best choice for focusing their next-gen efforts on.

Both Blu-Ray and HD-DVD hold a full length feature movie in HD, with multiple soundtracks in surround sound, and have space left over for various sundry extras, all on one side of one disc. Therefore, from the point of view of the home video consumer, HD-DVD and Blu-Ray ARE IDENTICAL. Disc size does not matter here. Sure, when you're dealing with, say, TV programs, more space could mean more episodes per disc, and less discs on the shelf. But as we've seen with plain-old-DVD, studios RARELY used up an entire single-layered DVD, much less a dual-layered one. Do you really think things will change with HD-DVD/Blu-Ray?

Even if you really are a true size-queen, there are already multi-layer HD-DVDs under development which basically match Blu-Ray's sizes. Big whoop. The size issue will mainly be interesting to computer users, but with PC based burnable drives still costing close to $1000, not to mention the stupid format war, it'll be awhile before we see people making backups using these formats.

Sony's HOME project is their attempt at creating a seamless online world which will help players create and join online game sessions, as well as just hang out and socialize. Sony hyped HOME a lot during last year's E3, and the months leading up to their first public beta last summer. HOME was supposed to have gone live late last month, but then got delayed - like so many other PS3-related items - until next April or so. Honestly, until April, the PS3 is incomplete. It lacks its true controller - the DS3 (due in the US in April 2008) and its current online network is basically just a place holder for HOME (also due in April 2008).

Re:PS3 will grow wings. (1)

flitty (981864) | more than 6 years ago | (#21287005)

What a troll man, please get of /. and go read your "news" from Sonydefenseforce.com please, much more suited to trolls like you.

Re:PS3 will grow wings. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21287313)

Lets see here... brand-spanking new slashdot account (first ever comment is THIS?)... glowing praise of PS3 while dissing all the competitors... "hip" substitution of "u" for "you"...

Looks like a textbook case of astroturfing to me.

Seriously, what's with the extra helping of SonyDefenseForce trolls today? Is the end of the pay period and their crap quotas need to be filled by today or something?

Re:PS3 will grow wings. (1)

LKM (227954) | more than 6 years ago | (#21292567)

but what happens when u just wanna sit back, relax, and play something casually? Well, you can't because you have to wave your arms around like a mad man!

I suggest you try actually playing with a Wii. One of the main complaints people have is that you don't have to get up to play.

By the time Sony is happy... (1)

CelticLo (575344) | more than 6 years ago | (#21302505)

...I will urinate myself while convulsing with laughter if a new blade appears on xbox live offering a very, very similar virtual environment. Well at least they have the servers to run such a venture.
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