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Firefly Lives - New Comics in 2008

Zonk posted more than 6 years ago | from the told-you-they-couldn't-take-the-sky-from-me dept.

Sci-Fi 117

gambit3 writes "'Serenity: Better Days' will be released as a 3 part comic in early 2008. The series is a step back in time to the early years of the Firefly crew, and the fledgling gang's turbulent attempts to cope with success after they pull off their first successful heist. It features the same creative team as Those Left Behind, with the story by Joss Whedon and Brett Matthews, art by Will Conrad, and Adam Hughes providing all three covers this time." Ironic, considering today's brand-new poll.

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same shit, different story (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21620917)

A few years ago, while browsing around the library downtown, I
had to take a piss. As I entered the john a big beautiful all-American
football hero type, about twenty-five, came out of one of the booths.
I stood at the urinal looking at him out of the corner of my eye as he
washed his hands. He didn't once look at me. He was "straight" and
married - and in any case I was sure I wouldn't have a chance with

As soon as he left I darted into the booth he'd vacated,
hoping there might be a lingering smell of shit and even a seat still
warm from his sturdy young ass. I found not only the smell but the
shit itself. He'd forgotten to flush. And what a treasure he had left
behind. Three or four beautiful specimens floated in the bowl. It
apparently had been a fairly dry, constipated shit, for all were fat,
stiff, and ruggedly textured. The real prize was a great feast of turd
- a nine inch gastrointestinal triumph as thick as a man's wrist.

I knelt before the bowl, inhaling the rich brown fragrance and
wondered if I should obey the impulse building up inside me. I'd
always been a heavy rimmer and had lapped up more than one little
clump of shit, but that had been just an inevitable part of eating ass
and not an end in itself. Of course I'd had jerk-off fantasies of
devouring great loads of it (what rimmer hasn't), but I had never done
it. Now, here I was, confronted with the most beautiful five-pound
turd I'd ever feasted my eyes on, a sausage fit to star in any fantasy
and one I knew to have been hatched from the asshole of the world's
handsomest young stud.

Why not? I plucked it from the bowl, holding it with both
hands to keep it from breaking. I lifted it to my nose. It smelled
like rich, ripe limburger (horrid, but thrilling), yet had the
consistency of cheddar. What is cheese anyway but milk turning to shit
without the benefit of a digestive tract?

I gave it a lick and found that it tasted better then it
smelled. I've found since then that shit nearly almost does.

I hesitated no longer. I shoved the fucking thing as far into
my mouth as I could get it and sucked on it like a big brown cock,
beating my meat like a madman. I wanted to completely engulf it and
bit off a large chunk, flooding my mouth with the intense, bittersweet
flavor. To my delight I found that while the water in the bowl had
chilled the outside of the turd, it was still warm inside. As I chewed
I discovered that it was filled with hard little bits of something I
soon identified as peanuts. He hadn't chewed them carefully and they'd
passed through his body virtually unchanged. I ate it greedily,
sending lump after peanutty lump sliding scratchily down my throat. My
only regret was the donor of this feast wasn't there to wash it down
with his piss.

I soon reached a terrific climax. I caught my cum in the
cupped palm of my hand and drank it down. Believe me, there is no more
delightful combination of flavors than the hot sweetness of cum with
the rich bitterness of shit.

Afterwards I was sorry that I hadn't made it last longer. But
then I realized that I still had a lot of fun in store for me. There
was still a clutch of virile turds left in the bowl. I tenderly fished
them out, rolled them into my handkerchief, and stashed them in my
briefcase. In the week to come I found all kinds of ways to eat the
shit without bolting it right down. Once eaten it's gone forever
unless you want to filch it third hand out of your own asshole. Not an
unreasonable recourse in moments of desperation or simple boredom.

I stored the turds in the refrigerator when I was not using
them but within a week they were all gone. The last one I held in my
mouth without chewing, letting it slowly dissolve. I had liquid shit
trickling down my throat for nearly four hours. I must have had six
orgasms in the process.

I often think of that lovely young guy dropping solid gold out
of his sweet, pink asshole every day, never knowing what joy it could,
and at least once did, bring to a grateful shiteater.

Re:same shit, different story (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21620991)

That was a truly moving account of love lost.

Re:same shit, different story (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21621243)

Not too long ago I caught a TV news story about the JonBenet Ramsey mess out in Colorado. I'd read about the episode earlier in the NY Times, and aside from a certain revulsion to the sordid details I'm certain all readers felt, I really hadn't reacted to or thought much about the case. But there on the TV screen was footage of JonBenet herself performing at a pageant- all dolled up in mascara, lipstick, pearls, vamping for the camera, and to be perfectly blunt about it, using some very adult sexual cues. It then crossed my mind is it entirely inappropriate that a healthy adult male respond to sexual stimuli that mimic almost perfectly those of a healthy adult female?

Note that I used the words "respond to" not the words "act upon" - the distinction is crucial. It's obviously not appropriate for anyone to have sex with a child that young, but is it wrong to desire it, or at any rate to manifest some of the symptoms of that desire?

Consider the following hypothetical situation A man is sitting in front of a roaring fireplace after a superb evening meal, enjoying the last glass of '86 Latour. There is absolutely nothing on his mind more serious than trying to decide between a snifter of Remy Martin Napoleon or Hennessy X.O. cognac. Outside a horrible winter storm rages. Nursing the last sip or two of wine, he crosses the room to a window near the liquor cabinet and amuses himself for a short while by watching the helpless passers by several stories below bending over against the wind, wading through slush, falling on the ice, etc. . He pours a generous snifter of cognac and before returning to his fireside armchair punches a TV remote to catch a weather update. Sipping his cognac, he nods off to sleep and awakens just in the middle of the JonBenet news story. Not knowing of the horrible crime committed, he watches her little pageant number, entranced. At the end of the number she turns and faces the camera, smiles and ever so subtly lip-syncs the words "fuck me". Now at this precise point in time and under these circumstances is it wrong for the man to feel his penis start to stiffen? It's an interesting question, but one I gave no more thought to till I caught a new product announcement in one of the European business journals I subscribe to.

It turns out that a German company, Cybernetika A.G., has completely cornered a heretofore unrecognized market with the introduction of their Cyber-Fraulein 3000 which has to be the world's most absolutely high-tech love doll. In fairness to the company, I should point out that their own literature stresses that the CF3000 is sold only to bona fide law enforcement agencies and penal institutions for the purpose of rehabilitating repeat criminal pedophiles. Well, we will see.

The customer base for the United States should prove interesting, for some marketing whiz at Cybernetika has made the doll a perfect life-size replica of, you guessed it, JonBenet Ramsey herself. Now German companies are not known for their sense of humor, macabre or otherwise, but when my tears of laughter had dried I realized I had to examine one of these dolls. I got a hold of Dieter von Stroelitz, executive V.P. of Cybernetika and was given the sad news, yes, at this time CF3000 is sold only to law enforcement agencies in the U.S., but in Europe the sales are a bit more "relaxed" as he put it. No problem, an old family friend is county sheriff in a midwestern state that shall go nameless. Call him "Earl", not his real name. Despite being law Earl has a great sense of humor, and has come through before with nifty toys like cans of mace and the odd submachine gun from a drug bust. A nice guy to know. I gave him a call and he said what the fuck, if he doesn't have to fork over any cash he'll get one. A couple of months later I get a call from him and he's laughing so hard he can hardly talk. "Get your ass out here to see this" is about all I can make out. I borrowed a buddy's Merc, grabbed a few bottles of Jack Daniels and got out of town on I-80, cruise set at 75 mph.

This doll is a piece of art. The skin and muscle tissue are a new DuPont polymer marketed as "Dermastyrene". The skin is eerily soft and lifelike. CF3000 uses thousands of small nichrome heating wires throughout the body that connect to a central heating element (110v. AC) that raises the body temperature to a nice 98.6 F. Reprocessed shark cartilage forms the "skeleton", and all joints are fully functional including jaws, neck, and hips. Even the internal organs are accurately represented by silicone filled sacs. Weight 68 lbs. , height 4'3". Hair is real, human, long and blond. JonBenet comes dressed in white anklet socks, cowboy boots, short blue denim skirt, white satin crotch less panties (!), light blue halter top, and beige cowboy hat. Hair and makeup are perfect. Additional outfits are available from the manufacturer. A small set of batteries (which recharge as JonBenet warms up) is provided for playback of about 30 recorded voice messages. A set of dip switches near the AC outlet control language (English, Norwegian, German, Swedish, or Dutch) and message playback mode Auto, Manual or Off. Auto provides random playback. In Manual mode a gentle tug on JonBenet's cute ponytail elicits a message. Some of them are real gems. "I'm wearing my crotch less panties just like you wanted Daddy" or "Ooooh, you're so BIG inside me Daddy" were two of my favorites. In both Auto and Manual mode occasional moans and whimpers are added. Sound quality is superb.

The company literature states that "all three of the sexual orifices are fully functional and incredibly lifelike." I asked Earl, "Hey, you give her a whirl yet?" He took a long pull from my last bottle of Jack and sneered at me, "Shit boy, I wanted to save her cherry for you." There remained the obvious problem of how to test this doll. We thought a little bit, and I asked him, "Who you got in the cells upstairs?" "Already working on it," he replied. There was a knock on the door and a junior deputy came in and handed Earl a file. He started thumbing through it. "Lets see, we got here one Rafael Hernandez, visiting us for grand theft auto and possession with intent to sell, his ass goes up to Joliet in a couple of weeks, two priors for sexual assault on a minor. He's our man!"

My job now was to prep JonBenet for sex. I plugged her in to warm up and found the 3 "body fluid" boxes. Each box held 20 or so plastic packets of fluid for each of her three orifices. There was a simulated saliva with a kind of minty odor for her mouth, a slimy goo labelled "vaginal lubricant", and an incredibly funky grease for her little butt hole. I put on latex gloves and applied the three packets as instructed. By now JonBenet was beginning to warm up nicely. Earl came back downstairs and let me in on the plan. There was a small kitchen and lounge on the first floor. A one way mirror in the lounge allowed officers to watch the room from a hidden hallway near the duty desk. Rafael had been told he could mop the kitchen in return for extra exercise room time, and had readily agreed. When JonBenet was fully warmed up I carried her to the lounge and had her "nap" on the sofa with her little blue denim skirt hiked up to reveal a generous portion of her white satin panties. The effect was damn good, I had to admit. Earl got one of the female officers to sit with Jon Benet and pretend to work on a crossword, while a deputy got Rafael in leg irons and led him down to the lounge and kitchen. When he came in the female officer whispered to Rafael, "Try not to make much noise, her parents were killed in a car wreck and we just finally got her asleep." Rafael nodded silently in reply. He began to putter around in the kitchen then started mopping the floor. After about 5 minutes another officer stuck his head in the lounge and addressed the female officer, "Martha, phone for you, line two". Martha said "Thanks" and got up and left the room, closing the door behind her. Rafael peeked through the kitchen doorway, nervously looking around. Earl and I watched through the one-way. Outside the lounge door six deputies waited with batons, pepper spray, and stun-guns. Rafael got a dust mop from the kitchen closet and started pushing it around the lounge floor till he was next to JonBenet's sofa.

"He's gonna take the bait, I can feel it", said Earl.

Rafael sure as hell looked nervous. Beads of sweat on his forehead, licking his lips, his eyes darted about the room.

"Look, he's got a hard on", I whispered.

"Earl counted, "One, two, three..."

At 3 1/2 seconds Rafael let out a subhuman cry, dropped the dust mop, and grabbed JonBenet by the throat, picked her up, and slammed her head against the top of a heavy oak table.

The blow would have easily killed a 6 year old. Rafael dragged her waist up to the table edge, tugged her panties down (I guess he was too eager to notice they were crotchless), unzipped himself and got down to business.

"When do the cowboys come in?" I asked Earl.

From the look on Rafael's face, that wouldn't take too long. After less than five minutes of furious strokin', he pulled out and shot three monster wads across her peach fuzz, denim skirt, and halter top. He pushed the body forward on the table and rolled her over on her side with her ass near the table edge. He dropped to his knees and started tonguing her little butt hole.

"Get him", Earl barked into his radio. The lounge door burst open and Rafael stood up and tried to get his tool back in his trousers, but the two deputies with stun guns were on him too fast. After a few zaps Rafael was on the floor, and the stun gun detail stepped quickly aside. Three deputies with batons worked him over while one with pepper spray stood off to one side shooting the liquid in his eyes and mouth as he screamed. When they figured all the fight was out of him, they stood him up and cuffed his hands behind him. Martha, who had been "baby sitting" JonBenet went over to her and felt her wrist.

"I'm not getting a pulse", she announced.

"I didn't mean to kill her, so help me God!" Rafael pleaded.

Earl strode into the lounge while I stayed at the mirror. "Get that piece of shit back in his cell", he ordered. Two of the deputies hustled Rafael, penis still dangling from his fly, out of the lounge and over to the elevator. It didn't take too long for the general population to learn that he raped and killed a 6 year old girl while being trusted with cleaning duty. Poor Rafael, it seems he cut himself pretty bad shaving the next morning. Bled to death, in fact.

Earl had all sorts of plans to use JonBenet as a decoy in a couple of local spots. I would have loved to hang around and check it out, but my buddy needed his car back. Martha had cleaned up JonBenet and tested the heating and voice functions. All OK. You gotta hand it to the Germans, they really know how to build shit.

On the drive back east I got to thinking. While Cybernetika had built her as a rehabilitation tool, it seemed to me that CF3000 was going to be much more of a hit as an entrapment vehicle for police, unless some liberal shithead poo-poos it in court. Also, I had to get a hold of Dieter von Stroelitz at Cybernetika to formally request (beg) that CF4000 be a full sized copy of Princess Diana. There must be tens of millions of men who would love to bend Lady Di over the side of the bed, lovingly adjust her tiara, then ram their stiffy dog up her shit chute while she whimpers "Ooooh, don't be too rough with me my little budgie," in that lovely British accent.

Irony ? Coincidence (0, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21620969)

Please stop misusing "ironic."

A coincidence is not ironic. An airplane pilot who's afraid of heights is ironic.

Re:Irony ? Coincidence (5, Informative)

Futile Rhetoric (1105323) | more than 6 years ago | (#21620999)

It is "ironic" because the comic book form received 0% of the vote in that poll, yet it's the only one we get.

Re:Irony ? Coincidence (1)

mauthbaux (652274) | more than 6 years ago | (#21621071)

A comment from the poll in question is likely what caused this story to be posted anyway. []
  So we can't really call it a coincidence either.

Re:Irony ? Coincidence (1)

Torodung (31985) | more than 6 years ago | (#21621599)

Ruh roh. Someone in the marketing department failed their saving throw vs. "geek."

Dead last in the highly accurate and scientific poll. Wow.


Re:Irony ? Coincidence (2, Insightful)

MoriaOrc (822758) | more than 6 years ago | (#21622605)

I'd say it's more likely a "better anything then nothing at all" scenario. Movies and TV shows are pretty high budget, especially TV shows with a lot of fancy special effects like Firefly. Comic books are relatively cheap, and they've done a few comics in the past so it probably wasn't to hard to get the rights to do more.

On a lighter note, I wouldn't say dead last. It's a pretty heated race for 2nd from the bottom between "Video Game" and "Comic Book."

Re:Irony ? Coincidence (1)

Al Al Cool J (234559) | more than 6 years ago | (#21624871)

I wouldn't say dead last. It's a pretty heated race for 2nd from the bottom between "Video Game" and "Comic Book."

Then it's doubly ironic, as there is indeed a Firefly MMORPG in the works.


Taco Meat (1104291) | more than 6 years ago | (#21621631)

I have again been the victim of moderator abuse [] . MOD me up to correct this injustice. Mod me down if you think I am a moron. Of course, in the immortal words of PeeWee: "I'm rubber and you're glue, whatever you say bounces off me and sticks to you".

Too many moderators use Insightful as "I agree". Too many moderators fall for unoriginal groupthink and mod it up. People complain about trolls, but the REAL line noise on slashdot comes from the posts modded +4 or +5 that contribute NOTHING to an intelligent discussion. You can't filter that out, and even if you have your thresholds set high, you still see all the stupid stuff that you've already seen. That's why digg sucks and will never be anything but a place for 1338 high-skool haxx0rs. And it's happening here. So I used this account to call shenanigans on sucky posts. I getted modded into oblivion for pointing out truth. I guess that's how it goes. Most of you are a bunch of mindless sheeple.

You know, I once suggested that IQ tests be given to moderators to separate the wheat from the chaff. I think that wouldn't help. I kind of like having idiot moderators. MORONS! DOPES! Bring it, tubers!


Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21625653)

I know this is just responding to trolling spam (what do you do that warrants having NO life?) but the moderation system at /. is one of the most effective on the internet, with the sole exception that things labeled as offtopic or troll are never fully removed. Keep complaining dude, but you are really preaching to the choir.
You might want to try something productive, like a REAL hobby...


pilbender (925017) | more than 6 years ago | (#21626527)

Taco Meat,
      You're going to continue to be modded down by posting the same thing over and over. I know this account was not intended to be a trolling account for you. I remember your early posts. You ended up being modded down for a couple of benign posts a while back, I don't even remember them now. We *ALL* have had problems with moderation at some point and I'm no exception.
      I even had negative karma for a while. It happens to the best of us. I also don't rely on moderation when I'm reading Slashdot, I use friends and friends of friends to change moderation ratings. I watch for people I like to hear. I "foe" people I get sick of reading. It really works well and I don't rely on others to determine what I'm going to read. What I've done really cuts down on the noise. I may like a person, but if they post too much noise I remove them from by friends list because my purpose here is to learn and gain insight efficiently.
      Once you've spent some time tweaking Slashdot, it really can be a nice forum with good information and good comments to read. The trick is to learn how to filter effectively. Personally I set friends to +6, I set friends of friends to +3 and I set my threshold to 4. I always see what friends have to say and I see what friends of friends have to say if they have good karma.
      Karma doesn't matter at that point. Slashdot then becomes a utility for learning. Who cares if you're popular or not. With what I'm doing it becomes more serious and enjoyable because I don't see all the noise makers, teenagers, trolls, karma whores and popularity mongers. I forget they even exist.
      Just some thoughts for you. Stop worrying about it and move on. Use the tools here to make it useful. Only post when you have something to say and karma (if you're still concerned about it) will take care of itself.

Good luck!


Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21627635)

I know this account was not intended to be a trolling account for you. I remember your early posts. You ended up being modded down for a couple of benign posts a while back, I don't even remember them now. We *ALL* have had problems with moderation at some point and I'm no exception
check out his post history, he's done nothing but troll this whole time. forget the mods- look at his posts- every damn one of them is offtopic or trolling. half that page is filled with pretty much the same post again and again and again.. he doesn't add anything insightful or interesting to anything he posts, it s just whining about how the mods down modded him for the 407th time for posting the same freaking post over and over again. the whole thing that started this was a post he made- lets take a look shall we?

Good grief. Let's dissect this post: 1) misspelling of ridiculous. I don't know why, but when someone spells it rediculous, I lose respect for them. Still hooked on phonics or something? Of all the typos, that's one of the "Hey, everybody! look, I'm a moron" ones. 2) Groupthink. Not a single original thought. Hey everybody, did you know that M$ uses vaporware to dissuade competition? I'll bet you didn't! Hey, I knew a guy who read Microserfs! 3) Wrong application of said groupthink. This is not a case of vaporware. It's just some guy working for MSFT who has yet another lame idea. Those are nothing new from Redmond. 4) even your sig, "My Karma ran over your dogma."...geez, see any other interesting bumper stickers lately?
there's not one thing in his entire post that contributes anything of value to the discussion, it's just him attacking the parent post above him. That post was THREE FREAKING WEEKS AGO AND HE IS STILL POSTING ABOUT IT. He's made so many commonts about this one post that I can't even find the rest of anything he says...

if he's till reading this, my advice is to move on you get good and bad mods, everyone does but not all of us spend our entire free time bitching about them. we keep posting and hopefully the worse mods leave us alone.


Taco Meat (1104291) | more than 6 years ago | (#21629161)

Thanks for the reply.

You are absolutely correct. I did not create this account for trolling. It just kind of ended up being that way. This account was really created as a pseudo [] to my real account, which shall remain nameless.

So why would I create a pseudo when I have a perfectly good account (with excellent karma, too)?

Well, sometimes the groupthink gets a little intense around here. So my the persona behind the pseudo comes at life from a different perspective. Often times I agree with the general opinion around here. But even when you agree with something, you see people who agree with you for the wrong reasons, which is the very essence of groupthink. I hate that.

Another good reason to create this pseudo: maybe you hold a certain opinion about something despite knowing that your opinion is somewhat flawed, or maybe you are at least aware of and find merit in the counterarguments. I use this account to argue against my own perspective sometimes. I guess maybe it's the mental exercise. Maybe it helps me to deal with cognitive dissonance when I can disprove my own beliefs about something. But it certainly keeps me sharp trying to defend a position that is not my own. It has actually been mind opening, kind of like debate class when you had to argue for something you don't agree with.

I guess one other fringe benefit was that I got to trade insults with Arapahoe Moe. He is someone who trolled my real account, so I started unleashing the most insane, random, and vile insults I could muster up. You should read some of our flame wars, I still do when I need a laugh. They are hilarious, both of us came up with some good insults. We did that behind the play, so to speak, so we never really got modded down for it. It was great fun, and when I thought I would kill this account off I told him it was all in jest and made him a friend.

But why the pseudo? I saw fit to create a pseudo so my real account wouldn't have a split personality. There are no /. policies that I am aware of that prohibit more than one account, and I have never modded my own account. If I am trying to assume a different role, then a new account seemed justified.

But then I started to get modded down for saying things that weren't really incorrect. I started getting modded down for stuff that merely went against the grain, stuff *I* don't think was poorly argued. And then I saw the guy (whose post I replied to and pointed to in many of my rantings, James Rose or something) who posted absolute drivel and got modded to +4 insightful. It was absolute crap, and his sig was bumper sticker philosophy all the way. So I lashed out and told him what an idiot he was and got modded down while his inane babblings got modded up. It kind of came to me that even when reading /. even at +3 or higher, you still get the line noise that adds nothing to the discussion. It's just newcomers parroting the same old trite arguments everyone has already argued. It's karma whoring, but it's more. This is supposed to be a place that we can go to learn stuff, as you posited. And yet with total crap that gets modded up, that becomes difficult. So I decided I would rant about it for a while.

The trolling as of late is getting old, though. It's starting to run its course. Though while some people have replied telling me to get a life, I actually have a very busy life. I haven't posted much with my real account as of late. I just enjoy seeing how darn angry people get at my posts. Yes, it's line noise that people like you have to deal with, people who have been interested in things I have said in the past. Sorry for that. But it has been downright amusing just how angry the responses have been. All because of offtopic rantings on an online forum! Ha, and I am the one who needs to get a life! Are you aware that, to date, I have been moderated (mostly all downmodded) about 25 times? That's not the kicker, this is: my starting score is -1! That means about 25 people have been so annoyed by my whining that they have seen fit to mod me down (and thus waste a mod point) despite the fact that it means nothing! -1 is the floor for scores on posts! As a moderator, you get five mod points per shot. That means that I have totally neutralized five moderators despite the fact it is TOTALLY unnecessary to downmod my posts. Do you find that as interesting as I do? What's more is that almost without exception, the people who replied to my posts all got modded down just for replying to me telling me what an idiot I am. So the people who saw it as being so necessary to tell me off got burned too. Even funnier, and I am now content to let it rest so you won't have to hear the line noise.

I was just going to abandon this account and focus back on my real account. But now I have yet another purpose for this account. I think I'll use this handle for yet another interesting experiment. I am the equivalent of an untouchable around here. People get modded down for simply talking to me. I get modded down when there is no point to do so. I wonder if my karma can ever be restored? How forgiving (or forgetting) are the /. mods (assuming they are still going to be used as mods)? Yet another interesting experiment, if I do say so myself.

This account always has been kind of a social experiment. So, here's one more: Can I bring myself back in the black? I am gonna try hard. I will start actually contributing to discussions in a meaningful way.

Let's see what happens. Stay tuned!

Re:Irony ? Coincidence (1)

The Archon V2.0 (782634) | more than 6 years ago | (#21621169)

It is "ironic" because the comic book form received 0% of the vote in that poll, yet it's the only one we get.

So we can use a poll to alter the accuracy of the article text? This is a million times better than tagging! I support development of this reality-by-consensus feature until we get to the point where we can poll the MPAA and RIAA into oblivion. (Unfortunately, knowing Slashdotters, we'd probably just unwittingly fuse them into the CowboyNeal Association of America.)

Re:Irony ? Coincidence (1)

GwaihirBW (1155487) | more than 6 years ago | (#21628129)

(Unfortunately, knowing Slashdotters, we'd probably just unwittingly fuse them into the CowboyNeal Association of America.)

How is this unfortunate? I, for one, [would] welcome our, uh, assimilated(?) possibly-robotic overlord!

Re:Irony ? Coincidence (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21621143)

I'm an airplane pilot who's afraid of heights. Nice to be used as an example!

Re:Irony ? Coincidence (1)

3.14159265 (644043) | more than 6 years ago | (#21624147)

what a coincidence :)

Re:Irony ? Coincidence (0, Offtopic)

ZombieRoboNinja (905329) | more than 6 years ago | (#21621173)

I believe this Firefly comic is a PERFECT example of the permanent parabasis of the allegory of tropes [] , thank you very much!

Re:Irony ? Coincidence (1)

PolarBearFire (1176791) | more than 6 years ago | (#21622063)

Dude, you're so true! It's totally about that thing you said! //I don't get it, I've nothing to do so I checked out the link, I can't even figure out what they're trying to sell. ??

Re:Irony ? Coincidence (1)

NoPantsJim (1149003) | more than 6 years ago | (#21622195)

from the link:

"I suggested above that we might think of the ball in the soccer metaphor as a quasi-technology, as that site where multitudinous forces are catalyzed and converge. Neither subject nor object in the traditional sense, the ball acts much like language when we are sensitive to the ethico-rhetorical dimensions of linguistic performance."

Hey man, can I buy some of your drugs?

Re:Irony ? Coincidence (1)

scottrocket (1065416) | more than 6 years ago | (#21621367)

Ironic has many definitions, & many forms. Take that, Bender.

Kaylee agrees with Bender (2, Funny)

MojoStan (776183) | more than 6 years ago | (#21623135)

I can't be the only shmuck who thought about Bender after watching Kaylee's disagreement with Simon:
  1. Simon: Fun? Right. I, uh-- I consider this fun. It's fun being forced to the ass end of the galaxy... to get to live on a piece of luh-suh wreck... and eat molded protein, and be bullied around by our... [Speaking Chinese] of a captain. That's fun.
    Kaylee: Luh-suh?
    Simon: Sorry?
    Kaylee: Serenity ain't luh-suh.
    Simon: No, I.. I didn't mean...
    Kaylee: Yeah, you did. You meant everything you just said.
    Simon: Well, no. Uh, actually I was being ironic... so in-in the strictest sense...
    Kaylee: You were being mean... is what. And if that's what you think of this life... then you can't think much of them that choose it... can you?

  2. [After Bender trades his crotchplate to the Robot Devil for a huge airhorn in his nose slot, he blasts Leela's ears out as a joke.]
    Bender: Pretty annoying, huh Leela?
    Leela: (shouting) What? Are you talking? Oh God I'm deaf!
    Bender: Oops. I'm so so sorry Leela. I just wanted to annoy you.
    Leela: (shouting) What? Oh this is horrible. I won't be able to hear Fry's opera. [She starts to cry. The Robot Devil stands at the end of the corridor watching them.] Robot Devil: Ah how delightfully ironic.
    Bender: It's not ironic, it's just mean. Take this! [He blows the airhorn weakly.]
    Robot Devil: Ooh! Out of aerosol? Also ironic!
    Bender: Oh yeah? Well bite my shiny metal - [He points at where his crotchplate used to be. No ass left to bite.] (shouting) Oh nooo!

Re:Irony ? Coincidence (1)

Random BedHead Ed (602081) | more than 6 years ago | (#21624631)

Look at the results of the poll. In this case it is ironic. The poll shows (at least at the moment) that the community has overwhelmingly voted against a comic as the preferred vehicle of Firefly's return, and during the poll an article came up announcing the release of a comic. So it's not the coincidence that's ironic, but rather the disconnect between what's happening and what people seem to want.

Blah (2, Funny)

cephalien (529516) | more than 6 years ago | (#21621029)

I seem to be the minority, but I didn't find this series particularly engaging. In that context, I'm not surprised that they decided to go with a format that certainly costs less than a movie or a series, yet will still bring diehard fans in to buy it.

Re:Blah (1)

Futile Rhetoric (1105323) | more than 6 years ago | (#21621045)

I don't think this is a matter of them deciding to go with comic books over anything else, but rather a matter of not being able to pay for anything else.

Re:Blah (4, Insightful)

wizardforce (1005805) | more than 6 years ago | (#21621103)

I'm not surprised that they decided to go with a format that certainly costs less than a movie or a series, yet will still bring diehard fans in to buy it.
Indeed if it fails they are not out much except the respect of many of their fans. What concerns me is that the only thing worse than no Firefly series is a badly re-animated Firefly series.

Re:Blah (1)

Telvin_3d (855514) | more than 6 years ago | (#21621145)

I have to second the motion. There is something to be said for letting something go out with a bang. It had it's run, and while we might have wished it was longer, it is done. Dragging it on has nowhere to go but down.

Re:Blah (1)

double-oh three (688874) | more than 6 years ago | (#21621485)

It's not like Whedon's a spring chicken when it comes to storytelling. And it only went for 13 episodes (and a movie) out of a few planned seasons, so there are obviously still stories to tell.

Re:Blah (1)

TheSkyIsPurple (901118) | more than 6 years ago | (#21621559)

If it's anything like the ones already produced, this should rock.

The last ones told a good story, and bridged the gap between the series and the movie. The way the characters were different in the movie actually made sense.

Re:Blah (1)

jamstar7 (694492) | more than 6 years ago | (#21626853)

Except for Serenity pretty much slamming the door on future stories.

The comic book series is going back in time, just like Star Trek did. I probably won't read them, not really into comic books. I'll have my kid tell me how it went.

And for the record, I own the DVDs for both the Firefly series and Serenity.

Re:Blah (2, Funny)

stonedcat (80201) | more than 6 years ago | (#21621157)

I'll be sure to pirate my copy to show them how much their choice to save money pisses me off.

Firefly RIP.

Re:I bet you really didn't see the series (4, Insightful)

Macrat (638047) | more than 6 years ago | (#21621317)

You only caught it on TV, right? When some episodes were dropped and played out of order? Go rent the series and watch it for real. I think you'll be surprised at what you missed.

Re:I bet you really didn't see the series (2, Informative)

ghostunit (868434) | more than 6 years ago | (#21621697)

I'm of the same opinion as the gpp and did watch the entire series and the movie (I was sorta bored).

My theory is that most fans just really like Whedon's characters, cliches and style of dialogue. If you don't know what that is, you can see it repeated exactly in Angel, Buffy and Alien:Resurrection. Examples: no one can say anything straight, it's all got to be "witty". Martial arts are for some reason the greatest power in the universe. Every character is "bad" but would do all sorts of heroics to save a kitten (while cursing reluctantly of course... because they are bad!!), etc.

Basically, there's nothing particularly wrong with Firefly. It just lacks any sort of brilliance. The series ends up coalescing into a bland, insipid whole.

Re:I bet you really didn't see the series (1)

Nasarius (593729) | more than 6 years ago | (#21621729)

I don't know. I loved most of Buffy and Angel, and I was completely bored by Firefly.

But I am also a big fan of the Aaron Sorkin years of West Wing, so I guess that fits into your witty dialog theory.

Re:I bet you really didn't see the series (2, Interesting)

Fnkmaster (89084) | more than 6 years ago | (#21621779)

Weird, I'm not much of one for Buffy and think I watched one episode of Angel, but I loved Firefly.

Re:I bet you really didn't see the series (1)

RicoX9 (558353) | more than 6 years ago | (#21621799)

Funny - I loved Firefly. Started watching Angel and bought the entire series, loved it. Went back to Buffy, bought the first 3 seasons, got bored mid-season 3 and quit watching. I would catch Buffy every once in a while when it was on the air, but it didn't catch my attention then either.

Re:I bet you really didn't see the series (4, Insightful)

crashfrog (126007) | more than 6 years ago | (#21622215)

Yeah, count me another one who never saw the series until the DVD, saw them in order, whatever. I found it hackneyed and corny. Space-guns that make laser sounds, but look exactly like period Western firearms? Every space hooker has a heart of gold, particularly if they work at the Heart of Gold in an episode called "Heart of Gold"? And what the hell was with that assassin dude in the last episode? ("Am I a lion"? What? I was as confused as the doctor guy. Who the hell wrote that shit?)

Space/western fusion could be cool, and is, but Whedon seemed to only combine the parts of space opera and westerns that were lame and didn't make any sense outside of their genre. And also - yes, we've all seen Gina Davis in "The Long Kiss Goodnight" and watched "Dark Angel." We know that crazy amnesiac chicks who escape from government facilities have always been trained as assassins. Was there anybody in the entire world who didn't guess everything about River's back story after the second episode? That person is an idiot, if so.

Hackneyed, predictable, cliched, generic. There was nothing about Firefly that ever deserved its praise, which is why it had one season and BSG's coming back for a fourth. Cowboy Bebop is still the best space western show out there.

Re:I bet you really didn't see the series (4, Interesting)

Fweeky (41046) | more than 6 years ago | (#21623697)

Space-guns that make laser sounds, but look exactly like period Western firearms?
They didn't make me think "laser", they made me think "guns in the future use a different mechanism to propel their bullets". *shrug*.

Every space hooker has a heart of gold
Hm? There are maybe 4 fleshed out enough to make a vague assessment; two of them are trained "Companions" and not exactly hookers, one's a double-crossing bitch and one shoots the father of her child in the face at point blank range in front of him.

"Am I a lion"? What?
He's a nutcase. Like many nutcases he probably has some sort of auditory processing or sensory integration disorder (which would explain much of his other odd behavior). He mishears Simon and thus a non sequitur is born when he repeats what he thought he heard back. This isn't uncommon in real life.

Interesting characters like this was the entire point of Firefly for me. If you wanted a western, I can perhaps see why you were disappointed; I've never liked westerns.

Re:I bet you really didn't see the series (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21624049)

What the hell is a "laser sound"? And I serious doubt that *you* knew River's back story by the second episode. I think that *you* are the idiot.

Re:I bet you really didn't see the series (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21625733)

>Space/western fusion could be cool, and is, ...

No. It isnt, never was and never will be. It is utterly ridiculous bullshit. Being assimilated by the Borg would be a better concept for future than cowboys in space. 'One cant eat as as much as it makes you want to vomit' or something like that...

>There was nothing about Firefly that ever deserved its praise,


Re:I bet you really didn't see the series (1)

jamstar7 (694492) | more than 6 years ago | (#21626881)

Space/western fusion could be cool, and is, ...

No. It isnt, never was and never will be. It is utterly ridiculous bullshit. Being assimilated by the Borg would be a better concept for future than cowboys in space. 'One cant eat as as much as it makes you want to vomit' or something like that...

Funny you should mention that. Gene Roddenberry pitched Star Trek to Desilu & NBC by basically calling it 'Wagon Train in Space'. At the time, westerns were big bucks on tv.

Re:I bet you really didn't see the series (1)

Stefanwulf (1032430) | more than 6 years ago | (#21625893)

"Am I a lion"?
I'll grant you many of the episodes were really corny, and some were poorly done, but honestly I found "Objects in Space" to be one of the most well-written pieces of television I'd seen in years. Jubal made a fantastic counterpoint to River in that show, which itself was an exploration of the way in which we bring meaning to ourselves and the people and things we interact with -- as well as the ways in which that existentialism can be twisted when applied towards an end. The bounty hunter, in his attempts to purge meaning from his own life as a way of abdicating responsibility for his actions, ends up more accurately than most characters mirroring his own desires in the way he interprets the world around him. The idea of being a lion fits with his desire to put a sheen of honor over the killing he enjoys, and so that desire determines the meaning with which he imbues Simon's words.

Re:I bet you really didn't see the series (2, Insightful)

SanityInAnarchy (655584) | more than 6 years ago | (#21627041)

Martial arts are for some reason the greatest power in the universe.

Ok, this one I take issue with. Did you not see the gunfights?

And River is not a weapon because she's good at martial arts. She's a weapon because she can read minds, even unconsciously -- her martial arts (and gunplay, when she has a gun) are impossibly perfect.

So the rest of your points, I could debate for quite awhile, but it's really more a matter of opinion. (Example: Everyone does not always have to say it "witty", they do because that's what real people do. Quite frequently, they say it straight: "You turn on any of my crew, you turn on me. You did it to me, Jayne.")

But the bit about martial arts is pure bullshit.

Re:I bet you really didn't see the series (1)

JackieBrown (987087) | more than 6 years ago | (#21627429)

That was one of my favorite seens in the show. Those few minutes showed more about their characters than most shows display in a season.

Re:I bet you really didn't see the series (1)

vuffi_raa (1089583) | more than 6 years ago | (#21627235)

I have to say that I completely disagree- like battlestar and farscape firefly was a show that relied on atmosphere and characters rather than the good guys going after bad guys routine and did an incredible job of it- also on a more nerdly front one thing that I love is that firefly was one of the few shows that had no sound effects in space- which actually added to the atmosphere and suspense.

Re:I bet you really didn't see the series (2, Informative)

samkass (174571) | more than 6 years ago | (#21621699)

There was only 1 episode out of order, and I happen to think The Train Job made a better first episode than episode 1. The "dropped" episodes weren't dropped from the middle of anything... they're the ones that never aired because the show was canceled.

I agree-- buy the DVDs. Best DVD set evar, and great commentary (I love that they brought the costume designer in for a couple of them). But still, don't oversell its presentation of the storyline. It's pretty much the same as you saw on TV (right down to the resolution, since FOX didn't do full HD back then, only widescreen 480p), with a couple extra episodes.

Re:I bet you really didn't see the series (2, Informative)

Parafilmus (107866) | more than 6 years ago | (#21621893)

There was only 1 episode out of order...
Actually, several episodes were shown out of order. FOX aired them in this sequence: 2, 3, 6, 7, 8, 4, 5, 9, 10, 14, 1

(Wikipedia provides the air dates here: [] )

By putting episodes in the right order, the DVD set improved things considerably.

Re:I bet you really didn't see the series (4, Insightful)

unsigned integer (721338) | more than 6 years ago | (#21621911)

Also, the director commentary (Joss) for many of the episodes is great to listen to. I enjoyed 'Objects in Space' *more* after watching some of the hows and whys coming from Joss as the episode played along. It was really quite engaging.

You can see the basis for the long opening continuous shot in 'Serenity' at the end of this episode - something you don't /appreciate/ until you realize there were no cuts, no different cameras ... all one take. It was so subtle and well done that I hadn't realized what Joss was doing (had done) until he mentioned it in the commentary.

Firefly, canceled before finishing a full season. Does that seem right to you?

Re:I bet you really didn't see the series (1)

TheSkyIsPurple (901118) | more than 6 years ago | (#21621949)

>Firefly, canceled before finishing a full season. Does that seem right to you? Best comment evar!

Re:Blah (1)

module0000 (882745) | more than 6 years ago | (#21621723)

I suggest Kenny G to engage your enthusiasm.

Re:Blah (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21621905)

30% Funny
40% Troll
30% Interesting

a note to mods: modding something "troll", "flamebait" or "overrated" because you disagree is abuse.

Christina Hendricks on AMC's Mad Men (3, Informative)

mosel-saar-ruwer (732341) | more than 6 years ago | (#21622155)

Most slashdotters are probably aware that Morena Baccarin showed up on Stargate SG1, and that Jewel Staite is the new doctor on Stargate Atlantis, and some might even be aware that Summer Glau did a stint on CBS's The Unit, but the one who really caught my eye was Christina Hendricks, as the ne'er do well called "Saffron": []

So if you liked her work on Firefly, then you might be interested to learn that she's now got a gig as "Joan Holloway", the head of the secretarial pool, on AMC's "Mad Men": []

Let's just say that she's everything you remember from Firefly and then some.

Hubba. Hubba.

Re:Christina Hendricks on AMC's Mad Men (1)

MojoStan (776183) | more than 6 years ago | (#21623329)

and some might even be aware that Summer Glau did a stint on CBS's The Unit,
True story:

Last week I had the television turned on to Fox (I think NFL football) and wasn't paying attention to the commercials. Out of the corner of my eye I noticed Summer Glau (speaking in a "not quite right" way) in a promo for a new Fox science fiction-y type show. My hopes shot up through the two apartments above mine.

Could it be true? Is Fox bringing back Firefl...

It turned out to be a promo for Fox's new show Terminator: The Sarah Conner Chronicles [] . Glau plays a Terminator sent back in time to protect John. That's why she talks "not quite right."

It's a good thing I didn't have a gun in my hand because I think I would have shot my television Elvis-style.

Re:Christina Hendricks on AMC's Mad Men (1)

GwaihirBW (1155487) | more than 6 years ago | (#21628175)

I did virtually the same thing . . . In what has to be their first intelligent move, Fox must have been targeting Firefly fans - it was just too perfect. Of course, it is consistently evil to do so only to dash our fragile and easily-raised hopes. :-(

Hendricks getting work on "Life" too (2, Informative)

leftie (667677) | more than 6 years ago | (#21625791)

Hendricks has also done a couple episodes of NBC's new show Life. She's playing Damian Lewis' soon to be trophy wife stepmom.

New Poll... (1)

creimer (824291) | more than 6 years ago | (#21621075)

An electric bugaloo... is that like a cattle pod with more interesting options?

Re:New Poll... (1)

powerpants (1030280) | more than 6 years ago | (#21628757)

No, it's a magic dance move [] , and it's the only shot we have to save the community center.

Better Days (3, Interesting)

cybrpnk2 (579066) | more than 6 years ago | (#21621167)

I wish with all my heart they had made "Better Days" as a movie and "Serenity" as the comic. Firefly was the very best SF show ever on TV. To have short-circuited its comeback as they did with making the movie so very harsh was IMHO a wasted chance at a relaunch. Fot those of you that haven't yet gotten what all of the fuss is about, hey, Christmas is coming, get the DVD [] as a present to someone else and give it one more try. Firefly is the American Western mythos of the past presented in a Space-Age future. We need to remember the vibes it resonates on now more than ever.

Re:Better Days (1)

BlueF (550601) | more than 6 years ago | (#21621643)

Couldn't agree more!

Firefly was the very best SF show ever on TV
Serenity was such a huge disappointment after watching the show... Even more so considering that was the last we'll likely ever see in series/movie format.

Re:Better Days (1)

Shimmer (3036) | more than 6 years ago | (#21621675)


Like the Star Wars prequels, Serenity was so bad that it retroactively ruined the original series for me. The character of River, for example, lost all her charm. I can't watch the TV shows anymore.

Is Firefly the only SF show you've seen on TV? (0, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21621917)

Firefly was the very best SF show ever on TV.

Reading this, it was obvious to me that you've never seen Babylon 5 or Blake's 7. But then I began to wonder. Even the original Startrek was better than Firefly, which isn't really SF at all, just a cowboy series plus a spaceship.

Perhaps I'm being unfair. Maybe you've seen Startrek Voyager, and are comparing it with that, in which case we just have a difference of taste concerning which reasonable people may disagree.

Re:Is Firefly the only SF show you've seen on TV? (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21622389)

Reading this, it was obvious to me that you've never seen Babylon 5 or Blake's 7. But then I began to wonder.

I have. I've also bought the DVDs of Blake's 7. You should, too. You'll find an interview with Paul Darrow, I think somewhere in the Series 4 discs, which is rather fascinating. He's specifically asked about the attempted resurrections of the series, and he replies that it has already been done and it was done much better than "they" could have done it, in the form of Firefly.

Even the original Startrek was better than Firefly, which isn't really SF at all, just a cowboy series plus a spaceship.

You're not being unfair, as much as you are ignoring some basic facts. The original Star Trek was little more than a western set in space. Hell, Roddenberry even sold it as such. "Wagon Train to the Stars" sound at all familiar?

Re:Is Firefly the only SF show you've seen on TV? (1)

The One and Only (691315) | more than 6 years ago | (#21627871)

What Roddenberry sold it to the studios as and what it really was are two different things. Please, show me a Western that allegorically commented on the civil rights movement, the Vietnam War, and the Cold War. Show me a 1960's Western where respect for the diversity of all different cultures is an important theme. Westerns were very popular on 1960's television and the only way to sell a science fiction show was to sell it as a western, even when it was nothing of the kind. Roddenberry was in the business prior to Star Trek and knew damn well that television executives, then and now, are idiots.

Re:Is Firefly the only SF show you've seen on TV? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21629463)

60s westerns were just remakes of Japanese films, which were just remakes of kabuki anyways. Stop being so dramatic!

Re:Is Firefly the only SF show you've seen on TV? (1)

cybrpnk2 (579066) | more than 6 years ago | (#21623495)

B5, Blake's 7 - none of them comes close to the level of existentialism Firefly displayed in under a dozen eps. Firefly was just about the shortest run of a SF series EVER. It's not fair AT ALL to compare Firefly to a series like ST or B5 or B7 that went on for years or in the case of ST, for decades. Firefly existed for under 90 days in late 2002 and was broadcast out of order, etc etc etc. It shone like a Type 1a supernova - bright and fast. I just about die when I think of what Firefly could have become with seven seasons or 35 years. Go back and look at JUST THE FIRST ELEVEN EPS of each of those series and then tell me they were better than can't.

Re:Is Firefly the only SF show you've seen on TV? (1)

Reverend528 (585549) | more than 6 years ago | (#21623561)

For a real challenge, try to think of a scifi show that is worse than firefly. All I'm coming up with is the current bionic woman series.

Re:Is Firefly the only SF show you've seen on TV? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21626331)

This challenge is like naming an NFL team worse than the Patriots. Or an actor taller than Herve Villechaize. Or a woman more sexy than Linda Hunt.

Re:Is Firefly the only SF show you've seen on TV? (1)

jamstar7 (694492) | more than 6 years ago | (#21626953)

Even worse than the 'new' Bionic Woman is the 'new & improved' Flash Gordon. []

Re:Is Firefly the only SF show you've seen on TV? (1)

heinousjay (683506) | more than 6 years ago | (#21624809)

You know what Firefly is? It's Luc Besson through the eyes of Joss Whedon, ten years after Luc did it. It's an amalgamation of all Luc's characters, thrown in a western and set in space. With added bonus of the pantywaist male bitch (the extra sensitive doctor) that Joss can't seem to avoid writing in. Probably to represent himself, based on interviews he's given.

It wasn't even sci fi. It just had a sci fi setting. It would have been exactly the same show set in 1800s Oklahoma, and I still would have been bored watching it.

C....rap Get the zombie show gun ready. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21621191)

Always much harder to kill a zombie show. If that stupid show had just stayed on the air for a good 2-3 seasons, it would have been over. but No they had to kill it before it even started. They were just asking for the zomibification. bastards!

Re:C....rap Get the zombie show gun ready. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21621475)


Savage Negroes brutalize young White woman (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21621195)

In Maryland there recently was brutal racially motivated beating. This one is shocking everyone. Not only was the victim female, but the attackers were all 14-15 year old students! The reports claim that they were middle school students, which would mean that some have been held back a year or two.

The Negro students were riding a city bus to school, even though their school-issued bus passes had been revoked. When a 26 year old white lady entered the bus they told her she wasn't allowed to sit down. When she sat down anyway, nine black students viciously attacked her. She suffered serious injuries and had to be rushed to a nearby trauma center.

A spokeswoman for metro police, Jawauna Greene, claimed she didn't know if it was racially motivated. Not sure huh? What Jawauna Bet?

Read more about these savage Negroes []

you guys have issues. (-1, Troll)

Nar Matteru (1099389) | more than 6 years ago | (#21621437)

Oh noes, something I liked is going to a medium I am not familiar with. PANIC!!! It must be the creator taking the 'easy' way out for the creator, who is turning on us, the loyal fans, by saving money with a cheaper medium! How dare he betray us and ruin the series with these old fashioned paper printed materials!!!111one1 Get over yourselves. Whedon has always been into comic books, hes also taking over Runaways from Brian K. Vaughan (Ex Machina, Y: the Last Man) And he writes comics as well as he does screenwriting, but you guys just seem to hate the fact that its not what you're used to. If its done like Those Left Behind, same characters, personalities are exactly the same, everything except for the music is there (which I admit was a large element). Give shit a chance for Gods sake. Hasn't even come out yet.

Meh! (5, Insightful)

solios (53048) | more than 6 years ago | (#21621515)

I liked Buffy, I loved Firefly. I like comics. I make comics (okay not for a living thank gawd but that's not the point). The Buffy comics, in my opinion, are nowhere nearly as good as the series was. Could be pacing, could be the layouts (they don't help), could be the fact that one issue of the comic seems to cover a bizzaro combination of a quarter of an episode and half a season. Whatever it is, it's lacking.

So, meh. I don't want an artist's attempt at facsimiles of Mal and Jayne - I want more Nathan Fillion and Adam Baldwin. With shows like BTVS and Firefly, my enjoyment doesn't come from the script. The script is corn. My enjoyment comes from the actor's execution of that script. In comics, you don't have an actor giving a performance - you have a penciller (and then an inker, then a colorist) executing their impression of what they think the writer is trying to convey.

I hobby in comics, I've done bit parts in short films and web serials, I've made my own shorts - a great - or even a good - actor can make a passable pulp script a cult phenomenon. Anthony Stewart Head and Nathan Fillion are great examples of this. You cut down the creative team (as opposed to scale UP the creative team), and something gets lost in the process.

It's one thing to turn a comic book into a TV series or a movie - going the other way has always felt like a giant step backwards - not only do you lose the acting, you lose the cinematography and the editing, And even if all of that wasn't an issue, there's the fact that individual comic issues are as saturated with ads as a nuclear reaction chamber is with radiation - and with comics, the shift in visual style between comic content and ad content is even more jarring than it is with television ads or movie previews.

So, it might be good but as far as I'm concerned it won't actually be Firefly. If I'm lucky it'll be available in trade paperback by the time I'm finished with my reading list of comics that only exist as comics (currently plugging through The Invisibles as the spare change permits).

Re:Meh! (1)

Nasarius (593729) | more than 6 years ago | (#21621633)

The Buffy comics, in my opinion, are nowhere nearly as good as the series was. Could be pacing, could be the layouts (they don't help), could be the fact that one issue of the comic seems to cover a bizzaro combination of a quarter of an episode and half a season. Whatever it is, it's lacking.
Completely agree. I described them -- to a comic book store owner, as I was purchasing Angel: After The Fall -- as reading like bad fan fiction. He seemed to agree. I'm terribly disappointed that these are the official comics that Joss wrote. The Warren thing alone is an absurd, impossible rewriting of history, vastly alters Willow's actions at the end of Season 6, and is bizarrely out-of-character for Amy.

P.S. The Angel comic was funny, but otherwise not much better than Buffy Season 8.

Re:Meh! (1)

Toonol (1057698) | more than 6 years ago | (#21621747)

I half agree with you; the Angel comic is just as you described, bad fanfic. It also is cursed with terrible art. I don't know if I'm going to pick up any more issues. If I do, it will be just to keep my kids happy.

But I think the Buffy comic, particularly the last arc with Faith, is excellent in all the ways the Angel comic isn't. It really captures the feel of the show for me.

Re:Meh! (2, Informative)

Nar Matteru (1099389) | more than 6 years ago | (#21621653)

Well yeah, but moreso because people tend to fall in love with something the first way they experience it and less because of the acting (at least imo anyways) The acting and music does play a big part though. But this nonsense of people predicting its horribleness and claiming he's "taking the easy road" is just that, nonsense. And... I thoroughly enjoyed Those Left behind. True, it wasn't as good as the show, but I enjoyed it nonetheless. Saying that something is horrible and planning to pirate it just to steal money as revenge of them "being cheap" is a very stupid thing to do, especially before its come out.

Re:Meh! (5, Interesting)

freeweed (309734) | more than 6 years ago | (#21621725)

a great - or even a good - actor can make a passable pulp script a cult phenomenon. Anthony Stewart Head and Nathan Fillion are great examples of this

Man, I wish I could mod you +1000.

Sorry folks. I love Joss. Seriously love pretty much all the man has ever done. But without his cast, his work isn't 1% as good. Joss writes good. With the right actors he writes GREAT. Every comic I've read based on Whedon work has seemed like a sad attempt to cash in on a hot franchise.

Then again, I'm not into the 250 Star Wars Universe novels released every year, even though I love the movies. So take what I say with a mountain of salt. I'll hand in my Comic Book Guy badge now :)

Re:Meh! (2, Funny)

Bill, Shooter of Bul (629286) | more than 6 years ago | (#21621749)

I'm pretty anti grammar Nazi ( and anti hyphen, but thats another diatribe), but it does warm my heart when fans say things like "Joss writes good." The Freudian slip of grammar in that statement is unbelievably awesome. I couldn't have said it gooder myself.

Re:Meh! (1)

Karrde45 (772180) | more than 6 years ago | (#21621775)

There's something to be said about a writer/producer being good at picking talent. It's true that bad actors could have ruined the series, but Joss probably deserves a bit of credit for casting well. Just look at the difference between Star Wars episodes 4-6 and 1-3. Same writer, but one series was great and the other was trash, in large part (in my mind at least) due to the casting.

Re:Meh! (1)

GwaihirBW (1155487) | more than 6 years ago | (#21628249)

Er, another important bit is that in between, he went bat$#!7 insane. []
Need I say more?

It is true that both Anakins were atrocious . . . however, recall that Lucas really liked them! If his taste changed that much, his writing could have too! (Granted, he's never been good at dialogue . . . another major reason the originals were better is that Lucas got some help for Ep. V & VI - Lawrence Kasdan [] and Leigh Brackett [] . As part of the new insanity for 1-3, he backed away from that wise decision, writing his 'pure vision' without any meddling interference from anyone who could have rescued us.)

Re:Meh! (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21621889)

You're missing a lot with the existing comic. I bought the hard cover which had more art and the forward written by Fillion. Not only was a it a good story that did help bridge the gap to Serenity the movie, but they preserved much of the feeling those actors gave onscreen, the aura of their characters. I've never watched Buffy, never read those comics, I don't know how good or bad they are, but if you liked the Firefly series and the movie, you're really doing yourself a disservice by not picking up the trade paper back comic (the softcover is around 8 bucks).

comics already exist... (4, Informative)

Joe the Lesser (533425) | more than 6 years ago | (#21621919)

Um, if you weren't aware, there was a firefly comic book already released years ago after the show but before the movie, that dealt with the timeline between the two.

The characters were drawn as the actors, and it was very well done, with a forward by Nathan Fillion.

Obviously not as good as the return of the show, but so long as the series makes profit off the air there is a chance it will return in some form or fashion.

Check it out []

Re:comics already exist... (1)

TriggerFin (1122807) | more than 6 years ago | (#21622937)

I've never been interested in Buffy books, Angel books, Star Trek books, Star Wars books, or any such thing.

I don't know if that's because it just isn't the actors, or because I was traumatized at a young age by Splinter of the Mind's Eye.

Jumping the shark (1)

Itninja (937614) | more than 6 years ago | (#21621853)

I loved FF as much as the next sci-fi fan. I watched the entire series several times. But, IMO, prequels are the last vestige of the marketing department. That one last chance to generate some revenue. Just let it go guys so I can grieve and get some closure.

Re:Jumping the shark (1)

Darfeld (1147131) | more than 6 years ago | (#21622891)

That's why every stories should begin at the beginning : so that no one can possibly be tempted to make prequels...

But unfortunately, I don't think even the bible is prequel-proof.

Re:Jumping the shark (1)

sapphire wyvern (1153271) | more than 6 years ago | (#21623853)

John Milton: Paradise Lost.

For a prequel, it's not bad! :D

Re:Jumping the shark (1)

Itninja (937614) | more than 6 years ago | (#21629263)

I would call that for a fan fic piece. lol

Re:Jumping the shark (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21623215)

I loved FF as much as the next sci-fi fan. I watched the entire series several times. But, IMO, prequels are the last vestige of the marketing department. That one last chance to generate some revenue. Just let it go guys so I can grieve and get some closure.
I actually see this as a good sign (the comics being prequels). I have no interest whatsoever in the Firefly comics or prequels. I'm only interested in Firefly sequels in television or movie form. Therefore, I think it's great that they're lumping the two lame ideas together. If the new comics continued the story where the movie left off, I think that would ruin any future Firefly television episodes or movies.

Of course, I'm probably pretty pathetic for keeping my hopes up.

There's actually a past. (3, Interesting)

SanityInAnarchy (655584) | more than 6 years ago | (#21627137)

Most prequels suck, I think, because there's really no reason for them. They've run out of things to do in sequels, and they're looking for another direction to expand that universe, but it doesn't work, because it kind of ruins the originals. (Example: Star Wars. It's kind of hard to watch the originals after watching the prequels, and kind of hard to watch the prequels, period.)

But think about it -- the first few minutes of Serenity were a prequel, after all. And there actually is a ton of story there, maybe written out, maybe not.

Example: What did Book do before he was a Shephard, and why does the Alliance like him so much? Where else can you find out, except in a prequel or a flashback?

How did Mal come to side with the Independents, anyhow? Why did Inara leave House Madrassa? Why was the Alliance formed?

I'd much rather have a sequel, but unlike you, I'm not ready to kill it off. I want more Firefly, because I'm convinced the show was good enough that it wouldn't jump the shark. Think about it -- would Firefly really suck as much as Star Trek did after 7 seasons?

Re:There's actually a past. (1)

GwaihirBW (1155487) | more than 6 years ago | (#21628311)

Example: What did Book do before he was a Shephard, and why does the Alliance like him so much? Where else can you find out, except in a prequel or a flashback?

That's the biggest mystery of the series (OK, it's as obvious that he was a hunter-killer like the guy in Serenity as it was that River was trained as a super-assassin early in Firefly . . . but there's no *solid* evidence, and it *could* be anything), and one of the things I am most dying to know more about . . . but it's also the most important one to leave mysterious, because that's where it gets its power. It was awesome to slowly realize what we can surmise during my first viewing of Serenity, though.

Inara, though, has serious prequel potential. I'm really ticked that he had to take the cliffhanger ending from Season 1 and run it into the final movie, because that was shaping up to be an awesome ongoing issue in Season 2 . . . we can only go backwards now. :-( It was the right thing to do in the circumstances, but curse Fox for forcing his hand!

mod do3N (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21622069)

shi7? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21622119)

Name On the jar of volatile world of

I really love Firefly... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21623539)

... and I really hate comic books and "graphic novels".

Not sure if this is a step forward or back, but it's for sure "the least we could hope for".

SImilarity to cowboy bebop series. (0, Troll)

pheldens (990493) | more than 6 years ago | (#21623811)

It's a little pointed out fact that The Firefly series is almost a 1 on 1 copy of Cowboy Bebop. Whedon gets too much credit for his work in some circles. I find Firefly and Serenity still entertaining though.

Re:SImilarity to cowboy bebop series. (2, Informative)

SanityInAnarchy (655584) | more than 6 years ago | (#21627171)

It's a little pointed out fact that The Firefly series is almost a 1 on 1 copy of Cowboy Bebop.

Little pointed out because it's also completely wrong. Firefly borrows from lots of things; Cowboy Bebop is one.

I'll accept it's in the same genre (subgenre?) as Bebop, but, for example, where'd Inara come from? I know Jayne was inspired by a character from Alien, for instance. And the box River was in? Taken straight out of the first episode of Outlaw Star.

What sets Firefly apart isn't that it's revolutionary at all, but that it's so well done.

How about a traditional novel? (1)

no_pets (881013) | more than 6 years ago | (#21624283)

I mean, c'mon, every other fan favorite TV series has had a line of traditional novels. When will there be a Firefly series??

Re:How about a traditional novel? (1)

GwaihirBW (1155487) | more than 6 years ago | (#21628285)

Be careful for what you wish! Most of the TV-series-inspired novels of which I can think have been terrible . . . although if Whedon was given veto power, I'd trust him, I guess.

Dialogue (1)

thatblackguy (1132805) | more than 6 years ago | (#21629265)

Nice to see Firefly in the headlines again. I liked the series, got it after hearing people on slashdot continuously talking about it ;) It is something totally different for a sci fi series, not that the cowboy part of it appeals to me. It's different because it's the first (that I've seen) that bothers about the little guy, the white trash, the petty crooks and FINALLY the deal with weapons in space making sound. And there's something surreal about the way the way the ship moves, the shots of it are amazing, if you've grown up on generic Trek you'll be blown away by the way space flight is shown here. Easily it's greatest strength. The one thing that doesn't appeal to me is the occasional crappy dialogue, the chinese swear words are inspired and great, it's the english bullshit that's weird. There's no way to explain it but as "geek humor" in a bad sense. It's not intelligently obscure, it's unnecessary, sounds stupid and it just damn well derails a good moment. Luckily that sort of "You would do my honour a great honour by engaging me m'lady" crap is completely overshadowed by the good parts of the series. If they fixed that, Firefly would be perfect. Well, that and the overt renaissance fair style sex talk. And yeah, comics suck. Here's to a tv series.
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