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British Village Requests Removal From GPS Maps

kdawson posted more than 6 years ago | from the can't-be-seen dept.

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longacre writes "The tiny village of Barrow Gurney, England, has asked GPS map publisher Tele Atlas to remove them from the company's maps. The reason: truck drivers using GPS navigation devices are being directed to drive through the town despite the roads being too narrow for sidewalks, which has led to numerous accidents. At the root of the problem lies the fact that the navigation maps used by trucks are the same as those used by passenger cars, and they don't contain data on road width or no-truck zones. Tele Atlas says they will release truck-appropriate databases at some point, but until then they advise local governments to make use of a technology dating back to the Romans: road signs."

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Road Signs? (3, Informative)

liquidpele (663430) | more than 6 years ago | (#21580245)

Haha! Truckers don't look at Road Signs!
Hell, they don't even look before they change lanes. I had one force me over a lane just the other day. They're crazy if they think truckers will just turn around and go another way if the road says "no trucks".

Re:Road Signs? (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21580263)

Cut him some slack, he probably just had some Decepticon ass to kick.

Re:Road Signs? (5, Insightful)

Radres (776901) | more than 6 years ago | (#21580269)

Sounds like a great opportunity for the law enforcement officers of Barrow Gurney to make some money issuing fines.

Re:Road Signs? (2, Funny)

pembo13 (770295) | more than 6 years ago | (#21580683)

Sounds like a great opportunity for the law enforcement officers of Barrow Gurney to make some money issuing fines.
Based on the given information, I actually agree with this. I just hope they don't use that as an excuse to be tasing truckers.

Re:Road Signs? (0, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21580759)

why does everything have to be harder to do in Windows?

Because you are an idiot and idiots have to deal with user error.

Re:Road Signs? (5, Funny)

DittoBox (978894) | more than 6 years ago | (#21580859)

Don't taze me, good buddy! 10-4

Re:Road Signs? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21580697)

God no, they couldn't do that. Not with the way the papers talk about it.

Any time a person in this country gets a ticket for speeding or just about any other driving offence, it's the police trying to make a profit from the humble working man and is a terrible injustice.

Of course, they also constantly describe the police as underfunded whenever something happens and they fail to respond...

Re:Road Signs? (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21580873)

Any time a person in this country gets a ticket for speeding or just about any other driving offence, it's the police trying to make a profit from the humble working man and is a terrible injustice.

Of course, they also constantly describe the police as underfunded whenever something happens and they fail to respond...


Now if only the money generated from problem 1 was used to address issues of problem 2, instead of going to the politicians' golf & booze "operational expenses", then both problems would correct themselves.

Re:Road Signs? (4, Interesting)

slamb (119285) | more than 6 years ago | (#21580737)

Sounds like a great opportunity for the law enforcement officers of Barrow Gurney to make some money issuing fines.

To me, it sounds like a rare instance of authorities caring more about safety than money. Unfortunately, your attitude seems to be more common - to the point that some communities (*cough*Union City, CA [thenewspaper.com] *cough) have been caught deliberately and illegally causing unsafe situations in order to increase revenue from traffic violations.

Re:Road Signs? (2, Insightful)

JonathanR (852748) | more than 6 years ago | (#21580803)

To me, it sounds like a rare instance of authorities caring more about safety than money.
Only when prompted by community outrage first, however.

Re:Road Signs? (4, Insightful)

Turn-X Alphonse (789240) | more than 6 years ago | (#21580271)

They will take notice of a sign that says "Maximum clearance" though. :)

Re:Road Signs? (1)

Carnildo (712617) | more than 6 years ago | (#21580327)

They will take notice of a sign that says "Maximum clearance" though. :)


Not often enough, though. There's a bridge near here that's got an impressive collection of scrapes and dents from truckers taking the tops off their vehicles.

Re:Road Signs? (2, Interesting)

Neanderthal Ninny (1153369) | more than 6 years ago | (#21580381)

I think in jolly ole England those Maximum Clearance" sign are marked "Max. Headroom". How many times have truck drivers, in England they are called lorry drivers, ignore all of those signs. Here are some image of what happens if someone ignores those signs: http://www.dhsdiecast.com/content/gallery/index.cfm?gallery_photo_id=3770 [dhsdiecast.com] http://www.dhsdiecast.com/content/gallery/index.cfm?gallery_photo_id=228 [dhsdiecast.com] There are many others you can search the internet for. I know there are many other villages in Europe that are in the similar condition in which the roads are too narrow for anything except a Morris Mini or smaller.

Re:Road Signs? (1)

Belial6 (794905) | more than 6 years ago | (#21580403)

That is brilliant! They just need to make sure that it is outside of town where no innocent bystanders will get hurt when the occasional accident happens. Heck, they could set up video cameras, and if the trucks keep coming, they can sell the footage to one of those 'real car wreck' programs. If they have the road posted as no trucks ahead of the 'bridge', they even get to fine the driver when they crash.

Re:Road Signs? (1)

CrazyDuke (529195) | more than 6 years ago | (#21580455)

I did, but not all the drivers. I know a guy that was specifically warned about a low clearance on his route, and the short bypass around it. He still topped his cab and trailer.

Re:Road Signs? (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21580723)

Additional signs aren't required - driving inappropriately close to other vehicles or pedestrians, which these truck drivers must be doing, is driving without due care and attention and comes with 3-9 penalty points so a truck driver who cops a couple of these is going to find himself cleaning trucks rather than driving them. Claiming there were no signs warning of narrow roads is likely to solicit a response of "are you registered blind" from any judge and the response to "satnav made me do it" doesn't bear thinking about. Thinking you can leg it off back to the other side of the channel isn't always going to work now as there are reciprocal arrangements with some countries.

Local councils have very close ties with the local constabulary so it's easy for them to request a clampdown.

Typical Limey Incompetence (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21580281)

Why should we expect anything more than incompetence from the so-called "Great" Britain [shelleytherepublican.com] ? They probably run the inferior "Linux" [shelleytherepublican.com] software anyway. Their lack of morals and religion [shelleytherepublican.com] is something only satanist democ-rats [shelleytherepublican.com] could empathize with.

While their Great Leader, Tony Blair [shelleytherepublican.com] , was in power, we could trust our oldest allies to loyally support our victory against the Iraqis, but alas, no more. I believe the only real solution is to liberate this backward nation, before it becomes a threat to our strategic interests [shelleytherepublican.com] and forces us to use communist European software [shelleytherepublican.com] .

Even though this is happening in a dirty smelly foreign country, all patriots should be wary of so called "scientists" [wordpress.com] such as Galileo [shelleytherepublican.com] who invented this dangerous GPS technology. Remember, these same "scientists" refuse to prescribe antibiotics [shelleytherepublican.com] even when we have live-threatening influenza, citing the discredited theory of evolution! Is it any wonder that the absurd theory of heliocentricism [wordpress.com] is killing honest trucking folks?

Got enough links in your post? (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21580501)

Seriously, who are you? Wikipedia?

Re:Road Signs? (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21580323)

Put up road signs. Next, enforce the laws with lengthy traffic stops for trucks and strict fines. If one causes an accident anyway, feel free to throw them in jail pending local laws and the installation of signs detailing the laws.

Re:Road Signs? (5, Informative)

piltdownman84 (853358) | more than 6 years ago | (#21580499)

Trucks have gotten really bad up here in around Vancouver, Canada. Especially late at night. They pay no attention to street lights, they simply blow their horn and if your lucky you get out of the way. My father wasn't so lucky a few years back. The driver didn't even deny that he ran the red, just said he didn't see my dad. Actually my father was lucky as he wasn't seriously hurt, although that was the end of that van. Everyone I know has a story about how "they almost got killed by a big truck".

Re:Road Signs? (3, Informative)

CrazyDuke (529195) | more than 6 years ago | (#21580593)

Big trucks have some horrendous blind spots, even with all the mirrors. We're (past tense now) taught to clear the lane first. But, in city traffic, things like that and following distance go out the window because everyone is in a contest to see who can be the biggest asshole. And, there is always things like road hypnosis and plain old not paying attention.

Sometimes the "No Trucks" signs get ignored because the delivery location only accessable from that route. But, yeah, I've seen plenty of drivers ignore "No Trucks" signs either because they can't turn around, don't know the road, or are just impatient. I obeyed the signs except in the first condition. The most memerable one I encountered was when a driver hauling doubles wiped out a bunch of utility lines and poles trying to drive down a little country road.

But, keep in mind, just like there are bad drivers in cars, their are bad drivers in trucks. Most know how to handle themselves, even if they sometimes have to get a little pushy, but not all.

Re:Road Signs? (1)

BovineSpirit (247170) | more than 6 years ago | (#21580613)

In my experience the drivers of the big 40' trucks tend to be the most capable and courteous drivers on the road. They have a great view of the road ahead, however they have a limited view of what's behind or alongside them. It's always a good idea to bear this in mind and keep clear. Truck drivers will do their best to avoid difficult roads, and are acutely aware that their continued employment depends on their obeying the rules. The residents of the village would be best off campaigning for that bypass to built so that they can ban trucks entirely.

Re:Road Signs? (2, Interesting)

wizardforce (1005805) | more than 6 years ago | (#21580663)

Haha! Truckers don't look at Road Signs! Hell, they don't even look before they change lanes

:) that may be so but they *will* obey a nice set of reinforced concrete pillars ready to catch anyone foolish enough to disregard the signs. which is exactly what the local towns are doing over here...

Re:Road Signs? (1)

CrazyDuke (529195) | more than 6 years ago | (#21580689)

I'd recommend they also purchase a crane and a bulldozer if they do that.

Re:Road Signs? (0, Offtopic)

liquidpele (663430) | more than 6 years ago | (#21580783)

Wait, I'm 40% flamebait right now??
Do you mods not know what flamebait is, or are there a lot of truckers on slashdot for some reason?

Re:Road Signs? (0)

cyphercell (843398) | more than 6 years ago | (#21580833)

What the hell is a no truck road? I live in Oregon and I swear I have never in my life seen a no truck road. I think in a situation like this it's time to build another road.

Britooine (3, Funny)

graviplana (1160181) | more than 6 years ago | (#21580249)

These aren't the roads you're looking for.

The already do resort to roads signs (4, Informative)

sholden (12227) | more than 6 years ago | (#21580273)

http://www.mailonsunday.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=436983 [mailonsunday.co.uk]

I would expect idiots to ignore them, because the computer voice must be obeyed.

Re:The already do resort to roads signs (2, Informative)

Paul Slocum (598127) | more than 6 years ago | (#21580343)

According to your FA, they are working: "since the signs were put up in November last year there has been a great improvement."

Re:The already do resort to roads signs (1)

sholden (12227) | more than 6 years ago | (#21580607)

Of course, not everyone is an idiot. In fact most people aren't.

The problem with signs (2, Insightful)

Meshach (578918) | more than 6 years ago | (#21580291)

I could see truckers ignoring them, especially if a GPS or map is advising them to take a different route. At least some of them are going to assume that the sign is wrong. Adding that feature to the software should be a priority.

Re:The problem with signs (1)

Shabbs (11692) | more than 6 years ago | (#21580373)

Then add some MASSIVE fines for trucks over a certain tonnage using those roads. Nice little revenue stream for the village and the truckers will eventually get the message.

Re:The problem with signs (4, Interesting)

Meshach (578918) | more than 6 years ago | (#21580419)

Also including the size of the fine on the sign would probably do wonders

Re:The problem with signs (1)

NeilTheStupidHead (963719) | more than 6 years ago | (#21580721)

Which will do little to offset the cost of repairing those roads damaged by excess tonnage.

Re:The problem with signs (1)

Shabbs (11692) | more than 6 years ago | (#21580789)

Heh. How about a "You break it, you pay for it." sign? HA!

Re:The problem with signs (1)

blind biker (1066130) | more than 6 years ago | (#21580383)

There's a 100% sure cure for that kind of idiocy; it's called draconian fines. If there's ONE thing humans understand, is consequence for their actions. No consequences --> no change in behaviour.

Re:The problem with signs (1)

squidinkcalligraphy (558677) | more than 6 years ago | (#21580615)

The current consequences probably include getting a tow truck to pull the truck out from between two ridiculously spaces stone walls, then repairing the damage to the truck and the walls. Probably paid for by the driver, or truck company. But still a great inconvenience to the village even if the damage is eventually paid for.

Have you actually been on some of those countryside roads in the UK? It's hard enough fitting a small car on some of them, let alone a truck.

Re:The problem with signs (1)

Zouden (232738) | more than 6 years ago | (#21580679)

I think a low-clearance bridge across the road would be pretty effective.

Re:The problem with signs (1)

CrazyDuke (529195) | more than 6 years ago | (#21580707)

We are taught to not take other people's directions litterally just in case something like this happens, but that is not always practical. For instance the store manager that gives you directions that take you under a 10' high bridge. His car fits just fine under it. You don't.

obligatory rudolph the red-nosed reindeer (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21580295)

bumbles bounce!

Re:obligatory rudolph the red-nosed reindeer (0, Offtopic)

schnikies79 (788746) | more than 6 years ago | (#21580345)

lol, yea i'm watching it too on cbs.

i've never missed it, along with charlie brown.

another round of (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21580315)

f1rst post

Quick fix (3, Insightful)

iminplaya (723125) | more than 6 years ago | (#21580321)

Big, giant speed bumps. Doesn't generate much revenue, but it will send a very effective message.

Re:Quick fix (1)

dgatwood (11270) | more than 6 years ago | (#21580623)

When the truck hits it at 55 MPH and launches into your living room, unfortunately, you're the one who will effectively get the message.... :-)

Long Island (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21580325)

Do what we did on Long Island's parkways. (I used to live there.) Put low bridges over the roads. Make it physically impossible for trucks to pass, and they won't follow. Granted, a few trucks a year try to use the parkways anyway, but most learn quickly that it's a terrible, terrible idea.

Re:Long Island (1)

dwater (72834) | more than 6 years ago | (#21580667)

Eh? Isn't that (partly) the problem - the trucks get stuck under the low bridges and make it impossible for others to use the road?

Re:Long Island (1)

jacobsm (661831) | more than 6 years ago | (#21580815)

They also sometimes get their tops sheared off.

GPS can get you lost (1)

LazloTheDog (39236) | more than 6 years ago | (#21580331)

Here's another misdirected by GPS story. The gus's lucky to be alive, nobody familar with the area would think of taking that road except in the summer, even then it is a rough road.

http://www.jhnews.com/article.php?art_id=2473/ [jhnews.com]

JM

Great story! (1)

mangu (126918) | more than 6 years ago | (#21580457)

Here's another misdirected by GPS story. The gus's lucky to be alive

As I read the link, it says: "You have an error in your SQL syntax; check the manual that corresponds to your MySQL server version for the right syntax to use near 'LIMIT 18446744073709551615' at line 1". Well, I guess anybody is lucky to be alive after an SQL syntax error...

Re:Great story! (1)

CastrTroy (595695) | more than 6 years ago | (#21580791)

I'm just trying to wonder what the query could be, and why even use the limit clause when the argument is so high. Seems like MySQL has no problem with interpreting such a large number in a limit statement based on my tests. Seems to me you can cause the error by putting the limit clause, directly after the word "WHERE", if you forget your where clause. Here's the working link [jhnews.com] . Seems all we had to do was remove the trailing slash.

Re:GPS can get you lost (1)

Faylone (880739) | more than 6 years ago | (#21580495)

All I see is a mySQL error

Re:GPS can get you lost (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21580553)

Yeah, uh, delete the '/'.

And save the SQL injection till after i've read the story plz :|

Re:GPS can get you lost (0, Offtopic)

graveyhead (210996) | more than 6 years ago | (#21580857)

You know that opportunity you just had to get an informative mod point from me?

Well you just lost it so I can tell you that your site is down :-P

Re:GPS can get you lost (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21580871)

Some locales unfamiliar to you that you shouldn't trust GPS in:

- North Philly (West Philly ain't too bad)
- Baltimore
- Detroit
- South LA/Compton

This from personal experiences. Especially yous international tourists.

there are no trucks in the UK (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21580335)

or truckers or truck stops or truck restrictions or truck GPS or trucking companies Lorry drivers and Lorries on the other hand we have plenty

Re:there are no trucks in the UK (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21580387)

Every day I go on /, some 15 year old Shittish or Banadian kid starts accusing America, americans, Bush, or some combination of the three of being Nazi's.

It was funny for a while, but now it's getting as annoying as Milhouse. So here's something to chew on.

Nazi = National Socialist Party
America = capitalist
Banada and Shittan = socialist

Nazi's hate jews, a lot.
If you believe any of the crap about the war on terror, stop reading now. The fact of the matter is that we're in the Middle East to protect Israel, so we may never leave.

We're helping the Jews, and that's pissing off Banada and Shittan, it's as if Banada and Shittan WANT Israel to be wiped off the face of the earth, for every jew to be shot and/or beheaded.

Socialism + Antisemitism = Nazism

In short: NO U!

Re:there are no trucks in the UK (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21580685)

Kill as many Muslims as you can.

I fucking hate Muslims, and Jews kill alot of Muslims.

I mean, arm a Jew with a helicopter or fighter plane and he will kill a ton of Muslims.

But nothing compares to putting a Jewish Zionist puppet in the White House and arm him with the greatest military ever!

Now that is alot of dead Muslims.

Re:there are no trucks in the UK (1)

stratjakt (596332) | more than 6 years ago | (#21580399)

How did it get to be called Lorry, because I thought the vehicle was invented as truck. And why the fuck would you capitalize it? I'm genuinely curious.

This is a local village... (5, Funny)

Aardpig (622459) | more than 6 years ago | (#21580357)

...for local people.

Re:This is a local village... (1)

oneiros27 (46144) | more than 6 years ago | (#21580505)

If I had the mod points, I'd give you one. (I was thinking 'local road, for local people', but close enough) ... but I don't think most Americans would get the reference.
Even when I try to tell people about it, they assume I'm talking about that movie with Sean Connery.
And of the people that I've tried showing it to, only 1 out of 5 was willing to sit through more than one episode.

Re:This is a local village... (1)

Etrias (1121031) | more than 6 years ago | (#21580575)

This is a local shop for local people. We'll have no trouble here.

Tubbs! Get the stirrups.

Classic.

Re:This is a local village... (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21580751)

You're not kidding.

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&time=&date=&ttype=&q=Barrow+Gurney,+Bristol,+North+Somerset,+United+Kingdom&sll=51.448099,-0.971502&sspn=0.010377,0.028539&ie=UTF8&cd=1&geocode=0,51.410097,-2.678620&ll=51.408218,-2.675305&spn=0.002597,0.007135&t=k&z=18&iwloc=addr&om=1 [google.com]

I grew up a couple of miles away in Backwell. Barrow is notable for having a secure mental hospital and a decent pub (these are two different institutions, unlike much of the West Country). The road is nuts - it's about as wide as a Kroger aisle, for US slashdotters - and as can be seen on the google image, drops in a couple of places to a single track with alternate traffic flow governed by lights. It's also got low stone walls along the sides for much of its length - anything getting stuck finds it almost impossible to reverse out (think articulated lorry/tractor-trailer) and can block the village for a couple of days, if I remember right.

Re:This is a local village... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21580763)

At least all those lorries have increased the brown fish population in the local river.

Easier to get off the no-fly list (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21580371)

I think the town might just have to get its name legally changed.

Straight out of the Simpsons Movie. (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21580375)

Coming up on your right... nothing.

So... (4, Funny)

Xeth (614132) | more than 6 years ago | (#21580379)

...basically, by misdirecting trucks via GPS, the machines now have a way to kill us.

Re:So... (1)

scottv67 (731709) | more than 6 years ago | (#21580673)

...basically, by misdirecting trucks via GPS, the machines now have a way to kill us.

I spent a portion of my afternoon working with various ultrasound machines in a hospital. Trust me, the machines already have a way to kill us. An evil ultrasound machine could decide to add a tumor to an image where a tumor doesn't exist (resulting in unnecessary chemo, radiation and surgery) or, worse yet, delete a real tumor from an image (resulting in the patient not knowing they have cancer).

Re:So... (2, Funny)

Xeth (614132) | more than 6 years ago | (#21580709)

Yeah, but the GPS-guided deathlorry can stalk you wherever you are.

Maybe if the ultrasound machines find a way to start luring unsuspecting humans into hospitals?

Re:So... (1)

JDevers (83155) | more than 6 years ago | (#21580773)

What if the evil GPS guided trucks were those mobile xray trucks...

so what if tele atlas change it? (2, Insightful)

timmarhy (659436) | more than 6 years ago | (#21580393)

there will still be millions of unit out there with the old maps.

they will need to find another solution. such as a no trucks sign and a cop with a bad attitude to hand out the tickets.

Easier solution (4, Insightful)

ucblockhead (63650) | more than 6 years ago | (#21580397)

1. Post sign at entrance to turn off that says "trucks over X lbs subject to 500 fine"
2. Station police officer 100 yards past sign.
3. Profit!

Re:Easier solution (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21580431)

fail for missing step ?
kill yourself faggot

Re:Easier solution (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21580493)

Then you'd also need a weigh station.

Re:Easier solution (1)

FooAtWFU (699187) | more than 6 years ago | (#21580555)

They have portable scales you can drive trucks onto. You can also invoke the magic words "gross vehicle weight".

Re:Easier solution (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21580573)

Roadside scales are available for reasons just like this.

Re:Easier solution (1)

Grayswan (260299) | more than 6 years ago | (#21580597)

What if a "truck over X lbs" needs to make a delivery in that city?

Re:Easier solution (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21580711)

How about GPS jammers? That'll force drivers to pay more attention.

Re:Easier solution (5, Funny)

abigsmurf (919188) | more than 6 years ago | (#21580741)

4. Get fined by the EU for using lb instead of kilograms

Re:Easier solution (1)

CrazyDuke (529195) | more than 6 years ago | (#21580747)

I remember a city that put a No-trucks-over-1-&-1/2-Tons-gross (AKA maximum wieght loaded) sign in one of it's industrial areas that bordered a neighborhood. LOL, so much for pickup trucks!

Adapt! (4, Funny)

4D6963 (933028) | more than 6 years ago | (#21580415)

Barrow Gurney, instead of trying to do away with this new source of traffic, adapt! Enjoy the opportunity of having all these truck divers going through your locality to develop your economy and move on to the next level!

Everyone knows a truck driver craves fornication with women. Have whores! Put some money into turning an old farm in dereliction into a brothel and import truckloads of east European prostitutes! Then build your economy around this, build hotels, fast-food restaurants, gynaecology clinics, and soon enough you'll be the city every European truck driver wants to stop in!

Very easy to deal. (2, Insightful)

PolarBearFire (1176791) | more than 6 years ago | (#21580439)

The request is totally unreasonable, information is not easily contained. A lot of roads are designated for non-truck use, if trucks don't obey signs, ticket the trucks, drivers, and companies they belong to. There's no need to create new laws and rules for such a simple thing.

moron requesting anything from corepirate nazis (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21580467)

it's a waste of time/energy. their greed/fear/ego based agenda does not change no matter how reasonable/sincere any request to do so might be. nothing to do with map makers of course?

meanwhile: unprecedented evile never sleeps

from the we're-still-planning-to-nuke-'em-anyway dept.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/12/02/AR2007120201637.html?hpid=opinionsbox1 [washingtonpost.com]

however, its task becomes less daunting when its minions are at 'work', emptying yOUR pockets.

http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/12/03/us.debt.ap/index.html [cnn.com]

micro management of populations has never worked (for very long). it's an illness. tie that with life0cidal aggression & gangster style bullying, & what do we have? a greed/fear/ego based recipe for disaster.

we're intending (do not underestimate the power of intentions) for the corepirate nazis to give up/fail even further, in attempting to control the 'weather'.

http://video.google.com/videosearch?hl=en&q=video+cloud+spraying [google.com]

the creators will prevail. as it has always been.

corepirate nazi execrable costs outweigh benefits
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Why it's not just a matter of signs (2, Insightful)

Artifakt (700173) | more than 6 years ago | (#21580477)

This being slashdot, I'm expecting lots of people to post either agreeing that a few road signs are all that's needed, or some sort of opposite position, like hide the signs behind bushes and then ticket the hell out of the truckers.
        The real problem is, for every trucker that actually is clueless and 'innocently' relies totally on the GPS info, there's another one who has heard the road is too narrow and difficult for trucks, but will try it anyway, and then claim he never heard any other driver say differently. The ones that will lie like hell about having foreknowledge are also the ones who will claim they made the decision to go that way based only on GPS info, and they assumed the GPS wouldn't mislead them. They may well claim that their dispatcher didn't say anything either, to shield their firm from potential liability, and try to make it look like the gadjet is the real source of the whole problem.
      Now what happens if the truck didn't just clip a historic building or two (Which are pence a dozen in the UK), but, e.g., ran over a kid?
      This is really about the difference in UK and US law. In the US, there are plenty of precedents that let the child's parents sue the trucker's firm, the GPS maker, or whomever has the deepest pockets. In the UK, there's much less ability to extend liability to someone only peripherally involved. A tangled mess of a case, with lots of arguments about just who is responsible for what percentage of total damages, tends to result in much more modest settlements there. One thing both locations share is that all too often average people tend to assume a computer based system doesn't make mistakes.
        This means the town may be playing it smart - take away the GPS info, and the driver has to justify his decision based on paper maps, talking with the corporate dispatcher, or some other source of info, and if that's not a computer, the driver can't weasel out of much by claiming he assumed the source of info was infallible.

Re:Why it's not just a matter of signs (0, Flamebait)

beelsebob (529313) | more than 6 years ago | (#21580539)

You seem to be assuming that British people would "play it smart". Oddly, over here, we don't try to arrange things for the biggest pay out, because we're not litigious bastards like Americans.

Re:Why it's not just a matter of signs (1)

Artifakt (700173) | more than 6 years ago | (#21580785)

Way to misinterpret! You were just looking for a chance to say something vicious, even when it's in response to a complement. The British legal system is designed to keep lawsuits focused more on the party primarily at fault. This community is proposing something that may help do just that, by keeping some guilty parties from using the "but its a computer -they're infallible!" distraction until the data is actually brought up to at least acceptable accuracy. That's smart. Not cynical or sardonic 'smart', but good, honest, authentic smart.
      Still, I will gladly never complement the UK again, since that seems to be what you want. Self-hate much?

Re:Why it's not just a matter of signs (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21580653)

Now what happens if the truck didn't just clip a historic building or two (Which are pence a dozen in the UK), but, e.g., ran over a kid?

Hmmm, who is responsible if a vehicle runs over a kid? Maybe the kid, depending on circumstances, but more likely THE DRIVER, and their insurance company. Drivers are supposed to look at the fucking road. Kids don't appear on GPS maps.

This is really about the difference in UK and US law. In the US, there are plenty of precedents that let the child's parents sue the trucker's firm, the GPS maker, or whomever has the deepest pockets.

Not really. The trucker's firm usually holds the insurance policy, and typically a firm is responsible for the acts of their employees while engaged in company business, so suing the firm is not unreasonable.

I'd love to see a case where they try to sue a GPS maker for running over a kid. Even in east Texas that will get laughed out of court.

Sound like a revenue opportunity! (1)

tap (18562) | more than 6 years ago | (#21580509)

  1. Draft a local ordinance with a big fine for driving an oversized vehicle on a road where they are prohibittied.
  2. Prohibit oversized vehicles on said road.
  3. Profit
There are small towns that exist only to serve as speed traps on highways. They incorporate near a highway and lower the speed limit to 25 mph. The only service the town provides is a police force. The only thing the police force does is write speeding tickets. Their only sounce for income is from these speeding tickets. This income is only spent providing huge salaries to the police force.

I can see truck traps being intentionally created. Find a back road that a sat nav sends trucks down. Incorporate there, narrow the road, start fining trucks.

I know this place (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21580535)

Its fairly near to me and I agree with the residents...

It is a death trap and its not just lorries, its tourists who are getting from the west country to bristol. Its a great shortcut between two major roads, but it was not designed for the amount of traffic that gps sends through. They have seen MAJOR increases in traffic since gps became popular.

The roads are built like they are for horse and cart. They wind up and down and they are very narrow with no pavement, people do die there.

Real reason (1)

Grayswan (260299) | more than 6 years ago | (#21580625)

Why arent' the roads big enough for sidewalks? I bet they could put in sidewalks if they wanted to (to avoid accidents), but they'd rather keep the excuse to keep out trucks.

Re:Real reason (2, Informative)

the Dragonweaver (460267) | more than 6 years ago | (#21580775)

Have you ever *been* in Britain? There's places where the roads are narrow because the centuries-old buildings were put in when the road had to be wide enough to accomodate cows. If they say the roads are too narrow for sidewalks, I'd assume there's literally no escape on the sides.

Re:Real reason (3, Informative)

henni16 (586412) | more than 6 years ago | (#21580855)

Why arent' the roads big enough for sidewalks?

Because there might be houses or lots of private property in the way?

There's lots of old towns with roads so narrow that just a single car can pass; horses weren't that fat when those were built.

http://maps.google.com/maps?q=+Barrow+Gurney&hl=en&oe=UTF-8&ie=UTF8&t=h&z=13&om=1 [google.com]

Superlorry (2, Informative)

piltdownman84 (853358) | more than 6 years ago | (#21580645)

This article's timing is very interesting given all the talk about 'superlorries' in the uk press this week. The 'superlorry' is a 60-tonne vehicles, that will fit 60% more goods than the current big trucks in the UK. The government is considering allowing them in the UK, and according to BBC this morning they are currently on test at some small airport. The haulage companies say if approved they will only operate on motorways, but groups are already concerted about these trucks going through small towns, much like this story. Here is an article from the Times: http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/industry_sectors/transport/article2943573.ece [timesonline.co.uk]

For the GPS dependent... (1)

rastoboy29 (807168) | more than 6 years ago | (#21580655)

Please learn to read maps.  It's really not that hard.

I don't know how many people I've given perfect directions to, only to have them throw them out to trust their super duper GPS unit and end up on the other side of town.

What's really annoying is they sit there and let me give them directions, knowing full well they will ignore them.

Stupid bastards.

Re:For the GPS dependent... (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21580727)

luddite cunt

Re:For the GPS dependent... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21580869)

I don't know how many people I've given perfect directions to...
I don't know how many people have tried to give me directions, when I have a perfectly good map. Usually, the halfwits who think they're giving me "perfect" direcions think reading a map is some secret skill learned only by a few, and can hardly keep the cardinal directions straight much less recognize that roads and landmarks change over time.

"Go East past where the old red barn was until I was 12 years old, and take your second left. Then continue South for a couple of minutes..."

What's really annoying is they sit there and try to give me directions, even after I've told them I will ignore them.

I have the solution! (4, Funny)

hellfire (86129) | more than 6 years ago | (#21580729)

Make a bypass! Problem solved!

What? There's a house in the way? You say it's owned by Arthur Dent?

I'll get the byzantine paper trail started, go tell Prosser to fire up the bulldozer.

New product feature? (1)

remohomer (105516) | more than 6 years ago | (#21580731)

sounds like a problem in need of a solution.

The US does better in one respect (1)

russotto (537200) | more than 6 years ago | (#21580757)

US truck routing programs like PC*Miler and IntelliRoute DO know about truck restrictions. Which means that on the Main Line in Pennsylvania, which has many train bridges less than 13" 6' above the roadway (one has under 9 feet clearance!), it's usually rental trucks which hit them rather than the big commercial ones...

and the seaport renamed Pirate Town (1)

Sitnalta (1051230) | more than 6 years ago | (#21580807)

I support this if they rename the town to Ninjaville.
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