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Jack Thompson Claiming Games Industry in Collusion with DoD

Soulskill posted more than 6 years ago | from the no-word-on-dick-cheneys-duck-hunt-sequel dept.

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mytrip brings us a Wired blog about Jack Thompson's recent press release, which claims an "unholy alliance" exists between the gaming industry and the U.S. Department of Defense. Game Politics also has a discussion of Thompson's main points. From Wired: "Jim Blank, the head of the modeling and simulation division of the U.S. Joint Forces Command, says that commercial games don't meet the demand of the military, adding, 'first-person shooter games really don't apply in this environment.' Blank's point is that game-like simulations are a valuable tool for training soldiers in situations that would be too expensive to simulate in reality."

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and? (4, Insightful)

spiritraveller (641174) | more than 6 years ago | (#21848700)

Yes, they use video games to train. Yes, they use video games to market to recruits. Yes, they are in the business of war.

Somehow adding video games to the mix makes it more unholy than it already was?

Whatever. Will someone just shoot this guy already?

Re:and? (1)

Scruss (1130173) | more than 6 years ago | (#21848740)

I do not get this guy, there are more pressing matters than video game violence.

Re:and? (2, Insightful)

liquidpele (663430) | more than 6 years ago | (#21849070)

It's called being consumed by your beliefs, or by your own perceived righteousness
If he was Muslim, he probably would have blown himself up by now.

It's a funny thing. Many people, once they make a decision, will come up with ANY excuse as to why that decision is still correct - often to ridiculous ends. I forget the exact name, but it's one of the cognitive fallacies.

Re:and? (2, Informative)

BotnetZombie (1174935) | more than 6 years ago | (#21849402)

Is this what you couldn't remember?
Cognitive Dissonance [wikipedia.org]

Re:and? (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21849450)

Perhaps something more like http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias [wikipedia.org]

Re:and? (1)

liquidpele (663430) | more than 6 years ago | (#21849682)

Yes, confirmation bias! That's the one. Thanks!
Someone mod the AC up.

Re:and? (1, Informative)

api_syurga (443557) | more than 6 years ago | (#21849494)

If he was Muslim, he probably would have blown himself up by now.
Suicide is forbidden in Islam. http://www.answering-islam.org/Index/S/suicide.html [answering-islam.org]

Re:and? (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21849550)

That doesn't stop the suicide bombers, does it?

Re:and? (1, Insightful)

rhakka (224319) | more than 6 years ago | (#21849580)

"thou shalt not kill", a fairly straightforward piece of divine advice, hasn't stopped the Jews, Christians, OR the muslims either. I suppose no one is very good at following their own religion, eh?

Re:and? (1)

modecx (130548) | more than 6 years ago | (#21849590)

Suicide is forbidden in Islam. http://www.answering-islam.org/Index/S/suicide.html [answering-islam.org]

So, go tell that to the motherfuckers who are blowing themselves up. That aside, I find the first bullet in your link to be a unique and unexpected insight, that could never have been fully understood before the 1940's.

er... keep reading... (1)

Fmuctohekerr (841734) | more than 6 years ago | (#21849616)

You know, that sounded interesting so I followed your link... strange that you should post that... you should keep reading... apparently in Islam there is a difference between SUICIDE & SUICIDE BOMBING. SUICIDE BOMBING seems (per your link) to be a perfectly OK way to do business.

Many Muslim jurists have justified this course of action as an acceptable means of fighting in Islam. There is nothing unislamic about it.

What business is that?

These people, on the other hand, have a very definite goal in their life and death: To establish the rule of Islam.

http://www.answering-islam.org/Index/S/suicide_bomber.html/ [answering-islam.org]

no?

Re:er... keep reading... (1)

api_syurga (443557) | more than 6 years ago | (#21849786)

Ouch, guilty as charged, I should have kept reading rather than hastily posted the first link google gave me.

The majority of the muslim world still believes that suicide, either as bombers or otherwise, taking innocent lives etc are forbidden in Islam.

http://www.religioustolerance.org/reac_ter14.htm [religioustolerance.org]

I wasn't trolling in my earlier response :/

Re:and? (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21849496)

If he was Muslim, he probably would have blown himself up by now.
If he was Muslim his community would have tried to put him straight and told him to stop making the rest of them look bad.

Sadly Jack Thompson's community is "Lawyerdom".

Re:and? (2, Insightful)

AciD2BasE (955788) | more than 6 years ago | (#21849536)

If he was a Terrorist, he probably would have blown himself up by now.
Fixed that for you.

Re:and? (1)

Alicat1194 (970019) | more than 6 years ago | (#21849546)

Cognitive dissonance. Wikipedia link here [wikipedia.org] .

Re:and? (4, Funny)

thewiz (24994) | more than 6 years ago | (#21849552)

I forget the exact name, but it's one of the cognitive fallacies.

Stupidity?

Re:and? (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21849618)

It's a funny thing. Many people, once they make a decision, will come up with ANY excuse as to why that decision is still correct - often to ridiculous ends. I forget the exact name, but it's one of the cognitive fallacies.

How about Confirmation Bias? [wikipedia.org]

Re:and? (1, Flamebait)

Opportunist (166417) | more than 6 years ago | (#21848832)

You have to understand the far right. Real killing == good, virtual killing == bad. You don't want your kids to live in a dream world, do you?

Re:and? (1)

creimer (824291) | more than 6 years ago | (#21848900)

This is similar to the movies rating system: violence and gore is A-OK, but sex and drugs is NOT-OK. That's why the Friday the 13th series was so successful as anyone who does sex and drugs dies a violent, gory death.

Re:and? (5, Funny)

TitusC3v5 (608284) | more than 6 years ago | (#21848904)

Whatever. Will someone just shoot this guy already?

Don't be alarmed, everyone. That's just the video games talking.

Re:and? (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21849046)

Whatever. Will someone just shoot this guy already?

Don't be alarmed, everyone. That's just the video games talking.

Of course, the irony is that if even 1% of gamers were as violent as he claims, one of them really would have shot him long ago.

Re:and? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21849100)

Damn. And I had him in my periscope too. [wikipedia.org]
I hope the bastard falls into the volcano!

Re:and? (5, Funny)

Seumas (6865) | more than 6 years ago | (#21849188)

By Thompson's logic, cars are training simulators for driving tanks and APVs and and RISK is a training simulator for conquering and destroying to build a fascist global empire.

Why is this guy still allowed to tie up the media and court system? Why isn't he in jail or disbarred or institutionalized? He is the Jerry Falwell of videogames and at least Falwell finally had the decency to fucking die.

Re:and? (1)

Watson Ladd (955755) | more than 6 years ago | (#21849612)

It seems you never learned about the Kriegsspiel the Prussian army used in the nineteenth century to train officers.

Re:and? (1)

Tailsfan (1200615) | more than 6 years ago | (#21849308)

Should it be a violent gamer? Just joking.

Re:and? (5, Insightful)

Derosian (943622) | more than 6 years ago | (#21849424)

A madman is a madman until someone kills him and turns him into a Martyr.

Of course it is. We got ninjas and pirates too... (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21848720)

...and we're coming for you, Jack. We're all out to get YOU, Jack. Boo!

That's right Jack (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21848738)

It's a plot. They're in it with the Reverse Vampires and the RAND Corporation.

Re:That's right Jack (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21848902)

if you keep talking like that you will be put in the cube

Re:That's right Jack (2, Funny)

kqc7011 (525426) | more than 6 years ago | (#21848970)

It's the fluoride!

Re:That's right Jack (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21849126)

Or the gay niggers..

Mr. Thompson, should I interpret it in this way... (1)

Opportunist (166417) | more than 6 years ago | (#21848758)

...that you, since you have been attacking computer games as the spawn of evil itself for quite some time now, want to say that the DOD and thus the United States of America is bad and threatening our children, should your elaboration be interpreted in this way, yes?

Just for the record, of course...

Re:Mr. Thompson, should I interpret it in this way (5, Insightful)

innerweb (721995) | more than 6 years ago | (#21849306)

I am pretty sure that was meant to be funny, but the truth of what is really being said is startling.

He is anti-american, like so many other neo-cons. The reason they want to change so many things of such consequence is they do not like the US. They want a new country with their rules in place. Something much more akin to the fundamentalist Muslim countries or Mussolini's government. A place where their ideals and beliefs reign supreme without that bothersome interruption from people who would think or believe differently.

I guess the scary part for me is that at one time, when I started learning about the neo-cons, I agreed with much of what I had learned. It was not until much later when I started seeing through the lies that I really got a grasp on what they stand for. It almost lends plausibility to those who believe they are trying to create a new world order. Because it sure seems like they are.

InnerWeb

Re:Mr. Thompson, should I interpret it in this way (3, Insightful)

Connie_Lingus (317691) | more than 6 years ago | (#21849408)

i guess its a lot easier to throw around a term like "neo-con" that dumbly lumps people into a group then to actually parse each individuals perspective in the group as to their beliefs.

please don't think that i am a "neo-con", or defending that particular POV. i guess in this current cycle of election-mania i felt the need to vent about the oversimplification of political rhetoric that bombards us daily from the news outlets.

And if you play really well, you get abducted... (3, Funny)

NeverVotedBush (1041088) | more than 6 years ago | (#21848764)

The DoD is just copying what the aliens already did. I heard that if you do really well in the alien video game, it sends a signal out and pretty soon a talking spaceship lands to take you away to fight evil aliens.

See, the game is just a simulation of the real fight and the aliens need to find someone to save them. If you are the best, they come get you to go fight their war using the fabled "Death Blossom" maneuver.

(Not to be confused with the fabled "Turd Blossom" maneuver used many times over the last seven years by the Bush administration.)

Re:And if you play really well, you get abducted.. (2, Interesting)

Nicholas Burns (992143) | more than 6 years ago | (#21848930)

The Last Starfighter. I love that movie.

Re:And if you play really well, you get abducted.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21849412)

Do you explain Far Side comics to people, too?

Re:And if you play really well, you get abducted.. (1)

demonlapin (527802) | more than 6 years ago | (#21849540)

The movie's older than a college senior. There might be a few people on here who don't get the reference.

Have a pretty white jacket, long arms. (2, Funny)

headkase (533448) | more than 6 years ago | (#21848766)

Hasn't he been disbarred yet? Seriously if it was you or I going on like this month after month we'd probably at least get a month commited for evaluation. He's got something wrong with him and instead of looking inward to see what it is he projects it outward and thinks everyone needs to be saved from the demons that plague him.

Re:Have a pretty white jacket, long arms. (4, Insightful)

Opportunist (166417) | more than 6 years ago | (#21848800)

Freedom of speech and all that. Yes, I hate it as much as anyone that this guy can spew his drivel and waste valuable oxygen by continuous breathing and add to the carbon dioxide problem that way, but he still has the right to keep talking.

I think the 1st is more important than silencing him. He ain't that important.

Re:Have a pretty white jacket, long arms. (2)

coolhaus (186994) | more than 6 years ago | (#21849688)

It would help if the media would stop responding to his publicity stunts.

Re:Have a pretty white jacket, long arms. (1)

ArikTheRed (865776) | more than 6 years ago | (#21849370)

...instead of looking inward to see what it is he projects it outward and thinks everyone needs to be saved from the demons that plague him.
IANAP, but I think that he pretty clearly qualifies as a sociopath [wikipedia.org] .

Re:Have a pretty white jacket, long arms. (1)

ultranova (717540) | more than 6 years ago | (#21849790)

Hasn't he been disbarred yet? Seriously if it was you or I going on like this month after month we'd probably at least get a month commited for evaluation.

He has been committed to a psychiatric evaluation [wikipedia.org] , which he somehow managed to pass, and the Florida Bar has been trying to get him disbarred [wikipedia.org] , so far without results.

The man is the real-life equivalent of GNAA. In a way, it is admirable how he takes trolling to the level of art.

It's the gamers! The gamers and the DOD! (1)

The Ultimate Fartkno (756456) | more than 6 years ago | (#21848768)

And the QUEERS! They're in it with the aliens! Do you know what they're doing to the SOIL?

AACK! JEWS! JEWS AND KOOPA TROOPERS!

RUUUUNNNNN!

Seriously. How has this man not been clubbed like a seal yet?

Re:It's the gamers! The gamers and the DOD! (1)

Opportunist (166417) | more than 6 years ago | (#21848788)

Last time I checked it was still illegal for some reason. And so far nobody has deemed him important enough to do time for killing him.

Re:It's the gamers! The gamers and the DOD! (5, Insightful)

fastest fascist (1086001) | more than 6 years ago | (#21849012)

But his whole thesis is that video games make people violent, and obviously he's pissed off a lot of said video gamers. How is he still alive?

Re:It's the gamers! The gamers and the DOD! (1)

skoaldipper (752281) | more than 6 years ago | (#21849166)

Inclination. Opportunity. One in absence of the other simply reflects your potential. However, both set together in locomotion speak to the man. Dahmer, Manson, Hitler. All had inclination. Opportunity just presented itself.

Re:It's the gamers! The gamers and the DOD! (1)

WhatAmIDoingHere (742870) | more than 6 years ago | (#21849532)

We like having our enemy being so insane not even the people who share his opinion (video games = bad) will listen to him. Killing him would only create a void where someone else (maybe even someone competent) would step up.

Re:It's the gamers! The gamers and the DOD! (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21849588)

They're still running around trying to locate the BFG first?

Re:It's the gamers! The gamers and the DOD! (1)

timeOday (582209) | more than 6 years ago | (#21849024)

I'm not sure what your point is? If you're saying the gaming companies don't take money from the military to make customized versions of their games for training, or that the military doesn't use games for recruiting, then you're wrong.

Re:It's the gamers! The gamers and the DOD! (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21849028)

You know something, Stuart? I like you. You're not like the other people, here in the trailer park.

Oh, sorry. I thought this was Digg for a second. My bad!

conflict of interest (2, Insightful)

xzvf (924443) | more than 6 years ago | (#21848796)

What will the extreme left wing, anti-war, anti-military establishment, conspiracy theory maniacs that are pro-pornography, pro-simulated violence in video games do? DoD using video games with subliminal messages to create new breed of professional military recruits and only Jack Thompson, evil video game critic to stand in the way. It's like being a Republican and realizing the only candidate that believes in what he's saying is Ron Paul. Guess the Democrats got that with Kusinich (sic). They both kind of remind me of Ross Perot, but I ramble....

Re:conflict of interest (1)

SnapShot (171582) | more than 6 years ago | (#21849482)

but I ramble...
Yes, you do.

Parsimony... (4, Insightful)

RyanFenton (230700) | more than 6 years ago | (#21848802)

Really, folks - which is a simpler explanation for these graphs:

Violent crime rate [usdoj.gov]

Video game sales [blognewschannel.com]

That (presumeably violent) video game use correlates with a massive secret drive towards violence, that is somehow counterbalanced in the overall violent crime rate, or that this (now) extremely common form of entertainment is at worst, on average, a similar factor in people's lives as movies or books?

True, the ever-shifting and politically influenced definition of violent crime may have shifted definition over the years too, but I highly doubt any theories on that line would be able to mask the accusations Thomson makes about the use of video games in society.

In order to match Thomson's account to reality in any way, you'd have to start making up any number of wild inventions to force the facts into place... kind of like what he's doing here.

Ryan Fenton

Re:Parsimony... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21848942)

Is the domestic violent crime rate down because all the violent video gamers have joined the military or Blackwater and shipped out overseas? ;)

Re:Parsimony... (1)

RyanFenton (230700) | more than 6 years ago | (#21848998)

Is the domestic violent crime rate down because all the violent video gamers have joined the military or Blackwater and shipped out overseas? ;)

If that were true, then Thomson's (insane) argument would have an interesting twist: Turning a majority of the potentially violent population into "professional killers" actually reduces the random incidence of violence, and makes for a more militarily secure nation. Instead of being a harm to society, this stupid theory would insist that video games focus violent intent towards (relatively) responsible outcomes.

Ryan Fenton

Re:Parsimony... (1)

Minwee (522556) | more than 6 years ago | (#21849534)

Actually, if you read the article [usdoj.gov] you will see that the violent crime rate is has been going down because they changed the way that they measure it.

Re:Parsimony... (1)

rhakka (224319) | more than 6 years ago | (#21849626)

Actually, if you read the article, you'd see they corrected the earlier data in the chart to be a more accurate comparison to the post-1993 methodology.

Re:Parsimony... (1)

Seumas (6865) | more than 6 years ago | (#21849442)

The military does try to recruit people by having them play military games (military-funded America's Army anyone?) - but to suggest that they are conspiring by making the extremely advanced military simulation software and consumer-grade FPS videogames intentionally similar for evil reasons is just stupid.

And while we're on it, if people only shoot up schools and snipe at passing cars because of violent videogames, then how do we explain decades of killing abortion doctors and murdering people for their race, sexual preference or being a witch? What videogames are responsible for parents locking their children in cages or chopping off their limbs with an axe or drowning them in the river, because god told them to?

There is a bit of collaboration and overlap involved in making military weapons and hunting weapons. That doesn't mean there's some evil collusion to turn quail hunters into special forces.

Thompson really reminds me of that annoying, ignorant attention-whore named Perry Aftab who runs around trying to convince everyone that your children are going to e raped if they come within fifty yards of a networked device. They're a bunch of fearmongering, attention-whoring leeches and I hope every one of them steps in front of a bus.

Decline in Violence may be linked to unleaded gas (2, Interesting)

spineboy (22918) | more than 6 years ago | (#21849460)

Small amounts of lead can stimulate people to behave in a more violent way. The majority of the decrease occurred in the early 1990's - roughly the age when when kids who were no longer exposed to leaded gas were in their teenage years. The vast majority of violent crimes are committed by men, aged from 13 to 40. So once the unexposed kids grew up, they diluted the violence pool so to speak, and have been lowering the rate ever since.

Re:Parsimony... (1)

DeadDecoy (877617) | more than 6 years ago | (#21849566)

But don't you see? That just means all the evil terrorists are busy training. Wait till they have to put down the controller for a Cheetoes binge, then they'll snap and all hell will break loose.

WTF? (1)

Doug52392 (1094585) | more than 6 years ago | (#21848828)

So he's saying that because I've played Call of Duty 4 and other high-profile FPSs this year, now I want to join the Army???? That's the last thing I would ever do! Unless he can prove that video games are hypnotizing America's youth to do this stuff, I DO NOT WANT TO HEAR IT. Guess Thompson is bored with himself, seeing as he ha NO BAR LICENSE!

Re:WTF? (1)

Skeetskeetskeet (906997) | more than 6 years ago | (#21848838)

I played the hot coffee mod, and now I want to be a porn star. Where do I sign up??

Re:WTF? (1)

Himring (646324) | more than 6 years ago | (#21848872)

No, he's saying that the military using video games to train in the act of killing people is very bad. He seems to miss the point that actually killing people after the training is sorta worse.

Why don't this protest real killing instead of fake killing? I'd have far more respect for him.

This just in: child sued by Thompson for holding up finger and going, "bang!"....

Re:WTF? (5, Funny)

0racle (667029) | more than 6 years ago | (#21849096)

Yvan eht nioj

Oh man (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21848840)

Jack Thompson Nihongo Kawaii Desu Ne????

Oh thank god... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21848854)

... Tycho and Gabe were running out of material. Thanks Jack!

So we've got old and false info? That it? (2, Interesting)

Steeltalon (734391) | more than 6 years ago | (#21848880)

Two points: First, War as glamorous and consequence free... Wow, I don't think that I ever heard about anything like that in movies that I've watched for my entire life and many of the books that I've read. Seriously, didn't this moron ever watch Patton? Secondly, correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought that the VT shooter was established to have not been a gamer. Granted, Fox News (never one to let the facts get in the way of their "reporting") opted to have him on right after the shooting, before any facts had been established, so that he could talk about how games were responsible for it. As I recall, however, the shooter's roommates said that they'd never seen him play any games. I really wish that the main stream media would out this guy publicly.

mmm (1)

ud plasmo (842308) | more than 6 years ago | (#21848906)

And thats why they invested into and created their own game.
Its called Americas Army. Pretty damn realistic as well if you ask me.
A very good tool to get new recruits :)

Not as good anymore (1)

LinDVD (986467) | more than 6 years ago | (#21849026)

Yeah, well America's Army used to run on Linux, thanks to Ryan Gordon (Icculus), but today it only runs on Microsoft Windows. To me, America's Army lost it's "that's cool" factor when they changed it to Microsoft Windows-only.

=\

Re:Not as good anymore (2, Funny)

ud plasmo (842308) | more than 6 years ago | (#21849090)

well they want to recruit young guns and mindless zombies
not geeks :P

Don't Give Him Publicity (3, Insightful)

Killer Eye (3711) | more than 6 years ago | (#21848938)

Jack Thompson is someone best ignored. I think it is better to stop making headlines every time he goes off his rocker, and let him not be heard, than to give him free publicity for his stunts.

Re:Don't Give Him Publicity (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21849240)

Agreed... I mean, since this is a greenlit story:

Jack Thompson Claiming Games Industry in Collusion with DoD

Why isn't this?

Crazy Guy Wearing Dirty Flowerpot On Head Claims Games Industry In Collusion with Fresh Produce, Especially Those Treacherous Kumquats- They Can Read Minds You Know!

Just askin'. He's in the alley singing to a cat right now, so I can get more details if you need them.

Re:Don't Give Him Publicity (1)

BotnetZombie (1174935) | more than 6 years ago | (#21849448)

Oh come on now, his speaking out is a chance for us to unite in our disgust for someone! Really, there's always at least some defending of Microsoft/MAFIAA/Bush, but none for Jack Thompson. In his defense, I actually can't think of anything except that his theories will be much appreciated in the loony farm :p

Re:Don't Give Him Publicity (1)

thewiz (24994) | more than 6 years ago | (#21849610)

...to give him free publicity for his stunts.

Free? Do you realize how many man-hours and bandwidth are consumed? Someone takes the time to post the story, someone else sends a link to Slashdot, then hoards of trolls spend countless hours responding to the story with posts about "Has he been disbarred yet?". Free? I think not!

WTF? (1)

Black Parrot (19622) | more than 6 years ago | (#21848948)

WTF is a "correlation" between the DoD and the game industry?

This guy must have a secretary, because he's obviously too stupid to type his own editorials.

The only news here is that anyone bothers to publish his rants.

Re:WTF? (1)

snl2587 (1177409) | more than 6 years ago | (#21848988)

WTF is a "correlation" between the DoD and the game industry?

As the game industry becomes increasingly refined, the DoD becomes more incompetant?

Joke intended, humorless mods...

teaching kids to kill (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21849042)

which is the only thing the creators unequivocally forbid, is not a good plan.

in the end (give or take a few 1000 years), the creators will prevail (world without end, etc...), as it has always been. the process of gaining yOUR release from the current hostage situation may not be what you might think it is. butt of course, most of US don't know, or care what a precarious/fatal situation we're in.

for example; the insidious attempts by the felonious corepirate nazi execrable to block the suns' light, interfering with a requirement (sunlight) for us to stay healthy/alive. it's likely not good for yOUR health/memories 'else they'd be bragging about it?

we're intending for the whoreabully deceptive (they'll do ANYTHING for a bit more monIE/power) felons to give up/fail even further, in attempting to control the 'weather', as well as a # of other things/events.

http://video.google.com/videosearch?hl=en&q=video+cloud+spraying [google.com]

dictator style micro management has never worked (for very long). it's an illness. tie that with life0cidal aggression & softwar gangster style bullying, & what do we have? a greed/fear/ego based recipe for disaster.

meanwhile, you can help to stop the bleeding (loss of life & limb);
http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/12/28/vermont.banning.bush.ap/index.html [cnn.com]

the bleeding must be stopped before any healing can begin. jailing a couple of corepirate nazi hired goons would send a clear message to the rest of the world from US.

any truthful look at the 'scorecard' would reveal that we are a society in decline/deep doo-doo, despite all of the scriptdead pr ?firm? generated drum beating & flag waving propaganda that we are constantly bombarded with. is it time to get real yet? please consider carefully ALL of yOUR other 'options'.

the creators will prevail. as it has always been.

corepirate nazi execrable costs outweigh benefits
(Score:-)mynuts won, the king is a fink)
by ourselves on everyday 24/7

as there are no benefits, just more&more death/debt & disruption. fortunately there's an 'army' of light bringers, coming yOUR way.

the little ones/innocents must/will be protected. after the big flash, ALL of yOUR imaginary 'borders' may blur a bit? for each of the creators' innocents harmed in any way, there is a debt that must/will be repaid by you/us, as the perpetrators/minions of unprecedented evile, will not be available.

'vote' with (what's left in) yOUR wallet, & by your behaviors. help bring an end to unprecedented evile's manifestation through yOUR owned felonious corepirate nazi glowbull warmongering execrable. some of US should consider ourselves somewhat fortunate to be among those scheduled to survive after the big flash/implementation of the creators' wwwildly popular planet/population rescue initiative/mandate. it's right in the manual, 'world without end', etc....

as we all ?know?, change is inevitable, & denying/ignoring gravity, logic, morality, etc..., is only possible, on a temporary basis. concern about the course of events that will occur should the life0cidal execrable fail to be intervened upon is in order.

'do not be dismayed' (also from the manual). however, it's ok/recommended, to not attempt to live under/accept, fauxking nazi felon greed/fear/ego based pr ?firm? scriptdead mindphuking hypenosys.

consult with/trust in yOUR creators. providing more than enough of everything for everyone (without any distracting/spiritdead personal gain motives), whilst badtolling unprecedented evile, using an unlimited supply of newclear power, since/until forever. see you there?

"If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land."

meanwhile, the life0cidal philistines continue on their path of death, debt, & disruption for most of US;

gov. bush denies health care for the little ones

http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/10/03/bush.veto/index.html [cnn.com]

whilst demanding/extorting billions to paint more targets on the bigger kids

http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/12/12/bush.war.funding/index.html [cnn.com]

& pretending that it isn't happening here

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article3086937.ece [timesonline.co.uk]

all is not lost/forgotten/forgiven

(yOUR elected) president al gore (deciding not to wait for the much anticipated 'lonesome al answers yOUR questions' interview here on /.) continues to attempt to shed some light on yOUR foibles;

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/environment/article304 [timesonline.co.uk]

Re:teaching kids to kill (1)

I'm just joshin (633449) | more than 6 years ago | (#21849148)

I'd like a "-1 WTF??" moderation choice right about now.

Re:teaching kids to kill (1)

FinchWorld (845331) | more than 6 years ago | (#21849322)

Wow, all thats missing is an attempt to sell me P3|\|15 3|\||_4R6/\/\3|\|7 pills and to notify me I'd won the Nigerian Lottery...

Re:teaching kids to kill (2, Funny)

CheechWizz (886957) | more than 6 years ago | (#21849560)

Jack?

Who Gives a Shit? (1)

Soporific (595477) | more than 6 years ago | (#21849068)

This guy makes wacky pronouncements over and over again which amount to nothing. Why publicize him even further? Slow news day?

~S

Madness? (2, Funny)

ichigo 2.0 (900288) | more than 6 years ago | (#21849102)

This. Is. JACK THOMPSON!

in need of a life (1)

phrostie (121428) | more than 6 years ago | (#21849170)

some people are in serious need of a real life,

and i'm not talking about the gamers.

Alliance? (1)

ScrewMaster (602015) | more than 6 years ago | (#21849196)

If there's an "unholy alliance" involved here, it's between Jack Thompson and Satan.

On the other hand, having such an obvious loon leading the charge against video games is probably a good thing. It's not hard for anyone to pick up on the fact that not all his dogs are barkin'. If the anti-violent-video-game crowd really want to have any chance of success, they should muzzle this idiot now before the rest of them get thoroughly discredited by association.

Why are we still talking about Jack Thompson? (2, Insightful)

SlappyBastard (961143) | more than 6 years ago | (#21849206)

Isn't there supposed to be a point where these people disappear from the conversation after their actions prove they're not relevant?

Re:Why are we still talking about Jack Thompson? (1)

ScrewMaster (602015) | more than 6 years ago | (#21849564)

You know, what conventional media needs is a moderation system, like Slashdot has. If that were the case, Jack Thompson would have been modded into the Underworld by now.

how funny (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21849270)

it's fantastic to see tons of slashdotters treat this man like a paranoid but just yesterday the same slashdotters were modding up posts that the battery ban in checked luggage was because of terrorism.
 
the same morons, i think. you guys are fundamentally no different than jack thompson, you're just from different sides of the same pathetic fence.
 
you all deserve to be ignored.

Re:how funny (1)

ScrewMaster (602015) | more than 6 years ago | (#21849586)

Huh? Nobody is questioning that Jack Thompson shouldn't have a right to his opinion, however misguided that may be. We simply object to his harassment of anyone that disagrees with him (much as we disagree with the TSA's harassment of, well, just about everyone.)

Its the Technoology Stupid (3, Informative)

Tiger4 (840741) | more than 6 years ago | (#21849286)

DOD makes extensive use of modeling and simulation. That is clearly no secret. The difference between commercial gaming and useful training simulations is the entertainment aspect, as the article states. Real Life, as we all know, is not Entertaining when it comes to Real Work. Actually carrying a weighted field pack, up and down hills, through brush, up stairs, wading streams, drop to the ground, run and roll for cover, etc. all take effort, and sweat, and physical coordination. See Kinesthetic learning [wikipedia.org] It might be exciting (especially when the other guy is shooting at you), fulfilling, and "fun" in an intellectual way, but not entertaining.

Most importantly, Video games don't do that with any accuracy at all. They can show you what it looks like, they can help you learn the approximate timing, they can maybe remind you to keep looking around for more bad guys and not just focus on the one in front of you. But that is all. At best it shortens the training time needed in the real world training course, much like a football coach has a "chalk talk" in a classroom before you suit up and take the field. Worse, too much application of simulation can induce negative training, in short, teaching them to do the wrong thing in order to win the game.

As for the Industry taking cues from the DOD, I wish they would. For starters the Physics models used in gaming are a joke and have been for years. If police and soldiers and criminals in real life could run like they do in games, shootouts would look like the Superhero Olympics. Every car chase would be the Indy 500 Cross Country Demolition Derby. If the aliens ever show up, they'd have good reason to want humans stomped out, we'd be too dammed dangerous! No, Game designers might get ideas from military scenarios (Call to Duty 1 - N anyone?), but they aren't using real situations. And if anyone could even vaguely show the FPS games were imprinting "Go Army" on any brains, major heads would roll. The fact the school shooters were using the games just shows how "out of it" they were. They didn't know the games weren't useful or accurate for training, so they used them, which somehow means the games were responsible after all.

Thompson is just taking out some ire on innocent bystanders for doing something he already hates. Yet another example of a political control freak.

Jack's a bit slow (3, Funny)

Quila (201335) | more than 6 years ago | (#21849292)

It apparently took him years to realize that America's Army is out.

Wait (3, Interesting)

MerrickStar (981213) | more than 6 years ago | (#21849314)

If he's speaking out against the Department of Defense, a branch of the government, doesn't that mean he's in league with the terrorists?

Could it be, that one of the most complained about things on /. could take care of an other?

The Patriot Act gets Thompson tossed in Guantanamo for an unspecified period, then there's one less problem to worry about.

Probably too good to be true, but we could dream.

Collusion? (1)

uxbn_kuribo (1146975) | more than 6 years ago | (#21849372)

I don't think that Jack Thompson's problem is that there's collusion between the DoD and the gaming industry. I think the problem is that there's DELUSION between Jack Thompson and reality. Being insane can be quite a hard pill to swallow. (in before Jack Thompson sues me for calling him a crazy person)

Enough with Jack Thompson, already (2, Insightful)

zhrike (448699) | more than 6 years ago | (#21849410)

The guy is an absolute nut case, and is totally irrelevant. He is about to be disbarred, has made numerous clearly paranoid statements in the past, why the hell does his ridiculous ranting gain credence by being submitted to /. time and time again?

The next time someone submits a Jack Thompson story, please make the headline the following: Jack Thompson Bleats Again.

And the body of the text can be: Jack Thompson, well-known corrupt and insanely-paranoid former lawyer, makes another outrageous statement.

Crazy lawsuits... (1)

glindsey (73730) | more than 6 years ago | (#21849488)

How long before Jack Thompson is sharing a cell with Jonathan Lee Riches [justia.com] ?

Maybe Riches can sue him for trademark infringement.

Short and sweet (1)

killmenow (184444) | more than 6 years ago | (#21849524)

Jack Thompson:Deep End :: Quick Brown Fox:Lazy Dog

Collusion? (1)

CokeJunky (51666) | more than 6 years ago | (#21849570)

Try competition -- seems to me the DOD is writing their own games in competition with commercial manufacturers.

What a nut.

Waste of Air (and Air Time) (1)

Kurt Wall (677000) | more than 6 years ago | (#21849756)

Jack is breathing air that could be used by someone more deserving. Gawd, I just wasted five minutes of my life reading more of Jack's delusions. But, like a traffic accident on the freeway that you can't not slow down to gawk at, I couldn't resist the urge to see this head case's new, improved, extra-strength paranoid hallucination.

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