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Microsoft Windows 7 "Wishlist" Leaked

ScuttleMonkey posted more than 6 years ago | from the leaky-news-always-suspect dept.

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Cassius Corodes is one of many readers to point out that a recent "wishlist" of new Windows development features is floating around the net. This list was supposedly leaked from Microsoft and contains some of their key development features for the next version of Windows. Given that the next new Windows release is bound to be a long way off I would recommend seasoning this news with a hefty dose of sodium chloride.

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Keep those wishes coming (5, Insightful)

ackthpt (218170) | more than 6 years ago | (#21343215)

Back up XBOX 360 games to Windows PC - Ain't gonna happen

New PIP functionality for Media Center - PIP *.WMA/L

Infinite desktop, virtual desktop idea - Maybe they could port fvwm

Option to "Reopen Closed tabs" in IE - This will be addressed via "Are you sure you want to close this tab?"

Auto clean of Temp folders - How about including a way to define which are temp folders.

How about fixing the paging to use it's own partition, ffs!

Re:Keep those wishes coming (3, Funny)

davester666 (731373) | more than 6 years ago | (#21343291)

...and the first person to add "make it work better than Mac OS X 10.5" is FIRED!

Re:Keep those wishes coming (2, Funny)

ackthpt (218170) | more than 6 years ago | (#21343347)

...and the first person to add "make it work better than Mac OS X 10.5" is FIRED!

And another chair hits the wall! I should have stock in Herman Miller.

Teamouse? (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 6 years ago | (#21343433)

I should have stock in Herman Miller.
You don't mean Teamouse the conlanger [io.com] , do you?

Re:Keep those wishes coming (4, Insightful)

jmauro (32523) | more than 6 years ago | (#21343363)

Back up XBOX 360 games to Windows PC

I believe this is refering to the save files stored on the HD and not the actual games.

I Wish (1, Informative)

Jeremiah Cornelius (137) | more than 6 years ago | (#21343393)

It were Ubuntu.

Barring that, I wish it were XP, again.

Re:I Wish (2, Insightful)

Cassius Corodes (1084513) | more than 6 years ago | (#21343525)

Maybe there is something in that - perhaps what they should be doing is slowly evolving a system - rather then trying to revolutionise it with every release. Although I guess it would be harder to justify having to spend money on purchasing an improved rather than new version...

Am I the only person who makes a 2nd partition? (3, Interesting)

khasim (1285) | more than 6 years ago | (#21343391)

When installing Windows, I make a partition specifically for the swap file and temp files. That way they don't add to the fragmentation mess of the OS partition.

Speaking of which, why does Windows still use a variable sized swap file? I lock it down to 2x RAM or 4GB. Whichever is larger. I do not want fragmentation in the swap file. I'd prefer not to need one, but that's another story.

And how about moving IE's temp files somewhere else? Okay, you can still set permissions on the folder, but get it out of the user's profile.

And I'm tired of seeing C:\WINDOWS\Temp
Temp directories do not belong in the OS directory.

Yeah, I'm whining. But I spend 15 extra minutes just getting the directories and swap arranged correctly every time I set up someone's Windows machine.

Re:Am I the only person who makes a 2nd partition? (1)

ackthpt (218170) | more than 6 years ago | (#21343457)

When installing Windows, I make a partition specifically for the swap file and temp files. That way they don't add to the fragmentation mess of the OS partition.

Is this a unique feature to Vista? I don't recall having that option on XP

Speaking of which, why does Windows still use a variable sized swap file? I lock it down to 2x RAM or 4GB. Whichever is larger. I do not want fragmentation in the swap file. I'd prefer not to need one, but that's another story.

This is indeed a mystery. Even back in the 1970's you could designate a device to use for the swap file and it was pre-extended. You even had the option to place it on the middle cylinders of a disk so it was, on average, faster to access.

Re:Am I the only person who makes a 2nd partition? (1)

cstdenis (1118589) | more than 6 years ago | (#21343543)

You've always been able to do this. The option is just burried 3 layers deep. I'm not running windows here, but IIRC it's under: system control panel -> performance tab -> advanced.

I've done it since Win3.1 (3, Interesting)

khasim (1285) | more than 6 years ago | (#21343577)

And ever since Win3.1 I've been complaining about variable sized swap files. Come on, Bill!

There's nothing to it. Just save some of the drive space when you install (this is a problem with some "recovery CD's" that grab everything) and format it later. Then add a swap file to it and set the swap file on C:\ to 0 bytes. Reboot and it's set.

This is indeed a mystery. Even back in the 1970's you could designate a device to use for the swap file and it was pre-extended. You even had the option to place it on the middle cylinders of a disk so it was, on average, faster to access.

Do you ever notice that we seem to be re-inventing everything we've learned before? I'd prefer to put the swap drive as close to the outer sectors as possible. That's a bitch with Windows. So it ends up on the inner sectors. I sacrifice speed to reduce fragmentation. But seeing as how the speed would be awful anyway (RAM swapping to even the fastest drive sucks rocks), I'm not bothered by it.

Re:I've done it since Win3.1 (4, Insightful)

ackthpt (218170) | more than 6 years ago | (#21343685)

Do you ever notice that we seem to be re-inventing everything we've learned before?

I began noticing this with Windows 95. The bastards said it would run in 4MB of memory. Technically it would, if you only ever wanted to start it up. (12MB was the bare minimum to run some modest apps without paging.) I admined a Dec PDP 11/45 and learned a lot about tuning a system for performance. When you had 256 KB of memory, 2 88MB HDDs, a 4 MB core memory swap disk (anyone ever see a Megastore? :) and had to shared nicely among as many as 40 users at a time, you learned how to get the most out of it. Seems the approach these days is: Throw more money at it. Buy more RAM, bigger HDD, upgrade (why do Windows upgrades always require tonnes more RAM?), faster CPU, etc. Performance tuning at Microsoft seems blasphemy.

Re:Am I the only person who makes a 2nd partition? (1)

Martin Blank (154261) | more than 6 years ago | (#21343583)

It's a manual procedure. Create a partition of 5GB and format it. Configure the swap file to be 4GB and to go on that partition only. This reserves the remaining gigabyte for temp files, which can be pointed to that location through a couple of other parameters.

Re:Am I the only person who makes a 2nd partition? (5, Insightful)

Opportunist (166417) | more than 6 years ago | (#21343587)

While we're at "sensible default settings": Show those damn extensions!

Re:Am I the only person who makes a 2nd partition? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21343749)

+1, insightful!! (About damn time someone mentioned this one.)

Re:Am I the only person who makes a 2nd partition? (1, Insightful)

vimh42 (981236) | more than 6 years ago | (#21343763)

I've always been in the habit of making four partitions. Windows, applications, games and misc/tmp drive. It's worked well for me.

Re:Am I the only person who makes a 2nd partition? (5, Funny)

Frosty Piss (770223) | more than 6 years ago | (#21343803)

I've always been in the habit of making four partitions. Windows, applications, games and misc/tmp drive. It's worked well for me.
Maybe so, but I find that 5 works best: Windows, applications, games and misc/tmp, and porn.

Re:Am I the only person who makes a 2nd partition? (1)

The MAZZTer (911996) | more than 6 years ago | (#21343831)

C:\Windows\temp was done away with back with Windows NT... IIRC. At any rate, here in XP it's a per-user folder under a user's Application Data\Local Settings

I lock my swap file down to a fixed size too, although to only 1.5gb, since I heard you should stick to 3x ram and I had .5gb ram to start... then I got 1gb more ram and I just kept the swap size.

However more recently I realized that it's not a good idea to lock the upper bound of the size... since if a program starts eating memory out of control I'd rather have the swap file grow a bit and the program crash when it hits the 2gb barrier than risk the whole OS crashing when the comp runs out of memory... that happened to me once when I had .5gb memory. Not fun. So I just lock the lower bound to 1.5gb and I figure it should stay that size unless something drastic happens.

I don't know if locking the size really makes a difference now though. Back in the 16-bit days it was supposed to stop Windows from dynamically changing the size of the swap file and thus made everything run faster. I guess I just do it out of habit and because I'm guaranteed to not have my free space fluctuate when I'm trying to cram stuff onto the drive and put off clean up once again.

Re:Am I the only person who makes a 2nd partition? (1)

nxtw (866177) | more than 6 years ago | (#21343897)

When installing Windows, I make a partition specifically for the swap file and temp files. That way they don't add to the fragmentation mess of the OS partition.

Speaking of which, why does Windows still use a variable sized swap file? I lock it down to 2x RAM or 4GB. Whichever is larger. I do not want fragmentation in the swap file. I'd prefer not to need one, but that's another story.


I suspect that if there were a significant advantage, this would have easy to do in OS X - if not the default. Windows lets you manipulate the swap file size, location, etc, and turn it off together. but OS X only really lets you control whether the swap file is encrypted or not. With 4GB of RAM in OS X, I've got about 1GB free RAM and 1GB of swap in use (out of 2GB total.)

Hmm (1)

renegadesx (977007) | more than 6 years ago | (#21343399)

Backup 360 games = I thought they were trying to prevent stuff like this?
PIP functionality = not hard
Infinate virtual desktops = they will proberbly limit it to 16 and sue Linux companies for copying windows wonderful new innovation
Re-open closed tabs = way to go, confuse them even further
Autoclean temp folders = how about educating people not to save email attachments to temp folders first and work your way up from there

Re:Hmm (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 6 years ago | (#21343497)

Re-open closed tabs = way to go, confuse them even further
"Undelete deleted files = way to go, confuse them even further"? People understand the recycle bin.

Re:Hmm (1)

Mostly a lurker (634878) | more than 6 years ago | (#21343833)

Re-open closed tabs
I think there are plenty of websites (Pr0n cough ... cough) that demonstrate this feature is already alive and well in IE.

Re:Keep those wishes coming (1)

Schnoogs (1087081) | more than 6 years ago | (#21343467)

Yhey probably meant saved games or the XBox Live Arcade games.

Re:Keep those wishes coming (1)

samwichse (1056268) | more than 6 years ago | (#21343643)

Opera has certainly had the "reopen closed tabs" option for a while now.

I never realized how much I needed it until I had it. Accidentally close the wrong page or wnat to check one last thing before you did? Hit Ctrl-Z and there it is. Close something half an hour ago and have a new reason to look at it? Click the trashcan icon it's right there.

What a great feature.

Sam

Re:Keep those wishes coming (1)

ackthpt (218170) | more than 6 years ago | (#21343879)

I never realized how much I needed it until I had it. Accidentally close the wrong page or wnat to check one last thing before you did?

This generally happens because I have so many tabs/windows open I can't tell them apart and hit the close widget I think I mean. Perhaps unique colours for each tab or window header?

Re:Keep those wishes coming (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21343771)

How about fixing the paging to use it's own partition, ffs!
No! very bad, the head of the drive will have to frequently move back and forth between the partitions. That will make the drives life shorter.

It will ship 3 years late and greatly trimmed down (0, Troll)

davidwr (791652) | more than 6 years ago | (#21343217)

Oh, and everyone will wait until Service Pack 1 before they even consider upgrading.

On the windows taskbar (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21343233)

The windows taskbar is really rubbish :(

Why didn't they include... (0, Troll)

Spy der Mann (805235) | more than 6 years ago | (#21343235)

"just die already" in the list? :( I feel betrayed!

Re:Why didn't they include... (5, Funny)

ackthpt (218170) | more than 6 years ago | (#21343257)

I'd like to see the option on boot "Load a lot of libraries you probably will never use, but will take up half your system memory, on start-up (Y/N)

Re:Why didn't they include... (4, Funny)

pintpusher (854001) | more than 6 years ago | (#21343325)

You have chosen to not load a number of libraries that you will probably never use. Are you sure? (Y/N)

Re:Why didn't they include... (2, Funny)

stonedcat (80201) | more than 6 years ago | (#21343509)

I think you mean (Cancel) or (Allow).

Fixed (2, Funny)

renegadesx (977007) | more than 6 years ago | (#21343559)

You have chosen to not load a number of libraries that you will probably never use. Loading useless libaries.

Re:Why didn't they include... (1)

cstdenis (1118589) | more than 6 years ago | (#21343575)

You have chosen to not load a number of libraries that you will probably never use. Cancel or Allow?

Knowing MS... (1)

Opportunist (166417) | more than 6 years ago | (#21343615)

...as soon as you click Y, the next thing you see is "Kernel32.dll unloaded". That's also the last thing you'll see 'til reboot.

Just Die Already (1)

phalse phace (454635) | more than 6 years ago | (#21343787)

Windows needs your permission to continue

If you started this action, continue
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                [Continue] [Cancel]

User Account Control helps stop unauthorized changes to your computer.

they wish... (4, Funny)

night_flyer (453866) | more than 6 years ago | (#21343239)

It will sell better than Vista!

Re:they wish... (5, Funny)

ackthpt (218170) | more than 6 years ago | (#21343319)

they wish ... It will sell better than Vista!

Oh, but they will find some way to tell you it does!

"Windows7 - Sales up 27% over Windows Vista among one-legged, blind, ambisexual, vegetarian, wombat herders born under a full moon in a month with an R in it"

Wish #1 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21343245)

people buy it this time

Re:Wish #1 (1)

ackthpt (218170) | more than 6 years ago | (#21343523)

Wish #1: people buy it this time

Beta Wish #0.9: All those cheapskates out there still running on Win 3.1, Win 95, Win 98, Win 98 SE, Win 2K, Win NT, Win ME and Win XP upgrade and throw more money at us.

Open Source Sodium Chloride (5, Funny)

EmbeddedJanitor (597831) | more than 6 years ago | (#21343247)

Who needs Windows sodium chloride: Us open source people make our own. Just give us hydrochoric acid and sodium hydroxide and we'll make... AAAAAAGGGGHHHH

Re:Open Source Sodium Chloride (2, Funny)

ackthpt (218170) | more than 6 years ago | (#21343379)

Who needs Windows sodium chloride: Us open source people make our own. Just give us hydrochoric acid and sodium hydroxide and we'll make... AAAAAAGGGGHHHH

Quick! Where's the Open Source PH meter?!?

Re:Open Source Sodium Chloride (5, Funny)

MightyMartian (840721) | more than 6 years ago | (#21343555)

Who needs Windows sodium chloride: Us open source people make our own. Just give us hydrochoric acid and sodium hydroxide and we'll make... AAAAAAGGGGHHHH


Quick! Where's the Open Source PH meter?!?


Sorry, the project's on hold while the development team debates GPLv3 vs. BSD licensing. Currently it can only detect sulfuric and nitric acids, though it does have real nifty Gnome integration.

Re:Open Source Sodium Chloride (5, Funny)

PhxBlue (562201) | more than 6 years ago | (#21343539)

Just give us hydrochoric acid and sodium hydroxide and we'll make... AAAAAAGGGGHHHH
Johnny was a chemist,
but Johnny is no more.
What Johnny thought was H2O
was H2SO4.

Follow-up story (5, Funny)

MrAndrews (456547) | more than 6 years ago | (#21343253)

Microsoft is displeased at the leak. Apparently it's not a wishlist at all. [pttbt.ca]

References for future moderators (0, Offtopic)

jfengel (409917) | more than 6 years ago | (#21343395)

Note to future moderators: "Informative" is for stories containing information. Stories containing obviously untrue things for the purpose of humor are to be modded "Funny" if actually funny, and just ignored otherwise.

You might want to wiki "deadpan humor" if you need a refresher course.

Re:References for future moderators (1)

ColdWetDog (752185) | more than 6 years ago | (#21343637)

I'm sure it's not the mods themselves doing it. It is just what happens when you post on a Windows Box with IE. Something just gets garbled in the transmission. I don't think Windows understands "Funny" and defaults to "Informative". Gotta look at the bright side of things these days.

Re:References for future moderators (0, Offtopic)

ls -la (937805) | more than 6 years ago | (#21343667)

Pfft... Mods don't actually check links for accuracy.

Re:Follow-up story (1)

Bill, Shooter of Bul (629286) | more than 6 years ago | (#21343415)

That should be funny, not informative. From the other stories on the site, its satire. Very well written satire, that may be closer to the truth than what microsoft is saying publicly, but fictional satire none-the-less.

Re:Follow-up story (1)

idiotwithastick (1036612) | more than 6 years ago | (#21343425)

I don't think that's a news story. Why was your post modded informative, and not funny?

Re:Follow-up story (1)

MrAndrews (456547) | more than 6 years ago | (#21343459)

I'm not sure, but I've submitted a ticket and expect it will be corrected in the next version of this page. My apologies.

Re:Follow-up story (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21343531)

>Why was your post modded informative, and not funny?

Maybe because funny doesn't give Karma and the mod was either feeling generous or on crack?
 

Re:Follow-up story (5, Informative)

macshit (157376) | more than 6 years ago | (#21343675)

Why was your post modded informative, and not funny?

Because modding it informative is funny.

Recycling (3, Insightful)

Tom (822) | more than 6 years ago | (#21343255)

So is this a new list or did they simply take the list of all the features they removed from Longhorn before it became Vista and exchanged the header?

Re:Recycling (1, Funny)

wizardforce (1005805) | more than 6 years ago | (#21343447)

it's a list of things ballmer is envious about other OSes and internet browsers. He's also developing a new model of chair for the release of windows 7 deadly sins edition. :)

wheres your innovation? (2, Insightful)

wizardforce (1005805) | more than 6 years ago | (#21343259)

half that stuff on their list is already a part of firefox and either a part of many linux distros or easily addable- what is new here exactly?

Re:wheres your innovation? (5, Funny)

Ben174 (853174) | more than 6 years ago | (#21343547)

half that stuff on their list is already a part of firefox and either a part of many linux distros or easily addable- what is new here exactly?
The other half :)

Re:wheres your innovation? (1)

dhavleak (912889) | more than 6 years ago | (#21343567)

err, the other half ;)

Re:wheres your innovation? (1)

Opportunist (166417) | more than 6 years ago | (#21343703)

After the Vista wishlist turned into a pipe dream despite delaying the product, they want to aim this time at something they know that it can be done and might be able to create with only a year delay.

Wow, Microsoft innovation (0, Troll)

gilesjuk (604902) | more than 6 years ago | (#21343269)

Trashcan icons, Close button on a browser tab, Antivirus?

It's no wonder they fight the DOJ and European Union to retain their freedom to innovate.

Apple at least added a backup facility and optimised the OS so it runs smoother.

Re:Wow, Microsoft innovation (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21343807)

Don't you have a bunch of important files to move around on your mac?

Standard Microsoft Operating Procedure (5, Funny)

elronxenu (117773) | more than 6 years ago | (#21343273)

Step 1: Release awful product
Step 2: Seed the marketplace with rumours about how great the next version will be
Step 3: Sell a lot of awful product (this is the Profit!!! step)
Step 4: Develop next version, dropping cool features and instead devoting more development time to Microsoft Bob, Clippy, and meaningless user-interface tweaks
Loop around to Step 1.

Jobs and Lunis are already prepared (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21343275)

It's never to early to start following Microsoft's tail lights. You just KNOW Apple and Lunix are gearing up to poorly impliment Microsoft's latest ideas.

I guess the only difference is that Apple will put it into their next $150 point release update, whereas Lunix will roll it into one of their monthly kernel bug fixes.

Re:Jobs and Lunis are already prepared (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21343535)

You don't know the first thing about trolling my friend.

My Windows 7 Wishlist (5, Insightful)

sexconker (1179573) | more than 6 years ago | (#21343313)

7 Things for Windows 7

No DRM
No Bloat
No Eye Candy
No ClearType
No Authentication or WGA
No Restrictions for Video or Audio Output
No Search Indexing

Re:My Windows 7 Wishlist (1)

Dan667 (564390) | more than 6 years ago | (#21343499)

Silly, those are features for us and I am not sure if Microsoft makes products for little people any more. Just DRM and other crap for big companies. Reminds me of broadcast TV (which I don't watch (use) any more either).

Re:My Windows 7 Wishlist (1)

MikeDirnt69 (1105185) | more than 6 years ago | (#21343607)

You're asking Windows to quit being Windows!

Re:My Windows 7 Wishlist (1)

Opportunist (166417) | more than 6 years ago | (#21343677)

Hey, if you want Linux, get Linux, ok? Leave those people alone that want DRM, Bloat, Eye Candy...

Re:My Windows 7 Wishlist (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21343691)

They already have that product, it's called Windows 2000.
Who here thinks they should just re-release Windows 2000 with longer support period and updated drivers? /me raises hand

Maybe they can add full disk encryption if they feel like being generous

Corporate development cycle (4, Funny)

athloi (1075845) | more than 6 years ago | (#21343315)

Given the latency involved with getting 65,000 people into the right parking spaces, much less coding up an operating system, I'd guess the list is this:

1. Telepathy
2. Time Travel
3. Prescience
4. Anomie
5. 4D Interface
6. Zen
7. Levitation

creators ready to 'settle' with corepirate nazi... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21343327)

execrable. it's not going to be pretty, but when it's over everything will improve dramatically almost immediately. see you there?

Sand-poundingly obvious things ... (2, Interesting)

Alaska Jack (679307) | more than 6 years ago | (#21343335)

17 years (!) after Windows 95-style open-and-save dialog boxes debuted, and I still can't simply drag and drop the folders *I* want into and out of the "Places" bar. (Or change the "Other places" links, if I have that left-hand taskbar thingie enabled.)

In explorer, I can open the favorites in the left-hand pane by clicking the "favorites" button -- but there is no way to KEEP it permanently open. I have to click the favorites button every. single. time.

Open and save dialogs highlight the entire filename in the text entry field, despite the fact that 99 times out of 100, I don't want to change the extension.

etc etc etc.

    - Alaska Jack

PS Using Windows XP pro. Don't know if these have changed in Vista.

Re:Sand-poundingly obvious things ... (1, Troll)

MightyMartian (840721) | more than 6 years ago | (#21343435)

PS Using Windows XP pro. Don't know if these have changed in Vista.


It's much better. Now it asks you to confirm your Windows Genuine Advantage before you click on favorites, asks you if you're sure you want to run EXPLORE.EXE and then crashes because you attempted to save to a restricted part of the registry. Oh yes, and then your NIC card slows down to a quarter speed and your video card reboots eight times, but it's okay, because there's no driver available for your USB keyboard, so it's not as if you could do something with it anyways.

Re:Sand-poundingly obvious things ... (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21343453)

17 years (!) after Windows 95-style open-and-save dialog boxes debuted...

Greetings from here in 2007! How is life for you in 2012? Has Duke Nukem Forever shipped yet?

Re:Sand-poundingly obvious things ... (1)

Alaska Jack (679307) | more than 6 years ago | (#21343657)

Touche' :^)

      - AJ

Re:Sand-poundingly obvious things ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21343811)

Greetings from here in 2007! How is life for you in 2012? Has Duke Nukem Forever shipped yet?
Hello, terran meatbag. I hope you receive this transmission from my home planet of Zaxxon. You have just 5 years to complete development of my ZX1215a spaceship software landing protocol. Failure to deliver will result in the destruction of your planet. Resistance is futile. Comply.

-- Duke Nukem

Re:Sand-poundingly obvious things ... (1)

vikhik (984981) | more than 6 years ago | (#21343485)

Something that I liked about Vista :O! Changing the filename will now only highlight the filename w/o the extension :) At least they're making baby steps in the right direction, aye?

Re:Sand-poundingly obvious things ... (1)

mdwh2 (535323) | more than 6 years ago | (#21343521)

Open and save dialogs highlight the entire filename in the text entry field, despite the fact that 99 times out of 100, I don't want to change the extension.

Tools->Folder Options->View, "Hide file extensions for known types". This should be on by default.

Your suggestion sounds an interesting additional option, but just to point out it's not like this behaviour is broken for the majority of Windows users.

Re:Sand-poundingly obvious things ... (1)

samwichse (1056268) | more than 6 years ago | (#21343687)

Tools->Folder Options->View, "Hide file extensions for known types". This should be on by default.

Oh, now THERE'S a great idea if I ever saw one.

Sam

Re:Sand-poundingly obvious things ... (1)

PhrostyMcByte (589271) | more than 6 years ago | (#21343573)

Vista lets you drag folders into the Favorite Links area :)

Re:Sand-poundingly obvious things ... (1)

Alaska Jack (679307) | more than 6 years ago | (#21343719)

See, that alone for me would almost justify purchasing vista.

As I alluded to above, you can come *close* to this by using the "Favorites" folder. Put aliases to your favorite folders and files in there, then open the pane by using the button. As noted, though, the pane won't STAY open.

Ultimately, of course, what I'm really talking about here what the Mac's Finder has: A pane on the left-hand side that you can drag things into and out of willy-nilly to your heart's content. I certainly find plenty to criticize about the Finder, but for crying out loud, I don't understand why this concept has proven so elusive to Microsoft.

Apple: Any folder you want, a click away.
Microsoft: Also any folder you want, as long as it's one of the five we've predetermined for you.

      - Alaska Jack

Re:Sand-poundingly obvious things ... (1)

BenoitRen (998927) | more than 6 years ago | (#21343669)

17 years? What year are you from? It's been 12 years since Windows 95.

And that Places bar debuted with Windows XP (or maybe 2000).

Re:Sand-poundingly obvious things ... (1)

datadigger (1014733) | more than 6 years ago | (#21343827)

In explorer, I can open the favorites in the left-hand pane by clicking the "favorites" button -- but there is no way to KEEP it permanently open. I have to click the favorites button every. single. time.
They changed that in Vista: now you can't get rid of the favourites pane at all, even if you want to.

Open and save dialogs highlight the entire filename in the text entry field, despite the fact that 99 times out of 100, I don't want to change the extension.
Open and save dialogs are at the mercy of the application, I guess, nothing changed there.
But in Vistas' Explorer, when you slow-double click or F2 to rename, the extension isn't hightlighted. Nice indeed.

Re:Sand-poundingly obvious things ... (1)

sqrt(2) (786011) | more than 6 years ago | (#21343889)

They changed that in Vista: now you can't get rid of the favourites pane at all, even if you want to.
Not true. Organize --> Layout --> Navigation Pane

That will toggle the view of the entire navigation/folder and favorites pane that have been combined into one. and this can be set as default in the usual way via the Folder and Search Options window.

Re:Sand-poundingly obvious things ... (1)

SeaFox (739806) | more than 6 years ago | (#21343885)

17 years (!) after Windows 95-style open-and-save dialog boxes debuted, and I still can't simply drag and drop the folders *I* want into and out of the "Places" bar.


Yes, that's exactly what we'll all be saying in another 5 years when the next version of Windows comes out and they still have not added the ability.

Well yea Leopard was just released (0, Troll)

olddotter (638430) | more than 6 years ago | (#21343385)

It time for MS to take it for a spin and figure out which ideas they will spend the next 7 years trying to rip off.

What it's really about (1)

Tribbin (565963) | more than 6 years ago | (#21343387)

1. Publish MS Wishlist
2. ???
3. PROFIT !!!

I think point two is the implementation of only minor items from the wishlist and have people think they need it.

Yup, similar to longhorn "features" (3, Insightful)

xtracto (837672) | more than 6 years ago | (#21343407)

Yup, I still remember when I got all excited about the WinFS Filesystem (yeah, in the ATM Machine) which was supposed to come in Vista... this "leak" was surely "leaked" by Microsoft's hype department.

Re:Yup, similar to longhorn "features" (1)

Antique Geekmeister (740220) | more than 6 years ago | (#21343693)

You got excited about patent burdened and deliberately filesystem work, designed to break NTFS drivers and prevent anyone from reading a Windows Vista hard drive without buying a license and support massively enhanced DRM? Excited is not the word I would choose.

More to the list... (5, Interesting)

glimmy (796729) | more than 6 years ago | (#21343445)

An interesting choice for the article since it is a summary of an engadet summary of this [arstechnica.com] article, and here [neowin.net] is more of supposedly the leaked list.

Re:More to the list... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21343849)

Welcome to the world of blogspam.

Biased to say the least. (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21343475)

I know "this is Slashdot" and all that but the article is pretty much blatantly anti-Windows without a real point to be made outside of that aim. The point of news reporting is to present the facts and not try to color them by our own judgments. I'm not a regular Windows user - On the contrary I am a Solaris user/developer but to me that article sounds laughably one sided. On the one hand there is no way to know this is a comprehensive list of what is to go into Windows 7 and on the other hand we don't even know the source of this list. Just sounds like sensationalist crap.

"If Microsoft were to adopt all the recommendations made in this form, they'd have...well, they'd have OS X or Linux. Either this list was a poll of UNIX-based platform users, or these are really the problems Windows users want to see fixed."

Oh please. Fuck you! You're belittling both Windows and Linux by a stupid comment like that.

And In Other News... (4, Funny)

MightyMartian (840721) | more than 6 years ago | (#21343505)

Oh please. Fuck you! You're belittling both Windows and Linux by a stupid comment like that.


And in other news, the heads of Solaris users around the world exploded into what one witness described as "a lethal conflagration born out of self-righteousness and impotence."

Re:And In Other News... (2, Insightful)

Antique Geekmeister (740220) | more than 6 years ago | (#21343765)

Wouldn't getting their heads to explode be the opposite of impotence?

My short list (2, Insightful)

Provocateur (133110) | more than 6 years ago | (#21343553)

An eject button for the DVD drive, as well as uneject. *nix has had eject and eject -t for decades, and Apple has a button on the keyboard (!) for this. But to install a third party app to f***ing close the tray is sooo 20th century. I don't think the EU is going to frown on this one as more monopolistic behaviour.

Will it run Duke Nukem Forever? (1)

mmell (832646) | more than 6 years ago | (#21343635)

Preinstalled? :^)

Re:Will it run Duke Nukem Forever? (1)

El_Oscuro (1022477) | more than 6 years ago | (#21343823)

I thought Duke Nukem Forever was included in the next Ubuntu release.

Who cares? (3, Insightful)

miffo.swe (547642) | more than 6 years ago | (#21343645)

Really, after Windows Vista i have really just stopped caring about what MS does. They can do whatever but i doubt Windows 7 will be anything but some minor enhanchements and some new fancy clothes when the day for gold comes. If they horribly failed with current codebase how can they do any better without a major rewrite in just a couple of years? It must suck for MS to have put themselves in this position.

Missing on the Wishlist (1)

WillAffleckUW (858324) | more than 6 years ago | (#21343847)

Was just one thing ...

Mindshare.

Right now, I and a lot of other people who have owned Windows machines (and MS DOS before that) have pretty much given up on buying a Windows OS ever again.

Myself, I'm torn between an Apple OS and a Linux box at this point.

But there is one category it won't be, and that's Microsoft.

Sad but true.

Not sure why ... might have been the constant invasion of privacy, the endless interruptions for patches, the integrated programs that hog your machine and do things when you told them not to do them.

But at this point it's the law of diminishing returns for me.
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