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Microsoft To Offer Xbox 1 Games For Download, Celebrates Live Anniversary

Zonk posted more than 6 years ago | from the freebies-and-faves dept.

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Joystiq is reporting that Microsoft's Xbox Live service will be offering some great party favors soon, as the company celebrates the service's second birthday. Starting at 12:01 a.m. EST on November 15th, and lasting for 48 hours, users will be able to download the most-excellent board game Carcassonne for free. They've also announced their intent to allow us to download original Xbox titles to the 360 console. "In its press release, Microsoft explicitly named Halo, Psychonauts, Crimson Skies and Fable as titles for the Xbox Originals initiative, but did not confirm exactly which games will serve as the jumpoff: 'This new service will launch with an array of blockbuster titles spanning the most popular genres from action-adventure to classic role-playing games.' Third-party reports claim the preliminary lineup will also include ... Indigo Prophecy ... Crash Bandicoot: The Wrath Of Cortex and Burnout 3."

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Question (3, Insightful)

Kingrames (858416) | more than 6 years ago | (#21339325)

Does this include the games that don't work on the 360 from the disc?
That would be nice.

Re:Question (2, Insightful)

twistedsymphony (956982) | more than 6 years ago | (#21339677)

It potentially could but it probably wont.

By offering them for download they can tweak and recompile the games to run natively on the 360's architecture so it definitely opens the potential to offer games that don't run from the disc. However considering they went for the most popular titles first when deciding what to add for Backward Compatibility it will likely be the same set of games they offer for download.

In all likelihood the Xbox 1 games you download will run much better than those played from a disc. It will also be interesting to see if they add new features such as achievements and leaderboards.

Re:Question (2, Funny)

zuvembi (30889) | more than 6 years ago | (#21340213)

But will Barbie Horse Adventures [penny-arcade.com] be available to download?

Re:Question (1)

homer_ca (144738) | more than 6 years ago | (#21340317)

In all likelyhood, the existing Xbox1 backward compatibility uses recompiled executables while reading graphics and game data off the original DVD. Look at the huge disk usage of the backward compatibility updates. Emulation shouldn't use so much space.

Re:Question (1)

HTH NE1 (675604) | more than 6 years ago | (#21341951)

However considering they went for the most popular titles first when deciding what to add for Backward Compatibility
Like Drake of the 99 Dragons [wikipedia.org] ? (OK, so maybe Drake was compatible only by consequence of making a more popular title compatible.)

IIRC, Psychonauts was not initially XBOX 360 compatible, first appearing on the December 12, 2006 list.

Re:Question (1)

twistedsymphony (956982) | more than 6 years ago | (#21342131)

IIRC, Psychonauts was not initially XBOX 360 compatible, first appearing on the December 12, 2006 list.
That's true, it wasn't, though I think that's mainly because they went by sales figures to determine "popularity" and neglected the fact that while games like Psychonauts didn't have the enormous sales figures of some other games they had a large cult following that wanted to see BC available. It took them a while to realize it but I think MS has now understood that the popular games for BC aren't always the ones that sold well the first time around but the ones that held their fanbase years after the fact... like Psychonauts.

Re:Question (0)

hidannik (1085061) | more than 6 years ago | (#21339927)

No. If it doesn't work in emulation, it doesn't work in emulation. Whether the original game data is read from a DVD-ROM or a hard drive makes no difference.

What could make a difference is if these games were being ported to the 360. My understanding is that they're not; rather, they're simply offering the same data just stored on the hard drive rather than on a DVD-ROM. I find the possibility that they would port the games unlikely, to say the least.

Hans

Re:Question (1)

rwven (663186) | more than 6 years ago | (#21340181)

I'd REALLY like to see the oddworld games on 360, esp the most recent one. :-/

Re:Question (1)

hidannik (1085061) | more than 6 years ago | (#21340355)

Munch's Oddysee is (mostly) compatible, Stranger's Wrath isn't. Munch's Oddysee can be had for as little as $5 USD, which is less than what Microsoft is charging for the downloadables.

So there's half your wish. Granted, the one that isn't compatible is the one you most wanted, but that could change in the next compatibility update.

Hans.

Re:Question (0)

77Punker (673758) | more than 6 years ago | (#21340329)

Looks like it. I'm pretty sure Psychonauts doesn't work on 360 right now, and that's one of the titles that was announced. What I'd really like to see happen with this is to copy my existing Xbox games to my hard drive. I've got 105 free gigs for no reason at the moment!

Re:Question (2, Informative)

hidannik (1085061) | more than 6 years ago | (#21340395)

Psychonauts was added to the compatibility list in the latest update. I know, I've played it on the 360.

Hans

After the Wii (1, Troll)

BlowHole666 (1152399) | more than 6 years ago | (#21339349)

Funny did't the Wii do this when it was originally released? Maybe Microsoft has found out that customers like the old games, and the new games. Will the games cost money? Can they be backed up to an eternal hard drive like the Wii (flash card)?

Re:After the Wii (2, Insightful)

spyder913 (448266) | more than 6 years ago | (#21339541)

Yes, probably, definitely, doubtful.

Re:After the Wii (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21339549)

Funny didn't the Xbox Live Arcade do this when it was originally released?

Re:After the Wii (3, Insightful)

PixelScuba (686633) | more than 6 years ago | (#21339759)

Sort of. Nintendo and the Wii found a way to charge us $5-$10 for games we purchased 15-20 years ago. I don't think the Wii network has Gamecube games available... which would be the most accurate comparison to what Live is doing here. Incidently, for the sake of honesty, it's actually CLOSER to what Sony has been doing with the Playstation Network and PS1/PS2 games.

Re:After the Wii (1)

Gravatron (716477) | more than 6 years ago | (#21340593)

In Ninetndo's case, there is no backwards compatable way to play them, and many have been out of print for 15-20 years, making them difficult to find. On the ps3, so far all the playstation classic titles I can think of that are downloadable are ps1 titles, which at this point are abou a decade old themselves, and equally hard to find. What they need is to get more of the ps1 titles out that command those huge ebay prices, like Tobal, Klonoa, Einhander, etc. Also toss in some of the forgotten classics like threads of fate, Parasite eve, Fear Effect, R4, etc.

Main question I have on my mind for the xbox titles is since those were DVD games, won't size be an issue? Most xbox's only have 20 gigs of space, so thats what, 3-4 dvd games?

Re:After the Wii (1)

MobileTatsu-NJG (946591) | more than 6 years ago | (#21341215)

"Nintendo and the Wii found a way to charge us $5-$10 for games we purchased 15-20 years ago."

That's odd. I've purchased games on the VC and never once have I been asked to show proof I've paid for it before. I think their proof-of-purchase system is busted!

Re:After the Wii (1)

Bert64 (520050) | more than 6 years ago | (#21341719)

But the Wii can also run gamecube games natively, without emulation...
All of the gamecube games should run on it, i don't know of any that don't.

Game Boy Player (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 6 years ago | (#21342129)

All of the gamecube games should run on it, i don't know of any that don't.
Game Boy Player doesn't, because there's no place to plug in the GBA cart reader.

Re:Game Boy Player (1)

trdrstv (986999) | more than 6 years ago | (#21342289)

All of the gamecube games should run on it, i don't know of any that don't.

Game Boy Player doesn't, because there's no place to plug in the GBA cart reader.

Would you consider the Gameboy player a game? I always considered it a peripheral. If you REALLY enjoy changing the background patterns or scaling options I suppose you could make it a game...

Re:Game Boy Player (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 6 years ago | (#21342391)

Would you consider the Gameboy player a game? I always considered it a peripheral.
That's beside my point, which is: Where is the equivalent peripheral for Wii?

Re: Game Boy Player (1)

trdrstv (986999) | more than 6 years ago | (#21342683)

Would you consider the Gameboy player a game? I always considered it a peripheral. That's beside my point, which is: Where is the equivalent peripheral for Wii?

Actually, that's not besides the point, it is the entire point. The Parent post stated:

"But the Wii can also run gamecube games natively, without emulation... All of the gamecube games should run on it, i don't know of any that don't."

Which is to say that all games should run on the Wii. Which is correct. I can't think of a single Gamecube game that will not run on the Wii (with a Gamecube controller and Memory card of course), but there are some peripherals that will not work, so they may not be as fully featured. There were only 3 peripherals that plugged into the bottom of the Gamecube (to my knowledge) and thus not compatible with the Wii; The Broadband adapter, Modem Adapter and The Gameboy player. The former 2 were replaced by the internal Wifi (or Lan adapter) for the Wii, and unfortunately they are not compatible with the handful of Gamecube games that depended on them.

You still CAN plan Phantasy Star "online" (just the offline content) and ultimately whether it could use the Wifi adapter to connect to the internet (it can't) is immaterial as the servers are down.

Currently there is no equivalent peripheral for Wii (which is a shame really), but we were discussing game compatibility not peripherals.

The games that need Game Boy Player (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 6 years ago | (#21342855)

Currently there is no equivalent peripheral for Wii (which is a shame really), but we were discussing game compatibility not peripherals.
If you want to discuss it in terms of game compatibility, are any of the following games ported to Wii? Super Mario Land. Balloon Kid. Yoshi's Cookie. Super Mario Land 2: 6 Golden Coins. Kirby's Star Stacker. The Legend of Zelda: Link's Awakening (original or DX).

Re:The games that need Game Boy Player (1)

trdrstv (986999) | more than 6 years ago | (#21344397)

If you want to discuss it in terms of game compatibility, are any of the following games ported to Wii? Super Mario Land. Balloon Kid. Yoshi's Cookie. Super Mario Land 2: 6 Golden Coins. Kirby's Star Stacker. The Legend of Zelda: Link's Awakening (original or DX).

Nope. And none of them were ported to Gamecube either.

Re:The games that need Game Boy Player (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 6 years ago | (#21345687)

If you want to discuss it in terms of game compatibility, are any of the following games ported to Wii? Super Mario Land. Balloon Kid. Yoshi's Cookie. Super Mario Land 2: 6 Golden Coins. Kirby's Star Stacker. The Legend of Zelda: Link's Awakening (original or DX).
Nope. And none of them were ported to Gamecube either.
But at least the GameCube can run them using the peripheral. Wii cannot. Nor can the DS without unlicensed expansion hardware.

Re:After the Wii (1)

Itninja (937614) | more than 6 years ago | (#21339853)

Not really sure what an 'eternal hard drive' is, but the 360's hard drive is also eXternal and portable - though not as tiny and portable as the Wii flash card system. If I recall the Wii downloads aren't backup to the flash card, but moved there. But I am not certain of that....

Re:After the Wii (0, Troll)

brkello (642429) | more than 6 years ago | (#21340751)

Wow. I know there is a bit of Wii spin on this site...but now the Wii has eternal hard drives? That's pretty impressive.

Re:After the Wii (1)

Cheesey (70139) | more than 6 years ago | (#21341141)

Can you backup Wii games to a memory card or hard drive? The T&C for the shop on my Wii says that games have to be saved in the built-in Flash memory, and are tied to that Wii. (Although I can redownload a game if I delete it.)

Re:After the Wii (1)

LBt1st (709520) | more than 6 years ago | (#21345321)

They can only be played from the internal memory. But yes, you can store games on SD Cards.

Has potential (0)

superbus1929 (1069292) | more than 6 years ago | (#21339357)

As awesome as this sounds, I still don't see anything that makes me want to run out and download anything. There's not one great title listed there, save maybe Burnout.

And how much are we talking for these games? Why download a game for $20 (sorry, 1600 MS Points) when I can run to Gamestop and pick it up for $8, maybe less?

Re:Has potential (1)

Harlockjds (463986) | more than 6 years ago | (#21339437)

i read the price was going to be around 15$... personally i'd pay that rather than buy the old xbox disk so i have less clutter.

Most people liked Indigo Prophecy when it came out... and i know my wife will want the Crash game.

Re:Has potential (1)

dontthink (1106407) | more than 6 years ago | (#21339733)

I personally enjoyed Crimson Skies as well - I thought the controls were very solid, good environments, and (most importantly) was a lot of fun to play. I preferred it to both Psychonauts and Indigo Prophecy actually (though they are both great games also).

Re:Has potential (1)

hibiki_r (649814) | more than 6 years ago | (#21340083)

I'd rather buy the originals myself, if just for the wonders of Microsoft DRM. Did you know that, when your console RRODs, you will only be able to play your downloaded games when logged in to live? Nope, your wife/brother/roommate's account wont be able to play the game.

The original game works as long as the media works, wherever you want. Seems like a better deal to me.

Re:Has potential (1)

hidannik (1085061) | more than 6 years ago | (#21340965)

Deleting and re-downloading the game should fix that. Re-downloading is free. After my console RRODed, I did that, and it worked.

Also, it may be that that restriction has been fixed with the latest firmware update. Just a couple of weeks ago I transferred my 20G to a 120G. The transfer kit instructions say that transferred XLA games can only be played while online (just like the RROD issue). I disconnected my network cable after the transfer and had no trouble playing any of the transferred games - without having to re-download them.

Hans

Re:Has potential (1)

Blakey Rat (99501) | more than 6 years ago | (#21342365)

Did you know that, when your console RRODs, you will only be able to play your downloaded games when logged in to live? Nope, your wife/brother/roommate's account wont be able to play the game.

Their *account* won't, but you can have (almost 100% sure) multiple Live accounts on the same console. You can simply move your account to their console, re-download the games you've purchased, and play to your heart's content.

Re:Has potential (1)

Bert64 (520050) | more than 6 years ago | (#21341451)

When i wanted less clutter with my xbox games, i simply got the xbox chipped, installed a larger hd and put all the games i played on it. No clutter.
So your willing to wait several years after the games were released, and then pay more for the uncluttered version (which only offers you the same luxury pirated copies did a few years ago) than the original cluttered one costs? No wonder piracy rates are so high, the pirate versions really are better.

Re:Has potential (2, Insightful)

EveryNickIsTaken (1054794) | more than 6 years ago | (#21339439)

Judging by your statements, you have clearly never played Psychonauts. Awesome Fkn Game. Here's hoping they eventually throw Chronicles of Riddick on there, as well.

Re:Has potential (1)

ciw42 (820892) | more than 6 years ago | (#21339663)

Agreed. I had the PC version, which I ordered directly from the US on release as I live in the UK and we had to wait six months or more for it. It's one of the few games that I found the time and enjoyed playing all the way through.

Re:Has potential (1)

superbus1929 (1069292) | more than 6 years ago | (#21341293)

Actually, I think Psychonauts is great, and I misspoke when I said only one "great" game. However, I can also play Psychonauts whenever I want on Gametap.

There are a few exclusive titles that should go on XBLA. Halo 1 and 2, definitely (even if they're more pricey). Ninja Gaiden/NG Black would be incredible. Panzer Dragoon Orta would likely send me into orgasm.

Re:Has potential (1)

heatdeath (217147) | more than 6 years ago | (#21339443)

Because you're lazy.

Never underestimate people's laziness. :)

Re:Has potential (1)

Blakey Rat (99501) | more than 6 years ago | (#21339713)

Fable was kind of a disappointment, but Psychonauts and Crimson Skies are both excellent games. I won't bother mentioning Halo, since I know, this being Slashdot, that everyone hates Halo. ;)

Re:Has potential (1)

Pojut (1027544) | more than 6 years ago | (#21340003)

You obviously never played Psychonauts. A pox on your house for overlooking one of the best made (but least recognized) games of all time.

Re:Has potential (1)

superbus1929 (1069292) | more than 6 years ago | (#21340701)

Wrong. I love Psychonauts. But I also have a Gametap account and can play it whenever I want as it is. :)

Re:Has potential (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21340973)

There's not one great title listed there, save maybe Burnout.
-- superbus1929

Carcassonne (0, Troll)

ShakaUVM (157947) | more than 6 years ago | (#21339419)

Uh, Carcassonne is not a great board game. If you had a "hand" of available tiles to play, it would be a lot more fun, but when you have to draw and play a tile in the same round, and there's often only one possible play... then it's not really that great a game.

Re:Carcassonne (4, Insightful)

mythosaz (572040) | more than 6 years ago | (#21339497)

I'm forced to disagree. Carcassonne makes a GREAT 360 game. While you may like or dislike it for whatever reasons you may have, online play optimized by a computer scorekeeper and rule-manager is fantastic. No "mistakes" playing on a 360. You can't make an accident setting a follower on the wrong land, etc. It's good for a number of the reasons that UNO makes a good 360 game -- without the vastly higher luck factor in UNO.

I'm only upset that they're not giving something ELSE to those of us who bought Carcassonne already...

Re:Carcassonne (1)

trdrstv (986999) | more than 6 years ago | (#21342827)

I'm forced to disagree. Carcassonne makes a GREAT 360 game. While you may like or dislike it for whatever reasons you may have, online play optimized by a computer scorekeeper and rule-manager is fantastic. No "mistakes" playing on a 360. You can't make an accident setting a follower on the wrong land, etc. It's good for a number of the reasons that UNO makes a good 360 game -- without the vastly higher luck factor in UNO.

I'm only upset that they're not giving something ELSE to those of us who bought Carcassonne already...

I agree that the compter management streamlines everything wonderfully to make this my "preferred version" (I would like to add the Arc of the Covenant as a game option though) and I agree it would be nice to get a new expansion for it (preferably early before it's released for sale to guarantee you didn't already own it), They are at least giving us a larger online community to play against.

Re:Carcassonne (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21339679)

lrn 2 strategize? kthxbai

Re:Carcassonne (1)

wcbarksdale (621327) | more than 6 years ago | (#21339997)

Part of the skill of the game is planning for future tiles, e.g. setting up positions where your opponent has only bad plays if they draw certain tiles. The game would take around three or four times as long to play if you had several tiles to choose from each turn.

Re:Carcassonne (1)

MistrBlank (1183469) | more than 6 years ago | (#21340619)

Then you must be terrible at the game. There are so many features that have made it perfect since I started playing the actual version of the game (not the XBox360 version)

- It's one of few board games I've ever played that scaled well with number of people. The more people the more strategy there is to tile placement while a two-player game is still interesting.
- It is fast to start. There is no massive setup time. Drop the tiles into a pile, make sure they're all face down, shuffled up and start playing. It starts to get boring to go play a game that takes 30 minutes just to set up the board.
- It's a fast game. Over anywhere from 30 minutes to an hour.
- It's replayable, games will consistently be different.
- It's fast paced, player turns are done and over pretty quickly (unless you have someone that takes forever to realize the obvious play.
- There is ample room for "screwage", that is, when playing with some of your regular friends, games eventually deteriorate into being able to screw over the most people when in position not to win or if you just want to make someone else's game a living hell (such as that person winning too often).

I think the real problem is these games don't translate well to people playing video games. The whole point of a board game is the socialization factor which you eliminate almost completely playing online.

Re:Carcassonne (1)

grahamd0 (1129971) | more than 6 years ago | (#21341391)

You're not that guy who told to me, "I won't farm if you don't farm.", are you? =)

The Worst Console Library Ever? Ok... (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21339461)

The Xbox game library Microsoft created over the miserable four years before they took the system out back behind the Redmond campus and put a mercy bullet between the 5 billion dollar console market failure's eyes...

The Xbox game library that even Microsoft themselves considered not even worth trying to implement backwards compatibility for until their marketing types decided they needed another bullet point for the underpowered and underfeatured Xbox 360...

The Xbox game library that has better and patched up PC versions of almost every major game worth playing...

Is coming to the 360 as downloads?

LOL!

A worthless joke of an event like Xbox game downloads is fitting for an online service that has the dubious claim to fame of charging gamers 50 dollars a year for laggy P2P network gaming. It's like Microsoft is proud of the fact that they have gotten a couple million diehard Xbox fans to pay them money every year to take away the standard free dedicated servers pc gamers have enjoyed for years.

LOL! Microsoft, no wonder they are shedding their first party developers and will most likely be getting out of the console biz...

Re:The Worst Console Library Ever? Ok... (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21339631)

How is live in M$ISTEHDEVIL fanasy land these days?

Re:The Worst Console Library Ever? Ok... (1)

nuzak (959558) | more than 6 years ago | (#21339667)

Speech recognition and text-to-speech software must be working really well these days. I applaud the way it gives the pre-literate access to online fora.

Re:The Worst Console Library Ever? Ok... (1)

UbuntuDupe (970646) | more than 6 years ago | (#21340435)

I applaud the way it gives the pre-literate access to online fora.

And the blind...

Re:The Worst Console Library Ever? Ok... (1)

Pojut (1027544) | more than 6 years ago | (#21340161)

So tell me, how exactly does someone get paid to write inane prose that sounds like it came from a mute mole-rat with a drop of liquid 'cid in each eye?

free carcassonne (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21339485)

they should give me my xbox dollars back :_(

Correction: (4, Informative)

CaseM (746707) | more than 6 years ago | (#21339491)

The summary is incorrect. This is XBox Live's 5th anniversary: Link [wikipedia.org]

Re:Correction: (1)

Aladrin (926209) | more than 6 years ago | (#21339639)

I think they meant XBL 360's second. All of the celebration centers around the 360, and not the original XBox, except that you can now buy some games that were originally for it.

Personally, while I think this is a great idea, I also think I can probably find the original discs at a local store cheaper. I'm tempted to go looking, just for the fun of it.

Re:Correction: (1)

CaseM (746707) | more than 6 years ago | (#21339787)

It does seem like a great idea (the original XBox games). I honestly hope they're able to release their entire back catalog at some point.

I think... (1)

FataL187 (1100851) | more than 6 years ago | (#21339615)

Microsoft should just offer them through the Wii Shop Channel. That way they can't be accused of stealing the idea. I just hope the red ring of death isn't contagious!! I wouldn't want my wii to get sick.

-FataL

Re:I think... (1)

Liquidrage (640463) | more than 6 years ago | (#21342039)

You do realize MS has been selling older games on XBL for a long time right? I mean, you did know that before you wrote your stupid comment right? I'm sure it's not as if you're going to get into some arguement as to how selling a game for a console system one generation older is somehow novel yet selling them for a system 3 or 4 gens older is not.

Nintendo didn't invent selling older games via a download. Thanks.

Because there's no Xboy (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 6 years ago | (#21342273)

Microsoft should just offer them through the Wii Shop Channel.
You do realize MS has been selling older games on XBL for a long time right?
Right, but Microsoft doesn't make a handheld. (Pocket PC arguably does not count.) Microsoft does release games on Nintendo handhelds, such as such as Best of Entertainment Pack (GBC), Banjo-Pilot (GBA), and Diddy Kong Racing (DS). I'd imagine that Wii Shop Channel downloads (as opposed to Xbox Live downloads) might be WiiWare apps that act as a download server, allowing a DS to download and play the game.

From the people who want you to pay to play online (1, Insightful)

Ang31us (1132361) | more than 6 years ago | (#21339721)

I have bought almost every FPS that EPIC has put out since Unreal. Specifically, Unreal, Unreal 2, Unreal Tournament, and UT2004 (I did not like UT2003; lack of vehicles made the gameplay dated). All of those games had free Multiplayer, as it should be on the PC.

I picked up Gears of War for the PC last week only to find that it required me to PAY for a LIVE account to play it online after the first month and to download patches automagically. Is it just me, or does this stink like a dirty practice given past history on the PC and the upcoming Unreal 3 on the PC?

Re:From the people who want you to pay to play onl (1)

morari (1080535) | more than 6 years ago | (#21339899)

Is it a dirty practice? Of course. You have all of these console kiddies to thank for it as well. Don't worry, soon you'll have to pay for simple patches too! Plenty of developers (even on the PC) are already starting to deliberately leave content out of games so as to immediately sell it separately after release. Yay capitalism!

Re:From the people who want you to pay to play onl (1)

Applekid (993327) | more than 6 years ago | (#21341365)

Yay capitalism!
Of course, "Yay capitalism" also includes your right to, oh, I don't know, NOT buy those games?

Don't like it? Don't buy it. They'll either change their ways or go out of business while other companies continue to provide free support and online play.

Re:From the people who want you to pay to play onl (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 6 years ago | (#21342309)

Of course, "Yay capitalism" also includes your right to, oh, I don't know, NOT buy those games [that rely on real-world micropayments]?

Don't like it? Don't buy it. They'll either change their ways or go out of business

Or get outvoted when almost every publisher of proprietary video games uses these micropayments. What will you use then? Old Free games on a set-top Linux box?

Re:From the people who want you to pay to play onl (1)

Applekid (993327) | more than 6 years ago | (#21342487)

I still don't see what's forcing someone to go along with micropayments, really. If I like FPS games and this one doesn't allow online play without a fee, I'm not only not going to pay the fee, but likely not get the game, either. If every game Christmas '08 comes out requiring an online pay-to-play, then I won't be treating myself to any of them next year.

Like, people complain now that movies cost too much to go out and see. I haven't been to a movie in about a decade and don't see myself going to one anytime in the forseeable future. Obviously I've been outvoted on my complaints of cost and quality, but I make due.

If you really really hate buying extras for a game... don't?

I don't like it either, so, the day EVERY publisher gimps their games in the interest of collecting micropayments will be the day I hang my controllers for good.

Re:From the people who want you to pay to play onl (2, Insightful)

morari (1080535) | more than 6 years ago | (#21343585)

I agree. Even more-so on films.

The problem is that one does not always know that here will be "micro transactions" to be made in the future. Say they begin charging a fee for bug fixes after release. You just bought a broken game and have no real recourse. I sure as heck wouldn't pay for a patch in any circumstance, but that would still leave me with a broken game and my money in the developers' pockets. I mean, geeze, I can't even find it in myself to justify paying a subscription fee for an MMO, and I certainly feel sorry for people that pay $20 for a new "Stuff Pack" every three months (between $30 expansion packs) to make their experience with The Sims 2 full.

And not to be disrespectful, but it annoys me to no ends when people shout about "speaking with their wallets". It allows one to maintain personal dignity, but doesn't change anything. We don't live in anything resembling a truly free market and if we did, the general public tends to be a mass of poorly informed consumers that make all of their decisions based off of obviously biased commercials. :P

Re:From the people who want you to pay to play onl (1)

Farakin (1101889) | more than 6 years ago | (#21340413)

Really, what does it cost...$5 a month? I bet you spend that much on tissues at the end of every Cold Case episode.

Re:From the people who want you to pay to play onl (2, Insightful)

Ang31us (1132361) | more than 6 years ago | (#21340595)

I want them to get those $5/month through in-game ads, not out of my pocket.

Why should I give Microsoft $60/year after I paid Epic $50 for the game? I don't see why I should pay them to match me up with other gamers when we had services like Kali and Kahn back in the days of analog modems to do this for us.

I don't have a problem with a flat fee being charged for something like this, especially if it is built-in to the price of the game ($60 would have been a fine purchase price as well).

The recurring charge is what I have an issue with and this is also the reason why I have not played any of the MMORPGs like Everquest or World of Warcraft.

Re:From the people who want you to pay to play onl (1)

Vorpix (60341) | more than 6 years ago | (#21341127)

i guess what you are paying for is a unified friends list, achievements, cross game messaging, matchmaking, and honestly, pretty good uptime, from my experiences. i agree, free would be nicer, but i've been pretty happy with Xbox Live and I'm pretty sure I'll renew once my current subscription is up.

Re:From the people who want you to pay to play onl (1)

Bert64 (520050) | more than 6 years ago | (#21341647)

None of which I really want...
I already have far too many friends lists, I already have far too many messaging systems, and we've had matchmaking systems like xlink, gamespy etc for a long time... Why should i pay for a copy of something I already had?
Not only that, but why should I use a service that's far (in terms of latency) from me, when the people i want to play against are right next to me (same isp, not same location).
I want the ability to arbitrarily setup private servers in locations of my choice where we can play online games. I used to run my own quake servers, and I often fire up a casual server to play games with friends.

Re:From the people who want you to pay to play onl (1)

Mr2001 (90979) | more than 6 years ago | (#21343085)

i guess what you are paying for is a unified friends list, achievements, cross game messaging, matchmaking, and honestly, pretty good uptime, from my experiences.
Steam has a unified friends list, achievements, and cross game messaging for free. (Whether it has pretty good uptime is debatable.)

Matchmaking is nice, and if it were widely implemented it might be worth paying for, but as far as I can tell, it's only supported in two Xbox Live games: Halo 2 and Halo 3. Gears of War doesn't have it, Team Fortress 2 doesn't have it - they have the same old crappy "host a game" / "join a game" setup you can find on the PS2, where you're at the mercy of whoever wanted to play first for level choices and (more importantly) connection quality.

Re:From the people who want you to pay to play onl (1)

hidannik (1085061) | more than 6 years ago | (#21340491)

Well, there is XFire as an alternative. Also Hamachi, if you want to play on a virtual LAN with your buds.

That won't get you automatic updates and patches, but as long as they can be downloaded from Epic's website etc., that makes it no worse than 98% of the other games out there.

Hans

Re:From the people who want you to pay to play onl (1)

Ang31us (1132361) | more than 6 years ago | (#21340969)

Thank you sooo much! I checked the XFire website and it says that it supports Gears of War. I'm gonna try it tonight!!! :-)

Re:From the people who want you to pay to play onl (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21340579)

I picked up Gears of War for the PC last week only to find that it required me to PAY for a LIVE account to play it online after the first month and to download patches automagically.

You don't need to necessarily pay for a Live account just to play games online with friends. You can always use Kai XLink [teamxlink.co.uk] which supports the games for at least Xbox, Xbox 360, PS2, Gamecube, and PSP. The convenience factor of the Live service far outweights the price though, but if you don't like the idea of spending $50/year on a Live subscription, then there are always alternatives.

Re:From the people who want you to pay to play onl (1)

Bert64 (520050) | more than 6 years ago | (#21341601)

Never played gears of war so i can't comment specifically on that game...
I can understand MMORPG's charging a subscription for online play, but in that case they shouldnt charge for the game media (how it would suck to buy something then be told you need to pay more to actually play it)...
Any game where it's the game that provides the entertainment, and not the online world it connects to really shouldn't charge for online play, and should make it possible for people to run their own servers. Lan-play is still very much commonplace here too.

I don't think this is correct (4, Insightful)

Itchyeyes (908311) | more than 6 years ago | (#21342267)

"I picked up Gears of War for the PC last week only to find that it required me to PAY for a LIVE account to play it online"

This isn't correct. You can play online on the PC with GFW Live Silver (which is free). What you don't get with the free version are Microsoft's True Skill matchmaking services, cross platform play, and multiplayer achievements (details here [wikipedia.org] ). Still frustrating, but not the same thing.

True true (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21347151)

But you still have to register a Live account, something that found to be a real PITA. Ever since UT games have gotten worse and worse in that sense.

I outright gave up getting Halo 2 working with Live (I got Vista an everything). 'Can not connect' was the message. Sigh. But it was able to connect enough to download updates. shrugs.

Re:From the people who want you to pay to play onl (2, Informative)

Blakey Rat (99501) | more than 6 years ago | (#21342313)

You can play Gears online for free with a Xbox Live Silver account. It doesn't have all the features that a Gold account works, but your post is still wrong.

In any case, this is just nerd rage. If you don't want to pay for Xbox Live Gold, then don't pay for it. It's not some huge crime against humanity, or some huge debasement of your human rights, it's simply a game matching service with a yearly fee.

Of course, your nerd rage isn't even aimed in the right direction. If you have a real problem with it, take it up with Epic... Xbox Live doesn't have anything against a game using their own non-Live matching service. (Final Fantasy 11 does it, for example.)

The bigger news in this (5, Interesting)

nuzak (959558) | more than 6 years ago | (#21339773)

This means they're pushing digital distribution of actual games. These aren't Microsoft titles, so they've actually gotten agreements with the publishers. Meaning there's really no necessary distinction between these titles and new ones. Finally, a chance to put a stake in the heart of GameStop and their skeezy incompetent chain of pawnshops. No, I would NOT like to preorder, bitch!

And is this why XBL fell over last night? I had to unplug the goddam network just to be able to sign in to my own profile.

Re:The bigger news in this (2, Insightful)

tcolberg (998885) | more than 6 years ago | (#21340121)

This is awesome, except I only have a 20GB HDD. MSFT needs to make it possible for consumers to get more than 1 or 2 of these games at a time. Sure they might do a permanent purchase system and allow swapping of purchased goods, like the Wii does. On the other hand, why don't they just come out with cheaper external storage that isn't crippled? I know the cost of 2.5'' drives are partially what's keeping the 120GB 360 HDD's cost so high, so why don't they come out with their own branded external 3.5'' USB2.0 drive?

Re:The bigger news in this (2, Interesting)

nuzak (959558) | more than 6 years ago | (#21341251)

I got the Elite, mostly because I wanted HDMI outputs, and it has a reasonably big drive, so I don't have the problem, but I definitely hear ya. The hardware hack to take the drive out is pretty trivial, but apparently the 360 will refuse to format it at a higher capacity no matter what you put in. Sony on the other hand, lets you throw any SATA drive in, and it'll use it all. Funny thing that, I like the PS3 more than the 360 in every respect ... except as a freakin game console.

Re:The bigger news in this (1)

rapett0 (92674) | more than 6 years ago | (#21341813)

I was wondering what happened. I was playing Texas Hold'Em last night and I was all in for 50K on one hand (a straight). Anyway, I noticed two others went all in, but while they were both clearly all in, there was maybe a 15 second pause. Then I saw one go from all in to fold. I was like ??!?!?!?

Then the other guy had something better (forget what) and won. But I was like wait, how he go from all in, to folding?

Re:The bigger news in this (2, Interesting)

jollyreaper (513215) | more than 6 years ago | (#21344471)

This means they're pushing digital distribution of actual games. These aren't Microsoft titles, so they've actually gotten agreements with the publishers. Meaning there's really no necessary distinction between these titles and new ones. Finally, a chance to put a stake in the heart of GameStop and their skeezy incompetent chain of pawnshops. No, I would NOT like to preorder, bitch!
Two drawbacks: 1) you'll never be able to borrow your friend's game 2) you won't be able to resell it. Given that not everybody has fast internet service, we probably won't have to suffer the worst of this. We'll probably still see physical media alongside electronic distribution, the same way you can get a game off of Steam or in the physical store. While borrowing a friend's copy of a game is not theft in the normal people sense of the word, you can bet that the publishers would see it that way.

Personally, I still like the opportunity of finding good old games for a bargain price. I doubt that they'll drop a four year old game down to $10 or $15 on XBox Live the same way they would in the stores.

Meh (1, Informative)

zegota (1105649) | more than 6 years ago | (#21340039)

Pretty much all of these games are available ~10-15 on eBay or at Gamestop, and there you get the case and the instruction booklet (and something tangible that can't be taken away). Is there any xbox game that's spectacularly rare or pricy?

Re:Meh (1)

Farakin (1101889) | more than 6 years ago | (#21340517)

Rare? Try finding the Baldur's Gate: Dark Alliance 2. The Stop wants $30 used for it.

Re:Meh (1)

nuzak (959558) | more than 6 years ago | (#21344451)

> Rare? Try finding the Baldur's Gate: Dark Alliance 2. The Stop wants $30 used for it.

I think I may still have my PS2 copy of it. I'll GIVE it to you if you want. I don't want it taking up space on my shelf. Better than DA1, but still an outstandingly awful game.

Re:Meh (1)

halcyon1234 (834388) | more than 6 years ago | (#21341119)

I haven't yet found a copy of Fatal Frame II for less than $40 (used) for the XBox.

Re:Meh (1)

Itchyeyes (908311) | more than 6 years ago | (#21342315)

You'll have a hard time finding rare games like Psychonauts, Beyond Good & Evil, Panzer Dragoon Orta, and Oddworld: Stranger's Wrath for less than $15.

Indigo Prophecy (1)

log0n (18224) | more than 6 years ago | (#21340399)

Pretty cool! I'd heard very good things about this game (I'm an adventure gamer rather than a FPS or MMO type) so I went looking for it. Couldn't find it for Xbox/360 in any of the local shops so ebay'd an import version (it's called Fahrenheit in the UK). I've been playing this on PC and it's a damn good game in spite of not really enjoying playing on a PC. I'll definitely get the download version if it's priced appropriately.

Re:Indigo Prophecy (1)

grahamd0 (1129971) | more than 6 years ago | (#21341473)

There's a version here in the US called "Fahrenheit" as well, I believe it's the unrated version.

Re:Indigo Prophecy (1)

Cooldrew (1184399) | more than 6 years ago | (#21346281)

Great game, but VERY different. I found it here in NY for PS2 for under $10 US. If anyone here likes different, almost arty games, check it out. Phenomenal story, great voice acting, and some sweet action sequences.

Dear Microsoft, (1)

loafula (1080631) | more than 6 years ago | (#21341073)

I have three words for you: NINJA GAIDEN BLACK. Please, oh please, heed them.

Re:Dear Microsoft, (1)

hidannik (1085061) | more than 6 years ago | (#21341261)

I have two for you: already compatible. Also, $25 USD from GameStop. The bonus NES games won't play, but they wouldn't in the XLA version either.

Hans

Microsoft wins twice (2, Insightful)

SparkleMotion88 (1013083) | more than 6 years ago | (#21341375)

1) Microsoft squeezes more money out of older games that people would otherwise buy used.
(and most importantly)
2) Microsoft sells more $180 hard drives to people who need space for all their new downloaded games.

I wish there were a way to do this with new games (3, Funny)

TheGeneration (228855) | more than 6 years ago | (#21342901)

I wish there were a way to do this with new games. Right now I'm dealing with the stupidity of EBgames.com trying to get a game I preordered that was released yesterday...

I did pre-order on Super Mario Galaxy at EBGames.com at some point after I did the pre-order they attached a second item to my order, a cheap ass plastic "collectors coin" for the game that probably cost 1/100th of a cent to produce in China. Well, guess what, that coin is back ordered and as a result my game hasn't shipped. It's unbelievable.

I called their customer service and spent OVER two hours on hold waiting for somebody to pick up before I finally just hung up the phone. I can't believe they get away with this crap. Seriously.

I'm heading to Best Buy after work and I'm going to pick up a copy. It'd be nice if I could just download it directly from Nintendo.

hachie-machie! (1)

jollyreaper (513215) | more than 6 years ago | (#21344453)

Jaws voice: We're gonna need a bigger drive!

That's cool and all but I think it's criminal that the default drive is 20gb and the 120 goes for $179. Last I priced drives, I could get 500gb for $99. I'm sure it's become even more ridiculous since then. Let's not even talk about the movie download service. Very, very cool, but with the size of the drives, impractical. Microsoft should just bite the bullet on that one and subsidize bigger drives. Hell, they should get TB-size drives and offer a trade-in program for people stuck with the smaller ones. They'll make their money back on this, especially since people are lazy and Xbox Live is easier to use than bittorrent. Yeah, yeah, I know those of us here don't find it difficult but I'm talking about the public at large, the people who are making iTunes such a success. The ridiculously small drives are strangling their potential here.

Buyer Beware (1)

dank zappingly (975064) | more than 6 years ago | (#21346745)

Software emulation? YUCK. It's a little much to pay for imperfect versions of the games. Buy Psychonauts anyway if you haven't played it. Tim Schafer has yet to make a bad game. Here are the glitches as reported by Kotaku:

Crimson Skies: High Road to Revenge: There is some minor flickering at the top of the screen that happens very rarely. The "Press A to Continue" message is missing when the host player leaves a multiplayer game. Additional content within the game (such as demos & trailers) are not supported and selecting those options may result in crashing the game (requiring a restart of the console)

Fable: There are some random bursts of audio static and some minor texture issues and a short hang up when removing tattoos. Additional content within the game (such as demos & trailers) are not supported and selecting those options may result in crashing the game (requiring a restart of the console)

Fuzion Frenzy: There are some minor frame rate issues. Additional content within the game (such as demos & trailers) are not supported and selecting those options may result in crashing the game (requiring a restart of the console)

Halo: There are some very mild frame rate drops.

Psychonauts: HDMI 720p is not supported for PAL users. Running the game in 720p over HDMI will result in the game locking up for PAL users. If you are using HDMI output, set the resolution to 1080i or 1080p (anything but 720p)

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