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Dungeons & Dragons Movie

emmett posted more than 14 years ago | from the roll-5d20-and-spend-seven-bucks dept.

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Nimey writes "IGN has an interview about the Dungeons & Dragons movie, due out later this year." Damn. I was hoping they'd take a storyline from the animated D&D show from the eighties. I'll see it anyway.

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argh... whats wrong with your imagination? (1)

billbob (70222) | more than 14 years ago | (#1365503)

They are things that are better of as a book!

Post production? (3)

KillBot (116344) | more than 14 years ago | (#1365504)

News of this has been around for a while. And even back then, the status of it was "everything has been filmed, we're now in post production". I guess that's necessary for some of the things they talk about, like 70+ red and gold dragons. But I remeber how ridiculously lame dragonheart and godzilla were. It's like half the movie was pure CG and it was absolute crap! But the pictures they have of the live action shots look really good! And the fact that the producer was so into making this movie for himself and for the loyal d&d fans out there instead of designing a movie for a focus group. I'm impressed with everything I've read about this movie so far, though.

Dragons! (1)

nazerim (32960) | more than 14 years ago | (#1365505)

I love fantasy. Ever since Weiss and Hickman, the Dragons have captured my imagination. Anybody remember that game where you rode on the back of dragons into battle? A dragon Flight Simulator - one of the first truly original ideas (well, not truly original, but the execution was brilliant). The Red Dragons, Black Dragons, Ice Dragons ...

I'm not disappointed that it's not about the cartoon - though that holds a fond memory. Hopefully there'll be loads of dragons (DragonFear!) ... woooh. I'm getting goosebumps already ....

DragonStrike (2)

Noke (8971) | more than 14 years ago | (#1365506)

I think it was "DragonStike" by SSI apart of their DragonLance series of games (It wasn't apart of the gold-box trilogy, but was a dragonlance game nonethless).

Will Tom Hanks star in this one, too? (1)

kerouac (18850) | more than 14 years ago | (#1365507)

The first thing that I thought of when I saw this
post was the made-for-TV-movie starring Tom Hanks of (at the time) 'Bosom Buddies' fame.

Let's hope that they keep the raging paranoia
about satan worship, cults and the like out of
this show as well. That's the last thing we need after all that 'Hellmouth' backlash...

Weird (2)

MistaCool (136845) | more than 14 years ago | (#1365508)

This seems like a 90's take on D&D...I mean, Elwood? Is he one of the Blues Brothers or something? And Marlon Wayans? Anyway, I just hope they make this more of a Braveheart than a Dragonheart. They shouldn't forget the true essence of D&D.

Choose your own ending? (5)

TallG (135907) | more than 14 years ago | (#1365509)

Do we all get to take our d20's and d4's to the cinema and get to roll our own endings?

getting old (1)

a_festering_bunny (136585) | more than 14 years ago | (#1365510)

As said before, rumours of a movie like this have been around for ages. Im personally a fan of D&D but I wont hold my breath just yet.

I guess a movie like this would cost a ton in special effects seeing as they got to have special monsters, magic etc. Now fantasy movies normally do very well in cartoon film, but I dont see very many REAL fantasy films around that made the cinemas. So, as far as I know, they would have a hard time finding people/companies that would want to invest money in this kind of movie.

If they would release a movie of course i would go and see it =)

Waiting for the real thing... (1)

TopShelf (92521) | more than 14 years ago | (#1365511)

Since most of D&D comes straight out of Tolkien, I'll wait until the Lord of the Rings movies start coming out (when is that, summer 2001?).

Re:Choose your own ending? (2)

Bill Currie (487) | more than 14 years ago | (#1365512)

Hehe, my favorite part of D&D was spinning the dice like tops. Forget the rolling :)

Still, that brought a smile to my face.

They're making a movie!!!???? (1)

Paladeen (8688) | more than 14 years ago | (#1365513)

Amazing...I wonder if TSR is getting a cut. Anyway, why don't they just stick to making "fantasy" movies, instead of taking a lousy trademark and branding the film with it, in hope that the geeks will come running to see it...=)

Re:Dragons! (1)

nlamsben (129277) | more than 14 years ago | (#1365514)

Aaaahhhhhhhhhhh!!!! Takes you back abit doesn't it? Good and evil battling it out together...mmm Sounds just like M$ and the DOJ!

Re:They're making a movie!!!???? (1)

a_festering_bunny (136585) | more than 14 years ago | (#1365515)

Hey i'm not a geek, im just in denial!

and of course i'd go see it when it comes out =)

Re:Will Tom Hanks star in this one, too? (1)

tweek (18111) | more than 14 years ago | (#1365516)

Raging paranoia about kids throwing themselves off buildings because they thought they could fly ;)

Remeber that fine peice of media frenzy bullshit?

REAL fantasy (1)

luckykaa (134517) | more than 14 years ago | (#1365517)

I dont see very many REAL fantasy films around that made the cinemas

Not many, but there have been some. Princess Bride and DragonHeart spring to mind.

Remember, a few years ago there were virtually no fantasy television series apart from a few childrens shows, with low production values. Now we have Xena, Hercules, and a vast number of other series with regular monster special effects. Computer graphics, as well as the efforts of television companies, has brought the cost of doing this right down.

Less Gore? (2)

The_Compact (102019) | more than 14 years ago | (#1365518)

<SNIP>We gave up some of the blood and gore that you might have in Braveheart for the rating.</SNIP>

... Hmmm ... It's a good thing they did. I knew so many good games that started with noble intentions only to finish in a hack&slash monster killing frenzy due to bad players or bad DMs. ;-)
/ME is looking back at his good ol' AD&D characters.

More seriously, I wonder how it will compare to the Anime Record of Lodoss War and to the Ring trilogy's first movie.


Re:Will Tom Hanks star in this one, too? (1)

Mart (19570) | more than 14 years ago | (#1365519)

Wasn't that "Mazes and Monsters"? Its about a group of RPG players in college, one of whom mysteriously disappears. It turns out that he's gone mad and retreated into the fantasy world of the game. Based on an urban legend from the early days of D&D.

I don't remember Tom Hanks being in it. I do remember him being in "Bachelor Party" so I guess he made other films he isn't proud of.

D&D movie? (1)

WinterKnight (104994) | more than 14 years ago | (#1365520)

Maybe we're lucky its not the animated series.
I really hated that poni/unicorn/whatever.

What I would REALLY like to see, though, is
a Dragon Lance movie! that would be great..
though something tells me we can count on them
that they will ruin the movie.
Its just one of those feelings.

UGH, retro to my generation... (2)

GMontag (42283) | more than 14 years ago | (#1365521)

Feeling old...

I do hope it has all of the retarded hysteria of the D&D made for TV movie of the late 70's. For you younger surfers, D&D had the "evil" reputation of "doom" and other computer games today.

The stupid made-for-tv movie pretended to have something to do with a real life D&D player that committed suicide and, of course, the game was blamed.

Re:Choose your own ending? (1)

TallG (135907) | more than 14 years ago | (#1365522)

Agreed, and there was always the excitement of would it be a white crayon or black crayon, would there be blue dice or some coloured ones, and then the subsequent gouging out of the wax when under a tense situation...

DVD Choose your own adventures... (1)

Persnickity (47761) | more than 14 years ago | (#1365523)

You of course realize that the next step is DVD Choose your own adventures... Expensive to produce every single possible trail, but I'd pay the money just to spend hours following all of them.

And great for a party, everyone votes on the course of action for the party and then you tell the DVD what the pick is and the DVD player knows which scene to play next.

Importance of CGI (3)

hernick (63550) | more than 14 years ago | (#1365524)

I wonder how important the CGI is in that movie. It's easy to see how the producers could deem necessary to have half the movie made out of cheesy CGI of huge dragons and magic... But I do not think that it is necessary at all for the movie to look good. Unfortunately, from what that article says, they have sold their souls to cheesy, low budget CGI (anybody saw B5: Crusade ? Doesn't cheap CGI just want to make you puke ?).

Probably some of you have seen the anime Record of Lodoss War, which is the closest thing to a D&D movie (even though it's animated). Making a live action version of that would require some CGI, but by carefully selecting the scenes, you don't need that much of it to make it look great. And then there is the anime Heroic Legend of Arslan. You would need so little CGI to make a live action version of that one.

I think that a D&D type movie could be done with only a few minutes of CGI. After all, D&D is all about the story, not the special effects. The roleplaying has never needed any special effects, and never will. Then, why must a movie be full of them ? Have we come to a point where a movie needs to be full of cheesy effect in order to be successful ?

Why do movie producers seem to sell their soul to the effects firms more and more often these days. I hate that. When you have a perfectly good movie with a lot of effects shot that add absolutely nothing to the story.

If they only have 30 million of funding, wouldn't they have been better off spending that on magnificent battle scenes. Ah well. I guess my stupid rant isn't even making sense anymore. Most unfortunate.

I wonder how that movie will turn out. And I also wonder how the Final Fantasy movie will turn out. Has a full length feature movie featuring human lead characters entirely in CGI ever been attempted ? From what we saw in toy story 2, they still don't master the animation of humans. And that was Pixar, who had a ton of budget. The FF movie might very well look like shit... Still, I'd like to see that one... 100% CGI might be a style of movie that takes off. Perhaps it'll replace traditional animation... hopefully it won't inherit the "animation is for kiddies" stigma that Disney has unfortunately propagated. Will it win over people over 25... Or they'll just shun it as being cheesy animation, for kiddies... eh. Time will tell.

Re:They're making a movie!!!???? (1)

Paladeen (8688) | more than 14 years ago | (#1365525)

Of course. So will I...I go and see practically every fantasy film, just to support the genre, which I find fascinating. D&D looks like it'll be OK...but my expectations aren't too great. But Jeremy Irons is cool as hell as an evil Archmage.

Record of Lodoss War (1)

Jeff DeMaagd (2015) | more than 14 years ago | (#1365526)

RoLW was interesting, except for all the times Deedlit yelled 'Parn!' (about every minute or two :) ), and the fact that 95% of the dragon time really isn't animated. I bought the DVD set then sold it because I thought the dragons were so mediocre that animating a kite would have more action. For the 'record', most of the other animation looks fantastic.

For the most part, RoLW dragons are a single frame slid across the background. On the first and last episode, the dragons were decently animated, but it looks like the dragon animator was sleeping on the job so his coworkers found his old paintings and moved the cels by hand. A dragon flying across the background looks stiffer than a glider, no wings flapping, no head or tail motion, just slide the cell across the background.

emmet... (2)

Carnage4Life (106069) | more than 14 years ago | (#1365527)

Damn. I was hoping they'd take a storyline from the animated D&D show from the eighties. I'll see it anyway.

You're kidding right? The D & D cartoon is very, very far away from AD&D my friends and I played and enjoyed. This cartoon [] is as disconnected from D & D that captured the hearts of geeks everywhere as the goofy looking PG-13 Spawn movie [] is disconnected from the emmy award winning, R rated Spawn cartoon [] or comic book.
The cartoon sucked and was a poor mirror of the game that kept my friends and I engrossed for hours on end (ThAC0, hit dice, bastard brings a tear to my eye remembering those times), if the movie is anything like the animated series then it should be avoided like the plague. On the other hand if it is actually a realistic depiction of D & D (e.g. the game Baldur's Gate) then it should become a geek treasure (sorta like the Matrix) watched the evoke memories of simpler times when an 18 on a 20d was all that saved you from a harsh, horrifying end.

You must never have seen a D&D player then... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1365528)

Take a look at one and you'll understand.

Re:DVD Choose your own adventures... (1)

Evangelion (2145) | more than 14 years ago | (#1365529)




The return of FMV games!!!! Arrrrrrrrrrrrrrgggggghhh!!!

You're giving me nightmares. FMV games sucked on the Sega CD, and they would suck on DVD.

Can't wait until noon. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1365530)

I'm happy that you're never visiting his site again.

Re:Post production? (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1365531)

Just for the info of the public out there a convention is being held in Atlanta Georgia called DragonCon at the end of June this year. A lot of the actors from the movie will be there as well as a sneak peak of the movie itself. A 40' bronze dragon from the movie will also be there. From all that I have heard of this movie it is really going to be good.

Lodoss War (1)

rsborg (111459) | more than 14 years ago | (#1365532)

Rocked. I heard that the designers of that anime actually played D&D for a while before creating it. Is this true?

Did the creators of this movie go through the same pains? What would be funny is if some of us x-gamers got some good inside jokes ;-)

/sound of dice rolling/.. Jesus saves!

Re:News for Nerds???? (1)

Hello folks (120926) | more than 14 years ago | (#1365533)

Don't make me have to get my level 13 mage to cast a fireball at you....I'll do it, too.

I'm too transient to get a character too high...

Ahh, adnd....I love this stuff. Of course, it has been news for a while....I'm just waiting till it actually comes out and praying that it'll actually show here (i'm stuck in a small town.)

Movie will lose money - here's why!!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1365534)

I don't know who will be in it, what the special fx budget is, or if the script was typed by an infinite number of moneys -- nobody will watch it until it comes out on DVD.


Well, because everybody knows that DnD fans are nerds. Seeing the movie in a theater would require going out in public, and possibly getting a swirly by the cool kids, who will be waiting at the theater for the nerds.

Re:DVD Choose your own adventures... (1)

Persnickity (47761) | more than 14 years ago | (#1365535)

Oh come one. You mean to tell me that you wouldn't want to watch the scene where your character gets his head cut off over and over again in digital quality, only to grow tired and pick a different path where they get invicerated or burnt or disentigrated or crushed by and Bigsby's Crushing Hand...

Re:Choose your own ending? (2)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1365536)

there were a few experiments with movies where the audience would vote on the outcome of a particular scene, and the movie plot would fork from there - some books were written like that, a nonlinear plot, altho the best actually did have multiple endings (just think, depending on the audience you're with, queen whatsername may get the kingdom back and with another she might end up on the rack) while cheeper ones would fork to two rather short plot variations that quickly merge again. Boojum

PG rating???? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1365537)

I dont get it, they want to make a D&D movie and put it in the PG class?, this is stupidity supreme, anyone whos read or played D&D knows the carnage that goes on, its a violent game, if you take *that* out of the movie its ruined already, doesnt matter about special effects. The world of D&D is violent and any movie has to be the same. Most of the people who will see this movie will be high teens and older, so why aim it at a PG rating?. I have the sad suspicion that this film will have lame fight scenes where swords will be slashed and no blood yet the guy falls down dead *sigh*, no limbs lost etc. Once again a waste of time aiming it at PG.

Re:Record of Lodoss War (1)

Chris Burke (6130) | more than 14 years ago | (#1365538)

In defense of the just plain silly dragon animation, I would suggest that they did it only to save on $$. As in, they didn't have enough money to animate the dragons, and did the best they could.

Still, they do look silly. But I'm keeping my DVD ^_^

Animated series, LotR, etc. (2)

ajs (35943) | more than 14 years ago | (#1365539)

I dunno, the animated series had a certain charm.

But, I'd rather have a good generic fantasy like The Books of Magic [] or The Fellowship of the Ring [] than a D&D movie anyhow.

After all, how likely is it that a D&D movie will be designed for anything other than merchandising. At least if you take a novel (like Lord of the Rings) or a graphic novel (like The Books of Magic) and turn it into a movie, you already know what worked. In some cases directors and screenwriters ignore that, but you have a place to start from.

It could be brilliant, but I'm not holding my breath. They'll probably wait until the end of the year and try to capitalize on the LotR hype. Sigh.

Re:DVD Choose your own adventures... (1)

luckykaa (134517) | more than 14 years ago | (#1365540)

Reminds me of a time when Multimedia was the new buzzword. Much was made of the idea of being able to have interactive movies where you could choose one of a number of possible endings.

I always felt that this sounded a bit lame, but I was expecting the point and click adventures to head in the direction of interactive movies. This never seemed to happen either. It would have been so cool to have a version of a Monkey Island type game with real actors.

TSR? (2)

Dr Drew (15165) | more than 14 years ago | (#1365541)

You mean, Wizards of the Coast? They bought out TSR a while back. Which just goes to show the lack of imagination in today's gaming populace. I remember when D&D, which was fueled by imagination, was king. Now M:TG, fueled by a rigid, non-imaginative system, and greed, was so much more successful that a young Wizards of the Coast was able to buy out TSR within a couple of years. It's a real sign of the times.

Re:Waiting for the real thing... (2)

ajs (35943) | more than 14 years ago | (#1365542)

Check out the page for it on Comming Attractions [] . They've been pretty consistant about it being Christmas this year and then Summer next year and then Christmas next year for the whole trillogy. Pretty ambitious, but I'm holding out a good deal of hope for this one!

Re:TSR? WoTC? Try Hasbro. (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1365543)

You mean Hasbro? They bought out WoTC who bought out TSR awhile back. Speaking of signs of the times...

Re:REAL fantasy (1)

leitchn (96636) | more than 14 years ago | (#1365544)

Yeah, but Xena and the like have no plot, childish dialogue and cringing one-liners. Hardly the sort of Monstrous Life Eating Literary Work (TM) that The Lord Of the Rings or Ghormanghast are.

No offence intended to fans of Xena et al, but I think to make fantasy cinema a reality, the sort of stories that keep your nose in a book until 5am need to reach to big screen, instead of pulp mass-attraction 'fun' fantasy.

Re:Will Tom Hanks star in this one, too? (3)

mister7 (56875) | more than 14 years ago | (#1365545)

Ooooh...I can just see it
In the Last Great Invasion of the Last Great War, The Greatest Challenge for Eight Hobbits was Saving... One.

Saving Private Frodo

Re:UGH, retro to my generation... (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1365546)

Ugh. I never actually saw the Mazes and Monsters made for TV special (my parents had decided to rid themselves of the TV for a few years during my childhood) but my best friend's mother certainly did. She made him quit the game, thus having to give away all his characters. His mother has and always will be a representation in my mind of the Average American. She swallowed every urban legend and half-media-truth hook, line, and sinker.

Re:Will Tom Hanks star in this one, too? (1)

AdamJ (28538) | more than 14 years ago | (#1365547)

Hanks was in it - he played Robbie Wheeling, according to

It's a *terrible* film, but I watch it whenever it comes on TBS, which it tends to do a couple times a year. The roleplaying scenes are amusing.


Re:Choose your own ending? (1)

Shin Elendale (132746) | more than 14 years ago | (#1365548)

Can you spin the D4s?

-Elendale (can)

Re:TSR? WoTC? Try Hasbro. (1)

Dr Drew (15165) | more than 14 years ago | (#1365549)

Is it me, or is Hasbro getting a little out of hand here? First Avalon Hill, then Microprose, now Wizards of the Coast, what's next, Atari? Oh yeah....

Re:Lodoss War (1)

Shin Elendale (132746) | more than 14 years ago | (#1365550)

Actually I believe Lodoss war is based on an RPG which is based on D&D...

-Elendale (Would you believe that in some states cops ask 'do you play FRPs (fantasy role playing games)' when you are arrested?)

Re:Record of Lodoss War (1)

Shin Elendale (132746) | more than 14 years ago | (#1365551)

I think in that last episode "Parn!" and "Deed!" are yelled around 20-30 times *blah* Talk about trying to make a point.

-Elendale (laughs at dead dragons pulled by ropes across the background)

Re:PG rating???? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1365552)

It's not about hack n slash, D&D in my opinion has always been about character development and having an interesting story line. It's PG because the producers/screenwriters want to portray the world of D&D in all it's aspects rather than a dozen poorly choreographed scenes. Remember Willow starring Val Kilmer and that midget who recently appeared in Episode 1? That was PG and it was remarkable and it had little to no blood! It's all about story and plot. Just like in a real D&D game, a D&D game that has nothing but endless combat gets boring REAL quick. You want blood and gore, go play a brainless arcade game, you want a compelling story and a dynamic party of characters, watch this movie.

Possible movies based on other RPGs (1)

Glytch (4881) | more than 14 years ago | (#1365553)

Whitewolf: Werewolves and hunters band together to stop an insane vampire from conquering the world, but all the werewolves are slaughtered in two minutes due to a possessed Sons of Ether mage with that g--d----d straw to gold talent and a pistol.

Rifts: A small group of friends are sitting at a bar but get pulled through a wormhole to mythical Greece. They then proceed to slaughter a Spartan army who are wandering around the countryside for no apparent reason, save the princess's female lover from the Dark King and expose a conspiracy to stop the invention of the printing press, but they then are transported to the center of the universe and they accidentally erase Earth from history.

Any other ideas?

Re:Will Tom Hanks star in this one, too? (2)

AdamJ (28538) | more than 14 years ago | (#1365554)

Whoops. Should have lumped this in with my last post, but hadn't followed the link yet ListenPages/ma/3471/ [] is a Realvideo and MS Streaming video of Mazes and Monsters, in full. The video quality is tiny, but the sound is okay.

I just wish you could download the darned thing, and not just stream it.


Re:UGH, retro to my generation... (1)

Shin Elendale (132746) | more than 14 years ago | (#1365555)

Haha! There are still tons of people around like that. Just last night I was flaming a religious zealot who has a website about killing evil RPG'ers and martial artists. erk...
In any case, it has been conclusively proven (in every case I have looked at) at levels up to the Supreme Court that D&D has NEVER been the cause of a suicide or murder, or even aided. In several studies D&D has actually been shown to reduce chances of suicide, etc.

-Elendale (actually had to prove this to my high school once...)

Tom Hanks in the tunnels ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1365556)

Seein' the dragon, and venturing forth to the WTC. Just say no to fantasy gaming.

Eighties TV was fun and informative.

Just like Quincy teaching us the dangers of slam dancing (and punk rock in general).

Re:Possible movies based on other RPGs (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1365557)

Yes, shoot one in their right mind would watch something as hackneyed and cornball as the two you just listed. Please remove yourself from the gene pool.

Re:Dragons! (1)

PurpleDragon (79028) | more than 14 years ago | (#1365558)

There are two dragongames that I remember very fondly -

Dragon's Breath on the Amiga, which is practically 'SimDragon', where you get the eggs, raise the dragon and learn them to be the best they can. (Or most destructive.. ;)

Drakken - (sp?) PC. Dragonflighsim that was released last year on the PC. Kinda tricky to control, but good fun to play. Fry other dragons, farmsteads, etc. ^_^

Re:Choose your own ending? (1)

troc (3606) | more than 14 years ago | (#1365559)

Yes. D10's are the nicest though and my D30 is the easiest....

Well except for my spherical D6



Re:REAL fantasy (1)

troc (3606) | more than 14 years ago | (#1365560)

Now that you mention it.....

Ghormenghast is being shown as a 4 part tv-series costing oodles of millions of UK pounds here in the UK starting tonight.

been getting good reviews...


Re:Post production? Dragonheart, crap? (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1365561)

I wouldn't say that Dragonheart was crap! The acting and the story line sucked, but the CGI fro Draco was absolutely phenominal! There were many sequences in that movie where I caught myself falling for the illusion completely, and I *never* do that with CGI.

How about Traveller? (1)

razzmataz (69616) | more than 14 years ago | (#1365562)

I'd like to see a movie based on Marc Miller's Traveller RPG [] , 'specially during the rebellion period. The special effects would cull out the sheep from their homes and all the sci-fi junkies too.

(for those who don't know, Traveller [] was probably the first ever sci-fi RPG...)

As long as it's got half naked babes with swords.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1365563)

..I'll go see the movie. If not, well, there's always anime.

Re:Record of Lodoss War (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1365564)

It's amazing how some poeple seem to hold certain stereotypes about what anime is, and then actually *complain* when it doesn't live up to them! Lodoss War never intended to be DnD come to life.

If you just want lots of skin, hack and slash violence, and no real plot, character development or emotional relationships, go see Legend of Lemnear.

Re:REAL fantasy (1)

leitchn (96636) | more than 14 years ago | (#1365565)

Yep - I'll be watching it.

Anyone know what time it's on?

Re:How Long... (1)

meisenst (104896) | more than 14 years ago | (#1365566)

I'd say that's really too bad, and that we'll miss your wonderfully creative wit, but you won't be back to read this comment -- I'm somewhat sure that Roblimo's still around. ;)


Re:Movie will lose money - here's why!!! (1)

meisenst (104896) | more than 14 years ago | (#1365567)

If you don't know any of that, I guess you didn't read the article very carefully. Most, if not all of those things, were covered in the article.

And, I don't know how many movies you've gone to lately, but The Matrix was definitely a movie for "nerds", and I didn't hear about many so-called "nerds" getting the beats for wanting to watch it. Did you?


Re:PG rating???? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1365568)

im not saying story isnt important, however if you take two examples brave heart and saving private ryan, the violence in both made the move have a greater impact, brave hearts fight scenes, and the first 30 mins of SPR (the rest of the movie sucked). Endless combat is boring, yes, but when you want to portray a large battle as the ending of the movie suggests you must have "In your face" action and violence. The lame combat is what i want them to avoid, slash, no blood, dead...gimme a break.

Re:emmet... (2)

Kintanon (65528) | more than 14 years ago | (#1365569)

'...when an 18 on a 20d was all that saved you from a harsh, horrifying end.'

Or if you have the 'Extremely Odd Luck' syndrome that my little brother always played with that 18 causes the crossbow bolt fired at you to ricochet off of a passing sparrow, off of a tree, off of a rock, off of the guy that shot it, and HIT ME IN THE LEG! That was the funniest session we ever had... So much weird shit happened...


Re:Possible movies based on other RPGs (1)

Glytch (4881) | more than 14 years ago | (#1365570)

Lighten up! I was joking. They were just some crap campaings that I'd played in the past. Psst... Don Albert, if you're reading this... you need to get some original ideas.

Re:PG rating???? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1365571)

It worked for Willow, Hercules, and Xena

great, setting another flop (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1365572)

well...if they actually follow the story line as in the series, the movie wont be a flop

Re:Lodoss War (1)

M-2 (41459) | more than 14 years ago | (#1365573)

Okay, history lesson here...

In the late 1970s, the first RPGs appeared in Japan. They let you play... well, characters from various series. That was it. You got the pregenerated characters and there were no character generation rules. Then D&D showed up. They went nuts.

One GM ran a campaign that went through two generations of heroes. He kept copious notes, and turned those notes in to the 12 novels of the Records of the Wars of Lodoss. Which became the anime series...

And then they released the Record of Lodoss Wars RPG. Thus bringing things 100% full circle. TSR wouldn't let them license the AD&D system for Lodoss, so they had to do their own.

And now you know the REST of the story...

Fantasy movies (1)

sdelk (73884) | more than 14 years ago | (#1365574)

How many GOOD movies have been made that are set in a 'fantasy' world? Precious few. Its just too hard to pull off, and from what I've heard/seen about the D&D movie, it's not gonna work.

To me, the sign that the makers of it have the wrong idea was when I read about how they intended to "stick to the rules of D&D' as much as possible". Uhhh...isn't a film supposed to tell a story? Shouldn't that be the first priority?

It'll suck, prepare yourself.

Re:Fantasy movies (1)

razzmataz (69616) | more than 14 years ago | (#1365575)

The people who want the movie to stick to the rules are the rules lawyers, gamers whom GM's disdain the most, with the notable exception of munchkins.

MUSIC will make or break the movie (1)

chocolatetrumpet (73058) | more than 14 years ago | (#1365576)

I'm very new to d&d, I play it with my friends.

Most of all I love music...

this movie sounds like it could really be awesome.. but one aspect I haven't read anything about is the music. The music is an element just as important as effects, as visuals, as plot...

there are plenty of fine composers and musicians out there, hopefully some can be found with a natural passion for D&D!

what do you think?

Re:Dragons! (1)

ronfar (52216) | more than 14 years ago | (#1365577)

The Eidolon For the Atari 800 XL had cool looking dragons, especially for those days. It was a LucasArts game and the first FPS I ever played. I thought the Black Dragon had the scariest look.

Re:Choose your own ending? (1)

ronfar (52216) | more than 14 years ago | (#1365578)

I really love my D100 and I think it was an interesting piece of engineering. Unfortunately, it doesn't match my two crystal dice sets because it isn't translucent or the right color. It really rolls too... it resembles a golf ball.

Re:REAL fantasy (1)

ronfar (52216) | more than 14 years ago | (#1365579)

Don't forget Ladyhawk I really liked that one...

Anyone remember "Which Way" books? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1365580)

It was a cheesy, zorkish, navigate your own story, series of books. You'd read so far then it would ask you what to do. You'd turn to one page if you did one thing, and another page if you did the other. Then the story would continue from there with you skipping all over the book until you die or reach the end. I think "Attack of the Green Slime" was one. There were a bunch in the series. Mmmmmm... random access reading..... uuggggghhhh!!!!!

Re:DVD Choose your own adventures... (2)

Chas (5144) | more than 14 years ago | (#1365581)

Actually, they sorta did this already.

Remember the old "Dragon's Lair" game?

I just found it at BestBuy as a DVD game. All the original animated frames, you play by manipulating your remote (or the buttons on the software DVD-player screen if you play on the computer).

Haven't picked it up yet. Probably will though. I burned through a couple zillion quarters trying to beat that game (came close once).

Then I'll have to try "Space Ace".


Chas - The one, the only.

Re:REAL fantasy (1)

luckykaa (134517) | more than 14 years ago | (#1365582)

Yes, but the point is that Xena etc. have no plot, childish dialogue and cringing one-liners.....and respectable special effects. And this is all on a TV budget. Good plot and dialogue have always been possible. Convincing effects haven't. The few minutes of stop motion in Jason and the Argonauts took months to complete. Not everyone has the budget to manage that.

Of course, I know dragons, hobbits and monsters aren't neccesary for fantasy, but without these you're missing out on a lot of possibilities. Without them you can't even film The Hobbit.

And anyway, I like the lack of plot, childish dialogue and cringing one-liners in Xena.

Star Wars Influence? No - Really? (1)

NoizAngel (137753) | more than 14 years ago | (#1365583)

As much as I'd like to see the movie - Aren't there a few coincidences?
Evil Archmage = Evil Senator
Empress with odd clothing = Queen with odd clothing
The article also said that the majority of Birch's scenes are with Irons... So, would it be safe to assume she is *influenced* by him...?
Only difference being, I'd guess that the archmage is found out and summarily dispatched, as opposed to being subtle. But - Magic Missiles rarely are.

70+ red and gold dragons though? Yipe. Are there that many?


How about this? (1)

BruiserBlanton (133306) | more than 14 years ago | (#1365584)

A realistic approach to the white wolf idea. We follow the first changing and following happenings of a young werewolf. Then, (s)he and the pack take on a huge manifestion of the Wyrm. I think the visual presentation of the story would bring in alot of people. If some of last year's movie made money and filled seats, this horror-adventure would.

Animation style in Japan. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1365585)

In defense of the just plain silly dragon animation, I would suggest that they did it only to save on $$.

While this is true to some extent, particularly in anime's earlier years where budgets were tight, the style of panning the camera over still images has been done for so long in Japanese animation, that it has become just part of the native style of anime. Some poeple just hate this. It is also quite common for mouth movements to not follow speech exactly. This too annoys some people. Neither animation style is "better" than the other (most US animation lacks plot above a 6-year-old's comprehension level), it's just different.

Re:How Long... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1365586)

I've changed my mind. I'm going to stay and give you more pleasure.

Re:Anyone remember "Which Way" books? (1)

ronfar (52216) | more than 14 years ago | (#1365587)

Knight of the Living Dead which was somewhere between a Which-Way book and a solitare module was pretty cool. It was about a plot by the undead to destroy Waterdeep, and required a 12-sided dice to play, but was lenient compared to real AD&D rules and was really more like a Which-Way book (though in looks and presentation it was more like a module and the writing and pictures were more grown-up.)

Of course, solitary, scary loners who were really into this sort of thing (not me of course... I just heard about it. Really, I don't have whole box full of such solitare modules...) knew enough to buy the Tunnels and Trolls games in which solitare modules were a speciality. Ah! Sorcerer's Solitare, Sea of Mystery what fun... the best part was when you cheated and read a "cheater's paragraph" in which a Troll bashes in your head for reading out of turn... Ah! Those were the days...

Of course, the couldn't compare to Zork or Enchanter but you could play them on family camping trips out in the woods...

Re:emmet... (1)

Shin Elendale (132746) | more than 14 years ago | (#1365588)

Or what about that one guy in the group who was so freaking lucky. I had a mage play who was more effective in combat just due to the fact that he rolled 3 twenties in a row, then rolled an 18 and called it bad luck. Worst part was we had the 20s give you extra attacks rule *fear mages who kill dragons with thrown daggers*

-Elendale (or if you can only roll 1s...)

Re:emmet... (2)

Kintanon (65528) | more than 14 years ago | (#1365589)

Or what about that one guy in the group who was so freaking lucky. I had a mage play who was more effective in combat just due to the fact that he rolled 3 twenties in a row, then rolled an 18 and called it bad luck. Worst part was we had the 20s give you extra attacks rule *fear mages who kill dragons with thrown daggers*
-Elendale (or if you can only roll 1s...)

LOL! Believe it or not my MOM was the one who always had that happen. She would do the same thing when we played RISK, rolling all sixes all the time... Drove us INSANE.


Re:UGH, retro to my generation... (2)

ronfar (52216) | more than 14 years ago | (#1365590)

I was lucky enough to have a father who loved Tales from the Crypt, The Haunt of Fear and The Vault of Horror back in the 50's when they tried to ban comic books. He never fell for that hype (neither did my Mom, but she loves Anne McCaffrey so it is to be expected.) However, they would occaisionally run into people who would say, "You let your kid play D&D? Did you the 60 Minutes episode on it?" Of course, I had problems in school over it...

My letter on the subject is forever preserved in the Dragon Magazine Archive on CD-Rom. To find it just put in the words, Sally Jesse Raphael in the search engine (it is in a later issue, up over 100)... see if you can guess which letter is mine! ^_^

Gary Gygax's new game (1)

Hobart (32767) | more than 14 years ago | (#1365591)

While D&D is the hot topic -- I might point out that Gary Gygax [] , author of D&D, has a new game out. Pick up a copy [] and give feedback to help it develop into a good game!

Re:DVD Choose your own adventures... (1)

ronfar (52216) | more than 14 years ago | (#1365592)

Dragon's Lair is already available on DVD...

Re:REAL fantasy (1)

leitchn (96636) | more than 14 years ago | (#1365593)

And anyway, I like the lack of plot, childish dialogue and cringing one-liners in Xena.

A lot of people do, and I think that's fair enough - but there is nothing out there in the TV or cinema market to cater for those who like their fantasy to have some bite. I don't care how they do it, whether a 3 hour film, or a several part TV serial, but I'd like to see some truly well written fantasy on the screens.

I'll still turn over and watch Xena after, though :-)

Re:Nudity too... (1)

ronfar (52216) | more than 14 years ago | (#1365594)

Anyone remember the good old days? Nude erynes, sylphs, and succubi in the Monster Manual, nude women in advertisements in Dragon magazine, nudes in articles in Dragon magazine... nudes in the Dungeon Master's Guides sigh...

Then of course people decided nudity was sexist or evil (depending on ideology) and everthing got cleaned up... but oh for the innocence of my youth in the 70's...

Dragon's lair DVD game already does this... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1365595)

No, I'm not talking about the DVDROM game for the PC. This is a DVD game for s stand-alone DVD player. It's an interesting idea, but the navigation abilities of DVD were never meant for quick real-time response. They were meant for menuing and are quite sluggish for anything else. Detecting when a button was pressed within a precise time window (which Dragon's Lair needs to do) is very sloppy and often does the Wrong Thing. DVD players were never meant to be game consoles.

Emmett, are you NUTS? (3)

Robotech_Master (14247) | more than 14 years ago | (#1365596)

The '80s cartoon, while it had potential, was incredibly lame in a lot of ways. Its plot was Yet Another Gilligan's Island Retread, it bore only an orthagonal resemblance to the game, because it had to be sanitized of all those "nasty nonChristian elements" like, say, clerics...and by giving each character a "magic gadget," it seriously detracted from believing in the characters' own innate skills. To say nothing of breaking the fourth wall by having the characters interact with a "Dungeonmaster". (Hey, guys! Free clue...the Dungeonmaster is the one who's controlling everything! Of course he could send you home if he wanted...)

This movie, on the other hand, is one of the things I've been looking forward to for the longest time...there's been so little good D&Dish stuff available.

(By the way, for any who like the same sort of fantasy as D&D in books, look into Elizabeth Moon's Deed of Paksenarrion [] trilogy, and P.C. Hodgell's Godstalk and Dark of the Moon.)

3 to 1 (1)

jwhyche (6192) | more than 14 years ago | (#1365597)

It's been awhile since I watched Xena but it seems it runs about 3 to 1. They will have two or three bad to average episodes then have one kick ass one.

A good one that spings to mind is where Xena and her bitch where surrounded by some hord with Xena and some Athens soilders trap in a fort. I though that was a nice episode.

One thing I hated about Xena was Gabby. What a wuss. Reminded me of that prick in Highlander. I watched one of the new ones the other day. I think she got with the program. Bash it until it stops moving then reason with it.

"Remember, fireball first..." - me

Re:Possible movies based on other RPGs (2)

Chas (5144) | more than 14 years ago | (#1365598)

Actually, I think I'd pay to see a RIFTS movie based in the original millue (around post-apocalyptic Chicago).

The visuals of the "Glitter Boy" power armor digging in it's stabilizers and popping off a couple "Boom Gun" rounds (incidentally deafening his cohorts) would be worth the price of admission alone.

RIFTS is an EXTREMELY fleshed out world. My only issues are with the underlying Palladium game system.

Oh yeah. I want to see a depiction of Mega-Damage capacity (like someone taking a bat to a baby dragon character, busting the bat over the character's head, and the character going "that tickled!".

Chas - The one, the only.

Re:REAL fantasy (1)

Tony Towers (51717) | more than 14 years ago | (#1365599)

BBC2 at 9pm (so after the watershed, too).

Looking forward to it.

Director of D&D (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1365600)

The great thing about this D&D movie is that it's directed by Peter Jackson. He has made some great movies and is a master of the cheezy horror genere. If you want to see some of this director's finest (In my oppinion) work, go check out Dead Alive, or Meet the Feebles. They are fun, hilarious, and not for the feighnt(sp) of heart. RVWinkle (too lazy to look up my pass)

Honkie (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1365601)

I remember hearing Marlon Wayans saying it wouldn't do another movie or TV show unless it got to call someone honkie in it. I wonder who it calls a honkie in this movie? The archmage? "Get your honkie spells off'a my butt." Who did casting for this movie? This is sad.

Re:Weird (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1365602)

Anyway, I just hope they make this more of a Braveheart than a Dragonheart.

Oh, come on. Dragonheart was sheer, unadulterated fantasy, whereas Braveheart was completely made up history. Shurely you mean the otherway round?

"This Morning with Richard NOT Judy" did a sketch of Braveheart, managing to correct the vast majority of the historical innacuracies... absolutely hilarious...

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