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Leopard Claims Half the Japanese OS Market In October

Zonk posted more than 6 years ago | from the not-quite-the-beatles-though dept.

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hoagiecat writes "Is Apple like all those bands who claim to be "huge in Japan"? Leopard accounted for 53 percent of boxed operating systems sold in Japan in October — even though it was only on sale for the last six days of the month. 'The software went on sale worldwide on Oct. 26 with sales kicking off at 6 p.m. local time in each country. Users in New Zealand and Australia got their hands on Leopard first, but Tokyo saw the first launch at an Apple retail store. About 200 people lined up in light rain to buy the software at Apple's store in the ritzy Ginza district of Tokyo. Lines also formed at other Apple stores across the country and at major electronics retailers, where special events were held to mark the start of sales. Combined with other sales of other operating systems including Tiger, Apple had an overall 60.7 percent share of the market in October -- that's a big jump from the 15.5 percent share it had in September, which was itself the highest share Apple had managed to get so far in 2007. '"

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An interesting counterview (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21355679)

Friends, have you considered the possibility that this is part of an elaborate Japanese plot [shelleytherepublican.com] to force us all to use their so-called "Wee" [shelleytherepublican.com].

Also, there is well documented evidence that Apple computers are not suitable [shelleytherepublican.com] for impressionable children and promote the use of dangerous and illegal "Wi-Fi" technology [shelleytherepublican.com] in our AirPorts.

Fortunately, sober and well-written articles such as these provide a cogent argument against the Macintosh cult.

Huge in Japan (3, Funny)

Mrs. Grundy (680212) | more than 6 years ago | (#21355687)

Isn't David Hasselhoff also hug in Japan?

Re:Huge in Japan (3, Funny)

gatekeep (122108) | more than 6 years ago | (#21355751)

Isn't David Hasselhoff also hug in Japan?

Don't hassle the Hoff!

Re:Huge in Japan (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21355933)

Isn't David Hasselhoff also hug in Japan?
Don't hassle the Hoff!
Don't worry the Hoff is off... hugging.... in Japan?!?!

Re:Huge in Japan (5, Funny)

Paul Pierce (739303) | more than 6 years ago | (#21355881)

David Hasselhoff is huge anywhere where you can't understand a word he is saying.

Re:Huge in Japan (2, Interesting)

djh101010 (656795) | more than 6 years ago | (#21356803)

David Hasselhoff is huge anywhere where you can't understand a word he is saying.
So, everywhere then, is what you're saying? Gotta say though, his appearance in the Spongebob movie shows that he doesn't take himself too seriously so, I see that as a plus.

Re:Huge in Japan (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21356807)

LOL wut

Re:Huge in Japan (1)

Foofoobar (318279) | more than 6 years ago | (#21356835)

Isn't David Hasselhoff also hug in Japan?
He's hug and kiss in Japan. However the 'preview' button is even more hug.

In Japan... (5, Interesting)

BWJones (18351) | more than 6 years ago | (#21355689)

I'll tell you that I just got back from Japan a couple of weeks ago and there is a serious hunger for Apple's products. When there, every time I pulled out my iPhone to check an appointment or change a tune (or anything), I had people asking me all about it. Even in technology jaded Japan where you can watch TV on your cell phone, they are absolutely stoked about Apple's iPhone. My comment to one guy in the Apple store there when I went in to buy a cable and became a minor celebrity due to possessing an iPhone was "what's the big deal, you have the iPod touch", to which he responded, "but that is the iPhone and we don't have that yet!".

Just wait for the true subnotebook or tablet. That is going to sell huge in Japan.

Re:In Japan... (0, Troll)

jrumney (197329) | more than 6 years ago | (#21355779)

If only they'd had the foresight to put 3G in it, you could have used your iPhone as a phone instead of an expensive, battery hungry, short on disk space iPod.

Re:In Japan... (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21355851)

Because it's impossible to use a phone as a phone unless it has 3G. Right.

GTFO, troll.

Re:In Japan... (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21356021)

In Japan, yes. Stupid, check your facts before posting.

Re:In Japan... (1, Informative)

McFadden (809368) | more than 6 years ago | (#21356573)

In Japan, yes. Stupid, check your facts before posting.
Pot, kettle, err... Japan has plenty of people still using their legacy 2G phones. Your main problem would be finding an Edge network, since Japan uses different standards to most other countries.

Re:In Japan... (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21356903)

Pot, kettle, err... Japan has plenty of people still using their legacy 2G phones. Your main problem would be finding an Edge network, since Japan uses different standards to most other countries.

How much do you know about the Japanese mobile phone market?
Do you live in Japan?
Do you speak and/or read Japanese?
Do you have an account with a Japanese mobile phone provider?

There is no EDGE in Japan, nor is there GPRS or even GSM.

Japan has 3G (UMTS/W-CMDA), CDMA (different frequencies than North America, so most North American phones CDMA phones won't roam in Japan, and no EV-DO yet), and local systems (PDC and PHS).

Yes, the latter are pre-3G systems, but to refer to them as 2G is somewhat misleading since in the context under discussion 2G means GSM/GPRS/EDGE.

The iPhone is an GSM/GPRS/EDGE device with 850/900/1800/1900. There is no GSM/GPRS/EDGE in Japan on any band. An iPhone will not roam in Japan.

The only non-Japanese phones that will roam in Japan are 3G phones with UMTS 2100, and some CDMA phones from carriers outside of North America.

Re:In Japan... (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21355863)

If only they'd had the foresight to put 3G in it, you could have used your iPhone as a phone instead of an expensive, battery hungry, short on disk space iPod.

Yes, because it's not like a 3G chipset uses any battery...

Re:In Japan... (4, Informative)

jrumney (197329) | more than 6 years ago | (#21356289)

Nokia published some figures for EDGE vs 3G chips a while back, but I can't find them now. At idle, 3G uses slightly less power than GSM/EDGE. On voice calls, 3G uses roughly double the power. For data, 3G uses about a quarter of the power for the same data throughput.

The biggest drain for 3G phones is that they have to keep the GSM radio polling so they can fall back without going off air for a period when they lose the 3G signal. In Japan where there is no GSM network, you don't have that inefficiency to worry about.

Re:In Japan... (0, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21355891)

That's odd, my iPhone works great as a phone, and the battery life is just fine. The charge lasts for days. I do not use it as an iPod though. I guess you do not own an iPhone, huh?

Re:In Japan... (1)

wattrlz (1162603) | more than 6 years ago | (#21356057)

Don't they use XCDMA in Japan?

Re:In Japan... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21356179)

Don't they use XCDMA in Japan?

W-CDMA, also known as UMTS, also known as 3G.

There is no GSM in Japan. An iPhone lacks 3G and therefore does not work in Japan.

Re:In Japan... (1)

schwaang (667808) | more than 6 years ago | (#21356041)

...I went in to buy a cable and became a minor celebrity...

Heh, so then you're telling us you were "big in Japan"?

A bit more seriously, I still wonder why iPhone excitement equates with Leopard though. It doesn't seem to over here in the US.

Re:In Japan... (1)

BWJones (18351) | more than 6 years ago | (#21356153)

Heh, so then you're telling us you were "big in Japan"?

Heh, heh.... Indeed. :-)

A bit more seriously, I still wonder why iPhone excitement equates with Leopard though. It doesn't seem to over here in the US.

I think it is just that everything Apple is suddenly very popular in Japan.

Re:In Japan... (1)

McFadden (809368) | more than 6 years ago | (#21356645)

I hate to tell you this, but anyone who strolls around Japan being loud and western (which most tourists inevitably are) draws a lot of looks or even approaches from complete strangers. Most foreigners who've lived here for a few years learn how to blend into the background a little more, but even if you didn't have an iPhone you'd get more or less the same attention.

Re:In Japan... (1)

The Lord of Chaos (231000) | more than 6 years ago | (#21357081)

I have a feeling it's a case first adopters envy.

Japan is used to getting all the latest tech toys first. Now all the sudden here's a tech toy that the US is getting before them, and they're thinking WTF?!?!

Re:In Japan... (0)

davidsyes (765062) | more than 6 years ago | (#21357105)

So, I take it conditions are ripe for msoft to suffer from "Leopardsy" in Japan.

(If only TurboLinux didn't sign the pact with the devil. Go Apple, GO to Japan. Go Linux. Then ms will have Turbocharged Leprosy.)

there was some confusion... (5, Funny)

MrAndrews (456547) | more than 6 years ago | (#21355697)

It seems there was some confusion about what kinds of devices you could install Leopard on, so these numbers may not hold up for long. [pttbt.ca]...

Re:there was some confusion... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21355953)

Informative? Moderators, are you on crack? You do realise parent's link is to a humor site, right?

Re:there was some confusion... (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21356581)

Informative/insightful gives karma, funny doesn't.

Informative!? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21355999)

Parent should be moderated funny, not informative. If I could direct your attention to the linked article:

Still, sales of OS X should still come out ahead of sales of Microsoft's Vista operating system for October, due to the waning popularity of the game "Baka Frisu" ("Expensive Frisbee") after unconfirmed reports that a player in Osaka caught a deadly virus after being hit by a Windows DVD.

Re:Informative!? (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21356773)

Informative gives karma, but funny doesn't.

Misleading headline (1)

qweqwe321 (1097441) | more than 6 years ago | (#21355699)

It should be something like "half of all Japanese OS upgrades were Leopard," not "Leopard claims half the Japanese OS Market." Because seriously, there's a reason for OS X users to upgrade-- and little to none for XP users to do so. Why should this surprise anyone?

Re:Misleading headline (2, Informative)

SeaFox (739806) | more than 6 years ago | (#21356453)

Because seriously, there's a reason for OS X users to upgrade-- and little to none for XP users to do so.

Leopard does feature better Japanese support. See Apple's "300 features" page here [apple.com] and here [apple.com]. I'm not saying that makes the upgrade worth it necessarily. But it does add additional incentive for Japanese users.

Re: Misleading headline (5, Informative)

megaduck (250895) | more than 6 years ago | (#21357133)

Leopard does feature better Japanese support.
This is like saying that the sun is brighter than the moon. OS X's Japanese support is nothing short of spectacular. All IMEs and alternate interface languages are included on the DVD (I can't remember if they're installed by default). Hell, it's even got an IME for Ainu. EVERYTHING is unicode, and all applications render Japanese characters correctly. Even mail. Leopard adds three different kinds of built-in Japanese dictionaries, including a pretty handy Japanese-English dictionary. As an added bonus, the fonts are legible and don't look like ass.

Personally, I need a computing environment that supports both Japanese and English seamlessly. Leopard fits the bill nicer than anything else I've ever used, including Vista (which I have to admit is pretty good).

1/2 the market??? (1, Insightful)

nurb432 (527695) | more than 6 years ago | (#21355703)

1/2 the OS market would mean that 1/2 of the machines in japan are farily new Macintoshes. Thats unheard of market penetration.

Or will it now run on whitebox PC's and i missed the announcement?

Re:1/2 the market??? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21355847)

1/2 the OS market would mean that 1/2 of the machines in japan are farily new Macintoshes.
No it wouldn't. It would mean that half the revenue from sales of operating systems in the specified period (October) arose from Leopard. Seems unlikely, but it's not at all the same thing as what you're saying.

Re:1/2 the market??? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21356433)

What strange logic.

More likely that Apple fanbois all bought it at once - they would queue twice round the block to blow Steve Jobs.

Besides, everybody "buys" Windows when they get a new PC every other year - OS X is much more likely to be usable on older hardware (PowerPC G4 867MHz they claim!).

Wake me if it sells more than 50% in November, December. More like single digits.

Re:1/2 the market??? (2, Informative)

jamar0303 (896820) | more than 6 years ago | (#21357017)

OSx86- You don't have to pirate it; you can buy an install disc and patch that. I've seen Japanese blogs popping up every so often talking about how they got Mac OS X on their laptops (one mentioned how liberating it was to have -essentially- a Mac with 8 hours of battery life- the computer in question was a Panasonic T5).

New Software Package Sells Well In Japan (3, Insightful)

grimfang (977321) | more than 6 years ago | (#21355705)

I don't really see what the big deal is with this. A bunch of people picked up a copy as soon as it was available. So what? It doesn't say much about the total number of Mac users in Japan.

Re:New Software Package Sells Well In Japan (5, Insightful)

p0tat03 (985078) | more than 6 years ago | (#21356705)

It doesn't say much about the total number of Mac users in Japan.

Yes, because they all bought the OS so they can admire it on their bookshelf. No, no wait, I know! They all bought it so they can install it on their Dell boxes! No wait...

I think it's pretty safe to assume that each copy of the OS sold represents a single Mac user, barring the VERY, VERY few OSx86 hackers out there.

I do agree though, this says nothing about Apple's growth in Japan. It just means existing Mac users are excited about upgrading to Leopard (moreso than XP users to Vista, but that's a no-brainer), it doesn't mean that Macs are necessarily gaining ground.

What? (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21355709)

Am I missing something or is some one trying to turn the initial surge from the release of a new version, into a long standing trend?

Re:What? (1)

AmaDaden (794446) | more than 6 years ago | (#21355961)

It is just an initial surge, but it is showing signs of a long standing trend. Apple has been gaining a lot of ground over Microsoft. And Vista has been tanking. I don't think something like this happened with the last version of OS X and XP. It's not a big deal yet but it looks like unless Microsoft figures out something soon this could turn in to regular occurrence.

Re:What? (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21356277)

The issue, is the poster seems to think it is statistically valid to compare September and October and show a trend. We all know that there was a bubble in October, because a new version came out. While Apple may be trending up (Maybe down http://apple.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/09/19/2149209 [slashdot.org]) the data presented by the OP, is meaningless.

not entirely surprising (5, Insightful)

FredAkbar (871106) | more than 6 years ago | (#21355723)

that's a big jump from the 15.5 percent share it had in September, which was itself the highest share Apple had managed to get so far in 2007.

This big jump makes sense, really. Who in their right mind would buy Tiger a month before Leopard is coming out, unless they specifically can't/wouldn't use Leopard for some reason? It's more impressive to me that they're beating out Microsoft, but I guess MS relies on the PC makers for most of its sales; it doesn't really need to specifically sell Vista when people are replacing their PCs fairly often. Macs generally last longer (or at least are kept longer) from what I hear, so it's more likely that someone will buy a boxed copy of a Mac OS upgrade than a Windows upgrade.

Re:not entirely surprising (1, Interesting)

Lars T. (470328) | more than 6 years ago | (#21356861)

that's a big jump from the 15.5 percent share it had in September, which was itself the highest share Apple had managed to get so far in 2007.

This big jump makes sense, really. Who in their right mind would buy Tiger a month before Leopard is coming out,
Obviously enough to account for an 15.5 percent share ...

Re:not entirely surprising (1)

FredAkbar (871106) | more than 6 years ago | (#21357339)

Obviously enough to account for an 15.5 percent share ...

True, hence the second part of my sentence, which you conveniently left out; there'll always be people who don't know/care about Leopard, or who would rather have Tiger. But this is a small minority, and my point was that the large increase after Leopard came out wasn't all that surprising.

Meaningless numbers (4, Insightful)

rueger (210566) | more than 6 years ago | (#21355755)

Without context these numbers mean little. How many copies of boxed OSs are sold in a typical month? A year? How has Windows boxed software been trending? Is it perhaps something that peaked a year or two back because everyone who needed Windows already had it installed OEM or had purchased their upgrades? And what part of the Japanese computer market is Mac, as opposed to PC?

For all we know Leopard only sold 250 copies nationwide. Or this may be a one time spike that means nothing.

In other words. (1)

LWATCDR (28044) | more than 6 years ago | (#21355877)

Best spin ever.
Boxed OS sales for Windows are limited typically two groups in the US.
1. Those that build there own PCs
2. Those that must have the latest upgrade.
Maybe laptops are a HUGE percentage of PC sales in Japan. Almost nobody builds those. Then you have the must have the latest. Well they have already bought Vista when it first hit the market.
I am sure that Apple is doing well in Japan but this is all hype.

Re:In other words. (1)

bigstrat2003 (1058574) | more than 6 years ago | (#21356943)

1. Those that build there own PCs
Those who build their own PCs would never buy a boxed copy of Windows, as you can go to newegg and buy an OEM copy for half the cost.

Re:In other words. (1)

that this is not und (1026860) | more than 6 years ago | (#21357265)

I used to buy boxed versions of Microsoft OSes almost exclusively. I bought Windows 95, Windows 98, Windows ME and Windows 2000 that way.

If you buy a retail box copy of a Microsoft OS you can install it any time, for ever, on a single machine and remain 'legal' in doing so. If you buy an OEM copy, you might as well be running a pirated version you downloaded from a warez site as soon as you install it the first time on hardware it wasn't 'bundled' with in the OEM deal when you bought it.

Truly, you either get Windows bundled with a machine or you buy a retail box copy if you're a system builder, or you buy an OEM copy each time you upgrade. Or you run a warez copy, which your 'legal' copy becomes with that first major upgrade. That's the deal.

I also always bought the 'retail box' copy because I believe in clean installs, not upgrades and not 'recovery disk' kludge installs.

I also should add that I haven't bought a single bit of Microsoft 'system' software (an operating system) since Windows 2000. And never plan to again.

Re:In other words. (1)

geekoid (135745) | more than 6 years ago | (#21357443)

"If you buy an OEM copy, you might as well be running a pirated version you downloaded from a warez site as soon as you install it the first time on hardware it wasn't 'bundled' with in the OEM deal when you bought it."

this is seldom true. The only exception is PCs where they have a special version of Vista. Meaning it installs their crap and Vista. Even then it isn't always a problem.

I get a developer copy. That way I can install it anywhere, always, and in some cases multiple copies.

Not really a big accomplishment (5, Insightful)

proxima (165692) | more than 6 years ago | (#21355771)

It'd be notable if Apple did much worse than this.

1.) It's boxed sales. The people who upgrade via boxed sales are the ones who aren't going to wait to get new hardware to upgrade the OS. These people are likely to be the early adopters who will buy within the first week

2.) Vista has been out for a while, and the people who have upgraded via boxed sales have likely done it by now. Vista sales come from OEM distribution, not buying a shiny box at Best Buy.

3.) I would expect the numbers for November to drop substantially, as the early adopters will have their copies, and sales of boxed copies drop. That said, it wouldn't surprise me if hardware sales pick up a bit, as people find the holiday season and new OS to be a good time to take the plunge and buy a new computer.

The numbers to pay attention to are Apple's share of new sales, especially in laptops, and Apple's share of total installed base (which is harder to calculate accurately).

Re:Not really a big accomplishment (0, Offtopic)

UncleTogie (1004853) | more than 6 years ago | (#21356113)

Vista sales come from OEM distribution, not buying a shiny box at Best Buy.

...and who makes those shiny boxes at Best Buy? The large OEMs. [wikipedia.org]

Even if by OEM you mean VAR, [wikipedia.org] the point still remains that the Vista numbers are not driven by the mom 'n' pop shops, but by the larger retailers.

Re:Not really a big accomplishment (2, Insightful)

TheRaven64 (641858) | more than 6 years ago | (#21357115)

I think the grandparent meant the shiny cardboard box with 'Microsoft Vista' written on it, not the shiny box that runs the OS...

Not "huge in Japan" (0, Redundant)

webmaster404 (1148909) | more than 6 years ago | (#21355831)

OS-X isn't necessarily "Huge In Japan" but, it was boxed operating system sales, almost 90% of Windows users, have not bought a box of Vista/XP, why? Because of OEM licenses, when most people use Windows and most people get it from OEM licenses, who else has boxed operating systems that people want to buy? Linux is free and although a few people buy the boxed editions its mostly to fund development and such and other then OS-X, Linux and Windows there aren't any other major boxed operating systems so where else would it go?

and WHY is Windows always OEM and included? (4, Insightful)

wardk (3037) | more than 6 years ago | (#21356401)

because you need new hardware.

so for Vista, you buy a new PC.

for leopard, well, you install it on your old mac, just like you did the last 3 major upgrades

Re:and WHY is Windows always OEM and included? (0)

bigstrat2003 (1058574) | more than 6 years ago | (#21356985)

Bullshit. If you have a crappy low-end computer, that's true, but no one in their right mind would expect a crappy low-end computer to handle software made too long after they bought it. Better computers can upgrade just fine. Macs tend to have nicer hardware, and besides, for the price you pay for a Mac, you'd better damn well not need a hardware upgrade to run the latest OS.

Re:and WHY is Windows always OEM and included? (1)

that this is not und (1026860) | more than 6 years ago | (#21357345)

You apparently live entirely in the world of closed-source commercial software. Which tends badly towards the bloatware phenomenon. Every major rewrite of a closed source operating system is essentially a 'throw most of it away and start over' operation. So you need ever more and more hardware resources to run it.

I have been running NetBSD for a long while, and it continues to get better and more powerful on the same hardware. Because open source software 'converges' and improves in that way. Not because an organization made up of a big batch of middle managers coordinated a big kludgey rewrite like with the 'doze or a MacOS release (which tends to be an ever increasing bundle-fest as Apple keeps throwing more user apps into the mix.)

Granted, the 'gui' features of an open source OS do demand somewhat more power, but then I am an FVWM man, so my machine just keeps getting faster and freakin' faster. I can build the entire Mozilla Seamonkey Suite from source code in a frighteningly fast time these days.

Re:Not "huge in Japan" (1)

mr_matticus (928346) | more than 6 years ago | (#21357333)

Nonsense. People buy boxed Windows copies all the time, especially people who are adding a second OS or buying one to virtualize.

TFA explains this pretty clearly, but had you simply read the summary you'd have a better perspective--OS X's previous high was 15.5%. Meanwhile, in just five days, it accounted for over 50% of sales for the entire month. That means that the number of copies that moved was four times higher than ever before while simultaneously occurring in barely more than one-sixth the time.

That's a pretty big showing.

You also fail to recognize that every Mac also includes an OS X license, so why would OEM Windows licenses matter? Bottom line: a company with maybe 5% market share outsold a company with 90% market share, and did it in less than a week--in order for it just to MATCH Windows sales, it'd have to sell 18 times the number of copies per capita, averaged daily for the month--Leopard did that in less than a week, effectively selling over 100 times better per capita. That is, beyond a doubt, a "huge" deal.

Obvious comment (1, Troll)

OpenSourced (323149) | more than 6 years ago | (#21355849)

I suppose it's a surprise to nobody that a very small number of Operating Systems are sold shrink-wrapped.

Conspicuously absent from the article is any mention to the real numbers that make the percentages. I mean, if the real numbers turn out to be something like 800 total, of which 424 Leopards, then the "article" is just marketing. Likelihood of that, bigger than 53%.

Don't * me bro (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21355895)

Where did all the "dont***mebro" tags go? I had a good laugh this morning at all the stories tagged as such.

Re:Don't * me bro (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21356523)

we're still trying to tag this one "don'tupgrademebro", but it hasn't appeared yet.

Apple 100% share! (5, Insightful)

klubar (591384) | more than 6 years ago | (#21355943)

I suspect that if you look at sales of boxed operating systems on Oct. 26 from 6 pm to 6 am Apple had a nearly 100% share. The statistic is nearly meaningless. The initial rush for Vista already took place.

And somehow a line of 200 whole people in a city of 12 million (0.00166% of the population) doesn't seem like very many. More than 200 people probably lined up in the light rain to buy the Japanese equivalent of hot dogs that night.

Re:Apple 100% share! (1)

AchiIIe (974900) | more than 6 years ago | (#21356283)

Woops, meant to Mod you funny, hit "Overrated" instead. I do miss the old style mod where I would get a chance to review/change the mod before clicking submit.

This comments erases it, all good now, keep bashing the statistics in the story. While you are at it pickup a copy of Oreilly: Statistics Hacks [oreilly.com].

Oh, and here's the entire commend history summarized in five words: "Lies, damned lies, and statistics"

I'm not surprised, compare the fonts (5, Insightful)

The Iso (1088207) | more than 6 years ago | (#21355969)

OS X displays beautiful Japanese text. Windows is barely legible by comparison.

Re:I'm not surprised, compare the fonts (1)

tksh (816129) | more than 6 years ago | (#21357071)

Ah but OS X's input editor is dog slow to switch to whereas Window's input editor switches almost instantly.

Re:I'm not surprised, compare the fonts (1)

Llywelyn (531070) | more than 6 years ago | (#21357405)

That hasn't been my experience at all. Switching between input modes on both systems is very fast.

I've also got to say, having a built-in J-J and J-E dictionary in Leopard is very nice.

Re:I'm not surprised, compare the fonts (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21357205)

Honestly, they both looked like Greek to me.

Re:I'm not surprised, compare the fonts (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21357289)

That's no longer true [wikipedia.org] with Vista.

Re:I'm not surprised, compare the fonts (1)

geekoid (135745) | more than 6 years ago | (#21357365)

Yes MS changed it, but compared to looking at it on a Mac it still doesn't look as good.

Apple users are the only ones dumb enough... (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21355997)

to buy a new OS every year. Everyone else is happy with either not paying for Linux or buying an MS OS once every 5 years.

Re:Apple users are the only ones dumb enough... (1)

synthespian (563437) | more than 6 years ago | (#21356241)


Everyone else is happy running a Mac OS wanna be, or a Unix that's still stuck in the 90s(*) that has proved consistently that their developers are unable to forge a decent user desktop experience. Gnome, huh?

$ 129,00 for not breaking X in my box every 6 months? I'm in.

(*) PS: Mac OS is a certified Unix.

Re:Apple users are the only ones dumb enough... (1)

bigstrat2003 (1058574) | more than 6 years ago | (#21357053)

their developers are unable to forge a decent user desktop experience
That's a matter of sheer opinion. I think the exact same thing about Apple's devs, I've never seen a good GUI (by my personal definition of good, more accurately, "what I like") in Mac OS. Don't act like your OS of choice is above reproach, because some of us hate it just like you apparently hate Linux.

Re:Apple users are the only ones dumb enough... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21357227)

Gnome, huh?

No, users want a decent end user experience.

Keep in mind (2, Insightful)

moogied (1175879) | more than 6 years ago | (#21356001)

The apple os is a wee bit harder to pirate. As you need to have an Apple first.

Re:Keep in mind (1)

x1n933k (966581) | more than 6 years ago | (#21356193)

Not exactly: this FAQ [osx86project.org] explains a bit more.

The only thing is that is against the Terms and Conditions that one must Agree to in order for the Install to complete.

[J]

Re:Keep in mind (1)

aristotle-dude (626586) | more than 6 years ago | (#21356811)

Not exactly: this FAQ [osx86project.org] explains a bit more.

The only thing is that is against the Terms and Conditions that one must Agree to in order for the Install to complete.

[J]
You mean like with the upgrade versions of windows or Adobe Photoshop? Are you saying that people should go ahead and buy the cheaper upgrade version and hack it to install without an earlier full version? Is that what you are saying? If you don't have a mac, then you don't have a right to install the upgrade. Apple only sells upgrade boxes. The full versions come with new hardware from Apple.

Wrong Title (0, Troll)

TheBearBear (1103771) | more than 6 years ago | (#21356029)

I didn't RTFA, but if they sold 53% of all OS in OCTOBER, how can they for sure claim half the OS market? Isn't that a bit irrevelant? What if the market was already saturated with windows, and alot of people just bought 50% of OSes in October?? Again I didn't RTFA.

Bull$hit (0, Flamebait)

Dilaudid (574715) | more than 6 years ago | (#21356039)

Leopard Claims Half the Japanese OS Market In October - most misleading slashdot title ever? Does this mean that half of Japanese computer users use Mac OSX? No. Does this mean that Mac OSX is claiming half of new users? No. Does this mean that Japan, the place that coined the derogatory name fanboi [urbandictionary.com] is full of young boys wetting themselves to upgrade their version of OSX?

hmm... Does it taste salty boys?

Re:Bull$hit (3, Insightful)

99BottlesOfBeerInMyF (813746) | more than 6 years ago | (#21356239)

Leopard Claims Half the Japanese OS Market In October - most misleading slashdot title ever? Does this mean that half of Japanese computer users use Mac OSX? No.

Umm, you do know the difference between a "market" and an "install base," right? When the headline reads, "Apple claims 8% of US computer sales" that means they sold 8% of the computers in the last quarter or month or year or whatever they're using as a measure. It does not mean Apple machines make up 8% of all the computers in the US. Apple claimed half the market in Japan last quarter. They did not claim half the install base or even half the combined market for OS's and OS+hardware bundles. Maybe you just need a better understanding of the terms used.

Re:Bull$hit (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21356275)

Does this mean that Japan, the place that coined the derogatory name fanboi...

I'm pretty sure that isn't true. Certainly your link doesn't suggest otherwise.

This reminds me of all the "girfriends" in Canada (1)

PenguinBoyDave (806137) | more than 6 years ago | (#21356171)

Or...maybe they are claiming half of all Mac's in Japan are running it. Hell, spin it either way...nothing ever happens here. It ALWAYS happens somewhere else where it is darn near impossible to prove.

The operative word being "boxed" (3, Insightful)

DrXym (126579) | more than 6 years ago | (#21356217)

I don't think it should surprise anyone that when a new upgrade comes around for OS X that every Mac user is immediately going to descend on it. Let's see how long these figures are sustained.

As an apple user with a brain... (1)

xouumalperxe (815707) | more than 6 years ago | (#21356365)

... I have to say "nothing to see here". A country known for its avid market for consumer electronics and similar products sees large sales of a thoroughly hyped new product in a market that really probably sees barely any activity under normal circumstances (I mean, really, how big *IS* the retail OS market?). That by itself makes a record month without any effort involved.

in other news... (1)

sputnikid (191152) | more than 6 years ago | (#21356571)

... the Big Mac was the best selling burger with pieces of bread in US markets for the month of October.

Seriously folks, is this really considered news? The new version of MacOS X of course will outsell everyone when it comes to boxed shrink wrapped copies of the OS. Mac users are some of the most loyal upgraders willing to shell out over $100 almost annually for the latest Mac gadgets and GUI redesigns and the only way that most can have it on day one is by heading to their authorized Mac dealer to get it.

Congratulations to Apple for cornering the shrink-wrapped-and-boxed OS market segment.

Well, doh! (1)

kraut (2788) | more than 6 years ago | (#21356647)

Who buys "boxed operating systems" these days?

The Microsoft Fanboys would have bought a copy of Vista ages ago when it came out.
The Linux Fanboys don't bother with buying copies anymore - why should they in the age of broadband?
A fraction of the fraction of people who build their PCs from scratch buy OEM copies of Windows.
The other 90% of computer users just use whatever was installed when they bought the box.

So how come they haven't got 98.5% of "boxed operating systems"? I think they're just massaging their figures so they don't look like Stalinist dictators...

73% percent of all stats are wrong.... (1)

EdelFactor19 (732765) | more than 6 years ago | (#21356751)

while this tells us what BOXED OS was bought; it doesnt tell us what OS is used... or bought unboxed.

How many times has anyone you know bought a boxed version of windows? for me thats 0. I have only ever gotten it with a brand new computer. How many times are windows upgrades even feasibly runnable on the machine running the predecessor? 9 times out of time the person who has a machine capable of this is a /. type who built it themself and will throw linux on it.

ok there are fps kiddies out there; but how many of them bother to buy a boxed windows? obv they sell but I feel like throughout my life i see a lot more people buying new osX versions where as the windows crowd says whatever...

think about it, since XP came out in 2002, whats the rush been? nothing.
osX however has released multiple new versions... if you total that up together i wonder if that reaches the bloated cost of vista?

i dunno. but what i do know is that this is a useless statistic. we cant imply meaning to stats that they dont describe.
its like saying there were more wii's sold this year than 360's... couldnt the fact that a lot of people bought them last year be a factor?

Re:73% percent of all stats are wrong.... (1)

geekoid (135745) | more than 6 years ago | (#21357307)

Are you saying that people guy boxed OS and don't use them?

These numbers tell you exactly what they say they do. How many boxed version of an OS we're bought in a period of time.

"ok there are fps kiddies out there; but how many of them bother to buy a boxed windows?"

Now that's just being stupid. I would guess ALL THE OTHER ONES.

If apple sold 50% Then MS probably sold a significant piece of the remaining percentage. SO CLEARLY people are buying boxed version of Windows.

Gosh, if they only put a chart to explain that in the article...... oh wait, they did.

It's as if I can hear millions of minds crying out (1)

WillAffleckUW (858324) | more than 6 years ago | (#21357059)

"What is it, Obi wan?"

"It's as if I can hear millions of minds crying out in relief that their boot times are shorter and the viruses are no longer a threat."

"Well, yeah, but that would have been true with Linux or BSD, not just switching to MacOS Leopard."

"I see wisdom in you, young Luke."

Something is F**ked Up Here (2, Funny)

essinger (781940) | more than 6 years ago | (#21357223)

Microsoft Windows XP Home SP2 Upgrade had a market share of 7.2%. The Microsoft Windows XP Home SP2 Upgrade . That's the one that is only good for upgrading Windows 95/98. 7.2%. WTF.

Re:Something is F**ked Up Here (1)

pushing-robot (1037830) | more than 6 years ago | (#21357435)

It's cheap, the upgrade check is trivial (and if it annoys you, it can be bypassed completely), and most importantly the license can be transferred from computer to computer. I'd recommend it over the OEM version if you just want a basic copy of Windows for games or Boot Camp.

What else is there? (1)

Cajun Hell (725246) | more than 6 years ago | (#21357259)

MacOS just had a 'hot' new release, so you'd expect some sales. The 47% is the more mysterious number.

Few people actually buy Linux or BSDs in boxes, Microsoft has two pieces of crap (one of which has a support phase-out looming), and then there's .. what? Maybe while they say box sales, they really include OEM copies, so Vista is in there. Who else sells OSes in boxes these days? The figure probably includes something weird, like Symbian or something.

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