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Zen and the Art of Guitar Hero

Zonk posted more than 6 years ago | from the watching-a-master-at-work dept.

Games 220

An anonymous reader writes "Julian Murdoch over at GamersWithJobs.com has what can only be described as a piece of liturgy, proclaiming a religious experience at his local Best Buy as he watches someone beat 'Through the Fire and the Flames' on Expert in Guitar Hero 3. 'At 6 minutes in, a small crowd has formed, perhaps 15 of us. His sravaka — his disciples — look nervously at us, absorbing the distractions, protecting him a bubble of calm. There is complete silence. Even my son is staring slackjawed, like he does in church during communion, not understanding the content of the ritual but understanding the tone and sacredness of the space.'"

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220 comments

Cue in Southpark jokes... (5, Funny)

kitzkar (980045) | more than 6 years ago | (#21738320)

... in 3... 2... 1...

Re:Cue in Southpark jokes... (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21738434)

You....Are...Fags!

Re:Cue in Southpark jokes... (2, Informative)

Fierythrasher (777913) | more than 6 years ago | (#21739026)

Obviously you have not been modded up for this very funny comment because no one has SEEN that South Park episode and, instead, thinks you're just trolling.

Re:Cue in Southpark jokes... (1)

Poltras (680608) | more than 6 years ago | (#21739148)

Obviously you have not been modded up for this very funny comment because no one has SEEN that South Park episode and, instead, thinks you're just trolling.
If no one can get the reference, it's not funny. That's the very definition of humor and inside jokes.
Then, by deduction, if no one on slashdot laughs, there's no need to mod him funny.

Re:Cue in Southpark jokes... (4, Funny)

Psmylie (169236) | more than 6 years ago | (#21739318)

If a tree tells a joke in the forest and nobody hears it, is it still funny?

Probably not, but it's still a talking tree, and that's worth something.

Re:Cue in Southpark jokes... (5, Funny)

Fierythrasher (777913) | more than 6 years ago | (#21739454)

So inside jokes have no value? I refer to Denis Miller's 5% joke guideline where the majority of his jokes have to hit the mass audience but several of his more esoteric references are aimed at only the 5% of the audience who knows what he's talking about. If you're in the 95% you're confused, but if you're in the 5% then it's funny as all hell.

Re:Cue in Southpark jokes... (1)

Poltras (680608) | more than 6 years ago | (#21740688)

If you're in the 95% you're confused, but if you're in the 5% then it's funny as all hell.
If that 5% don't have mod points, don't ask the remaining 95% to mod the inside joke funny. The system works.

Re:Cue in Southpark jokes... (4, Funny)

StarvingSE (875139) | more than 6 years ago | (#21738718)

Afterward, the kid couldn't take all the fame that came after this huge best buy show. He went into his basement and played Heroin Hero for weeks straight in order to deal with it.

Re:Cue in Southpark jokes... (1)

Reverend528 (585549) | more than 6 years ago | (#21740048)

Step 1) Play Guitar Hero
Step 2) ???
Step 3) Profit!

Re:Cue in Southpark jokes... (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21740836)

Wrong southpark joke, mr. five-years-ago.

Wait... (0, Flamebait)

jskline (301574) | more than 6 years ago | (#21738358)

Is this for real???

Come on people. It's a damned game. Get a life. Come back to planet earth where you originated from. What on earth are these people thinking??? :-)

Re:Wait... (2, Insightful)

eln (21727) | more than 6 years ago | (#21738500)

Let me translate for you:

Kid who is very skilled at a game decides to play the game on the demo unit at the store. Kid does very well. A few people stop for a few seconds to watch him play, as people tend to do when others are playing the demo units, especially if they're doing well. Kid finishes playing, one or two people clap briefly, people leave.

The rest is just storytelling. The author was impressed by someone who was obviously far better at the game than he could ever be, but he was being a little melodramatic about it.

Re:Wait... (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21740082)

Thanks for the translation, Captain Miserable.

Re:Wait... (4, Insightful)

east coast (590680) | more than 6 years ago | (#21738618)

Come on people. It's a damned game.

Tell yourself that the next time that it's ESPN or ESPN2 or The NFL channel or any other number of sports channels that guys gladly pay money to see people playing a game. It's a big business.

Granted, the story is a bit gonzo but every game has it's fans that are going to make it out to be more than it is. Why not let the geeks be happy about it for a minute.

The kid is probably not the Roger Federer of GH... (5, Insightful)

Jeremy.DeGroot (878927) | more than 6 years ago | (#21739106)

But TFA reminded me of this piece [nytimes.com] .

Tennis is also a "damned game," but fans of the sport know it can be a venue for people to do amazing, humbling things. I don't play Guitar Hero, so I wouldn't appreciate the performance in the Best Buy. I expect that as a GH fan, the author had the same experience that millions of tennis fans have had watching Roger dominate the men's tour for the last half-decade. Think about the last time you were wowed at a concert, or at an art museum. Think about touring one of Europe's beautiful cathedrals. There's a reason that they build them that big, and that beautiful. The architecture, and the art all around you, helps people find God. Tennis and Guitar Hero can be art too, and can have the same effect if you know what you're seeing.

Re:Wait... (1)

MrShaggy (683273) | more than 6 years ago | (#21739164)

I can remember wayyyy back..

When the local Macs Milk. We got the first video game.
Kids were crammed around it for hours. Fascinated by what was happening.

It doesn't happen so much anymore, because they is not so much a public display of skill.
I think that is why the pro-gamer thing has taken off.

There is an audience because the people that were looking at these people playng that game, are the ones who are the spectators.

Re:Wait... (1)

brkello (642429) | more than 6 years ago | (#21740104)

Play the game. When you see how challenging it can be it becomes easy to understand why it would be fun to watch the game played on its highest level. Even if you have experience playing a musical instrument (I play the violin), it still is very challenging.

Re:Wait... (1)

Volante3192 (953645) | more than 6 years ago | (#21740576)

What gets me is this kid gets a crowd around him for a video game.

Joshua Bell, one of the foremost violin players on the planet, with a Strad, incognito at a D.C. metro station can't get more than 5 people to stop and listen while he plays.

Re:Wait... (3, Insightful)

WinterSolstice (223271) | more than 6 years ago | (#21740992)

Shoppers are not commuters. Commuters have trains to catch. Shoppers are just killing time.

When I am trying to catch a train it wouldn't matter *who* was playing - if I miss my train and am late to work it'll matter a whole lot more.

Re:Wait... (1)

AuMatar (183847) | more than 6 years ago | (#21741458)

Well, to be fair, most people including myself wouldn't know what a strad looked like. Now if he had a sign on pointing out its a strad, he'd recieve a lot of attention. Mainly from muggers, but still lots of attention.

soooo (-1, Flamebait)

gEvil (beta) (945888) | more than 6 years ago | (#21738410)

So, we have a guy who not only is enough of a dork to master the game, but then he goes to Best Buy to show off to strangers? That's kinda sad.

Re:soooo (2, Funny)

sayfawa (1099071) | more than 6 years ago | (#21738780)

Stop being so mean to him. He's probably around here somewhere and he may have mod points. We should go to some less dorky forum and make fun of him there.

Re:soooo (4, Insightful)

Psmylie (169236) | more than 6 years ago | (#21739298)

If you take the time to get good at something, why not enjoy the benefits? It's not hurting anyone, it might drive interest in the game (good for the manufacturer and for the resailer) and if people enjoy watching, it's good for them too. As long as he doesn't develop his self-worth around how well he plays Guitar Hero, I don't see a problem with it

But it's so COOL to look jaded and cynical! (5, Insightful)

spun (1352) | more than 6 years ago | (#21740036)

Certain very insecure dorks need to put down anything others think is cool, in order to try to look big and important, like they've seen it all and nothing can impress them. They only end up looking cool to other insecure dorks who will then put them down behind their backs. Adults don't give a rats ass what talkers say, we care about what doers do, and insecure jaded cynical children don't usually do much of anything.

You know what's cooler than jaded cynicism? Enthusiasm. We don't want to hear how you could have done it better. Show us. We don't need you to point out that it's "been done." Do it, or don't, but don't shit on our graham crackers and call it a s'more.

Re:But it's so COOL to look jaded and cynical! (2, Insightful)

MadHatter2005 (886375) | more than 6 years ago | (#21740830)

insecure jaded cynical children don't usually do much of anything

You are absolutely correct. Now that I'm a bit older I look at all the 'cool' hyper-cynical friends that I used to hang around with. They haven't done much with their lives, because creating something new necessitates a bit of risk, and oh god, what if you fail? Then all the other jaded and cynical folks you hang out with might make fun of you.

Re:soooo (1)

techpawn (969834) | more than 6 years ago | (#21741198)

If you take the time to get good at something, why not enjoy the benefits? It's not hurting anyone, it might drive interest in the game

Like the people who "freestyle" DDR. It draws people over to watch the monkey dance then some stick around to try the game and/or talk to the player (who may or may not be a jerk about it).

Re:soooo (1)

Stefanwulf (1032430) | more than 6 years ago | (#21740276)

Seriously, did you never hang out at an arcade growing up? Even if you grew up before video arcades, you'd have found someone who was king of the local pinball tables. People like showing off their skills, and people like watching a skilled performance. Public displays of personal skill have a long, deep-seated tradition in many, many cultures, and are a driving force in many non-team sports, and even some team ones such as the pick-up basketball games played in inner cities. It's really not that strange.

Not that exciting (0)

CastrTroy (595695) | more than 6 years ago | (#21738430)

I saw a kid playing Guitar Hero at the Dell booth in the mall on the weekend. The game looked pretty boring to me. Not anywhere close to as interesting as watching someone play DDR well on the difficult levels. Watching Guitar Hero is like watching somebody play Simon [wikipedia.org] . All you have to do is press the right buttons at the right time.

Re:Not that exciting (3, Insightful)

HeavensBlade23 (946140) | more than 6 years ago | (#21738474)

You realize DDR and Guitar Hero are basically the exact same game with different interfaces right? Both games ultimately boil down to hitting a button (with your foot or with your finger) in time with the music.

Re:Not that exciting (2, Insightful)

CastrTroy (595695) | more than 6 years ago | (#21738512)

I realize that. But it's much more exciting to watch somebody with that kind of coordination with their feet, than it is to watch someone do the exact same thing with large buttons laid out on a stick. Actually using your feet, rather than your fingers, makes the game a lot more interesting.

Re:Not that exciting (1)

Racemaniac (1099281) | more than 6 years ago | (#21738678)

well, then try it yourself i've played it a bit, and can see how it can be just as hard as DDR the main issue is that with the way you hold the guitar, that you've got 5 buttons and 4 fingers... also, having to tap the strings at the right moment als adds a challenge etc... it looks very easy, but is hard to master, like most games that are a lot of fun to play :)

Re:Not that exciting (2, Interesting)

CastrTroy (595695) | more than 6 years ago | (#21738732)

I get that it's fun, I get that it's challenging. What I don't get is why anybody would want to watch it be played. I think it would be fun to play. I don't think it's a fun game to watch.

Re:Not that exciting (4, Funny)

XxtraLarGe (551297) | more than 6 years ago | (#21738970)

I get that it's fun, I get that it's challenging. What I don't get is why anybody would want to watch it be played. I think it would be fun to play. I don't think it's a fun game to watch.
That's the way I feel about golf...

Re:Not that exciting (4, Funny)

damaki (997243) | more than 6 years ago | (#21739162)

Strangely, I do not feel the same about boxing...

Re:Not that exciting (5, Funny)

XxtraLarGe (551297) | more than 6 years ago | (#21739430)

Strangely, I do not feel the same about boxing...
Yeah, boxing is probably the opposite of golf. Fun to watch, but not very fun to play...

Re:Not that exciting (1)

poopdeville (841677) | more than 6 years ago | (#21739130)

A real guitar has 6 strings. And you have to push down the strings at the right time. And actually use a pick (or finger pick).

Re:Not that exciting (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21740244)

> And you have to push down the strings at the right time

Um.. No. The right strings have to be pressed when you strum.. The guitar, for the most part, doesn't care when you pushed 'em down.

Re:Not that exciting (1)

UbuntuDupe (970646) | more than 6 years ago | (#21740356)

Exactly. As a DDR fanatic, when I first played GH, I was like, "Hey, this is just like when I want to be lame and play DDR with a hand-held controller". Unfortunately, since my fingers get sore and lock up quickly from doing things like GH, I can't go around and "pwn" everybody. But I did surprise the people who were watching me play for the first time.

Plus, DDR has doubles mode where you have to dance across two pads. (Crowds will often form when I do that.) Some rare arcades have quad mode where you dance across four pads lined up. I wish there were a version where the four pads were arranged 2x2 and will try to write a program to handle that if no one else comes up with it.

As for the person who made the comment about "four fingers to five buttons", DDR has two feet to four buttons, or two feet to eight buttons if you do doubles.

Re:Not that exciting (1)

Nerdfest (867930) | more than 6 years ago | (#21741082)

It's a pretty impressive thing to see, although I'm not sure I'd watch it on TSN. Now, play through 'Through the Fire and Flames' on expert using a DDR mat ... that I'd watch.

Re:Not that exciting (1)

damaki (997243) | more than 6 years ago | (#21739000)

Fortunately, with Guitar Hero, you're not splashed by the player's sweat when he's playing hard songs.

Re:Not that exciting (1)

Webz (210489) | more than 6 years ago | (#21739956)

It's different though. In DDR, your steps go along with the music. If you miss a step, nothing happens other than a couple boos or dead arrows. But in Guitar Hero and Rock Band, the music of the instrument will actually cut out if you aren't performing it properly. So it's a different sort of feedback mechanism, and a better one, I think. It feels like the music is caused by you, which makes it feel like you're really rocking out. That and it's more of a group experience. The game gives a lot of bonuses for coordinated effort, while in DDR, there really wasn't any sort of synergy between players at all (strictly versus).

Re:Not that exciting (4, Insightful)

mpathetiq (726625) | more than 6 years ago | (#21738482)

All you have to do is press the right buttons at the right time.

All the best games have simple objectives.

Re:Not that exciting (1)

CastrTroy (595695) | more than 6 years ago | (#21738578)

It might be fun to play. I wasn't arguing that. What I was saying, was that it isn't fun to watch. Playing Simon is fun. Watching someone else play Simon is not. I don't know why somebody would be drawn to watch someone playing Guitar Hero unless it was just to pass the time while they were waiting for their turn to play.

Re:Not that exciting (1)

mpathetiq (726625) | more than 6 years ago | (#21739088)

I'm not exactly sure why it's entertaining to watch, but damn it is. I think it's because you see a visual approximation of what's going on in the song (sort of like a score) AND you get to see people make funny faces and dance while they play.

Re:Not that exciting (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21739598)

http://it.youtube.com/watch?v=hcF8YxqDnMU [youtube.com]

Watch this and really...you'll all understand why some games are great to be watched playing....

Re:Not that exciting (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21739876)

>All the best games have simple objectives.

Including the game that is woman. I know the objective but have yet to score.

To tell you the truth, I don't even understand the rules.

Re:Not that exciting (1)

Bill, Shooter of Bul (629286) | more than 6 years ago | (#21740548)

No.. Young grasshopper. The best games are those without any objectives at all.

Re:Not that exciting (1)

mpathetiq (726625) | more than 6 years ago | (#21741614)

I like that. You are awesome.

Re:Not that exciting (3, Insightful)

jriding (1076733) | more than 6 years ago | (#21738518)

I too felt that way. The strange part is watching (the game looks retarded) but playing with all that mystery of "air guitar" and being a rocker it really brings it to life... now as you watch you say wow.. red and green same time then move to blue.. that doesn't look hard at all.. its just a pattern. Then you play... realizing your fingers do not listen to your brain. and it gets a lot more exciting.. The next time you watch someone pull off some insane finger combo's you understand how hard it really is and you appreciate their talent for dexterity and coordination. Again I agree you look stupid playing it and it looks like a boring game.. my only recommendation is give it a try for a couple of songs... .you may not go out and play at best buy, but you might just end up adding it to your game collection for playing in your house.

Re:Not that exciting (1)

k_187 (61692) | more than 6 years ago | (#21738674)

Exactly, Guitar Hero is to Guitar Playing what kareoke is to Singing. Its not about what you're doing, its how you're doing it.

Re:Not that exciting (2, Insightful)

CastrTroy (595695) | more than 6 years ago | (#21738826)

I would equate it more to lip syncing. To be good at Karaoke, you still have to know how to sing. To be good at lip syncing, you just have to move you lips in time with the music.

Re:Not that exciting (1)

samhain_tm (731049) | more than 6 years ago | (#21740358)

If you've been around some of the people I know that do karaoke, knowing how to sing is not a factor. All said and done, GH is exactly what a video game should be. It's simple, addictive, challenging, nad makes you feel like you are a part of the game. My only problem with it is that I keep trying to play the songs like I was playing my real guitar. I keep trying to finger a chord when I should be pressing a single button...

Re:Not that exciting (3, Insightful)

east coast (590680) | more than 6 years ago | (#21738550)

All you have to do is press the right buttons at the right time.

Isn't that all any video game is really?

But we see the exceptions if we think about it and that's why there is a current trend in gaming. Namely the Wii and Guitar Hero. We're use to the game pad or WASD controls. The Wii and Guitar Hero leads us to a different style of play that is exciting to people. For Guitar Hero it's people's chance to play on a "real" guitar without the years of practice it would take to play these same songs for real.

In the case of the Wii people are all up on a different controller style too. The idea of waving one's hand and making something happen on-screen is a form of magic to most people.

Re:Not that exciting (1)

CastrTroy (595695) | more than 6 years ago | (#21738680)

Yes, theoretically that's all any video game is about. However, Guitar Hero lets you play the same level over and over again, memorizing the same moves. Contrast that to other games, where there is a little randomness thrown in, so you can't just press the exact same buttons you did last time in order to repeat your performance. Or contrast even further with games where you play against people, where you have to think even more, and adapt to their strategies, because they are adapting to yours, and it becomes apparent that games like Guitar Hero are nothing more than just memorization.

Re:Not that exciting (1)

flitty (981864) | more than 6 years ago | (#21739060)

Some games are beaten through memorization and practice, (GH3, Rock band, Ikaruga, Most old Nintendo Games) and other games are beat through strategy (multiplayer games, RPG's, etc), they are fun for different reasons, and exercise different parts of your brain. Bemoaning the quality of one as opposed to the other is only opinion.

Re:Not that exciting (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21739180)

I play guitar hero quite a bit and I don't "memorize" any of the songs. If you could go through and memorize the hundreds and even thousands of notes on all of the songs, then you would be some sort of... memorizing guy with lots of stuff memorized.

A lot of people who don't play DDR or Guitar Hero just assume that if they can't read the notes coming down that the player must be memorizing it. The biggest challenge on moving up from Easy on those games though is learning how to read them. I was able to pick up guitar hero and quickly move to Expert because I already knew how to read from DDR. Memorization has little to do with it in my experience. Even if you did have to memorize the notes, there are other things in play, like rhythm, timing, coordination and stamina (even in guitar hero, your strumming arm can start to burn a lot).

Then again you do have the idiots that play one song over and over so they can play it backwards. Those people are just douchebags.

Re:Not that exciting (1)

C0rinthian (770164) | more than 6 years ago | (#21739630)

I hate to burst your bubble, but memorization is the way to play that game on the harder levels. You think a player doing Through the Fire and Flame on expert is actually reacting to what's coming down the fretboard? Hell no, they've worked on it enough that they already have all the patterns down to muscle memory.

From the perspective of 'real' musicians, memorization is very common. Just about anything I played in a concert was memorized. Sheet music was up for reference only. You're watching a conductor 90% of the time. Some instruments pretty much require it. Piano, for example.

Re:Not that exciting (1)

aicrules (819392) | more than 6 years ago | (#21738560)

Perhaps not as exciting to watch as people playing DDR in public, but just as dorky...BOY BANDS OF THE WORLD UNITE!

Re:Not that exciting (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21738644)

[quote]Guitar Hero ... looked pretty boring to me ... All you have to do is press the right buttons at the right time.[/quote] ... and yet it is strangely compelling. In fact I would have toitally agreed with you until I was at a party recently where guitar hero 3 was on in one room. That was the most popular part of the party, and the game was in use constantly, from 6 or 7 in the evening until 5am. Everyone wanted to play, geeks, non-geeks, girls, everyone. It definitely had that Tetris-like "I shouldn't have made that mistake, one more try, I'll get it right this time" addictiveness to it, and as a spectator sport it was brilliant. Everyone was cheering on the players (particularly the one show-off who started trick-playing: with his back turned to the screen, with the guitar behind his head, with his teeth etc).

In short, try it. It's almost worth buying the console for imho, and I've never even owned a console before.

Re:Not that exciting (1)

kilo_foxtrot84 (1016017) | more than 6 years ago | (#21738730)

All you have to do is press the right buttons at the right time.
That's pretty much what DDR is, too. Different strums for different chums, I suppose.

Re:Not that exciting (1)

MaWeiTao (908546) | more than 6 years ago | (#21738840)

I saw this kid playing it at some game store and it seemed like a neat game. What really struck me, however, was all the clacking that came from the controller itself. For me it hurts immersion when the controller is making the same kinds of noises as a cheap keyboard.

Re:Not that exciting (1)

NeilTheStupidHead (963719) | more than 6 years ago | (#21739384)

I had the same problem when I first picked up GH2 after playing it at a party, I came up with two solutions:
1) Turn the music up. Obviously, if you can't hear yourself think, you can't hear the guitar click.
2) Be gentle. The clicking spring only makes noise if you hammer on the strum button or release it quickly. I can play on hard and expert, only moving the strum button a small degree of it's full range of motion, just enough to trigger the switch in the guitar, without the clicking.
3) It isn't the cheap keyboards that make those loud clicking sounds, it's some of the best damn keyboards ever [wikipedia.org] IMO.

Okay, the last one wasn't a solution to the guitar clicking problem, but you get the idea.

Re:Not that exciting (1)

cowscows (103644) | more than 6 years ago | (#21740562)

Sadly in most game stores you can't turn the volume of the game up all that much. I'm not one of those people who drives down the street with his car stereo shaking all the vehicles around him, but when you get into the game and you're having fun pretending you're a rock star, you pretty much feel the need to crank the volume. And then you don't hear the plastic at all.

And if you take it in a different direction, and are trying to play the game 100% technically perfect, the clicking is a good indication that helps you improve your timing and such.

It's not a dealbreaker by any means.

Re:Not that exciting (3, Funny)

my $anity 0 (917519) | more than 6 years ago | (#21738890)

Watching someone play DDR is definitely more fun.
Especially if said someone is a cute girl (or guy, depending on how your attractions lie).

But, then again, most games weren't meant to be watched, they were meant to be played.
Prince of Persia is an exception.

Re:Not that exciting (1)

damaki (997243) | more than 6 years ago | (#21739542)

Oooh yeah. *remembering cute girl with high heels and light summer clothes playing DDR*.
This was a hot summer!

Re:Not that exciting (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21741506)

DDR in high-heels? Ouch.

Re:Not that exciting (1)

cei (107343) | more than 6 years ago | (#21740100)

And yet Dragon's Lair [wikipedia.org] made boatloads of money on the same concept back in the day.

(And Simon was more memory, and less rhythm based.)

Open-source GH clone (2, Informative)

TheForgotton (995762) | more than 6 years ago | (#21738540)

I've been thinking about giving one of those Guitar Hero games a spin but I don't want to drop a crapload of money on a new console (or video card for the windows port) plus the cost of the game and controller. It turns out that there is a pygame project called Frets on Fire [sourceforge.net] that uses your computer keyboard as your axe. It's GNU gpl and cross-platform though I can only vouch for Windows myself.

The only downside is the lack of licensed songs. There looks to be a pretty good community with lots of user-created songs for it, and there is some sort of way to import GH songs if you own the games.

Re:Open-source GH clone (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21738602)

and the fact that, playing on a laptop is kinda lame cos they locked the keys to the f keys...

Re:Open-source GH clone (1)

ostermei (832410) | more than 6 years ago | (#21740418)

While I completely understand the desire to have an open source alternative to anything, as you pointed out, the lack of licensed songs will be a dealbreaker for an open source Guitar Hero clone. As you expressed reservations about having to buy an entire console in addition to the game, allow me to point out that you can purchase just the game alone [ebgames.com] (well, game and guitar controller) for Windows and Mac (in one package) for a relatively-measly $80.

And to make the deal even sweeter, Frets on Fire allows you to use the guitar controller [wikidot.com] , too, so you can have the best of both worlds.

Re:Open-source GH clone (1)

ostermei (832410) | more than 6 years ago | (#21740862)

D'oh. Just noticed your comment about not wanting to purchase a new video card for the Windows port... Since that basically invalidates the majority of my last post, I'll focus more on the fact that buying the game would net you an official Guitar Hero controller that, per the last link in my previous post, can be used with Frets on Fire to make the experience that much more authentic. Plus, as you pointed out, FoF also lets you import songs from GH [wikidot.com] , so the $80 package would give you the hardware and the content, just not the software, which you would be supplying yourself through FoF.

zzz (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21738594)

"hey guys lets go down to the best buy and show off our mad guitar hero skillz"

I don't get it (1, Insightful)

edremy (36408) | more than 6 years ago | (#21738646)

Can I be the only person on earth that doesn't "get" Guitar Hero? I've seen people play it on expert and even write some truly amazing user mods for it (Search for "erotomania guitar hero" on youtube) but it just doesn't make much sense. In the time it takes to get that good at GH, you could learn to play the guitar for real. (Ok, maybe not Erotomania) Personally, I suspect that folks would be more impressed with playing a real axe, even poorly, than a plastic one at Best Buy

Re:I don't get it (4, Insightful)

nlawalker (804108) | more than 6 years ago | (#21739014)

[[In the time it takes to get that good at GH, you could learn to play the guitar for real.]] It's really easy to say that, but I don't think it's true. I five-star songs here and there on expert (none of the insanely hard ones) and I've only been playing for a month or two. Unlike a real guitar, I don't have to spend time learning songs by playing sections over and over, I can just pick up the controller and shred. It's a lot of fun, and very satisfying.

Re:I don't get it (1)

paleo2002 (1079697) | more than 6 years ago | (#21739058)

Its the fantasy element. I could go take fencing lessons, but that doesn't mean I'll get to slay monsters. I could take guitar lessons, but I might never be good enough to play my favorite rock songs. My brother is a great guitarist, self-taught, and he's still looking forward to GH under the tree.

Re:I don't get it (4, Insightful)

ivan256 (17499) | more than 6 years ago | (#21739062)

As somebody learning to play the guitar, let me tell you... It is much harder to learn to play a real guitar with any decency than it is to be fairly good at guitar hero. At least for me it is... You can do quite well at guitar hero after a couple tries. It can take months, or years to be any good at all at a real guitar.

But that's not the point, anyway. The reason people play guitar hero is because it's fun. It's fun like karaoke night at your local bar, and a party video game all at once.

Re:I don't get it (4, Insightful)

cowscows (103644) | more than 6 years ago | (#21739152)

I learned to play guitar hero reasonably competently in about an hour. After that hour, I was good enough that I could enjoy playing some of the harder songs, and pretend for just a moment that I was a rock star. That's what the game is about, and it serves its purpose very well. And if you give Rock Band a try with some friends, you'll see even more potential there.

Comparing playing GH to learning a real instrument is missing the point.

Re:I don't get it (1)

Is0m0rph (819726) | more than 6 years ago | (#21739440)

To quote South Park: "Guitars are for old people"

Re:I don't get it (4, Interesting)

bobintetley (643462) | more than 6 years ago | (#21739516)

They're two completely different things. I've played guitar for 20 years and I can play most of the tracks in Guitar Hero on a real guitar. I've also five starred every song on expert in every Guitar Hero game (with the exception of Jordan and TTFATF).

Guitar Hero is fun. It's not the same as playing a real instrument, nor will it give you the skills you need to play a real instrument. It's a blast in itself and great fun if you have friends over (or play online). When playing at expert level, most of the songs are actually way more difficult to play on Guitar Hero than they are on a real guitar (granted, to someone who can already play) because of the limited button interface, this just serves to make it even more satisfying when you pull it off.

I suggest you try it with an open mind before you knock it - you might just find you enjoy it. Just see it for what it is - an excellent piece of entertainment.

Re:I don't get it (1)

toolie (22684) | more than 6 years ago | (#21739710)

In the time it takes to get that good at GH, you could learn to play the guitar for real.
Spoken like somebody that has never played either GH or a real guitar. A real guitar can take years of dedicated practice to play some of the songs you get to play in the GH series. There is a reason it is as popular as it is.

Re:I don't get it (1)

Bill, Shooter of Bul (629286) | more than 6 years ago | (#21740636)

Dude, If you're playing guitar to learn how to play other people songs... You're missing the point. The game version mimics the glory, while robbing the soul.

Re:I don't get it (1)

mathletics (1033070) | more than 6 years ago | (#21739946)

With Guitar Hero you're always playing with a full band to a cheering audience. It's not as satisfying as learning an instrument in the long term, but when I just want a perfect 3.5 minutes of rock glory, Guitar Hero is much easier to manage.

Re:I don't get it (1)

gad_zuki! (70830) | more than 6 years ago | (#21740140)

>In the time it takes to get that good at GH, you could learn to play the guitar for real.

Bullshit. It took me weeks just to be able to hold down 12 open chords and one barre chord without muting the other strings. Just getting my hands used to such strange positions is an exercise in pain and frustration.

It took me 30-45 minutes to be able to play GH at medium without many failed songs.

I've noticed something (5, Insightful)

Nailexe (1086827) | more than 6 years ago | (#21738662)

I've noticed something that Guitar Hero players and real guitar players have in common. Guitar Hero players think you're lazy and suck if you play on medium, real guitar players think you're lazy and suck if you don't play guitar. And unless you're damn amazing absolutely neither of them will get you laid.

Just have a guitar near you and get laid! (4, Funny)

StCredZero (169093) | more than 6 years ago | (#21738846)

Oh, yeah? According to this, some guys can get laid just by having a guitar near them and never taking it out of the case!

http://www.craigslist.org/about/best/pdx/105596028.html [craigslist.org]

Re:Just have a guitar near you and get laid! (1)

larien (5608) | more than 6 years ago | (#21740226)

See also Lemmy [wikipedia.org] .

Re:I've noticed something (1)

illuminatedwax (537131) | more than 6 years ago | (#21739462)

Talent has nothing to do with getting laid. The trick is to say you're in a band. Whereas no amount of Guitar Hero skill will get you anything.

Re:I've noticed something (1)

jskline (301574) | more than 6 years ago | (#21740538)

I must be missing something...

I never once thought that everything in life revolved around getting laid! :-)

That's nothing new... (4, Interesting)

hal2814 (725639) | more than 6 years ago | (#21738664)

Who remembers the crowds that used to form around the one-on-one fighting games? People cheering and booing and complaining about cheap moves and whatever made the game a blast to play. I own most of the home ports of the Capcom and SNK fighters but nothing will beat the times I played Marvel Super Heroes (the only one I was any good at) for over an hour straight on $0.50. I played person after person and then I thought everybody had gone away. I ended up beating the game and realized that everyone else was still back there watching. It was kind of a cool feeling.

Re:That's nothing new... (1)

hansamurai (907719) | more than 6 years ago | (#21739194)

You've probably seen this but it's one of those epic moments from fighting game tournaments that gives me goosebumps.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KS7hkwbKmBM [youtube.com]

Gamerade Douche Sauce... (-1, Offtopic)

Recovering Hater (833107) | more than 6 years ago | (#21738692)

...Is it in you!?

It's not the game.. (1)

Brian Lewis (1011579) | more than 6 years ago | (#21738938)

It's the subliminal messages in the game that tell you to continue to play :)

Why don't they make a guitar hero with a real guitar.. and you actually have to match the pitch.. That would be cool, and teach you how to play all at once.. But then again the nerds who play Guitar Hero wouldn't want to get a sore finger...

Likewise, they wouldn't want to have any real talent :)

Re:It's not the game.. (1)

Mayhem178 (920970) | more than 6 years ago | (#21739476)

But then again the nerds who play Guitar Hero wouldn't want to get a sore finger...

You're obviously never played Guitar Hero.

Likewise, they wouldn't want to have any real talent :)

This says it all [ctrlaltdel-online.com] .

Re:It's not the game.. (2, Insightful)

C0rinthian (770164) | more than 6 years ago | (#21739736)

Likewise, they wouldn't want to have any real talent :)
Work ethic is worth a hell of a lot more than talent. Just about anyone can play an instrumet or sing, or dance, or whatever. Some people have talent and start out a little more proficient than others. That head start is worthless if they don't have the work ethic to do anything with it.

Wait! Ive seen this before? (4, Funny)

Altus (1034) | more than 6 years ago | (#21739312)


was he deaf, dumb, and blind?

Re:Wait! Ive seen this before? (1)

geminidomino (614729) | more than 6 years ago | (#21739804)

"Sure plays a mean guitar hero???"

Just doesn't sound the same. :(

The Real Guitar Hero sounds like... (0, Flamebait)

quickpick (1021471) | more than 6 years ago | (#21740922)

click...clickity clickity click....clickclickclickclickclickclick....clickity...clickity...clickity....click...etc..
Sad but true, wouldn't it be more awesome to play a REAL Guitar?

Re:The Real Guitar Hero sounds like... (2, Insightful)

Xzazarill (201704) | more than 6 years ago | (#21741102)

Seriously, you people are starting to sound like a broken record. Why bother to post a comment like this when what seems like half the internet has already said it?

And it's a poorly thought-out thing to say in the first place. Why don't Tony Hawk players go out and actually skateboard? Why don't DDR players just go find a real dancefloor? Why don't Madden players grab a real football?

Because the video games are FUN, so SHUT UP.

Cool! A Minnie Driver/Anne Hathaway love scene. (1, Funny)

Impy the Impiuos Imp (442658) | more than 6 years ago | (#21740940)

> Zen and the Art of Guitar Hero

So, combining two colossal wastes of time, music burnouthood and video games, into one and labeling those who do it as "heroes" isn't enough? Now you're intertwining yet another reason to sit around doing nothing?
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