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Social Network Aggregation, Killer App in 2008?

CmdrTaco posted more than 6 years ago | from the i've-heard-worse-ideas dept.

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blogdig writes "Managing scattered online Social Life on multiple Social Networking sites, I sense, will become a Killer App Category 2008. There are several startups now in the "Social Network Aggregation" space and this App Category should diversify and catch momentum in 2008. Some startups are focusing on identity consolidation, others on messaging consolidation and on tracking friends. Some like Profilefly offer consolidation of multiple things like Profiles, Contacts and Bookmarks....The need for users to be a member of not just one but multiple social networks can be understood through Barry Wellman's concept of 'networked individualism'..." Unfortunately the most important use of these applications won't be seen for some time. I refer of course to using my warlock to murder the ongoing stream of hot girls who want to be my friend on these sites.

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Social aggregators (5, Interesting)

BWJones (18351) | more than 6 years ago | (#21881498)

My initial thoughts on this were "bah, people spend too much time online", then I caught myself realizing that in the aggregate, I have resources spread all over a number of services from the personal personal [utah.edu] to the professional with various sites from scientific ones to educational ones to time wasters like Slashdot ;-)

I even started exploring a couple of social aggregators last year to explore options for consolidating effort and one of the most promising I've seen is Lijit [lijit.com]. The premise behind their product is that people tend to look for answers from others they know or trust, yet current search engines (even the almighty Google) do not provide any sort of framework for trust inside social networks you are familiar with. Lijit provides for this intimacy of information allowing you and others to search not only information in your blog, but also information from posts that colleagues, friends and family have perhaps written when you are looking for information from sources that *you* know and trust. It is an approach that certainly has benefits in the social networking arenas, but I also find the potential for business and academics to be very exciting. The only question in my mind is how to exploit different services hosted on a variety of platforms to make the content indexable, but since text strings lend themselves to this quite nicely, the next problem is alternative data sources like image data, sound data, video, etc...etc...etc...

Re:Social aggregators (1)

morgan_greywolf (835522) | more than 6 years ago | (#21881566)

Hmmmm... A few thoughts, not really having seen the service: I have plenty of IRL and online friends and acquaintances. Some I trust more than others on certain topics. I have one friend who's an expert in cars. I would implicitly trust anything he had to say about cars. His computer knowledge is okay, but I don't consider him any sort of expert in any field of technology other than cars. So I would want results from him ranked high on cars, but somewhat lower on IT, computers or networking, yet above my clueless friends.

This is definitely one of the must-have features that I would need in any sort of social aggregation tool like the one you describe. I have other thoughts, but I'm interested in what others have to say.

Re:Social aggregators (1)

Corwn of Amber (802933) | more than 6 years ago | (#21886974)

This is definitely one of the must-have features that I would need in any sort of social aggregation tool like the one you describe. I have other thoughts, but I'm interested in what others have to say.


Will never happen. Websites change all the times (can't automate away even a login, unless you play cat 'n mouse with the site) and they're mostly badly coded.

Re:Social aggregators (1)

Captain Splendid (673276) | more than 6 years ago | (#21904598)

I would implicitly trust anything he had to say about cars. His computer knowledge is okay, but I don't consider him any sort of expert in any field of technology other than cars. So I would want results from him ranked high on cars, but somewhat lower on IT, computers or networking, yet above my clueless friends.

This is definitely one of the must-have features that I would need in any sort of social aggregation tool like the one you describe. I have other thoughts, but I'm interested in what others have to say.


Didn't your brain come with one of these? Mine did.

Flippancy aside, as much as I'm a lazy bastard and will let tech do as much heavy lifting for me as it can, there's some things I can't/won't unload, and I'm sure most other people feel the same way, although perhaps about different aspects of their lives.

But seriously, between my various computers, as well the ones scattered about the 'net that have borne my comments/info/whatever, I've already offloaded tons, with the intention always being that I can save my brain cycles for stuff I care about, like who I know, how I know them, and what they mean to me and each other. You want a machine to do that for you as well?

Re:Social aggregators (1)

megaditto (982598) | more than 6 years ago | (#21881598)

the next problem is alternative data sources like image data, sound data, video, etc...etc...etc...
Ah, but that's where you come in. Study your retina and visual cortex or whatever, and hack together an algorithm to process an image to a standard contrast/color/saturation, split it into primitives, then analyze and classify those on multiple abstraction layers:
lots of lines and curves -> lines are parallel, curves form concentric ovals and some triangles -> a pair of ovals is below a lot of parallel lines -> a face -> with a certain symmetry and distribution of shadows -> a face of a young female reasonably in shape with just enough makeup -> a young pretty girl!

Or is something like that another 5-10 years away?

Re:Social aggregators (1)

BWJones (18351) | more than 6 years ago | (#21881680)

Image search is currently one of the hottest areas of research with a variety of folks from the search engine companies to defense related applications to commercial aggregators of images like Getty. Certainly an understanding of how the retina and cortex process information could be helpful to efforts such as these as we have not yet found algorithms that are as good as people in finding interesting data within images. This is why after years and years, groups and agencies that process lots of image data still have to rely on analysts to quantify and classify data. However, that said there are some new approaches to image classification including clustering, level set theory and others that have real promise.

Re:Social aggregators (1)

jesse285 (1145913) | more than 6 years ago | (#21933140)

It was begin to hit me that I was getting to many e-mail in one box, but that become a problem, so I get more way to have e-mail to me to talk, now there are too many to talk to, all I want was just one.

We'll see (2, Insightful)

guruevi (827432) | more than 6 years ago | (#21881516)

I think social networking sites are going to gain and then lose a lot of momentum, maybe not over the next year but over the next decade we'll soon see that social networking sites are going the way of the MUD.

I don't want to manage a social networking site let alone have an app that collects all the data and sends it to multiple sites at once.

Re: going the way of the MUD (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21882118)

If they're "going the way of the MUD," does that mean they're going to go graphical, become a billion dollar industry, and start releasing TV advertisements from Mr.T and Verne Troyer [worldofwarcraft.com]?

MUDs are dead. Long live graphical MUDs (Everquest, WoW, etc).

(*Disclaimer: I still play text based MUDs.)

I agree... (2, Insightful)

UseCase (939095) | more than 6 years ago | (#21882372)

I agree. The general population has finally caught on this social networking thing so the "coolness" of it should be wearing off at least from a 1337 point of view. These sites are correctly putting there development dollars into extending there networks to the smart/cell phone markets. The real killer app is going to be the site that finally gets the computer/cell phone social networking thing "right", if there is such a thing. Kind of like
  • World of Warcraft
taking the MMO industry to the next level. Not really a revolution but evolutionary advance to better usability.

Re:We'll see (1)

sukotto (122876) | more than 6 years ago | (#21886100)

MUDs/MOOs begat Ultima Online, World Of Warcraft, Second Life, EVE, and all the others.

I wonder what the Social Networks will beget?

Missing links (3, Informative)

BWJones (18351) | more than 6 years ago | (#21881534)

It looks like someone has forgotten the links to the referenced pdf. You can find Barry Wellman's publications including content about Networked Individualism here [utoronto.ca].

Re:Missing links (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21881596)

Don't worry, he was just copy-pasting his blog entry into his Slashdot self-promotion. Typos are to be expected by post-pumpers.

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Not a universal killer app (4, Insightful)

Critical_ (25211) | more than 6 years ago | (#21881602)

I wholeheartedly agree that the first startup to get profile aggregation and contact management right will solve many power-user's frustrations with multiple profiles. However, I am not sure if this will be the universal killer app that people believe it to be. At this time, myself and many of my friends have profiles on multiple networks but each one caters to a different audience. My LinkedIn profile is for professional contacts, my Facebook is largely for keeping in touch with select college friends and family, and Friendster and Myspace are for everyone else. I don't necessarily want the same level of personal information available on every site. I would however like a way to group each person's multiple profiles under their name and be able to extract relevant contact information for synchronization into my mobile phone via Outlook.

Maybe this idea can be taken further. Is there an open framework where I can create a personal profile on my own server or free hosting service and link to my friends profiles a la Jabber's open model but for the social scene? Could this service provide a comment space, photo sharing, private messaging (via email), and RSS feeds via a shared application API? It seems like this would be very easily to implement if Facebook, Myspace, Friendster, Hi5, and Bebo decided to open their networks to non-local hosted profiles and take the data from your profile and display it using their service's user interface. SPAM and privacy controls would have to be implemented but it would be as simple as: "If you would like to link your profile into the Facebook network please verify your profile via OpenID/OpenID2, email address, or mobile phone number." Granular privacy controls could be implemented by allowed users to group their friends profiles based on how much they want to share. Facebook has already started doing this.

Until this can occur, profile aggregation will be at the whim and mercy of the "terms of service" of the big walled gardens. As it stands, profile link list sites like My Mashable [mashable.com], ClaimID [claimid.com], Spock [spock.com], and Rapleaf [rapleaf.com] along with a mechanism to push your data to these services is just a hack. Unfortunately, its the only way to go for now.

Re:Not a universal killer app (1)

nevali (942731) | more than 6 years ago | (#21882606)

Such a framework exists, after a fashion, though it's very slapdash.

FOAF is an RDF-based schema for linking "identities" together, but the only major service provider that supports it as far as I know is LiveJournal, and even then it's pretty limited.

Technically, FOAF+XFN+hCards+OpenID should make it possible to create everything that social networks (in their current form) have, although there might be one or two gaps which need filled. The biggest problem really is traction. In order to make it work, you'd need to:

a) Have a nice piece of off-the-shelf open source software that worked as a "profile server"--you could even build it on top of one of the blogging engines (e.g. WordPress). You give it the same sort of information that you'd give MySpace, Facebook, whoever, and it spits out a customisable profile page, complete with all the magical metadata for linking people together. People can authenticate via OpenID to leave comments, view restricted profile gobs, etc.

b) One of the major social network players starts supporting all of the above metadata--including OpenID--and adding friends by external URL, and picks up the metadata from the destination page. This would pave the way both for cross-relationships (e.g., my profile on Facebook is a friend of yours on Bebo) and for people running their own profile servers that were just part of the larger network.

The big big problem with it all is that there's very little impetus for the vast majority of social network users to want to look outside of the networks' walled gardens: everybody has profiles on every service, and it's only really an occasional hassle to create yet another one if it becomes the next big thing. Although an open-ended system would be the ideal, not to mention providing for a great deal more resilience and permanence, I have a feeling it'll be a long time before it actually becomes a reality.

In short, it's not the technology that's the problem.

Re:Not a universal killer app (1)

lhorn (528432) | more than 6 years ago | (#21882990)

Oh no!...cant resist...
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and most ISP's will give you FREE server space for a modest presentation in this fabulous arena,
where a number of BIG international search and indexing services will put links to your site in their
online directories for FREE and if you are unique (as almost all of us are) a search using YOUR NAME,
your interests or personal relationships (if specified sufficently or reasonably abnormal) will present
A LINK to YOUR PAGE
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Re:Not a universal killer app (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21885782)

Hmm... Sounds like IM.

I'm not so shure (1)

scafuz (985517) | more than 6 years ago | (#21881612)

really.. i'm not so sure that 'aggregating' social networking can become a killer app in 2008. Any player just want a bigger slice of market's pie so, they'll just try to get more subscribers from the other networks, thus nullifying any attempt to aggregate... I don't even know if common API beetween different network could be usefull, there are too many privacy issues and economical interests to let someone use private data soo hardly gotten from a subscriber

Re:I'm not so shure (1)

ThirdPrize (938147) | more than 6 years ago | (#21882686)

You tell Google [news.com] that.

Re:I'm not so shure (1)

scafuz (985517) | more than 6 years ago | (#21883320)

well.. i really meant Google's API. I've read enough 'bout that, but it doesn't seem to be widespread as it should in their creator's mind. There has been lot of talk, but so few apps built on top of those APIs make me think about the need we have for it.
No, really, what we need is not just another aggregator, maybe the opposite [w3.org]

Re:I'm not so shure (2, Interesting)

Hatta (162192) | more than 6 years ago | (#21883156)

If aggregation was such a desirable feature, all our IM protocols would be intercompatible by now.

Re:I'm not so shure (1)

ringm000 (878375) | more than 6 years ago | (#21887862)

Desirable to whom? That's akin to saying "if making Mac OS X/Photoshop/etc free and opening the source was such a desirable thing, it would be done by now".

Spock? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21881616)

This article is really quite lacking if it doesn't mention Spock, which is like the most powerful robot controlled uber-social profile combiner and dataminer out there. http://www.spock.com/ [spock.com]

W00T!

Re:Spock? (1)

jim-kirk (1211280) | more than 6 years ago | (#21884630)

This article is really quite lacking if it doesn't mention Spock, which is like the most powerful robot controlled uber-social profile combiner and dataminer out there. http://www.spock.com/ [spock.com]

Exactly what I've been searching for, thanks!

Killer app (5, Funny)

AndroidCat (229562) | more than 6 years ago | (#21881622)

I can see how Social Network Aggregation apps would be useful for killers and stalkers, but isn't that a rather narrow market segment? (I hope.)

Re:Killer app (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21882598)

You must be new here.

What's the big deal anyways? (2, Interesting)

GottliebPins (1113707) | more than 6 years ago | (#21881684)

What's the big deal with social networking anyways? Do you let everyone know every time you take a crap? Social networking is for people who would otherwise stay at home and never hang out with anyone, but thanks to social networking they can be associated with hundreds of people who normally wouldn't give them the time of day. I got tired of managing all of the requests to join networks with former coworkers and people I barely knew so removed myself from all of these social networks and just delete all requests to join. It's just more spam taking up my time.

Re:What's the big deal anyways? (2, Insightful)

archen (447353) | more than 6 years ago | (#21882674)

Depends on your situation. I moved away from all of my family and friends in the midwest a long time ago, and while I keep up with my very good friend and immediate family, the rest I just tend to lose contact with. Likewise I have friends in Canada but I don't get up there often to visit them. Sure I could call them up all the time, but I don't have time for that and honestly I won't remember every interesting thing that happened to me since the last call.

An online journal can be a good way to keep track of people and check up on how they are doing, and possibly stay in touch. Why not email? True email is good for contact, however social networking works like a reverse email, in which the person chooses whether or not they actually care what happens to you.

It's not for everyone, but it can have its uses. Personally I've come to a similar conclusion as you in that you end up with all of these "fringe" people you hardly know and it ends up being a big spam-pool/time waster.

It's like the old saying... (3, Insightful)

niceone (992278) | more than 6 years ago | (#21881692)

If you haven't got anything good to say, aggregate someone else's content.

Jokes aside (1)

Billosaur (927319) | more than 6 years ago | (#21881726)

It's bad enough to have a profile on one social networking site... if you have multiple profiles on multiple sites and need some kind of aggregating software... bah! 'Nuff said. We could beat this to death. Killer app? More like killer hype -- in the end, we'll be talking in December about how the promise of social networking aggregation was the greatest disappointment of 2008.

Please Go Away Now (0, Troll)

stewbacca (1033764) | more than 6 years ago | (#21881730)

I was hoping the title of this story was something like "2008 is the year social networking sites died". Now we are hoping for something that lets us make them seem more legit? Please help us if this is what the Internet has come to.

Group hug. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21881742)

"Social Network Aggregation, Killer App in 2008?"

Maybe SL or Sony's "Home" could suucceed better?

How about... (1)

IBBoard (1128019) | more than 6 years ago | (#21881756)

...an app that aggregates the killing of social networks?

I'd much rather have one app that lets me kill large amounts of MySpace *shudders* than one app to manage all of my personal information on multiple sites (that I'm not actually registered on) that might have different versions of 'me' on them.

If it gets to the themeing level as well then can you imagine the havoc? Facebook pages with MySpace-esque unreadable backgrounds, or MySpace pages with (shock, horror) readable colour schemes!

Or we could go the other way (4, Insightful)

svunt (916464) | more than 6 years ago | (#21881786)

In 2007, I cancelled my MySpace & facebook accounts, and haven't suffered a damn bit; in fact, I feel that I have more spare time and feel less obligated to engage with every fool who decides to leave me a message. I've decided I *like* the extra hurdles to communication that one email address and a single phone number give me. Since mobile phones, internet etc have come along, I've spent a steadily increasing amount of time responding to pointless messages, reading near-gibberish crap (hai 2 u LOL kekeke) and instead I can concentrate on my REAL friends & colleagues, who can reach me at near light speed whenever they choose to. Between privacy concerns and the general waste of time for anyone who isn't 14 and trying to collect friends in much the same indiscriminate fashion as a newly broadbanded teen does mp3s. I've made the decision to aim for quality in communication and connections, not quantity, and it's been a winning move.

As far as killer apps go, I think the aggregation site aggregators will be the go. Imagine, a site that aggregated slashdot, digg, reddit, engadget, oh wait, that's rss, never mind.

Re: Quality Communications (1)

TaoPhoenix (980487) | more than 6 years ago | (#21882260)

I enjoy multiple emails, to separate things like /. notifiers from family email.

However, re: "NetSpeak", I simply ban it. I announce that if an email (message, etc) has more than two "Netisms" I add a nasty note to my answer. (This is different if someone is working off a mobile device.)

I never signed up for a MySpace acct because it doesn't actually do anything. My email is not crypted here, so if any of you felt I had to know something, you would have emailed me. I don't need a giant list of people who I've chatted with once.

Re:Or we could go the other way (2, Insightful)

cowscows (103644) | more than 6 years ago | (#21882698)

Not to be too much of a jerk, but don't completely blame the site for the user's problems. I have a facebook and a myspace account, which I use to keep in touch with some people that I otherwise wouldn't, but I don't find that they take up an inordinate amount of my time, energy, or attention. I never felt the need to respond to pointless messages. I generally just ignore them until they stop coming. I don't "friend" anyone who asks, I turn down requests for various things (even from my friends and family), and I don't feel the need to explain myself when I do so.

It's entirely possible to use social networking sites to achieve quality communication. Just because teenagers like to kill time by filling their profiles up with cruft doesn't mean that you have to do the same.

Re:Or we could go the other way (1)

tyrione (134248) | more than 6 years ago | (#21886212)

I completely agree. Both Facebook and MySpace are junk applications but in a world of unsettled APIs and half-implemented standards, Facebook beats MySpace in quality hands down.

Unfortunately, none of them seem to do much for you if most of your friends aren't in such purported collaborative environments. At 38 I expected more to be utilizing it but then mainly they have their ear plugged with their cellphone. They can't type unless their career really requires it and unless they are in a technical field they could give a rat's ass about computers and the Internet. Sports is one allure but they get immediately turned off when the interesting information on sports talent falls under paid subscriptions. They just go grab it off the print rack.

We still haven't seen compelling state-aware collaborative social networking environments be utilized. Stateless models are attempting to put a huge band-aid over it's obvious limitation. I am canceling my MySpace and soon the Facebook. LinkedIn is a useful idea for professional contacts but people just aren't that excited about it.

Too be interested in collaborating in content that adds to your perceived knowledge it just makes sense to have a blog and whoever develops a categorized aggregator that works seamlessly should make a fortune. Then again, Microsoft, Apple and Linux should just have these as client apps allowing one to download offline and read later.

Re:Or we could go the other way (1)

snotclot (836055) | more than 6 years ago | (#21889720)

I can see your viewpoint in your post, and I have thought about this extreme at times myself. I'm not much of a socially broad person -- I usually only keep in contact with a select few close friends at at time (and family at all times of course).

It seems like going the other way, however, is a bit extreme.. why not just disable the Wall (definitely do-able) features of the sites? In addition, keep a minimum profile and do not update it-- with no updates on Facebook, one can easilly go incognito -- I've noticed that I only get wallposts when I've recently updated my profile, since that moves me onto the "Updated friends list" and puts me out on the radar..

Aggregation doesn't seem to be the problem (2, Insightful)

Isao (153092) | more than 6 years ago | (#21881924)

Back in the day, certain wonks (myself included) were worried about the proliferation of social networking sites, and that records would not be transferable or interoperable between them. We worried that for example if you were dependent on a site and it went out of business, you'd have no way to extract your social network and take it with you.

Fast forward to today, and we see different behavior. People "friend" you all the time, and your social network becomes populated with many people, some of whom you've never met. At some point it becomes useless as an affinity group, and you'd like to cull the list to make it more useful. The trouble is you don't want to dismiss someone by removing them from your "friends" list, even though your relationship is tenuous at best. The cure appears to be that people abandon profiles and systems wholesale, and jump to a new system with a fresh profile. Friendster begat MySapce, then Facebook, etc. Abandoning the system alienates no one in particular, and lets the user start over with a fresh list.

I'd bet that the last thing users will want is to permanently carry all that baggage with them.

Facebook already does this (1)

Apreche (239272) | more than 6 years ago | (#21882018)

I don't really use Facebook very much. For the things most people use Facebook for, I use Google for domains. However, I do use other sites like Listal, Last.fm, Flickr, etc. While these sites have social networking features, I use them for their database features primarily. Storing my photos, tracking my music listening, those are things I want to do.

Now, while I don't use Facebook itself, I do have an account. Thanks to Facebook's application API, Facebook is already sort of a social networking aggregator. Every one of the web applications I use has a Facebook application. If you add all of them to your Facebook, you get sort of an aggregated profile all in one place. Adding those applications I think is the smartest thing Facebook ever did.

Less Aggrigation (1)

zehaeva (1136559) | more than 6 years ago | (#21882200)

and maybe a bit more granular controls over your relationships in the social networks. its really silly that everyone that is on your friend list on myspace, facebook etc. are valued that same, when i do not have the same relationship with everyone i know in real life, some people are coworkers, some are friends, others acquaintances, some are coworkers and friends. if my boss finds my facebook profile and wants to friend me, well while i like him i don't consider him a friend, he is a coworker, and as such shouldn't be privy to all of the stuff i put up there for my friends.

we need finer controls over who can view what before we start to aggregate all of it together

Beautiful (1)

HomelessInLaJolla (1026842) | more than 6 years ago | (#21882246)

Some people talk about having used BBSs in the past. I guess this is a neat way to figure out who actually did.

Those who actually did use BBSs with any regularity saw this coming. Multiple personas in multiple places, with different data sets and information in each, who would've thought? Managing this information in an effective manner is a built in skill that some people have, from experience, from using multiple BBS systems--either with or without the same handle on each.

Now it's going to turn into a media and social attribute. Do you use ABC or XYZ or GHJ? All the people in this crowd use XYZ, that crowd uses GHJ, those people use ABC. Users of ABC are XY% more likely to buy upgraded memberships, so ABC will get the more flashy ads on TV and more corporate favoritism, it's stocks will push a little higher, blah blah blah.

But I don't want to use ABC or XYZ or GHJ because I already do this in my head, and I like my system better. Oh, you don't use any of those services? Well, why not? You must be antisocial, you must be a "rebel", you must not know how to "fit in", you must be an anti-capitalist, an anti-patriot, a conspiracy theorist, or a privacy nut because you don't use any of these things.

But I don't use _YOUR_ software services because I already do it in my head, in my brain hardware, and I like my system better.

Well, what's your system then? What's so good about your system in your head? Can your system do $#^&@#* THIS!!! $%&*$%&$* ? No, see. Your system in your head sucks. You think your system does $%&$*%$ THAT $%&#*$&# better than ABC or even GHJ? I assure you, you don't manage $%&$*%$@& THIS !&$*#$&*# half as well as even XYZ. Your system sucks, you suck, and you're a privacy nut. Or... alternatively... What's your idea? Oh yeah? Keep telling me more about it. Tell me more. Tell me more. Uh-huh. Okay. Thank you. Gotta go!

Re:Beautiful (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21898004)

Stay in school kids.

Social Networking Sites and addiction (4, Insightful)

fialar (1545) | more than 6 years ago | (#21882322)

I have a group of friends who were on Myspace, who have recently jumped on the Facebook bandwagon.
I gave Facebook a try, but it really irked me so I deleted it. So, a little over 6 weeks ago, one of my
friends asked me why I deleted my Facebook AND Livejournal account, and I said I was so over the whole
social networking "phenomenon". This friend became quite a bit ornery over that fact, so this leads me to
a theory. I think people like being on several different social networking sites. It's extra places to check
email, events, etc. The lashing out was like that of someone wondering why someone else couldn't get "their fix".
People are actually ADDICTED to these sites. The sites aren't even that great! (Most are extremely poorly written,
like Myspace)

What ever happened to email or mobile phone text?

Re:Social Networking Sites and addiction (1)

cbart387 (1192883) | more than 6 years ago | (#21885424)

What ever happened to email or mobile phone text?
That's why I stopped using facebook. You get an email that says you have to log in to check your message when it'd be so much simpler if facebook sent you an email with the message. That's what led me to culling those 'friends' that you haven't talked since high school and putting a profile that only lists my email to contact me. The only new information those sites give me is information about people you wouldn't normally spend the effort to keep in touch with (In my opinion at least).

Plus those stupid vampire/pirate invitations. Sorry, I can waste my time better.

Re:Social Networking Sites and addiction (1)

pvanheus (186787) | more than 6 years ago | (#21886104)

And I have a single page which I used to keep track of my multiple email inboxes, my facebook account (which keeps me up to date with events I might be interested in) and multiple RSS feeds. Really, what's so tough? I have the most annoying apps on facebook blocked, and for now it fits into my world quite well as a way social-life-aggregator - letting me know when my favourite local band has a gig, for instance. Sure, the local bands could put me on their mailing lists, but with a specialised (web) application for keeping track of events, I can 'join' or 'leave' an event, be notified shortly before it happens, etc - its like having a notification service that slots straight into my calendar. My email tends not to do that automatically.

Two decades ago a friend of mine asked why we need multitasking on computers when he could only work in one app at a time. ;) The world has moved on, new applications have appeared and some of us have learned to use them - same with social networking sites. I'm not quite sure why hating social networking sites seems to earn you automatic /. karma.

Re:Social Networking Sites and addiction (1)

dintech (998802) | more than 6 years ago | (#21892522)

This is certainly a more useful form of aggregation. Maybe you need your own start-up. I would certainly want to use this...

Re:Social Networking Sites and addiction (1)

RobBebop (947356) | more than 6 years ago | (#21888916)

What ever happened to email or mobile phone text?

Ahem. Ahem. You must mean email and cell phones? There is nothing worse than the douchebag at the party thumbing out text messages all night. At least with a voice call, you need to seek some kind of privacy.

Re:Social Networking Sites and addiction (1)

mdwh2 (535323) | more than 6 years ago | (#21894324)

What ever happened to email or mobile phone text?

LiveJournal at least has a lot more than "social networking" though, and isn't covered by emailing or texting (I'm not sure how anyone could see the latter as an improvement when you have online access btw). You might as well describe Slashdot as a "social networking" site because we have profiles, you can add "Friends", etc... People could also say the same things about being addicted.

But you're still here.

Re:Social Networking Sites and addiction (1)

Alexa33 (1212632) | more than 6 years ago | (#21913614)

I totally agree with you when you say people are getting addicted to different social networking sites. I would say it has become even worse. I have a friend in Spain that whenever I like to talk to her, she asks me to enter a game-site. On this site http://www.pokerroom.com/es/ [pokerroom.com] you are able to ask friends to join you and play poker on private tables and talk while playing. It's just like she wants to do all at once: eat, socialize, take care of her children and earn some money, all at the same time. I understand that with new technology comes new ways of living, but hasn't it become a little bit extreme? When we try to do all at once, we miss to nurture our relations and we tend not to talk to each other,not about things that really matter. The more we try to communicate with the world around us, the less we actually say things that matter. Perhaps it's time to try not to live our lives according to different sites and try to talk to people on the street and try to be real?

Killer App? (1)

Big Hairy Ian (1155547) | more than 6 years ago | (#21882540)

Some write a spam filter for facebook please!!!!!!!!!

Re:Killer App? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21882616)

I just did - add the following line to your hosts file:

127.0.0.1 www.facebook.com facebook.com

You can use the same technique to filter out useless content from myspace as well....

And 2009 will be the year of... (3, Funny)

filbranden (1168407) | more than 6 years ago | (#21882628)

2008 will be the year of the Social Network Aggregators, and 2009 will be the year for the Aggregators of all the Social Network Aggregators!

Check the chart in the article. (1)

Animats (122034) | more than 6 years ago | (#21882936)

The chart in the article [thebizofcoding.com], of the fraction of people on two social networking sites, shows what's really happening. There's Myspace and Facebook, and then there's everybody else. Whether Myspace and Facebook decide to interoperate is a major business decision. For everybody else, what matters is interoperating with Myspace and Facebook. Few people care whether Orkut and Bebo interconnect.

Social networking sites have a life cycle, like nightclubs. If successful, they become cool, they grow, the losers move in, they become uncool, and they decline. Has-been sites include Geocities, EZBoard, Nerve, Tribe, and, of course AOL. Facebook just caught up with Myspace last month, after a steep rise, but right now Facebook is headed downward. [alexa.com]

Potential (1)

dlim (928138) | more than 6 years ago | (#21882992)

While it's true that most of what occurs on social networks today -- getting friend requests from strangers and spam, building ugly home pages that play 10 different songs / videos simultaneously when they load, the ability to tell a computer about your social relationships does offer potential.

An example: I recently talked to a friend of mine who is in a band, runs a recording studio, and works in one of the few remaining independent brick and mortar music stores in Iowa and he claimed if you make music, you have to have a MySpace page. For a band to be able to market themselves worldwide via a digital "word of mouth" network is a significant shift from the previous model of signing with a large record label. People complain about signal to noise, but that's only a problem because the signal is so amplified.

If people had the ability to do more useful things with their social networks than tell everyone about their favorite movies, or post stupid comments or pictures on other pages, there is potential to create other distributed systems around our social relationships. To do that, we need access to the data we've created about our relationships. We need to simplify management of the relationships.

Aggregation and Integration is a start. A "garbage collector" would be nice. Mobile access would be good. A way to group and rank our relationships is a must. And we need an easy way to control access to our data. Most importantly, people need incentive to put accurate data on their networks. Give them the ability to do useful things with the data and we may see less of the popularity contest we currently have.

qdos, a first attempt ... (1)

wilted_buttercup (1164545) | more than 6 years ago | (#21883444)

An example semantic web site which does attempt to combine your various social online identifies is http://qdos.com [qdos.com]. Qdos gives each person a rank score, based on your online persona, i.e. the higher your social activity the higher your Qdos, you can also log in using OpenID, and you can get all of your data back in a triple notation. You can claim your name, and add your various sites to the profile, and raise your ranking, if you are that way inclined:

Perez Hilton (what a waste of space) in html:
http://qdos.com/celeb/5030c86ab21d08595fcd9a93f4480d45/html [qdos.com]
Perez Hilton in triples:
http://qdos.com/celeb/5030c86ab21d08595fcd9a93f4480d45/turtle [qdos.com]
CmdrTaco in html:
http://qdos.com/celeb/4e24374b2e9d0209221f2a6a0fc6a100/html [qdos.com]
CmdrTaco in turtle:
http://qdos.com/celeb/4e24374b2e9d0209221f2a6a0fc6a100/turtle [qdos.com]

Aggregation will never be big, to most people. (2, Interesting)

Fross (83754) | more than 6 years ago | (#21883476)

It's simple to see that in the past, there have been many attempts to unify technologies, sites, communication mechanisms online, don't succeed. Not because they're bad products, but because aggregation doesn't offer most users anything they actually want. From Jabber or Trillian to RSS feeds or anything else, they've always been a niche product and probably always will be.

I still read slashdot, news.bbc, the onion and so forth, plus sites like Facebook and Livejournal, on their individual pages, I don't use an "aggregator", such as RSS feeds and my own interface. Firstly, because it's fiddly to set up, and secondly, each of those sites usually offers something different in their interface which suits the content they're providing - often the most interesting stuff is outside of the "headlines", which is all you get on an RSS feed. You may be an avid user of aggregation, but as a Slashdot reader you're probably a lot more geeky than most people, and killer apps are those used by the Great Unwashed, not just us nerds.

This is particularly true for social networking sites, in my opinion. While there are many out there, and many people have profiles on each (from Friendster to Orkut to Livejournal to Myspace to Facebook), most people are "on" one at a time. The fads come and go, the popularity for each application comes and goes - something new comes along and people either migrate to it or they don't. Something will come along in 2008 that everyone will leave Facebook for - just as happened to Myspace in 2006/2007. Most users don't want the overhead of managing multiple online profiles, aggregation will make *access* to each one easier, but not the management of each one.

Anyone actually read Social Networks TOS? (2, Interesting)

untouchable (615727) | more than 6 years ago | (#21883670)

Because I have. I had this idea two years ago, and started reading Myspace, Livejournal, Facebook, Xanga, etc., TOS to see what actually is and isn't allowed on their networks. IANAL, but according to what I have read/seen, most have rules against automatically posting and receiving information without directly logging in through their particular sites. I remember one TOS actually stating that screen scraping and scripting of sites would not be permitted.
So,what's the business plan, then? Ignore the TOS, under the belief of better to ask for forgiveness than permission, or hope that their lawyers aren't as good as the ones you'll be needing?

And in 2009... (1)

Rui Lopes (599077) | more than 6 years ago | (#21883760)

It'll be the year of social network aggregators aggregators (i.e., meta level)! Guess what's going to be the Next Big Thing in 2010?

More accessable social networking first (1)

kingtonm (208158) | more than 6 years ago | (#21884110)

Anything that avoids the, email to tell you that you have an email that you can't access syndrome would be great. I have countless mechanisms for getting hold of email and messaging from all sorts of places and devices but oweing to more and more social networking I actually have *less* access as unless you use their web app you're screwed.

So before we get a hard on for aggregators, can we consider the point (more communication) beforehand so we this can go hand in hand.

Robes and Wizard Hat (1)

umbrellasd (876984) | more than 6 years ago | (#21885060)

Unfortunately the most important use of these applications won't be seen for some time. I refer of course to using my warlock to murder the ongoing stream of hot girls who want to be my friend on these sites.
Don't despair! They're probably all Level 2 Druids, so you just need the right equipment (Subject).

Bad businesses model (1)

TuringTest (533084) | more than 6 years ago | (#21885088)

Social data aggregation will not make money for long. A startup that provides a successful aggregation of social networks will set up a new standard for sharing this kind of information, thus opening the data. And at the very moment that social data is open and subject to a standard, there will be no profit made in just hosting this data: there will be competing, interoperable services that offer this service for free (as in beer).

Being first to this standard will provide some momentum and brand recognition for the best social provider, but ultimately it will have to find some other revenue source to stay in business (just like happened to search in the late 90s).

Aggregators.. (1)

thatblackguy (1132805) | more than 6 years ago | (#21885174)

That's why I stick to only one site. Which isn't a problem in say Brazil or India. Is there really that deep a split between the American myspace and facebook that users can't stick to one? Aggregators are pointless if you do that.

To the naysayers (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21886924)

To the naysayers out there, you should check out http://www.spokeo.com/ [spokeo.com] You will then know why social network aggregators will be huge in 2008. The concept is too powerful to ignore.

The cool kids call this Lifestreaming (1)

krynsky (763704) | more than 6 years ago | (#21886982)

Pull in all your social networking site feeds into a clean chronological view and you have a Lifestream. There were a ton of sites [lifestreamblog.com] that released services to do just this last year. It's a great way to share and see what your friends are up to.

That is what we really need! (1)

Lewrker (749844) | more than 6 years ago | (#21891860)

To compile all the idiots from different islands of social networking into one. Borg is bound to emerge from whatever's left when the world implodes.
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