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'Mind Doping' Becoming More Common

Zonk posted more than 6 years ago | from the gotta-get-my-music-on dept.

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runamock writes "The Los Angeles Times is running a story on the growing use of 'mind drugs': 'Forget sports doping. The next frontier is brain doping. ... Despite the potential side effects, academics, classical musicians, corporate executives, students and even professional poker players have embraced the drugs to clarify their minds, improve their concentration or control their emotions. Unlike the anabolic steroids, human growth hormone and blood-oxygen boosters that plague athletic competitions, the brain drugs haven't provoked similar outrage. People who take them say the drugs aren't giving them an unfair advantage but merely allow them to make the most of their hard-earned skills.'" There's an interesting comment on this topic in Fresh Air's top cultural trends of 2007 broadcast.

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Flashback! (5, Funny)

grub (11606) | more than 6 years ago | (#21814446)


People who take them say the drugs aren't giving them an unfair advantage but merely allow them to make the most of their hard-earned skills.

That sounds like what I used to say when I was dropping lots of acid and eating oodles of mushrooms in the '80s! Worked for me and never affect me in any way... gotta run, the xmas tree is breathing again.

Re:Flashback! (2, Interesting)

nowhere.elysium (924845) | more than 6 years ago | (#21814478)

Well yeah, hallucinogens aren't really what they're suggesting here, I'd hope. Otherwise, TV Poker would be even more boring than usual, because all that'd be going would be a table of players going "Woah, that dude's, like, putting a sword through his head. Or maybe it's my head, maaaan. Y'know, like, uh, swords. Yeah. Swords are sharp man. Y'know, like cutting, right? Yeah."
Actually, there's a chance that it may make it entertaining enough to actually watch... Who knows? On with the drug trials!

Re:Flashback! (2, Interesting)

aussie_a (778472) | more than 6 years ago | (#21814500)

People have been talking about the smellovision for years. Well I now propose the sensavision. This will be used to inject drugs into people while they're watching depending on what the viewer wants to evoke in a scene. Want the audience to feel sad? In goes some depressants. Want them to feel the adrenaline the protagonist feels in a car chase? In goes an injection of adrenaline. It will also be used for Olympic events to duplicate the drugs the Chinese swimmers are taking as well.

Re:Flashback! (5, Insightful)

dattaway (3088) | more than 6 years ago | (#21814840)

Want the audience to feel sad? In goes some depressants. Want them to feel the adrenaline the protagonist feels in a car chase? In goes an injection of adrenaline.

This is equivalent to giving the media companies root access to the entire population of the planet. Sometimes natural privilege separation is a good thing.

Slashdotters Are Not Using the Drugs (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21814510)

Judging from the quality of articles in this forum, I am sure that Slashdotters are not using the drugs.

The Cure for Blacks and Hispanics? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21814564)

These drugs could be the cure for Blacks and Hispanics. Despite decades of government-mandated preferential treatment, Blacks and Hispanics continue to underperform Asians and Whites, academically.

You see the same pattern at a geographic level. Both South America and Africa underperform Western society (which includes Japan), economically. South America and Africa are the original genetic source for Blacks and Hispanics in the USA.

Clearly, Blacks and Hispanics suffer an intelligence-quotient (IQ) deficiency. Some studies suggest that the deficiency is about 20 IQ points.

These drugs could help the Blacks and Hispanics to overcome their mental deficiency.

Re:The Cure for Blacks and Hispanics? (2)

aussie_a (778472) | more than 6 years ago | (#21814614)

You assume that it is our lifestyle which is the better and so those that cannot operate as effectively in it are of lower intelligence. The problem with this is their lifestyle (Aboriginal lifestyle anyway, I'm not particularly knowledgable of African or Hispanic people before the spread of white man and the trends they were moving towards) didn't and wouldn't have created global warming. Their society was not severely impacted by droughts. They didn't need to desalinate water or recycle it in order to simply be able have enough for their society. They did not have to go to war simply to use the tools of their society.

To me the Aboriginal who lived in their old ways sounds much more intelligent then myself and most of my fellow Australians and Americans.

Re:The Cure for Blacks and Hispanics? (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21814652)

While it is true that each population group has adapted to its local environment, saying that intelligence is a relative term is quite fallacious. Intelligence is essentially the capacity to synthesize and assimilate knowledge. Europeans and East Asians have certainly mastered agriculture, so the idea of intelligence being relative is rather debunked.

The fact of the matter is that people of lower IQ do not fit into western society very well. Blacks and hispanics do poorly in our society but Whites and East Asians succeed very well.

Re:The Cure for Blacks and Hispanics? (0, Offtopic)

aussie_a (778472) | more than 6 years ago | (#21814710)

I realize I'm being trolled (and on Christmas nonetheless! I hope you're Jewish, a Jehovas Witness or live in a country where Christmas has finished), but this is fun.

The fact of the matter is that people of lower IQ do not fit into western society very well. Blacks and hispanics do poorly in our society but Whites and East Asians succeed very well.
Really? So how many East Asians have been presidents or vice presidents in America? Just as many as there have been black and hispanic people in those positions? Then you might find it is not related to the ability to perform agriculture, but is instead related to how a white powerful elite treat people of other races. Black and hispanic people are treated poorly, and as such a lot of them (although I hope its lessening as the government and society works to righting past wrongs) are in the lower classes.

Oh and as for agriculture being a sign of intelligence: Egyptians (which have a largely "black" makeup with "southwest asian" influences) also mastered it. And yet they are not a superpower today. Funny that, isn't it?

Re:The Cure for Blacks and Hispanics? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21814774)

I realize I'm being trolled

I am not trolling. I am serious.

Really? So how many East Asians have been presidents or vice presidents in America?

How many whites have been President Of China or Emperor of Japan? How many have even tried to run?

Just as many as there have been black and hispanic people in those positions?

Could it be that most people want to elect someone who represents someone that resembles themselves? Chinese people do not resemble the White majority.

Then you might find it is not related to the ability to perform agriculture, but is instead related to how a white powerful elite treat people of other races

Did I say electability is related to your agricultural skills? You are the one who brought up that topic, not me.

How come White people do not have much in the way of political power in non-white countries? Riddle me that!

Black and hispanic people are treated poorly, and as such a lot of them (although I hope its lessening as the government and society works to righting past wrongs) are in the lower classes.

No. Black and Hispanic people come from societies that never advanced as far as the ones of our European ancestors (or for Asian people, their ancestors). We give minorities quite a lot in special programs and payment but yet there is very little concrete results, only marginal improvements.

Re:The Cure for Blacks and Hispanics? (-1, Troll)

aussie_a (778472) | more than 6 years ago | (#21814796)

You're incapable of harnessing the intelligence of a gerbil to use blockquote or italic tags. Therefore I can only assume that you're black and thus prove your point, or an ignorant white person who therefore doesn't warrant listening to.

Re:The Cure for Blacks and Hispanics? (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21814802)

I did use italics, dumbass!

Anyway, here is meat of my thesis. Either attack my argument or admit defeat!

Very poor Chinese people have come to America over the years and have managed to become very successful in their endeavors here. I am sure you agree with this. Black people who have been much longer than they have not managed to enjoy the same amount of success. It is also true that Chinese people, like many major immigrant groups, have experienced discrimination and abuse at the hands of the people already here. Yet, the Chinese overcame that adversity quickly. Same with the Irish or the Italians.

Race and average IQ are very much correlated. Assuming that we are all equal has not worked and will not work.

Re:The Cure for Blacks and Hispanics? (1, Offtopic)

aussie_a (778472) | more than 6 years ago | (#21814816)

I did use italics, dumbass!
Given you are incapable of admitting the reality of this, I would find it laughable to respond to the rest of your post. While its possible what you say is true, its also possible a monkey will create Shakespeare on a typewriter. It doesn't mean I'm going to read everything a monkey says on the off chance they do somehow produce Shakespeare.

Re:The Cure for Blacks and Hispanics? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21814828)

Given you are incapable of admitting the reality of this, I would find it laughable to respond to the rest of your post. While its possible what you say is true, its also possible a monkey will create Shakespeare on a typewriter. It doesn't mean I'm going to read everything a monkey says on the off chance they do somehow produce Shakespeare.

Why don't you LOOK at my post, moron? Every quote of yours is in italics.

You find it laughable to attack my argument with substance, like I have done with yours, because you have NOTHING to offer to counter it.

Thanks for hilariously making your defeat.

Re:The Cure for Blacks and Hispanics? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21815022)

I will never admit defeat to the likes of you. your arguments are purely racist and poorly presented [t35.com]

Re:The Cure for Blacks and Hispanics? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21815126)

Fohootvil for life! EAST SIDE! wh00t! You know how we do in the FHV, reconize bitch!

Re:The Cure for Blacks and Hispanics? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21815102)

you sir are a moron, firstly Spain is in Europe ergo all Hispanics are of European descent and secondly some people define success as being productive and self-supporting, and others define it as being lazy and have others support them. Egypt was a perennial superpower, until the new kids on the block, the Romans, kicked their asses up around their ears.

Not Quite Correct (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21815152)

The Spaniards invaded South America and inter-married with the local populations. The term, "Hispanic", refers to the resulting offspring.

What is interesting is the following. Due to possessing some European physical features, Hispanics resemble Caucasians more than Asian-Americans. So, Hispanics have experienced less racism (from Caucasians) than Asian-Americans. Yet, Asian-Americans outperform Hispanics, academically.

The inevitable conclusion is that Hispanics suffer from an intelligence-quotient (IQ) deficiency.

Re:The Cure for Blacks and Hispanics? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21815202)

That blacks have failed to assimilate well in the large scale exploitative hellhole that is America is no insult to black men. All you appear to be telling me is that Chinese culture involves the same desire for control and class on a massive scale as American - which can be confirmed by looking at China, the most successful fascist state the world has ever seen.

Most Slashdot posters forget just what a small, privileged population of their country they are. There's nothing "great" about America, unless you are part of that privileged elite; sure, there's a greater proportion of satisfied customers than you'll find in North Korea, but you really have to look at tribal cultures (and their modern derivatives) to witness advanced society. To wit, one where the Slashdot elite don't tell the other 95% how good they have it.

(I'm fairly certain you're not a troll, as no troll would put repeated effort into such poorly-built argument.)

Re:The Cure for Blacks and Hispanics? (4, Insightful)

mclaincausey (777353) | more than 6 years ago | (#21815150)

How come White people do not have much in the way of political power in non-white countries? Riddle me that!

Oh, you mean like Apartheid or the Belgian Congo or Imperial Egypt or Imperial India or.... (list goes on FORVEVER...)

Retard, Hispanics are descended from European culture, ever hear of Spain? Conquistadors? Get a clue. Won't bother responding to the rest of your diatribe because I already proved you don't know what you're talking about, and thus anything that follows out of your cowardly mouth is unreliable.

Being President Is Unrelated to the Issue (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21814820)

East Asians are still a small percentage of the American population, so the lack of East-Asian presidents does not indicate oppressive racism. The USA has racism, but the degree of it is not sufficient to explain the woeful academic underperformance of Blacks and Asians.

By the way, there have been a handful of Japanese-American politicians in Congress. Despite the World-War-II internment of Japanese-Americans, they succeeded well after release from the internment camps. Several Japanese-Americans were elected to Congress by districts that were predominantly Caucasian.

On a larger geographic scale, we can see the woeful failure of nations in Africa and South America. Compare their failure to the success of Japan (or even racist South Korea). There is no "white racism" to oppress the South Americans or the Africans. They destroyed their own societies via their intelligence-quotient (IQ) deficiency. These drugs boosting IQ may help them.

Re:Flashback! (1)

iminplaya (723125) | more than 6 years ago | (#21814842)

That sounds like what I used to say when I was dropping lots of acid and eating oodles of mushrooms in the '80s!

HA! Liar! They haven't made good, clean acid since the 60s.

Re:Flashback! (1)

grub (11606) | more than 6 years ago | (#21815082)


HA! Liar! They haven't made good, clean acid since the 60s.

Having never done it in the '60s I wouldn't know. Most of the blotter we got in the '80s was certainly fun, microdot crap would just rot your guts.

The Cure for Blacks and Hispanics? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21814906)

The moderator just modded my original anonymous article to "-1". The moderator is suffering from an intelligence-quotient deficiency since modding down an article is a waste of effort. With ease, I can again anonymously post the article, restoring the moderation point that the moderator just deducted. Below is the original article.

These drugs could be the cure for Blacks and Hispanics. Despite decades of government-mandated preferential treatment, Blacks and Hispanics continue to underperform Asians and Whites, academically.

You see the same pattern at a geographic level. Both South America and Africa underperform Western society (which includes Japan), economically. South America and Africa are the original genetic source for Blacks and Hispanics in the USA.

Clearly, Blacks and Hispanics suffer an intelligence-quotient (IQ) deficiency. Some studies suggest that the deficiency is about 20 IQ points.

These drugs could help the Blacks and Hispanics to overcome their mental deficiency.

Re:Flashback! (4, Funny)

pushing-robot (1037830) | more than 6 years ago | (#21815190)

A hundred comments and no Sapho/Mentat/Dune references? Who are you people, and what have you done with the real Slashdot?

MERRY CHRISTMAS SLASHNIGGERS (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21814448)

A few years ago, while browsing around the library downtown, I
had to take a piss. As I entered the john a big beautiful all-American
football hero type, about twenty-five, came out of one of the booths.
I stood at the urinal looking at him out of the corner of my eye as he
washed his hands. He didn't once look at me. He was "straight" and
married - and in any case I was sure I wouldn't have a chance with
him.

As soon as he left I darted into the booth he'd vacated,
hoping there might be a lingering smell of shit and even a seat still
warm from his sturdy young ass. I found not only the smell but the
shit itself. He'd forgotten to flush. And what a treasure he had left
behind. Three or four beautiful specimens floated in the bowl. It
apparently had been a fairly dry, constipated shit, for all were fat,
stiff, and ruggedly textured. The real prize was a great feast of turd
- a nine inch gastrointestinal triumph as thick as a man's wrist.

I knelt before the bowl, inhaling the rich brown fragrance and
wondered if I should obey the impulse building up inside me. I'd
always been a heavy rimmer and had lapped up more than one little
clump of shit, but that had been just an inevitable part of eating ass
and not an end in itself. Of course I'd had jerk-off fantasies of
devouring great loads of it (what rimmer hasn't), but I had never done
it. Now, here I was, confronted with the most beautiful five-pound
turd I'd ever feasted my eyes on, a sausage fit to star in any fantasy
and one I knew to have been hatched from the asshole of the world's
handsomest young stud.

Why not? I plucked it from the bowl, holding it with both
hands to keep it from breaking. I lifted it to my nose. It smelled
like rich, ripe limburger (horrid, but thrilling), yet had the
consistency of cheddar. What is cheese anyway but milk turning to shit
without the benefit of a digestive tract?

I gave it a lick and found that it tasted better then it
smelled. I've found since then that shit nearly almost does.

I hesitated no longer. I shoved the fucking thing as far into
my mouth as I could get it and sucked on it like a big brown cock,
beating my meat like a madman. I wanted to completely engulf it and
bit off a large chunk, flooding my mouth with the intense, bittersweet
flavor. To my delight I found that while the water in the bowl had
chilled the outside of the turd, it was still warm inside. As I chewed
I discovered that it was filled with hard little bits of something I
soon identified as peanuts. He hadn't chewed them carefully and they'd
passed through his body virtually unchanged. I ate it greedily,
sending lump after peanutty lump sliding scratchily down my throat. My
only regret was the donor of this feast wasn't there to wash it down
with his piss.

I soon reached a terrific climax. I caught my cum in the
cupped palm of my hand and drank it down. Believe me, there is no more
delightful combination of flavors than the hot sweetness of cum with
the rich bitterness of shit.

Afterwards I was sorry that I hadn't made it last longer. But
then I realized that I still had a lot of fun in store for me. There
was still a clutch of virile turds left in the bowl. I tenderly fished
them out, rolled them into my handkerchief, and stashed them in my
briefcase. In the week to come I found all kinds of ways to eat the
shit without bolting it right down. Once eaten it's gone forever
unless you want to filch it third hand out of your own asshole. Not an
unreasonable recourse in moments of desperation or simple boredom.

I stored the turds in the refrigerator when I was not using
them but within a week they were all gone. The last one I held in my
mouth without chewing, letting it slowly dissolve. I had liquid shit
trickling down my throat for nearly four hours. I must have had six
orgasms in the process.

I often think of that lovely young guy dropping solid gold out
of his sweet, pink asshole every day, never knowing what joy it could,
and at least once did, bring to a grateful shiteater.

IE FP! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21814452)

Its ironic that all the Firefox Zealots are running back to IE thanks to Slashdots stupid new comment system. The old school comment system still works in IE! I have set up my IE tab for slashdot!

not stupid at all (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21814708)

in fact the 'new format' helps robbIE hide (as in censored) 'unpreferred' comments whilst garnering more&more clicks for his (the sourceforgerIE's) decaying blog, just the way the corepirate nazi advertisers like it. all for a few more stock markup FraUD dollars. we could think of other more appropriate adjectives to describe the behaviour.

One word that we can all relate to; (5, Insightful)

name*censored* (884880) | more than 6 years ago | (#21814462)

Caffeine.

diet and lifestyle too (1)

davidwr (791652) | more than 6 years ago | (#21814562)

Caffeine, certain foods, certain diets, certain lifestyles, even having a religion can all affect mental qualities.

Am I cheating because I consume certain foods and avoid others before the Scrabble tourney so that I'm at my mental best?

Am I cheating because I live a low-stress lifestyle which makes me better able to train for my charity poker tournament?

Re:diet and lifestyle too (1)

novakyu (636495) | more than 6 years ago | (#21815174)

Yes.

Let's be honest here. If athletes are cheating when they consume chemicals that will help them perform at their best, so are you, whenever you do something that others don't.

Doesn't impact entertainment and ignorance (2)

aussie_a (778472) | more than 6 years ago | (#21814468)

the brain drugs haven't provoked similar outrage.
As messed up as this might sound, the above most likely is because it doesn't impact on entertainment and ignorance of the side-effects. The latter is obvious that if the side-effects were well known (among lay people) to be extremely dangerous, then there would be concern over teenagers using them.

The former might not be quite so obvious. The reason people are outraged when sportsmen or Olympic competitors use drugs is because people watch it for entertainment and to admire the abilities that people and animals can reach. College tests or business meetings aren't televised for people to be entertained or to marvel at the natural abilities of the human brain, so it doesn't have the same effect. Many horse racing gamblers will often say they wouldn't mind drugs, if the stats were released. While they're probably joking, I think there is some truth to it.

Re:Doesn't impact entertainment and ignorance (1)

MrMunkey (1039894) | more than 6 years ago | (#21814890)

business meetings aren't televised for people to be entertained

There's a new idea for a reality TV series! (on a side note: good post)

Right (1, Insightful)

Trailwalker (648636) | more than 6 years ago | (#21814474)

'Mind Doping'
Is this not a contradiction in terms?

Re:Right (1)

creimer (824291) | more than 6 years ago | (#21814590)

Not for the dopes taking it.

Awesome (5, Interesting)

chuck (477) | more than 6 years ago | (#21814482)

Did anyone else RTFA just to see what they should be taking to enhance their brain?

Re:Awesome (1, Interesting)

modmans2ndcoming (929661) | more than 6 years ago | (#21814532)

Yes,

I was pissed off because they were all prescriptions.

My Doc would not give those to me.

I have however found that taking supplements does a decent job.

I was very deficient in Vitamin D and Calcium because I do not eat foods high in those substances. I started popping D pills with calcium and now I feel a lot better, no more "crappy morning" syndrome. I think clearer too. I also take a B complex pill so I can make sure I get all my neurotransmitter precursors (B vitamins are used by the body to create almost all your neurotransmiters such as serotonin and dopamine, etc).

I am also about to start a body cleansing regiment to remove toxins from my body such as aluminum, mercury, pesticides, etc. Hopefully that will make me feel even better.

Re:Awesome (1)

aussie_a (778472) | more than 6 years ago | (#21814554)

In all seriousness (I can't tell if you're being serious but I'll assume you are) that is perfectly alright as if that was considered cheating then so would exercising (which will also raise some of your neurotransmitters). I think you'd have a hard time convincing someone that drinking a glass of milk is alright but taking a calcium tablet is an unacceptable advantage.

Re:Awesome (1)

modmans2ndcoming (929661) | more than 6 years ago | (#21814714)

WTF?

Dude, who the fuck said I thought it was cheating?

Re:Awesome (1)

aussie_a (778472) | more than 6 years ago | (#21814742)

I'm sorry I assumed your post was on topic which is about

Despite the potential side effects, academics, classical musicians, corporate executives, students and even professional poker players have embraced the drugs to clarify their minds, improve their concentration or control their emotions.
And the responses we as a society have to it, including

People who take them say the drugs aren't giving them an unfair advantage
If you were just ranting about not being able to take a drug, then don't mind me.

Re:Awesome (1)

modmans2ndcoming (929661) | more than 6 years ago | (#21814756)

I was on topic to the GP. he asked did others read the article just to see what to take. I affirmed his inquiry, Added some color commentary about what I found in the article, and then described what I do currently to help keep my mind sharp. It all follows pretty logicaly.

Re:Awesome (1)

aussie_a (778472) | more than 6 years ago | (#21814772)

Maybe to your drug-addled brain ;)

(Just kidding, I get what you're saying. Just didn't think the "WTF" response was called for when I thought it obvious I was responding to some of what you'd said in an on topic manner related to the story).

Re:Awesome (1)

DigitalHammer (581235) | more than 6 years ago | (#21814608)

Vitamin D and Calcium? You could simply drink milk--it contains both ingredients and is cheaper anyway.

Re:Awesome (1)

modmans2ndcoming (929661) | more than 6 years ago | (#21814746)

1) I do not drink enough milk, or eat eggs, etc
2) vitamin D pills and Calcium Pills provide more of both for a longer period of time than milk. 1 bottle lasts me 2 months, and costs me 10 bucks. in that same period of time, the amount of milk I would buy just for normal needs, let alone over supplementing, would costs more than twice that.

Re:Awesome (1)

Klaus_1250 (987230) | more than 6 years ago | (#21814676)

They used to sell such a product here (Netherlands) in normal shops (e.g. not Smart Shops or alike) until about 3 years ago (not legal anymore). I tried it for quite a while and it did work, but for my taste, a bit too good. Couldn't sit back or take a stroll down the block without thinking just about everything, instead of just clearing my mind and relaxing. Even getting to sleep became difficult. The label stated that the product shouldn't used longer than 30 consecutive days, followed by a 30 days off period, which made me wonder how safe it actually was.

Re:Awesome (1)

chill (34294) | more than 6 years ago | (#21815054)

Couldn't sit back or take a stroll down the block without thinking just about everything, instead of just clearing my mind and relaxing. Even getting to sleep became difficult.

Ummm...wow. You just described my normal life. I have to practice meditation to get to sleep at a reasonable time. "Clear my mind"? I wish I could do that. I can't recall a time in my life where my mind wasn't racing along at 1000 MPH, thinking about everything.

I'm working on some serious meditation just so I can focus on the task at hand. Only immersive tasks cause me to focus and not have my mind wander. Good books, movies, coding projects or sex -- everything else only gets a small slice of my attention.

Re:Awesome (5, Insightful)

Glonoinha (587375) | more than 6 years ago | (#21815148)

Cut back on the caffeine. A gram a day is a bit much. Don't ask how I know this.
And if you want to really make a difference - try going ethanol free for a week. Eat dinner at least three hours before going to sleep, and during the two hours before bed drink three or four full glasses of water. Pee before climbing into bed. Go to bed eight and a half hours before you need to wake up, so you fall asleep over the next 30 minutes and still get eight solid hours of sleep.

I'm not saying I do this all the time, but when I do do it I'm in a lot better shape the next day.

Re:Awesome (1)

chill (34294) | more than 6 years ago | (#21815182)

Thanks, but I'm not sure how to cut back on caffeine.

I drink coffee about once a week. Same for caffeinated sodas. The tea I drink is all caffeine-free herbal, and I don't eat a lot of chocolate. My caffeine intake isn't a lot to begin with.

I'll try the rest, though.

Re:Awesome (1)

Tim_UWA (1015591) | more than 6 years ago | (#21814744)

I really want to know too, but nobody has posted it here, so I guess I'll die wondering

Re:Awesome (1)

Znork (31774) | more than 6 years ago | (#21814928)

Yep, I know, poor form to RTFA, but I wanted to see if it was something new and interesting.

But basically it looks like the ordinary newspeak about 'mind-doping'. So, people use amphetamines and derivatives to enhance mental performance. Well, duh. That's been done for half a century, and it has well known side effects. The only difference is that these days they're prescribed for ADD instead of as diet pills. And the college chem-students twisting a molecule here and there to keep ahead of the DEA have grown up are working for Big Pharma, twisting a molecule here and there to keep ahead of the FDA and USPTO.

I really dont see much news in this, other than the tendency to call it 'mind doping' and 'mind-enhancing' rather than 'doing drugs'.

Sorry (2, Insightful)

jav1231 (539129) | more than 6 years ago | (#21814490)

Doping is doping. If you're altering your state of mind you are still doping. And yes, if you were in an academic competition then taking a drug to make you more clear-thinking is an advantage.

Re:Sorry (1)

aussie_a (778472) | more than 6 years ago | (#21814522)

Can you imagine the media frenzy when the winner turns out to have used these drugs! Oh, I can just feel the ratings pouring in. Perhaps the WCF will require random drug testing!

Re:Sorry (2, Insightful)

SlowGenius (231663) | more than 6 years ago | (#21814534)

Jav1231 sez:

Doping is doping. If you're altering your state of mind you are still doping. And yes, if you were in an academic competition then taking a drug to make you more clear-thinking is an advantage.


Yes, to all of that. Your point is....?

(I'm assuming you're trying to connect the concepts 'mind-doping' and 'bad'. I don't think you quite succeeded in that attempt.)

Re:Sorry (4, Insightful)

modmans2ndcoming (929661) | more than 6 years ago | (#21814684)

what about places like MIT where they use norm referencing for grading their students? I would certainly be pissed off at a doper because it directly affects my grade in the class.

Re:Sorry..but..ummm... (2, Insightful)

bleaked (609151) | more than 6 years ago | (#21814976)

By your logic, a well-balanced meal, tea, coffee, or even a good nights sleep would be considered doping.

Re:Sorry (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21815060)

I agree.

Quoting from TFA: "the drugs aren't giving them an unfair advantage but merely allow them to make the most of their hard-earned skills."

That IS the unfair advantage.

Mind doping (2, Funny)

SamP2 (1097897) | more than 6 years ago | (#21814520)

I've been taking a mind doping drug every morning for decades. It's called coffee.

Re:Mind doping (4, Funny)

aussie_a (778472) | more than 6 years ago | (#21814578)

Thankfully your safe from coffee being outlawed as it isn't a threat to the rope industry.

Re:Mind doping (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21814814)

the exciting thing about drugs like provigil is that they work as good or better than coffee for concentration, without raising blood pressure to the degree that coffee does or causing the amount of fine tremor that coffee does.

drug design only gets better, better efficacy, less side effects. this is just the beginning.

incorrect underlying assumption (4, Interesting)

nguy (1207026) | more than 6 years ago | (#21814524)

The underlying assumption here is that being smarter helps people be successful, but the correlation between intelligence and success is relatively small.

So, many of the drugs may not be doing a whole lot to help people achieve more success.

Re:incorrect underlying assumption (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21814682)

uh, but obviously these drugs don't make you smarter, they just make you concentrate harder, work harder, and avoid distractions better, which certainly will help you achieve more success.

It's a bit sad (5, Insightful)

Martian_Kyo (1161137) | more than 6 years ago | (#21814528)

how hard we try to 'fix' ourselves.
Most of us aren't really as broken as we think.

Re:It's a bit sad (1)

Harmonious Botch (921977) | more than 6 years ago | (#21814868)

Speak for yourslf. I'm damn good and aiming for perfection.

Drugs to "enhance the mind"? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21814530)

*cough* Ritalin anyone?

That's the real reason no one is going after these kinds of drugs, because Ritalin and other such drugs fall under the same category.

speed (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21814538)

I find it interesting that in these articles you always see in the news, you never see the word "amphetamine" used. It's always "ADHD drugs". When people term a drug "speed" in the majority of cases, they're referring to the stronger ADHD drugs. Adderall (d-l-amphetamine), dexedrine (d-amphetamine), and desoxyn (methamphetamine!) are all used for this purpose and yet you will never hear in the news that people 3 and up with a diagnosis of add/adhd are using amphetamine or methamphetamine. It's always euphemistically termed. Think about it.

Re:speed (1)

aussie_a (778472) | more than 6 years ago | (#21814642)

The people I know all realize that speed and ADHD tablets are pretty much the same thing (if not exactly the same thing). The difference is not in the drug, but how it is used. When it is used in those that suffer from ADHD, it helps them function in society, interact with others and lead a meaningful and happy life. When those that don't suffer from ADHD tablet take it, they begin to act like as if they're a child sufferer of ADHD.

This means its quite simple to realize if someone has been misdiagnosed.

Re:speed (5, Insightful)

Artifakt (700173) | more than 6 years ago | (#21814996)

But people are being told by the media that meth users get horrible skin lesions from the drug, that it rots teeth, causes crash and burn onset anorexia, that even one exposure causes permanent brain damage, etc.

If all this is false, then our drug laws are based on terrible lies, and we are putting lots of people in prison for lengthy mandatory minimum sentences for essentially nothing.

If all this is true, then we are exposing currently upwards of 200,000 5 to 11 year olds to a drug that is incredibly risky for adults, and counting on once-a-year doctor visits to control it. The pharmaceutical industry is expecting to see the number of elementary school aged children on Adderal rise to about 1 million in the next 4 years. Somehow, the medical difference between ADHD and normal brain chemistry automagically protects the child's body from all the horrible effects we see in the rest of an adult's body.

And yes it is exactly the same drug and not just pretty much - Adderal is a mixture of Methamphetamine and Benzedrine salts, with meth amounts similar to averages for adult recreational exposure. Parts of the pharmaceutical industry have tried to get around this fact by comparing the time release average dose in a child's system at any one time to the peak dose in a meth-junkie's system immediately after injection, which ignores three things.
    1. many meth users at least supposedly addict without injecting the drug.
    2. many adverse health effects depend on average dosage at least as much as peak.
    3. elementary school age children normally have a much lower tolerance for just about all drugs than do adults. We generally assume safe exposures are much smaller even for non-perscription drugs.

Re:speed (1)

flynns (639641) | more than 6 years ago | (#21815062)

It's cause they -aren't- methamphetamine, and "amphetamine derivative" seems to be needless fearmongering.

aren't these amphetamine like effects? (1)

BigHungryJoe (737554) | more than 6 years ago | (#21814540)

Don't a lot of these drugs have effects similar to amphetamines?

I used to take ephedrine by the truckload until the government basically pulled it off gas station shelves and started tracking purchases of it at pharmacies despite the fact that it is OTC. It pisses me off because I was told that "only methamphetamine cooks buy ephedrine" by local pharmacists, which I know is completely untrue.

After having read this article, I'm unclear as to why these drugs are "ok" with law enforcement, but my use of ephedrine is not.

About the money (4, Interesting)

fermion (181285) | more than 6 years ago | (#21814558)

In sports and entertainment a million dollar contract does not buy you an employee, it buys you a product. A product that must be leveraged to earn several times that contract price, and that must be carefully controlled so that parents and the conservative will pay for the content as a wholesome product. Otherwise why would any pay the exorbitant fees when, at least from the point of view of the child, the band at the local club is much more entertaining and interactive. To complicate matters the sports and entertainment product is posited as a role model for children, which make PR control even more critical. If the sports product is seen as dressing, acting, and taking drugs just like the preferred, for instance, rapper, then how can the sports product be presented as superior product worthy of higher costs, even though the entertainment value is often less.

So the sports product must be controlled with dress code, drug codes etc, and when the sports product does something wrong, something that any normal person would do, the product is released so as not to tarnish the lilly white reputation. The drug thing is not about the product, it is about the image of the product. This goes to non sports products targeted as family and conservative friendly, like the Disney creation Hannah Montana who commands a premium as the product is "wholesome".

Now, if these other mental acts every become marketed as uber conservative family friendly, and the entertainers in these acts every become products, then we are likely to see them crack down on drug use, but that will be the smallest problem. Right now classical performances, art museums, indie public television, all of this type of entertainment, can get away with all sorts of stuff because they now the people who watch are not looking for the bland uber conservative family 'I am afraid of my body' entertainment. Bad or Good, the product is marketed toward a people with a wider view of the world, included families. For instance, parents send their kids off to these top rate colleges, and they must know full well that mistakes will be made in relationships and controlled substances, among other things, so there must be faith that the child has enough intelligence and a sufficiently good upbringing so the parents can let do.

Re:About the money (4, Insightful)

Penguinisto (415985) | more than 6 years ago | (#21814874)

Err.... what?

There's a hell of a lot more to it than presenting a "lily white" or "wholesome" package when it comes to the ban on sports doping (couldya pack in the word "conservative a few more times? I didn't see it enough in there). There was a recent (and still ongoing) debate on the use of sports enhancers in friggin' golf FFS. (Having been stuck w/ frequently visting a hospital that doesn't have WiFi over the past month or so, I get to read the newspapers a lot). Okay... golf. We're not talking the Tiger Woods type of golfers incidentally; we're talking about old men who takes drugs to keep their knees and hips from coming apart - drugs which have a neat side effect of adding a measureable number of yards to their swing... yet for some odd reason, the entire golf industry is going apeshit over whether or not these old men, playing the various Senior tours, should be allowed to use these medicines and keep playing. The whole point had frig-all to do with image, or what the kids might think (I mean, c'mon - how many teenaged kids watch Senior Tour Golf)? No - the whole point was that golf, like any other sport*, is a measurement of how good at it a human being can get without any help of the chemical variety - they're measuring the man, not the chemicals he used to get the win.

Point is, there are tons of people so obsessed and engrossed with sports (kids, adults, what-have-you), that it's all about the stats. It's all about the drive to eliminate 'cheating' of any kind.

A good geek parallel would be a pro gamer being caught with a custom aimbot. Would you be so quick to dismiss that as a drive by the sponsors to present a "lily white", "conservative" image? Hell, no! You'd want the bum tossed. Similarly, you get shades of grey there, too - wallhacks, "custom" binds that enhance gameplay, things like that... all the sudden it's no longer a contest of skill, but a contest to see who can build the best hack, and the game is no longer the game.

Sure, PR plays a pretty big role in the whole sports/drugs affair, no doubt about it, but don't fool yourself into thinking it's the primary goal of the whole anti-doping brouhaha.

Academia is a whole other dimension - mostly because the question is... "what competition"? Sure, there is a level of competitiveness, but not in any organized sense of the concept.

While the goal is certainly noble (more knowledge), there are a lot of side-effects that nobody understands. A researcher sucking down "mind-enhancing" pills may or may not come up with some new way to get a widget to do something neat, or they might manage to build an anti-gravity machine... but how many of these folks understand that they're facing a coctail of potential troubles down the road? The thought of accelerated Alzheimers' disease or chemically-induced mental illness down the road seems to be a hellishly high price to pay for something that may or may not come true.

Pretty much the same deal with the whole "i'm afraid of my body" semi-taunt you posted... it isn't fear of the body (or mind), it's what happens much later on, when the demand/desire is over, and you're stuck trying to pick up the pieces with what you have left - mind, body, finances, social circle, etc. Some drugs (e.g. marijuana) can be taken over years without too much worry over long-term effects - provided that the one consuming it is at least halfway mature, does so in moderation, and exercises enough willpower to not let it affect (let alone dominate) all other aspects of his or her life. That said, most folks don't have these qualities, and tend to make a royal mess of things, even with the relatively harmless stuff (let alone the real dangerous shit like, say, methamphetamines). Same with alcohol, incidentally. (now the whole idea of legality and such is beyond the purview of discussion... personally, I believe the "war on drugs" is idiotic; there are far better ways to handle it - by actually profiting off of human stupidity (e.g. tax the shit) and at the same time keep the violence down). In either case, if adults have a damned hard time handling the stuff, then what makes you think that teenagers have an easier time of it?

Anyrate, I'll close this post before I wend my way too far off into tangent-land. I've a trip to the hospital to take, where I get to go visit someone who is suffering the results of badly-applied medicine given by prescription (yet taken exactly as prescribed... shit, man - if formally-trained docs can't do the job right by and large, what makes you think that ordinary folks like you and I are any better at taking these things?)

/P

Re:About the money (4, Insightful)

mapkinase (958129) | more than 6 years ago | (#21814878)

Putting aside your clear political motivation, the real difference and the real reason why the original post is so overstretching is that sports IS entertainment which is based on certain rules, that every participant should meet certain standards to enter _competition_.

Real life (business) is not about _competition_ and _winning_ _everyone_. It is about money. Who cares if Bill Gates is number one or number 10? As long as he does not violate rights of others, he can do to himself whatever he wants according to the rules of Western society.

Sport is about "ultimate" justice, "honesty". That is why it is a model. A second life, an incubator, an artificial construct. Real world is not.

Re:About the money (1)

Brian Stretch (5304) | more than 6 years ago | (#21814988)

It's about risk assessment and encouraging bad behavior. Conservatives are more likely to look for the downside, and we're quite often right. Steroids have some pretty nasty side effects so while pro athletes will likely benefit short-term and find the downside acceptable, having impressionable children who haven't developed their risk assessment skills yet try to emulate them would be Bad. Less high profile people are less of a concern.

Don't think kids are that impressionable? Guess why the Left fights tooth and nail to maintain and control the government education monopoly.

As for the cognitive enhancers, what's the downside? The upside is pretty obvious and certainly practical, people don't take them for mere amusement, and they're taken by people who are usually pretty good at risk assessment, so... we'll watch quietly until the downside is a bit more clear. If the grade school set gets a hold of them I expect we'll hear more of a fuss.

The grade school use of prescription Ritalin, etc. is a much greater concern. It looks like ADHD is being driven by petrochemicals in the food supply, namely most artificial coloring, flavorings and preservatives. See feingold.org [feingold.org] . This is one time when it's appropriate for the government to pull rank and ban stuff. The cost/benefit analysis is a no-brainer.

Re:About the money (1)

Brian Stretch (5304) | more than 6 years ago | (#21815014)

I should have said the grade school use of unprescribed cognitive enhancers. Bad enough that the kiddies get them under doctor supervision.

Re:About the money (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21815188)

The left, as you say, tries to keep some control over education so that people are free to practice their faith rather than be indoctrinated into the prevailing cult. Think prayer is important? There are five minutes between classes when children can choose to pray instead of finding their next sex partner. No one needs the cult christianity when the bible so clearly says
And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward. But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly. But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking. Be not ye therefore like unto them: for your Father knoweth what things ye have need of, before ye ask him. After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.
I think even the most hypocritical so-called christian knows the rest.

And let's not forget the damage brought on day by persons, in my experience overwhelming conservative and christian, that value the shopping opportunities of the season rather than the peace and healthy relationships preached by the person for whom we celebrate.

Children are impressionable, but reasonable children with reasonable parents can be raised primarily at home, not in school. The danger of school is not that they hear untruths, but that they ar persecuted by cult member and forced to participate in rituals that are not part of their faith. And the cultist like this because it peer pressure will force the student to live not in the faith taught by the parents, but in the self-serving antics forced upon the student by the cult members. Of course for the parent who does not wish to interact with the child, or has taught the child untruths in order to control the child, school poses all sorts of danger

On this day we think of humility, and lovering our neighbor as ourselves, and not being greedy, and sacrifice. Part of this is accepting that we might be wrong, we are not the center of the universe, and g-d can and will do whatever pleases, no matter what arrogant humans have written on sheets of paper.

I'm on mind-doping chemicals right now... (0, Offtopic)

Progman3K (515744) | more than 6 years ago | (#21814570)

So I'm getting a kick out of all these replies...
Wait. wrong web-site. //Fark

mindphuking corepiate nazi hypenosys for everyone (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21814592)

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Three Little Letters (1)

flyneye (84093) | more than 6 years ago | (#21814594)

LSD
and other archeological precidents.

a good turn of phrase from "blade runner" (1)

circletimessquare (444983) | more than 6 years ago | (#21814598)

having nothing to do with this subject, but applicable nonetheless

"accelerated decrepitude"

here's another one:

"How much of my long-term health am I willing to sacrifice for the sake of short-term glory?"

from nytimes science section [nytimes.com]

now enjoy your mind doping

you have been warned

Re:a good turn of phrase from "blade runner" (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21814876)

"How much of my long-term health am I willing to sacrifice for the sake of short-term glory?"


Yes, never mind that the moderate use of steroids has little detrimental effect over the long term and the the morons you see who actually have mental and physiological issues from their use generally are taking multiple drugs at numerous times the recommended dosage.

On many things you're dead-on and often thought provoking. On this topic you've missed the boat.

Healthier is better. (2, Interesting)

ttroutma (552162) | more than 6 years ago | (#21814600)

I think that a normal healthy person can get better results with proper sleep, diet and exercise and a daily power nap or meditation. Saying this as a former brain doper that now has better results the natural way.

Re:Healthier is better. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21814992)

I don't have time for that.

Re:Healthier is better. (1)

Deaddy (1090107) | more than 6 years ago | (#21815194)

It depends. If you need to learn something or have long-term projects, I fully agree, because your mind works a lot while sleeping and therefor a healthy way of life (which I think enhances quality of sleep like nothing else) results in much better performance. But if you have short-term objectives, like a test or a short deadline, some drugs may help a lot for this short period of time.
However, I don't think that concentrating on short-term goals is efficient, so maybe mind doping is only useful to the useless masses.

lolikun.org (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21814628)

http://lolikun.org/ [lolikun.org]

Not really new (4, Interesting)

el_munkie (145510) | more than 6 years ago | (#21814646)

Paul Erdös [wikipedia.org] seemed to be quite productive on uppers:

His colleague Alfréd Rényi said, "a mathematician is a machine for turning coffee into theorems", and Erdös drank copious quantities. (This quotation is often attributed incorrectly to Erdös.)[3] After 1971 he also took amphetamines, despite the concern of his friends, one of whom (Ron Graham) bet him $500 that he could not stop taking the drug for a month. Erdös won the bet, but complained during his abstinence that mathematics had been set back by a month: "Before, when I looked at a piece of blank paper my mind was filled with ideas. Now all I see is a blank piece of paper." After he won the bet, he promptly resumed his amphetamine habit.

Re:Not really new (0, Troll)

Penguinisto (415985) | more than 6 years ago | (#21814936)

Shows exactly what's wrong with it too... he began to rely on the chemical to do all of his thinking for him, as the results show plainly.

/P

If a chemical makes you genius (0, Troll)

death_metal_black_me (1128565) | more than 6 years ago | (#21814650)

Will it turn you racist like Nietzsche, Schopenhauer, Bach, Aristotle, Plato, Newton and Huxley?

Re:If a chemical makes you genius (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21814754)

do you really think Nietzsche, Schopenhauer, Bach, Aristotle, Plato, Newton, and Huxley were wrong?

Re:If a chemical makes you genius (1)

Cylix (55374) | more than 6 years ago | (#21814810)

That sounds like a great band name... "My Chemical Genius"

Semantics (1)

Scroatzilla (672804) | more than 6 years ago | (#21814716)

I just think that the biggest advantage is to already possess a skill. Just because any idiot can take some sort of pharmaceutical does not mean that any idiot can be good at thinking. I'm not sure I even understand this strange distinction that people make between prescription drugs such as Prozac, and "performance enhancing" drugs.

Every foreign chemical introduced into the body is bound to have some sort of unknown or undesirable side effect on someone. The question is how much is the individual willing to balance the risks with the desirable outcome, IMHO. Prozac = artificial happiness. Steroids = artificial physical prowess. Mind dope = artificial clarity.

So what?

Re:Semantics (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21814908)

removing steroids doesn't cause your muscles (obtained by going to the gym, not sitting on your ass, waiting for the steroids to kick in and grow your muscles) to disappear. mind dope does give you artificial clarity, but who cares? you've done what you needed to in a more efficient manner. prozac indeed gives artificial happiness in a happiness-deficient (ie mentally diseased) person. artificial is bad? artificial hip or wheelchair for the rest of your life, what would you pick? being depressed all the time or being normal and able to get on with the rest of your life? fucking around on slashdot for 2 hours a day, 5 days a week, or avoiding the distraction that is slashdot with the help of provigil, and spending that 10 hours a week at the gym (doing steroids, of course) so you can be in shape?

Nicotine (3, Interesting)

bryanp (160522) | more than 6 years ago | (#21814720)

This isn't entirely new. The fact that nicotine enhances short term memory has been known for quite a while. I know someone who doesn't smoke but does buy the nicotine gum just so he can get that specific boost.

Good to be dumb (2, Interesting)

jmpeax (936370) | more than 6 years ago | (#21814824)

FTFA:

There are not too many occupations where it's really good to be dumb

Actually, many non-graduate jobs prefer people to be pretty dumb, academically at least. The jobs they offer only require a small amount of training which doesn't require much intelligence or academic ability, and doesn't offer much other than tedium. They don't want to employ someone who has academic prospects for fear that they might leave or just start not caring. This was a problem when I was a high school student - retailers didn't want me because of my straight As - they knew I'd be going to university, while the guy who failed three of his subjects would have much more potential as a long-term employee.

When you're 16 and you've just got As and A*s at GCSE and then you can't even get a summer job, it's pretty disheartening. I'm in my final year of university now and at the beginning of the year I got a part-time (and damn well-paid, for a student at least) job as a PHP developer, though, so I guess it has evened out!

on the same topic (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21814930)

There are not too many occupations where it's really good to be dumb

On the same topic, I remember hearing about a story where an applicant to a police department was rejected because he was too intelligent:

http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_56314.html [ananova.com]

I wonder how common this practice is? It might explain the currently sorry state of law enforcement.

Re:Good to be dumb (2, Funny)

dilute (74234) | more than 6 years ago | (#21815156)

The jobs they offer only require a small amount of training which doesn't require much intelligence or academic ability, and doesn't offer much other than tedium. . . .I'm in my final year of university now and at the beginning of the year I got a part-time (and damn well-paid, for a student at least) job as a PHP developer . . . .

Come, on, PHP isn't THAT bad!

Brain doping? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21814870)

So if you dope your brain with Boron you get a P-type brain, and if you dope your brain with Phosphorus you get an N-type brain. Makes sense.

Drunken lemurs don't need your dope (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21814948)

There are not too many occupations where it's really good to be dumb.
yeah, like.. upper management

Cheating isn't the problem... (1)

John Allsup (987) | more than 6 years ago | (#21815154)

It's desperation for success. This drives people to want that extra 10% out of themselves and they'll do anything to get it rather than learning to be content with who they are. Using 'mind-enhancing' drugs may bring brief success, but dependence follows and ultimately the person loses themselves.

I'd agree that a bit in moderation is ok, and perhaps quite good (I'm thinking of coffee and tea here).
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