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Penny-Sized Flash Module Holds 16GB

Zonk posted more than 6 years ago | from the okay-now-we're-in-the-future dept.

Data Storage 146

nerdyH writes "Intel describes its new 2GB to 16GB SSDs (solid state disks) as 'smaller than a penny, and weighing less than a drop of water.' The parts are '400 times smaller in volume than a 1.8-inch hard drive,' Intel boasts, 'and at 0.6 grams, 75 times lighter.' Sampling now, with mass production set for Q1 2008, the Z-P140 is described as an 'optional' part of Intel's Menlow chipset, built in turn as part of Intel's vision for Linux-based Mobile Internet Devices (MIDs)."

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Big deal (5, Insightful)

BrianPan (786919) | more than 6 years ago | (#21738742)

All flash memory has been smaller than a penny and weigh less than a drop of water for a long time. Adding a package-on-package controller is an obvious next step. There's no big revolution happening here.

Re:Big deal (4, Funny)

Eternauta3k (680157) | more than 6 years ago | (#21738792)

All flash memory has been smaller than a penny and weigh less than a drop of water for a long time. Adding a package-on-package controller is an obvious next step. There's no big revolution happening here.
What do you know about marketing?
:P

Re:Big deal (2, Insightful)

BrianPan (786919) | more than 6 years ago | (#21738922)

Touche. I probably would have gone with "new flash still smaller than a quarter, still doesn't explode in your system."

I guess Slashdot submissions also have to be "sold" to the editors to be front page worthy.

Re:Big deal (1)

A nonymous Coward (7548) | more than 6 years ago | (#21739624)

I guess Slashdot submissions also have to be "sold" to the editors to be front page worthy.

I went on an interview once where the HR jerk spent most of the time berating me for not dressing up, said that during an interview, I was not a programmer, but a salesman, selling myself. He didn't say much at all about the job, except that all employees had to be at work between 8 and 830, not before, not after, and the company (Quantum business computers, I think was their name) was at the worst possible commute location, last exit before crossing the Hayward (CA) bridge ... and I'm supposed to be excited about probably an extra half hour to get to work because the president is a numbskull? I think that HR idiot shoulda spent more time talking to the president about common sense than to interviewees about dress codes.

Re:Big deal (5, Insightful)

russ1337 (938915) | more than 6 years ago | (#21739898)

we're way way off topic here, but to complement your story:

A buddy of mine had a job interview for an office job - in the telecoms field, and had previously only ever worked as a precision machinist (CnC type stuff in coveralls) since he left school. He asked my advice on what to wear to the interview (and subsequent job) because I worked in a corporate environment. I helped him chose a suitable suit, tie etc, and gave him some simple dress tips (for the corporate environment - and wasnt entirely sure what his office culture was like, but thought better dress up than down.

He was the only guy applying for the job that wore a tie - let alone a jacket. He got the job and wore his jacket and tie to work every day, (jacket off during working hours). In 6 weeks they made him the manager.

I've always reckoned it was that he *looked* like the boss, and it 'looks bad' with him sitting in a cube with the polo-shirts and tee-shirts. The fact he wasn't a complete muppet helped too.

Next time you think your boss is an idiot and wonder why he's your boss, you'll probably notice that the only difference between him and you, is that he dresses nicer.

So that is why the article made it to the front page - it was wearing a tie. Articles wearing greasy coveralls and have food stains down the front have no chance.

Re:Big deal (3, Funny)

danbert8 (1024253) | more than 6 years ago | (#21741256)

Well, since we're off topic, I have another similar situation... My first day on the job as a co-op, I wore a shirt and tie, and my boss told me not to wear a tie because I was making everyone look bad (I'm pretty sure he was joking). Some people like a more casual environment.

Re:Big deal (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21741486)

my boss told me not to wear a tie because I was making everyone look bad (I'm pretty sure he was joking).


Chances are, you were making your BOSS look bad.

'management material' don't wear jeans with white socks and trainers.

Re:Big deal (1)

purpledinoz (573045) | more than 6 years ago | (#21739632)

I hope they don't waste it on their Turbo Memory [wikipedia.org] technology. That's something that looked good on paper, but really didn't work as expected. But I can't wait until we get solid state hard drives of a decent size. Maybe in a few years, we'll have 100GB flash hard drives, which will make laptops last longer on its battery...

Re:Big deal (2)

JCSoRocks (1142053) | more than 6 years ago | (#21739818)

Ummm cave dweller much? We've already got [newegg.com] 100 GB+ solid state drives. This one is obviously crazy expensive but you can get 32GB models for a more reasonable price - around $400 I think.

Re:Big deal (1)

purpledinoz (573045) | more than 6 years ago | (#21740406)

So I'm a cave-dweller for not knowing this? So I guess 99% of the population are of the cave-dweller variety. Congrats on being the 1% of the people who are surface-dwellers.

Re:Big deal (1)

JCSoRocks (1142053) | more than 6 years ago | (#21741192)

99% of the population isn't on slashdot. My mom doesn't even know what a hard drive is, but then, she isn't the kind of person using this site either. If you're here - it's because you're a geek / nerd / techie / whatever. You are, therefore, expected to know a little about what's happening in tech.

Re:Big deal (1)

Zeinfeld (263942) | more than 6 years ago | (#21741098)

I hope they don't waste it on their Turbo Memory technology. That's something that looked good on paper, but really didn't work as expected. But I can't wait until we get solid state hard drives of a decent size. Maybe in a few years, we'll have 100GB flash hard drives, which will make laptops last longer on its battery...

My everyday work laptop only has a 32Gb disk, it seems to be enough for corporate purposes. I would not use it to develop code unless I was in an airplane and really bored and I can't store my iTunes catalog on it, but thats what an iPod is for. I might use it to do a really lightweight edit of a podcast but after using a 30" screen as my every day monitor I really find the 12" laptop effort too piddly to bother with at this point.

In fact I can't really see what I would do that needs more than 32Gb but less than 500Gb or so. 32Gb fills up pretty quick if you are going to start dumping out flash memory from the cameras or doing video editing.

Re:Big deal (1)

DaveWick79 (939388) | more than 6 years ago | (#21741594)

I think the vast majority of users have less than 80GB of data that they store. Even as an OS-only drive on a laptop, this SSD in the range of 8-16GB is pretty attractive. At the very least, using a SSD for the OS and maybe a few apps as well, would cut down on the hard drive usage, enabling the laptop to power down the hard disk for longer periods of time while the system is not using it.
Furthermore, I don't consider Turbo Memory to be a flop at all. Depending on your usage it can be a SSD itself with apps loaded on it, or it can boost performance by 20% for operations that do a bit of hard disk writing. I don't know how you expected it to work, but I've been pretty happy with it personally.

Re:Big deal (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21740034)

Of course there's no revolution - it's solid state!

Re:Big deal (2, Insightful)

noidentity (188756) | more than 6 years ago | (#21740334)

And the smallest sticks are too damn small already. A friend got one of those Micro SD or something and I was surprised he hadn't already lost it in the carpet. Maybe good for having a normal-sized watch with GB of memory, but otherwise too easy to lose.

Ultramobile devices (3, Interesting)

morgan_greywolf (835522) | more than 6 years ago | (#21738788)

I could see ultramobile devices using these. Not only are they small, but they consume only about 300 mW of power active, and 1.1 mW in sleep mode.

We're starting to get to a point where wearable computers will be practical. You'll be able to sew a whole computer right into a jacket or a sweater. Throw in one of those wearable displays [myvu.com] , abd forget lugging around that heavy laptop!

Re:Ultramobile devices (2)

Thanshin (1188877) | more than 6 years ago | (#21738972)

Isn't energy source the bottle neck? Why don't they advertising mainly the power consumption?

Anyway, the data by the time we can have a powerful computer hidden inside a jacket, the data will be stored at home and accessed through wireless communications, so the only really useful advance in memory is power consumption.

Re:Ultramobile devices (1)

jdjbuffalo (318589) | more than 6 years ago | (#21740536)

One idea that's been floated around, seen it on Slashdot too, is that people would supply the energy. It would be something like motion capture, heat capture or directly tapping into our bodies (a la the Borg).

Re:Ultramobile devices (1)

morgan_greywolf (835522) | more than 6 years ago | (#21741428)

Well, the drive mentioned in the article uses only 300 mW of power.

Also, the power source people seem to overlook the most is people-power. You move, generating energy. You give off heat, generating energy. Even just sitting around thinking generates energy. Energy that could be captured and used to charge a battery. I also seem to remember a bunch of recent Slashdot articles about batteries. Sony's new biobattery that runs on sugar, along with high-density batteries that can store a lot of charge in a small space.

If we think about what technology is available, the dream of wearable computers can finally become reality.

Re:Ultramobile devices (2, Insightful)

wattrlz (1162603) | more than 6 years ago | (#21739050)

You can also forget about ever boarding a commercial airline.

Re:Ultramobile devices (1)

megaditto (982598) | more than 6 years ago | (#21740610)

Quarter VGA isn't a whole lot of screen space (320x240 pixels).

Unfortunately, higher res wearable displays cost much more, and most are only really sold to the military, for whatever reason.

Re:Ultramobile devices (1)

Belial6 (794905) | more than 6 years ago | (#21741076)

We are not even close to having wearable computers sewn into jackets or sweaters. There are HUGE advances that need to be made that have nothing to do with size or power consumption before sewn in computers are feasible. The first is security. I know I have lost a jacket or two by leaving it in a restaurant when I left. How about when you go to an event that has coat checks. Having your data available to anyone with access to the coat closet isn't going to cut it.

Then there is cost. Many people have two, and I have no style. My wife has over half a dozen. You would need these computers to be sewn into each and every jacket. Plus, people would need to know how to 'install' their jackets.

A far more logical wearable computer would be something like jewelry, or a PDA that is small enough to fit in a pocket without ruining the lines of your clothes. I could see having power cords sewn into clothes, so that you could snap the tiny wearable computer onto your clothes, but then that is basically jewelry. Besides clothes are just not that durable. The only clothes that last as long as a computer are generally the ones you rarely wear.

That's nothing (3, Funny)

techpawn (969834) | more than 6 years ago | (#21738796)

I lost a few gig of SD memory in a keyboard one time by accident. So, we're actually moving backwards in size.

I've heard this before (2, Funny)

CarpetShark (865376) | more than 6 years ago | (#21739540)

I lost a few gig of SD memory in a keyboard one time by accident. So, we're actually moving backwards in size.


I've heard that story before, except then, the SD memory was a flute, and the keyboard was... well... at band camp.

Re:That's nothing (1)

Midnight Thunder (17205) | more than 6 years ago | (#21740750)

I lost a few gig of SD memory in a keyboard one time by accident. So, we're actually moving backwards in size.

Even easier with Micro-SD.

And next year... (4, Insightful)

yuri82 (236251) | more than 6 years ago | (#21738824)

And in 2009 they will have it with 64GB, and the year after 256GB...

They probably have the technology for 256GB now, but why waste it all on one release?

Re:And next year... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21738962)

And in 2009 they will have it with 64GB, and the year after 256GB...

Why did you stop at 256GB? why didnt you mention higher in this post.. maybe saving for the next post for more karma?

karma:you::money:intel

Re:And next year... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21740680)

The strange thing about slashdot karma, you only get to enjoy it when you don't care about losing it.

I want one (1)

olddotter (638430) | more than 6 years ago | (#21738892)

But isn't this yesterday's news? Or did I read it on yahoo over breakfast. I long for the days when slashdot was for news I didn't see on Yahoo first. But this is still cool technology. And means I should keep putting off buying a new iPod.

Re:I want one (2, Insightful)

garcia (6573) | more than 6 years ago | (#21738940)

But isn't this yesterday's news? Or did I read it on yahoo over breakfast. I long for the days when slashdot was for news I didn't see on Yahoo first. But this is still cool technology. And means I should keep putting off buying a new iPod.

I long for the days when Yahoo posted something and there was a community of people that responded to the content of the blurb (not the article of course!) and you got responses in the range of trolls all the way through insightful discussion, commentary and links to other pertinent (or not so) information.

Errr wait, nevermind.

Re:I want one (2, Interesting)

jackpot777 (1159971) | more than 6 years ago | (#21739514)

...I should keep putting off buying a new iPod.


Ah, we've all been there with technology. When I got my 2nd gen. iPod nano, I thought "wow, colour screen" and now I'm thinking "hmmm, no video."

Time to meander like the old man I am: I found a 3.5" floppy at home last week where I had written on the label: 'put onto new computer, maybe 1.4GHz'. Oooh, with 256 megs of RAM and a nice big 40 Gig hard drive... I just checked eBay, there's a HP WorkStation X2000 P4 going in the US for two hundred dollars with 512MB of RAM, and still with SCSI for my old scanner.

Or I can wait twenty years and they'll have a nanobot one for free in my Corkflakes (sans SCSI).

Re:I want one (2, Funny)

stuboogie (900470) | more than 6 years ago | (#21740214)

"Or I can wait twenty years and they'll have a nanobot one for free in my Corkflakes (sans SCSI)."

Corkflakes??

Is there going to be a corn shortage in the future due to global warming or will we find out that cork is not only high in fiber, but is great for your cholesterol!!

Re:I want one (1)

Sparr0 (451780) | more than 6 years ago | (#21740506)

When I got my 2nd gen. iPod nano, I thought "wow, colour screen" and now I'm thinking "hmmm, no video."
That's just Apple screwing customers over when it comes to new software. There's no reason you can't play video on your nano. Get rid of Apple's crappy iPod OS, join all the happy RockBox [rockbox.org] users.

yahoo news links... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21739554)

...expire pretty fast. Just sucks if you remember something and want to go back and look things up again for some reason. Besides, slashdot is way more for the discussion than for the news links. The news links *lead* to the discussions where we get what slashdot is still good for, a variety of peoples insight(good bad and trollish and humorous, the whole mix). If all you want is news, just use an rss reader and hit the major wire services and a few press release places and the top 20 or so tech colleges and cancel out of cruising slashdot, there's nothing for you here and you are wasting your time and electrons.

HTH

Re:I want one (1)

manifoldronin (827401) | more than 6 years ago | (#21740194)

I long for the days when people come to /. for commenting and reading comments, instead of news. 8-)

Re:I want one (1)

BarryJacobsen (526926) | more than 6 years ago | (#21740428)

I long for the days when people come to /. for commenting and reading comments, instead of news. 8-)
Since when did slashdot start offering news?

Re:I want one (1)

jdjbuffalo (318589) | more than 6 years ago | (#21740600)

That's pretty much the only reason I come to Slashdot.

I can get news anywhere. There isn't another community around that I enjoy reading the comments on the latest news story.

Er, so what? (4, Interesting)

Speare (84249) | more than 6 years ago | (#21738894)

Okay, so they made a chip that would fit in a microSDHC form factor. Is it faster? Is it lower-power? Is the interface more convenient? Is the chipset to host it already commonplace? Why would I want yet-another-memory-stick-format product in the already-crowded marketplace?

Re:Er, so what? (3, Insightful)

tangent3 (449222) | more than 6 years ago | (#21739072)

and most importantly, how much does it cost per GB, compared to Flash?

Re:Er, so what? (2, Informative)

MBCook (132727) | more than 6 years ago | (#21739140)

Read the story. This isn't to replace SD cards. This is a little chip to be built onto the motherboard of cell phones or iPods to hold the data, and for that it is much smaller than other offerings.

Re:Er, so what? (2, Interesting)

Speare (84249) | more than 6 years ago | (#21739272)

Okay, so they don't want to encase it in a piece of plastic with a big slider-pad for contacts. I'm sure SanDisk would be okay with direct integration of their storage chips onto motherboards too. I stand by my comment: this appears no different from existing capacities already available on the market. Why the huge press event?

Re:Er, so what? (2, Interesting)

ivan256 (17499) | more than 6 years ago | (#21739562)

microSD caps out at 8GB right now, and even those aren't readily available...

Doubling capacity isn't press-release worthy anymore?

Re:Er, so what? (1)

Hal_Porter (817932) | more than 6 years ago | (#21739734)

And they only work in microSD slots that support SDHC [wikipedia.org]

Re:Er, so what? (1)

Alioth (221270) | more than 6 years ago | (#21740746)

Open up an SD card, USB drive, Compact Flash card or whatever and inside... you'll find a chip packaged much in this way. The dimensions they describe are of a common-or-garden BGA (ball grid array) package, which has been used in electronics for _years_.

Re:Er, so what? (0, Flamebait)

Pharmboy (216950) | more than 6 years ago | (#21739316)

Read the article instead of trying to post first and karma whore. Most of your questions are answered there and it is only a few paragraphs.

Re:Er, so what? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21739380)

Go with your anger young Skywalker! Feel the hate!

It's not a memory stick format, dipshit. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21739666)

title says it all. This is part of the chipset, as in integrated, not a memory stick. RTFS

Sheesh. (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21738910)

I (me) am just waiting (JW) for PTGD (prices to go down).

Re:Sheesh. (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21738966)

BFF Jill?

Re:Sheesh. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21738974)

ITTYAAAH

I think that you are an ass hat.

Re:Sheesh. (0, Troll)

RandoX (828285) | more than 6 years ago | (#21739322)

FU.

It's three times bigger than microSD (4, Insightful)

adam1101 (805240) | more than 6 years ago | (#21738994)

The dimensions of this module are 18x12x1.8mm, which is more than three times the volume of microSD (15x11x0.7mm, which includes a plastic housing). Now some of the other features are nice (IDE controller, high speeds), but the size isn't anything amazing.

Re:It's three times bigger than microSD (1)

MBCook (132727) | more than 6 years ago | (#21739216)

Yep. Now just tell me where I can get a 16 GB microSD card and I'll accept you as right. By the way, don't you think this device includes a housing too?

Even though the devices aren't even competing with each other. It's a tiny size for it's market segment and capacity.

Not 0.7.. 1.0, making for 2.36 (1)

Animaether (411575) | more than 6 years ago | (#21739772)

Yes, MicroSD is still smaller. That said, Wikipedia (I guess you consulted Wikipedia) is incorrect in its leading summary. The card is not 0.7mm thick, it is about 1mm thick (0.95mm according to my vernier scale). Funnily enough, the table in the bottom of the Wikipedia article lists 1.0mm as well. The 0.7mm seems to come from the connector part.

So to adjust for your calculations...
MicroSD = 15*11*1.0 = 165
Intel's thingy = 18*12*1.8 = 388.8

388.8 / 165 ~= 2.36

Anyway, the more important bit is that it does have the IDE controller already on it... go add the controller chip for the SD standard to a device and you'll add a nice bit of volume as well :)

Re:Not 0.7.. 1.0, making for 2.36 (1)

Khalid (31037) | more than 6 years ago | (#21740010)

I hope you have corrected this :) this is all what Wikipedia is about.

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Not 400 times smaller (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21739090)

400 times smaller in volume than a 1.8-inch hard drive

Why do people say things like this?
Its size is 1/400 of a 1.8-inch hard drive, not 400*(the smallness of a 1.8-inch hard drive).

In similar fashion: (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21739314)

Stand down!

Re:Not 400 times smaller (1)

CarpetShark (865376) | more than 6 years ago | (#21739574)

400 times smaller in volume than a 1.8-inch hard drive


Why do people say things like this?
Its size is 1/400 of a 1.8-inch hard drive, not 400*(the smallness of a 1.8-inch hard drive).


It's called capitalist marketing. Welcome to the show. Popcorn? ;)

Re:Not 400 times smaller (1)

Hal_Porter (817932) | more than 6 years ago | (#21739802)

It's called capitalist marketing. Welcome to the show. Popcorn? ;)
Popcorn is only included in the Deluxe package. Would you like to upgrade now or continue with the Standard package? Don't worry, we'll keep asking until you upgrade.

Yeah PayPal, I'm looking at you.

Re:Not 400 times smaller (1)

jhines (82154) | more than 6 years ago | (#21739610)

Remember how well the bimbo's that now read news did in math class?

Re:Not 400 times smaller (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21739800)

The Russian postdoc in our lab uses that sentence structure. I give him a pass, because I understand what the intended meaning is. Native English speakers should know better.

Re:Not 400 times smaller (1)

MobileTatsu-NJG (946591) | more than 6 years ago | (#21739992)

"Why do people say things like this?"

It rolls off the tongue more easily. Funny thing about the net, a lot of the text that's posted on it was originally derived by how people speak to each other. It can really wreak havoc on a brain that's too hard-wired. I remember nearly putting our finance guy into a coma by walking into the building with my baseball hat on backwards.

Re:Not 400 times smaller (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21740336)

The greatness of your post is such that the number of better posts is less than one-half of one percent.

Re:Not 400 times smaller (1)

Kjella (173770) | more than 6 years ago | (#21740360)

Ok, let us start by taking out "in volume", which is clearly there to avoid confusion with capacity, diameter (1/400th of 1.8"??) and whatever. "400 times smaller than a 1.8-inch hard drive", or "X times smaller than Y". Well, I do understand "X times larger than Y", does that mean 400*(the largeness of Y) then? Personally I'd say I just interpret that as 400*size, largeness is to me the same sort of subjective attribute as smallness.

To me it sounds perfectly reasonable that if X is 400 times larger than Y, then Y is 400 times smaller than X. I read the latter as Y = 400 ^-1 * X, since "smaller than" inverts the relation between X and Y. If I gave you a 1kg and 10kg weight, would you say they were ten times heavier/lighter? I would. If you saw a 300MHz machine against a 3GHz machine (same IPC, down boy) would you say they were ten times faster/slower? I would. If you had to run 1km or 10km, would you say they were time times longer/shorter? I wouldn't. I'd never say "ten times shorter than to...", but to me that seems to be the exception to the rule and bigger/smaller don't sound like one of them to me. Then again I'm not a native speaker, I just play one on slashdot ;).

Re:Not 400 times smaller (1)

Sparr0 (451780) | more than 6 years ago | (#21740612)

If I gave you a 1kg and 10kg weight, would you say they were ten times heavier/lighter? I would.
And you would be wrong TWICE. First, for the reason under discussion above (which is to say, I disagree with you). Second, and a personal pet peeve of mine, because 10kg is NINE times heavier than 1kg. 2kg is "one time(s)" (1*1kg) heavier than 1kg. 10kg is ten times *AS HEAVY* as 1kg, but not ten times *HEAVIER*, the "er" implying that youre starting at the weight of the lighter thing, not at zero.

Re:Not 400 times smaller (2, Insightful)

Paul_Hindt (1129979) | more than 6 years ago | (#21740710)

Why don't they instead just say 0.0045 inches?

Re:Not 400 times smaller (1)

mrak and swepe (799450) | more than 6 years ago | (#21741356)

I read it as meaning that its volume is -399 times the volume of a 1.8" hard drive, and it's -74 times as massive.

This didn't make any sense, so I stopped reading.

Specific Gravity 1.0? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21739112)

smaller than a penny, and weighing less than a drop of water

Less dense than water? Wow, for once floating-gate technology [wikipedia.org] actually floats!

Memory low... (3, Funny)

nonos (158469) | more than 6 years ago | (#21739144)

.. please insert coin !

English Penny (0)

Nom du Keyboard (633989) | more than 6 years ago | (#21739174)

Of course, that might be an old proper English "penny", which was a significant hunk of metal.

In the USA we don't have pennies. We have cents, each of which is worth 1/100 of a dollar.

Re:English Penny (1)

Pharmboy (216950) | more than 6 years ago | (#21739412)

You appear to have no sense. We still call them pennies [wikipedia.org] here in the USA, even if it isn't the official term.

Re:English Penny (3, Funny)

GogglesPisano (199483) | more than 6 years ago | (#21739634)

Now this is a prime example of why standard units are so important.

As I understand it, here on Slashdot, size is expressed in units of Library of Congresses. Let's do a few quick calculations:

So, uh, lessee... a US penny is .75 inches across... the Library of Congress has approximately 530 miles of shelf space... ...carry the two...

That means that this new chip is 2.2334E-08 Library of Congresses in size.

Happy to Help!

Re:English Penny (2, Informative)

serialdogma (883470) | more than 6 years ago | (#21739918)

Why deal with old pre-1707 English pennies, when a new one pence piece is called a penny? At 2cm diameter, this would be still quite small.

What are the percentage costs (1)

Deliveranc3 (629997) | more than 6 years ago | (#21739208)

of interface and controller?

Seems like they might be significant...

Re:What are the percentage costs (1)

KokorHekkus (986906) | more than 6 years ago | (#21740028)

Why should interface and controller costs be significant? It's certainly going to be less than for a regular drive since you won't have to deal with anything electromechanical. And if you compare with something similar as USB thumb drives they've come down so much in price that you can find them for a song in supermarkets these days... and they all have controller and interface electronics in them.

Breakfast Cereal (4, Funny)

Easy2RememberNick (179395) | more than 6 years ago | (#21739398)

It would make a great breakfast cereal if you had a whole bunch of them in a bowl covered in milk, and yes, of course, it would be called GigaBites.

Re:Breakfast Cereal (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21740112)

A bowl covered in milk? Some form of frozen dome perhaps?

Re:Breakfast Cereal (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21740462)

I'm pretty sure any cereal like that would have to go for the name "MegaBites".

beginning of the end for hard drives (1)

Jeff1946 (944062) | more than 6 years ago | (#21739468)

My current laptop with XP and Office is using about 13Gb of disk. No movie files, etc. So this could be my C: drive right now and I could use regular flash for data storage. Add a more efficient display (LED lit or eventually organic polymer) and new generation of efficient processor and you have a great portable system that would serve the needs of most folks.

Re:beginning of the end for hard drives (1)

Hal_Porter (817932) | more than 6 years ago | (#21739890)

I used a Fujitsu Siemens ultraportable for ages and that had a 20GB drive and a 1Ghz processor with XP. So yeah, 16GB is fine in an ultraportable.

Re:beginning of the end for hard drives (1)

peragrin (659227) | more than 6 years ago | (#21740094)

Actually I am waiting for something even better.

the core OS stored on one of these things. The boot loader loads the OS drive read only. The OS loads and runs. Swap, applications, etc are then stored on the regular HD.

Benefits boot times are quicker, but more importantly viruses can't modify the core OS. At least beyond a reboot. Think of it as a live CD for any computer. Security for even MSFT's software would be high.

Though knowing MSFt they would allow the drive to be switched to R/W by windows update.

How many drops of water? (1)

XPisthenewNT (629743) | more than 6 years ago | (#21739606)

So how many drops of water is the Library of Congress?

Re:How many drops of water? (1)

Yvan256 (722131) | more than 6 years ago | (#21740072)

Since the Library of Congress [answers.com] is 20 TeraBytes, and that 16 GigaBytes weights less than one drop of water (let's round the weight to one drop), that means 20TB / 16GB = 1280 [google.com] drops of water, and one drop of water is about 0.05ml [yahoo.com.au] , that means 1280 / 20 = 64 ml of water.

Re:How many drops of water? (1)

XPisthenewNT (629743) | more than 6 years ago | (#21741588)

haha, that is amazing, thank you!

I swear to God (1)

ale_ryu (1102077) | more than 6 years ago | (#21739658)

I read the title as Penis Sized Flash Module, and thought intel was trying a different approach to get a bigger share of the ladies market...

Re:I swear to God (1)

davidsyes (765062) | more than 6 years ago | (#21740464)

Wow...

Penis-Sized... and Tastecicles... what proximity... but, to get to the minor point...

I was half expecting references to "A penis for your kiss, an nuzzle for your thoughts, a hind if you tell me that you love me..."

(IRT: A penny for your thoughts, a nickel for a kiss.. a diiiime if you tell me that you love me..."

Hehehe

Disambiguity... (1)

Tastecicles (1153671) | more than 6 years ago | (#21739716)

"400 times smaller in volume than a 1.8-inch hard drive" ...As compared to what?

"and at 0.6 grams, 75 times lighter." ...As compared to what?

Are we talking 1/400 the volume of an average 1.8" HDD (at 9mm thick that'd make the 1.8" drive with a volume of 18812.86cu.mm, giving a volume for the flash of 47.03cu.mm) and 1/75 the mass? (come to think of it, I don't think I've come across a 1.8" HDD that masses in at 45 grammes... that'd be pretty damn heavy for a hard drive that size. Also would make for one very dense material. What're they making these drives out of, dead neutron stars?).

Incorrect unit for size used please correct it. (4, Funny)

140Mandak262Jamuna (970587) | more than 6 years ago | (#21739862)

I find that the summary uses "penny size" to describe the size of the chip. Slashdot Standard Units Manual, clearly states that the preferred units for length is football fields, (as in my bookshelf is 0.01 football fields wide).

Similarly preferred units data size is libraries of congress (as in sigfile in /. should be less than 80 femto libraries of congress)

For weight it is locomotives. As in "The sun weighs 3.72 tera locomotives)

And for flow rate it is Amazon river. The new regulations reduced the maximum flow rate for shower heads from 1.6 atto amazons to 1.2 atto amazons.

For volume the preferred units is number of Earths that could be stuffed into it. As in "The asteroid Gzibpat has the volume of 0.1 micro Earths.

So please recalculate the volume of the chip in Earths and resubmit the story.

Re:Incorrect unit for size used please correct it. (1)

corsec67 (627446) | more than 6 years ago | (#21740446)

No, the unit for volume is the VW Bug, unless it is REALLY big, and then it is Earths.

Re:Incorrect unit for size used please correct it. (1)

cmacb (547347) | more than 6 years ago | (#21741380)

NOW I feel bad for not doing more meta-modding. Unless whoever modded this "informative" were themselves trying to be funny, /. seems to be losing its sense of humor.

Well, it's a good post anyway, regardless what you call it I guess.

Truth in advertising (4, Informative)

somepunk (720296) | more than 6 years ago | (#21739894)

When I saw them comparing pennies for volume and water for weight, I knew there was some funny business afoot. A drop of water weight a damn lot less than a penny, so (even allowing a lot of room for variation in density) this flash thingie is likely a lot smaller than a penny, or a lot heavier than a drop of water, or they would have chosen some smaller familiar item to compare it with. That, combined with the fact that a "drop of water" is not exactly a well defined quantity, and it screams out for a fact check.

A quick google brought up a freshman chemistry lab report [asu.edu] , in microsoft word format, even. Not exactly the paragon of authority, but it is well known that freshman chemistry students have a far greater respect for the truth then marketers.

Their value for the mass of a drop of water is .025 grams, which is twenty-four times less than the .6 grams that the mass of the flash memory. I thought so.

It isn't hard to imagine a .6 gram drop of water, actually, just to be fair to those dorks, but I don't think it would resemble the familiar ones that most of us are accumstomed to.

$640K (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21739982)

$640K should be enough for anyone.

someone had to say it.

Does a drop of water weigh the same on the moon? (1)

giafly (926567) | more than 6 years ago | (#21740402)

weighing less than a drop of water
In lower gravity everything weighs less, including water. But a drop should be able to grow bigger before it breaks from a dripping tap/faucet and falls. Maybe these two effects cancel out, making the "drop of water" a useful standard weight for everywhere in the solar system.

Or maybe Intel's PR team are full of Christmas spirit and have bet each other to use randomly-chosen phrases.

OELD display + Silverthorne + Flash SSD (1)

chipace (671930) | more than 6 years ago | (#21740480)

There are a lot of great new technologies reaching production soon... computing form factors are ready for a big change. I would love to see a range of products based on Sony's 13inch OELD, Intel's silverthrone and small flash SSDs.

Small memory (1)

Taser (315566) | more than 6 years ago | (#21740554)

Making it even easier to lose large amounts of personal records!!

Actually, I'd love to see these serve as "wetware" direct-to-brain memory enhancements. My brain seems to have been leaking memory capacity ever since I've been a parent (currently 3yo and a bundle of energy).

Imagine a b... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21740754)

So a 3.5" SSD could hold 3200 of these, eh? That'd be 50TB.
If we could build such (or anything even magnitude worse in terms of density), why are data centers still filled with sluggish, big, unreliable, electricity hogging, obsolete etc 15krpm moving-parts-tech?

The NEW news (1)

OxFF52 (1126819) | more than 6 years ago | (#21741086)

Intel produced a "mobile internet device", MID, earlier in the year... and it of course came with a 1.8 inch hard-drive with Mobile Windows. (http://www.windowsfordevices.com/news/NS2312330067.html [windowsfordevices.com]

The problems with this was that you have to boot windows from a hard-drive, put it in suspend, watch your battery life dissipate, then scrap it for uselessness.

So Intel adds a smaller SSD memory for Linux and provides "instant on" features.

While this is not revolutionary, it does indicate where things are going. Everyone is already used to "instant on" mobile phones. The iPhone has the capabilities of an entire operating system, and the latest iPod is basically the iPhone without the phone.

What is GREAT about this is that Intel recognizes the "consumer demand" and isn't holding to the Wintel architecure of the past. While a MID by itself will never be marketable, it paves the way for Intel (and other manufacturers) to more quickly respond to market demands.

Sooner or later, devices will interact better such that you can simply set your [mobile device] next to ANY keyboard, display, printer, fax and use the applications and data at hand without complicated configuration.

Menlow (1)

RobBebop (947356) | more than 6 years ago | (#21741436)

I started looking into Intel's Menlow Platform, and it appears that a company called Elektrobit is developing the first device which uses it.

http://www.elektrobit.com/index.php?599 [elektrobit.com]

They are calling their product the "EB Mobile Internet Multimedia Device, MIMD" which is a boring an unexciting name, but it looks like it will be available by next year. I like the larger sized keyboard it includes.

Why wait until 2008? (1)

PhotoGuy (189467) | more than 6 years ago | (#21742002)

6GB for $100, a lot smaller than a penny:

http://www.sandisk.com/Products/ProductInfo.aspx?ID=2447 [sandisk.com]

The article refers to 40mb/sec, which is faster than the 5 to 10mb/sec the linked product will do. Other than speed, is there any advantage to the Intel offering?
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