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FIRST TROUT! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21867924)

Happy new year, I am a fish!

opengl console (4, Interesting)

rucs_hack (784150) | more than 6 years ago | (#21867962)

That's what I'd like, a version of bash implemented in opengl, so I can make the console apps I write look funky.

Not perhaps the highest priority of the FOSS world, but sometimes you just gotta go with 'it`d be fun'.

Re:opengl console (1)

ByOhTek (1181381) | more than 6 years ago | (#21868172)

What would you get from OpenGLing bash?

You could render the terminal on OpenGL, but that would affect any program run on the terminal, not just bash.

Well... (4, Funny)

Junta (36770) | more than 6 years ago | (#21868266)

bash *could* support opening an OpenGL screen to display a 3D model paper clip to help you enter commands...

Re:Well... (3, Funny)

ByOhTek (1181381) | more than 6 years ago | (#21868306)

*shudder*
If it ever does that, I'm going to tcsh.

I'm going to have nightmares you

jerk insensitive clod.

Re:Well... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21868410)

hah! well I don't even NEED a monitor to use my terminal. I don't use X I just sense the electromagnetic field variations in the video buffer with my Geek Sense. So there. My user interface is more arcane than yours! I win! OpenGL indeed.

Re:Well... (1)

ByOhTek (1181381) | more than 6 years ago | (#21868498)

if not wanting an obnoxious paperclip to help me out with bash is arcane...

then I'm proud to like arcane things.

Re:Well... (3, Funny)

jacquesm (154384) | more than 6 years ago | (#21868404)

I'm bookmarking this thread just in case it ever happen.

Re:Well... (1)

morgan_greywolf (835522) | more than 6 years ago | (#21869018)

At this point, I'd like to announce my new project -- ClippyBashGL! You type 'ls' and the 3D rendered paperclip says things like "It looks like you are trying to get a directory listing! Would you like help with that?" In the newest CVS, when you type 'rm -rf', the paperclip says "You are trying to delete a lot stuff! Continue or Allow?" and so on.

 

Re:opengl console (1)

427_ci_505 (1009677) | more than 6 years ago | (#21869358)

What would you get from OpenGLing bash?

3D Databases ala Hackers :P

Re:opengl console (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21868180)

i like your idea except for one thing.......
many years down the road, it may in fact become the technology i laugh at in movies. what am i talking about? example. the movie 'hackers'.
why is it, in scenes of movies with someone hacking there are all these mutlicolored words WOOSHING towards the screen with sound and all these pretty colors and fake OS's. im sure as most of us know hacking doesnt look particularly fun to the outsider.

i know of one and a half exceptions to this particular type of falsified hacking scene in movies.

in one of the matrix sequels trinity goes to disable some power station, and if you look closely shes actually nmaping a box. that i thought was kinda cool.

the 'half' example is antitrust. there is one point where the kid is actually using nix, but the commands he used and the behavior of the console are all exaggerated

id like to see standardization really take off for nix os's. there is not any one single distro that could toppple MS's os. but, if every distro was more integrated and standardized to the everyday person unix and linux would dominate the market.

if a random computer user goes to the store they want to be able to buy a cd that is going to work out of the box with their computer, they dont want to worry about apt-getting, ./sysinstalling, cvsuping ports trees, compiling a custom kernel that should have already had support for _____ out of the box (and ill point fingers here, i thought it was the most retarded thing in the world when i went to use a fellow sysadmins fedora box to image a windows drive and come to find out fedora doesnt have ntfs support by default. you have to install ntfs3. come the fuck on. what is ntfs support in the kernel? 200k at tops? fucking retarded.)

but standardization has to start somewhere, and as long as we keep creating apps and OS's that are inherently coded not to play along with one another, we will never see this unification except when it comes in the form we dont want it as. TCPA and a new network stack ala MS to secure the internet from terrorism.

Re:opengl console (1)

stratjakt (596332) | more than 6 years ago | (#21868532)

To be more serious, a good object-based scripting language, like msft's monad/powershell, would be great.

Bashesque text-based processing has its place, and has had it's time, but working with objects is fun and easy.

Re:opengl console (1)

poopdeville (841677) | more than 6 years ago | (#21868790)

Ruby? Python? SmallTalk?

Re:opengl console (1)

pionzypher (886253) | more than 6 years ago | (#21868726)

On that general topic... I'd like a decent visualization for xmms. ProjectM would be promising if it ever worked. Again, not high priority... but it's something I'd like for parties and it would be one less things my friends goad me about for using linux.

Though I suppose things are well if I'm complaining about visualization plugins. :P

Amarok? (1, Interesting)

SanityInAnarchy (655584) | more than 6 years ago | (#21869244)

There are other players than xmms...

Though I suppose when you have 3D, spinning spectrum analyzers, things are looking pretty good.

Re:opengl console (1)

Curtman (556920) | more than 6 years ago | (#21869272)

I'd like a decent visualization for xmms.

People still use XMMS? I thought most people moved on to Amarok/Rhythmbox years ago.

Re:opengl console (2, Interesting)

caluml (551744) | more than 6 years ago | (#21869372)

Yeah, Amarok, sure. If I need a quick little app to listen to streaming audio at work, of course I want to install some all-singing, all-dancing thing that pulls in Postgres, Ruby, etc.

$ ldd /usr/bin/amarokapp | wc -l
69
No, XMMS did fine. And now I'm using Audacious, although it doesn't do some things as well as XMMS did. Amarok, while great isn't even in the same section as XMMS.

Re:opengl console (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21869298)

How about a terminal emulator with escape codes for OpenGL. Then you could use it from bash or from any scripting language. You could even display 3-D images with cat.

Just a thought...

2008 (-1, Redundant)

wwmedia (950346) | more than 6 years ago | (#21867970)

year of the linux desktop?

Re:2008 (1, Interesting)

sm62704 (957197) | more than 6 years ago | (#21868418)

No, 2008: Year of the crystal balls. Or was that 2007? Come on, guys, I don't get it. Yes, there are the religious here but it seems the vast majority are either atyhiest or agnostic.

So why are so many of these crystal gazing, horiscope reading, entrail of toad prognostications showing up on slashdot?

Well, to quote the much maligned Christian Bible (2 Peter chapter 2): [holy-bible.us]

But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.

And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of.

And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not.

And to quote myself (Happy nude year!): [slashdot.org]

OK, it's that time of year again. The time of year when everyone and their dog waxes nostalgic about all the shit nobody cares about from the year past, and stupidly predicts the next year in the grim knowlege that when the next New Year comes along nobody will remember that the dumbass predicted a bunch of foolish shit that turned out to be complete and utter balderdash.

I might as well, too.

And to quote myself again: "The future is now. The future is bunk." [slashdot.org]

I often see articles at slashdot about The Future of [X} and I invariably ask in a comment "where do I go to get my PhD in Futurism?" The fact, of course, is that nobody holds a PhD in futurism. Futurism is no more real than astrology, Tarot, or divining tea leaves. I've been listening to these guys all my fifty five year long life and haven't once heard a single prediction pan out.

While we're doing this, a letter from prison [slashdot.org] rings in the new year.

Here's hoping 2008 sees you healthy and happy, and that Linda gets out of prison. I miss her.

-mcgrew

Proves my point (-1, Troll)

sm62704 (957197) | more than 6 years ago | (#21868558)

"Score 0, troll"

Mention religion in a positive way and you're a troll. The mods fear the furure, I see. Did I say anything negative about anyone? No, I did not. Is there anything trolling about that comment? No, there is not. Just a quote from a BOOK that you despise.

Now mod this one down as well, at least it will be deserved since it is, in fact, offtopic.

Re:Proves my point (2, Funny)

starsky51 (959750) | more than 6 years ago | (#21868688)

+1 Martyr

Re:Proves my point (1)

sm62704 (957197) | more than 6 years ago | (#21868974)

Naw, just annoyed nerd. A real martyr would be bleeding and in pain, not just annoyed. I'm not bothered by any lack of karma, mine's excellent and remains there. Few days go by that I don't have several "interesting" or "informative" or whatnot (even though I usually go for the karma-free "funny".).

Any time you mention religion at slashdot you're likely to be modded straight to moderation hell. Maybe they thought the linked journals are tolls? Maybe I just don't get it, I live in a strange town, halfway between St Louis and Chicago, where half the baseball fans cheer the Cardinals and the other half cheer the Cubs (nobody cheers the White Sox. Nobody but Alan anyway). In Springfield's bars you can talk about sex, religion, politics, without fear of altercation but talk baseball and you're likely to be in deep shit with somebody.

Someone's sig here says there is no "-1 I don't agree with you and troll, flamebait and offtopic are not valid substitutes." I couldn't agree more with the fellow.

Someone (or a lot of someones maybe) has mod points that should not be moderating. Some AC (not me, I don't post AC. Even if I'm not logged in I'll add my name to the post) got modded "offtopic" in the Mars thread probably because he had the utter gall to beat someone to "first post". And the guy's comment was not only on topic, but interesting and informative.

I wish that mods had modders' names attached. It's pretty cowardly to attack someone anonymously as todays mods are doing. probably some Microsoft lawyers with mod points. Or SCO lawyers. If they're not the same guys...

(remembers to check "no karma bonus" box as this comment really is offtopic)

Re:Proves my point (4, Informative)

pionzypher (886253) | more than 6 years ago | (#21868854)

You probably got modded because it was a crazy ass sounding rant against trying to predict tech trends by using religion. You then followed up with a bunch of offtopic tripe.

Tech website speculating about the future of FOSS in the next year.... yeah... it happens. That's great that no one will remember who predicted what. That's not the point of the exercise. The point is to discuss it NOW for the heck of it. It most likely has nothing to do with hating religion.

My hope for 2008 in FOSS (4, Funny)

Enlarged to Show Tex (911413) | more than 6 years ago | (#21867988)

A Linux port of Duke Nukem Forever, now that we finally know it isn't just vaporware...

Re:My hope for 2008 in FOSS (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21868042)

Do you still believe in Santa Claus too?

More Linux games! :( (2, Insightful)

Spy der Mann (805235) | more than 6 years ago | (#21868208)

Actually, I'm hoping for Linux ports of ANY commercial games. I've mailed a few game distributors asking why don't they include Linux versions of their games. The same answer: Not enough market share (and how do you expect the market share if the game publishers don't make Linux games? HMPH!)

Why do they keep selling themselves to DirectX instead of OpenGL? GRRRR!

Re:More Linux games! :( (1)

nomadic (141991) | more than 6 years ago | (#21868450)

(and how do you expect the market share if the game publishers don't make Linux games? HMPH!)

Loki tried it, and failed miserably. There really isn't that much demand out there.

Re:More Linux games! :( (0, Redundant)

plague3106 (71849) | more than 6 years ago | (#21868568)

You have the answer; not enough market share. Why should they spend money to help increase market share of an OS? Especially since its not clear making a Linux port would even have that effect.

Re:More Linux games! :( (1)

utnapistim (931738) | more than 6 years ago | (#21868714)

A Linux port of Duke Nukem Forever, now that we finally know it isn't just vaporware...
Actually, I'm hoping for Linux ports of ANY commercial games. I've mailed a few game distributors asking why don't they include Linux versions of their games. The same answer: Not enough market share (and how do you expect the market share if the game publishers don't make Linux games? HMPH!)

Don't worry! All popular games will have a Linux version, right after DNF for Linux appears!

I mean ... once they see DNF on Linux, they are bound to port their own products (so, expect them right after DNF!)

Won't happen (2, Funny)

einhverfr (238914) | more than 6 years ago | (#21868722)

They want to port to HURD first.

I also understand that some of the more recent portions are written in Perl 6.....

Free Beer (5, Funny)

IceCreamGuy (904648) | more than 6 years ago | (#21867992)

I've been hearing about this "free beer" with FOSS for years... maybe in 2008 we'll finally get some?

Re:Free Beer (1)

sumdumass (711423) | more than 6 years ago | (#21868390)

Actually, "Free Beer" is the name of the band that makes the sounds when opening and compiling programs. You've had it all along and didn't know it..

Re:Free Beer (1)

Wonko the Sane (25252) | more than 6 years ago | (#21868420)

I've never understood the appeal of beer. If FOSS started coming with beer then I'd switch back to microsoft.

Re:Free Beer (5, Funny)

LiquidCoooled (634315) | more than 6 years ago | (#21868464)

You don't have to drink beer with your OSS, I've heard Wine works really well with Microsoft cheese :)

Re:Free Beer (1)

maclizard (1029814) | more than 6 years ago | (#21868712)

so what, are you too good for beer? because if you are, Microsoft [nwsource.com] might not be the best choice...

Re:Free Beer (1)

Reality Master 101 (179095) | more than 6 years ago | (#21868746)

I've never understood the appeal of beer. If FOSS started coming with beer then I'd switch back to microsoft.

I agree with you. Beer is totally disgusting. I have no idea why there is such widespread popularity. The only thing I can figure is that most people have a desensitized "bitter taste sense" and they just don't know that it tastes really bad. :)

Re:Free Beer (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21868896)

No, my sense of bitterness is not desensitized. It has become more refined as I've tasted new and more bitter India Pale Ales. There are lots of kinds of sharp tastes, and while some are unpleasant, some are delicious. My favorite beer, Stone Brewery's Arrogant Bastard, has a strong taste of grapefruit. Stone's IPA has a strong taste of flowers.

To each his own though.

Re:Free Beer (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21869336)

I've never understood the appeal of beer. If FOSS started coming with beer then I'd switch back to microsoft.
Some beer is decent (Sam Adams), but other beer is downright vomit inducing (Budweiser, Busch, Miller, etc). Personally, when I drink it's either rum, rum with coke, a mojito (rum, carbonated water, sugar, lemon juice, mint leaves), or Mike's hard lemonade/lime.

Still, I don't like the way alcohol makes me feel. I'd rather have free weed...

--
Occifer, I'm not as think as you stoned I am.

heh, half mentioned in the summary (2, Interesting)

ByOhTek (1181381) | more than 6 years ago | (#21867998)

KDE4 is half of what I want.

The other half is FreeBSD 7. Given it is on RC1 now, it'll be there in Feb is my guess.

Re:heh, half mentioned in the summary (1)

Junta (36770) | more than 6 years ago | (#21868192)

http://www.freebsd.org/releases/7.0R/schedule.html [freebsd.org]

Of course, the 6.3 release seems to be behind schedule, but they haven't officially missed any 7.0 release milestones yet and the schedule puts it at mid January.

Re:heh, half mentioned in the summary (2, Interesting)

ByOhTek (1181381) | more than 6 years ago | (#21868264)

actually, that site has been excessively modified.

it was originally supposed to have the final build on Dec 12. In the new schedule, RC1 was Dec. 12 and it wasn't built until last friday morning (Dec 28), RC2 was Dec 26, and not out yet. Beta4 (not listed on the page) was, I believe, second week in Dec, and not Nov 28.

It's perpetually late. But perpetually late is better than badly bugged.

3d desktops? (0, Troll)

s4m7 (519684) | more than 6 years ago | (#21868000)

who put 3d desktops on the list? what a waste of cpu time.

Correction... (3, Insightful)

Junta (36770) | more than 6 years ago | (#21868086)

Mostly, a waste of GPU time. But seriously, the expose-ripoff with window title search that compiz has is highly productive when you open lots of windows. Other stuff, pretty much eye candy to me, but I admit I don't try every thing or understand functional benefits some features I relegated to eye candy. There are ways to make use of rendering live to GL manipulated textures that I'm sure will increase (Vista I didn't see make functional use of it, OSX did better, and with all the many different directions people are taking 3D effects in compiz and other projects in the open-source world, some interesting stuff is probably yet to come.

Re:Correction... (1)

baadger (764884) | more than 6 years ago | (#21868886)

Mostly, a waste of GPU time

In my experience all the current "3D"*/"accelerated" desktop environment enhancements (atleast available on the Linux platform) require more CPU time as well.

* Why the hell do people call them this when they are not even rendered to give the user a 3D perspective?

Re:Correction... (1)

PitaBred (632671) | more than 6 years ago | (#21869278)

Looking straight-on isn't a 3D perspective? Or do you really want to try using a 2D input device to dick with an isometric desktop view? Whoop-de-doo, you have a 3D-ish view into what is still a 2D interface. Unless the input devices change to make 3d navigation easier) and the displays change to display real 3D rather than a window to 3D, what we have now is about as efficient as you get.

Re:Correction... (1)

aj50 (789101) | more than 6 years ago | (#21869290)

Why the hell do people call them this when they are not even rendered to give the user a 3D perspective?

Possibly because they make use of a GPU, most commonly associated with 3D graphics, because of the cube plugin for compiz (which obviously *is* 3d) or because 3D has this cool sound which people tend to remember.

Re:3d desktops? (1)

pandrijeczko (588093) | more than 6 years ago | (#21868184)

If they use the wasted GPU cycles on my graphics card then good luck to them, just leave my main CPU alone.

But I do see absolutely no value in 3D desktops - much rather a relatively fast and slick 2d window manager with virtual desktops.

Re:3d desktops? (2, Informative)

mhall119 (1035984) | more than 6 years ago | (#21868402)

Most Linux 3D desktops actually relieve your CPU of some work. In a non-accelerated desktop your CPU is responsible for all of X's calculations. Composited window managers shift some of that burden to your GPU, which is better at that kind of thing anyway. I see no performance penalty from running Compiz on my box, and the window manager is actually _more_ responsive than metacity, especially during CPU intensive processes. And I only have a GeForce3, the bare minimum according to Compiz's specs (though I've also run it on a GeForce2, there were some issues with drop-shadows).

Re:3d desktops? (3, Insightful)

vertinox (846076) | more than 6 years ago | (#21868408)

who put 3d desktops on the list? what a waste of cpu time.

I think the idea was offload the desktop onto the GPU (who wouldn't be doing anything anyways until a game is loaded), which in theory would free up more CPU cycles for the regular old processor.

Secondly, you can supposedly get better vector graphics and quicker response with a 3d engine for a desktop. The best example of this is of course not Linux for the Nintendo DS. Most 2d looking games for it are actually using a 3d engine because its easier to code for and less intensive on the CPU.

That and it looks just as good at any resolution and screen DPI. It wasn't as big of an issue, but if you have a 30" monitor with an unreasonably high resolution and try to increase the size of your icons on a 2d desktop that doesn't use vectoring... You will notice how pixelated everything looks.

Had to be said (5, Insightful)

MztrBlack (35164) | more than 6 years ago | (#21868008)

I'm thinking many would not consider DRM in FOSS to be a boon of any sort...

HURD (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21868018)

GNU/HURD

Re:HURD (3, Funny)

Albert Sandberg (315235) | more than 6 years ago | (#21868324)

I can't decide if this is funny or what so I don't wanna mod it, and since you're anonymous anyway I'll just assume it's RMS posting ;)

I KNOW I KNOW! (1, Flamebait)

ILuvRamen (1026668) | more than 6 years ago | (#21868036)

I wanna see Linux turn into "the platform" for AI. I read something about it already becoming that so that'd be sweet. Right now you all know the famous categories. Windows is for business and other dumb stuff. Macs are apparently the thing to get for video and graphics work though I strongly disagree. And Linux is gonna be for anything with AI! Cuz AI programmers (and their programs) are smart enough to know that paying for an OS is stupid when you don't have to and you can't change much about the OS after you install it. And you don't need your AI creation freezing up while the OS makes a system restore point or crashing randomly (OS X and Windows). And in 2009 I hope a giant pengiun robot attacks Microsoft headquarters.

Re:I KNOW I KNOW! (5, Funny)

peragrin (659227) | more than 6 years ago | (#21868106)

>>And in 2009 I hope a giant pengiun robot attacks Microsoft headquarters.

Quick someone call the japanese. They can build it. It would be awesome even if it didn't have any weapons. Just walking around the MSFt campus would be great for laughs.

Re:I KNOW I KNOW! (4, Insightful)

corychristison (951993) | more than 6 years ago | (#21868400)

I wanna see Linux turn into "the platform" for AI. I read something about it already becoming that so that'd be sweet. Right now you all know the famous categories.
Alright. I'm still with you.

Windows is for business and other dumb stuff.
Business: I personally disagree as I've been using Linux for all of my business needs since 2002... but then again that is just me. I am going to assume that the 'other dumb stuff' is video games and malware. I agree on that note... although there are some fun games for Linux available.

Macs are apparently the thing to get for video and graphics work though I strongly disagree.
Yeah... Mac's have their place and they seem to be more media oriented. A good friend of mine is just finishing his last year in school for Video Production and Design (4 year program), so far he has yet to use a Mac. So I agree with you on this point.

And Linux is gonna be for anything with AI! Cuz AI programmers (and their programs) are smart enough to know that paying for an OS is stupid when you don't have to and you can't change much about the OS after you install it. And you don't need your AI creation freezing up while the OS makes a system restore point or crashing randomly (OS X and Windows).
I like to see Linux as an open platform for *any* use. I, personally, use it for everything. From my laptop, to my home PC, to my media center to my embedded linux system in my car.

And in 2009 I hope a giant pengiun robot attacks Microsoft headquarters.
This kind of bothers me, really. Yes, we all know Microsoft is "evil". I've heard it too many times to count. I do not, however, advocate the idea of physically destroying the company. In a sense, we need Microsoft for MANY reasons. Their OS sucks, yes, but the mass amounts of people who use it still don't understand it and manage to break it's brain-dead design. This creates a HUGE market for people to fix these systems and networks. I've been doing it for quite some time (on the side, of course) and sometimes that money is nice. How do you think I was able to afford my media center? My laptop? etc. etc.

I'm not trying to say we should necessarily support a company that has a lot of bad practices, but they create a huge market for us to make money. When they release a new OS, they beef up the minimum requirements for it and in turn brings prices of last gen products down in price for us to use.

... yup. :-)

Re:I KNOW I KNOW! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21868944)

In a sense, we need Microsoft for MANY reasons. Their OS sucks, yes, but the mass amounts of people who use it still don't understand it and manage to break it's brain-dead design. This creates a HUGE market for people to fix these systems and networks. I've been doing it for quite some time (on the side, of course) and sometimes that money is nice. How do you think I was able to afford my media center? My laptop? etc. etc.

I'm not trying to say we should necessarily support a company that has a lot of bad practices, but they create a huge market for us to make money. When they release a new OS, they beef up the minimum requirements for it and in turn brings prices of last gen products down in price for us to use.

I knew it! Now, when finally we are on the brink of victory with advantage of giant robot penguin on our side, you are getting second thoughts, cold feet, etc., because you just selfishly want to let the booty tree grow up again! Just like with cops and criminals. They COULD eradicate crime, but NOOO,they don't want to deprecate themselves too.

Re:I KNOW I KNOW! (5, Insightful)

Wonko the Sane (25252) | more than 6 years ago | (#21868634)

There is no reason that AI shouldn't be integrated into the OS, but "invisibly". Here's an example:

Joe User gets a lot of email. He tends to be organized, so he likes to sort his mail into different folders. He could use procmail or his client's filtering capabilities, but why should he have to? OSS has good solutions to the text classifying problem [sourceforge.net]

If only the email client (or imap server) paid attention, he's already supplying all the input necessary for a text classifier to sort all his mail for him without any additional action on his part.

When Joe (manually) moves an email from his inbox to a new folder, this is a training event.
If Joe notices that an email is in an incorrect folder and moves it (manually) to the right one, this is a retraining event.

This concept could be expanded to other applications: how about a window manager that remembers where you tend to arrange your applications and starts putting them in the right place to begin with? The ability do manually set placement rules like with KDE doesn't count. That's just a workaround for not using the information the user is already providing.

Re:I KNOW I KNOW! (1)

ByOhTek (1181381) | more than 6 years ago | (#21868708)

You don't have to brush your teeth or shower, that would save you cost on water, soap, and toothpaste, it doesn't make brushing your teeth and showering stupid.

Make a choice simply on financial cost is stupid. Performance, stability, functionality, usability, etc. All play a part. And before you say 'Linux is better', for all of these, I've not seen a major improvment with Linux over Windows in any of these categories, except if you have crappy hardware, Linux tends to be more stable. Malware is an issue, but a little paranoia has kept me malware free for a long time with very little effort.

Clueless (1)

abigor (540274) | more than 6 years ago | (#21868044)

"Then we'll see if Java can become a major challenger to .NET and Mono."

Huh?

Re:Clueless (1)

Alphager (957739) | more than 6 years ago | (#21868240)

"Then we'll see if Java can become a major challenger to .NET and Mono."

Huh?
Java 6 will be released under the GPL.

Re:Clueless (2, Interesting)

abigor (540274) | more than 6 years ago | (#21868298)

Yeah, I know. My quote refers to the "major challenger" part. There's infinitely more (well, not really, but close) Java deployed on enterprise Linux servers than .Net/Mono, free or not. I'm not sure what the "challenge" is. Obviously, a GPL'd Java is a good thing, but how that will help Java meet this "challenge" that doesn't exist mystifies me.

Re:Clueless (1)

plague3106 (71849) | more than 6 years ago | (#21868638)

.Net has been growing very quickly, and the latest version of the framework will likely accelerate that. Linq is really a great feature, as are some of the other stuff you can do with .net (wpf, wcf, wf, etc).

Re:Clueless (1)

AKAImBatman (238306) | more than 6 years ago | (#21868352)

In that context, I think the author meant that we'll see Java-derived OpenJava become a competitor to .NET-derived Mono. Which is kind of silly anyway, as they would only be competing over the mindshare of the OSS community. Both are likely to be included in future Linux distributions, though OpenJava will have the mild advantage of running all Java software out of the box. Mono is still struggling to be fully compatible with its parent platform. (Not that full compatibility was ever really the goal.)

Still, the exact turn of phrase was rather amusing. :-)

Truly 2007^H8 is the year of Linux on the desktop (1)

Mr_eX9 (800448) | more than 6 years ago | (#21868130)

and I for one welcome our new FOSS overlords.

More linux-based home entertainment devices (1)

willbry (1209876) | more than 6 years ago | (#21868174)

I hope to see more home entertainment devices driven by linux, especially in the world of digital television as analog is phased out. For instance, right now I'm receiving free over-the-air digital television by using a linux-based digital-to-analog conversion box from the now defunct US Digital. I'm keeping a close watch as Feb. 2008 approaches to see what develops on my blog - http://williambryson.blogspot.com/ [blogspot.com] .

Re:More linux-based home entertainment devices (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21868706)

The Pioneer plasma HDTVs are driven by Linux. You can even download the kernel source from their site too.

Re:More linux-based home entertainment devices (1)

msuarezalvarez (667058) | more than 6 years ago | (#21868900)

The Pioneer plasma HDTVs are driven by Linux. You can even download the kernel source from their site too.

``even''? They are under the obligation to do so!

2008: The year of the Linux desktop! (4, Funny)

goldspider (445116) | more than 6 years ago | (#21868196)

I really REALLY mean it this time!

Re:2008: The year of the Linux desktop! (1)

RAMMS+EIN (578166) | more than 6 years ago | (#21869254)

While I feel you may be right, has anyone considered that 2008 may be the year of Linux [openmoko.com] on the mobile [openhandsetalliance.com] ?

Virtualization (1)

angryfirelord (1082111) | more than 6 years ago | (#21868204)

Or that virtualization, which was such a hot topic in 2006, would have settled down to just another technology?

I disagree, in fact I'm seeing more interest in the topic. I've poked around on various forums and there are quite a few number of people who see Virtualization as a good alternative to dual-booting (unless you have to play 3D games). The latest edition of VirtualBox runs quite nicely (on my Sempron 3400+ and 1GB RAM) and is easy to set up. I recommend it to anyone who's interested.

What boons for FOSS are you looking forward to...? (5, Insightful)

iminplaya (723125) | more than 6 years ago | (#21868210)

The end of the tyranny of copyright law. Only then will there be true progress. Otherwise, this and everything else will be buried under the dog pile of licensing, which has already begun.

Re:What boons for FOSS are you looking forward to. (1)

abigor (540274) | more than 6 years ago | (#21868358)

Or rather, a beginning to the reformation of copyright law, as copyright is necessary. The GPL is a copyright license, for example. Or let's say I wrote a novel - I would be pissed to see it on sale as with my name crossed out and "iminplaya" pencilled in instead.

Re:What boons for FOSS are you looking forward to. (2, Insightful)

iminplaya (723125) | more than 6 years ago | (#21868442)

That would be plagiarism, something else entirely. Copyright is about distribution, not about who created what. GPL is only necessary due to the existence of copyright law, as pointed many times by many others. Slavery is still slavery. It cannot be "reformed". It must be abolished. And remember to throw some royalties into the RIAA kitty if you plan on singing Aud Lang Syne tonight.

Re:What boons for FOSS are you looking forward to. (1)

abigor (540274) | more than 6 years ago | (#21868508)

Okay, so you'd feel okay about printing 100,000 copies of my novel and selling them and not giving me anything for them? That seems silly.

How is the existence of the GPL only necessary because of copyright? I don't get it. If I write some code and I want it to stay open, because it is attributable to me, I use the GPL. How would abolishing copyright keep my code open? Am I missing something obvious here?

Re:What boons for FOSS are you looking forward to. (1)

iminplaya (723125) | more than 6 years ago | (#21869120)

Who said anything about selling them? I'm only talking about the exclusivity of distribution. Without that sales is not an issue. You will make money when somebody asks you to produce more of what they like. That's how it works for me, and most everybody else.

GPL? Public domain will insure it stays open and distributable. That doesn't stop you from attaching your name as the creator. In that manner copyright can be useful as a registrar of such things. GPL was created to prevent "normal" copyright from closing it and possibly prevent you from using your own creation. That is something that the present system allows if the other guy files first. Listen, there are many people who say it more eloquently than I can. Feel free to look them up.

Re:What boons for FOSS are you looking forward to. (1)

westlake (615356) | more than 6 years ago | (#21869206)

The end of the tyranny of copyright law.

Too often the tyranny of copyright law means simply that the Geek can't safely download a screener of a movie that won't see theatrical release for six weeks.

Meaningless headlines (and articles) (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21868216)

What a great article on what 2008 MAY NOT hold for FOSS.

Keep those meaningless headlines coming for the new year.

How are these predictions? (1)

Zukix (641813) | more than 6 years ago | (#21868232)

In what way are these predictions?

The article lists known points of debate or unfinished business from this year. Its the equivalent of a persistence weather forecast i.e. tomorrow will be the same as today.

Might as well have stuck 'a year in review' as the title instead.

Samba 4 (2, Interesting)

div_2n (525075) | more than 6 years ago | (#21868276)

And while I'm at it, hopefully improved compatibility due to the Samba team finally getting the proper documentation from Microsoft.

How about fixing what we have now? (4, Interesting)

rueger (210566) | more than 6 years ago | (#21868278)

I'm among those who would be happy if existing apps could get fixed, Firefox being the prime example. On my G4 Mac every new realease of FF brings more crashes, more memory leaks, and generally more sluggish performance. I finally abandoned it last month for Opera, which I am liking very much.

When most Open Source apps were small, simple and fast I could tolerate the inevitable bugs, and assume that they would be fixed up in the next release. Now it feels like everyone is working to add more and more features and "widgets," but no-one is worrying about overall stability and reliability.

Re:How about fixing what we have now? (1)

realdodgeman (1113225) | more than 6 years ago | (#21868434)

It's called Firefox 3 and it will be here soon. The beta is much better than FF2 already.

Re:How about fixing what we have now? (1)

GospelHead821 (466923) | more than 6 years ago | (#21868742)

Agreed. I seem to recall that at one time, Firefox was spun off of the larger Mozilla project to preserve the small, feature-light, responsive browser. Now, it seems like another spin-off is necessary to get back to that dream.

Re:How about fixing what we have now? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21869104)

Now it feels like everyone is working to add more and more features and "widgets," but no-one is worrying about overall stability and reliability.

Yep, that single example of firefox development on a g4 mac says quite a lot about the entire range of open source software. Hell, if it wasn't for that one example, we'd have no clue about the state of open source today.

Re:How about fixing what we have now? (2, Insightful)

RAMMS+EIN (578166) | more than 6 years ago | (#21869180)

This is why I don't consider Firefox, OpenOffice.org, etc (basically, most of the high-profile open-source software) to be prime examples of open-source. Generally, they are similar to (sometimes clones of) commercial software, including the bloat and bugs. _Most_ of the software I use actually isn't like that. And that's why I like it.

Hopefully a linux driver for my wifi card (2, Insightful)

CranberryKing (776846) | more than 6 years ago | (#21868310)

Yes! Thank you New Year's Gods! A native linux driver for my Aspire laptop's Broadcom BCM94318MPG card!

Yes sir. I really can't ask for more than that can I?.. The old BCM94318 w/out any damned NDIS wrapper.

Yep. It sure would take a warm and good soul to release one of those.

A stable kernel (1)

SpaceLifeForm (228190) | more than 6 years ago | (#21868472)

That's all I ask.

Organization Standard (1)

vossman77 (300689) | more than 6 years ago | (#21868514)

I'd like to see some organization standards. Like for my Mp3's things should go seamlessly between amarok, rythembox, etc and photos, and movies. I think FOSS is really behind Apple in this area.

Re:Organization Standard (1)

mhall119 (1035984) | more than 6 years ago | (#21868672)

I'd like to see some organization standards. Like for my Mp3's things should go seamlessly between amarok, rythembox, etc and photos, and movies. I think FOSS is really behind Apple in this area.
Really, Apple lets you transfer your MP3 playlists and metadata between two music player written in two different toolkits, by two different companies, neither of them Apple? The same for photos and movies?

JADE (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21868626)

I am looking forward to JADE, a roguelike, successor of ADOM.

http://www.adom.de/ [www.adom.de]

What they're missing (3, Interesting)

Dasher42 (514179) | more than 6 years ago | (#21868744)

I predict that LLVM [llvm.org] and HLVM [hlvm.org] will gain steam. People are going to realize that this pair of abstractions is cleaner, leaner, and meaner than the current virtual machine + language + API way of doing things characterized by Java and .NET. The fact that a GPU can be used as a processor transparently where appropriate, just the way Apple already has with LLVM, is going to start the rethink that was cut short by Java and .NET's fiascoes of ownership or patents. They'll also start making development in compiled languages easier.

This will be the open source response to the blurring lines between CPU and GPU task-wise, as the vector computing tasks could be done much quicker on the GPU based on the advances of LLVM, and applications will benefit transparently. It will be very cool.

Groupware (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21868754)

2008 is the year OpenChange completely re-writes the groupware scene and allows OL2K7 to connect to a linux server and TB to connect to Exchange 2K7

WOW :-)

Also in the headlines:

Dell gives us the triple boot PC - XP + Ubuntu + OSX
(That's what we *really* want)

Landrover's build quality reaches perfection

HP realise that the extra 2p for a recovery CD will help sell PCs

Orange will shoot the idiot who skins their phones

Gumstix will start to feel LARGE

oh yeah, And World Peace.

klik2! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21868822)

klik2 [fosdem.org] !

ReactOS (1)

ZOmegaZ (687142) | more than 6 years ago | (#21868952)

ReactOS will probably hit .4 in 2008. The roadmap [reactos.org] lists that as improving the already great kernel compatibility, usable networking, basic audio support, and USB interface device support. If you want to break Microsoft's dominance on the desktop, this is where to look, not Linux.

Re:ReactOS (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21869280)

ReactOS is awesome, to be sure... but...

If you want to break Microsoft's dominance on the desktop, this is where to look, not Linux.
Linux + Wine is much, much closer to achieving full compatibility for Windows Apps than ReactOS is. (E.g. right now ReactOS is alpha and can't be used for anything serious, whereas Linux right now is fully functional and Wine support for Windows apps is very good, though not perfect).

Again, I support the ReactOS project. It's a neat idea. But Linux+Wine is much, much closer to being a viable replacement for Windows than ReactOS is. Linux+Wine gives you "the best of both worlds": a stable OSS core, access to a huge vetted repository of applications, and ability to run unmodified Windows binaries if you need to.

Wine has been getting very good of late (e.g. runs Photoshop 7 flawlessly, runs Office 2003 with some bugs). In fact, I see Wine's Windows-compatibility over the next few years becoming a major selling point for transitioning to Linux.

Re:ReactOS (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21869316)

Only if you want to break Windows dominance it in a way that makes it pointless to break it, since ReactOS is just as bad as Windows, bug-for-bug.

OLPC vs clothes (4, Informative)

Error27 (100234) | more than 6 years ago | (#21868976)

From the article: "And it is true that food and clothing may seem like more immediate priorities in many regions."

Please do not send any more clothes. You've already killed off the local textile industry and put all the cotton farmers out of work with your free clothes. Who can compete with free crap? Please stop.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/1076411.stm [bbc.co.uk]

I no longer donate clothes for exactly this reason.

a little misinformation... (1)

mathfeel (937008) | more than 6 years ago | (#21869028)

OOXML has thus far failed to become an ECMA or ISO standard

Is OOXML not already an ECMA standard??

This year Linux finally makes it on the desktop! (1)

sheldon (2322) | more than 6 years ago | (#21869088)

Well, that's been the prediction the last ten years, might as well be consistent.

Infinite desktop (1)

SiliconEntity (448450) | more than 6 years ago | (#21869090)

I'd like to see an "infinite desktop" with a head mounted display and orientation sensor. I can turn my head and see many virtual feet of documents in every direction. I can use my mouse to slide my point of view right or left. To me this would be a useful model and could eventually be adapted to portable use on planes and such.
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