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The Dreamcast is Still Dead

Zonk posted more than 6 years ago | from the please-let-chu-chu-rocket-come-to-xbla dept.

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00_NOP writes "Dreamcast lovers' hopes were raised earlier this month when it came to light that Sega had extended trade mark protection on the console's name. But hopes have now been dashed that we'll ever see another Dreamcast console, as even GameDaily's optimistic take on Sega's motivation makes clear. 'SEGA has no plans to get back into the hardware business, but we also want to protect our past and current brands. The trademark application was filed to protect our current and potential future use of the word DREAMCAST and to prevent other parties from using it in a way that could be confused or linked with SEGA.'"

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That's just what they *want* you to think... (5, Funny)

squiggleslash (241428) | more than 6 years ago | (#21741466)

Not quite. That might be what they're claiming but the truth is more amazing.

I have a spy in Sega, and they are planning to release the all new "Dreamcast 360x3". It features:

1. "EHDVD+", Sega's new high definition DVD format. Not compatible with Blu-ray or HD-DVD because it's better.
2. A 64 bit PowerPC that's multicore. IBM is specially designing this for Sega.
3. Some kind of ATI graphics, including a 1080i mode.
4. The ability to connect to the Internet. A new service, "Dreamcast Connected", will allow you to subscribe to multiplayer games and stuff.
5. Wireless controllers, with tilt detection for that "Not quite a Wii-mote" functionality
6. Large size and with big glowing lights on the front ensuring you'll never miss it when it's sitting in front of your TV

Sega hasn't come up with a final price yet, but they're expected to release different models of it for somewhere between $400 and $900. The $400 version will have the smaller hard drive and only an S-Video hookup, whereas the $900 will include a bundled copy of "Sonic XII: The SecondLife edition" plus an exclusive Hi-def copy of Employee of the Month on EHDVD+.

This is amazing stuff, a truly innovative console that will turn the market on its head.

Re:That's just what they *want* you to think... (1)

sinclair44 (728189) | more than 6 years ago | (#21741566)

Oops, that should have been +1 Funny and not -1 Overrated, undoing

Re:That's just what they *want* you to think... (3, Funny)

ByOhTek (1181381) | more than 6 years ago | (#21741612)

More likely they are just saving the IP for a download-and-play on the Nintendo Yoo (successor to the Wii) out in 2012...

Re:That's just what they *want* you to think... (1)

aichpvee (631243) | more than 6 years ago | (#21747606)

Yoo? Don't you mean Xii, pronounced "zee", which will be released in November 2011 and will lead to endless confusion a further two generations down the line with the release of their Zii console.

Re:That's just what they *want* you to think... (1)

CaptainPatent (1087643) | more than 6 years ago | (#21741792)

Not quite. That might be what they're claiming but the truth is more amazing.

I have a spy in Sega, and they are planning to release the all new "Dreamcast 360x3". It features:

1. "EHDVD+", Sega's new high definition DVD format. Not compatible with Blu-ray or HD-DVD because it's better.
2. A 64 bit PowerPC that's multicore. IBM is specially designing this for Sega.
3. Some kind of ATI graphics, including a 1080i mode.
4. The ability to connect to the Internet. A new service, "Dreamcast Connected", will allow you to subscribe to multiplayer games and stuff.
5. Wireless controllers, with tilt detection for that "Not quite a Wii-mote" functionality
6. Large size and with big glowing lights on the front ensuring you'll never miss it when it's sitting in front of your TV

Sega hasn't come up with a final price yet, but they're expected to release different models of it for somewhere between $400 and $900. The $400 version will have the smaller hard drive and only an S-Video hookup, whereas the $900 will include a bundled copy of "Sonic XII: The SecondLife edition" plus an exclusive Hi-def copy of Employee of the Month on EHDVD+.

This is amazing stuff, a truly innovative console that will turn the market on its head.
To add to that Sega teamed up with Infinium Labs!

They're going to incorperate the awesome power of The Phantom Gaming Console [wikipedia.org] into their new product!

In even further news, the Dreamcast 360x3 will ship with a copy of Duke Nukem Forever [wikipedia.org] !!

Re:That's just what they *want* you to think... (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21742264)

I have to ask, why the fuck did you copy the entire post that you replied to? Have you never noticed the big fat "Parent" link at the bottom of every reply on Slashdot? Yeah, when you're reading a reply, you can CLICK THAT LINK if you want to refer back to the post that's being replied to.

Re:That's just what they *want* you to think... (2, Informative)

nschubach (922175) | more than 6 years ago | (#21744796)

Oh, give him a break. He's a seven digit. Still learning. **hides extremely close to seven digit ID**

Re:That's just what they *want* you to think... (1)

creimer (824291) | more than 6 years ago | (#21742834)

Don't forget the water-cooled CPU that didn't prevent the console from overheating. On the other hand, a modern system could also be used as a space heater during the winter.

That's just what they *want* you to display... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21745498)

The innovative thing about the Dreamcast was the NEC PowerVR video chip. Shame it died just like the Rendition did.

sigh (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21741508)

I thought x-mas had come early this year.....sad...

In related news (2, Funny)

Le Jimmeh (1086671) | more than 6 years ago | (#21741512)

Dead people are still dead. While a shock, scientists revealed today that previously dead people are still dead. More at 6.

Good (1)

usul294 (1163169) | more than 6 years ago | (#21741542)

I like having Sega on third-party software, I'm happy to buy games from SEGA, but I'd never put down $400 for a console just to play those games as first-party titles. Besides, I enjoy Mario and Sonic at the Olympic Games.

Re:Good (1)

hedwards (940851) | more than 6 years ago | (#21745872)

I largely agree, back when sega was having its heyday, it was good to have sega consoles, but now that we have 3 major systems without either Atari or Sega, I see no reason to bring back a dead console.

I'm much happier with them developing games than developing yet another console that won't be compatible with the others. Although I have to say that it does seem wrong being able to play Sonic on Nintendo hardware.

Until there ceases to be a lot of competition, I'll be satisfied having only 3 brands and 5 platforms to choose from.

Re:Good (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 6 years ago | (#21746482)

Until there ceases to be a lot of competition, I'll be satisfied having only 3 brands and 5 platforms to choose from.
And all three brands have lockout mechanisms to keep the little guy off the platform. Imagine an independent game developer who has a PC-based prototype of a game that allows four players holding gamepads to play at once. It works great with TV output, but I am not convinced that most potential customers know how to connect a PC's video card to a TV. So on which platform should this game be published?

Re:Good (1)

heinousjay (683506) | more than 6 years ago | (#21747836)

I suppose you're looking for some good old fashioned "it's not fair" type sympathy. Too bad. It languishes. It dies on the vine. In the long wrong, no one cares.

Re:Good (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 6 years ago | (#21747874)

I suppose you're looking for some good old fashioned "it's not fair" type sympathy.
No. I'm looking for answers. How can I promote PC gaming with TV-out?

Please don't forget this (4, Interesting)

00_NOP (559413) | more than 6 years ago | (#21741562)

The mods chopped it from the posted article, but you are a Dreamcast owner I'd really like your help [dyndns.info]

Re:Please don't forget this (1)

ericrost (1049312) | more than 6 years ago | (#21742542)

Good job slashdotting your own site. Don't try to pull that kind of traffic through dyndns.

Re:Please don't forget this (1)

Hatta (162192) | more than 6 years ago | (#21742776)

I'm a big dreamcast, and linux, enthusiast myself. Was just playing with it last night actually, but I can't really think of any reason to put linux on the dreamcast. I mean why bother with frozen bubble when you have bust-a-move 4? I suppose if you could get something like GeeXbox running on it, that might be worthwhile. M.U.G.E.N. might be fun on the DC too. Maybe Star Control II: UQM?

Make this a daily update (5, Funny)

Sciros (986030) | more than 6 years ago | (#21741606)

Just so we're "in the know" on the livelihood of Dreamcast. Also please have daily updates on how dead the Sega Saturn is, how dead Asheron's Call servers are, how dead Betamax is, how dead the musket is, and finally how dead Van Damme's career is.

Re:Make this a daily update (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21741846)

you can go ahead and add yourself to that list for the van damme comment

Re:Make this a daily update (1)

Sciros (986030) | more than 6 years ago | (#21741898)

Oh no I'm sorry Jean-Claude I won't say anything about your career again! Although why did you post as an anonymous coward? Oh wait maybe because that's all you are to anyone anymore! harharhar

Re:Make this a daily update (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21741864)

Asheron's Call is still alive and well. We may be a more intimate community than before, but there's still plenty of fun to be had in the game. It's not like we've removed content, just added new content. Go resub and try some of the old quests for nostalgia's sake, or run some of the newer content for a change of pace.

Re:Make this a daily update (2, Funny)

geminidomino (614729) | more than 6 years ago | (#21745998)

Translation:

Asheron's Call is still alive and well.
Some fanboys haven't abandoned our piñata-simulator for the newer, more popular ones.

We may be a more intimate community than before,
Plenty of cyber-sex0ring in the ghost-town that is the online world.

but there's still plenty of fun to be had in the game.
"I'm a mac, and I'm a PC"...

It's not like we've removed content, just added new content.
Meet the new quests, same as the old quests.

Go resub and try some of the old quests for nostalgia's sake, or run some of the newer content for a change of pace.
For the love of gods, we're starving. We need your money! PLEASE! We're even cheaper than WoW!

How philosophical... (1)

Valdrax (32670) | more than 6 years ago | (#21742180)

[And] finally how dead Van Damme's career is.

Really, can something be dead which never lived?

Re:How philosophical... (1)

Sciros (986030) | more than 6 years ago | (#21742258)

Heheh... was he before your time maybe? Van Damme used to be one of the "big 3 superstars" in the early nineties. It was Schwarzenegegger, Stallone, and Van Damme.

The guy did reasonably well at the box office, particularly with Timecop, and his career was taking off until... (can you guess?)... Rumble in the Bronx hit US shores.

Jackie Chan basically put a stop to Van Damme and Seagal's success because he set the bar so high right away. They never recovered.

Re:How philosophical... (1)

pokerdad (1124121) | more than 6 years ago | (#21743280)

The guy did reasonably well at the box office, particularly with Timecop, and his career was taking off until... (can you guess?)... Rumble in the Bronx hit US shores.

I certainly can't disagree with your timeline; Timecop was in 1994, and Rumble in the Bronx was in 1995. But do you really think that is why he went away? Jackie Chan's movies are so very different than Van Damme's that I have trouble believing Chan killed off Van Damme's career. I would be more inclined to think that a series of box office bombs, starting with Street Fighter, are what killed his career.

I admit its been a very long time since I thought about this guy at all, but as I seem to remember his stardom came largely because the entertainment media had a real craving for there to be a new generation of action stars; Arnie and Sly had been front and centre for pretty much the entire 80s. Sure Van Damme made a couple of movies that made money, like Time Cop and Universal Soldier, but Time Cop was no T2, Universal Soldier was no Rambo, and Kickboxer was no Rocky.

So while he certainly was seen for a few years as the next Arnie/Sly, I don't think that title was ever really deserved, and don't think that any other star stole his thunder so much as he never really was that great, and the media got sick of promoting him as the next big thing when it never materialized.

Re:How philosophical... (1)

Sciros (986030) | more than 6 years ago | (#21743424)

Well, Van Damme and Seagal continue to this day to make movies, but with nothing going for them other than their martial arts skills, they just stopped being marketable once Jackie Chan came around. Wesley Snipes stayed slightly afloat with the Blade movies but then disappeared just the same.

Likewise, when Van Damme came along people basically forgot Chuck Norris (well things weren't quite that simple but once again the timelines fit).

I think it's in large part a question of something better coming along, and the previous star just being unable to rise to the occasion.

Re:How philosophical... (1)

sanosuke76 (887630) | more than 6 years ago | (#21744088)

Actually, I was very thankful when his career ended, because I stopped having to hear all the girls (and one gay guy) at college make the obvious pun on his name, "van dayumn" - referring to his arse.

I think he just got too old for the early-20s-year-old squeal factor to carry him anymore.

Re:How philosophical... (2, Insightful)

vux984 (928602) | more than 6 years ago | (#21745490)

Van Damme used to be one of the "big 3 superstars" in the early nineties. It was Schwarzenegegger, Stallone, and Van Damme.

I don't think he was ever on quite the same action hero level as Schwarzenegger's [Terminator/Predator/...] or Stallone's Rambo/Rocky. He was always one step down, same level as Steven Seagal, Chuck Norris, Kurt Russel, and maybe Dolph Lundgren... a star, but not a superstar.

Re:How philosophical... (1)

Sciros (986030) | more than 6 years ago | (#21745860)

No, he was above those other guys, really. (BTW Russel was different from Seagal and Lundgren, in that he starred in big-budget films like Stargate and such, so I wouldn't group him with them.) Norris was off the radar entirely by the time Van Damme's career took off, and it was well past anything the other guys you mention achieved. He starred in John Woo's first US film (Hard Target), Timecop made good money at the box office for those days, etc. Certainly Van Damme never achieved the status that Arnold did, not even close, but I swear as a big action film fan that he was part of that "pantheon" in the early nineties and was mentioned in the same breath when folks were talking about "action superstars." Van Damme *was* an action superstar.

His career took a bigger fall than most ever do, to be honest. But he's cleaned up his life in recent years and is doing much better for himself, though he's still off the radar as far as being a movie star.

Re:How philosophical... (1)

vux984 (928602) | more than 6 years ago | (#21746510)

Well, it appears we agree he was a step below Stallone and Schwarzenegger, and I readily concede your point about Norris. Dolph is the lame duck in the Pantheon, because he was in a lot of "A" level blockbuster action movies...he rarely starred in anything memorable so his star status is more like "...and Dolph was in it too".

But I'd definitely put Van Damme on the same level as Seagal. Seagal had a solid resume of action movies from around the same time that probably peaked with Under Siege. Which was definitely an "A" blockbuster action movie, and it did considerably better at the box office than even Timecop. (156 million vs 104 million).

And Kurt Russel...I hear what you are saying... but if you look at his filmography... he's done an awful lot of action hero work; he's just managed to largely avoid getting the name recognition of the others. I'm not really sure why. Maybe because for the most part, Russel isn't a caricature of himself the way the other action heroes are.

His characters aren't all just "Kurt Russel" with a new name in the same way Van Damme's or Schwarzenegger's are in most of their action movies.

Re:How philosophical... (2, Funny)

Mike Buddha (10734) | more than 6 years ago | (#21742620)

Really, can something be dead which never lived?
How do you kill that which has no life?

Re:Make this a daily update (2, Funny)

Chris Burke (6130) | more than 6 years ago | (#21742568)

how dead the musket is, and finally how dead Van Damme's career is.

I hear both are doing quite well thanks to historical reenactments. Though the version of The Battle of Bunker Hill featuring Van Damme features more kicking than I think the historical record shows, but most people can accept the embellishment for the sake of improved drama.

Re:Make this a daily update (1)

ShadowMarth (870657) | more than 6 years ago | (#21742882)

Believe it or not, Asheron's Call is still alive. Asheron's Call 2 is the one that got shut down.

Re:Make this a daily update (1)

Sciros (986030) | more than 6 years ago | (#21742980)

Yeah AC2 is actually the one I meant but oh well. I even got a proper response from an AC about AC (haha) for my original post about it.

I actually tried out AC2 the month it came out... it was like playing Shadow of the Collossus but without the horse and without the collossi and without the cool music.

AC, AC, and more AC (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 6 years ago | (#21746522)

Yeah AC2 is actually the one I meant but oh well. I even got a proper response from an AC about AC (haha) for my original post about it.
But what does this have to do with Animal Crossing, other than that it manages to reduce the MMORPG grindfest to a single-player mode?

Re:Make this a daily update (1)

hurfy (735314) | more than 6 years ago | (#21745180)

So there's the guy with the other AC1 account.....

C'mon was anyone really expecting new sega hardware

What do you mean, still dead? (5, Informative)

BenoitRen (998927) | more than 6 years ago | (#21741652)

The Dreamcast never really died. It kept getting new games, mostly in Japan. Then there's the whole homebrew game scene, of which some games get a commercial release once in a while.

Re:What do you mean, still dead? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21742064)

The Dreamcast never really died.

Good consoles never die! They just fade off into the sunset!

Re:What do you mean, still dead? (2, Insightful)

Chris Mattern (191822) | more than 6 years ago | (#21742640)

The Dreamcast never really died.


Really? Can I get a new one from Sega? Can I get a new one from *anybody*?

Sorry, but when they stop making them, that's dead.

Chris Mattern

Re:What do you mean, still dead? (1)

BenoitRen (998927) | more than 6 years ago | (#21742916)

So if Sony stops PlayStation 2 production tomorrow, the PS2 is dead, even if developers continue to make games for it until one year later, with people buying them?

Seems like bogus logic to me. There's this popular phrase: "It's about the GAMES, stupid!". No game console is anything without its games.

Re:What do you mean, still dead? (1)

Chris Mattern (191822) | more than 6 years ago | (#21743304)

So if Sony stops PlayStation 2 production tomorrow, the PS2 is dead, even if developers continue to make games for it until one year later, with people buying them?


Yes, of course if they stopped making any PS2s, it'd be dead. The reason your example sounds so ludicrous is because that they're *not* stopping production of the PS2, and in fact continue to sell it in large quantities, so trying to imagine such a unlikely fact creates an unreal picture.

Chris Mattern

Re:What do you mean, still dead? (1)

BenoitRen (998927) | more than 6 years ago | (#21743492)

The reason your example sounds so ludicrous is because that they're *not* stopping production of the PS2, and in fact continue to sell it in large quantities, so trying to imagine such a unlikely fact creates an unreal picture.

No shit, Sherlock. That's why I use if in my sentence. The essence of the analogy stands.

Re:What do you mean, still dead? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21743708)

Keep Digging Watson!

Re:What do you mean, still dead? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21743948)

No it doesn't. Shut up now.

Re:What do you mean, still dead? (1)

Chris Mattern (191822) | more than 6 years ago | (#21743964)

The essence of the analogy stands.


Here's a better analogy for you: they finally stopped making PS1s (true). The PS1 is therefore, at this point, dead (of old age). I have no problem with that statement.

Chris Mattern

Re:What do you mean, still dead? (1)

BenoitRen (998927) | more than 6 years ago | (#21744726)

It is an analogy of your argument, not mine. So it's not better, it's irrelevant (to my analogy).

Explain to me why a game console is considered dead when it stops being produced. I'm sure most people consider one dead when there's no production and no more games are being made for it. Like how magazines were saying the Dreamcast would go out with a bang through the release of the (then-latest) quality games, even though the Dreamcast wasn't being produced anymore.

So if everyone that wanted a Wii had a Wii, and production stopped (because of no demand), it's dead? With games still coming out in droves? That's nonsense.

Maybe your definition of 'dead' is different?

Re:What do you mean, still dead? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21745062)

So if everyone that wanted a Wii had a Wii, and production stopped (because of no demand), it's dead? With games still coming out in droves? That's nonsense.
But *would* the games still come out in droves? The market for them is fixed and diminishing. You'd bet your development costs on more promising market.

Re:What do you mean, still dead? (1)

Chris Mattern (191822) | more than 6 years ago | (#21747026)

Let's pare this down a bit. I say that when they stop making a console, it's dead. You ask, what if they stopped making a console that is thriving? To which I can only reply, nobody stops making a console that's thriving.

Chris Mattern

Re:What do you mean, still dead? (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 6 years ago | (#21747046)

Explain to me why a game console is considered dead when it stops being produced.
Because for one thing, I can't buy a new replacement for a broken console.

I'm sure most people consider one dead when there's no production and no more games are being made for it.
In order to help both of us formulate a strong definition of dead, I need to establish outer bounds on the concept. Specifically, is the Nintendo Entertainment System dead? The occasional homebrew game still comes out for it. In fact, I'm working on making one.

So if everyone that wanted a Wii had a Wii, and production stopped (because of no demand), it's dead?
You mentioned Wii, a Nintendo product. Nintendo is different: its consoles tend to have a longer service life than those of Sony or Microsoft. I seem to recall fewer "dirty disc" failures on the GameCube than the PS2 or original Xbox.

Re:What do you mean, still dead? (1)

Chris Mattern (191822) | more than 6 years ago | (#21743398)

No game console is anything without its games.


Very true. However, I would submit that it is at least equally true that no game console is anything without the console, either.

Chris Mattern

Re:What do you mean, still dead? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21744926)

Can I get a new one from *anybody*?

Yes, you can. [wikipedia.org]

Re:What do you mean, still dead? (1)

triffid_98 (899609) | more than 6 years ago | (#21747830)

Yes, but only if you can crack my wallsafe. Not only is the Dreamcast dead, all of it's immediate successors are too. It pleases me that people still remember and care a bit. Well, at least here in bizarroworld.org

Really? Can I get a new one from Sega? Can I get a new one from *anybody*?

Maybe they should make a console (1)

SparkleMotion88 (1013083) | more than 6 years ago | (#21741698)

Maybe this is a good time for them to get back into the console game. I don't know how much money they are making on games, but Sony has been showing us for a while that there is huge money in consoles. Plus the market for video games is bigger than ever and will probably continue to grow faster than other forms of entertainment. We can expect video games to take in more revenue than box office sales this year in the US. Plus, there is a greater variety of gamers now, so Sega can probably make a "casual" or "social" console similar to the Wii and make plenty of money. Or maybe they could dream up an entirely different style of console.

Re:Maybe they should make a console (2, Insightful)

solar_blitz (1088029) | more than 6 years ago | (#21741924)

We need a fourth console in this race as much as we need a hole in the head. Seriously, the best idea is to not release a new console. They would do themselves a favor by a formal press release, too: "Ladies and gentlemen, we are going to not produce a new console this year." I'll bet that statement alone would improve investors' confidence in the company and they'll have a few yen increase or something.

Re:Maybe they should make a console (1)

MagusSlurpy (592575) | more than 6 years ago | (#21746474)

Since the DS is stillcrushing the three "official" consoles, I think we should consider it as the fourth.

Re:Maybe they should make a console (2, Interesting)

realmolo (574068) | more than 6 years ago | (#21741966)

Nah, it's a terrible idea. Sega just isn't good at hardware. They got lucky with the Genesis.

Their real strength is software. Sega makes really cool, really weird games. Or at least they used to. Now all they do is churn out crappy 3D versions of Sonic (and really GOOD 2D versions of Sonic if you have a GBA or DS).

Re:Maybe they should make a console (1)

LWATCDR (28044) | more than 6 years ago | (#21742550)

The Dreamcast was a very good system. Just as good as the PS/2 if the truth be told.
The Dreamcast failed because a lot of developers got burned on the Saturn so they didn't write for the Dreamcast.
That and people believed the hype that the PS/2 would bring Toystory quality graphics.

Re:Maybe they should make a console (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21744290)

Why are you putting a "/" in PS2? That doesn't belong there. Cut it out.

Re:Maybe they should make a console (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21745948)

Yeah call it by its full name "Piece of Shit too".

Ahhh... For want of mod points... (1)

Svartalf (2997) | more than 6 years ago | (#21744460)

The initial price of the Dreamcast, coupled with the very bad taste everyone had in their mouths from Saturn's
debacle in the console market is precisely why it went belly up. I played the titles I bought when they were in the process of axing the thing in the tail end of Sega's production of them. Some of the titles were as good as anything on PS/2- some of them were arguably better in gameplay or quality of graphics. If they'd not shot themselves in the foot with the 32x, SegaCD, and Saturn so badly, they would be in the position Nintendo is now with the Wii. But it was too late and too costly in light of the other past offerings- people just didn't give it the credibility that it honestly deserved.

Re:Maybe they should make a console (3, Interesting)

Nitroadict (1005509) | more than 6 years ago | (#21742224)

Sega is sitting this round, and most likely, the next round out for console making. This is obvious via Sega & Nintendo's recent chummy friendship, which has developed since Sega primarily makes games nowadays (although they still do arcade hardware in Japan & USA methinks).

However, the aqquisition of Sammy made me think that they do indeed have some type of long term plans, possibly with a new console at some point, but they are probably really worried about experiencing another Saturn or Dreamcast, which wouldn't bode well financially, albeit Dreamcast was just an incomplete victory in a battle that was ahead of it's time.

You can speculate all you want, but realistically, no, Sega is not going to revive the DC, make a new one, new console, or whatever for quite some time. I honestly wouldn't be surprised if they never made another console as long as the company still exists in it's current form.

Re:Maybe they should make a console (1)

FSWKU (551325) | more than 6 years ago | (#21744272)

However, the aqquisition of Sammy made me think that they do indeed have some type of long term plans, possibly with a new console at some point, but they are probably really worried about experiencing another Saturn or Dreamcast, which wouldn't bode well financially, albeit Dreamcast was just an incomplete victory in a battle that was ahead of it's time.

I'm sure you meant the acquisition BY Sammy [wikipedia.org] , which prompted a lot of Sega employees to leave the company. Make no mistake. Other than arcare hardware, Sega is merely a 3rd party developer these days. While they still do make some damned good games, seeing Sonic and Mario in the same game [wikipedia.org] is still somewhat...weird...

Re:Maybe they should make a console (1)

Nitroadict (1005509) | more than 6 years ago | (#21745008)

Indeed, thanks for clearing that up; I haven't read up on video gaming history as of late. The fact that most Sega employees actually greatly tilts the possibility that another "Sega" console just ain't in the cards for the near future.

Now if only they could make more than one good sonic game every once in a while (haven't played Secret Rings, but my peers have said it was the best sonic game since SA2 on DC, camera issues aside).

Re:Maybe they should make a console (1)

MechaBlue (1068636) | more than 6 years ago | (#21743326)

I'd like to see a completely open console that is has good gaming hardware and a spec that is guaranteed to be static for at least 5 years. Something similar to the but for hooking up to a TV or monitor. It would be a great system for the home-brew crowd and could be cheap enough to make it a worthwhile purchase. Also, since it's completely open, it would be easy and legal to write emulators for it.

It seems unlikely to happen, but I can dream.

NO!!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21741700)

NO!!!!! SAY IT AIN'T SO!!!!!!

Apple project dashed (2, Funny)

techpawn (969834) | more than 6 years ago | (#21741736)

Well, they already do PodCasts... Why not beam them to you directly while you sleep? But, now they can't call them DREAMcasts...

Re:Apple project dashed (1)

corychristison (951993) | more than 6 years ago | (#21742284)

Podcasts have nothing to do with Apple, other than the obvious similarity in the names.

That is all.

Re:Apple project dashed (1)

techpawn (969834) | more than 6 years ago | (#21742350)

But you KNOW there would have to be a new hardware component to this, and that's Apple's bread and butter. I guess it would be the iSleep.

Re:Apple project dashed (1)

Runefox (905204) | more than 6 years ago | (#21747700)

Now that you mention it, I have to say it: I really freaking hate the term "Podcast". What happened to webcast? Even that was a trendy term for it back in the day, but now we just have the popularity of the iPod leading to a ludicrous misuse of the word "cast".

"But yeah, you download it to your iPod, right, so it's a podcast!" And I can download it to my computer, too. I don't call my computer a pod. It really annoys the hell out of me. Maybe I just hate Steve Jobs.

Re:Apple project dashed (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21747602)

-1 Pedantic.

Thank you, Chevy Chase (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21741982)

"This breaking news just in... Generalissimo Francisco Franco is still dead!"

Possibly DC on Wii VC (1)

mzs (595629) | more than 6 years ago | (#21742836)

Then they would not need any plans for new HW.

The G in GD-ROM (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 6 years ago | (#21747076)

Then they would not need any plans for new HW.
Wii's "hard drive" is 512 MB, with roughly half that free for downloaded channels and game saves. Dreamcast games were up to twice that, hence the "G" in GD-ROM [wikipedia.org] . Besides, Wii's CPU is only about three times as fast as that of the Dreamcast, all but ruling out the emulation that powers other Virtual Console platforms.

IMHO - The Xbox is the Dreamcast II (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21742972)

I noticed when I got an Xbox... that the Dreamcast I had ran on Windows CE, that the controllers for the Dreamcast and the Xbox had notable similarities in terms of button layout and gameplay, and have been of the opinion that Microsoft borrowed (or bought) heavily from Dreamcast in much the same way Windows NT borrowed from the OS/2 project. I just hope that Sega fared better in the deal than IBM had in theirs.

Re:IMHO - The Xbox is the Dreamcast II (2, Insightful)

MobileTatsu-NJG (946591) | more than 6 years ago | (#21743450)

"I noticed when I got an Xbox... that the Dreamcast I had ran on Windows CE..."

Well, some of the games used WinCE as an OS for them. It's not like the DC booted up and gave you a Window manager and all that other stuff.

"that the controllers for the Dreamcast and the Xbox had notable similarities in terms of button layout and gameplay..."

There are notable similarities between the XBOX and PS/PS2 controllers, too.

"...and have been of the opinion that Microsoft borrowed (or bought) heavily from Dreamcast in much the same way Windows NT borrowed from the OS/2 project."

Borrowed/bought/stole what? Okay, the controllers have some superficial similarities. What evidence do you have of this that can be explained by some other reason than "Microsoft went to a store and bought a Dreamcast"?

Re:IMHO - The Xbox is the Dreamcast II (1)

CronoCloud (590650) | more than 6 years ago | (#21744536)

He has a point. When I first heard that Sega was working with Microsoft, I thought:

Don't do it, they're just using you to learn as much about the console gaming business as they can. Once they've milked you for all the info, market research and money they can, they'll do their own console. Which they did.

And lets put it this way, there's a lot of former Dreamcasters that are now Xboxers. Some of that's just anti-Sony sentiment, but some of that is because the original Xbox was probably designed from market research learned from Sega. The original Xbox controllers are far more like Dreamcast controllers than they are PS2 controllers.

Re:IMHO - The Xbox is the Dreamcast II (1)

Gravatron (716477) | more than 6 years ago | (#21744340)

Reminds me of an article way back in the day I read from a gamer mag's rumor section. When the first talk of the xbox started, the mag dismissed the rumors of MS making a game console on the idea that the DC already used windows, and that the rumors were probabaly related to a future DC 2 or other Sega/MS colaberation.

Re:IMHO - The Xbox is the Dreamcast II (1)

Wolvie MkM (661535) | more than 6 years ago | (#21744502)

I seem to recall that one of the key XBox guys was one of the key Dreamcast guys. Not sure if it was design or marketing though...........

Re:IMHO - The Xbox is the Dreamcast II (1)

Osty (16825) | more than 6 years ago | (#21745192)

You're referring to Peter Moore. However, he came to the Xbox project relatively late (in time for the 360), so I wouldn't exactly call him one of the "key" guys. Also, he's gone to EA now.

Re:IMHO - The Xbox is the Dreamcast II (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21744522)

Completely untrue. The team that did the Windows CE stuff for Sega was entirely separate from the team that became the Xbox team. The former was disbanded shortly after Sega left the console market.

Re:IMHO - The Xbox is the Dreamcast II (1)

Svartalf (2997) | more than 6 years ago | (#21744602)

Not quite. Sega had a relationship with Microsoft and they had a WinCE target image for people to use. Not many of the titles actually USED it as it was constraining in several ways that the studios tended to not like. Now, spiritually, the XBox is the sequal/love-child of the Sega/Microsoft liason. Microsoft learned what NOT to do with the Sega relationship, I suspect. Unfortunately for Sega, they shot themselves in the foot repeatedly with the Dreamcast in the manner of prior console FLOPS coupled with a few...iffy...decisions that ran up the price-point and made it less compelling (Like gigadisks...).

If they'd not shot themselves so badly in the foot and had found a way to lower the price point a bit when it was rolled out, they'd probably have experienced a comeback like Nintendo is right now. Combine the bad oopses on the prior systems, the gigadisks, the price-points... It all combined to doom the system even though it was really more akin to a coup on their part- the first of the true next-gen consoles (think more akin to an X-Box or a GameCube and you'd be thinking right...) that was well before it's time.

Re:IMHO - The Xbox is the Dreamcast II (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21745560)

>Microsoft learned what NOT to do with the Sega relationship, I suspect

See my response to the original article here [slashdot.org] .

But what about... (1, Flamebait)

Toonol (1057698) | more than 6 years ago | (#21744274)

"The Dreamcast is Still Dead"

But what about the PS3???

Re:But what about... (1)

Svartalf (2997) | more than 6 years ago | (#21744902)

The jury's still out on that one. If they've still enough 40Gb units to sell for Christmas, they might
buy enough traction to get the studios to take them more seriously. Sony kind of pulled a Dreamcast
with the PS3, if the truth was admitted here. The biggest drags have been that cost and the overall
sign-off from the studios. There's beginning to be a decent enough line-up coming out of the studios
that I'm considering one of the 40Gb machines if budget permits and there's still any left here- but
in the end, there's no good reason to be spending the money they're asking for the 80's and the
lesser models in the current official line up are sorta crippled in a few ways to make them a bit
less compelling.
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