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The 5 Coolest Hacks of '07

samzenpus posted more than 6 years ago | from the still-no-pencil-hack dept.

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ancientribe writes "Nothing was sacred to hackers in '07 — not cars, not truckers, and not even the stock exchange. Dark Reading reviews five hacks that went after everyday things we take for granted even more than our PC's — our car navigation system, a trucker's freight, WiFi connections, iPhone, and (gulp) the electronic financial trading systems that record our stock purchases and other online transactions."

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145 comments

obvious (5, Funny)

User 956 (568564) | more than 6 years ago | (#21889362)

Page 5: 'Hacking capitalism'

I've heard of that before. [wikipedia.org]

Re:obvious (1)

rustalot42684 (1055008) | more than 6 years ago | (#21889664)

My favorite hack was when I went to go look and got "Service Unavailable".

Re:obvious (0)

AuMatar (183847) | more than 6 years ago | (#21889932)

Don't you mean this [wikipedia.org] ?

Re:obvious (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21890028)

I can't believe I took the time to google image search both names and didn't come up with a single chick pic. Fucking Italians.

Hack, schmack (5, Interesting)

sm62704 (957197) | more than 6 years ago | (#21893780)

I used to be a gay hacker. Then they changed the meanings of all the words, now I'm a happey equipment modifier. No, I'm heterosexual but they changed the meaning of "gay" from "happy and carefree" to "homosexual" and changed the meaning of "hacker" from "someone who writes quick-and-dirty but functional code, or modifies equipment" to "an electronic burglar".

I was incredibly disappointed with the article (RTFA? I must be new here), so much so that I made it no farther than page one of the short five page adfest. I thought it was going to be about hacking a wi-fi connection so that it doubled as a firewall or something. We nerds still use "hacker" in the old fashioned sense, just as we geezers still sing "deck the halls" without thinking about sodomy.

Ok, I know language evolves, but unlike the evolution of organisms the evolution of language is usually stupid. Like "gay", which now means "homosexual", half of whom attempt suicide. I never could understand what was so gay about suicide. Now the kids are twisting the word "gay" to mean clumsy, stupid, or dorky.

As to hacking, fine, now a hacker is a burglar. What do we nerds who write quick single-use code, or those of us who take a soldering iron to a transistor radio to turn it into something besides a radio, call ourselves now?

And could someone please point to an real NERD article somwhere that actually has the ten best hacks of 2007, instead of the ten best cracks of 2007?

I'm glad I can afford to be modded down because this really annoys me and I want to know what the rest of the slashdot audience thinks. I wish I'd seen this when it was fresh, nobody will likely seee this comment to mod it down anyway.

-mcgrew

Google. (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21889374)

My favorite hack of '07 has definetely been the google one [google.com]

Still unfixed, still causing problems.

Re:Google. (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21889420)

if anyone wants to know how he did that, here's a tutorial [youtube.com] .

Mod Down, MyMiniCity (-1, Offtopic)

Ubitsa_teh_1337 (1006277) | more than 6 years ago | (#21889422)

n/t

Re:Mod Down, MyMiniCity (-1, Offtopic)

Faylone (880739) | more than 6 years ago | (#21889640)

http://screwmyminicity.com/ [screwmyminicity.com] Sate your bloodlust, organize and make the suffer.

Re:Mod Down, MyMiniCity (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21891190)

I don't understand your plan. Can you explain?

Hack #6: VBScript vs. Slashdot Effect. (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21889404)

> The Five Coolest Hacks of 2007
> Nothing was sacred - not cars, not truckers, not even the stock exchange
>
> Microsoft VBScript runtime error '800a0035'
>
> File not found
>
> E:\LIVE\WEB\WWW.DARKREADING.COM\LIB\../../lib/db.inc, line 166

The best hack is..... (2, Funny)

Core-Dump (148342) | more than 6 years ago | (#21889436)

The slashdot effect, within seconds the server dies when the story is posted here.

Bluetooth cracking didnt make the list? (1, Offtopic)

hcmtnbiker (925661) | more than 6 years ago | (#21889470)

I'm surprised the bluetooth cracking didn't make this list. There's just something about being able to hijack bluetooth devices, or even say sniff out bluetooth keyboards for remote keylogging that just seems cool to me.

Re:Bluetooth cracking didnt make the list? (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21889520)

probably because this is the '07 list, not the '04 list.

Your bluetooth is being hijacked right now! (4, Funny)

DigitAl56K (805623) | more than 6 years ago | (#21890048)

Dude, your keyboard is being sniffed! I just saw everything you typed posted on the internet!!

Re:Bluetooth cracking didnt make the list? (1)

el americano (799629) | more than 6 years ago | (#21890276)

And yet they included the Wi-Fi hack that was simple over-the-air packet sniffing and cookie stealing, both of which are not new hacks. That was neither imaginative, nor crafty as promised. Pathetic list (on 6 pages, no less). Thank god it was only a top 5.

GPS (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21889492)

Car navigation systems have canged our lives for the better.

Driving has gone from a scary oddysey where I pray I don't miss some tiny sign to an easy journey that is boring at worst.

It's amazing how a little windshield mounted device can so change your life.

Re:GPS (3, Interesting)

GrEmLiN76X (1130251) | more than 6 years ago | (#21890040)

Yeah.. about that..

Didn't someone follow their GPS into a river or something recently?

Oh, maybe I'm thinking of the trucker who followed his GPS into a low bridge on a two-lane parkway that's for non-commercial vehicles only. People need to not rely so much on technology. (Especially while operating a motor vehicle which could potentially kill someone or cause damage to things..)

Re:GPS (3, Insightful)

peektwice (726616) | more than 6 years ago | (#21890124)

Not to mention the fact <citation needed> that most people drive their GPS enabled cars near their homes, and already know their way around. When they do venture out, it's usually to some place they've already been, and know well enough to navigate. GPSs foster insecurity and the inability to think analytically.
Go ahead, mod me down, Troll -1.

Re:GPS (4, Interesting)

iocat (572367) | more than 6 years ago | (#21890178)

My favorite GPS story was driving cross-country with a friend a few years ago. I was like "we should get Burger King." He was like "there's no Burger King around here. The closest place is a taco bell about 2.1 miles to our east." I was like "let's get Burger King" and he was like "I told you, there's no Burger King around here!" and I was like "Look up" so he did, and realized we were across the street from a Burger King. HAHAHA

GPS is better than a google map, becuase if you mess up there's some ability to recover, but it pales in comparison to actually being able to read a real map, or know your way around someplace. I love maps, and I like my GPS ok, but mostly because I like feeling superior when it's wrong.

Re:GPS (2, Insightful)

dave562 (969951) | more than 6 years ago | (#21891070)

it pales in comparison to actually being able to read a real map, or know your way around someplace.

I agree. Being able to find your way around a place and actually find a place on your own seem to engage a completely different part of the brain than simply following directions on a GPS. The only way I can describe it would be it's like the difference between "solving" a math problem by knowing the answer and working the steps to get it, versus actually having confidence in your knowledge of the steps and being able to apply them to solve the problem.

I think that GPS devices and automated directions tend to seriously supress one of our survival instincts. When you can always refer back to a cheat sheet, you never really develop true skill.

Now before I get a whole of responses from people saying, "I love my GPS but I can still find my way around." Keep in mind that you've only had a GPS for a few years and you spent probably decades doing things the old way. The new generations are the one who are danger of having their innate abilities dumbed down.

Re:GPS (2, Interesting)

rikkards (98006) | more than 6 years ago | (#21892718)

I concur. I found that was happening when I used to wear digital (numbered) watches. After about 10 years of pure digital, I ended up getting a nicer dress watch which had hands, I realized it took me about 5 seconds to remember how to read time. Since then I have only had watches with hands on it. Even though I always have a cell phone which will tell me the time, I find I feel naked without a watch.

Re:GPS (1)

somersault (912633) | more than 6 years ago | (#21894214)

You mean you can't tell the time from the position of the sun in the sky? Pfft.. kids these days relying on their fancy technology...

I kinda want a GPS just for the geek factor, but the fact is that road signs tend to be enough for me in intercity travel, and if I don't know the local area of the place I'm going to then I google(maps) it. Even when travelling around cities I know, I like to take random roads I've never taken before to find shortcuts. After playing computer games like GTA3 (which has a mini-map with an arrow telling you which direction to take, but not a GPS telling you exactly which road to take) and Test Drive Unlimited (which has a GPS feature which highlights the best roads), then I can confirm that I don't bother trying to remember the roads at all when using the GPS..

These devices all have their uses, but either they need to integrate all the knowledge that we personally get from roadsigns, and have it updated immediately (if there are accidents, etc), or people need to keep their wits about them too and make sure that they only use the GPS as a mobility aid rather than their primary source of information. In fact an AI system that drives itself and recognises road signs and road markings would probably be able to do better than some of the numpties that you hear about these days.. we already have self driving cars and good-enough optical recognition technologies, it's just that the potential lawsuits involved if someone gets run over by a robot car could get rather complicated/expensive.

Re:GPS (1)

Bill, Shooter of Bul (629286) | more than 6 years ago | (#21891804)

I don't know I love real maps and Google maps. With Google I have to upload the information into my head. I never print it out, I just create a mental map of how to get there what the place looks like from the air etc. Really good maps are expensive. I have one and use it, but its really only good for learning how to get different places, as in what are the different routes I could take to get from point A to Point B. Google helps me figure out where A and B are to begin with. I have both, use both, and love both. Its really like asking me which child I love more.

GPS is the red headed step child I keep locked in the attic. Everything it tells me is stupid, and it won't shut the heck up.

Is that you Harold? (1)

srussia (884021) | more than 6 years ago | (#21892580)

Say hi to Kumar for me.

Re:GPS (1)

Zaitor (946692) | more than 6 years ago | (#21894072)

I was like, and he was like......

When the did cheerleaders start reading and posting to /.

Oooh, Hi Satan, I see you are getting quite good on those ice-skates. You'll be doing triple Axel-jumps in no time.

Re:GPS (2, Interesting)

rmerry72 (934528) | more than 6 years ago | (#21891128)

GPSs foster insecurity and the inability to think analytically.

Mate you nailed it. I was once asked for directions to the nearest fast food joint, which was a couple of hundred metres down the main road and then right at the lights before the freeway. Easy peasy, right? No, not at all, the conversation followed along the lines of

  • "Hang on , what was that street? I've got GPS so it will tell me"
    "It's literally just left then right at the lights"
    "no, wait, my nav doesn't recognise the name. Can you spell it for me?"
    "i think its called - wait - Dude, turn left, drive 200 m, then right at the lights!
    "Did you say Heathcote Rd?"

Then I drove off and left her standing there. Wonder if she found it? shrug!

Re:GPS (1)

Hal_Porter (817932) | more than 6 years ago | (#21892006)

When the machines take over they will probably turn off civillian GPS just to create chaos. That and the Internet, mobile phones and the global financial system.

At least that's what I'll advise them to do. They'll probably need to keep a few human advisers around afterwards. Reward them well too, since they'll be far more food and booze per Adviser than there was per Human before the takeover.

So I do value posts like yours. In twenty years time, when I'm Baltar, this information is probably worth a robot truck packed full of Moet, hookers and blow.

Re:GPS (1)

rmerry72 (934528) | more than 6 years ago | (#21892298)

When the machines take over they will probably turn off civillian GPS just to create chaos. That and the Internet, mobile phones and the global financial system.

Actually I can't think of a better way of inciting chaos then leaving them on. How much more distracted and disconnected our society is this last decade thanx so much to these handy Innovations. Now that I think about your point, perhaps it was the machines that introduced them as a way of softening up and dumbing down the population.

In twenty years time I'll be reminding you of this post and I'll be asking for my divy as promised. The hookers better be quality or the Moet is going up your arse.

Re:GPS (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21890786)

I feel sorry for the next generation of drivers.
They won't know how to get from A to B without some sort of satnav system.

Yippie, another slashdigg toplist! (-1, Troll)

dotancohen (1015143) | more than 6 years ago | (#21889504)

Yippie, another slashdigg toplist! I fucking hate you!

In other news, last week I hacked a Nokia 6280 and Nokia 6288 to make a phone with the 6280's hardware (better buttons) with the 6288's software. It all went together almost perfectly, with just a bit of filing on one of the case covers. I have a lot of experience hacking shit together. [dotancohen.com]

Re:Yippie, another slashdigg toplist! (5, Funny)

log1385 (1199377) | more than 6 years ago | (#21889576)

Now all we need is a "Top Ten 'Top Ten Lists' of 2007!"

Re:Yippie, another slashdigg toplist! (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21889798)

10? Here's 20 of them:

http://lifehacker.com/338970/twenty-top-10s-of-2007 [lifehacker.com]

Re:Yippie, another slashdigg toplist! (1)

Aaron5367 (1049126) | more than 6 years ago | (#21892934)

-1, Disturbing

Re:Yippie, another slashdigg toplist! (1)

krunchyfrog (786414) | more than 6 years ago | (#21889996)

I would like to see a Top 10 list of the 10 servers that burnt into flames the fastest due to slashdot/digg effects.

Re:Yippie, another slashdigg toplist! (2, Funny)

Jarjarthejedi (996957) | more than 6 years ago | (#21890808)

Actually I've seen a few of those already. What we really need is a Top Ten 'Top Ten' "Top Ten lists".

Re:Yippie, another slashdigg toplist! (1)

darthflo (1095225) | more than 6 years ago | (#21892524)

What about ten of those, united in a Top Ten 'Top Ten 'Top Ten 'Top Ten lists''' list with laser beams attached to it's head?

Re:Yippie, another slashdigg toplist! (1)

argiedot (1035754) | more than 6 years ago | (#21892974)

Bah, all this decimal crap is getting to me. I'm waiting for the Top F hacks list.

Re:Yippie, another slashdigg toplist! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21891914)

And the top list on the "Top Ten 'Top Ten Lists' of 2007!" will have a link to itself, recurring infinitely. Either that or the lists will link back and forth. It's like a narcissistic nightmare.

Already slashdotted (1)

Dryanta (978861) | more than 6 years ago | (#21889506)

Anybody have an alternative link?

Re:Already slashdotted (1)

rts008 (812749) | more than 6 years ago | (#21889666)

Had no trouble reaching the 'print' version here:http://www.darkreading.com/document.asp?doc_id=142127&print=true [darkreading.com]

all pages on one page. coralized print version (3, Informative)

Virgil Tibbs (999791) | more than 6 years ago | (#21889950)

Print version on coral cache. theres no pictures anyway. everything on one page. no ads

http://www.darkreading.com.nyud.net/document.asp?doc_id=142127&print=true [nyud.net]

one up.

Re:all pages on one page. coralized print version (1)

rts008 (812749) | more than 6 years ago | (#21892458)

Thanks for the info.
I have not explored coral cache yet, but now I will. :) (I have heard of it, but until recently it has not been an issue for me....times change.)

BTW,I was just trying to help in my own modest way.

I, for one, welcome our new hacking overlords (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21889570)

I, for one, welcome our new hacking overlords

site slashdotted... (5, Funny)

Orthuberra (1145497) | more than 6 years ago | (#21889650)

or was it hacked???

Re:site slashdotted... (4, Funny)

ozmanjusri (601766) | more than 6 years ago | (#21889876)

or was it hacked???

It's IIS.

Re:site slashdotted... (2, Funny)

Silver Gryphon (928672) | more than 6 years ago | (#21891726)

So... hack-and-slashed?

Congratulations... (0)

Acid-Duck (228035) | more than 6 years ago | (#21889662)

You've been slashdotted!

Financial systems? Nothing new there (5, Interesting)

mcsqueak (1043736) | more than 6 years ago | (#21889682)

This isn't quite a real "hack", but more of a "social hack" if you will.

In 1967 Abbie Hoffman and a group of protesters thew fake money onto the floor of the NYSE (it wasn't blocked by glass back then). Trading on the floor *actually stopped* while traders scrambled around trying to collect the money. Kinda ironic that they'd stop to do that, considering how much more they were actually making doing their real trading. Wikipedia has a little bit on it: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abbie_Hoffman [wikipedia.org] . I don't really know much about Hoffman, but I found the story very amusing myself.

Re:Financial systems? Nothing new there (4, Interesting)

Dun Malg (230075) | more than 6 years ago | (#21890166)

This isn't quite a real "hack", but more of a "social hack" if you will.

In 1967 Abbie Hoffman and a group of protesters thew fake money onto the floor of the NYSE (it wasn't blocked by glass back then). Trading on the floor *actually stopped* while traders scrambled around trying to collect the money. Kinda ironic that they'd stop to do that, considering how much more they were actually making doing their real trading. Wikipedia has a little bit on it: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abbie_Hoffman [wikipedia.org] . I don't really know much about Hoffman, but I found the story very amusing myself.

Eh. I think AH was a really sharp and entertaining dude, but the irony everyone thinks they see there, isn't actually there. Hoffman was making a political statement, that stock trading was just a bunch of money grubbing. Really, those schulbs working the floor trading all those stocks were trading for other people. They weren't all millionaire stock holders. There's no irony behind a $8K/yr floor trader who lives in a fifth floor walk-up studio apartment grabbing at dollar bills in 1967. Five bucks in 1967 was a month of lunches at the hot dog cart outside.

Seems a bit cheap... (2, Insightful)

Chris Pimlott (16212) | more than 6 years ago | (#21890454)

Really, those schulbs working the floor trading all those stocks were trading for other people. They weren't all millionaire stock holders. There's no irony behind a $8K/yr floor trader who lives in a fifth floor walk-up studio apartment grabbing at dollar bills in 1967. Five bucks in 1967 was a month of lunches at the hot dog cart outside.
Do you have some sources for that? 8K/year? I get that as about $48K/year adjusted for inflation. Of course they're not the millionaire tycoons themselves, but surely the stockholders wouldn't want to trust deals worth hundreds of thousands of dollars and more to people who weren't highly skilled and thus paid commensurately.

Re:Seems a bit cheap... (1)

MobileTatsu-NJG (946591) | more than 6 years ago | (#21891882)

Do you have some sources for that? 8K/year? I get that as about $48K/year adjusted for inflation. Of course they're not the millionaire tycoons themselves, but surely the stockholders wouldn't want to trust deals worth hundreds of thousands of dollars and more to people who weren't highly skilled and thus paid commensurately.
Not-really-related-question: Was the economy different enough back then that somebody making $48k/equiv. could, for example, buy a house?

I'm just asking. I'm under the impression that inflation doesn't always coincide with cost of living.

Re:Seems a bit cheap... (1)

catxk (1086945) | more than 6 years ago | (#21892596)

I'm just asking. I'm under the impression that inflation doesn't always coincide with cost of living.
It does. Otherwise there's something wrong with the inflation measurement method being used.

Re:Seems a bit cheap... (1)

pla (258480) | more than 6 years ago | (#21892610)

Was the economy different enough back then that somebody making $48k/equiv. could, for example, buy a house?

I make in that range now, and can afford really quite a nice house in my area, on land measured in "acres" rather than square feet, with a 20% downpayment (so no playing along with the PMI scam!) and basically optimal terms on a 15-year note.

I won't call myself "upper" middle class, but if you'd sneeze at $48k, get the hell out of the cities - Better for your wallet, your health, and your soul.

Re:Seems a bit cheap... (1)

theelectron (973857) | more than 6 years ago | (#21893990)

I second you comment. I've known far too many people who left the local area to work somewhere that paid 50% more just for the extra money, but the cost of living in that area was 2 or 3 times more there. These are college graduates that took a cut in their standard of living simply for more money. I mean, these are supposed to be smart people, but what the heck? Is this common outside of America too?

Re:Financial systems? Nothing new there (2, Informative)

rfunches (800928) | more than 6 years ago | (#21891158)

Specialists (the people who help match buyers and sellers in floor trading) can make seven figures [ibtimes.com] and the average salary of a securities industry worker in NYC is nearly $300k [64.233.169.104] .

Re:Financial systems? Nothing new there (1)

hughk (248126) | more than 6 years ago | (#21892224)

A specialist actually has to provide liquidity, which means they are under obligation to always be able to quote a stock (for buy or sell) where they are specializing within a specified time and the quote must remain valid for a set period of time. For this, you take on a whole lot of risk. To a certain extent, the issuers help you out as a liquidity provider

In any case there is a huge spread within the securities industry with the outriders like certain heads of desks making up to $20M in one year but most others in the $150K-200K range, which sounds good but not so much when you look into the hours and the pressure. However bonuses shouldn't be so good this year particularly in light of the credit derivatives meltdown.

Re:Financial systems? Nothing new there (1)

locokamil (850008) | more than 6 years ago | (#21890392)

It sounds terrifying: FIX hacking in financial systems. The problem is that it assumes that this information goes over the public internet. In almost 99 out of a 100 cases, this isn't the case. If a company can afford to directly deal with a stock exchange, it can most certainly afford a private line into the stock exchange, thus doing away with the hullabaloo over session hijacking and malicious interception.

Re:Financial systems? Nothing new there (2, Interesting)

hughk (248126) | more than 6 years ago | (#21892294)

I know more than a little about this. Traditionally exchange members have used leased data circuits between them and the exchange. This gives predictable performance, particularly around price delivery and execution time. However leased circuits remain expensive. These days an institution tends to be a member of multiple exchanges. They will continue to use circuits for the markets where they execute at high volume but for other markets they may typically use an Internet connection and FIX. The older exchanges tend to use closed protocols and some at least have session authentication and encryption. Newer exchanges, typically alternate trading facilities such as Chi-X and so on have moved to FIX with its attendant problems. Although fixed links are more predictable, they also require at least doubling up because they can fail. The difference between the fixed link and the Internet is that you only need redundancy as far as your ISPs rather than the entire journey.

The real problem starts when I'm a smaller broker in NY and somebody asks me to buy some NOK (Nokia) shares. These are listed in the US on the NYSE and Europe. Maybe Europe offers a better price at the volume my customer wants so I need to get the order over to XETRA (a Frankfurt based trading system). The way they do it is to contact a broker in Europe and pass the order onto them for execution. Your link with that broker is via the Internet and the FIX protocol. When you only issue a couple of orders a week, you are not going to pay for your own link to XETRA or even to the XETRA member.

Yes, I am aware of the world of pain around the trading links and sensible banks/brokers will carefully build the interconnected systems in a DMZ. Most FIX engines are closed source but there is at least one that is truely open. A good institution will use VPN or STUNNEL to establish their links, but many don't.

Re:Financial systems? Nothing new there (1)

locokamil (850008) | more than 6 years ago | (#21892978)

Good point. My background is with larger financial firms, so I may be slightly (read: very) blinkered when it comes to the problems facing smaller companies.

That said, it seems to me though that the problems with FIX can be made to go away by just mandating that all transaction occur over a VPN or SSH. It's better than nothing, costs little or nothing, and will probably get rid of these kinds of alarmist year-end stories.

Hacking what now..? (5, Funny)

ricebowl (999467) | more than 6 years ago | (#21889694)

"Nothing was sacred to hackers in '07 -- not cars, not truckers..."

Somebody hacked a trucker? Holy hell...I hope never to see that one documented Hackaday [hackaday.com] .

3. Eighteen-wheelers (5, Interesting)

FudRucker (866063) | more than 6 years ago | (#21889744)

when i drove an 18 wheeler i hauled a some very expensive loads, once i picked up a load of Macintosh computers from Apple's Sacramento's warehouse and hauled them to Omaha Nebraska, another time i picked up wine (the kind you can drink) in several locations in northern California and hauled them to Little Rock Arkansas, thats just two examples, the Macs were the most expensive, (i bet there were close to half a million dollars worth of freight in Macs) when Apple was loading those Macs they told me to only stop at well lighted truck stops & stay away from roadside rest areas and given me a designated route along with the bill of lading...

Re:3. Eighteen-wheelers (3, Funny)

MichaelSmith (789609) | more than 6 years ago | (#21889808)

told me to only stop at well lighted truck stops & stay away from roadside rest areas

You would think that for half a million dollars they would pay someone to follow you and take care of the load.

given me a designated route

Ahh maybe they did.

Re:3. Eighteen-wheelers (1)

FudRucker (866063) | more than 6 years ago | (#21889980)

RE:["You would think that for half a million dollars they would pay someone to follow you and take care of the load."]

i would not doubt it, at the time i was not looking for anyone following, with that kind of value in merchandise i could understand if they did, people have been killed for far less...

Re:3. Eighteen-wheelers (1)

Patrik_AKA_RedX (624423) | more than 6 years ago | (#21892082)

i would not doubt it, at the time i was not looking for anyone following, with that kind of value in merchandise i could understand if they did, people have been killed for far less...
You didn't notice me taking care of that roadgang, didn't hear the chainguns and explosions? Damn you're not easly waken are you? Well, good work never gets noticed if you're a corporate ninja.

Re:3. Eighteen-wheelers (2, Interesting)

lufo (949075) | more than 6 years ago | (#21889906)

When my flatmate bought his new iMac, they told him they really didn't know the date the truck would be ready for delivery, because Apple didn't tell even them (the store staff) the exact date the truck was arriving.

Re:3. Eighteen-wheelers (5, Interesting)

gyrogeerloose (849181) | more than 6 years ago | (#21890038)

Former long-haul Big Truck driver here, too (I still drive one locally on occasion), and I often carried high-value loads. One time I hauled a load of cell phones from Texas to California and Motorola paid to have a pair of former FBI agents in a black Lincoln Towncar tail me the entire way. I was driving as part of a team then so there were no stops except for fuel. I was put off by the idea it at first--what, you don't trust me?--but after a while, it made me feel safe. That long stretch of two-lane between Ft. Worth and Amarillo seems pretty remote at 0200...

Re:3. Eighteen-wheelers (1)

Bender0x7D1 (536254) | more than 6 years ago | (#21890068)

$500k seems a little low for an entire load of Apple products.

Even at a single level deep, (no stacking), you could get about 300 iMacs on a trailer. Call it 15 wide and about 20 deep. If it was laptops, this would be higher - call it 20 wide and 25 deep, for 500 total. Call it a mix of both and we get about 400 units. If we call it an average of $1k each, this is already $400k. Since the lowest retail on these products is about $1k, I figure calling the average value $1k is close enough.

Now, if we start stacking systems 2 or 3 high, and throwing in iPods and accessories with a higher cost/volume ratio, you were probably rolling with well over $1 million in Apple products. Now, that's just a guess, but probably a reasonable estimate.

Re:3. Eighteen-wheelers (4, Insightful)

The One and Only (691315) | more than 6 years ago | (#21890324)

Sure, but think about risk management. It may not be the smartest option to have a 1 million dollar truck driving around when you could have 2 500,000 dollar trucks taking different routes in case one gets ambushed by the mafia.

Re:3. Eighteen-wheelers (1)

cbart387 (1192883) | more than 6 years ago | (#21892896)

Al Gore would eat you alive if you heard that ... and frankly it looks like he's done it before.

Re:3. Eighteen-wheelers (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21890746)

You forgot all the space taken up by the fruity packaging that those mac fagbois love so much.

Re:3. Eighteen-wheelers (1)

MerlynEmrys67 (583469) | more than 6 years ago | (#21891946)

Don't forget Apple's 50% margin - so 1M retail worth of Apple hardware is actually worth 1/2M to apple

Re:3. Eighteen-wheelers (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21890560)

> given me a designated route along with the bill of lading...

I've heard about job perks but getting free lads is a bit to much

Re:3. Eighteen-wheelers (1)

hughk (248126) | more than 6 years ago | (#21892314)

Small items that can be readily resold are readily targetable. Of corse, the real value would be to hijack a load of CPU chips, preferably in OEM rather than retail packaging. Certainly a higher value by weight than gold and generally not so well protected. I seem to remember that there were alerts about certain CPU serial numbers before that came from hijacked loads.

Re:3. Eighteen-wheelers (1)

Insightfill (554828) | more than 6 years ago | (#21894210)

another time i picked up wine (the kind you can drink)

Only on Slashdot do you need to to qualify the word "wine" in that manner!

Number one is FUD (5, Interesting)

mi (197448) | more than 6 years ago | (#21889814)

RDS-TMC provides broadcasts on traffic conditions, accidents, and detours for the driver. It's main weakness: It doesn't authenticate where the traffic comes from, the researchers say. That leaves the door wide open for a bad guy to reroute drivers to a detour, or to overwhelm it with a DDOS, killing the navigation system as well as its climate-control system and stereo. [...] There's not much you can do until it's too late and your AC and stereo are out, and you're sitting on a hot and dusty, deserted road nowhere near Starbucks.

Uhm, bullshit. The worst this attack can do is to either

  1. shut the electronics down completely — in which case you'll know, something is wrong long before the last Starbucks is out of sight
  2. fool your GPS into believing, there is some sort of interference (accident, jam) ahead, which will simply cause the device to pick an alternate (and sub-optimal) route. You will not be lost, you'll just arrive later.

In neither case does Kelly's mother need to be concerned with "how a hacker could redirect her brand-new car navigation system to a deserted dead end street far from her intended destination." For that one needs to be able to pretend to be a group of satellites. This possibility the article does not cover — either due to the (mentioned) lack of imagination (on behalf of the author itself), or because it is not really possible (because Pentagon's designers of the system thought about it first, maybe).

Re:Number one is FUD (0, Offtopic)

ricebowl (999467) | more than 6 years ago | (#21889870)

...because [the] Pentagon's designers of the system thought about it first, maybe...

You must be new here...

Yeah, I saw your user-id...it's just I've been wanting to use that meme myself for so long...Since I was a little boy...

Re:Number one is FUD (2, Insightful)

mangu (126918) | more than 6 years ago | (#21889882)

shut the electronics down completely in which case you'll know, something is wrong long before the last Starbucks is out of sight

Better have a diesel engine in this case. Nothing electric to be hacked.

Re:Number one is FUD (5, Informative)

gyrogeerloose (849181) | more than 6 years ago | (#21890146)

Better have a diesel engine in this case. Nothing electric to be hacked.

Actually, modern diesels are as computer-driven as gasoline engines. Maybe even more so in the case of large trucks--on every 18-wheeler I've driven in the past ten years, there was no physical linkage between the accelerator pedal ("the hammer," in trucker's lingo) and the engine. Instead, there was a digital position sensor and a multi-conductor cable that fed data to the ECU. All the gauges on the instrument panel were computer-controlled as well.

Re:Number one is FUD (1)

bhtooefr (649901) | more than 6 years ago | (#21890656)

A 1980's diesel. Modern diesels have just as much electronics as modern gasoline engines.

Re:Number one is FUD (1)

Dun Malg (230075) | more than 6 years ago | (#21891344)

Better have a diesel engine in this case. Nothing electric to be hacked.
Are you just repeating something someone once told you, or was the last diesel engine you looked at 20 years old? You ever seen the control system for a Volkswagen TDi Diesel? It's non trivial, and very electronic. Modern automotive diesel engines are a lot more complicated than they used to be.

Re:Number one is FUD (1)

hksdot (1128515) | more than 6 years ago | (#21891252)

So it would be unlikely that you could get the device to route someone to a dead-end, but given enough detours you could conceivably route the driver to a remote throughway. Or, if you figured out that what the GPS map is inaccurate, you might be able to route them to a dead-end, anyway.

Re:Number one is FUD (1)

Barny (103770) | more than 6 years ago | (#21891638)

More to the point, cause them to detour over and over till they are on a remote, unpopulated road, then hit them with the DoS, once their GPS is dead, they are miles from any recognizable road with no GPS to get them home.

Bonus points for making a cheap cell phone dampener, putting some magnets on it, and tossing it onto the side of their car.

Re:Number one is FUD (2, Insightful)

ColdSam (884768) | more than 6 years ago | (#21892318)

fool your GPS into believing, there is some sort of interference (accident, jam) ahead, which will simply cause the device to pick an alternate (and sub-optimal) route. You will not be lost, you'll just arrive later.
Why is it infeasible to insert a bogus traffic delay designed to divert drivers off a main highway in a remote area so the cars could easily be jacked? If there are 4 guys with guns waiting at a stop sign because you got off the interstate, I'd say that new route is pretty darn sub-optimal.

RDS-TMC vs GPS (1)

camperdave (969942) | more than 6 years ago | (#21894224)

Let me give you a "crash course" in how in car navigation systems function. All GPS does is use the relative arrival time of a number of satellite transmissions to compute a latitude and longitude. Once the in car navigation system has the latitude and longitude, it can look up a map on it's internal database (remember those map packages that you have to buy) and display a map. Once the unit knows where you are and where you want to go, it can compute a course. The RDS (radio data system) system is what modern car stereo systems use to display the name of the song that's playing. The RDS-TMC system is merely an extension to RDS for providing traffic info. It is a simple FM broadcast, and does not require a satellite. The Nav system uses the RDS-TMC data to determine which roads are congested, and plot a route around them. This hack works by broadcasting spoofed RDS-TMC data from a low power transmitter.

THIS IS GOA)TSEX (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21889946)

A sad wo8ld. At [goat.cx]

Prediction for 2008 hacks... (5, Funny)

YU5333021 (1093141) | more than 6 years ago | (#21890052)

No.1 hack for 2008 will be the new electronic passports as discussed in the previous Slashdot discussion.

No.2 will be the the voting machines, but that only gets a second place because it's a dupe from 4 years ago.

No.3 will be the poor truckers again. We should really revert back from robotic drivers.

and No.4 will be slashdot's grammar and spelling checking engine, although this will be done in a fairly low-tech manner. The ten submission monkeys will be poisoned and their typewriters tinkered with...

The iPhone hack was a little funny IMO... (5, Insightful)

DigitAl56K (805623) | more than 6 years ago | (#21890100)

I personally have to smirk at the Apple brigade who on one hand spent the year touting everything Apple as more secure, and on the other hand rushed to jailbreak their iPhones by simply viewing a web page embedding a malformed image.

Re:The iPhone hack was a little funny IMO... (1)

Hal_Porter (817932) | more than 6 years ago | (#21892160)

Damn right, given that Safari is a relatively conservative browser in terms of feature. IE 7.0 supports loads of crazy stuff like ActiveX but it's actually doing quite well in terms of vulnerabilities. And it runs in a jail like special low privilege process too now, so exploits are harder to actually exploit.

Mind you, I still use Opera on Windows, since it is conservative feature wise, has fewer unfixed vulnerabilities than IE or FF, and is a less interesting target due to its low market share. Though I don't know if it can run in a "Protected Mode" jail on Vista. It probably should do.

Re:The iPhone hack was a little funny IMO... (1)

TheThiefMaster (992038) | more than 6 years ago | (#21892780)

You know, there's a "protected mode" -like thing in xp too, it goes like this:

Make sure "Secondary Logon" (service) is enabled.
Create a shortcut to whatever app you'd like to jail.
Go to the shortcut's properties, "Advanced..."
Tick on "Run with different credentials"
OK OK
When you run the program through the shortcut, it will prompt you whether to run the program as yourself but with significantly reduced permissions (default) or as another user (useful to run programs as Administrator if you're not).

You can get the same dialog by right-clicking on the program/shortcut and choosing "run as" instead of "open".

It's a bit of a hassle to go through, and I don't know how secure it is.

Re:The iPhone hack was a little funny IMO... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21892888)

hell, you can basically duplicate most of a "chroot + systrace" type environment in windows (nt5+), if you mess about enough with reduced-priviledge user accounts and the policy editor (not that most apps will work properly, mind).

My next project (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21890394)

"... built tools for hacking satellite-based navigation systems that use Radio Data System-Traffic Message Channel (RDS-TMC) to receive traffic broadcasts and emergency messages ... The researchers tested their hardware and software tools with a one- to five-kilometer radius of the targeted vehicles, but they say an attacker could target a specific vehicle by adding a directional antenna, for instance ..."

I think I'm going to invest some effort in this, and build a system that allows me to send messages to the NAV display of other vehicles to say things like:

"Pull the fuck out of the fast lane jackass."

or

"Turn your goddamned high beams off you stupid sack of shit."

Re:My next project (1)

Skrynesaver (994435) | more than 6 years ago | (#21892338)

I want one, I want one now!

Radar detectors have had "safety alerts" for years (1)

vinn01 (178295) | more than 6 years ago | (#21890666)

RDS-TMC, which provides broadcasts (traffic conditions, accidents, etc.) is nothing new. Radar detectors have had "safety alerts" (emergency vehicles, road hazards, and trains) for years. It's the same technololgy. The difference is that the goverment organizations didn't support the feature in radar detectors (used by law breakers) but then supported the feature in navigational systems (used by honest folks).

There was never any authentication of the "safety alerts". I suppose anyone could play some tricks with bogus messages, but I think that the threat is overblown in the article.

I thought this was a cool hack (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21890854)

Spotted in Sydney and posted to youtube:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ECoA8pi9Rmk [youtube.com]

A road-side advisory sign.

About the eighteen-wheeler one... (2, Funny)

Viceroy Potatohead (954845) | more than 6 years ago | (#21891138)

I don't know if the EPCs would be encrypted, but I seriously doubt it. Anyone know? Because if they're not, I'd hardly consider that a hack. They were broadcasting their information unencrypted. Reading it is no more of a hack, in that situation, than turning on your radio. DIY, homebrew, sure. But not a hack. If the EPCs were encrypted, that's different, but it probably wouldn't make any sense to do so. Making your electronic barcodes secret strikes me as kind of silly.

On a side note, I have compiled a list of the most uncool hacks since 2003. Here is my list:

1. Nickelback.

they forgot something.... (1)

devidebyzero (1160701) | more than 6 years ago | (#21891322)

should list 5 coolest hackers also. now thats a culture.

Czech TV hacked (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21892932)

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