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Google Honors Veterans Day, Finally

kdawson posted more than 6 years ago | from the that-wasn't-so-hard-was-it dept.

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theodp writes "It took nearly a decade, but Google has done a turnabout and is honoring Veterans Day with a special holiday design for its famous logo. Users who log onto Google's home page are greeted with three World War I-era helmets capping the letters 'o' and 'e' in Google's name. The decoration is a marked departure for the company, which has come under fire from veterans' groups for ignoring American holidays such as Veterans Day and Memorial Day since Google's inception in 1999."

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KDawson (5, Insightful)

Romancer (19668) | more than 6 years ago | (#21320669)

There needs to be a moderation system for editors.

And since it's been slashdotted... (4, Informative)

Romancer (19668) | more than 6 years ago | (#21320707)

Here's the text from a google search and finding another blog carrying the text:

By Joe Kovacs
© 2007 WorldNetDaily.com

Google's commemoration of Veterans Day 2007, the first time it has honored the U.S. holiday
It took nearly a decade, but Internet giant Google is finally honoring Veterans Day with a special holiday design for its famous logo.
Users who log onto Google's home page today will see three World War I-era helmets capping the letters "o" and "e" in Google's name.
The decoration is a marked departure for the company, which has come under fire from veterans' groups for ignoring American holidays such as Veterans Day and Memorial Day since Google's inception in 1999.

The firm, known for its widely used search engine, regularly modifies its logo to commemorate holidays, historical events and figures.

"Maybe all the pressure is paying off," said WND reader Donna Hunter of Philadelphia. "God bless all our soldiers!"
When the Los Angeles Times asked the California-based firm about the issue earlier this year, spokeswoman Sunny Gettinger responded, "Google's special logos tend to be lighthearted and often scientific in nature. We do not believe we can convey the appropriate somber tone through this medium to mark holidays like Memorial Day."
The Ledger newspaper of Lakeland, Fla., called that excuse "laughable."

As WND reported last year, Google had no problem honoring the war dead of other countries, creating a special logo with poppies for Remembrance Day in Australia, Canada, Ireland and the United Kingdom. http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=52914 [worldnetdaily.com]

And for the ninth year in a row this past spring, Google declined to mark Memorial Day - something the company has done for the Chinese New Year, Valentine's Day, Halloween and other observances. http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=55900 [worldnetdaily.com]

Just last month Google acknowledged an accomplishment of the communist Soviet Union, which launched the Sputnik space satellite 50 years ago.
With the surprise launch of Sputnik 1 in 1957, the Soviet Union leaped ahead in the race for space between the U.S. and the communist empire. Sputnik's success followed the failure of the first two Project Vanguard launch attempts by the U.S. http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=57982 [worldnetdaily.com]

Google also has given special honors for astronomer Percival Lowell, artist Edvard Munch and Louis Braille, inventor of the writing system for the blind.

Other days commemorated included National Teachers Day, Women's Day, Ray Charles' birthday, World Water Day and St. George's Day.

Besides overlooking Memorial Day and Veterans Day until today, it also has ignored Christmas.

Google has been criticized for its one-sided political contributions and content policies:

Rejecting an ad for a book critical of Bill and Hillary Clinton while continuing to accept anti-Bush themes
Rejecting ads critical of Rep. Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., while continuing to run attack ads against former House Majority Leader Tom DeLay, R-Texas.
Allowing the communist Chinese government to have the search engine block "objectionable" search terms such as "democracy."
In addition, the company came under fire for an editorial decision giving preferential placement to large, elite media outlets such as CNN and the BBC over independent news sources, such as WND, even if they are more recent, pertinent and exhaustive in their coverage.

As WND reported, 98 percent of all political donations by Google employees went to support Democrats, and as a matter of fact, Al Gore is now a senior adviser to Google.

Google CEO Eric Schmidt gave the maximum legal limit of donations to Democratic presidential nominee Sen. John Kerry and to primary candidate Howard Dean.
Schmidt also contributed the maximum amount to Sen. Clinton.

Re:And since it's been slashdotted... (1)

dotgain (630123) | more than 6 years ago | (#21320719)

TFA loaded in seconds for me...

Re:And since it's been slashdotted... (1)

Romancer (19668) | more than 6 years ago | (#21320739)

It was down the whole time I searched for, copied and edited in the links, for the article. Gave a timeout probably 4-5 times while I was searching for the article and again before I hit sumbit. Checking now, it comes up immediatly.

Looks like they have a late but good load-balancing setup.

Re:And since it's been slashdotted... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21321007)

I honestly can't believe that fucking World Net Daily got linked by slashdot.

Seriously.

Those people are fucking insane. You might as well link to the bottom 10% of the content on the Democratic Underground. Or any of the content on StormFront.org.

Idiotic, fascist keyboard warriors. I hope they all die painfully.

And honestly... anybody who links them should get raped by a spool of razor wire. It's fucking awful.

Re:KDawson (5, Informative)

gnalle (125916) | more than 6 years ago | (#21320741)

They already have that. Just go to preferences->homepage and disable him. http://slashdot.org/users.pl?op=edithome [slashdot.org]

Re:KDawson (0)

mikaelhg (47691) | more than 6 years ago | (#21320945)

Indeed, I only log on to Slashdot to browse it so that I can filter KDawson's crap out. Previously to that, Jon Katz's.

Under Fire? (3, Insightful)

tehwebguy (860335) | more than 6 years ago | (#21320675)

I thought that part of the point of Google's honorary logos was that the holidays had to be:

1. Completely obscure and unheard of
or
2. A MAJOR (American) holiday

I don't understand why anyone would actively attack them over not including this particular one..

p.s. first?

Re:Under Fire? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21320681)

No. Fuck off and die.

Re:Under Fire? (3, Insightful)

Lord Artemis (1141381) | more than 6 years ago | (#21320699)

Yeah, attacking a company for not making a pretty logo is...downright silly.

Re:Under Fire? (1, Troll)

Wiseman1024 (993899) | more than 6 years ago | (#21320845)

Groups of Americans are attacking Google over something asinine to distract the attention from the real, severe problems of the USA, such as an absolute lack of and desdain for ecology, corporativism (DRM, patents, digital AIDS in general), massive external debt (on par with many third world countries), and the fact that they have the redneck village idiot in the white house.

Re:Under Fire? (1)

RuBLed (995686) | more than 6 years ago | (#21320701)

They should just stick to those two rules or else we would see a different Google logo everyday. I guess they caved in to this particular request since it wouldn't hurt much to add it.

World Nut Daily (4, Insightful)

Whiney Mac Fanboy (963289) | more than 6 years ago | (#21320725)

The summary:

which has come under fire from veterans' groups for ignoring American holidays such as Veterans Day and Memorial Day since Google's inception in 1999."


should read:

which has come under fire from nut-job websites for rightly dropping their nut-job non-news site from the news index"


World Nut Daily are a bunch of kooks, with a knife to grind. Getting listed in google news was a wet dream for them. Getting delisted ('cause they aint a news site), really pissed them off. They've had an anti-google axe to grind ever since.

Re:World Nut Daily (1, Interesting)

Abrax (981838) | more than 6 years ago | (#21320895)

If you read the article a little further they also say Google hasn't posted any Christmas logos until recently. Is that true? I do agree that Google is extremely Liberal though, 99% donating to Democrats all the time to the max limit and even heavily involved with Democrat Bill Clinton fund raising who is well known for corruption issues. And they have had accusations from posting only liberal based attack ads and not Republican or conservative. Also they say that Google has preferential treatment for CNN, ABC etc. in Google News. Is that true? Also they say that Google has Armistice (military) day logos for other countries all along but not the U.S.

Re:World Nut Daily (1)

Silverlancer (786390) | more than 6 years ago | (#21321055)

Google employees donate roughly 93% Democratic. Google as a corporation donates roughly evenly. This is not at all surprising to anyone with a clue, given the business they are in and who their employees are.

Re:World Nut Daily (5, Funny)

KevinIsOwn (618900) | more than 6 years ago | (#21321069)

Everything the article says is true. Google not only doesn't post Christmas logos, they hate Christmas, and they will use their new cellphone based Google OS to send signals into the air to turn Santa Clause into a mindless, liberal zombie. He will give presents of thongs and condoms to children, along with bootlegged copies of Brokeback mountain. Google will use liberal attack ad propaganda to turn us all into communists.

Maybe you should read the "article" a little further. You'll find advertisements made with a nice big dose of crazy.

Re:World Nut Daily (3, Funny)

Khuffie (818093) | more than 6 years ago | (#21321169)

I like your version of Christmas and would like to subscribe to your newsletter.

Bugger WorldNutDaily with a rusty chainsaw (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21321115)

covered in AIDS.

Rememberance Day? (5, Informative)

Xiroth (917768) | more than 6 years ago | (#21320687)

Uh, November the 11th sort of is an internationally observed day - in most parts of the world it's called Armistice day or Rememberance day, though. Much as I hate to break up the nationalism party, the end of World War I did sort of affect more than just Americans.

Re:Rememberance Day? (1)

IntelEmployee (980408) | more than 6 years ago | (#21320693)

Blasphemy!

Re:Rememberance Day? (5, Funny)

MageWyn (6983) | more than 6 years ago | (#21320697)

It affected Mexicans and Canadians?

Re:Rememberance Day? (1)

AceM2 (655504) | more than 6 years ago | (#21320789)

Yes, it did.

Re:Rememberance Day? (5, Informative)

feepness (543479) | more than 6 years ago | (#21321119)

It affected Mexicans and Canadians?
Oh, you might say it had a minor effect [collectionscanada.ca] on Canada.

Re:Rememberance Day? (1)

theshowmecanuck (703852) | more than 6 years ago | (#21321203)

please mod parent informative. WWI was a turning point in Canadian history (as a country).... check the parent's link.

Re:Rememberance Day? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21320773)

No, you've got it wrong, while we in the UK are standing commemorating the loss of so many lives in needless conflict over the years, as we stand silent for two minutes, we scribble down unpleasant comments about the yanks, they're so special that we take a moment to spit upon them and ignore their casualties. Oh, wait, no we don't. So where's the need for their own day of military glorification while the rest of the world is in mourning?

Re:Rememberance Day? (0, Flamebait)

Eivind (15695) | more than 6 years ago | (#21320853)

Sure it did. But it -is- some time ago, nearing a 100 years. Not only is everyone who'd remember it dead, pretty much everyone who have parents who remembered it is also dead. The -grandfather- of my -grandfather- would remember it, though he was only a teenager when the war went on, however not only is he dead, but all his children and all his -grandchildren- are dead.

Short story: November 11th is, in practice, a completely ignored day in Scandinavia and Germany. Despite WW-I having had very noticeable effect on those countries, particularily Germany.

In any average year there's 3791 (give or take a great gross) different "days" to observe. 99% of them are completely ignored by 99% of the population, as it has to be, you can't practically observe 10 different days on every day of the year.

Re:Rememberance Day? (1)

TomPudding (666975) | more than 6 years ago | (#21320903)

Not quite everyone who remembers it is dead: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7084764.stm [bbc.co.uk]

Re:Rememberance Day? (1)

LingNoi (1066278) | more than 6 years ago | (#21321215)

So five left? It happened 90 years ago. I wish people would just get on with their lives we got more problems today with other wars which are killing people but we never spend the time to think about them.

For example all those monks in Burma that died to peacefully protest their government. They'll never be remembered apart from their 15 minutes of fame on the news.

Re:Rememberance Day? (1)

HuguesT (84078) | more than 6 years ago | (#21321153)

Maybe the 11th of November 1918 is forgotten in Germany, as it was a huge defeat and the signal for the start of an incompetent democracy (Weimar) and the slow rise of the Nazi party.

However it is not forgotten in the UK, France or Australia. Not everybody who fought in that war is dead yet. The last remaining survivors are well over 100, but there are a few left, at least two in France.

Re:Rememberance Day? (2, Insightful)

foobsr (693224) | more than 6 years ago | (#21321183)

November 11th is, in practice, a completely ignored day in Scandinavia and Germany.

Quite true. In Germany, at least in the more southern parts, November 11 is (and was as long as I can think back) more famous as the 'Karneval' (carnival) season starts at exactly 11:11 (a.m.). BTW, a google-logo in honour of this 'important' date would fit to the 'no evil' image much better.

CC.

Re:Rememberance Day? (-1, Troll)

no-body (127863) | more than 6 years ago | (#21320941)

Uh, November the 11th sort of is an internationally observed day

Yes, absolutely - 11.11 at 11:11 is the official beginning of Carnival in Munich.

Another drift - IMO, Googles giving in is regrettible.
All this glorification of destructive force is one of the greatest shams running - right next to religion and no sex before marriage.
No soldiers & no polititian can use them for mischief, period! All this hollabaloo is necessery to keep the exploit going.
There are much more efficient ways possible. Put the jerks in a boxing ring. Bush and Ahmadinejad - aren't they about the same size? Let them bang it out, put the money saved in infrastructure, education and research and watch the change in a country after a decade!

Re:Rememberance Day? (5, Informative)

Chibi Merrow (226057) | more than 6 years ago | (#21321043)

All this glorification of destructive force is one of the greatest shams running


Actually Armistice Day is the glorification of an end to a bit of needless destructive force being applied across most of Europe. Thanks for playing, though.

Re:Rememberance Day? (1)

Opportunist (166417) | more than 6 years ago | (#21321095)

Not only could that save money, it could generate a fortune. I mean, put that on pay-per-view and watch the bucks roll in!

Re:Rememberance Day? (1)

Zelos (1050172) | more than 6 years ago | (#21321099)

Exactly. I know watching all those old soldiers march past the Cenotaph in London laying wreaths for their friends who didn't make it back really fires up my blood and makes me want to start another war.

Re:Rememberance Day? (1)

antifoidulus (807088) | more than 6 years ago | (#21321137)

Hey, the original poster is probably German, so you know how those Krauts love war(or at least don't like celebrating wars they caused and then lost)

Re:Rememberance Day? (1)

Kilnr (1187811) | more than 6 years ago | (#21321037)

You mean, the patriotism party. Nationalism is constrained by ethnicity, patriotism by modern geo-political entities.

yeah, but remember what? (4, Insightful)

m2943 (1140797) | more than 6 years ago | (#21321081)

Looks to me like people are remembering the wrong thing. On November 11, one should commemorate fallen soldiers. But one should also remember the political and social issues that caused millions to die in WWI and WWII in the first place, the international cooperation it took to win in those conflicts, and the dangers of right wing populism, nationalism, and militarism.

It seems to me those lessons are getting lost, in particular among the right wing nuts that complain about Google not having a special logo for Veterans Day.

Veterans Day! (1)

nephridium (928664) | more than 6 years ago | (#21321093)

Make no mistake: if we are talking about the "Veterans Day" what is usually meant is the day in which Americans honor their veterans. Most other nations don't honor their veterans on this day (none that I know of) and sure as hell not nations such as Vietnam, Guatemala, Laos, Cambodia, Nicaragua, Lebanon, El Salvador, Grenada, Bolivia, Iran, Somalia, Afghanistan, Iraq or any other country where troops were/are deployed to the dismay of the local population.

I have no problem with people honoring their (violent) ancestors, because obviously without their tribute and sacrifice these certain people might not be here. Yet, not everybody wants to honor those ancestors as a collective on a specific day, some may choose to honor them in their own way, some may choose not to honor them at all and some, as mentioned, don't have any reason whatsoever to honor them to being with.

I guess one way to narrow down the number of pissed off people today would be to confine these 'Veterans Day reminders' to viewers with US IPs (well, and those for the US military abroad, obviously). As far as I can tell they are actually implementing this.

Googley woogley woo (5, Funny)

Joe Jay Bee (1151309) | more than 6 years ago | (#21320689)

BREAKING NEWS! Google updates logo for public holiday. HOLY SHIT!

Cos I was just thinking, we didn't have enough google (non)-stories on Slashdot...

Under Fire (1)

cosm (1072588) | more than 6 years ago | (#21320695)

Althougth I do feel it was definitely a long time coming for the Vet/Mem Day logos, I do realize why they hesitated for such a long time. With such a wide user base, and remember folks, Americans are not the only ones that 'google' things, even referencing to soldiers or an American holiday based on the respectable if not questionable work of our men/women in uniform could cause some flak to head their way by folks who aren't so happy with our soldiers, despite all the respect we do owe them as a nation, others might not feel that way.

Regardless, kudos to google for seeing the light.

Patriots are Idiots. (0, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21320987)

Really, not even religion makes people as dumb as patriotism. Those who have nothing to be proud of (neither brain, nor trouser contents) have to be proud of their country. Disgusting.

Re:Patriots are Idiots. (2, Insightful)

Opportunist (166417) | more than 6 years ago | (#21321121)

You can be proud of your country's achivements. A country as a whole can pull off remarkable feats. I can well see a person from the USA being proud that their country pulled together to put a man on the moon. That's a national feat. And being proud of your country's achivements (as long as it doesn't so happen to be some inventor who just happens to live there) is quite acceptable in my books.

What's utterly BS is being proud to be from a certain country. What's there to be proud of? That you were born there? Yeah, great feat. You're my hero. Question for 500: What did you do to make that country great?

Nobody who's proud to be from $country managed to claim those 500 so far.

Re:Patriots are Idiots. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21321193)

Really, not even religion makes people as dumb as patriotism. Those who have nothing to be proud of (neither brain, nor trouser contents) have to be proud of their country. Disgusting.
You have confused patriotism and nationalism. This is not surprising since the nationalists intentionally try to blur the distinction between them. Sadly the small minded tend to fall into that trap.

Two problems (4, Informative)

Chibi Merrow (226057) | more than 6 years ago | (#21321091)

1) There's separate Google sites for non-American users, so recognizing Memorial Day doesn't have to offend anyone outside of the US.
2) 11/11 isn't just an American Holiday. There were several nations involved in WWI. Most (on the winning side) recognize Armistice Day (last I checked), in some form or another. Hence the WWI style flak helmets on the logo, which are rather appropriate. In the US and most Commonwealth countries they have since extended the Holiday to honoring all Veterans, though...

Re:Two problems (1)

johnsie (1158363) | more than 6 years ago | (#21321177)

There's a google site at Google.US so maybe they should've put the veterans day stuff on that. Dot com has a much more international feel to it.

Good for Google, but... (5, Insightful)

flabbergast (620919) | more than 6 years ago | (#21320703)

couldn't we have picked a better source for the info? Yes, Google acknowledges Remembrance Day in Canada (as pointed out in this blog/whatever), but that doesn't mean they have to acknowledge Veterans/Memorial Day. Am I glad they did it? Sure. Do I believe they have to? No. Does World Net Daily have to go off on how Google is supposedly left leaning? Umm...no. I got to this part, and threw up a little in my mouth and called it a day.
"In addition, the company came under fire for an editorial decision giving preferential placement to large, elite media outlets such as CNN and the BBC over independent news sources, such as WND, even if they are more recent, pertinent and exhaustive in their coverage."

Who bloody cares? And "elite" media outlets? WTF does that mean? Independent news sources? How is the BBC not an independent news source? And what does this have to do with acknowledging Veterans Day? I would have preferred they simply said "Those commie pinkos in Silicon Valley aren't red blooded Americans for supporting Veterans." What a bunch of crap.

Re:Good for Google, but... (1)

truesaer (135079) | more than 6 years ago | (#21320817)

And "elite" media outlets? WTF does that mean?


I imagine it is similar to pagerank...CNN, BBC, etc do well in relevance algorithms because they're widely linked to. Thus, it is a conspiracy to oppress WND, right?? Honestly, some people have an oppression complex. WND's editorial quality is equivalent to your average blog, they get traffic and cross linking in a tier well below the likes of CNN, so they're treated as a boutique site in the news ranking algorithm. I can't imagine any algorithm that could manage to pick WND over other news sites based on an objective, mechanical metric.

Re:Good for Google, but... (1)

Chibi Merrow (226057) | more than 6 years ago | (#21321103)

How is the BBC not an independent news source?


The same reason NPR isn't, I'd guess...

Re:Good for Google, but... (1)

feepness (543479) | more than 6 years ago | (#21321191)

How is the BBC not an independent news source?
Because it's been owned by the British state for the last 80 years?

Subtlety in Web Design (4, Insightful)

compumike (454538) | more than 6 years ago | (#21320709)

While it's amazing that this story is newsworthy... it's worth taking a look at the bigger picture: people take notice at Google's logo changes because they've kept an uncluttered appearance. On most websites, you probably wouldn't even notice a small logo change!

In general, the so-called Web2.0 revolution has brought about much more single-purpose tools, compared to the multi-tools of the past. This leads to deeper functional design and performance, instead of deep integration (which is only slowly coming along thanks to mashup-enabling technologies).

The message is clear: web designers, get to the point! Don't distract your users. Make every word and every image count.

--
NerdKits: Educational microcontroller kits for the digital generation. [nerdkits.com]

Who cares... (5, Insightful)

Orthuberra (1145497) | more than 6 years ago | (#21320711)

Do these same veterans groups attack Yahoo, MSN, and Altavista for not decorating their logos with militaria on Veteran's Day? This is a non-news post about a bunch of whiners if you ask me. Google's decoration can be purely voluntary and random for all I care.
--As a USMC veteran to all the whiners, shut up.

Reasonable (2, Insightful)

denoir (960304) | more than 6 years ago | (#21320717)

Celebrating one specific country's past abilities of blowing up other countries may not be beneficial for a company that operates globally.

Re:Reasonable (4, Insightful)

Pyrion (525584) | more than 6 years ago | (#21320795)

Then they should title the image "Armistice Day" instead of "Veterans Day," just for that added pinch of spite (and for the sake of historical accuracy).

Re:Reasonable (1)

lachlan76 (770870) | more than 6 years ago | (#21321027)

Well, Remembrance Day (I'm assuming it's the same as Veterans' Day over your way) is supposed to celebrate the end of the war---the peace, not the fighting itself. Hence the whole eleventh minute/hour/day/month business.

This story stinks (5, Insightful)

Oddster (628633) | more than 6 years ago | (#21320747)

Click on their poll link at the end of their article, and this is what passes off:

What are your thoughts on Google now that it designed a logo for veterans?
  • Fantastic! Google has had its head up its search engine for more than 7 years!
  • I'm glad to see the change of heart, and I'll use Google more often
  • I still have major gripes with Google, but at least this is a small step in the right direction
  • Looks like someone reminded people at Google they live in the U.S. and enjoy freedoms soldiers have shed blood fighting for
  • 1 lonely logo for veterans since 1999? Whoopidy-freakin-doo!
  • Google's logos are irrelevant
  • Google only did it to get WND off its back
  • Must have been the new guy who did the design. He's not hip to the anti-American company rules yet
  • Google is still evil, and must be shunned at all costs
  • Other
And I RTFA'd too. No, these people don't have any sort of bias against the Googles. . . Put this WorldNetDaily.com on your list of propaganda websites that are too stupid to even try to appear objective.

Re:This story stinks (3, Funny)

RuBLed (995686) | more than 6 years ago | (#21320787)

at least they got other

Re:This story stinks (1)

Aminion (896851) | more than 6 years ago | (#21320801)

Fantastic! Google has had its head up its search engine for more than 7 years!
I'm glad to see the change of heart, and I'll use Google more often
I still have major gripes with Google, but at least this is a small step in the right direction
Looks like someone reminded people at Google they live in the U.S. and enjoy freedoms soldiers have shed blood fighting for
1 lonely logo for veterans since 1999? Whoopidy-freakin-doo!
Google's logos are irrelevant
Google only did it to get WND off its back
Must have been the new guy who did the design. He's not hip to the anti-American company rules yet
Google is still evil, and must be shunned at all costs
Other
That pretty much sounds like /. on any given day... ;)

Re:This story stinks (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21320865)

No it doesn't. There's no option for CowboyNeal.

Reaching for it (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21320767)

From TFA,

Just last month Google acknowledged an accomplishment of the communist Soviet Union, which launched the Sputnik space satellite 50 years ago.

Yes, they did. Because that "accomplishment of the communist Soviet Union" was a first for all mankind. Geez guys.

Anyways,

As WND reported last year, Google had no problem honoring the war dead of other countries, creating a special logo with poppies for Remembrance Day in Australia, Canada, Ireland and the United Kingdom.

Did they this year? I didn't notice either Nov11 special logo, logging in from CA to the .com.

News for Nerds? Stuff that Matters? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21320779)

Can we stick to the correct subject matter please?

It wont do any good (5, Funny)

truesaer (135079) | more than 6 years ago | (#21320781)

The "Google hates America!" claim was absurd as they have a special logo for Independence Day which is suitable flag themed. Some people just refuse to understand that the logo is changed only sometimes, and for a motley assortment of reason from serious (they have logos for memorial/veteran's day in Australia for example) to obscure (World Water Day). It isn't meant to recognize the top 20 most important events in history or something.


At any rate, I think it's safe to say that next year WND will be bitching about Memorial Day and Columbus Day. And if they got logos for those it would be Reagan's Birthday and the day they pardoned Oliver North. You can't win with these whiners. It's a freaking logo, this is the stupidest controversy in history.

In Defense of Google (4, Insightful)

vga_init (589198) | more than 6 years ago | (#21320815)

I'm not going to defend Google from the position of a fan, but only to say how I would feel if I were in that same position.

If I had to design logos for my company based on holiday themes, what do you think I would do when I came across Veteran's Day? I can't think of any appropriate way to symbolize veterans without displaying something explicitly national or military. The holiday doesn't really have any symbols other than American flags and stuff, and that's not too great for public relations as I'm showcasing a particular country's role in a major war. War means killing people. Lots of people. Lots of people whose dead relatives and ancestors (on the other side of the conflict) are now customers of mine.

Personally, I'd want to sweep this one under the rug. Google couldn't do that because of all the bad press it was getting, so they finally drew some army helmets. Sure, it's military equipment, but at least helmets save lives and rarely (if ever) end them. Also, the green little helmet doesn't have to identify any single nation, even though it's an American holiday.

Re:In Defense of Google (1)

aussie_a (778472) | more than 6 years ago | (#21321063)

I'd probably do a severed arm. Remind people the real cost of becoming a veteran.

Re:In Defense of Google (1)

Bogtha (906264) | more than 6 years ago | (#21321117)

The holiday doesn't really have any symbols other than American flags and stuff, and that's not too great for public relations as I'm showcasing a particular country's role in a major war.

Isn't the poppy pretty damn iconic as far as Rememberence Day is concerned?

Also, the green little helmet doesn't have to identify any single nation, even though it's an American holiday.

It's an international holiday. Calling it an American holiday borders on the offensive to many people. At the very least you entrench the stereotype of USA as self-centred and ignorant or the rest of the world.

Re:In Defense of Google (3, Insightful)

David at Eeyore (20627) | more than 6 years ago | (#21321223)

November 11 is hardly a holiday! In many parts of the english-speaking world and Europe, Remembrance Day is a solemn occasion where wreaths are laid at war memorials and a minutes silence is observed by many people at work and elsewhere at 1100 hours. I believe that it is also called Armistice Day in some parts of the world.

Re:In Defense of Google (2, Insightful)

wwahammy (765566) | more than 6 years ago | (#21321237)

Well if you really want to nitpick, technically Veterans Day is solely an American holiday as other countries celebrate Rememberance Day (which I think is more appropriate but crazy thing is no one asked me).

The poppy isn't well known for Veterans Day in the US. In fact until I found it on wikipedia a few months ago, I had no idea that about the significance of the poppy and November 11. From Google's perspective it wouldn't make much sense to make a logo that would make no sense to one of their largest markets. Military helmets are more universal in this case

Why is it a holiday? (3, Funny)

niceone (992278) | more than 6 years ago | (#21320819)

Why is it a holiday? Looking after the nation's pets and livestock is a necessary job, but hardly worth an anual holiday, let alone a Google logo.

And what have WWI helmets got to do with it anyway?

Re:Why is it a holiday? (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21320905)

That would be "veteran", as in a person who served in the military, not "veterinarian". November 11th commemorates the end of World War I. It is celebrated as Veterans Day, Rememberance Day, or Armistice Day in various parts of the world.

Oh, reminds me... (1, Flamebait)

Erikderzweite (1146485) | more than 6 years ago | (#21320841)

I do remember the outcry from some us-senators when google has put the Sputnik on its logo.
Just as I thought, some US-Americans (unfortunately, many of them hold some power in the country) desperately want to forget and deny the simple fact, that it was the Soviet Union who made it first - Sputnik, first manned space journey, first space station - and not their precious US of A.
[offtopic]I bet, none of them even knows what communism means, they believe it's for "big bad evil with GULAG inside"[/offtopic]

Re:Oh, reminds me... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21320975)

Yeah, but communism is such a convenient term.

Re:Oh, reminds me... (1)

Saffaya (702234) | more than 6 years ago | (#21321011)

Or when the Nasa describes Gagarin as the first 'european' in space.

as per your offtopic :
[offtopic] The US of A are slowly becoming in the minds of people "big bad evil with GUANTANAMO inside [/offtopic]

Okay that does it- I want Queens day to be honored (1)

mrjb (547783) | more than 6 years ago | (#21320883)

Flame me all you want on this one, but I find the demands for acknowledging veterans day are both quite US centric and utterly unsensitive to the rest of the world.

What if I would DEMAND that Google also include the Dutch "Queen's day" for the rest of the world to see? That wouldn't make sense at all. But at least it's not as insensitive as rubbing salt into the wounds of Iraqi or Afghan or Vietnamese or Japanese people who visit Google (and the list will keep growing for a while). I'm sure those people will be thrilled to know that the killers of their lost family are being honored on this special day.

As for traffic from other countries being redirected to their respective national google site- that doesn't hold for those of us who go to http://google.com/ncr [google.com] to have access to the latest goodies that Google has to offer.

Re:Okay that does it- I want Queens day to be hono (3, Insightful)

Brian Lewis (1011579) | more than 6 years ago | (#21320931)

Flame me all you want on this one, but I find the demands for acknowledging veterans day are both quite US centric and utterly unsensitive to the rest of the world.

What if I would DEMAND that Google also include the Dutch "Queen's day" for the rest of the world to see? That wouldn't make sense at all. But at least it's not as insensitive as rubbing salt into the wounds of Iraqi or Afghan or Vietnamese or Japanese people who visit Google (and the list will keep growing for a while). I'm sure those people will be thrilled to know that the killers of their lost family are being honored on this special day.
If you actually check, google is only putting this out on the US version of the site, ie www.google.com a quick look at www.google.co.uk will clearly show the helmets are not there.

Try doing some research before making stupid demands to the search engine gods.

Re:Okay that does it- I want Queens day to be hono (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21321015)

Maybe you're the one that needs to do a little bit of research. A tiny bit, like noticing that ".com" is not ".us", and is in fact an international site rather than a "US version". This is clearly demonstrated by the fact that every other national Google home page (e.g google.co.uk) has a link "Go to google.com" on it, which they obviously wouldn't do if google.com was intended to be a "US version".

Re:Okay that does it- I want Queens day to be hono (1)

Brian Lewis (1011579) | more than 6 years ago | (#21321033)

Google is an AMERICAN company, founded in America.

We celebrate American holidays.

If an EU company decides to built a massive search giant and put their nations holidays into cool little logo's, more power to them. Why bitch and moan about an American company not being respectful to the people we were at war with. Hell I'm surprised germany, vietnam, and japan aren't still pissed that we have based and make them take english as a manditory subject! That's more offensive than a fucking logo FFS.

but thats just IMO.

Re:Okay that does it- I want Queens day to be hono (3, Funny)

Etrias (1121031) | more than 6 years ago | (#21320949)

I wonder how they would make a caricature of Freddie Mercury embedded in the Google logo?

Check WW1 history you dolt (5, Insightful)

SmallFurryCreature (593017) | more than 6 years ago | (#21321065)

I am ashamed you are a countryman of mine. Iraq back then was part of the Ottoman empire, so didn't even exist back then. Japan was on the "allied" site. Vietnam was a french colony, so on the same side as the US (when the americans finally got involved).

The 11th of november is remembered in the western nations that took part in WW1, this includes the US, canada, great britian, france and belgium at least. It is NOT a US day. It is also not a celebrations, it is a remembrance of those who died. Not a glorification of killing but a rememberance of the loss.

It is similar to our 4th of may, we remember those who died, ALL who died, in conflict. This includes those on the other side. No we do not lay reefs at site of nazi war criminals, but the graves of german soldiers are tended too and they too are remembered.

Frankly most soldiers from these past wars have learned to forgive but never forget, they can talk with their former enemies, why can't you get over it.

As for google displaying a bit of pride in the US, it is a US site. Let the afghans and iraqies and anyone else with a beef against the US go on their own internet and use their own search engines.

As a dutch person surely you must have noticed how everything turns orange around queens day? How should people from Suriname feel about that? Enslaved by dutch forces, to pay for the dutch empire, about this day?

Start looking a little closer at home before you start blaming other countries.

Re:Okay that does it- I want Queens day to be hono (1)

aussie_a (778472) | more than 6 years ago | (#21321087)

Why do you want a logo for J Edgar Hoover and his ilk? For that matter why do they even get a holiday?

Call of duty (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21320917)

Well, here I was thinking it was commemorating the release of Call of Duty 4. Well, either way, it works for me.

As a Veteran... (5, Insightful)

Brian Lewis (1011579) | more than 6 years ago | (#21320921)

I am a recent United States Navy Disabled Veteran, I was very happy to see this little design.

Most people think veterans day is just "another day", but to the people serving in the military, and fighting for your rights, it means a lot. Each and every time I see anything that honors veterans, it really makes my day.

Shit, I cry during the National Anthem and the Pledge because, as a former military member, those words really do mean a lot more to me.

When they're right, they're right (0, Flamebait)

hugecabbage (950972) | more than 6 years ago | (#21320951)

The first thing I noticed on the WorldNetDaily site was a an ad for a cruise with G. Gordon Liddy and some hottie with a t-shirt saying, "I survived Roe V. Wade." Seems reasonable that they'd want Google to honor the blowing up of those other, freedom-hating peoples.

Give me one good reason (3, Interesting)

Opportunist (166417) | more than 6 years ago | (#21320979)

Care to tell me why Google should feel "bad" about not celebrating (if you can call it celebrating) a holiday nobody outside the US cares about? Or rather, why should they be "forced" to consider some national holiday important?

Halloween, ok. It's more or less international by now. Christmas? Ok, as long as it's done in a way that isn't Christo-centric and includes other religions' celebrations (you know it's actually Midwinter, right? It's not like the Pope invented that one). I can see Chinese new year, as it's celebrated by Chinese people all over the world and not just by people in the PRC. Even the Sputnik launch makes sense, less in a commemoration of the achivements of the Soviet Union as rather a stunning achivement in technology (personally, I don't give a rat's behind who does something great as long as someone does it).

But memorial day (or whatever it is)? Hello? Ask anyone in Europe when that day is and you get a "What's Memorial day? Did they move our national holiday again?"

So what's next? Will we get pressure from other special interest groups to celebrate "their" holiday on Google? A special Ramadan frontpage? And one for Martin Luther King day? Hey, I'm quite pissed there was none for our great national holiday! Rant! Whine! Tantrum! I want one!

Could we concentrate on holidays that at least a sizable portion of the planet cares about?

Re:Give me one good reason (1)

Zelos (1050172) | more than 6 years ago | (#21321073)

Veterans day makes some sense - November 11th is Armistice/Remembrance day in several countries as it was the day WW1 ended.

Re:Give me one good reason (1)

Opportunist (166417) | more than 6 years ago | (#21321143)

Well, whether Armistice day is something to celebrate is debatable.

The "peace" dictated in Versailles after WW1 was not meant to be a peace with conciliation in mind. It was aimed at destroying Germany and the German ability to wage a war. If anything, it backfired severely as we learned 2 decades later. In the maybe most horrible way possible.

I find it hard to celebrate a peace that created another war, even more devastating, more destructive and more horrible than the one this peace ended.

Re:Give me one good reason (2, Insightful)

Zelos (1050172) | more than 6 years ago | (#21321233)

It's Armistice Day, as in the day the guns stopped firing, not Versailles day.

Reality.... (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21320989)

Most world war 1 vetrans would slap the crap out of these people for whining.. They died to defend our right to freedom.

And then they would slap the crap out of the rest of us for letting our country turn into the clusterfuck it is today.

Re:Reality.... (2, Insightful)

belmolis (702863) | more than 6 years ago | (#21321127)

Hunh? WWII was about defending freedom. WWI wasn't about much of anything.

Re:Reality.... (1)

Opportunist (166417) | more than 6 years ago | (#21321155)

WW1 was about some kings and generals thinking they could quickly gain some ground. We had waaaaay different rules of war back then. War wasn't meant to destroy your opponent. Just to take some land away from him.

Finally! (-1, Troll)

Ace905 (163071) | more than 6 years ago | (#21320999)

Wow, world-wide Google finally honours a solely American holiday.

What took them so long? Common sense? psh. This is America buddy! got off your heathen muslim ass and f#{)en celebrate!

Re:Finally! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21321165)

LOL shows how much you know about history. This day is celebrated over whole of europe you ignorant american

Re:Finally! (1)

Brian Lewis (1011579) | more than 6 years ago | (#21321197)

I routinely stick it in the "whole of europe." She's starting to get really loose though, i think she's cheating on me with a black guy :

tags (0, Offtopic)

Ethanol-fueled (1125189) | more than 6 years ago | (#21321017)

I am very offended in seeing the tag "whining" attached to this article. Soldiers of all nationalities give their lives, often dying gruesome deaths, so that war profiteers and other unscrupulous chickenhawk fatcats win big.

Pull the troops out IMMEDIATELY.

Re:tags (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21321111)

... Look .... more whining.

Re:tags (1)

DrXym (126579) | more than 6 years ago | (#21321217)

I am very offended in seeing the tag "whining" attached to this article. Soldiers of all nationalities give their lives, often dying gruesome deaths, so that war profiteers and other unscrupulous chickenhawk fatcats win big.

Yes, soldiers die in horrible ways. And some sites use the issue to raise their own profile by complaining about Google. Some sites have a legitimate issue in raising concerns, and some such as WorldNetDaily are whiners. They are religion freaks who have an agenda to piss and moan about anything and everything they consider liberal, atheistic or otherwise not supportive of their extreme views.

Perhaps Google should put a logo up, perhaps they shouldn't. If they do, they should do the same for *every* country that has a national day for soldiers. Let's see the crybaby whiners flip out when they learn that Google puts up an "Army Day" logo for www.google.cn. Maybe Google should stick up a few logos to celebrate Islamic dates, such as the birth / death of the prophet, martyrdoms and so on while they're at it.

In Flanders Fields (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21321021)

In Flanders fields the poppies blow
Between the crosses, row on row,
That mark our place; and in the sky
The larks, still bravely singing, fly
Scarce heard amid the guns below.

We are the Dead. Short days ago
We lived, felt dawn, saw sunset glow,
Loved, and were loved, and now we lie
In Flanders fields.

Take up our quarrel with the foe:
To you from failing hands we throw
The torch; be yours to hold it high.
If ye break faith with us who die
We shall not sleep, though poppies grow
In Flanders fields.

which veterans' organizations are pushing this? (2, Interesting)

belmolis (702863) | more than 6 years ago | (#21321053)

The article doesn't say which veterans' organizations have been putting pressure on Google, but I bet it was the American Legion, and if it was, and I were Google, I would refuse to put up a special logo for the sole purpose of spiting them. The American Legion is a nasty, greedy, warmongering organization. None of the vets in my family or circle of friends will have anything to do with them. Remembrance Day here in Canada (I'm a dual citizen and have lived in both countries) has a very different feeling from Veterans' Day in the US.

Armistice day (5, Insightful)

stzein (738194) | more than 6 years ago | (#21321067)

This holiday is actually the anniversary of the end of WWI. It is celebrated in several countries as armistice day http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armistice_Day [wikipedia.org] . The Google logo was quite appropriate for this. If the USA want to celebrate their veterans that day, fine, but that's no reason to forget the origin of the holiday. To us in Belgium it's a holiday about peace, not about war (or those who wage it).

Re:Armistice day (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21321227)

Likewise here in the UK, it is a day of peace originally to commemorate the end of WWI. We have a minutes silence in recognition of the dead in all wars. The symbol of this is a red poppy, the flower which grew profusely in the trenches and craters of the World War I battle fields. It is defiantly not an overtly military occasion but a moment of peace and solemn reflection.

Is this not the case in most countries?

Must be a slow news day... (1)

pedantic bore (740196) | more than 6 years ago | (#21321199)

I'm beginning to suspect that there is some game to be the person that gets the stupidest story accepted by slashdot, and Google is the trump card. Yesterday we had a story saying that some IVR systems use a sound that indicates that they're still on the line and processing, and so does GOOG-411! And then a story that mentioned that sometimes people who announce that they're quitting sometimes get booted from the building and sometimes those people are quitting so they can go work for Google! And today a story about inoffensive changes one company made to the banner graphics on their web site, and that company is Google!

Well played, I guess.

Honouring the right veterans? (1)

Anonymous Bullard (62082) | more than 6 years ago | (#21321211)

Besides this new-found respect for the military veterans, Google is starting to muscle their way into the gas business too! [linuxtoday.com]


Not quite prospecting for or exploiting underground resources quite yet, but many a career has started at the pump...

But seriously, for a company with a truly global customer base (not forgetting that infamous motto either) celebrating militaries must have been a difficult decision to make, although geotargetting obviously alleviates some of the obvious issues here. I mean, most of the world doesn't probably see the US military with admiring eyes at the moment, or even in recent decades. Despite being a pacifist a heart and considering war as the final, brutal alternative when a nation or people and their lives and freedoms are under the threat of extinction, I do have respect for the veterans and volunteers who've put their lives on the line to protect their people (or even other peoples!) or their rights and values against outside aggression.

Sometimes it is easy to know, given access to realistic historical and contemporary information, who were the aggressors (and invaders and colonizers) and who merely defended their rights, freedoms and lives. Unfortunately wars and their reasons are often obfuscated in political fog and extremely selective scripting of history. Even after the WWII most wars and invasions have been wars of choice and of political and/or territorial expansionism. The five UN veto-wielding former and current colonial powers have all used their position, power and military in the WWII-era to impose their will or rule upon other smaller nations. How many of those wars has been purely to help free a people from foreign (or even unpopular domestic) occupation or dictatorship?

I'm not keen on honouring veterans anywhere who've helped invade a foreign country for their own regime's political or material gain, without either absolute necessity or clearly altruistic and humanitarian reasons. Therefore it is all but impossible for a non-jingoistic person to celebrate a veterans' day in a large and powerful country with a "militarily active foreign policy". Meanwhile smaller countries tend have their own clearly defined independence or uprising remembrances (even if in places such remembrances are strictly and brutally suppressed, such as the March 10th (1959) [march10.org] in Chinese-occupied Tibet) which are based on defensive struggles.

Perhaps instead of celebrating the power of war and its tools, we should all start remembering that there are still too many unrepresented nations and peoples [wikipedia.org] in our modern world. With some peoples under genuine genocidal occupation, who's going to support their rights and freedoms? While the West or the democratic world in general still has some financial and political edge over the rising authoritarianism [wikipedia.org] we could even try using non-military means in support of freedom and liberty. Besides, I'd even feel some guilt celebrating my own people's day of freedom while my nation actively collaborates and trades with regimes engaged in violent expansionism and/or domestic dictatorship, thereby denying such freedoms from others suffering under ongoing oppression.

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