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How to Turn Your PC into a Mac

CmdrTaco posted more than 6 years ago | from the yeah-that'll-fool-ya dept.

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An anonymous reader writes "CNet is running a Mac fanboy's idea of a nightmare feature entitled 'Mock OS X: Five ways to make your PC more like a Mac'. While the idea of turning my PC into a Mac-like machine does get my juices flowing, I'm not sure the user experience would be exactly the same but I'm going to spend this afternoon trying it out anyway. "To borrow a metaphor from Spartacus, some people like oysters and some people like snails. Except what if there was a way to make your snail do some of the cool things oysters can do, like make pearls? And what if you could make your PC do some of the cool stuff that Macs do so well?"" Seems to me that this would be a lot easier if step one was install linux...

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DIY? (5, Funny)

telchine (719345) | more than 6 years ago | (#21478141)

I haven't RTFA, but by any chance does this involve giving the retailer twice what it's worth for the system and then using a screwdriver to prise off a mouse button or two?

Re:DIY? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21478185)

:D You're in trouble now.

Re:DIY? (1, Insightful)

mynsa (1144971) | more than 6 years ago | (#21478241)

Why not just buy a mac? seems the easiest option to me

Re:DIY? (2, Insightful)

PopeRatzo (965947) | more than 6 years ago | (#21478519)

Why not just buy a mac? seems the easiest option to me
Not if you've only got $900 to spend.

Re:DIY? (2, Informative)

toQDuj (806112) | more than 6 years ago | (#21478555)

If you've only got 900 dollars to spend, perhaps you shouldn't be focusing on getting a new pc... Especially since you won't get more than 500 euro's worth of pc ;).

Re:DIY? (1, Funny)

hal2814 (725639) | more than 6 years ago | (#21478249)

You'd also need to uninstall about 3/4 of your games and pay double for the ones you still have left.

Re:DIY? (0, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21478317)

Parent is not a troll. The truth hurts, eh fanboys?

Re:DIY? (0, Flamebait)

toQDuj (806112) | more than 6 years ago | (#21478525)

Oh, yes. The pain. The pain. ... I'm sorry, but I'm not experiencing any discomfort at all. Maybe in your smugness, you fail to see that there is no problem.

Re:DIY? (2, Insightful)

sm62704 (957197) | more than 6 years ago | (#21478395)

I'd have modded this comment "funny" (as it was obviously intended) rather than "troll". OTOH I'd have modded the summmary "flamebait" for it suse of the phrase "Apple Fanboy". Actually the whole summary was rather trollish; if the summary was a comment and I was modding I'd mad it "Troll".

I'm not an Apple user; I run XP and Mandriva dual-boot and don't even have an iPod, but that summary was a troll. And the word "fanboy" is flamebait whether you're commenting on Apple, Microsoft, Linux, Be, Sun, or any other OS, company, or organization.

Is a bit of civility in the article summary too much to ask? I wish "drinking from the the firehose" was more like modding than a simple "yes/no".

Taco usually does a better job of editing than this (running jokes aside) but hay, it's Monday after a 4 day weekend. I'll cut him some slack.

-mcgrew [kuro5hin.org]

Re:DIY? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21478639)

you're either a troll, or you're appallingly stupid. mac hardware's more expensive than your average, bottom-of-the-barrel pc, but i've spec'ed out pcs with the same exact hardware as a mac, and the price is virtually identical. anybody who's ever used a mac knows that they've had contextual menus and have flawlessly worked with two-button mice for over a decade.

Hmm (0, Troll)

El Lobo (994537) | more than 6 years ago | (#21478175)

One man's wet dream is other man's nightmare.

Easy, moderators (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21478693)

I understand that moderation in /. must be neutral... Parent has a point, there is no need to moderate it flamebait or troll just because you like Macs. There are a LOT of us who don't, and our opinion is just as valid as yours.

WTF (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21478197)

Next time I see tripe like this on the firehose I'm going to throw a negative on it, instead of just ignoring it. Get stardock and window blinds? I mean seriously ...

Re:WTF (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21478733)

It's a good suggestion. A big part of the Mac experience is just the appearance of the UI. Even bringing just a subset of that to a Windows system makes a world of difference. You don't get the full-blown integration that a Mac offers, but you do get a more usable UI on Windows.

Apple 'wow' factor (1, Insightful)

0100010001010011 (652467) | more than 6 years ago | (#21478201)

DeskSpace has a much flashier spinning-cube effect for the Apple 'wow' factor, as you can see from the manufacturer's screenshot above.

The thing that I like about most Apple 'wow' factors is they're non-intrusive. Flipping between screens I don't want a 1 second visualization. I do it constantly and it'd get annoying and in my way. When I switch users. I don't mind that extra second because I do it once and it's nice to show that I'm actually switching users.

A better idea... (4, Interesting)

jamar0303 (896820) | more than 6 years ago | (#21478225)

Or, instead of just replicating the look, you can put some real work into it and get the real thing- OSx86. Of course, apparently it's illegal in some countries- at least it's not in mine.

Re:A better idea... (1)

ByOhTek (1181381) | more than 6 years ago | (#21478465)

I was gonna post that.

Anyway, Yeah: If you want to use MacOS, at $129, it not much more than the cheaper OEM windows, and it's certainly better than the non-OEM, or higher-end OEM Windows. Add in the effort to run it on non-mac hardware, and some time+effort, and you have yourself MacOS.

Re:A better idea... (5, Funny)

sm62704 (957197) | more than 6 years ago | (#21478487)

Of course, apparently it's illegal in some countries- at least it's not in mine.

Drugs, gambling, and prostitution are are illegal in mine, but that never stopped me from smoking pot, making bets, or getting laid. [slashdot.org] In fact, my favorite hooker lost a bet and now owes me a joint and a blowjob.

If my politicians weren't for sale to the highest bidder I'd have a bit of respect for the law. If the government wants my respect they're going to have to be a bit more respectable. If the USA ever stops being a plutocracy I'll obey the law.

-mcgrew

Snails and oysters... not a moral choice (4, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21478229)

Crassius: Do you eat oysters?
Antoninus: Yes.
C: Snails?
A: No.
C: Do you consider the eating of oysters to be moral and the eating of snails to be immoral?
A: No, master.
C: Of course not. Its all a matter of taste, isnt it?
A: Yes, master.
C: And taste is not the same as appetite and therefore not a question of morals, is it?
A: It could be argured so, master.
C: Um, thatll do. My robe, Antoninus. Ah, my taste includes both oysters and snails.

Or how sexual preferences can become a topic in a Mac / PC comparison...

Re:Snails and oysters... not a moral choice (5, Funny)

Hal_Porter (817932) | more than 6 years ago | (#21478287)

Or how sexual preferences can become a topic in a Mac / PC comparison...
Actually it comes up pretty frequently.

Way #6 (2, Insightful)

morgan_greywolf (835522) | more than 6 years ago | (#21478237)

Way #6: Install Ubuntu Gutsy Gibbon. It includes most of this stuff right out of the box and the rest can be added right from Synaptic.

It seems like all this does... (1)

icebrain (944107) | more than 6 years ago | (#21478239)

...is add some flashy stuff without much functionality. Mac-skins? Little gadget-things that eat extra memory just to display the time? No thanks, I'll just install linux*. Not that I want to look like a mac, mind you, as I can't stand the interface; I just want the extra security and all.

*If I can ever get my hard drive compacted to one end so I can partition it.

Re:It seems like all this does... (2, Informative)

riffzifnab (449869) | more than 6 years ago | (#21478293)

Just get a second drive if you want to play with linux. Back in the day I used to play around with drive resizing and there is a high probability it will end in tears (but then what doesn't?). Besides, another hd = more space for your (totally legal) music, etc.

Re:It seems like all this does... (1)

icebrain (944107) | more than 6 years ago | (#21478375)

Just get a second drive if you want to play with linux.
I would, but I have no money... and it's a laptop; kinda hard to put in a second HD. I suppose I could try it on my desktop, but that's getting old and starting to wear out. I don't want to sink any more money into it, and can't presently afford to build a new one.

Re:It seems like all this does... (1)

Gr8Apes (679165) | more than 6 years ago | (#21478501)

well then, there's the perfect Linux box - old desktop.

As for partitioning HD space, I've had a lot of luck with Partition Magic, but running an older version that isn't Windows based before Norton bought it. It can still be run in a non-windows mode from PM 8, I believe. I've had bad luck trying it with other live re-partitioning applications.

Re:It seems like all this does... (1)

stokessd (89903) | more than 6 years ago | (#21478569)

In my experience with the product, It's "Magic" if there's "Partitions" left when it's done...

But that was with version 6.0, maybe it actually works now.

Sheldon

Re:It seems like all this does... (1)

cthulu_mt (1124113) | more than 6 years ago | (#21478541)

Try Fiesty Fawn running Xcfe. It runs very well on the 6 year old beat up Dell tomorrow I play around with.

Re:It seems like all this does... (1)

ozmanjusri (601766) | more than 6 years ago | (#21478661)

*If I can ever get my hard drive compacted to one end so I can partition it

Try AusLogics Disk Defrag [auslogics.com]

Some Slashdotter pointed it out to me a few weeks ago, and I'm grateful - it's the best defragger I've found for NTFS, and it's free.

It's a good thing for Slashdot that we can add some value in the comments, 'cause there's bugger-all in dumb fluff like TFA.

This would be a good thing for Apple (2, Interesting)

rolfwind (528248) | more than 6 years ago | (#21478247)

It's always been resistant toward going to the middle-low and low-end market in terms of price. In the 90s, they experimented with licensing out their software and letting generic makers market hardware bundled with it -- but it cannabalized their own sales.

I wonder if they could make it work differently today -- if they stipulate that the manufacturers couldn't make any hardware over $500 or so. Just to catch the low-end market for marketshare but not having the support headaches and losses that cheap manufacturers often bring.

Even in the PC market there are higher-end manufacturers (Lenovo/IBM laptops) so why not apple? With the price ceiling in the contract, I can't imagine the other manufacturers will put out a pretty package that will compete with Apple directly but one for budget conscious consumers that Apple could never have hoped to catch anyway.

Re:This would be a good thing for Apple (1)

dbrutus (71639) | more than 6 years ago | (#21478393)

I don't believe it's legal, at least in the US, to segment markets this way. IANAL

Re:This would be a good thing for Apple (1)

SargentDU (1161355) | more than 6 years ago | (#21478445)

I think it would not work because it would still undercut their sales of the higher priced Macs, the lower cost systems would fly off the shelft leaving Apple's own sitting there. Especially if businesses could buy 4 workstations for the price of one true Mac.

Re:This would be a good thing for Apple (1)

stokessd (89903) | more than 6 years ago | (#21478607)

Apple is a Hardware company, they just make and sell software to support the sales of the hardware. There is NOTHING to be gained (based on the Apple business model) by selling bargain basement hardware or the software alone, and a lot to be lost. Apparently the Apple business model is working well as they are raking in big buckets of cash.

Sheldon

What about the other way around? (5, Interesting)

garcia (6573) | more than 6 years ago | (#21478253)

My father just bought my mother a 17" Macbook because he couldn't find a laptop he wanted to buy for her that didn't require you to buy Vista and then downgrade to XP later.

My mother despises MacOS and can't "figure anything out." Now while I don't care for MacOS myself I tried to explain some things over the phone to her so that she would at least be able to use it for the time being until my well-meaning father can figure out what to do to fix things for her. She pretty much was being unreasonable about the whole thing and said over and over, "I'm 57 years old, I don't want to learn something else."

My question for all of you is how, when I'm there at Christmas, do I make MacOS X more like Windows so that she's more comfortable with using the OS?

Re:What about the other way around? (1)

Jeff DeMaagd (2015) | more than 6 years ago | (#21478289)

That's silly, Vista includes downgrade rights, doesn't it?

Now you've paid for a pretty computer but you'll now have to do a lot of unnecessary work to modify or replace the OS. I'd suggest installing Windows XP and be done with it.

Re:What about the other way around? (1)

iotaborg (167569) | more than 6 years ago | (#21478655)

Yes because computers shipped with Vista come with an XP cd, right? Hell, many don't even come with a Vista DVD.

Re:What about the other way around? (1)

slart42 (694765) | more than 6 years ago | (#21478305)

Well, car analogies about yugo engines in mercedes' aside, if she insists, why not just install windows?

Re:What about the other way around? (3, Informative)

Thornburg (264444) | more than 6 years ago | (#21478311)

Umm, use Boot Camp to install Windows XP? It even lets you dual-boot, you don't have to trash the Mac OS to do it.

Re:What about the other way around? (2, Funny)

isa-kuruption (317695) | more than 6 years ago | (#21478315)

Yes,

Start by adding a cronjob that crashes the machine every 2.5 hours.
Second thing to do is to install some spyware.
Finally, you want to buy her a more-than-one-button mouse.

Good luck!

Re:What about the other way around? (1)

Threni (635302) | more than 6 years ago | (#21478485)

You forgot to add `give her a few hundred pounds(dollars, whatever) back.`

Re:What about the other way around? (3, Funny)

rolfc (842110) | more than 6 years ago | (#21478319)

I think you should find another mother! That way you would be more comfortable.

Re:What about the other way around? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21478325)

how, when I'm there at Christmas, do I make MacOS X more like Windows so that she's more comfortable with using the OS?

Make sure it doeasn't take 20 minutes to copy a 17 Mb file.

Re:What about the other way around? (5, Insightful)

TobyRush (957946) | more than 6 years ago | (#21478363)

My question for all of you is how, when I'm there at Christmas, do I make MacOS X more like Windows so that she's more comfortable with using the OS?

Install BootCamp with Windows XP.

However, if you're looking to keep her on MacOS because of the security or something else, then you'll need to figure out what specifically she's missing from Windows. Often, with casual users, it's just interface stuff that throws them for a loop, and that can be pretty easy to solve. Does she miss contextual menus (i.e., right-clicking in Windows?)? Get her a two-button mouse or show her the multi-touch trackpad capabilities (like two-fingered click = right-click). Does she miss the Start menu? Set up a folder in the dock with her favorite stuff.

Of course it may be that she just doesn't like using computers, and is using the MacOS/Windows thing as an excuse to avoid them...

Re:What about the other way around? (4, Funny)

Serious Callers Only (1022605) | more than 6 years ago | (#21478413)

If you want a Vista experience [youtube.com] this applescript should do it - set it as a folder action on her Documents folder :


on adding folder items to thisFolder after receiving addedItems
      repeat with anItem in addedItems
          tell application "Finder"
        display dialog "Are you sure you want to proceed?" buttons ["Allow", "Deny"] default button (random number (1)) + 1
          end tell
      end repeat
end adding folder items to

Re:What about the other way around? (1)

crazybilly (947714) | more than 6 years ago | (#21478437)

Why would you want to do this?!!! You're crazy!!! You just bought the Rolls-Royce of computers and now you're rubbing dirty slime all over it!!! [Insert more derogatory, personal comments here] (Sorry, I didn't see any comments typical of the crap I hear from Mac fanbois, and felt like something was missing. Oh wait, I forgot one...) Just give your mother some time. OSX is the most intuitive OS ever. She'll figure it out and when she does, she'll love it and never go back. (never mind the 6 months to a year where you get a phone call every other day on 'how to use this dumb thing' and gradual lack of interest your mother shows in using her computer b/c it's such a frustrating experience overall).

Re:What about the other way around? (1)

tacroy (813477) | more than 6 years ago | (#21478479)

Install an old copy of windows and use bootcamp to make the mac a windows box?

Re:What about the other way around? (1)

toQDuj (806112) | more than 6 years ago | (#21478591)

There is no solution. If people emotionally dislike a certain thing, there's very little one can do to turn that feeling around. It's a shame really, the 17" macbook (pro) is a nice machine, if it's anything like my 4.5 year old powerbook G4. Very reliable and sturdy. Although by now, it has developed a slight squeak :).

B.

Re:What about the other way around? (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21478631)

Well you could install a bunch of spyware ...

Is it running Leopard? I find if you put the folders (especially the application folder) in the dock, you can click on it and it'll show everything in side of it. At that point its basically a "start menu". Click on the little icon and then click on the program you want to run. The dock is basically the taskbar. MacOS really isn't that hard.

However, if your Mom really wants XP you can actually format the machine with a standard MBR partition table and install Windows XP to the whole machine (note you wouldn't be able to do firmware updates at that point). Of course you mom would be dead to me and the rest of the Mac world for such an unforgivable offense but I'm sure you and her can live with that :).

On the other hand, I'm the only Mac-user in my extended family and I told my grandmother not to get a Mac (so others could do the pointless Windows tech support). They know I don't fix Windows machines anymore. They can bug my dad or an uncle for that.

Re:What about the other way around? (1, Funny)

Gothmolly (148874) | more than 6 years ago | (#21478643)

So what you're saying is that OSX isn't compatible with menopausal bitches?

Re:What about the other way around? (1)

waa (159514) | more than 6 years ago | (#21478665)

My question for all of you is how, when I'm there at Christmas, do I make MacOS X more like Windows so that she's more comfortable with using the OS?

Print this out on a color printer and tape it to her screen:
Windows Emulator for MAC OSX [weblogs.com]

Re:What about the other way around? (5, Interesting)

krunk7 (748055) | more than 6 years ago | (#21478717)

She pretty much was being unreasonable about the whole thing and said over and over, "I'm 57 years old, I don't want to learn something else."

I had to put up with tons of phone calls to support windows, clean of viruses, etc. my mother and father's windows computers. One of my main tasks when I came home to visit was "Look at the computer for a while", which means try and make it run like new.

I bought them a Mac about 2 years ago. At first, I got the same response. Endless whining about not wanting to learn something new. I simply told them that I was their computer "advisor and repairman", this was a lower maintenance, lower risk machine and if they chose to go back to windows they'd be on their own from here on out. Stick with mac and I'll be their free tech support bitch again.

Took a month or so, but now they'd never use windows again. In 2.5 years, I've received 4 phone calls. Two of them were a broke cable modem. The cable company kept telling her "it was a mac thing", but a surge had killed the modem. After insisting they replace the modem, everything worked. One of the calls was to ask me how to get from Hotmail to Gmail + Apple Mail.app. The third was to ask how to connect the internet, which used to be quite the support call with windows. Yes, I can do it quickly but trying to get a 55 year old woman who learned computers relatively recently to "Go to start, Right click Network Icon, blah blah" proved quite the trial often involving a couple of reboots and head scratching on why the hell it wouldn't come up. With her new Mac my only support advise was "Plug in the wire that looks like a huge phone plug on the end into the only place it'll go on the back of the computer".

My only point being, she comes to you for advice because she knows no better. If she's going to be stubborn, then return in kind. Just tell her you'll never help with computer issues again if she doesn't put minimal effort into learning her new one (I mean really, 99% of the effort is learning two new icons: Safari & Mail). Little does she know you won't really be doing any tech support whether she stays with mac or not. ;)

Ahh, but a simpler step one (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21478267)

Seems to me that this would be a lot easier if step one was install linux...

It would be simpler to install what MacOSX is based on - FreeBSD or Darwin.

#6 - duct tape the right mouse button (-1, Troll)

ThreeGigs (239452) | more than 6 years ago | (#21478275)

Don't forget to remove functionality to make your PC more like a Mac, like that 'other' mouse button.

Re:#6 - duct tape the right mouse button (5, Informative)

mattgoldey (753976) | more than 6 years ago | (#21478383)

Some jokes never get old. This isn't one of them.

Every Mac desktop now comes standard with a Mighty Mouse. It has two regular mouse buttons, plus the ability to squeeze the sides of the mouse for a 3rd button. It also has a mini trackball on top that allows the user to scroll in two directions and click it for a 4th button. Every button on the Mighty Mouse is fully configurable within Mac OS X.

In addition, even before multi-button mice were standard issue, it's not as if they were ever really needed in Mac OS. Right-clicking is just not all that common. Mac OS is just not designed around the right-click the way Windows is.

Even further... if you didn't want a Mighty Mouse, or if you have a Mac that didn't come with one, any standard USB mouse will work on a Mac, so you can have as many buttons and wheels as you want.

Re:#6 - duct tape the right mouse button (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21478493)

quite ironic considering your signature

Re:#6 - duct tape the right mouse button (1, Flamebait)

0xdeadbeef (28836) | more than 6 years ago | (#21478545)

The selective delusion of you people continues to astound me. The laptops do not come with a second button. The "right-click" functionality is replaced by a "hold down a meta key and click" functionality. Hell, I just now figured out how to empty the trash by holding down the mouse button for X number of seconds. Oh, that was intuitive. That action doesn't do squat for folders or other objects.

Re:#6 - duct tape the right mouse button (0, Troll)

mattgoldey (753976) | more than 6 years ago | (#21478633)

The click-and-hold has been a staple of Mac OS for a very long time. Don't blame your ignorance on Apple, blame it on your Windows brainwashing.

Re:#6 - duct tape the right mouse button (2, Insightful)

0xdeadbeef (28836) | more than 6 years ago | (#21478739)

Oh, great and wise Apple guru, what other objects does that action work on? Because so far, I've only found it on the Dock.

And how is my mother supposed to learn this? Right-click is non-destructive (unlike several meta-click combinations on the Mac) and it takes seconds to discover.

Re:#6 - duct tape the right mouse button (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21478677)

To right click, just tap two fingers on the touchpad. It's not that hard.

Holding down the mouse button does in fact do squat for all the icons in the dock, not only the trashbin.

Re:#6 - duct tape the right mouse button (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21478745)

You can configure touchpad to recognize 2-finger tap as "right click" (btw, you can scroll with two fingers anywhere on touchpad, very useful).

Also if you have one-button mouse (or touchpad for that matter) - "right-click" can be done by Command-Clicking it.

That's silly (3, Informative)

sm62704 (957197) | more than 6 years ago | (#21478277)

I didn't RTFA (I must not be new here) but people don't choose Macs because of any of the Apple's features. People choose Macs for stability and freedom from viruses and other shitware (the reasons we wipe Windows and install Linux) and because some high end graphics programs either aren't ported to Windows or are ported badly.

The best way to make your Windows more "like a Mac" is to install Linux for its stability and freedom from shitware. That said, if I ever buy another whole computer (which I haven't done since 1987, I just upgrade parts as needed) It will be a Mac.

I'm amused by the car commercial where they're touting its bluetooth, "powered by Microsoft". No way in hell I'd buy one, just because it's "(under)powered by Microsoft." ! I've been using Microsoft's OSes and programs for a quarter of a century, and they used to be the best quality out there. The quality has been declining for all that time, IMO right now Microsoft's OSes and programs are by far the very worst either on or off the market.

-mcgrew

Re:That's silly (2, Insightful)

juiceCake (772608) | more than 6 years ago | (#21478455)

People choose Macs for stability and freedom from viruses and other shitware (the reasons we wipe Windows and install Linux) and because some high end graphics programs either aren't ported to Windows or are ported badly./

Of course many of us run Windows free of viruses, malware, and shitware, and with high end graphics program that are ported to Windows, and ported well. We edit video, create books, posters, illustrations, animations, etc. We also realize it's no longer the early 90s.

Re:That's silly (-1, Redundant)

neoform (551705) | more than 6 years ago | (#21478469)

if I ever buy another whole computer (which I haven't done since 1987, I just upgrade parts as needed)

Sorry if I'm skeptical, but I don't see that as being a realistic possibility. If it is true, you must have some sort of Frankenstein machine.

Re:That's silly (1)

Rude Turnip (49495) | more than 6 years ago | (#21478713)

The only computer part from 1987 that I know would work in a modern computer is the power cord, since the connector to the power supply is still the same.

Re:That's silly (1)

Khuffie (818093) | more than 6 years ago | (#21478481)

People choose Macs for stability and freedom from viruses and other shitware

Really? I think you meant people switch to Macs for the illusion of stability and freedom from viruses. I've had XP running for 5 years with only AVG and it's firewall, and I've had no problem. The more people switch to Macs, the more they will be targetted by malware authors and that illusion of security will fade. To summarize: the problem with security, while helped by an insecure OS, is almost always due to oblivious users. That's the weakest link in the security chain, no matter where you go.

Re:That's silly (1)

elrous0 (869638) | more than 6 years ago | (#21478495)

Linux also give you the ability to commiserate with Apple users in wondering when the app you want to use is finally going to get ported.

Don't get me wrong, I love the IDEA of Linux and Mac OS. But, the times I've tried it, the actual PRACTICE was a nightmare. It only made me aware, for the first time, of just how many of my favorite applications are Windows-only.

Re:That's silly (1)

shis-ka-bob (595298) | more than 6 years ago | (#21478513)

My first image was of children playing in a cardboard box. They have cut out a hole for their heads and painted a race car on the side. Now they have a race car! It too is un(der)powered, but not in their imaginations. The author puts lipstick on a pig and says its now more attractive. Of course, what we call imagination in children we call fiction when it comes from writers.

UI Enhancements (2, Informative)

CFBMoo1 (157453) | more than 6 years ago | (#21478307)

UI enhancements like this scare me. There were a couple of computers that came in to the shop when i worked for a college campus RESNET that flat out refused to work with Cisco's network access software. Apparently the UI enchancement replaced a key OS DLL file that the Cisco stuff needed and wasn't compatable with the Cisco stuff. In order for that person to use their computer on our network we had to uninstall their UI software. Be careful what you purchase for UI enhancements.

Pardon my ignorance but (1)

sm62704 (957197) | more than 6 years ago | (#21478567)

WTF is a RESNET and what does that funny looking acronym stand for? Not everybody at /. is a college kid. It't been almost 30 years since I graduated.

-mcgrew

Where's Hackintosh? (1)

r_jensen11 (598210) | more than 6 years ago | (#21478313)

Legality is an issue in many places, but FTS didn't mention Hackintosh or OSx86

Re:Where's Hackintosh? (1)

jamar0303 (896820) | more than 6 years ago | (#21478457)

Yep- I did just that and I'm a happy camper. A Macbook just won't work for what I do- I have to use a Panasonic Toughbook. I hate Windows, and had a history with Mac (an old Powerbook that I managed to do $1000 of damage to in everyday use) so I went with OSx86. Wireless doesn't work, sure, but I've always plugged into Ethernet anyway- it's speedier and when I'm out and about I have a cell-modem that does work. Also, Tiger seems to do far better with a 1.2GHz Core Solo and 512MB RAM than XP does.

Fiberglass lotus body (4, Funny)

WindBourne (631190) | more than 6 years ago | (#21478329)

Does anybody remember those fake plastic/fiberglass car bodies that you could put on top of various chassis? IIRC, there was a ferrari body for a VW frame. This reminds me of exactly that. It has a similar look, but where it counts, it is still a disaster.

Re:Fiberglass lotus body (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21478583)

Hmmm, a car analogy that's apt? Something's not quite right...

Wrong again (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21478647)

Apt is in k?ubuntu, not windows (well, not yet).

Oposite (1)

avalean (1176333) | more than 6 years ago | (#21478333)

These ideas have been around for a while, yet no or few mods are around to emulate that Windows feel Wonder why :)

"one issue divides the world more than any other" (2)

slick_shoes (881437) | more than 6 years ago | (#21478337)

Hurm...slightly ridiculous hyperbole given Apple's pathetic market share.

Re:"one issue divides the world more than any othe (1)

krunk7 (748055) | more than 6 years ago | (#21478449)

Hurm...slightly ridiculous hyperbole given Apple's pathetic market share.

Not really. The true technological ground breakers in any industry often don't have near the market share of the lower end brands. BMW, Ferrari, Mercedes. Of course, we could look at Apple Inc. as an OEM rather then an OS vendor and in that case they're the 3rd largest in the world.

misses the point (5, Insightful)

xirtam_work (560625) | more than 6 years ago | (#21478351)

What makes Mac OS X special is not the glitz and glamour on the surface, it's what's underneath. The Cocoa framework for Objective C is head and shoulders above the MFC/Win32 programming approach. it's built on BSD and Mach and is now officially a Unix certified OS. It's built in a logical and elegant way. You can run Linux/Unix apps on it. X11 is included, although an optional install. OpenGl and Aqua make it beautiful to look at. There are literally hundreds of reasons why I prefer it, but won't go into them here.

Simply skinning XP with an' aqua' style skin and adding a dock does not make it anything like OS X. Any more than putting a Ferrari shell on top of a ford doesn't make it a Ferrari.

Re:misses the point (1)

mattgreen (701203) | more than 6 years ago | (#21478509)

What makes Mac OS X special is not the glitz and glamour on the surface, it's what's underneath. The Cocoa framework for Objective C is head and shoulders above the MFC/Win32 programming approach. it's built on BSD and Mach and is now officially a Unix certified OS.
Wow, after all this time, I never realized that my Aunt Jemima preferred Macs because of their elegant architecture and Unix underpinnings! I shall now defer to her superior taste in matters of operating systems AND choice of maple syrup!

Why? (3, Insightful)

DrXym (126579) | more than 6 years ago | (#21478401)

There is nothing wrong with either XP's or Vista's look and feel. Why the hell would you want to make it look like OS X? It seems that if you absolutely love the look of OS X that the best way of obtaining it is to buy a Mac.

Wow, Windows can do it for $$$s (1)

IBBoard (1128019) | more than 6 years ago | (#21478411)

Or Linux can do it for free.

gDesklets (for the old school method) or others to put in a docker, Slight Mac top-bar look with Gnome defaults, loads of various OS X cloned themes for Metacity ("Tish" comes to mind, but there are pinstripe, graphite and all other styles), Compiz to give you the 'wow' of desktop cubes (which you can crank up to 32x32 if you want) and fancy hidable widget layers etc. You can even move the buttons to the other side of the title bar quite easily.

And then after a month or so you decide it's just stupid to make it look like a Mac when it isn't a Mac and go for something more normal.

Lazyweb, do the reverse (-1, Flamebait)

0xdeadbeef (28836) | more than 6 years ago | (#21478425)

Remove the Gay-Bar® (aka Dock) and put the trashcan back on the desktop
Find a Finder replacement more like Explorer
Put the minimize button on the side side as the scroll bar (and make it larger)
Make the scroll bar not look like a smear of toothpaste with aliasing artifacts
Provide a calculator and calendar that stays on top, but does not steal focus or gray every other application, nor disappear the moment I click something else
and blunt weapon with the address of whomever designed the Dashboard behavior

Since I'm asking for the sky...
Add a second mouse button to the laptops
Fix the headphone jack to work with standard headphones
Fix the backlight bleeding around the edges of the LCD
Fix the horrible viewing angles of the LCD
Accept the return of new laptops that come with dead pixels

Lipstick on a Pig (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21478439)

Nuff said.

Or you could just use OSx86... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21478443)

You could just use Apple's OSX on your x86 hardware directly. There are loads of tutorials online:

Leopard on SS3-enabled processor [osx86scene.com]
Leopard on SS2-enabled processors [insanelymac.com]

If neither of those work, then Google "jas 10.4.8 sse2 sse3" for the version that works on most people's systems. It's pretty easy stuff and both of the forums about have ample amounts of do-it-yourself help.

Meta-trolling? (1)

Gothmolly (148874) | more than 6 years ago | (#21478459)

So subby first trolls about getting his juices flowing turning his PC into a Mac, and then Taco trolls about just installing linux.

Dude - if you want a Mac, just buy one. Taco, demand another from your corporate pimps.

Pagehits here we come!

Title wrong (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21478461)

Turn PC into MAC? im sry i only see Make it look like a MAC... Still feels like XP/Vista for sure.

"You are about to give access to the net to lol.exe. Cancel or Allow?" Is this some mac behavior?

Also .. windows blinds and stardock is asking for more problems in performance

Wait, that's no mere Apple fanboyism! (2, Informative)

Ai Olor-Wile (997427) | more than 6 years ago | (#21478477)

This is actually an advertisement for Stardock disguised as Apple fanboyism. The only paid product really indicated is the miserable dock application of the same company, which has much better and completely free alternatives. With the exception of Expose and Spaces, I'm pretty sure the author's entire range of features can be delivered by Stardock software.

I also like how they avoid mentioning that you could just crack uxtheme.dll yourself, which is what FlyAKiteOS does, and theme to your heart's content, instead opting to plug WindowBlinds, which is again inferior due to sluggishness. (The author doesn't even mention WB's one user-attracting point, which is that it themes every control, even the stuff that XP themes don't touch.)

The point: 2399$ vs ~ 800$ (0, Redundant)

C0deJunkie (309293) | more than 6 years ago | (#21478531)

It still seem a weird thing to do, but actually, the difference between the price of a mac and the price of a medium level PC is a great gap, so in this sense I can see a point. But the whole idea is still weird.

I've used most of these programs... (3, Insightful)

Neitokun (882224) | more than 6 years ago | (#21478579)

ObjectDock is garbage, Konfabulator sucks up system resources, and DeskSpaces looks no different than YDOM, which made my system thrash like no tomorrow. (Granted, I don't have a 3D card) I wonder how much StarDock paid to get top billing...

How to Turn Your PC into a Crawling Mass of Addons (1)

angryphase (766302) | more than 6 years ago | (#21478593)

Perfect, just what I always wanted on top of a Windows Vista installation, more sprawling masses of additional software slowing down my user experience! Add dock-like software, expose replacement, a dashboard (COOL!), spaces and the almighty Mac look & feel (be still my beating heart). I fail to see how this makes my PC 'more like a Mac', beyond eye-candy graphics .

Maybe I'm Jaded (1)

Thumper_SVX (239525) | more than 6 years ago | (#21478605)

I don't get it. What will you end up with at the end of these hacks? Realistically, you'll end up with a rip-off variant on OSX that looks vaguely like it and runs the risk of being less stable than Windows usually is. I don't get it.

OK, I'm a Mac user. Honestly, I tried to make my old Linux laptop more Mac-like even though it was not a very powerful laptop. It worked... and it worked quite well for my needs, but honestly it was problematic. After I finally replaced it with a Macbook Pro I discovered that my Mac-Like desktop was really just a second-rate imitation that required a little too much "care and feeding" in order to run decently and really wasn't all that good. I'm not saying I couldn't have done better, but it still remains that I'm MUCH more efficient with my Mac than I ever was with that Linux desktop.

OK, so all of these products are about making Windows more Mac-Like. Fair enough... I understand some people use Windows who dislike some of the way it works and I'm all for customization. However, the problems with Windows aren't just the Windows shell; they're application and API problems that either kill usability or cause issues and inconsistencies that will render this "Mac Like Experience" more like Windows XP/Vista with a fresh coat of paint. Nothing more.

The strength of OSX is not in the "shiny" stuff, nor is it in the look and feel. The key strength of OSX is the foundations upon which the OS is based. The APIs are nice and well documented, the UNIX core gives you incredible flexibility, and the fact that Apple as a company is not afraid to make tough decisions about their APIs but still provide reasonable paths to migrate to new API sets. They will even continue to provide an API long past its theoretical sell-by date, but do so in such a way that a clear migration path is mapped out and even simple to port to.

Yes, the shiny stuff is cool for all of about 5 minutes. It gets old... I have most of the visual effects turned off on my Mac, I just want to get work done. How does any of this increase the efficiency of working with the OS?

Oh, and by the time you've paid for your Windows box, Windows license and the shareware fees for each of these applications (no, ripping them off does not count), you may as well have gone out and at least bought a Mac Mini or iMac. Hell, if you're in laptop-land you may as well have bought a Macbook.

Been there, done that (1)

kimvette (919543) | more than 6 years ago | (#21478635)

Thanks to the nice folks over at kde and at beryl, I've already been there and done that - my PC is more like the Mac-like ideal than OS X has achieved. I have a 3D desktop, alpha blending support, smooth FAST scaling (infinitely variable zoom), object-oriented desktop and on top of all that I have a seven-button mouse which is fully supported by the desktop environment.

This has all been possible for a PC for at least a couple of years now. Windows isn't the be-all-end-all of the PC world, even as much as Microsoft would love you to believe that were so.

Best of all? It's all open source AND free as in beer if you don't feel like buying a commercial distro.
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