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Couple Thoughts (5, Insightful)

stoolpigeon (454276) | more than 6 years ago | (#21630871)

Two things jump out at me in this article. The first is that this once again proves that Gartner is worse than useless. The second is that they left out one element. Take a look at Amazon [amazon.com] or over at ebay [ebay.com]. There are literaly thousands of Wiis that have been purchased by people for no other reason than turning around and selling them above retail. This has been going on for quite a while, though the prices have really spiked in recent weeks. I think they were averaging around $350 on Amazon for quite a while, as opposed to the over $500 now. And the number for sale there has greatly increased. I think some people may end up still holding them after the holidays though, because part of the appeal of the wii is the price. If I'm going to drop $600 on a console - I might as well get a 360 with some games or a PS3 that can play all those PS2 games out there.

Re:Couple Thoughts (5, Informative)

antifoidulus (807088) | more than 6 years ago | (#21630975)

I think some people may end up still holding them after the holidays though

Yeah, but most of them won't be out any significant amounts of money though, because they will simply return them the day after Christmas. Last year I went to Best Buy the day after Christmas because my mom bought me the wrong Simpsons season on DVD, so I had to wait in the return line. I noticed that almost everyone in front of me was returning ps3s. I bet that most of them were people who bought the ps3 to try to sell for a few grand on ebay, and when they didn't sell they went straight to best buy to recoup their $600. So most of the resellers probably consider it a no-risk investment on their part.

Re:Couple Thoughts (4, Insightful)

stoolpigeon (454276) | more than 6 years ago | (#21631001)

I didn't even think of that. People can be such weasels. Though it's good by me I guess. I told my kids that if we could get our hands on a wii at regular retail after the holidays, we'd get one. I'm letting them save up and we are going in on it together. I figure it's a good chance for them to learn about money and what not.

Re:Couple Thoughts (-1, Flamebait)

phillips321 (955784) | more than 6 years ago | (#21631439)

QUOTE:I'm letting them save up and we are going in on it together
You mean your skint and your using the teach them about money technique as an excuse.
VOTE -5 = BAD PARENTING! ;)

Re:Couple Thoughts (1)

creimer (824291) | more than 6 years ago | (#21631605)

So GOOD PARENTING! +5 is robbing grandma down the street of her Wii to put up on eBay to make money?! I thought this country had enough future real estate brokers. :P

Re:Couple Thoughts (3, Insightful)

mosch (204) | more than 6 years ago | (#21630987)

It's not like Wiis are that cheap to begin with, at least not the way most people set them up.

Wii - $250
Wii Play w/Wiimote - $50
Two more Wiimotes - $80
An extra Nunchuk - $20
Component Video Cable - $20

And you're at $420 without buying any meaningful games, at regular retail price. Toss in sales tax and a handful of games, you've already broke $600.

Beyond that, I just don't buy the argument that a 360 or a PS3 is a true competitor to the Wii. People who buy the Wii want it for the innovative game play, and nothing else satisfies that demand.

Re:Couple Thoughts (5, Insightful)

stoolpigeon (454276) | more than 6 years ago | (#21631091)

Wont you be doing the same on the other platforms though? and from what I've seen wii games are a bit cheaper than the other two. I agree with you about the innovative game play - but if the console alone started at $600 or more, it wouldn't be selling like it is. Nintendo really found a sweet spot teaming up that new style of play with a great price point.

Re:Couple Thoughts (2, Insightful)

EggyToast (858951) | more than 6 years ago | (#21631471)

Not exactly; the other platforms have a push towards online play and single player play, meaning you pay the Gold account fee on a 360 and no extra fee on a PS3. You already own the single controller, which is all you need to play the online game.
It's a long term, non-permanent charge on the 360, for sure, but it is less than buying the extra Wii controllers.

Re:Couple Thoughts (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21631095)

Wii, 'innovative game play'???

You have to be joking...

Re:Couple Thoughts (4, Interesting)

vux984 (928602) | more than 6 years ago | (#21631137)

It's not like Wiis are that cheap to begin with, at least not the way most people set them up.

Wii - $250
Wii Play w/Wiimote - $50
Two more Wiimotes - $80
An extra Nunchuk - $20
Component Video Cable - $20

And you're at $420 without buying any meaningful games, at regular retail price.


Sort of.

I am nearly your exact config (just add 2 classic controllers). But it probably took me 6 months before I had 4 Wii Remotes. (Although I actually had my "1st" Wii Remote, component cable, and spare nunchuk a full 4 months before I actually managed to get the Wii.

[At launch even the accessories were impossible to get, so I grabbed what I could, when I could.]

But while that might be how MANY Wii's end up, you can put a $300 box under the tree, if that's your budget, and still have something entertaining. If your buying it for someone over 15 they can accessorize it themselves.

That budget factor important to a lot of people. You can always add the other stuff later. And you definitely don't -need- 4 wii remotes on day one.

I'd say most people spring for a 2nd wii remote via Wii Play pretty quick, but it can take a while before they add more / finish it up. My parents, for example, got a Wii in the summer; and have added a second wii remote (wii play) and nunchuk, but that's it. They haven't bothered with the component cable either (their 32" TV can take component, but its SD, and for them its just not a priority. I doubt they are even really aware that they could upgrade the cable.)

Beyond that, I just don't buy the argument that a 360 or a PS3 is a true competitor to the Wii. People who buy the Wii want it for the innovative game play, and nothing else satisfies that demand.

Yeah, a BIG part of the market for the Wii only is interested in the Wii. For people who ultimately want both a Wii and either an xbox or ps3 (or all three) are going to get one of the other two, but yeah, a big part of the market just has no interest in the other two consoles.

My parents again, haven't got the slightest interest in either the xbox or ps3, at any price.

Re:Couple Thoughts (2, Insightful)

hedwards (940851) | more than 6 years ago | (#21631627)

But while that might be how MANY Wii's end up, you can put a $300 box under the tree, if that's your budget, and still have something entertaining. If your buying it for someone over 15 they can accessorize it themselves.
I don't think that people should underestimate this. I've done that with other things, and the quality of the stuff you can get in that manner is often times far better than when you're stuck buying it all at once.

My camera and home gym setups would both have been far out of my reach had I been required for one reason or another to plunk down the cash for either of those at once. It also allowed me to make better decisions about what extras to get.

Granted those aren't directly analogous, but there is a strong corellation, I'm sure that the items included with the WII are sufficient to at least play a bit, even if not at the height of what the platform offers. And that is far better than having no system at all.

Re:Couple Thoughts (2, Interesting)

rizzo420 (136707) | more than 6 years ago | (#21631211)

i don't think most people are buying all of that. there's just not a need. not to mention, the wii comes with a game and the other consoles just come with 1 controller and no games. the price is already better than buying an xbox or ps3. the other thing is that those who are making those purchases aren't doing it all up front. they might go and get wiiplay to get the second remote and pick up a second nunchuck, making the price $320, but they're not going to buy 2 extra remotes right up front.

the component cable isn't necessary to really enjoy the wii either. heck, i play it on a 20" flat tube CRT.

the xbox wireless controller is $50 and the wired one is $40, the same price as the wii remote. the ps3 wireless controller is also $50. the games for the xbox and ps3 are also about $10 more than wii games. so people with any console are going to be putting in more than just the price of the console, but at least the standard wii package comes with a game.

the wii is a competitor to the xbox or ps3 solely for the fact that they're gaming consoles (or at least sony and microsoft see it that way, especially sony). that being said, the reality might be that people purchase a wii in addition to another console rather than instead of one simply because it is so different than the others.

Re:Couple Thoughts (1)

Cylix (55374) | more than 6 years ago | (#21631251)

In fairness you don't need two more wiimotes. Two is just fine.

So,
Wii - $250
Wii Play w/Remote - $50
Nunchuck - $20
Component Cable - $20 (optional 20 really_

In reality, it's 320 with an optional component cable. 90% likely to find knock off component cables for $10 somewhere.

As a side note I do happen to like some of the games on wii play.

However, I really do like the Zapper (+30) and Classic Controller (+20).

On the plus side Link's Crossbow is actually fun, but I've never really used the classic controller.

In any event, that was also the first thing to come to mind when I was playing on my friends system. So much extra junk.

Re:Couple Thoughts (4, Insightful)

Jarjarthejedi (996957) | more than 6 years ago | (#21631297)

It's not like the 360 is cheap to begign with, at least not the way most people set them up.

360 - $350
Extra Controller - $60
HD Cable - $20

And you're at $430 without buying ANY games, at regulare retail price. Toss in sales tax and a handful of games and you've broke $700.

The Wii is the cheapest current gen (the PS2 and them are now last gen) console. That is a fact, no matter how the other console fanbois may boost the price by including accessories.

Oblig Penny Arcade http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2006/09/14

Re:Couple Thoughts (1, Informative)

Doctor Crumb (737936) | more than 6 years ago | (#21631613)

Let's compare apples to apples:

xbox360 bundle with forza 2 and marvel ultimate alliance: $350
3 additional wireless controllers: $50 x 3 = $150
wireless network adaptor: $100
xbox LIVE subscription: $50/y

And you're at $570 without buying any meaningful games, at regular retail price. Toss in sales tax and a handful of games, you've already broken $700. So it's not like 360s or ps3s are cheap to start with, at least not the way most people set them up.

Re:Couple Thoughts (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21630989)

Target! Just go to Target. They usually get a dozen in every week or so - at least they did as of the middle of November. I have a relative that works as a pharmacist there. She sees them all the time. Just go there when they first open and you'll get one. I know I did...

Re:Couple Thoughts (3, Interesting)

stoolpigeon (454276) | more than 6 years ago | (#21631043)

Every time the Wii shortage comes up on the dot, there are people who say they are easy to get. And maybe in certain locales that is true. But when even my local paper notices people hanging out at stores [orlandosentinel.com], following the UPS guy and such - I think it is safe to say that these little suckers are difficult to attain in many places. Reggie Fils Aimes has publicly said they wont meet demand through the holidays. [mercurynews.com] And I don't think he'd be saying that if there were any chance of them ramping up production any further.

Re:Couple Thoughts (3, Insightful)

achtzwerge (1178883) | more than 6 years ago | (#21631145)

Wouldnt it be smart to say such a thing, just to get all those undecided people to go out and buy a WII now? If theres plenty around, you might hold off on your purchase and maybe, just maybe buy something else entirely?

Re:Couple Thoughts (1)

stoolpigeon (454276) | more than 6 years ago | (#21631193)

Some have postulated along those lines, but I think the article (the one linked to from the front page - not the one I just pointed out) does a pretty good job of laying out why that doesn't really make sense.

Re:Couple Thoughts (1)

The Analog Kid (565327) | more than 6 years ago | (#21631705)

My friend told me that while he was camping out for a HDTV at Target (they were $800 on Black Friday I believe) He noticed that there was rather large line in front of Gamestop. The reason? There were 12 Wiis in stock. I myself don't see what the hype for the Wii is all about, having played one, I found the novelty of the controller wore off pretty quickly. I find my 360 more enjoyable, but to each his own.

Re:Couple Thoughts (3, Insightful)

Fozzyuw (950608) | more than 6 years ago | (#21631047)

Take a look at Amazon or over at ebay.

Excellent point. There are few consumer goods, toys if you will, that this applies to. This "ticket scalping" like attitude is pretty new to a lot of consumers and of course they're going to blame the company directly. However, it's not the case. Besides the unprecedented demand (it's been practically sold out for over a year in a lot of places) and the fact that hot toys, even when not in demand in the off season, can see sold-out status during the holidays, Nintendo has actually increased factory [latimes.com] output for the holidays. Of course, I think 1.8 million consoles [kotaku.com] a month is nothing to shake a stick at.

I do feel sorry for a little sorry for those who cannot get one, but I also write it off as them not trying hard enough. With a little effort, it wasn't hard to get a Wii back in Oct. They would sit on the shelf for about 2 days before going sold out (according to GameStop and WalMart employees in my local area, YMMV). If you called every day, you'd have gotten one in a week. Of course, your best bet now is to wait until after Xmas, when the Wii bubble pops, and all those hording Wii's for premium re-sales during Xmas will flood the market at standard costs. Otherwise, good luck and keep trying!

Cheers,
Fozzy

Tickle Me Elmo (4, Interesting)

tepples (727027) | more than 6 years ago | (#21631139)

There are few consumer goods, toys if you will, that this applies to.
If by "few" you mean "about one a year that makes headlines on AP/Reuters", you're right. Remember Cabbage Patch Kids? Tickle Me Elmo? Furby?

Re:Couple Thoughts (1, Troll)

faloi (738831) | more than 6 years ago | (#21631067)

The big problem with the PS3, and Xbox 360, is that backward compatibility isn't a given. You might do ok, depending on the game, but it's not like you can scrap your PS2 for a PS3 and come up roses. Same on the Xbox.

You're right about the price, though. If you end up spending as much as you would on a Xbox 360 or PS3, it sort of negates the whole "I can get a Wii and Xbox 360 for the price of a PS3" argument. I got lucky and snagged a Wii early on. It's a fun console, but I'm hoping that game developers start cranking some more stuff out for it.

Re:Couple Thoughts (4, Interesting)

0100010001010011 (652467) | more than 6 years ago | (#21631225)

Craig's list!

Set up their RSS feeds and watch it. I got 2 Wiis for UNDER cost. One was from a kid bored with it selling it for a new BMX bike. No box, but everything was there plus 3-4 extra games $250 cash. Cheaper than if taxed in Illinois.

The second one... was an amazing find.
Wii
2 Full controllers (Not 4 controllers!!!! 2 nunchucks + 2 controllers as advertised everywhere else)
5 games
Rechargeable battery packs AND charger.
Component video.

All for $300. Foreign student moving back to his homeland. I e-mailed him with in 10 minutes of it being listed. I haven't added everything up but it looks like $450 worth of stuff no tax for $300.
One's going to my brother one I'm keeping.

This in the same are that I can't find one at any walmart anywhere. Where I've seen people selling them on Craig's list for
$600 with
4 controllers [sic] (2 controllers 2 nunchucks]
10 games [Wii sports + Wii Play added together]
etc.

For kicks I setup an auction exactly like the one I bought, in downtown chicago, same price.

5 e-mails in 6 hours.

The thing driving up prices is everyone seeing the prices being driven up which when they get their, they list it for $10 more...

Re:Couple Thoughts (4, Informative)

harlows_monkeys (106428) | more than 6 years ago | (#21631435)

I might as well get a 360 with some games or a PS3 that can play all those PS2 games out there

Be careful with the latter option. Sony has made quite a few changes to PS3 backward compatibility with PS2, ranging from supporting it in hardware on some models, to supporting it by software emulation in others, to dropping it completely in still others.

They're in Taiwan (3, Informative)

ragnarok (6947) | more than 6 years ago | (#21630877)

I saw plenty of them yesterday at Guanghua Market in Taipei. The going rate here seems to be 10500 NTD.

Re:They're in Taiwan (1)

pijokela (462279) | more than 6 years ago | (#21631295)

We'we got plenty here in Finland too. The rate here is 249 (22% VAT) so even without VAT it is 204 => $298. So maybe Nintendo just want's to make sure the premium paying regions get their share?

Plenty of Wiis here (5, Informative)

Troed (102527) | more than 6 years ago | (#21630879)

There are lots of Wiis in stock in shops in Sweden. Where do you want them sent?

(Seriously, I have no idea what Nintendo is up to, but claiming there's a severe shortage of PAL Wiis in the UK with lots of PAL Wiis available in other countries - only the plug on the AC adapter differs - doesn't sound right. Add a firmware flash and then the same hardware would become NTSC ... )

Re:Plenty of Wiis here (1)

stoolpigeon (454276) | more than 6 years ago | (#21630893)

I've wondered how hard it would be to switch one over as I'll be in Hungary soon, and if I knew I could get it working in the US with ease, I'd definitely look to pick one up.

Re:Plenty of Wiis here (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 6 years ago | (#21631167)

I've wondered how hard it would be to switch one over as I'll be in Hungary soon, and if I knew I could get it working in the US with ease, I'd definitely look to pick one up.
As I understand it, Wii firmware is encrypted to each console, and it isn't cracked yet.

Re:Plenty of Wiis here (1)

achtzwerge (1178883) | more than 6 years ago | (#21631171)

If you get a modded WII about 50% of ntsc games will work. Of course if you ever hit 'ok' and flash you wii with a new NTSC game its bricked. The power supply should be able to go from 120v/60hz to 240/50hz without problems, as most powersupplies in recent years do. Guess most modern tv would also accept pal without a problem, atleast all our european tvs do ntsc without problems. If its not modded, your a sol - wii has region coding

Blame the weak dollar (4, Insightful)

killbill! (154539) | more than 6 years ago | (#21631269)

Price in the US: USD 249
Price in Europe: EUR 249

The profit margin is much higher in Europe (even after accounting for VAT). It makes sense to give priority to the countries where the profit margin is highest.

Re:Blame the weak dollar (2, Informative)

mrsmiggs (1013037) | more than 6 years ago | (#21631713)

This is simply not the case, UK stock is also low with retailers now taking advantage by selling the console in large expensive high margin bundles. If Nintendo have already sold the stock to retailers for the Christmas it's going to be pretty hard for them to buy the stock back and then ship it around the world. Consumers are just going to have to be persistant and clever in trying to get hold of the console, many UK gamers have been purchasing from amazon.fr and amazon.de but they've now sold out. I imagine a few hardy souls will be making the trip to scandinavia to get hold of the console, I know of at least one person who came back from Germany with a boot load of Wiis.

Buzzlight year (3, Insightful)

Turn-X Alphonse (789240) | more than 6 years ago | (#21630907)

Any one remember Buzz Lightyear and the Furbies?

Same shit every Christmas just with a different name. Kids want the same 'cool' toy, so mothers (and some times fathers, but usually mothers) turn up at Toys 'r' US at 3am every day waiting for the next shipment then end up in near fist fights over it. It's been going on for as many years as I can remember, the only difference is the cost of the wii is much greater than the cost of a Furby or Buzz Lightyear was.

But hey, I already have a Wii and want a 360 this year, so I'm quite happy to watch the same story over again, except this time it's on slashdot instead of the local news.

Re:Buzzlight year (4, Insightful)

microbrewer (774971) | more than 6 years ago | (#21631019)

Any one remember Buzz Lightyear and the Furbies?

Same shit every Christmas just with a different name. Kids want the same 'cool' toy, so mothers (and some times fathers, but usually mothers) turn up at Toys 'r' US at 3am every day waiting for the next shipment then end up in near fist fights over it. It's been going on for as many years as I can remember, the only difference is the cost of the wii is much greater than the cost of a Furby or Buzz Lightyear was.

But hey, I already have a Wii and want a 360 this year, so I'm quite happy to watch the same story over again, except this time it's on slashdot instead of the local news.
The thing about the Wii is that its the Must Have Item 2 years in a Row

Re:Buzzlight year (1)

springbox (853816) | more than 6 years ago | (#21631175)

Yeah, which is why I don't understand why people are using the same "conspiracy theory" after a year of continuous Wii shortages. I'm pretty sure Nintendo isn't restricting the supply intentionally.

Re:Buzzlight year (2, Informative)

0100010001010011 (652467) | more than 6 years ago | (#21631693)

And most people that are complaining about production being low have obviously never worked in anything manufacturing related.

You can't just magically increase production. Nintendo increased their production to what they thought was 'safe' for their business. If they wanted to I'm sure they could have built 5 new plants, cranked out 5 million a month and had everyone a Wii within a year.

Then they woudl have had 5 idle manufacturing plans for the next X years until the Wii2 came out.

Re:Buzzlight year (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21631729)

There's nothing special about being a "must have" item two years in a row - the Wii is hardly the first to encounter this.

Re:Buzzlight year (1)

Jeff DeMaagd (2015) | more than 6 years ago | (#21631473)

It doesn't make sense that Nintendo would deliberately constrain supply like that. Deliberately letting demand go unsatisfied like that for over a year can cause serious problems to the brand.

As it is, I think it's the fastest selling console ever. They may have bought or built a certain amount of plant capacity for the launch and demand exceeded expectations. Expanding on that might take a while, I don't know.

Re:Buzzlight year (2, Insightful)

Hatta (162192) | more than 6 years ago | (#21631563)

Me, I'm getting a Gamecube this christmas. I like to stay a generation behind, you avoid the hype, prices are down, and games don't get less fun because they're old. Maybe in 2010 I'll check out this wii thing. :D

Where are the internet games? (0, Redundant)

tmk (712144) | more than 6 years ago | (#21630909)

I have a Wii and it is fun to play with others. But to play alone is a little boring. Are there any games that take advantage of the internet connection? Is it possible to play against other Wii users around the world?

Re:Where are the internet games? (1)

hibiki_r (649814) | more than 6 years ago | (#21630971)

There is about a dozen online games now, like Madden, Battallion Wars 2, Mario Strikers, Pokemon and Dragon Ball Z;3.

It's not quite the same experience as with the 360s friend lists and the like, but the games are online.

Re:Where are the internet games? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21631325)

I thought the Wii had a virtual console or something that was supposed to duplicate the function of xbox live, you're saying it doesn't?

Re:Where are the internet games? (0)

danielk1982 (868580) | more than 6 years ago | (#21631593)

Virtual Console is just for playing old console games (n64, snes, etc.)

Online gaming on the Wii is atrocious.

Re:Where are the internet games? (1)

k_187 (61692) | more than 6 years ago | (#21631641)

depends on what you mean by duplicating xbox live. The virtual console effectively duplicates the xbox live arcade, wherein one can buy games that are downloaded to one's console. The multiplayer aspects of xbox live are however not duplicated.

i got mine (1)

unknown_user_name (1197289) | more than 6 years ago | (#21630911)

I searched last Christmas and for the following six months before stumbling across a few of them just being put out in a local wal mart. I thought about buying them all and EBay'ing all but one. I assumed, foolishly, that the shortages were ending and I would be lucky to get my money back. I am happy i got one for my family though!!!

Re:i got mine (2, Interesting)

slam_mjg (38235) | more than 6 years ago | (#21630977)

There was another story that I read today indicating that Nintendo had to stop running Wii commercials because there is more demand for the system than they can supply.

Funny how a few months ago people were claiming that the Wii bubble was about to burst.
http://games.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/10/12/169203 [slashdot.org]

Yeah, they pulled the ads (2, Insightful)

Graftweed (742763) | more than 6 years ago | (#21631207)

Yeah, it's crazy. Nintendo has indeed pulled [marketingweek.co.uk] all Wii ads in the UK.

We have been running the campaign all year round, but we want to take a responsible stance this Christmas and not fuel demand.

When was the last time a company decided to stop advertising a product because they were selling too much of it?

Probably a good move, there are already some pretty pissed off people out there as it is.

Re:i got mine (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21631011)

I searched last Christmas and for the following six months before stumbling across a few of them just being put out in a local wal mart. I thought about buying them all and EBay'ing all but one. I assumed, foolishly, that the shortages were ending and I would be lucky to get my money back. I am happy i got one for my family though!!!
I'm glad you avoided being an asshole. Buying up a stock and then selling it at double the price [amazon.com] is really low.

Nintendo needs to follow the way Apple handles the (NS)AT&T iPhone.

UK Status (2, Interesting)

BarneyL (578636) | more than 6 years ago | (#21630931)

Over in the UK supply isn't bad (although so tight that Nintendo are considering dropping all adverts [bbc.co.uk] to keep demand down), don't expect to get one from the first shop you go to (unbundled anyway) but a bit of work to find out which day stock is arriving to which retailers and you can pick one up. E-bay prices are only about £20 over RRP. Supply seems even better over in Europe, many are ordering through Amazon's German wing.
The real shortage over here are certain games, Wii Play and High School Musical currently go for silly money on E-bay and Amazon.

Where are Wii? Well, Ii'm iin Saiint Louiis (5, Funny)

Bushido Hacks (788211) | more than 6 years ago | (#21630953)

Ii'm iin Saiint Louiis. Slashdot iis iin Dexter, Miichiigan. And the capiital of the Uniited States iis iin Washiington, DC.

Rii:Where are Wii? Well, Ii'm iin Saiint Louiis (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 6 years ago | (#21631179)

But more to the point, what game consoles can you buy where you liive?

Wii... cheap? not here! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21630965)

They aren't exactly in "high demand" here in Israel it seems.

I would buy one, except that the price is anything but reasonable: Wii 2300 NIS, PS3 3000 NIS.

The difference between the two is less than 200$, the price of the Wii is over 500$(200% increase) but the price of the PS3 is only 700$(120% increase).

I wish I understood how this country's import system worked...

Re:Wii... cheap? not here! (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21631027)

Yeah, I don't get Nintendo at all. How can they expect a jew to pay a 100% premium on anything?!?

Re:Wii... cheap? not here! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21631057)

FOAD, asshat

Seems in stock here in Sweden (2, Informative)

Jugalator (259273) | more than 6 years ago | (#21631003)

I don't see a shortage here, really... Watching the other replies in this thread, I wonder how common problem this really is.

The retail price hasn't shot up for the holidays either. http://www.prisjakt.nu/produkt.php?pu=48126 [prisjakt.nu]

Re:Seems in stock here in Sweden (2, Informative)

rizzo420 (136707) | more than 6 years ago | (#21631303)

the shortages are real in certain parts of the US. i live in the northeast and while i managed to get one back in january (though i had to get up at the crack of dawn and stand outside target in line), they're rare to see in stores. many people here say it's easy to get one, but unless you get to the store at the right time, you won't. and people who have to work during the week have it the toughest (that was my issue, i couldn't just spend time calling stores or visiting stores when i got a chance). the wiiseeker helped me, but they changed the site so it's not as useful as it once was (it used to post rumors of when stores would be getting them in stock and how many they would have). but regardless of all that, i have not seen a wii in a store since i bought mine at 7 am one cold january morning.

Re:Seems in stock here in Sweden (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21631357)

The shortage is very common in the US, at least in the Midwest. I've yet to see a Wii just sitting on a store shelf here. I've looked every time I go shopping over the last year now, out of curiosity. The only way I was able to pick one up last spring is by asking when shipments come in and running over right after work the night they did.

I can only imagine its worse now that demand is up for the holidays.

Re:Seems in stock here in Sweden (2, Informative)

Builder (103701) | more than 6 years ago | (#21631391)

The problem is very real in the UK. Every single shop in London has signs up explaining that they're out of stock. My local Game retailer is taking over 100 calls per day asking about stock. They get in about 25 a week in multiple shipments and these are almost always gone later the same day.

On one memorable occasion, they got a batch of 50 on a Friday morning and still had 2 left on Saturday.

This isn't a shop in the middle of London - it's out on the east of town in the arse end of nowhere.

Just call Nintendo (1)

gEvil (beta) (945888) | more than 6 years ago | (#21631017)

If you already have a Wii, you can easily get a second one by simply calling Nintendo, thanks to their advance replacement program. Of course, that's only the console itself--no power cable, no sensor bar, no wiimote, no nunchuk, no cables, and no Wii Sports. Oh yeah, and you have to tell them that the one you have is having problems. I have two sitting on my floor right now thanks to this (first was having some graphical glitches, so it's going back tomorrow). If you don't return the first one within three weeks, they charge you 200 bucks to keep it. If you really really wanted one, this is one way to do it...

I have one, thinking about selling it (1)

Isaac-Lew (623) | more than 6 years ago | (#21631051)

I got mine this summer, & I think it's great. However, I don't have a lot of time to use it right now (coverage during the holidays, & then end-of-year closeout) so I'm thinking of selling it. I don't trust eBay or amazon, would craigslist be a good alternative? Or should I just ask family & friends?

Re:I have one, thinking about selling it (2, Interesting)

Eagle7 (111475) | more than 6 years ago | (#21631177)

I put mine (6 months old) up on Craigslist a week ago, and I had cash for it within 4 hours. I didn't want to screw anyone, so I put it up there for retail. (On the other hand, recouping 100% of your money on a product that you used for 6 months is not anything to sneeze at.)

Who The Hell Still Wants A Wii??? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21631059)

You flail your arms around and control shitty last gen graphics around on a 480i screen. It was mildly amusing a year ago when the novelty was still fresh, but to still be wanting a Wii in late 2007...is just bizarre.

Go to a friends house that has one, spend a few hours waving your arms around like an idiot. Laugh, cry, pee in your pants over the 'revolutionary new control' scheme.

Then move the fuck on with your life.

Re:Who The Hell Still Wants A Wii??? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21631173)

Obviously someone is mad that they have 3 PS3s and no one gives a shit about overpriced 'media centers' that have a small selection of games (and one or two so-so 'exclusives'). Have fun with your next-gen 'tilt sensor'/blu-ray and better graphic'd rehashes of last years games.

Re:Who The Hell Still Wants A Wii??? (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 6 years ago | (#21631203)

You flail your arms around and control shitty last gen graphics around on a 480i screen.
Correction: Most if not all Wii games and several GameCube games work with 480p if you use the component video cable.

It was mildly amusing a year ago when the novelty was still fresh, but to still be wanting a Wii in late 2007...is just bizarre.
Unless you find that most of the Smash Bros. tournaments will have moved away from Melee by the end of 2008, just as tournaments moved away from SSB64 to Melee soon after Melee's release. Nintendo has promised that the stages in Brawl will have less opportunity for "turtling" or "circling" than the stages in Melee.

the nintendo piss (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21631081)

the nintendo piss is a pile of crap. just a faster clocked gamecube (which was itself crap) with a stupid gimmicky controller that has not revolutionised the way we play games. its overpriced by a factor of 4 and this shortage is entirely artificially created by the crapshovellers at nintendo.

over a year since its been released and there still arent any games that interest me on this pile of crap. there isnt any revolution or innovation, just the same crap on a crappy new controller. the one thing that might have made this bearable would have been if every game had internet play on a free worldwide network with excellent service and speed... which hasnt happened. what a pile of crap.

i hope nintendo, the rest of the console manufacturers, and all game makers die a terrible horrific financial death. after this a utopian game society springs up where games are innovative and fun and cost no more than 10$ each. we can live in hope...

Re:the nintendo piss (1)

Chainsaw (2302) | more than 6 years ago | (#21631159)

the nintendo piss is a pile of crap. just a faster clocked gamecube (which was itself crap) with a stupid gimmicky controller that has not revolutionised the way we play games

So I have three choices for this generation of consoles: (1) higher clocked XBox, (2) higher clocked PS2 with slight motion detecting controller and (3) higher clocked Gamecube, but with a new controller that contains gyros, can tell where you point it and allows for several attachments.

I'll just pick the one with the games that interest me. Possibly even a PS2, since I haven't played any of the Final Fantasy games for it yet...

Re:the nintendo piss (1)

grumbel (592662) | more than 6 years ago | (#21631257)

PS3 and XBox360 are completly new architectures and have little in common with their predecessors, the Wii is the exact same architecture as the Gamecube, just a bit higher clock and a bit more RAM.

Re:the nintendo piss (1)

cowscows (103644) | more than 6 years ago | (#21631505)

Meh, I don't play computer architectures, I play games. Who cares what's inside the fancy plastic box?

Re:the nintendo piss (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21631651)

it wouldnt matter if they charged fair price for the piece of crap but they dont. this thing should cost us 80$ maximum and shitendo would still make a profit. its the crappy old gamecube with a higher clock and slightly more ram. also the games shouldnt cost us more than 10$. and where are all the innovative fun games we were promised? theres nothing on that piece of crap that is innovative. fun is a matter for debate, but theres nothing on there that makes me want one

Re:the nintendo piss (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21631745)

I'll just pick the one with the games that interest me. Possibly even a PS2, since I haven't played any of the Final Fantasy games for it yet...

Let me save you the trouble. They suck.

Buy a PS2 and pick up anything by the following two publishers: NIS and Atlus.

Thanks for your contribution (1)

Torodung (31985) | more than 6 years ago | (#21631499)

Thank you for the selfless contribution of data to the "John Gabriel Greater Internet F-wad" survey.

I believe I am moving closer to confirming the "Special Internet F-wad theorum," which somehow functions without an audience.

I believe the fabric of the Internet, indeed intelligence itself, can be warped by poor word and grammar choices. The "shift" keys are located at each pinky, and can raise your perceived IQ by 30 points, on average.

Thank you again. ;^)

--
Toro

Be Nice to your Local Gamestop :) (0, Troll)

microbrewer (774971) | more than 6 years ago | (#21631083)

I got my Wii in November and had to do a little searching .My wife went to the local Gamestop and chatted up the manager who told her to call on Tuesday mornings when they Get thier Nintendo shipments in and they would hold the Wii for 24 hours .

I called on the Tuseday morning they held one for me and was palying Wii the that afternoon .
I Ended up buying a Wii Remote charger ,Wii Play, a Nunchuck and got a Gamefly subscription .

So Be nice to your local gamestop employees make sure you order a few extras and games .

Re:Be Nice to your Local Gamestop :) (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21631331)

She didn't tell you about the part where the manager fucked her for an hour and a half in the stock room, did she?

Nice Product Placement (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21631097)

My Compliments to the astroturfer (and all whom voted for this very !news story)

Are the underwear gnomes in charge? (4, Insightful)

UserChrisCanter4 (464072) | more than 6 years ago | (#21631121)

Urban legends tell us that console manufacturers make no profit on the console but recoup the losses on games. Of course, various articles over the years have debunked that belief, and the general message seems to be that Nintendo was making a healthy profit on the Wii LAST year when they started selling it. With the reduction in cost on the various components, it can only be better this time around.

The simple fact is that Nintendo has underestimated demand YET ANOTHER time. It's not as though they were the only ones who made this mistake - tons of third party companies jumped in around July and August this year to announce that they'd be releasing titles for the Wii now (presumably they hadn't been onboard earlier because they expected it to be a failure). Analysts have been continuously stating that the Wii would "lose steam" when people got over the novelty. It never happened. Now demand is through the roof again, and it's a tough problem. Getting the output just right for the holiday season is tricky - too few and you're left with the current situation, but too many and you'll have factories sitting idle after the fact. Couple all of that with the problem other posters have mentioned, ebay and Amazon "scalping" of Wiis, and you've got more difficult problem than you might first think.

Bottom line: Nintendo makes good money on every Wii sold. Every Wii sold at holiday season also likely represents at least one more wiimote+nunchuk combo sale, which nets them even more cash, not to mention the additional games. But obviously Nintendo would rather turn down millions in profit so that they can keep the system "elite" or some such business. This is starting to sound like the old underwear gnomes business model meme.

Think of this way, if it helps: RockBand is also selling out like crazy. EA and Harmonix have publicly stated that they can't make enough to satisfy demand. They make a profit on the package. Do you think they're not selling more as part of some brilliant plan to make it even cooler?

idiots (4, Insightful)

joe 155 (937621) | more than 6 years ago | (#21631399)

"Conspiracy believers suggest this is an orchestrated move on behalf of Nintendo"

Then they would be idiots, do people think that when someone sells one on ebay for £320 (as I have seen happen, that's more than the PS3) they send off a nice cheque to nintendo just to say "thanks"? no. Nintendo loses money on each of these (since they only get the original sale and after the inflated price people are less likely to buy a lot of games). Nintendo really wants to meet demand, it's stupid to suggest otherwise.

Re:idiots (1)

randomErr (172078) | more than 6 years ago | (#21631601)

Have you thought that maybe Nintendo is keeping production at its current level just so that they don't have to drop prices and come out with new models like Microsoft and Sony has had to?

On the Wii (1)

SaintOfAllChucks (1200371) | more than 6 years ago | (#21631403)

This is nothing new. The Wii has been selling out upon arrival in the US since it was released. People were camping out for them even in the summer. What doesn't help is the fact that places like Gamestop and the like are only selling the systems as bundles where you get 3 controllers and 5 games, in turn turning a $250 system that comes with a game into an almost $600 system at the store. Out side of the fluke day where I got mine the only place I've seen them actually sitting on a palate was at CostCo. In fact that is the place everyone I know that has one got theirs.

They're in Turkey too. (2, Informative)

gokalp (686689) | more than 6 years ago | (#21631427)

I just came from the mall and each and every tech store has Wii on the shelf. Even with our enormous VAT (%18), it's very cheap and you can find plenty of them with Sports pack included for 699 TL (approx. USD590) On the open market you can have it for USD450 without the Sports pack. -- http://www.internet.gen.tr/ [internet.gen.tr]

A toy? (1)

Stone316 (629009) | more than 6 years ago | (#21631459)

You have to laugh at these analysts... Now they are saying in a year the Wii will just be a toy. I believe they were saying similar things last year and yet it is still the must have item of the xmas season. I think the Wii proves that graphics aren't everything and fun gameplay trumps impressive graphics.

Re:A toy? (1)

CheeseTroll (696413) | more than 6 years ago | (#21631617)

A toy? Heck, no. Why, I plan to plow the north 40 acres with one in the spring. Now *that's* powerful graphics for ya. ;-)

Re:A toy? (1)

DrEldarion (114072) | more than 6 years ago | (#21631677)

The problem is that yes, the gameplay is great... under certain conditions:

1) You're in a group. This is where it really, really shines.
2) You feel like playing "shallow" games.

If you're looking for a deep single-player experience, the Wii's not the way to go. When I have people over, the breakdown is about 75% Wii, 25% 360/PS3. When I'm by myself, it's about 90% 360/PS3, 10% Wii.

RedHat Training (1)

Midnight Warrior (32619) | more than 6 years ago | (#21631469)

RedHat has put an interesting incentive on the table. Sign up for one of their mentioned classes and they'll ship you a Nintendo Wii about 6 weeks later. Note to the observant reader: this period ends after the holiday rush. As best as I've been able to work out, they've put in an order and Nintendo would have to promise they could deliver, as RedHat becomes contractually obligated to provide the student with a Wii.

Details of the offer are here. [redhat.com] Be sure to read the fine print about when and how you sign up. Note that if you are government employee, they won't give you one as that would be seen as a gift, which may be misconstrued as a bribe.

Availability (1)

popeye44 (929152) | more than 6 years ago | (#21631477)

There are many places online that have availability or stock locators. Target for instance will have Wii's next weekend. "the target I bought my wii at in June had 9 I should think it'd be similar stocking or better"

2 Weeks ago I showed up at TRU at 5:30am and was first in line. I got a voucher for the wii at 6:30am took a break got some food came back at 7:45am and they STILL had 2 more vouchers left."they did sell out by 8am" 24 wii's in that store. My friend across town did the same thing. I was very tempted to get more than one and I know some people buy them strictly to resale. I have read on a few forums that I visit of people getting 4-5 a day just to sell.

I have nothing against it. But my point is. If you want one you can probably get it by finding the deal sites that have extensive memberships and looking for wii availability. Someone in the chain of supply always KNOW where the wii's are.

Places like TRU who only allow one per person per day are great.

Thanks for posting this (1)

od05 (915556) | more than 6 years ago | (#21631643)

Having not touched my Wii for months because I was bored with it, after reading this article I placed an ad to sell my Wii in a local newspaper. Nintendo Wii, six games, three remotes, two nunchucks, two classic controllers, component cables. $600 OBO. Hope it sells, I really need the money. Thanks!

Just enough... (4, Funny)

Taulin (569009) | more than 6 years ago | (#21631657)

Why would Nintendo want to sell more units than it takes to meet their projected sales for the quarter?

Everyone I know who wants one has one (1)

nexusone (470558) | more than 6 years ago | (#21631669)

You may have to wait in line, but everyone that wanted a Wii this year has one.
Is Slashdot being paid by Nintendo to over hipe it, this is the second non-story I seen on this!!!!

GAmes (1)

Tailsfan (1200615) | more than 6 years ago | (#21631725)

Good thing I have one. Hope there isn't a brawl for smash when it comes out. I preordered it anyhow. PS. Zelda has bad sword controls.

Business school (4, Informative)

Seanasy (21730) | more than 6 years ago | (#21631773)

I took a business class in which Nintendo was used as real world example for how they controlled prices for a release of Zelda. If I remember correctly it went something like this:

Nintendo tells retailers "we're going to produce X amount by Christmas, give us your orders." Wal-Mart tells them, "we're big and will sell a lot of games, give us a huge number of them at a ridiculously low price. Otherwise, we won't carry it and you won't sell enough of them to make any money."

Nintendo hates this, of course. So, they cut back sharply on production of the game. Closer to Christmas they tell the retailers, "oops, we only have Y amount. It's not enough for what we already know everybody wants. Give us your desired quantities with your _best_ price in Z days."

Walmart just lost their leverage. Nintendo sells fewer cartridges but at a significantly better price than Walmart was offering. Not as good as they originally wanted but better than Walmart's offer.

Something similar is probably happening here. The Wii could easily move in huge volume but the retailers would want a lower price. As long as:

FewWii x HighPrice > LotsAWii x LowPrice

you'll have a hard time finding a Wii.

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