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Linux Foundation's Desktop Linux Survey Results

Zonk posted more than 6 years ago | from the this-one-goes-out-to-all-the-penguins-out-there dept.

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DeviceGuru writes "While the Linux Foundation's third annual desktop Linux survey doesn't officially end until November 30th, the number of daily respondents have shrunk to a trickle and the Foundation is working on analyzing the results. They now have up an early look at the raw data. For starters, almost 20,000 self-selected users filled out this year's survey compared to fewer than 10,000 in 2006's survey. Not surprisingly, the Ubuntu family of Linuxes is the most popular among organizations, at 54.1 percent. This was followed by the Red Hat family — RHEL (Red Hat Enterprise Linux/Fedora/CentOS) — with 50.2 percent. The Novell SUSE group — SLED (SUSE Linux Enterprise Desktop) and openSUSE — came in third, with 35.2 percent."

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F!st Sp0rt (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21448373)

eAt ThAt

No Debian? (3, Interesting)

cerberusss (660701) | more than 6 years ago | (#21448375)

Both my current and previous employer has supplied me with a Debian desktop. No Ubuntu so far...

Re:No Debian? (3, Insightful)

yog (19073) | more than 6 years ago | (#21448417)

Ubuntu is based on Debian so you could argue that Ubuntu has gotten Debian out to the masses. My home workstations have progressed from Redhat to Fedora to Suse to Ubuntu and I feel that they are all fine distributions with their particular strengths, but Ubuntu definitely wins on the plug-and-play aspects. I put it on a Dell laptop and except for having to manually download and configure ndiswrapper to handle wireless networking, it practically required no technical knowledge. The most recent release in fact does away with the ndiswrapper step, I believe. It's not surprising that Ubuntu wins. I hope that the other distributors learn from the success of Ubuntu and make their next releases "just work", thus undercutting one of Microsoft's main arguments against Linux.

Re:No Debian? (1, Insightful)

Nazlfrag (1035012) | more than 6 years ago | (#21449863)

How the hell Microsoft gets to play the 'just works' card is beyond me. Unless, of course, by 'just' they mean 'barely', like 'it works, but only just.' Apart from the overly heavy handed authentication that breaks on trivial hardware changes, the godforsaken registry from hell and lets not forget their latest innovation in insanity, you can [Accept] windows 'barely works' or live in [Denial].

Re:No Debian? (4, Funny)

cyphercell (843398) | more than 6 years ago | (#21448423)

[sarcasm]It's okay, Debian's in the Ubuntu family of Linuxes [/sarcasm]

Re:No Debian? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21448979)

Sure it is, Debian is "Old Grandpa Ubuntu"!

Actually I think I just lost a bet on how long it was before a major news outlet got it backward and mistook Debian for an Ubuntu distro.

Proof enough (2)

DaedalusHKX (660194) | more than 6 years ago | (#21448617)

That performance or control over the OS isn't what drives adoption, but instead, it is bloat. Ubuntu could be claimed to be less bloated than RHEL and SUSE (both of which drip with bloat), but overall, I was surprised that among corporate offices and IT places that do Linux, not many are really using Gentoo or LFS or some such OS with a higher degree of control over what goes into the final installs, etc.

Oh well, guess its best to be among the few, than among the many.

Re:Proof enough (2, Insightful)

webmaster404 (1148909) | more than 6 years ago | (#21449305)

Yet MS products which give you just about 0% of control are still dominant so It is not surprising that most are Ubuntu, Debian or SUSE based because those give you better hardware detection, plus, Gentoo, LFS, Source Mage, and Arch Linux despite being great distros, lack commercial support that you can get from Red Hat, SUSE and Ubuntu. Also, the fact that you have to rebuild every update from scratch is a real pain on Gentoo, despite it being great for a home user, having 1-2 hours of 100% CPU usage in a business means that 1-2 hours employees can't work.

Re:Proof enough (2, Informative)

mechsoph (716782) | more than 6 years ago | (#21449639)

Also, the fact that you have to rebuild every update from scratch is a real pain on Gentoo, despite it being great for a home user, having 1-2 hours of 100% CPU usage in a business means that 1-2 hours employees can't work.

An institutional Gentoo installation would probably have one or two compile/test machines to produce packages, then just install the binary packages on all the production machines. At least that's how Purdue's CS department seems to do it.

Re:Proof enough (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21449671)

An institutional Gentoo installation would probably have one or two compile/test machines to produce "packages"

And one hundred minions testing for subtle and not so subtle bugs that arise on each of those compilations.

Gentoo is good for very specific professional niches, geek "aficionados" and almost nothing else. It's not a bad platform, but as long as it has not a solid integration testing and bugfix backporting is a big "corporate no-no" even for big corporations.

Re:Proof enough (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21449347)

Oh well, guess its best to be among the few, than among the many.
Yes, it's best to be an elitist tard that snickers at the ubuntu, redhat and SUSE users because they're not part of the gentoo crowd.

Hi boss, can't download from the server today! We have to recompile the kernel again so we can get that 1% extra performance! Can't have that bloat in there!

I was surprised that among corporate offices and IT places that do Linux, not many are really using Gentoo or LFS or some such OS with a higher degree of control over what goes into the final installs, etc.
It's obvious you have no idea about the real world.

Please stay with Gentoo I don't want users like you infecting the other distros.

Re:Proof enough (5, Insightful)

jlarocco (851450) | more than 6 years ago | (#21450207)

Please stay with Gentoo I don't want users like you infecting the other distros.

I think you've got the infection backwards. If you're ever having a problem on Linux, 99.999% of the time your best bet is to ask a Gentoo or Slackware user.

Snicker at their elitism, but fact of the matter is your average Gentoo user probably knows 100x more about Linux than your average Ubuntu user.

Re:No Debian? (1)

nutshell42 (557890) | more than 6 years ago | (#21448691)

The survey's your run of the mill online questionnaire. So it's a self-selecting sample (head over to reddit for lots of foaming posts how some mainstream media page took down a poll after Ron Paul got 80% of the votes. The vast leftright-wing conspiracy at work...)

The only thing it measures is hype, and the most interesting fact you can get from the data is that debian users got better things to do than fill out online-surveys. =)

Of course this doesn't mean that the data doesn't correlate with reality, it'd just be the same as a broken watch showing the right time twice a day.

Re:No Debian? (1)

Daengbo (523424) | more than 6 years ago | (#21449935)

some mainstream media page took down a poll after Ron Paul got 80% of the votes

Coincidentally, the combo of Debian/Ubuntu (basically Debian) got just about 80%. That's shockingly high. Will we see the survey come down now? I suspect it will come down in the next week. ;)

Re:No Debian? (1)

renegadesx (977007) | more than 6 years ago | (#21449339)

In a business setting most (not all) businesses want support contracts, even if it just makes the execs thinking they have some right to sue if something goes batshit. (when was the last person someone successfully sued Microsoft for a dodgy product is beyond me). They seem to feel more "safe" with support contracts in place.

This is something that the likes of SLED, RHEL, Ubuntu, Xandros, Mandriva have that Debian, Gentoo etc do not which gives them an advantage in the business space. Especially if they can undercut Microsoft's pricings.

In the home desktop space, as well to a lesser extent SMB's that doesn't really matter so you can expect openSUSE, Fedora, Debian numbers to be higher.

Ubuntu is in a unique sort of position where it's both the exact same product for totally free and paid support products as it seems to combine most advantages of where other distro's get things right and incorporate that into their distro only missing a few things.

Ubuntu has made it a so near painless process to grab propietry drivers and codecs, the only thing really left for it to improve is how well it plays with AD networks (fingers crossed Samba4 speeds things along) and find a better way to do DVD support.

URL should be www.linux-foundation.org (5, Informative)

chrb (1083577) | more than 6 years ago | (#21448387)

www.linuxfoundation.org appears to be some kind of domain search squatter.

The Year of Linux on the Desktop (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21448409)

The year of Linux on the desktop is never.

Bad Link in Orignal Post. (5, Informative)

Confessed Geek (514779) | more than 6 years ago | (#21448411)

Update the link in the original front page post.

http://www.linuxfoundation.org/ [linuxfoundation.org] is NOT http://www.linux-foundation.org/ [linux-foundation.org]

The first is just a traffic collector page.

The Linux Foundation mentioned in the story is at
http://www.linux-foundation.org/ [linux-foundation.org]

Thats where you will find the article/survey.

 

Re:Bad Link in Orignal Post. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21449559)

Slashdot editors sink to a new low by linking to domain squatters.

Someone should submit that story to the firehose.

Ubuntu (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21448413)

is the linux for idiots.... I hope the distro goes to hell.... Seriiously, and sadly, that is the direction Linux is taking...Long gone are the times when a normal Linux distro was a REAL OS without the bloat... Yes you can still fins and use one, or use a self made distro, but the average Joe is taking that bloat of shit... called Ubuntu, or mandriva or...you name it... Sad, very sad.

Re:Ubuntu (3, Interesting)

boiert (934539) | more than 6 years ago | (#21448441)

I myself have started using Debian sid,
can't do without apt-get but Ubuntu is going the wrong way (for me)

Re:Ubuntu (1)

El Lobo (994537) | more than 6 years ago | (#21448447)

Hmm.. I often don't feed the trolls, and you may get moderated insightful, but... what a GOOD thing that Linuzzz is actually getting to the point where it is more or less usable by the "average joe" like you say.

If you are one of those "real men use the command line" , why don't you take a larger step and made your self a punch card computer and program it using binary cards? Now THAT is hardcore...

While you do that, let us, the rest of that inferiour race, use whatever system we wanr, be it Ubuntu Linuzz , Abble OS or MS Windows, or whatever... Yes, we are inferior and not "real men", but hey, I do my work that way, and I'm very happy, believe me, with being a "second class citizen".

Re:Binary Cards? (1)

Zygamorph (917923) | more than 6 years ago | (#21448549)

While there are several coding systems for card input, none that I know of are binary ( the card is there or not there? :-) ). The one that I used most was Hollerith. A group of us in university came up with CBVS - Card Based Virtual Storage. The only virtual storage system that gets lighter the more data you put in it.

Re:Ubuntu (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21450003)

Feeding yourself doesn't count?

Re:Ubuntu (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21448505)

tsk tsk, just because 'emerge world' isn't finished...

Re:Ubuntu (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21448555)

if linux is going to get anywhere, idiots must be able to use it, as they are the dominant portion of the populus.

"Family"? (4, Insightful)

Bo'Bob'O (95398) | more than 6 years ago | (#21448457)

Family? I guess that make sense. Ubuntu of the Debian Order, Linux Class, UNIX Phylum. I guess that would make the Genus the particular type (server/home), and the species it's version number.

Re:"Family"? (2, Informative)

aztracker1 (702135) | more than 6 years ago | (#21449307)

Since Linux programs can "mate" for all intents and purposes, wouldn't Linux probably be the Species... with Breed being Debian, and Variety being Ubuntu... the server/client would be a characteristic traits, like blue vs green eyes etc...

%139.5 (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21448477)

Well, I could have believed %100 Since this survey was filled out by linux users, but %139.5 ?!!!
Am I the only one who sees a problem with the math here?

Re:%139.5 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21448559)

It's Linux math, just like how the Linux logic around Slashdot suggests that a mediocre operating system can be the solution to absolutely every question ever posed since the beginning of human history.

In other words, everyone in the world knows it's silly and wrong, but those who really, really want to believe have an amazing ability to ignore reality.

Re:%139.5 (5, Informative)

J0nne (924579) | more than 6 years ago | (#21448593)

If you'd RTFA, you'd have read that you could pick multiple distro's. The question was 'which Linux distributions do you run in your organisation', and apparently lots of organisations run several different distro's, instead of standardising on one.

Re:%139.5 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21449329)

It would be most insightful if there was an extra option to specify what you used before and when. I guess all the Ubuntu flow comes straight from Microsoft runaways.

Re:%139.5 ... you're counting wrong (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21448611)

If I were to fill out a form on what Distro I use, I would check off Suse, Ubuntu and DamnSmallLinux. I have boxen that run all three.

If every Linux user had one of each then the total would be 300%.

Re:%139.5 ... you're counting wrong (2, Funny)

turbidostato (878842) | more than 6 years ago | (#21449723)

" I have boxen that run all three."

You maybe have three Linux boxen but by the very use of the word "boxen" you already showed you own no common sense so your opinion is moot and ignored.

Re:%139.5 (2, Insightful)

grcumb (781340) | more than 6 years ago | (#21448651)

Well, I could have believed %100 Since this survey was filled out by linux users, but %139.5 ?!!!
Am I the only one who sees a problem with the math here?

Yes. If you bothered to RTFA:

"Yes, that does add up to more than 100 percent. It would seem that groups using Linux in the office have not standardized on a particular distribution, or even a distribution family."

Linux users are - amazingly - capable of using more than one OS at once. I know this is anathema to those who believe that the only alternative to white is black, and for whom anything less than perfect logical symmetry causes cranial asplosion. But hey, we got into weird territory right from the moment we put 'Linux' and 'Desktop' in the same sentence, and left out both 'doesn't belong' and 'the year of'.

Re:%139.5 (1)

Thanatos69 (993924) | more than 6 years ago | (#21448961)

That's all well and good but shouldn't it still be based on 100%?

Lets take three users:
User 1 uses Ubuntu and Red Hat
User 2 uses Ubuntu
User 3 uses Red Hat

Given this you would assume that it was a 50/50 split but given the numbers what you are going to get is:

Ubuntu = 2/3 = 67%
Red Hat = 2/3 = 67%

WTF kind of math is that? Shouldn't it really be:

Ubuntu = 2/4 = 50%
Red Hat = 2/4 = 50%

Re:%139.5 (2, Insightful)

bladesjester (774793) | more than 6 years ago | (#21449069)

WTF kind of math is that? Shouldn't it really be:

Ubuntu = 2/4 = 50%
Red Hat = 2/4 = 50%


No, it should be just as it was written. It's the percentage of *users* who answered the survey, not the percentage of all answers that were a particular answer.

Given your sample data, ~67% of *users* use each of the operating systems.

Re:%139.5 (1)

Thanatos69 (993924) | more than 6 years ago | (#21449207)

Actually, I believe it was organizations but it isn't really telling us much. I'm just saying that perhaps they could have expanded on it more. For example, lets take the same three users/organizations based on installations:

User 1: Ubuntu installed 97 times, RHEL installed 1 time
User 2: Ubuntu installed 1 time
User 3: RHEL installed 1 time

Now, since there is only a checkbox and no room for a number, RHEL still comes out looking like a winner with 67% even though it is really only 3% installation rate. Personally, I just think it's a retarded way of looking at it. In looking at just who has what installed you aren't really getting the larger picture. They could have RHEL installed just for testing purposes or as an email server while they are using Ubuntu on the desktop. Personally I have Ubuntu, RHEL, Fedora, Win2k/xp/2k3/vista all for testing purposes but which do I use more often? Ubuntu and XP dependent upon what I am doing. The others are only used for testing purposes but according to this survey I use all equally.

Re:%139.5 (1)

shywolf9982 (887636) | more than 6 years ago | (#21449151)

Well, it's an online survey. The data probably gets collected in a db.
The db has a record for every answer (1 record == 1 user).
So it's more simple to do the math on the number of users rather than the number of selections: having done SQL, and being the lazy programmer I am, I'm pretty sure that's the main reason behind it.

Re:%139.5 (1)

TheRaven64 (641858) | more than 6 years ago | (#21449355)

More to the point (made up numbers):
  • User 1 uses Debian.
  • User 2 uses Debian and Ubuntu.
  • User 3 uses Fedora and Ubuntu.
  • User 4 uses Fedora.
According to their system, each distro would get 50%, even though Fedora and Debian are (in this example) able to meet the needs of an organisation each on their own, while Ubuntu is only used in concert with another distro. More realistically, the results would be 37.5% Debian, 37.5% Fedora, 25% Ubuntu from these numbers.

That said, if they don't include the number of installs each respondent is responsible for, it is a pretty meaningless number anyway; someone who has installed Debian on their laptop adds the same amount to the Debian score as an organisation with 100 SuSE installs adds to the SuSE column.

Re:%139.5 (1)

Hucko (998827) | more than 6 years ago | (#21449213)

Obviously people are running more than one operating system or distro. I'm surprised it isn't at 300+%. I personally run 2 distros (1 Debian, 1 K Ubuntu). I am a novice though.

Server vs. Desktop (4, Interesting)

Glowing Fish (155236) | more than 6 years ago | (#21448499)

Another interesting result from the LF survey is that in most company and organizations, the Linux desktop is more commonly used than Linux servers. From almost the beginning of Linux's business acceptance it has always been assumed that Linux was, is, and would continue to be more of a force on servers than on desktops. That appears to be changing.

Is it just me, or is this possibly a misleading statement? Does "more commonly used" just mean more numbers? Or does it mean that organizations with Linux desktops aren't running Linux servers? Or just that they have more desktops than servers? Even if it is the first, I still don't think it means too much, because one organization running a gigantic Oracle database on big iron and Linux is going to probably be using Linux more than another organization running Linux and OpenOffice for word processing on 10 or even 50 desktops.

Re:Server vs. Desktop (1)

idiotwithastick (1036612) | more than 6 years ago | (#21449597)

The summary says that the users are self-selected. I get the feeling that people who chose to use Linux as a desktop OS are more likely to vote in such a poll than those who use Linux servers for their work.

Year of the Linux desktop (5, Funny)

cstdenis (1118589) | more than 6 years ago | (#21448517)

It's official, 2008 will be the year of the Linux desktop.

Re:Year of the Linux desktop (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21448625)

Hilarious.

Re:Year of the Linux desktop (1)

turgid (580780) | more than 6 years ago | (#21449503)

Yes, well, every year since 1996 has been the Year of Desktop Linux for me, starting with olvwm on Slackware 2.x. Now I have Window Maker on Slackware 11.0.

Links and respondents (5, Informative)

chrb (1083577) | more than 6 years ago | (#21448521)

Fill in the survey [linux-foundation.org] .

Current results [linux-foundation.org]

The results say the current number of respondents is 10941 (and counting). Where did the figure of 20,000 come from?

Re:Links and respondents (1, Funny)

vtcodger (957785) | more than 6 years ago | (#21448707)

***The results say the current number of respondents is 10941 (and counting). Where did the figure of 20,000 come from?***

Rounding Error?

Probably related to the logic that has 139.5% of the users reporting in already.

In any case, we certainly are not going to blame these little arithmetical peculiarities on Linux. How about we blame Vista, Internet Explorer, the RIAA, George W Bush, and Intel? Don't worry. Ron Paul, Ubuntu, the second amendment and the free market will pull us all through this little computational rough spot.

MOD PARENT UP. Survey found here. Thanks! (1)

KWTm (808824) | more than 6 years ago | (#21449615)

Thank you for providing a link to the survey. The survey was not on the main page; the link there merely led a page that blabbed all about how wonderful it was to have a survey, etc. but didn't point to THE ACTUAL SURVEY. Grrr! (Okay, now that I've said this, someone's going to point out some obvious link to the survey, but I had trouble getting to the survey.)

Re:Links and respondents (1)

slashflood (697891) | more than 6 years ago | (#21449987)

You have to add up all the language specific surveys. The french survey currently has 1500 participants, the brazilian 600 participants and so on.

Re:Links and respondents (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21450033)

For reading text I'm having a hard time. nWTF does the simplest task now require javascript?

"Javascript is required for this site to function, please enable."

Not just that.. (4, Funny)

schon (31600) | more than 6 years ago | (#21450193)

But does anyone else here see the irony of a Linux survey being hosted on an IIS server?

It's still not catching on (-1, Redundant)

jrothwell97 (968062) | more than 6 years ago | (#21448533)

Unless Linux and other UNIXes [crashedpips.co.uk] are seriously simplified for new computer users, their market share will never really rise. Even us nerds have headaches trying to get simple hardware working, and most people I know had never even heard of Linux or any other UNIX variant (apart from, occasionally, Mac OS X) until I brought up the subject in conversation. There needs to be a serious publicity campaign around this issue.

Re:It's still not catching on (2, Insightful)

mmcuh (1088773) | more than 6 years ago | (#21448659)

Unless Linux and other UNIXes are seriously simplified for new computer users, their market share will never really rise. Even us nerds have headaches trying to get simple hardware working, and most people I know had never even heard of Linux or any other UNIX variant (apart from, occasionally, Mac OS X) until I brought up the subject in conversation. There needs to be a serious publicity campaign around this issue.
Why? Does it matter what other people use?

Re:It's still not catching on (2, Interesting)

jrothwell97 (968062) | more than 6 years ago | (#21448723)

  1. Only 20000 Linux users filled out the survey - and, TBH, that would most likely exclude the technophobic average Joes who have Ubuntu installed on their box after a their local technopath installed it, and
  2. I myself think that it's not important what distro anyone's using - what's important is that UNIX still hasn't got a foothold on the desktop market. In fact, it would be wise to educate people that instead of the 'crippled/expensive' balance to strike with Windows, there's bound to be a Linux distro or UNIX variant to suit their needs.

Re:It's still not catching on (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21449113)

why yes, as a matter of fact it does. For linux, at least, since a major part of the users also contribute in some way, by writing code, by helping others get started who write code, by documenting, by testing, etc. etc. So the more ppl use what you use, the better your stuff gets, albeit slower than you might like ;-) Since cross-over between distro's is also less than perfect and has a snail's pace sometimes, there's definitively a difference between distro's.
So if novell loses users, you can expect the linux-netware interoperability to stagnate or deteriorate, regardless of whether you care or not. So I'd say that also matters in the bigger picture. For some of Novell's other projects, there may be a less direct relation, since there are other involvements.
Same for RH and Oracle. If the unbreakable thingy takes off, you can expect Oracle support for RH to deteriorate too.

Re:It's still not catching on (1)

Carbon016 (1129067) | more than 6 years ago | (#21448767)

I recently installed Ubuntu on another computer hoping to use it for IM and internet stuff, the HD was wiped but I wasn't going to sell it as fast I thought so I figured, "why not have another one around the house and mess around with this super-hyped OS?"

Yeah, so it doesn't like my wireless network adapter and all the instructions are based on downloading things from the Internet, among a lot of other things (weird UI, outdated manuals, dozens of command line commands to get the simplest of hardware to work etc) despite there supposedly being support natively. There's a ton of problems with Ubuntu, and I would consider myself seriously in the know about software and hardware.

I figure I'm going to wipe the hard drive AGAIN (not going to bother messing with partitions and the MBR) and stick XP on it, and have ruled out dual-booting on my main rig. It may be slower but I'm not willing to have to go through the crap I have to now any time I want to add hardware. I was more comfortable back in the day with MS-DOS. ..at least I can play Sudoku, though.

Re:It's still not catching on (1)

Locklin (1074657) | more than 6 years ago | (#21448831)

Wow, you had wireless working on MS-DOS??

Seriously, it sounds like you may have a broadcom wireless card - that's a problem that really needs to be fixed somehow. Hopefully you give it (Linux) another chance some time when you have more time. Many of the "command line fixes" are actually easier than tracking down drivers and installing them in XP - once you're familiar with the platform.

Re:It's still not catching on (1)

Culture20 (968837) | more than 6 years ago | (#21449281)

Tell Broadcom that they need to provide specs for their hardware or even binary linux drivers. Or, spend $40 and buy an Intel 3945.

Re:It's still not catching on (1)

PineGreen (446635) | more than 6 years ago | (#21449379)

Well, this just tells you how individual these things are. My wife wanted a basic computer for editing text, printing, browsing, e-mail. I recommended macbook, which everyone loves and I though it would be ideal.
Nothing worked, she absolutely hated it and I was responsible. I had real big trouble getting even printer to work, having to manually compile drivers, which I haven't done on ubuntu for ages, etc. etc. Fast forward one year - we sold macbook, bought a cheap dell and now she is a very happy ubuntu user.
I think I was just unlucky and so were you. (However, I still don't understand my problem as I always though macbooks are all the same so they should work equally bad for everyone... But maybe people are just massively hypnotised...)

Re:It's still not catching on (4, Interesting)

Belial6 (794905) | more than 6 years ago | (#21449075)

I'm not sure you get to call yourself a nerd. I'm thinking that you are just so isolated that in comparison to the few other people you've met, you seem like the one that understands computers. The reason I say this, is that at least half of the people I run into know what Linux is, and most of the other half don't know the difference between Word and Windows, so they wouldn't know what it is, even if it was down right common in the home. That, and the "apart from, occasionally, Mac OS X" line. Really, you have to be pretty far removed from society to not know about Mac.

My experiences have been exactly the opposite of yours. I considered 2007 the year of Linux when my wife was hosting a play date for stay at home Moms and their children, I came out of my office for some coffee, and there are 4 stay at home housewives discussing who is running Linux, who is running Windows, and if it was a good idea for the ones running Windows to switch to Linux. That was the defining moment for me to say that Linux is officially mainstream.

As for headaches trying to get simple hardware working, I can only relate the story that I have told many times before... My son did his first, unassisted install of Ubuntu just prior to his second birthday. The only thing I gave him was the CD, a computer, and made sure the hard drive was formatted before he started. As, always, I will accept that he is a genetic mutant that makes his intellect vastly superior to normal humans, if you insist on it, but even if he was as smart as a 6 year old when he was only 1, that still means that Linux is extremely easy to install and use. Of course if it turns out that I am an overly optimistic dad with a child that is only average, then we need to consider whether we can safely have those that are unable to install Ubuntu, out in public without a handler.

Re:It's still not catching on (1)

agendi (684385) | more than 6 years ago | (#21449651)

I had a similar experience to this when I was at a birthday party for friend which was heavily attended by theatre people. I was surprised when one of the actors started talking about how happy they are now that they have moved over to linux, only to find out that at least one other person (in a group of 7) chimed in with "me too". So that was 2 running linux (ubuntu), 2 running XP, 2 running Vista and one person running a Mac. Both Vista users were complaining about how it came with their computer and that they were considering paying someone to put XP back on.

percent? 54.1 + 50.2 + 35.2 (-1, Redundant)

lems1 (163074) | more than 6 years ago | (#21448563)

54.1 + 50.2 + 35.2 = 100 ?

Talk about /. math! First it was the dups and now this?

Of course, I have NOT RTFA... This is /. after all...

Re:percent? 54.1 + 50.2 + 35.2 (1)

bouchecl (1001775) | more than 6 years ago | (#21448627)

54.1 + 50.2 + 35.2 = 100 ?
[...] Of course, I have NOT RTFA... This is /. after all...
I filled the survey and I selected the Fedora AND Ubuntu checkboxes. So I'm counted twice (in the Debian and RedHat groups).

Re:percent? 54.1 + 50.2 + 35.2 (2, Funny)

malraid (592373) | more than 6 years ago | (#21448665)

This time twice as many people filled the survey, so instead of 100% like last time, this one goes up to 200%!!!

Third with > 33.333% ?? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21448633)

Being third while having more than 1/3 of the votes...

Is that like becoming president with less than halve of the votes?

I guess not, one of these things is against the laws.

Novell downturn? (5, Insightful)

brejc8 (223089) | more than 6 years ago | (#21448725)

I keep reading how this MS/Novell agreement is gaining customers but here I can see that:
in 2005 Novell/SUSE got 28%
in 2006 Novell/SUSE got 16%
in 2007 Novell/SUSE got 11.7%

Re:Novell downturn? (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21448913)

They are gaining customers but the other distros (especially Ubuntu) are gaining more customers faster.

Re:Novell downturn? (1)

Daimanta (1140543) | more than 6 years ago | (#21450041)

Yes, that's possible but the importance of SUSE is declining. Not some I would like to report to my boss.

Re:Novell downturn? (1)

cp.tar (871488) | more than 6 years ago | (#21448981)

Well, that just means Linux is growing so fast that although Novell keeps gaining new customers, several other distros are growing even faster than that.

Re:Novell downturn? (1)

Ed Avis (5917) | more than 6 years ago | (#21449869)

The survey covers how many people are running a particular distribution and replied to the survey, not how many are running a particular distribution, and certainly not how many paid money for it. Novell and other companies are mostly interested in the third number, a bit in the second, and not in the first.

Customers are not people who downloaded a Linux distro gratis. They are people who have paid money for it.

Re:Novell downturn? (1)

muszek (882567) | more than 6 years ago | (#21450275)

Yeah, and there's definitely no correlation between SuSe losing market share according to the same freaking survey as one year ago and sun losing real market share.

Problem (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21448935)

If you fill out the survey, it asks you about anti-virus, and specifically porting bigname AVs to linux.

A few questions I pose:
1) Why do we want the bloaty, slow, pieces of crap that are windows AVs ported to linux?

2) Why do we want to port these, encouraging turning a blind eye to security and letting the AV do the work(such as it is on windows)?
3) Why not just improve support on say, ClamAV?

What did desktop linux users miss most? (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21449033)

> Not surprisingly, the Ubuntu family of Linuxes is the most popular among organizations, at 54.1 percent.
> This was followed by the Red Hat family -- RHEL (Red Hat Enterprise Linux/Fedora/CentOS) -- with 50.2 percent.
> The Novell SUSE group -- SLED (SUSE Linux Enterprise Desktop) and openSUSE -- came in third, with 35.2 percent."

Q: What did desktop linux users miss most?
A: A reliable calculator!

Re:What did desktop linux users miss most? (1)

MikeUW (999162) | more than 6 years ago | (#21449451)

What's so unreliable about kcalc or gcalctool?

Re:What did desktop linux users miss most? (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21449619)

'The OP's joke will now be passing over MikeUW's head at 40,000 feet. Stewardesses: please jettison the toilets.' * WOOOOOOSSSSSH *

Re:What did desktop linux users miss most? (1)

MikeUW (999162) | more than 6 years ago | (#21449727)

Sorry...I guess I haven't earned enough airmiles yet.

Re:What did desktop linux users miss most? (1)

BlueParrot (965239) | more than 6 years ago | (#21450015)

Sorry...I guess I haven't earned enough airmiles yet.
Because peopel were allowed to select multiple distributions teh percentages don't add up to 100%. I'm guessing that is what the joke was about.

What's with linuxfoundation.org? (2, Informative)

_Hellfire_ (170113) | more than 6 years ago | (#21449649)

linuxfoundation.org appears to be a domain squatter site.

Whois shows:
Last Updated On:26-Oct-2007 19:57:38 UTC

Which is not the same day and month as the creation date, so I'm suspecting either someone has taken this domain over or it wasn't legit in the first place (I don't know as I don't think I've ever been there). Maybe check our links before we post them to the front page on ./? Hits on these types of sites just encourage domain squatting.

This survey is biased... (3, Insightful)

dermoth666 (1019892) | more than 6 years ago | (#21449749)

I just took this survey earlier today, and after looking at the results it is obvious that it is totally biased.

I'm writing from my phone so I won't go in-depth, but two things that bug me the most:

1: It looks like many home users took the survey, but are being categorized as SOHO's

2: At first it looks like the survey adress both desktop and server usage, but then the questions begin assuming repondent are using Linux on the desktop workstations. This isn't the case in my company, but he results to these questions are being used to show Linux desktop penetration.

I also responded to some questions thinking "servers only" but it end up being both servers and workstation. In an organisation with more employees than servers, all running Windows, this obviously change the result!

I'm not a Linux detractor, quite the opposite, but I'm being honest here. When you do surveys, please ask the right questions and make sure anyone responding to the survey won't bias it if the're not the targetted audience. To me this survey says almost nothing...
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