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RIAA Writes Its Own News For Local TV

Zonk posted more than 6 years ago | from the how-generous-of-them dept.

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I Don't Believe in Imaginary Property writes "Did your local news recently do a two-minute clip on music copyright infringement? If so, you can thank the RIAA. They sent out a video press release to local news stations as part of their 'holiday anti-piracy campaign.' In it, they warn people that the best way to avoid counterfeit music is to avoid 'compilation CDs that could only exist in the dreams of a music fan' and to trust their ears, because illegally copied music usually sounds 'atrocious.' Instead, they encourage watchers to buy ringtones for Christmas."

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282 comments

you mean like Mothership? (5, Funny)

croddy (659025) | more than 6 years ago | (#21784794)

Hmmm... compilations... Track list encompassing exactly the finest output of Led Zeppelin... check Mastered so hot it sounds atrocious... check SOMEONE RING UP ATLANTIC. LED ZEPPELIN HAS BEEN PIRATED.

Re:you mean like Mothership? (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21784838)

Holy crap! How'd the pirates get the grappling hooks up to the dirigible?

Disparity (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21784880)

"compilation CDs that could only exist in the dreams of a music fan"

So what are they saying here? They know exactly what their fans "dream" about and they aren't selling that? Why not? What possible sense could it make to refrain from selling their target audience the products for which there is maximal demand?

Pirated music sounds atrocious? If so why is it so popular?

They're saying "if it's good it must be pirate!" (4, Insightful)

Joce640k (829181) | more than 6 years ago | (#21785172)

At least that's the way I understood it it.

Buyers should be looking for the bad, expensive CDs with only one good track on them. That's the only way to ensure an officially sanctioned product.

Re:They're saying "if it's good it must be pirate! (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21785580)

They're saying "if it's good it must be pirate!"

Yes, and that's true. Once again this Christmas I'll be looking forward to the compilation CDs the kids make most of all. At least they put some personal time and thought into it instead of just going and buying some crap, and I know it won't be laden with malware.

Re:They're saying "if it's good it must be pirate! (5, Funny)

Butisol (994224) | more than 6 years ago | (#21785718)

Legally bought RIAA music has electrolytes. It's what ears need.

Re:Disparity (2, Insightful)

Psmylie (169236) | more than 6 years ago | (#21785324)

So, 'compilation CDs that could only exist in the dreams of a music fan' also sound atrocious. So, according to the RIAA, music fans must desire atrocious music. This explains everything!

Obviously, I must not be a music fan, then. Everything I listen to voluntarily sounds pretty darned good :)

Re:Disparity (1)

Torvaun (1040898) | more than 6 years ago | (#21785714)

Why should they sell you all the tracks you want to hear on one CD instead of 8? I mean, other than catering to the consumer.

Re:you mean like Mothership? (1)

jigjigga (903943) | more than 6 years ago | (#21785134)

Nailed it!

DSASAFDWER (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21784796)

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Gah. (4, Funny)

gardyloo (512791) | more than 6 years ago | (#21784812)

The video then shows iTunes digital album gift cards and a cell phone, for which you can buy Christmas-themed ring tones.
God bless us, every one.

who needs RIAA music? (5, Insightful)

wikinerd (809585) | more than 6 years ago | (#21784840)

the best way to avoid counterfeit music

is to listen to music made by independents who freely share their creations on the Internet often under Creative Commons, and reject any music made by people who are associated with big labels or the RIAA.

Re:who needs RIAA music? (1)

calebt3 (1098475) | more than 6 years ago | (#21784988)

Who needs music at all?

I am fine w/background music in my games.

Re:who needs RIAA music? (1)

idontgno (624372) | more than 6 years ago | (#21785042)

I am fine w/background music in my games.

Which you downloaded offa bittorrent...

THE WoW soundtrack doesn't count (1)

DRAGONWEEZEL (125809) | more than 6 years ago | (#21785102)

Except that it does. I love that music, and actually burned a disc of it for myself!

Of course, I still listen to the K.I. soundtrack, so take it for what you will...

Re:who needs RIAA music? (1)

Derek Loev (1050412) | more than 6 years ago | (#21785618)

Or if you're into stuff like Phish or Dave Matthews Band there's whole communities based around the idea that people go to their shows and legally tape the live performances and then put them out so you can torrent them. While the quality is never going to be as good as a soundboard release it's definitely a good alternative.

Assholes (4, Insightful)

Sciros (986030) | more than 6 years ago | (#21784852)

I love how "compilation CDs" can "only exist in the dreams of a music fan" because like hell will they ever actually give music fans something they dream of having. Hell now, that's something only filthy PIRATES do!

Yeah, they really convinced me, I'm buying ringtones from now on, people.

Re:Assholes (3, Insightful)

Samgilljoy (1147203) | more than 6 years ago | (#21784984)

Does this mean millions of lovesick teens will be arrested for making mix CDs for their girlfriends? "Baby, this music expresses how I feel. If you fell like I do, please write to me during the next ten years, while I'm in Music Pirate Prison (TM)."

Re:Assholes (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21785688)

>If you fell like I do, please write to me

or sign my cast, and I'll sign yours.

Re:Assholes (4, Insightful)

Bert64 (520050) | more than 6 years ago | (#21785120)

Yes, the RIAA won't provide customers with something so desirable they dream about it...
So these customers have to turn to piracy to get what they want.

Re:Assholes (2, Insightful)

CodeBuster (516420) | more than 6 years ago | (#21785332)

I'm buying ringtones from now on, people.
Yes, but just think of all those great-sounding legal ringtones playing over a $0.10 paper cone cell phone speaker, surely the burned "pirate" mix cd playing on my stereo system doesn't sound half as good because everyone knows that "pirated" music sounds atrocious...yeah right.

Fuck RIAA (1)

cromar (1103585) | more than 6 years ago | (#21785466)

Mixtapes. I love mixtapes.

Fuck the RIAA (1)

cromar (1103585) | more than 6 years ago | (#21785556)

Mixtapes. I fucking love mixtapes. DJ Crazy Chris' [myspace.com] "Eminelton," Von Pea's [myspace.com] "American Angster", Mick Boogie's [mickboogie.com] "DILLAGENCE," Danger Mouse's "Grey Album [wikipedia.org] ," and of course Diplo's "Pricay Funds Terrorism [wikipedia.org] " are some of my recent favorites (the last two are out there floating around on the internet if you look hard enough). Seriously. If the labels would release shit this tight, well, but they wouldn't, would they?

Of course! (4, Funny)

Wylfing (144940) | more than 6 years ago | (#21784862)

compilation CDs that could only exist in the dreams of a music fan

Of course such things must be counterfeit. Everybody knows that the RIAA companies would never ever produce something that music fans would actually demand. 100% all good songs on an album, you've got to be kidding me!

Re:Of course! (2, Insightful)

Beardo the Bearded (321478) | more than 6 years ago | (#21785066)

Your sig should read:

Any sufficiently advanced malice is indistinguishable from incompetence.

Re:Of course! (0, Redundant)

Amouth (879122) | more than 6 years ago | (#21785428)

someone fist this personsl offtopic mod..

for once a sig metion/correction that is relevent to the train of thought at hand.

on a side note.. i think that who ever did mod Berdo offtopic would get a gold metal (read my sig toget it)

Re:Of course! (5, Interesting)

MightyMartian (840721) | more than 6 years ago | (#21785368)

There are, in fact, very few artists who can produce a consistently good album from first track to last. It was Phil Spector that once famously observed that albums are two or three good songs and a bunch of filler. He was, of course, much more of a singles producer, much more interested in producing hit songs than hit albums.

There are a few acts out there that can make interesting albums, but when it comes to Britney Spears and that ilk, they simply don't have the talent to do it, and the album really is a few hits surrounded by a bunch of garbage. Because the single was all but killed by the end of the 1980s, this is the only music distribution they have.

That is until the Internet, but because the record companies so thoroughly have fucked that up, they're now stuck with an overpriced format that's largely unlistenable junk, and have declared such a tremendous war on consumers that the obvious route of again going back in time to selling singles is a door they simply refuse to open.

They are unimaginative dinosaurs, a pack of accountants and lawyers (whatever happened to the old A&R guys and producers who actually had some independence). These guys don't understand music, to them an album should function like any economic widget, and they have so muddied the water with people who have no business even being in a studio that now people are increasingly unwilling to pay their artificially high CD prices and want the few actually good songs the industry really produces.

I think the most telling thing isn't the complaints of younger artists, but of older artists who have been in the business for decades now. Paul McCartney, who has probably made more money for EMI through the Beatles and his solo work, than most of these crap bands they have now, thinks that the company is old and staid.

Unfortunately governments, rather than recognizing that no amount of legislation can ever keep an out-moded business model alive, have been bought by RIAA and its various international act-alikes, and thus rather than politicians saying "Look, solve your own problem." are allowing the record industry to drive further down the road of absolute extinction.

Re:Of course! (5, Insightful)

CodeBuster (516420) | more than 6 years ago | (#21785370)

The RIAA is just about the only business entity that I can think of that is dead set against giving consumers what they want and sues their customers when they try and satisfy that want on their own.

most news are intentional leaks or press releases! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21784868)

News at 11.

So, stop bitching (5, Interesting)

ByOhTek (1181381) | more than 6 years ago | (#21784878)

and start fighting.

Why doesn't the EFF release a press release occasionally, like this, mentioning the things being done by the [MP|RI]AA to inform the consumers about fair use, laws going into effect and how they will affect us, asking people to contact their reps, etc.?

Lets stop blocking and start punching a bit. Face it, we're geeks, are faces weren't exactly pretty to begin with, it's not like we have much to loose if we get hit there once or twice...

Re:So, stop bitching (2, Redundant)

wikinerd (809585) | more than 6 years ago | (#21784930)

Lets stop blocking and start punching a bit.

There is of course another solution: Stop listening to music RIAA is associated with and instead only listen to music made by independents who freely share their work under Creative Commons and other licences on the net.

Why fight to listen to something that is of low quality anyway? Independents make better music because they love what they do! And if you want to thank them you can always offer them a donation.

Re:So, stop bitching (2, Interesting)

Jaysyn (203771) | more than 6 years ago | (#21784994)

What's wrong with groups that aren't part of the RIAA?

Re:So, stop bitching (4, Insightful)

ByOhTek (1181381) | more than 6 years ago | (#21785026)

Why fight to listen to something that is of low quality anyway? Independents make better music because they love what they do!


Hmm, you have flawed logic in there.

Why fight to listen to something that is of low quality anyway
Actually, there's some good groups in RIAA associated groups. Granted it's not as easy to find as it once was, but it exists.

Independents make better music because they love what they do!
Heh, I like to sing. I can guarantee you don't want to hear me sing. Liking, even loving to do something, doesn't mean you are good at it. So far, most of the independent music I've hear around here sucks horribly, and most even comes out worse than the bottom of the barrel in the RIAA crowd. The last set I went to was horrible. Only one group had potential, then the lead singer opened his mouth and started spewing the most retarded lyrics I have ever heard, with one of the worst singing (shouting?) voices I had ever heard.

Re:So, stop bitching (2, Interesting)

djasbestos (1035410) | more than 6 years ago | (#21785488)

Heh, I like to sing. I can guarantee you don't want to hear me sing. Liking, even loving to do something, doesn't mean you are good at it. So far, most of the independent music I've hear around here sucks horribly, and most even comes out worse than the bottom of the barrel in the RIAA crowd. The last set I went to was horrible. Only one group had potential, then the lead singer opened his mouth and started spewing the most retarded lyrics I have ever heard, with one of the worst singing (shouting?) voices I had ever heard.
Depends where you're coming from...there were quite a few righteously bodacious bands in my locale (til they broke up due to graduating college, infighting, etc). I think a lot of indie bands suffer from a low budget and lack of production skills like mixing and mastering. I'm fairly good at DIY, but I'm in electronic music, which is WAY easier to produce than your old school four/five piece rock band.

Another point to consider is that a LOT of music out there is dreck (RIAA sponsored or otherwise). I've seen/played with some very shitty bands (even my own has been crap on occasion...hard to find good AND dedicated musicians, and I can't do everything by myself on stage). I mean, you make affordable digital cameras with decent onboard editing software (or Photoshop on the computer) and everyone thinks they're Ansel Adams...but there are indeed a few unknown wonders out there. Same goes for music and music production software. Diamond in the rough, etc.

But I agree with GP, as I find that bands who are really into the music and performing it are a lot more entertaining. I've also seen bands that don't seem to give a shit. But when you do it because you want to, I think you tend to produce fewer "filler"/crap tracks. The same might be true for some contracted bands, but then again, they have contracts to fulfill and truly awesome music can't always be created under a deadline.

Re:So, stop bitching (1)

HTH NE1 (675604) | more than 6 years ago | (#21785500)

The last set I went to was horrible. Only one group had potential, then the lead singer opened his mouth and started spewing the most retarded lyrics I have ever heard, with one of the worst singing (shouting?) voices I had ever heard.
It's not fair to judge all independent music by one performance of Timmy and the Lords of the Underworld.

Re:So, stop bitching (1)

ByOhTek (1181381) | more than 6 years ago | (#21785652)

True, but that was about the average of what I saw

The first group sounded horrible (one of the people in it was great solo, but yuck), I described the middle group, and the third group was a mediocre chick with a mediocre group. Maybe 1 in ten of the indie groups I've seen have sounded worth listening to, let alone good.

Re:So, stop bitching (1, Insightful)

Sciros (986030) | more than 6 years ago | (#21785170)

Face it, we're geeks, are faces weren't exactly pretty to begin with, it's not like we have much to loose if we get hit there once or twice...
Speak for yourself buddy, I'm a studly geek.

Re:So, stop bitching (4, Insightful)

CodeBuster (516420) | more than 6 years ago | (#21785524)

The problem is that most people just do what they want with their DVDs and CDs until somebody knocks on their door with a service for a lawsuit. It then shocks people to find out that what they have being doing all along is technically not lawful (i.e. using the burning software that came with the Dell PC for Christmas last year to burn mix CDs for their friends and family). It doesn't occur to them that there is even a problem until it smacks them upside the head like a big wet fish. Remember, it took a campaign of ridiculous lawsuits against grandmothers and children to even make file-sharing a blip on their consumer radar and people continue to do it anyway. People are working hard enough just to make ends meet these days without worrying about an esoteric, to them anyway, issue like copyright. You might as well discuss the relative merits of method delegates vs inner classes with your garbage men for all of the interest you will generate by pushing this issue in public. Their eyes just glaze over when you mention DRM, DMCA, and other technical jargon in response to why they cannot make a copy of that Disney DVD on VHS so that their kids can destroy it without damaging the source DVD.

Re:So, stop bitching (2, Insightful)

IdeaMan (216340) | more than 6 years ago | (#21785548)

Yes we are geeks. Let's do what we're good at. We can create an entirely new media system to publish music not offered by the RIAA. Online music ratings systems to popularize music to people with common interests, wireless access points streaming user chosen programming, valuable and anonymous IP traffic, USB key exchange programs.
Let them squeeze.
The more you tighten your grip, RIAA, the more customers will slip through your fingers.

Re:So, stop bitching (1)

tfurrows (541222) | more than 6 years ago | (#21785572)

The RIAA is not known for hitting in the face... they have a much lower target.

Atrocious?? (5, Insightful)

neuro.slug (628600) | more than 6 years ago | (#21784882)

So they're saying we should avoid the allegedly "atrocious" quality of pirated CDs and buy ringtones? I don't know about you, but there are few things more hellish and foul than a 30-second clip of a song encoded at 64kbps playing through a mobile phone speaker.

Re:Atrocious?? (3, Funny)

Foobar of Borg (690622) | more than 6 years ago | (#21785046)

I don't know about you, but there are few things more hellish and foul than a 30-second clip of a song encoded at 64kbps playing through a mobile phone speaker.
Yeah, that was my first thought. But there is something more hellish. Having an officemate who thinks ringtones are cool and has people calling him all the time. A promotion which gave me my own office is the only thing that staved off death for that abomination.

There's a new trend which is even worse... (2, Interesting)

Joce640k (829181) | more than 6 years ago | (#21785266)

The new trend around here is to play the hellish clip at people when they call so they have something to listen to instead of the normal dialtone (or whatever you call the sound that lets you know it's ringing at the other end).

I don't know what the bandwidth of a GSM phone call is but the latest RIAA offerings sound like somebody being strangled in the middle of a punk-rock nightclub. It takes you a few seconds to even figure out it's supposed to be music and not your phone dying.

Re:Atrocious?? (1)

Bert64 (520050) | more than 6 years ago | (#21785068)

Pirate copies sound atrocious huh?

That old CD i bought a few years ago, which is now all scratched and plays badly must be pirated because it sounds atrocious...
While those FLAC files i downloaded from bittorrent must be legit because they don't sound atrocious.

Re:Atrocious?? (2, Informative)

DRAGONWEEZEL (125809) | more than 6 years ago | (#21785166)

if you pirated from me they would all be 198-320 bit VBR based on when they were encoded. Sounds damn good if ya ask me but I also use a mystacal "crystalizor" to enhance my auditory satisfaction, and then I plumb that satisfaction into ...

Sorry I really like my mp3s!

Re:Atrocious?? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21785118)

And here I was under the impression that a bit-for-bit copy done at a good bitrate sounds just as good as the original. What was I thinking?

Why they're doing this: (3, Interesting)

SanityInAnarchy (655584) | more than 6 years ago | (#21785382)

I keep hearing this rumor that they make most of their money on ringtones now.

They really, badly need to get back to their core business. It's evolved a bit, but they still have a chance to figure it out before all their artists flip them the bird and go completely independent.

This is the Internet. You have one shot to become the middleman, before someone like Google or Amazon takes that role from you.

Re:Atrocious?? (5, Insightful)

Stanislav_J (947290) | more than 6 years ago | (#21785672)

I don't know about you, but there are few things more hellish and foul than a 30-second clip of a song encoded at 64kbps playing through a mobile phone speaker.

Maybe the loud, obnoxious, personal conversation that follows?

Market Failure (5, Insightful)

Alaren (682568) | more than 6 years ago | (#21784894)

...avoid 'compilation CDs that could only exist in the dreams of a music fan'...

This is what we refer to as a "market failure." The Fair Use doctrine exists in part to address this, but this is an excellent example of why Fair Use doesn't go far enough. If you cannot get what you want at a fair price, the market has failed.

Re:Market Failure (1)

R2.0 (532027) | more than 6 years ago | (#21785182)

"If you cannot get what you want at a fair price, the market has failed."

Huh? While I agree that the market for "intellectual property" is broken, your criteria baffle me. I thought the price in a market was set by whatever someone was willing to pay? So you are saying that, unless something is offerred for sale at some arbitrarily "fair" price, it's a market failure? I thought a market failure was when, due to forces outside of a free market, prices are set inefficiently, not "unfairly" (whatever that means). I mean, I don't think it's fair that I had to pay what I paid for my car, but that doesn't mean that the car market has failed; it just means that I CHOSE to pay more than I initially wanted to.

If anything, external agencies going around determining the "fair" prices for items is what screws things up - see rent control, black markets due to rationing, etc.

Market Failure (4, Insightful)

chihowa (366380) | more than 6 years ago | (#21785308)

So you are saying that, unless something is offerred for sale at some arbitrarily "fair" price, it's a market failure?
These "compilation CDs that could only exist in the dreams of a music fan" are not available through legal (they claim) channels, though, at any price. The only way to obtain a product that, as the industry describes it, is a music fan's dream is through the black market. That sounds like a market failure to me.

Ignoring the whole issue of fair use here...

To play devil's advocate for a moment... (1)

Junta (36770) | more than 6 years ago | (#21785726)

I too was amused by the notion that a product that could only exist in a music lover's dream could really exist, just they wouldn't put it together.

To be fair, a number of collections *can* be put together illegally for sale (or legally not for sale once purchased in other ways) that simply cannot possibly be legally put together by any single record company. Let's say for example, you liked for whatever reason, a handful of tracks by Green Day and The Offspring. Your 'dream' in this case could be a compilation of Greatest Hits between those two groups. However, according to Wikipedia, Green Day is under a label called Reprise, and Columbia Records has The Offspring currently. If either company didn't want the other to release such a thing, no matter what, it wouldn't happen.

Also, I personally don't know how the business works with respect to signing rights over and transfer of rights with group transfer. It is conceivable that maybe you want merely a Greatest Hits of The Offspring covering their entire career from 1987 to today. The problem there is that depending on the time, one of four different record companies could own the rights to the song (if it works that once produced by the label, the label doesn't transfer those rights to new labels, which I don't know either way). So in order to release a comprehensive collection, you might need the cooperation of all four to go ahead with such a project.

And finally, they could refer to the simple fact that a dream could encompass an existing product at an incredible price. In this case, bootleggers can charge for media+a little for themselves and be happy, while studios have to recoup production costs and such (which may be overinflated in the pricing, and don't forget the cost of all those lawyers for those nice lawsuits).

This as described seems a shameful approach, essentially slipping a commercial in as news (however, in the text world, press releases are commonly like this and are published unaltered). On the other hand, I don't mind them informing the public about leeches that sell product that's no better than the public could illegally put together for themselves (except for the plausible deniability for the customer). If someone actually for whatever reason wants to support the industry as fubared as it may be, they should know how to meaningfully contribute to it..

Re:Market Failure (1)

The One and Only (691315) | more than 6 years ago | (#21785576)

What's a "fair price"? You haven't defined anything here because you haven't told us what a "fair price" is. All we know is that people are liable to apply that criteria in self-serving ways: "music costs more than I want to pay, it's unfair".

Re:Market Failure (1)

ChameleonDave (1041178) | more than 6 years ago | (#21785704)

This is what we refer to as a "market failure." The Fair Use doctrine exists in part to address this, but this is an excellent example of why Fair Use doesn't go far enough. If you cannot get what you want at a fair price, the market has failed.

How has it failed? "Failed" implies an objective, and the market has no objective beyond the short-term advantage of individual players pitted against each other. It's rather like saying that evolution has "failed" if it doesn't produce a rabbit with cool claws and fangs, or whatever you would like it to produce. It's just short-term incremental adaptations with no final goal.

It is up to us to create a society which has an objective (which ought to be the greatest good), rather than pretend that our current society has one.

Ringtones? (5, Informative)

eno2001 (527078) | more than 6 years ago | (#21784908)

Who the fuck with a brain buys ringtones? Just drop a needle, take a sample and shuttle it off to your phone via USB... Jesus the RIAA are a bunch of fuckin' morons.

Re:Ringtones? (3, Insightful)

Valiss (463641) | more than 6 years ago | (#21785202)

What gets me are the people that pay $1.99 for a 30 second sound clip when the entire song is on iTunes for $.99!

Re:Ringtones? (5, Informative)

glindsey (73730) | more than 6 years ago | (#21785390)

Who the fuck with a brain buys ringtones? Just drop a needle, take a sample and shuttle it off to your phone via USB... Jesus the RIAA are a bunch of fuckin' morons.
Depends on the phone. A lot of newer phones only allow you to choose ringtones from a special section of memory which can't be accessed over USB mass-storage, or require DRM-encrypted files to play. Goddamned phone is designed to work as a music player, and yet you can't use the MP3s stored on it as ringtones, because there's profit to be made, dammit!

It is the kids accepting this shit that are the bunch of fuckin' morons.

What? (5, Insightful)

neochubbz (937091) | more than 6 years ago | (#21784920)

[I]llegally copied music usually sounds 'atrocious.' Instead, they encourage watchers to buy ringtones for Christmas.
What kind of double speak is this?

Re:What? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21785494)

llegally copied music usually sounds 'atrocious.' Instead, they encourage watchers to buy ringtones for Christmas.
What kind of double speak is this?
Exactly, this is only more FUD posted by Communist Zonk. The line you quoted from the summary was actually a misquote by someone else. Ringtones was only one thing they were suggesting. The actual quote was "The good news for holiday shoppers and music fans? The recording industry is offering some cool, innovative ways to get your favorite music this holiday season, from digital album gift cards to Christmas themed ringtones"

The summary as a whole is nothing more than one misquote after another. Nothing new for Communist Zonk to post shit like this.

Ummm... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21785578)

> What kind of double speak is this?

The RIAA kind? Seriously, it's in the video...

Re:What? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21785632)

They are obviously using some third-rate piece of software to rip their music because my illegally copied music sounds just fantastic...must be their DRM...maybe their bit rate is also too low ...

That explains (4, Funny)

oahazmatt (868057) | more than 6 years ago | (#21784950)

In it, they warn people that the best way to avoid counterfeit music is to avoid 'compilation CDs that could only exist in the dreams of a music fan' and to trust their ears, because illegally copied music usually sounds 'atrocious.'
So it sounds atrocious due to piracy, not the content itself. Interesting. That explains that burnt compliation: The Best of Yoko Ono.

Re:That explains (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21785352)

The Best of Yoko Ono

I didn't know she covered 4'33". What album was that?

Re:That explains (5, Funny)

MonoSynth (323007) | more than 6 years ago | (#21785522)

The Best of Yoko Ono
I usually buy that album in sets of 25 or 50, on a spindle.

Gvie the people what they want (5, Insightful)

sbillard (568017) | more than 6 years ago | (#21784952)

From TFS:

avoid 'compilation CDs that could only exist in the dreams of a music fan'

Why aren't these compilations legally available?
If they recognize it is in the "dreams" of their customers, why not give the people what they want?

I used to DJ as a hobby and am proud to say my mixtapes were a big hit among friends. These compilations were fun to make, fun to listen to, and got people exposed to some music they otherwise would've missed or ignored.

The recording industry, the labels, the RIAA, even many of today's "artists" are completely out of touch with their fans and customers. It is stunning and sad.

Wow, I suggest watching the movie. . . (4, Insightful)

ookabooka (731013) | more than 6 years ago | (#21784960)

I have so many things I'd like to say but I hate ranters so I'll keep it brief. I'm not supporting piracy but I don't think two wrongs make a right, only three lefts. I sure hope the RIAA paid local news stations to air this thing, because if they used some sort of professional courtesy agreement I would truly loath their propaganda strategies (even more). I love how they attacked the quality of the CD's, "atrocious" sounding? What a load of bull, I guess these guys aren't really into the way in which digital information theory works (Perfect copies) so they blatantly lie. Oh sure some yahoo could transcode to mp3, real audio, vorbis, then CD and have something that sounds like crap, but I'd think any mildly professional pirate would know this.

Most of all I'm just sick of all the time the RIAA is wasting on this, I think it's quite inevitable that this propaganda won't do anything, I hope they know it too. VHS, cassette tapes. . .all these new technologies gets the industry to wig out over. Imagine if the RIAA spent time on investigating new ways of utilizing the internet and digital information instead of fighting this. If it starts to rain in the desert you shouldn't try to spend every penny you have on keeping your bottled water business afloat.

Sinatra? (3, Interesting)

eck011219 (851729) | more than 6 years ago | (#21784962)

I love how the guy bemoaning the evils of pirating and its association with organized crime is standing in front of a huge portrait of Frank Sinatra, one of the most "connected" artists in American history. That ranks up there with when the (Bill) Clinton reelection campaign chose Mambo #5 ("a little bit of Monica in my life") as its theme song for the convention. It doesn't take a downtown PR firm to figure this crap out.

the dreams of a music fan [must... be... quashed] (1)

flaming error (1041742) | more than 6 years ago | (#21784990)

> avoid 'compilation CDs So now Time Life Music is a Pirate organization?

cts's holiday guide to ripping off the riaaholes (2, Informative)

circletimessquare (444983) | more than 6 years ago | (#21784992)

1. download emule

2. load the shared folder with gigs of porn. small files (the point is: lots of files to mask your download)

3. start sharing the porn. wait for awhile, a few hours. this will stuff your upload queue

4. pick an album you want. for example for my gf, it was alisha keys "as i am". find the copy with the most sources. pay attention to the comments (denotes a good source or a bad source)

5. suck that sucker down by itself, your only download, high priority, as fast as possible. when done, immediately remove the album from your incoming file directory

the point here is that you are not being a "bad" file sharer (only taking, not giving). you are just segregating what you give/ take by your legal exposure

the point of all the porn is that it masks any requests for the file the riaa will go after you for. even when the file is half downloaded, people can start taking it from you, so you don't want an empty upload queu. you must mask and flood out any requests for the riaa loaded file while it is being downloaded with tons of harmless porn uploads that no one will go after you for sharing

that's about as safe as you can get sharing pop music files in the usa (if you are not technically astute)

happy holidays!

Re:cts's holiday guide to ripping off the riaahole (1)

plague3106 (71849) | more than 6 years ago | (#21785062)

Your plan would work if someone had to sit at a computer and look at all the stuff you're sharing. I somehow doubt the RIAA investigators are THAT low tech..

Re:cts's holiday guide to ripping off the riaahole (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21785412)

Or, you could save yourself the hours of trouble and buy the damn thing for $10. Don't you people value your time or do you really get off on coming up with convoluted ways of getting crap music for free?

Huh (2, Insightful)

Quiet_Desperation (858215) | more than 6 years ago | (#21785002)

because illegally copied music usually sounds 'atrocious.'

Well, all *my* illegally copied music sounds just fine.

And I'd sooner go back to wax cylinders and magnetic wires than give them another fucking penny, so find a different tree to bark up, RIAA.

Hey, I just noticed you can't spell "a pirate" without RIAA! Yeah, I'm kinda slow.

Oh fuck them (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21785004)

I only listen to compilations these days. Sure, I bought all the CDs, but I rarely sit down and listen to something in its entirity. CDs for the car, and at home I use my reel or DAT for hours of music usually mixed together so there's no gap in between. To me it's the only way to fly. I bought their friggin' product, how I use it is my business. If they don't like it they can bite me. I make 'em for friends and family too. They usually in turn buy the full CD if they like the artist. They ought to be paying people like me a marketing fee instead of trying to sue. Morons.

iTunes == bootleg? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21785010)

if music sounds crappy, it is bootleg? well, 128K aac sounds like shit...so iTunes is bootlegging?

Pirated News Clip! (3, Funny)

lilomar (1072448) | more than 6 years ago | (#21785020)

"...pirated products often appear amateurish..."
Um, I don't think this clip is legal guys... ;-)

Unbiased News Sources (4, Funny)

andrewd18 (989408) | more than 6 years ago | (#21785024)

It's stunts like this one that make me happy I get all my news from unbiased sources like Slashdot.

Re:Unbiased News Sources (5, Insightful)

Bryansix (761547) | more than 6 years ago | (#21785108)

It's not that News posted to Slashdot is not biased. It is that people can comment on that bias and point it out that makes Slashdot great.

What is the point? (1)

Trev311 (1161835) | more than 6 years ago | (#21785028)

So we are supposed to avoid compilation albums... The only problem with that is there are so many legit comps out there. They manage to make it seem like we have to be extremely careful when we go to a big box retailer to avoid pirated music. When is the last time we heard about the RIAA suing someone like bestbuy or target because they had pirated music? They would rather go after individual people for downloading music. Pirated music costs the records labels billions, sure I'll give them that, but the consumers are hurt? The way that we(consumers) are hurt is by the awful music and collections (like mothership) that are currently put out by the record labels. The RIAA doesn't need to use this into scaring people about actually buying a cd. They should thank those people for actually still paying money for their music even if it is fake because the way the recording industry is going the only people that will be worth paying for music are independents.

Haha (0, Redundant)

Bert64 (520050) | more than 6 years ago | (#21785032)

// avoid 'compilation CDs that could only exist in the dreams of a music fan

Yes, because fans (read: customers) could only ever dream of the riaa actually providing them with what they want.

I've been handing out compilation CD's... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21785122)

...like they were Pez, and I'll keep doing it now especially to spite the RIAA!

And I beg to differ with the RIAA about the quality of my compilations--I rip directly from my own CDs to make the new ones, and I normalize the sound (volume levels) for songs from different albums and put in (or leave out) gaps between songs as appropriate. Nothing wrong with the quality--nobody has complained yet.
In fact, I know of at least a couple of cases where people have gone out and bought more of the artists' CDs after getting into the compilations I gave them, something they wouldn't likely have done unless I had exposed them to the artist in question in the first place. Anyway, it's not like I'm some Chinese counterfeiting factory pumping out thousands of CDs and selling them for a profit. Artists lose nothing from what I do, and if anything, they gain when recipients of my compilations like them enough to go buy their own CDs.
I'd say this horse is pretty much dead.

Re:I've been handing out compilation CD's... (1)

UnknownSoldier (67820) | more than 6 years ago | (#21785418)

Agreed.

Any business that is not interested in free-marketing is not going to be in business very long.

--
Reddit [reddit.com] is the kiddie version of /. [slashdot.org]

That's actually really weird. (1)

Effugas (2378) | more than 6 years ago | (#21785128)

'compilation CDs that could only exist in the dreams of a music fan'

Now That's What I Call Music! 26 (U.S. series) is a compilation album released November 13, 2007. It also has 4 #1 Hot 100 U.S. Billboard hits. This is also the third NOW! album not to feature a country song. It should also be noted that Nickelback's "Rockstar" is left completely unedited. It sold 208,000 copies in its first week, making it one of the lowest-selling debut weeks of a U.S. Now! CD. However, in the second week the album went up to #3 with 234,000 copies. So far it has sold 442,000 copies in two weeks.


Now That's What I Call A Shitcanning.

If I were Apple... (1)

maxair_mike (1154515) | more than 6 years ago | (#21785132)

I would be thanking them for the free marketing...that is, if people watch any more than the first 5 seconds once they realize its a propaganda campaign. But a lot of people won't listen past the first few seconds once they realize what it is, so forget the free marketing for Apple and iTunes. I'm sure they'll do well enough this holiday season anyway. Now, as for some of the claims made in the commercial, anyone that is halfway competent with a computer would know that the claims are mostly crap. Like most of you, I laugh hysterically at the part about compilation sets. Seriously, this is one consumer group and business model that won't be around too much longer if they continue as they have been for a while now.

If by atrocious ... (1)

erroneus (253617) | more than 6 years ago | (#21785152)

...they mean the crap that is being put out these days, then it all must me illegal music!

This is normal (3, Informative)

wonkavader (605434) | more than 6 years ago | (#21785192)

Video Press Releases are a way for your local news station to fill a minute or two without spending any money to create content. As such, these for-profit "news" channels love them. They're done by any number of industries. The key is that they have to be very polished. If they don't have the usual TV news production values, the stations won't run them. This means that you need to have at least the same sort of equipment that the local stations have, putting such VPRs out of reach for most organizations that we'd actually WANT to send out such a thing.

But Proctor and Gamble can afford it, as can Conagra, etc.

You want them all the time, if you bother watching local news, and don't even know it. Look for the atractive reporter that you've never seen before, or the reporter who reports on the same subject EVERY SINGLE TIME he or she is on a segment. That's a giveaway that it's outside material.

"Atrocious" (1)

jayhawk88 (160512) | more than 6 years ago | (#21785212)

Isn't one of the major reasons the RIAA is so against file sharing is that digital music allows "perfect" reproduction?

Re:"Atrocious" (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21785330)

Yes, but if they spread word that it's "atrocious" it'll seem less attractive.

finally some honesty (1)

fermion (181285) | more than 6 years ago | (#21785218)

In it, they warn people that the best way to avoid counterfeit music is to avoid 'compilation CDs that could only exist in the dreams of a music fan'

Up until this point I believed that compilation CDs had some significant value, and I have even purchased some of them as they did contain my dream songs. I even recall television advertisements encouraging me to buy these wonderful compilations, often accompanied by dream type metaphors, in which I was told to send money to K-Tel in exchange for highly coveted collections of incredible songs. It turns out that these compilation either had little value, or were pirated music, as it is clear from the quote that label sanctioned compilations exists not to provide consumer their dream music, but to provide the labels additional revenue on stale product. In the future I will avoid all compilations, and instead just copy the tracks I wish off my previously purchased CDs.

Instead of Ring-tones this year (2)

nurb432 (527695) | more than 6 years ago | (#21785230)

I say pirate every piece of music you possibly can, that is under their control. Oh, and send them a copy too.

Then go out and support your local independent band.

in SOVIET RECORD COMPANY... (1)

AragornSonOfArathorn (454526) | more than 6 years ago | (#21785288)

news write YOU!

Seriously, did they hire some ex-KGB guys to work on stuff like this?

But you wouldn't... (5, Funny)

Jess (geek-chick) (896411) | more than 6 years ago | (#21785294)

steal a baby! [youtube.com]

Atrocious? (1)

iviagnus (854023) | more than 6 years ago | (#21785376)

Wow. The RIAA sounds an aweful lot like the propaganda spewed forth during our major wars. Fact is, when I put together a compilation CD for myself, a friend, a family member, or the girl I just pulled up beside in traffic, the lunch-counter waitress, the Wal-Mart associate, the filling station attendant, etc, etc, etc . . . they get a CD with all the audio goodness of an RIAA-sanctioned release. Gee, but how is that possible? Because contrary to their dogma, most copied music is very listenable . . . and a great percentage is indistinguishable from the original CD. I rip my tracks to an uncompressed lossless format and author them directly, rather than rip, convert to MP3 or some other lossy format, then the inevitable conversion back to a lossless format during the authoring (burning) process. Unfortunately, by then it's too late. It just goes to show, you can't trust what you see and hear on the nightly news. It's all spin brought to us by the richest, most powerful of this country with absolutely no vested interest in us, the consumer/citizen. So . . . fuck the fucking fuckers.

Could only exist in the dreams of a music fan (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21785380)

That's exactly the kind of CD that SHOULD exist!

Their problem isn't that the pirates are selling their stuff, it's that the pirates are doing their job BETTER than they are.

Labels, get your heads out of your asses and sell these "unable to exist" CDs yourselves.

Turnabout is fair play. (1)

symbolset (646467) | more than 6 years ago | (#21785414)

Why can't some public minded video types compile a consumer news clip with high production values that helps people avoid the perils of DRM by pointing them to unencrypted sources for their favorite content? Apparently the networks will run nearly anything they didn't have to pay production costs for.

A gootube dramatic series would be cool too. You could call it MediaQuest, with the stooge starting each episode buying content he hopes to enjoy (the "White Album?") but every episode ending with his money wasted as his purchase becomes unusable yet again. "Rats! DRM'd again!"

That would be nice.

You know it's the holiday season when ... (1)

david_morgan (5148) | more than 6 years ago | (#21785438)

Any major company/group/party/etc starts it out with propaganda. While yes stealing is wrong, so is out right lies. It's to bad that no one at the top of any of the previously mentioned bodies remembers that two wrongs don't make a right.

Phew! I'm safe! (2, Insightful)

delirium28 (641609) | more than 6 years ago | (#21785596)

'compilation CDs that could only exist in the dreams of a music fan' and to trust their ears, because illegally copied music usually sounds 'atrocious.'

Thank god! My dream compilation CD's all sound great, so they must not be illegal copies. Thank goodness for bad logic!

Nothing New or Unusual (2, Informative)

immcintosh (1089551) | more than 6 years ago | (#21785598)

Video News Releases [wikipedia.org] have been around forever. The RIAA may be horrible leeches on society and all that, but pretty much any corporation with an agenda and a couple bucks can be counted on to do the same thing. This is one of many reasons not to ever use television news for anything meaningful. If you want real news, find a respectable paper (or internet) publication that cites sources and identifies authors of everything. May not be perfect, but television news is simply a vast wasteland in comparison. RIAA writes its own news--welcome to the status quo.

I can just imagine the headlines (2, Funny)

tristian_was_here (865394) | more than 6 years ago | (#21785612)

RIAA News Network:
Tom - "Today old lady steals millions of dollars worth or records we will send you to john for the full report"

John - "Well Tim what looks to be an old lady is really a monster while she was cashing her pension she was behind a organized syndicate of file sharers stealing hundreds of songs from Snoop Dogg, Britney Spears, Slipknot and many others, back to you Tom"

Tom - "Well that's one old lady who will be spending the rest of her days in prison"

There's dangerous stuff out there (1)

4D6963 (933028) | more than 6 years ago | (#21785646)

Yeah, the world is dangerous out there. You think you're buying a legitimate CD for $5 on a street corner out of a trunk, and what do you know, this is pirated music. Ouch, whoda thunk it! Fortunately the RIAA is here to tell us about the dangers of unintentionally buying pirated music.

And that's not all, they have more videos coming up, one with a guy baking a couple of bacon slices going "These are your ears. These are your ears on pirated music.". Really, what would become of us without the RIAA?

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