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Inside A Korean Rehab Camp For Web Addiction

Zonk posted more than 6 years ago | from the place-you-never-want-to-go dept.

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caffeinemessiah writes "The New York Times has a story about a Korean kids' camp for 'curing' Internet addiction. 'Seventeen hours a day online is fine,' said one such kid at the camp. From the article: 'Drill instructors drive young men through military-style obstacle courses, counselors lead group sessions, and there are even therapeutic workshops on pottery and drumming ... this year, the camp held its first two 12-day sessions, with 16 to 18 male participants each time. (South Korean researchers say an overwhelming majority of compulsive computer users are male.)'"

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Fris! (5, Funny)

Harmonious Botch (921977) | more than 6 years ago | (#21395255)

I've cut back to only 4 letters a day now. I'm almost cured!

NY Times (1)

Sillygates (967271) | more than 6 years ago | (#21395291)

you will need to login [roachfiend.com] to see the article.

Log my cock into your mouth (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21395379)

Stinker.

Re:Fris! (5, Funny)

Odiumjunkie (926074) | more than 6 years ago | (#21395341)

>I've cut back to only 4 letters a day now. I'm almost cured! Then I appreciate your effort in writing this post, seeing as it must have taken you twelve days.

Re:Fris! (1)

Harmonious Botch (921977) | more than 6 years ago | (#21395647)

I had a relapse.

Re:Fris! (1)

iMac Were (911261) | more than 6 years ago | (#21396315)

Better than a prolapse.

Nothing to see here (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21395265)

"Nothing to see here... Please Move Along..."

To your nearest Rehab Camp for Web Addiction

Re:Nothing to see here (5, Funny)

Hognoxious (631665) | more than 6 years ago | (#21396341)

Do you have to attend in person, or is there an online version available?

pfft. (5, Funny)

ndelta (1102663) | more than 6 years ago | (#21395277)

Seventeen hours? Amateur.

Re:pfft. (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21395513)

Yeah. They probably run Windows and the other 7 hours in the day are spent defragging, virus scanning, updating, and rebooting. If they ran Linux they would be Free to troll the the interwebs and advocate Free software 23.99976 hours a day like I do.

-twitter

Re:pfft. (1)

microcentillion (942039) | more than 6 years ago | (#21395559)

It's actually pretty sad that someone took the time to do this. Clearly pottery and drumming are far more entertaining than... whatever these guys do all day.

16 to 18 male participants
You are missing two key words

16 to 18 year old male participants
fixed.

Re:pfft. (1)

dank zappingly (975064) | more than 6 years ago | (#21395711)

I'm not even awake for seventeen hours a day.

Re:pfft. (2, Funny)

HeroreV (869368) | more than 6 years ago | (#21395893)

Is it bad that I've done this? I mean certainly it's bad to do it every day, but every once in a while is fine, right?

Re:pfft. (1)

vertinox (846076) | more than 6 years ago | (#21397255)

Seventeen hours? Amateur.

Actually, if you think about it (depending on your job) many of us are on the internet 24/7 even though we aren't addicted to it. I mean I spend 8 hours a day on the internet at work (maybe because its part of my job) and then when I get home I get on the internet to do other things business related (not my day job) and then maybe if I have an hour or two before I go to bed I'll play some online games.

Then of course there is the cell phone connection to the internet... Which I suppose makes the 24/7 part if you happen to have one of those jobs that your Blackberry puts you on call. Its not as much as an addiction as it is a lifestyle.

Gold Farming... (4, Funny)

Kedjoran (812649) | more than 6 years ago | (#21395299)

If all the Koreans are cured of their internet addiction, where will we get our gold farmers? China? They aren't nearly as dedicated! I bet they only get 15 hours of gold farming a day! Sleep they say! Who needs that?

Re:Gold Farming... (5, Informative)

Kyojin (672334) | more than 6 years ago | (#21395671)

Funny as that was, Korea is not where you'd usually find gold farmers. Korea is too developed for gold farming to be financially viable.

Starcraft as a national sport is another matter altogether, one that is financially viable.

Re:Gold Farming... (1)

sunami (751539) | more than 6 years ago | (#21397515)

Training 17 hours a day for football? A-Okay!
Training 17 hours a day for Starcraft? NOT OKAY!!!

Why aren't they "victims"? (0, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21395301)

South Korean researchers say an overwhelming majority of compulsive computer users are male.
If they were women or a minority race in their country, then they could claim that discrimination and prejudice were to blame for their problems.

So let me get this straight... (5, Funny)

FlyingSquidStudios (1031284) | more than 6 years ago | (#21395303)

You can either be an extremely powerful wizard ruling your domain with an iron fist or you can make pots and drum. Yes, that's a terrific alternative.

Re:So let me get this straight... (2, Interesting)

Citius (991975) | more than 6 years ago | (#21395321)

No, no, no, you've got it completely all wrong. In game, they're farmers who make pots and drums. Out here, they're...farmers who make pots and drums. I suppose that trading WoW and MMORPGs for Real Life is the big thing here...The only question that remains is: who profits from the 'gold' that they're farming?

Re:So let me get this straight... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21397193)

ladies and gentlemen (ahem)... we have a winner.

addiction (4, Insightful)

timmarhy (659436) | more than 6 years ago | (#21395307)

addiction is a driving force in humans, you never get rid of addiction you just replace it with something less destructive.... i mean lets face it these kids COULD be addicted to crack instead. i think computers are a pretty healthy outlet for such personalities.

Re:addiction (1)

Kingrames (858416) | more than 6 years ago | (#21395323)

The first step is admission.
Perhaps you should sign up.

Re:addiction (0, Offtopic)

timmarhy (659436) | more than 6 years ago | (#21395441)

i'll admit i'm smarter then you. no more to be said.

Re:addiction (0, Offtopic)

Hognoxious (631665) | more than 6 years ago | (#21396279)

i'll admit i'm smarter then you
And if that finely crafted riposte doesn't prove it, nothing will.

Re:addiction (3, Insightful)

The MAZZTer (911996) | more than 6 years ago | (#21395353)

Healthy in comparison to cocaine, sure... but there are other things in life besides computers! Jobs, friends (and I mean as in real, social, face-to-face interaction, online friends can't count for that), school, exercise, and a whole lot more... if you're on the computer all the time you can't do any of these other things!

Well OK SOME of those things you can do but it's not the same as more traditional methods anyways, especially as far as social interaction is concerned. And don't even TRY to say you can eat properly and exercise without leaving your computer.

Re:addiction (2, Funny)

Dunbal (464142) | more than 6 years ago | (#21395437)

but there are other things in life besides computers! Jobs, friends ... school, exercise, and a whole lot more

Like onions.

Yes, the other day I planted some onion seeds, and I am thrilled to watch them sprout and I am excited because tomorrow I will have to transplant them... silly, I know. But it reminds me that there is more to life than NO CARRIER

Re:addiction (5, Interesting)

The Sage Of Time (862628) | more than 6 years ago | (#21396133)

I can't have real friends, with real social interaction online? Interesting, since I have known people online, people whom I consider very close.. for upwards to 12 years now. Well all talk regularly, we all know each other by name, we all care about one another.. Hell, you can even have a face-to-face interaction if you want with a webcam, or throw in a mic if you want to bitch about text being impersonal. (It really isn't, unless you type like a wild howler monkey or something, and none of us do.)

My online friends have counted for quite a bit, and likewise they feel the same on the issue. Why anyone thinks a computer removes some of (or all) the humanity out of a person on the other end of communication is beyond me..

Re:addiction (2, Interesting)

murdocj (543661) | more than 6 years ago | (#21397323)

I can't have real friends, with real social interaction online? Interesting, since I have known people online, people whom I consider very close.. for upwards to 12 years now. Well all talk regularly, we all know each other by name, we all care about one another.. Hell, you can even have a face-to-face interaction if you want with a webcam, or throw in a mic if you want to bitch about text being impersonal. (It really isn't, unless you type like a wild howler monkey or something, and none of us do.) My online friends have counted for quite a bit, and likewise they feel the same on the issue. Why anyone thinks a computer removes some of (or all) the humanity out of a person on the other end of communication is beyond me..

Well, mostly because online friendships tend to be shallower than real world ones. Perhaps if you are talking with a mic and webcam it's a close approximation to what you get in the real world, but so much of our communication comes thru the inflection of voice, posture, even just timing of replies. Typing messages back and forth just isn't as deep communication as being face to face with another human being.

This doesn't mean that having online friends is wrong or terrible... but if that's all you have, you are missing out on part of the human experience.

Re:addiction (3, Interesting)

kraemate (1065878) | more than 6 years ago | (#21395359)

Is life really a series of addictions? I dont like that thought.
I am very easily addicted, and I definitely dont enjoy it. Being addicted to _anything_ wrecks havoc in a person's life, simply because you are spending so much time/energy on the thing you are addicted to, that other things in life are neglected.
What I really want to know : is addiction to substances any different from this kind of addiction (internet, games, slashdot)?

PS: I think i am an internet addict myself( over 15 hrs a day). Most of it lurking on slashdot.

Re:addiction (4, Interesting)

Dunbal (464142) | more than 6 years ago | (#21395427)

Is life really a series of addictions? I dont like that thought.

      We actually are much less than what we give ourselves credit for. We consider ourselves to be above our basic biochemical urges and impulses, however it's a constant struggle. Yet we choose to delude ourselves into believing that denying our desires to others somehow makes us a better human being. And we cast out from our society those that decide to act on them.

      Where is our intelligence? Truly you have hit the nail on the head. Perhaps you don't like to think that often you don't know why you act in a certain manner, but more often than not this is the case. We can choose to believe that we are cool, rational beings, however often the reason behind a specific decision we make comes from deep inside some primitive part of our identity. Anyway, this gives us something to blame when things don't turn out the way we wanted...

Re:addiction (1)

fbjon (692006) | more than 6 years ago | (#21397299)

however often the reason behind a specific decision we make comes from deep inside some primitive part of our identity
This is so true it's almost saddening. Logic is only a part of a larger brain. Imagine if it were universally easier to overcome our instincts, and people were just 5-10 IQ points smarter on average. My god, so many of the world's problems could just melt away. Sometimes I feel like humankind is just teetering on the edge of intelligence, having barely tasted it.

Re:addiction (1)

timmarhy (659436) | more than 6 years ago | (#21395433)

substance addiction differs from say, internet addiction, in that the reward chemical is supplied by a needle and not by the brain.

the level of addiction only ever varies from person to person, but an addictive personality will always be addicted to something at all times.

myself for example, I am not a very addictive personality so i don't find i need to go back to something again and again. I've also never had an trouble drinking or with any other substance i've tried. One of my friends on the other hand got hooked on the whacky tabacy after only a couple of tries and spent every waking moment from then on thinking of schemes to get more.

Re:addiction (2, Insightful)

Hognoxious (631665) | more than 6 years ago | (#21396311)

Is life really a series of addictions?
Not at all. However it's a superficially profound sounding statement that's likely to get modded up by shallow emo wasters.

Re:addiction (1)

rpillala (583965) | more than 6 years ago | (#21397125)

I think the clientele of these boot camps might have some kind of predisposition to addiction. Depending on how "addictive" your personality is, one may need to replace one addiction with another, at least as a first step. I find myself to behave in binges. So there are some activities I would never try because I would never want to be addicted. It could be silly of me, but I guess everyone handles risk their own way.

So I think the answer is that some lives are a series of addictions, or at least have the potential to be.

Re:addiction (1)

Dunbal (464142) | more than 6 years ago | (#21395405)

Several notable human "addictions" include food, air, sex (alone or with others)...

Except for air, these things stimulate the release of dopamine (the "reward" neurotransmitter) when acquired. Take them away and expect a violent response from the subject. I'd say those were pretty solid "addictions".

Oh wait, the plebs think "addiction" only implies "negative" things...

I wonder what this camp's relapse rate is.

Re:addiction (1)

usrcpp (1184447) | more than 6 years ago | (#21395591)

You see eating, breathing and having sex as addictions whereas I see excessive eating, excessive breathing and excessive sex as addictions, not because they have negative side-effects, which they may or may not, but because they take an action to an extreme. I drive to work every day and get a nice fuzzy feeling inside when I get there, but that doesn't mean I'm addicted to driving.


I speak as a layman; you've been warned!

Re:addiction (5, Interesting)

MoralHazard (447833) | more than 6 years ago | (#21395891)

I like how you put the word addiction in quotes, cleverly re-defining the word to mean something completely different from what the word *actually* means. And by that, I refer to the medical definition of addiction in the DSM-IV and the literature, which is used by psychologists and doctors (including psychiatrists) and pretty much the rest of the human race. Except you--you have a fondness for the methods of Lewis Carroll, perhaps?

I'll boil it down for you: Addiction is a psychological phenomenon wherein an addicted subject comes to focus on some external, directly reward-inducing activity to such a degree that it attenuates normal behavior, and the compulsion continues even in the face of negative consequences. In this usage, the term "normal" means the behaviors of the subject prior to the introduction of the external activity, but it also includes social and statistical norms, to some extent.

In other words, you're addicted when the particular activity or substance dominates your behavior, modifying the way that you live your life to a significant degree, and you don't stop the activity even when the bad consequences build up. An illustrative thought experiment is to take the addict and consider the opinion that his or her past self might have, looking forward in the future from the early days of use. If a guy who had maybe done coke once or twice had a vision of the future a la "A Christmas Carol", and saw himself five years later missing mortgage payments and losing his family because all he wanted to do is blow lines up his nose, how would he view the situation? Granted, this game doesn't model a lot of specific cases (such as adolescents), so take it with a grain of salt, but I think the point is pretty clear.

So, you see how the sex, air, and food examples don't really work, here. Consider that:

  * I am generally receptive to sex, and sexual thoughts often enter my (male) mind.
  * The act of sex causes me great pleasure when I engage in it.
  * I would express disappointment at being denied sex, if I had some expectation of it at a particular time.

But also consider:

  * I don't compulsively pursue sexual activity to the exclusion of working, socializing or engaging in other activities.
  * My sexual activities don't cause large negative consequences to me, like my GF leaving me because I can't stop having casual sex with other women, or the cops picking me up for soliciting prostitutes.
  * I'm pretty confident that my peers who share my general values regarding sexual activity (i.e., not hard-core Christians) would be OK trading patterns of sexual activity with me. Other people (caveat as given) don't generally look at my sexual behavior and go "Eew, that guy needs help."

Now, there ARE people who have sexual addictions, that have exactly that last set of problems I just mentioned. These aren't just people who like to have sex a lot, or who have high sex drives--these are people who are constantly trolling bars or cruising for hookers several nights a week, who lose their jobs after being warned about looking at porn at work and keep doing it. These are people who are ashamed of their actions, even in the company of generally sexually-liberated folks, and who often want to change their behavior but don't see a way out of it.

It's the same with booze, coke, heroin, gambling, cigarettes. Virtually everybody in college (in the US, anyway) engages in binge drinking, where you get blackout, puking drunk with your pals several nights a week for four straight years. Some of these people don't go to class, don't study, and fail out, while others finish up just fine (maybe not summa cum laude, but well enough) and graduate. When they leave college, some people grow up and start drinking more responsibly, while others keep doing it and end up sacrificing relationships, job performance, finances, etc. The bottom line is, some people who do it are addicted, and (usually) most people who do it aren't, and there is a line between the two groups. Granted, it's not always a clear, bright, thin line, and people sometimes move from one side to the other, but there IS a line.

Wikipedia has a great summary, which even distinguishes between physical dependence (withdrawal symptoms) and psychological compulsion (addiction itself), and talks about some alternate theories and criticisms of the conventional view. Read the article, follow a few of the cites, and maybe do a little research on your own. In contrast to much of psychology, there are a lot of accessible but still informative journal articles in recent publication.

Re:addiction (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21396853)

Let's apply these rules to homosexuality as it was sometimes treated in much of the West during the 20th century:

*My sexual activities don't cause large negative consequences to me, like my GF leaving me because I can't stop having casual sex with other women, or the cops picking me up for soliciting prostitutes.

Oops, your family will disown you, friends abandon you, and you could be thrown in prison for sodomy.

* I'm pretty confident that my peers who share my general values regarding sexual activity (i.e., not hard-core Christians) would be OK trading patterns of sexual activity with me. Other people (caveat as given) don't generally look at my sexual behavior and go "Eew, that guy needs help."

Your friends definitely say "Eew" but they may be more likely to refer you to religious counsel than mental health practitioners. Which is interesting, because psychology and psychiatry really have a nasty little habit of taking on the role of secular priesthood and morality and thought police. Just like the last priesthood they can have a tendency to rely on methods that wouldn't pass strict scientific muster, yet they claim to act within scientfic tenents. As far as psychiatry and psychology go, I suggest people proceed with skepticism and caution, just as with religion. My cathpa was "conforms" too, how about that.

Re:addiction (1)

xouumalperxe (815707) | more than 6 years ago | (#21398611)

While quite evocative, your counter argument fails to address the first and probably most important of the items the GP used to define addiction: I don't compulsively pursue sexual activity to the exclusion of working, socializing or engaging in other activities.

In fact, I'll counter your counter arguments with something else: smoking is well known to be addictive, yet, except for the most hardcore cases of chain smoking, it's a socially accepted addiction. So social acceptance of your behaviour is an aid in defining addiction (as per the grandparent's example), but it's neither sufficient (as per your example) nor a required condition (as follows from mine).

Re:addiction (4, Insightful)

Dunbal (464142) | more than 6 years ago | (#21397937)

As a physician I am well aware of the textbook definition of "addiction".

      However this is one of those terms that eventually will be modified, as it has turned into a "label" and fails to identify the psychological conditions that usually drive "addiction" and addictive behaviour - anxiety disorder, depression, and bipolar mood disorder. "Addiction" is a symptom, not a pathology. Not everyone who smokes crack or shoots heroin or goes online becomes an instant "addict". Like everything else in medicine, pathology usually requires several predisposing factors.

      My bending the term "addiction" to include common, every day acts (which happen to stimulate the same pathways in the brain) was an attempt to ridicule this "label". Just as we no longer say that patients are "retarded", soon the term "addict" will be used less frequently among health professionals.

Mod parent up. (no text) (1)

Non-Huffable Kitten (1142561) | more than 6 years ago | (#21398149)

no text

Re:addiction (1)

Non-Huffable Kitten (1142561) | more than 6 years ago | (#21398345)

Hmm I just decided to write a real reply in addition to the suggestion to upmod.

You totally hit the nail on the head there. People like to tell the "it releases dopamine and thus mechanically makes you take it again"-story. But IME, that's only one side of the story, and temporary relief of mental states such as depression is at least as strong a motivator.

IMHO, when your life is going well, it's relatively easy to avoid reinforcers; but if your entire day is bleak and anhedonic, anything that changes that can be very addictive. It's not simply that you're a slave to dopamine; actually when your state of mind is really bad (in an apparently "low-level" way, not the kind where you can just snap out of it), you can make the argument to yourself that a mood-increasing substance or activity would be rational because it would make your mind work "better".

Some experimental evidence [wikipedia.org]

Btw, if I was you, I wouldn't call food, sex etc. "addictions" - in order to avoid pointless semantic arguments that distract from your very real point :)

True, but [was Re:addiction] (2, Interesting)

kaiwai (765866) | more than 6 years ago | (#21396883)

Lets remember the couple of guys who have died after going on an internet bender; for me, its all about balance; sure, I spend a few hours on the internet, but I tend to watch no television, what I do on the internet is reading articles or related to university study.

The problem I think also happens when people use the internet to replace human interaction; like I said, I use the internet for a few hours each day, but watching no internet and social during the day, it balances out eventually.

The question that needs to be asked - is why? why are they addicted to it? it isn't just as simple as "oh, he has an interests" - interests come and go, interests tend to have a finite limit on how long one can do that given interest before wanting to do something else.

Internet addiction tends to be the symptom of a much larger, more complex problem.

Pot,/Kettle (1)

lobiusmoop (305328) | more than 6 years ago | (#21395327)

I'm _meant_ to be on vacation just now. The fact I'm reading this on my laptop in the Hong Kong Central Library, with a trip to Seoul tomorow, is probably some kind of sign. More time in the Big Blue Room required!

They should look at the bright side (5, Funny)

JudgeFurious (455868) | more than 6 years ago | (#21395351)

Those people who become addicted to the internet and spend all of their time online will be less likely to breed. That should eventually lead to an "internet resistant" strain of human being capable of using the internet to accomplish tasks and then walk away.

Re:They should look at the bright side (1)

Tablizer (95088) | more than 6 years ago | (#21395375)

Those people who become addicted to the internet and spend all of their time online will be less likely to breed.

You mean physically breed. You forgot about digital mental mitosis (called viruses in some circles). Bwaaa ha ha ha ha...
       

Re:They should look at the bright side (1)

tabledesk (1190555) | more than 6 years ago | (#21395531)

I'm going to conceive many, many children in spite of you.

Re:They should look at the bright side (1)

jagdish (981925) | more than 6 years ago | (#21395799)

I'm going to conceive many, many children in spite of you.
I think you mean inspite. Or do you procreate when you are angry ?

Re:They should look at the bright side (1)

oddfox (685475) | more than 6 years ago | (#21396223)

The guy was right actually, inspite isn't a word.

Re:They should look at the bright side (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21395551)

and when they do slashdot will cease to exist.

Re:They should look at the bright side (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21395645)

By the time that this would otherwise be the case I suspect that we will have advanced technology to the point where the line between reality and the internet will for our purposes cease to exist. That being true, it may very well be that someone will a knowledge of technology now considered "addicted" will be the minimum requirement for a functional society. yes it's absolute nonsense but so was the parent post.

Re:They should look at the bright side (1)

OGC (1156089) | more than 6 years ago | (#21396177)

Have you seen the crowd at a Korean Starcraft tournament lately?

Re:They should look at the bright side (1)

theheadlessrabbit (1022587) | more than 6 years ago | (#21396347)

star craft is more than a national sport here, its a national obsession.

My cable company has recently added a SECOND star craft channel.

When I am teaching my students, I often have to use a star craft analogy before they get it.
"Very: A Zealot rush is VERY effective early on".
"Extremely: The Yamato cannon is extremely powerful."
"Good, Better, Best....Hae Wan is GOOD at starcraft, Yeong Jae is BETTER, but I am the BEST, and if you disagree, I will beat you with my love stick!"

Re:They should look at the bright side (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21396239)

Those people who become addicted to the internet and spend all of their time online will be less likely to breed. Thanks... thanks a lot, you insensitive clod!

Re:They should look at the bright side (2, Funny)

houghi (78078) | more than 6 years ago | (#21396359)

I have the same idea about car safety. Let people speed as much and drive as irresponsible as they like and the ones that can not jump aside fast enough will get taken out of the gene pool.

In just a few geerations, we wil have no car accidents anymore.

Pffftt! (1)

Tablizer (95088) | more than 6 years ago | (#21395357)

Just outsource control of your body to some guy in Timbuktu and wire your head directly the 'net.

Can they help Slashdot addiction!?! (1)

Tiger Smile (78220) | more than 6 years ago | (#21395367)

No really.

Internet rehab (1)

Ethanol-fueled (1125189) | more than 6 years ago | (#21395381)

When I was young, my parents had a solution for Nintendo and TV addiction.
It was called "playing outside". It worked wonders!
But these days, in Soviet Amerika, toys play with YOU!

Re:Internet rehab (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21395449)

Yep, didn't even read the headline did ya? This story is about Koreans in, you know, Korea. America isn't the only country in the world.

Re:Internet rehab (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21395713)

When I was young, my parents had a solution for Nintendo and TV addiction.
It was called "playing outside". It worked wonders!
To address your point (as irrelevant to the article it may be), most of my older (40-something) co-workers who have kids claim they don't feel safe letting their kids outside unsupervised in this day and age. They say it was safe in their day and age but not now. So, despite that fact that electronic entertainment may not be healthy, as parents they actually welcome it, since it keeps the kids safe and occupied.

Not saying I agree, but then again, I am not a parent.

Re:Internet rehab (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21397723)

And as a result you're posting on Slashdot on Sunday at 1 AM. Yeah, it worked wonders :)

A better solution... (1)

grahamd0 (1129971) | more than 6 years ago | (#21395413)

What they really need to do is create some sort of VR goggles for all of these kids that put glowing exclamation points above the heads of their parents, bosses and teachers. They'd be the most productive people on the planet.

It wouldn't cost too much, either. Some electronics and a pair of giant, gaudy shoulder pads for each kid. Well worth it.

Re:A better solution... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21396141)

What they really need to do is create some sort of VR goggles...

Stop right there. I seriously doubt resorting to such a scheme would prove effective. Goggle-based solutions are notorious for doing nothing.

Hmmm... (1)

Frosty Piss (770223) | more than 6 years ago | (#21395507)

Inside A Korean Rehab Camp For Web Addiction
Old people?

so? what else is there to do? (4, Interesting)

partowel (469956) | more than 6 years ago | (#21395537)

ok...I am gonna get flamed.
So here goes.
Addicted to computer games. Games that let you do more than any gov't/religion/philosophy will
ever let you do in "real" life.
I've played many computer games. virutal sex, virtual violence, virtual GOD, virtual CEO, etc, etc.
Did "real" life show me any of these things? FUCK NO!
"real" life taught me I'm nothing. That I would be better dead, or not born at all.
"real" life taught me that being "different" is a fucking shit crime.
"real" life taught me that speaking out against authority is SO evil its called terrorism.
"real" life taught me that people who drink are more powerful than non-drinkers.
Real life is a joke. Real life can kiss my fucking ass.
The computer, aka simulator, aka simulacrum, enables me to do what "real" life would never
let me do.
I have learned that everything is possible outside "real" life.
"real" life is SO limiting. You can't do this without $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ Money.
what? oh? SO you are a fucking dictator.
I see.
You can't do this without permission? WHAT THE FUCK? Since when do I need your permission?
Nothing but power games. Some people think freedom is here.
Freedom isn't here. It isn't anywhere.
The prisoners of capitalism, democracy, communism, dictatorships, moderators, religion, etc.
Humans are prisoners of their own BRAIN.
Humans are bred to be authority driven. Its so easy to boss people around. Its not enough funny.
You are addicted to computer games? Oh, so?
Your addicted to "real" life. Your addicted to systems of slavery that have been here for at least 10 thousand years.
Your still addicted to food, air, sex, social gatherings, sleep, etc.
"real" life is slavery.
Games allow you to do what you want. Period.
Good or Evil becomes totally fulfilled.
In "real" life you have to fit in with the society. Be it cannibalism, stupid laws, stupid festivals, stupid mating games, etc.
Do you want to know the next "real" disasters?
Nuclear war is one of them.
Most of California will FALL into the ocean. lol. suckers.
Japan, New York, South Korea : ALL underwater. Gone. Obliterated.
War, Famine, Death, Plague : They will return with vengeance.
I forgot the superbugs. Heh heh. The weak will perish.
you want "real". You got it.
Lets see how you handle "real".
When these disasters become a reality, no one will say "I was right".
No one will be alive. rofl.
You can keep your "real" world.
I'm so glad Washington is on the soviets nuke target list. At least something good will happen.
ahhhh...no more white house. bwah hah hah.
Back to the topic :
addiction to computer games is far superior than addiction to the "real" world.
Freedom cannot be found when the chains of Man hold you down.
Freedom is not found in Man, homosapiens, etc.
Break free of the human brain.
FREEDOM!

Note : You are all slaves of space-time, matter, and this universe.

A prison you can see and taste and hear, yet are blind to it.

You accept this prison as "real".

Grow the fuck up.

Five human senses tell you everything ? Yeah, and ten fingers can hold 10000000000 tons without breaking.

Limited human intellect can tell you everything? Yeah, and I can make money on slashdot. LOL.

Let the flaming begin.

Assuming the ass moderators don't delete everything here. I wouldn't be surprised.

Censorship is rife throughout the world. Including the USA and Canada.

Freedom my ass.

Re:so? what else is there to do? (5, Insightful)

Smordnys s'regrepsA (1160895) | more than 6 years ago | (#21395651)

You have a great point. People might actually listen, if you stop ranting for a second and say your views in a clear, concise manner.

That being said, I don't believe you deserve a negative score. I was forced to stop and think for a second.

Re:so? what else is there to do? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21395953)

lol nice.

Re:so? what else is there to do? (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21395955)

First, I would like to say that i liked your post.
However, while i agree with you about "real" life, I have to ask, computer games? For fuck's sake, 99% of them make you feel good because of a small sensory prize they give you for completing some task. You object to the limitations of the five senses, yet games are the greatest example of such, the fact that most games today try to improve their graphics rather than gameplay signifies my point. I mean, take your average strategy game, a simple set of rules, and the prize is in the form of some pretty graphics of your armies, chess also satisfies that description, is pretty complex and somehow i think it is less popular than most strategy games. I should also say that the "real" life game thingy gives much better sensory prizes (and I heard if you are really good at it you even get that thing they had in "Hot Coffee", but in a much higher resolution). If you want something that's more challenging/deep, well, if you are into computers there's that "game" in "real"-life called "sysadmin", believe me, that's a real challenging one, and you get cool prizes for it too ($$$). I can understand that maybe if you are a speedrunner or one of those guys who play games in order to perfect them, gaming would feel like something very deep, but most of the time it really isn't deep enough to fill an entire life.

Re:so? what else is there to do? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21396109)

We've got a goddamned terrorist here! call the DHS! bash down his doors! take him to Guantanamo and fucking bury him!

Re:so? what else is there to do? (1)

Hognoxious (631665) | more than 6 years ago | (#21396331)

virutal sex
Should have worn a condom.

Re:so? what else is there to do? (1)

thebigo195 (949864) | more than 6 years ago | (#21396469)

spoken like someone that hasn't gotten head in a while.

Re:so? what else is there to do? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21396511)

You dropped your hat [gamepolitics.com]

Re:so? what else is there to do? (4, Funny)

garompeta (1068578) | more than 6 years ago | (#21396531)

So here is the deal, we reinsert you in the matrix if you give us the codes of Zion...

Opiate of the masses (1)

stormguard2099 (1177733) | more than 6 years ago | (#21396607)

... was the first phrase to come to mind from your description of gaming/internet. You complain about how messed up the "real" world is and since you don't like it you choose not to participate in it. It sounds like through your videogames you are completely trying to escape from this society and the "real" world. Unfortunately by not participating you are consenting to the will of the world and lose all of your voice.

My only thought is that maybe you should try and improve the "real" world so that it might be something you could enjoy and future generations can enjoy instead of trying to escape from it with videogames.

Re:so? what else is there to do? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21396835)

Your ideas intregue me. How do I subscribe to your newsletter?

Re:so? what else is there to do? (1)

Indefinite, Ephemera (970817) | more than 6 years ago | (#21396913)

I'm so glad Washington is on the soviets nuke target list. At least something good will happen.

Hmmm. A subtly hidden point about the side-effects of complete disconnection, or a sign that this was originally written quite a long time ago? Well, it's no less relevant now...

Re:so? what else is there to do? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21397207)

Go outside!

Does this mean I can use the Web to cure my... (1)

Tablizer (95088) | more than 6 years ago | (#21395565)

...Korean addiction? [youtube.com] .

Asia (5, Interesting)

proudfoot (1096177) | more than 6 years ago | (#21395569)

Much of the reason Asia is obsessed with MMORPGs is because they provide a form of escape from everything. Students are pressured much harder to succeed there, and failure really isn't tolerated. As a result, children are disinclined to try new things, because they might not be very good at them.
The need for such treatment camps is perhaps symptomatic of this underlying issue - that, life is so dull/boring that a virtual world is far more entertaining. You can take risks their, and noone will think less of you for it. (Noone out of the game, at least)

Different from Vacation? (2, Insightful)

ZeroNullVoid (886675) | more than 6 years ago | (#21395573)

The only difference from this and going on a true vacation, is on a true vacation you usually are relaxed and get to enjoy life. With the rehab camp, it sounds like you will hate life and yourself. Vacations involve technology such as computers. True vacations may include conveniences, but should contain a void of computers, cell phones, or any other wide-scale communication device. You can have them, but only use them during extremes. Just my thoughts, although I do not feel I have had a true vacation since I was a child, and even then, I spent a lot of time trying to communicate in a global sense...

whats the schools website? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21395679)

can anyone find a link to the website of the school itself?

Intertubes vs. real tubes (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21395701)

Drill instructors drive young men through military-style obstacle courses
Hopefully, the obstacle courses don't include crawling through interconnecting tubes.

should be an easy job. (1, Interesting)

427_ci_505 (1009677) | more than 6 years ago | (#21395751)

The camps job should be pretty easy. Just provide the internet addicts with girlfriends. I'm completely serious here.

Re:should be an easy job. (2, Insightful)

wizardforce (1005805) | more than 6 years ago | (#21395819)

The camps job should be pretty easy. Just provide the internet addicts with girlfriends.
Of course once she finds a way to escape, the addiction will be back... A lot of people who are "addicted" to the internet don't really have any alternatives that they consider better than browsing the web except of course, finding people that understand them in real life. They'd do just as well fixing the problem by finding friends for addicts if nothing other than to hang out with and actually do something in real life. I mean heck, most would probably settle for other geeks like them with similar problems [internet addiction for one?] and it doesn't need to be in some technology-free camp either. All they need to do is find something new that is fun to do, there's a lot to choose from.

Re:should be an easy job. (1)

Antique Geekmeister (740220) | more than 6 years ago | (#21396541)

This helps fix the next generation: dating your average internet addicted geek will likely prevent such a girl (or boy, for that matter!) from ever wanting to have children.

Re:should be an easy job. (1)

Renraku (518261) | more than 6 years ago | (#21395981)

Personally, I wouldn't spend as much time on the internet if I had a girlfriend. Its not particularly difficult to get one, but society has taught most women that unless they're showered with compliments and gifts, then they should feel worthless. As a result, when someone with a little common sense who isn't desperate for sex starts hanging out with them, they get all offended and either put them squarely on the friend's list or stop talking to them altogether.

Combine this with the lack of real-life social skills brought on by being online too much and you're going to have a perfect storm of 20-something singles that won't go near each other. The women will continue to go after older guys, and the guys will be blasted for going after younger ones that might 'Have a Clue'.

Re:should be an easy job. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21396487)

"Just provide the internet addicts with girlfriends"

Gay men and straight women don't get addicted to the internet?

Re:should be an easy job. (1)

garompeta (1068578) | more than 6 years ago | (#21396673)

What was first the egg or the chicken? Well the answer to that is the same answer to your proposed solution. First, girls don't like an antisocial man, this is fundamental for survival in our species. We are programmed in that way deep in our dna, the more sociable we are the more chances of surviving in our society, paraphrasing to Darwin. Secondly, even the nicest and warm hearted girl may understand the lack of humor, but at least wants to have an interesting and intelligent conversation. Discussing about bauds and bit rates doesn't make a nerd look intelligent. Even worse, talking about the last skill you got in the World of Warcraft or how you improved your aim in Halo 3 with the damned controller doesn't help at all. From the other side, an antisocial guy may not be interested in dating and not only uncomfortable dealing with "bitches" due to his immature EQ, but actually completely detest any interaction with the opposite sex, unless they can get sex for free without all the hassle of maintaining a relationship. After all the predominant impulse for survival in men are the sexual urges, no matter how antisocial or mentally disabled you are. (yes, even people with Down's syndrome love sex) Even in the case the guy is not seriously socially handicapped, he will be boring as hell if the only activity he has is revolving around computers, how monothematic could it be? Social life brings diversity to one's life, and what enriches it are the actual experiences we had, fortunes and misfortunes becomes a funny anecdotes once they are left in the past. And someone who is not sociable won't be able to interpret properly the body language and other subtleties that he won't be able to recognize in the weird world of illogical social customs and etiquette, like listening for courtesy even if you are not genuinely interested on what they are saying. So no, this problem wouldn't be solved by introducing girls to these misfit geeks.

TCP/IP over drumming? (2, Funny)

Glowing Fish (155236) | more than 6 years ago | (#21396067)

Some clever kid is going to figure out a way to get his drum to transmit information to a waiting microphone, that will encode the data and upload it to the internet.

Re:TCP/IP over drumming? (1)

dan dan the dna man (461768) | more than 6 years ago | (#21396823)

You are teh late [eagle.auc.ca] my friend :)

Seventeen hours a day? (1)

rice_burners_suck (243660) | more than 6 years ago | (#21396091)

Seventeen hours a day? What the hell is wrong with that kid? Nobody should have to endure being away from the computer for the remaining seven hours.

Re:Seventeen hours a day? (1)

mdwh2 (535323) | more than 6 years ago | (#21396909)

Although note that seems to be a rather extreme example. What does the Korean Government consider addiction? From TFA:

They spend at least two hours a day online, usually playing games or chatting. Of those, up to a quarter million probably show signs of actual addiction, like an inability to stop themselves from using computers, rising levels of tolerance that drive them to seek ever longer sessions online, and withdrawal symptoms like anger and craving when prevented from logging on.

Well, it's probably better to define addiction in terms of being able to give it up, as opposed to a simple length of time. But then, would we say the same things about books, talking to people in real life, landline phones, radios ... or people who spend all day exercising, like it looks like they will do in this camp?

The good thing about being an adult is we can spend however much time we like on what we like, without fear of thinking it is wrong, or, it seems, being shipped off to some camp for addiction.

Treat the symptom, ignore the disease (4, Insightful)

Opportunist (166417) | more than 6 years ago | (#21396497)

As usual with addictions.

Folks, people don't get addicted because it's funny. People don't shoot heroin into their veins because it's such a swell feeling. Neither do people spend 24/7 on the internet because it's their kick.

In either case people get addicted because it's an escape from something. And unless that something is solved, they will eventually end up where they are now. You have to replace that addiction with something sensible. Now, what does that bootcamp offer? Drill sergeants and getting a kick in the nuts? Yeah, that's something I wouldn't wanna escape from.

Now, internet addiction is probably more of a problem than heroin addiction. Especially when it becomes a widespread phenomenon amongst youths. Generally, it means that there's not something wrong with them but with the world around them. My money would be on insane pressure to perform.

But to change that, we'd probably have to change society. And ... well, it's easier to just stuff those kids into boot camps. No solution, but gives us that fuzzy warm feeling we're "doing something".

Re:Treat the symptom, ignore the disease (1)

canuck57 (662392) | more than 6 years ago | (#21397055)

Internet addiction sure curred my TV addition. After too many years of TV, it sucks. I am much better off too. I want to change the channels, I can do it instantly. I read something I want to know more about, I can drill into it until satisfied. I can read others opinions, not just those from a government sponsored TV/radio station.

The real problem is parents are looking for government sponsored baby sitters to take care of rearing problems. The Internet will not fix dysfunctional upbringing but is an easy target to blame, like TV was 20 years ago. I say 20 years ago, as does anyone watch TV without a keyboard/computer any more?

Been there, done that (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21396829)

These camps are great, see, I've been cured andZZERG!RUSH!!^^KEKEKEKEKEKEEKEKEKEKEKEKEKEKEEKEKE!!!!!!!!!!!!LoOLDooD!GG!OMGNOOB

Yeah... right... (1)

denzacar (181829) | more than 6 years ago | (#21397041)

From the TFA:

As a drill instructor barked orders, Chang-hoon and 17 other boys marched through a cold autumn rain to the obstacle course.
Wet and shivering, Chang-hoon began climbing the first obstacle, a telephone pole with small metal rungs.
At the top, he slowly stood up, legs quaking, arms outstretched for balance.
Below, the other boys held a safety rope attached to a harness on his chest.

"Do you have anything to tell your mother?" the drill instructor shouted from below.

"No!" he yelled back.

"Tell your mother you love her!" ordered the instructor.

"I love you, my parents!" he replied.
You see? The problem these kids have is really that when on the internetz they don't get to climb telephone polls shouting "Mom I love you!".
Riiight.
The problem, once again, is in the fact that kids, as they hit puberty, can't express their feelings of love towards their parents properly.
Not in the fact that it can be hard for a 50 kg teen to keep up with the pressure from peers and parents to be the coolest and best 24/7 IRL, while online they get to be who and what they want in 2 clicks of a mouse.

When these camps are finally allowed to admit that they are failing (sure... they will "cure" some kids... who will switch to other obsessions, some of them much less healthy) - I have a suggestion.

Sex camps!

Hire some pros and give the kids the choice - sex or surf. They will be "cured of the internet" in couple of days tops.
Instructors can still cheer them on and yell "Tell your parent's you love them!" at them.

better, cheaper 'cure'? (1)

arclyte (961404) | more than 6 years ago | (#21397149)

Wouldn't it be cheaper, and easier, just to get them laid? I mean, don't all the pron downloads go to show that we're only on the internet because we're not getting laid?

I'll start (1)

Dolphinzilla (199489) | more than 6 years ago | (#21398393)

My names is Chris, and I am an Internet addict...
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