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Paramount to Drop HD DVD?

CmdrTaco posted more than 6 years ago | from the this-might-be-it-folks dept.

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zeromemory writes "The Financial Times reports that " Paramount is poised to drop its support of HD DVD after Warner Brothers' recent backing of Sony's Blu-ray technology, in a move that will sound the death knell of HD DVD and bring the home entertainment format war to a definitive end." According to the Times, Warner Brother's recent defection to Blu-Ray allowed Paramount to terminate their exclusive relationship with HD DVD. Universal Studios remains the only major studio to exclusively support the HD DVD format, though rumors have surfaced that their contract may also contain a termination provision similar to that exercised by Paramount."

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GET IN (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21953140)

GET IN THE SPROUSE MOOUSE.

Seems like HD-DVD is dead (1)

morgan_greywolf (835522) | more than 6 years ago | (#21953144)

No, this is not a troll. It's just that with all of the major studios hopping to Blu Ray, well, let's just say that content often drives adoption rates for new formats. Looks like Sony wins this one.

Re:Seems like HD-DVD is dead (2, Informative)

oahazmatt (868057) | more than 6 years ago | (#21953238)

Looks like Sony wins this one.
I used to think the same thing, until I read this comment [slashdot.org] and realized it was not just a Sony product.

Re:Seems like HD-DVD is dead (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21953552)

That is a list of who decides what the format is, NOT who collects royalties on every disc sold... that list is much shorter (Sony collects the largest piece). So, Yes it is a Sony format. Supporting Blu-Ray is supporting Sony.

Re:Seems like HD-DVD is dead (2, Interesting)

Iphtashu Fitz (263795) | more than 6 years ago | (#21953360)

Looks like Sony wins this one.

I guess it's about time they won one of these format wars after the failures of their memory sticks, mini disks, DAT, etc.

Re:Seems like HD-DVD is dead (5, Funny)

LarsWestergren (9033) | more than 6 years ago | (#21953384)

Looks like Sony wins this one.

A more positive way to view it is that Microsoft lost! :)

Besides, as others have pointed out, lots of companies were behind Bluray, not just Sony.

Re:Seems like HD-DVD is dead (1)

yog (19073) | more than 6 years ago | (#21953768)

another positive is that now we can hope for new, standardized high density optical disks for computers. With makers such as TDK offering 100 gigabyte write-once disks [blu-ray.com] and many others starting at 25 gigs, we finally have a backup medium that is up to the task of modern needs. I, like many other power users, have two internal 500G hard disks and an external 500G USB drive, and a 4G DVD-R just doesn't cut it anymore. My family pictures and video clips alone come to about 40G. More to the point, businesses will benefit from faster and cheaper backups of their database/web servers.

As Forbes points out [forbes.com] , Sony still has its work cut out for it, but it sounds like Toshiba's format has lost the battle. I'm very relieved (even though I don't plan to buy a whole lot of high def movies in the near future). The big news here is that we can now standardize on a new level of storage density, and watching sharper movies is just a nice extra.

Re:Seems like HD-DVD is dead (2, Insightful)

oliverthered (187439) | more than 6 years ago | (#21953788)

a less positive way to view it is that HD-DVD is easier to copy than blu-ray.

looks like the chances of getting a next gen dvd player for linux are out the window.

Re:Seems like HD-DVD is dead (1)

Gnitset (1204106) | more than 6 years ago | (#21954126)

Besides, as others have pointed out, lots of companies were behind Bluray, not just Sony.

Just now, atleast in sweden, the Sony PS3 is the cheapest BlueRay player

So I would say that Sony is the winner

Re:Seems like HD-DVD is dead (5, Insightful)

igb (28052) | more than 6 years ago | (#21953562)

I don't think the death of HD-DVD (even if it happened) would be a victory for Blu-Ray. All those pissed-off HD-DVD customers, the general ``HD video is a good way to get ripped off'' buzz, in a tightening economy, spells trouble. DCC was `beaten' by MiniDisc, but in the end it was a pyhric victory.

Re:Seems like HD-DVD is dead (1)

toleraen (831634) | more than 6 years ago | (#21953922)

True, but how many people do you know that were waiting for one format to win before buying? Pretty much everyone I know was waiting, and every time this topic comes up there are dozens of posts saying the same.

Seems like this is a war not worth winning (4, Insightful)

podperson (592944) | more than 6 years ago | (#21953672)

I wonder if -- and indeed expect that -- the victory will prove Pyrrhic.

Gates famously said this would be the last format far. I think that it will prove to be the last plus one. Most people are going to be uninterested in buying video in a locked format; unless blu-rays allow you to play your videos on a generic DVD player, rip your video into your computer, play your video on your PSP, iPod, iPhone, or whatever, not enough people will want them to generate economies of scale.

I suspect that 1080 will turn out to be a mere stepping stone to arbitarily large screen resolutions. DVD, VHS, etc. all targeted an otherwise very stable market of equipment: NTSC televisions and stereo (or even mono) audio. The old CE companies have tried to create a new ecology (HD TV + Surround sound) but the real ecology is much more complex and diverse (PCs, laptops, cellphones, iPods, and stuff we haven't even dreamed of yet) and it's not going to stay even vaguely stable for long enough for a deeply flawed and mistargeted technology to gain traction.

Yawn (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21953150)

Since the time this news was in the firehose till now... we are now discussing green-ray vs MegaHD-DVD. The old war is over.

Re:Yawn (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21953376)

Clearly, MegaHD-DVD would win. (Hint: You're going the wrong way on the spectrum.)

Re:Yawn (2, Funny)

michrech (468134) | more than 6 years ago | (#21953686)

MegaHD-DVD? Crap.. I'm still using my HHDD-DDVVDD player...

I can never keep up.. :(

Clearly, MegaHD-DVD would win. (Hint: You're going the wrong way on the spectrum.)

already denied by paramount (5, Informative)

Jesus_Corpse (190811) | more than 6 years ago | (#21953160)

Paramount already denied this:

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601101&sid=aQMGgh2LV_bU&refer=japan [bloomberg.com]

There's only a clausule that it is permitted for Paramount to drop hd-dvd if they think it's needed.

Re:already denied by paramount (1)

AndGodSed (968378) | more than 6 years ago | (#21953278)

Okay but Toshiba still took a hit on their stocks, and Sony scored.

Toshiba's shares fell 0.1 percent to close at 782 yen on the Tokyo Stock Exchange after dropping as much as 1.3 percent. Sony's stock rose 3.4 percent.

So now, would you go buy Toshiba stock at the better price, or wait it out to see if Paramount in the end does as has been speculated...

Re:already denied by paramount (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21953882)

Toshiba's shares fell 0.1 percent . . . So now, would you go buy Toshiba stock at the better price

0.1 percent is not a significant change. Most people would consider that the same as no change.

Re:already denied by paramount (3, Interesting)

LarsWestergren (9033) | more than 6 years ago | (#21953474)

Paramount already denied this:

There has been a blitz of these "the war is over, HD DVD is doomed" stories last couple of days, and sites post them very uncritically. Same with political "assassinations" online, doesn't matter how many times they are refuted, the lies live on and will probably enter the history books one day.

Re:already denied by paramount (3, Insightful)

ribuck (943217) | more than 6 years ago | (#21953690)

Paramount's spokeswoman said "Paramount's current plan is to continue to support the HD DVD format".

That doesn't sound like a denial at all. That just sounds like they haven't announced any changes yet, so of course it's their "current plan". We already knew that it was their "current plan".

Paramount Denies (5, Informative)

quantumplacet (1195335) | more than 6 years ago | (#21953176)

Paramount had denied this allegation. http://www.computerandvideogames.com/article.php?id=178864 [computeran...ogames.com]

Re:Paramount Denies (4, Insightful)

DrXym (126579) | more than 6 years ago | (#21953298)

The statement says "Paramount's current plan is to continue to support the HD DVD format". It's a weak denial and pretty ambiguous. The way it is worded they could easily change their minds tomorrow or even go neutral. I would expect HD DVD studios to be issuing stronger statements than that if they were actually committed to the format.

Oh geez. (2, Insightful)

Viewsonic (584922) | more than 6 years ago | (#21953844)

They denied it, pure and simple. Just because someone can do something doesn't mean they're going to. How about instead of ignoring their denial, you take it for face value until, you know, they actually do it. Until then, the rest of the world will be waiting for sub $100 Blu-Ray players before we even think about jumping on this train.

Re:Oh geez. (1, Troll)

DrXym (126579) | more than 6 years ago | (#21954102)

They denied it in a weak and ambiguous manner. If Paramount were supporters of HD DVD all the way, why didn't they say as much? Why issue such a limp wristed statement which is open to interpretation. As I said, their statement doesn't preclude going neutral which may as well as be the same as killing support for HD DVD entirely.

Dateline July 2007 - (2, Funny)

the_skywise (189793) | more than 6 years ago | (#21953194)

Paramount announces that HD-DVD is where it's at. Paramount CEO gives himself a big raise and pat on the back for his intelligence and insight.

Dateline Jan 2008 -
Paramount announces that Blu-Ray is where it's at. Paramount CEO gives himself a big raise and pat on the back for his intelligence and insight.

Re:Dateline July 2007 - (1)

elrous0 (869638) | more than 6 years ago | (#21953370)

Actually, it proibably WAS the smart thing to do, since it likely earned them TWO payoffs, one [gizmodo.com] from HD-DVD last year and probably one from Blu-ray this time around (similar to the one Warner just got) [formatwarcentral.com]

'Get out clause" (2, Interesting)

Aladrin (926209) | more than 6 years ago | (#21953204)

That's one of the weirdest clauses I've ever heard of... I wonder how truly useful it is, and if Universal really has it as well.

And I'm wondering if they -really- care. Most of their movie sales are going to still be DVD anyhow. And the exclusive contract won't be in effect forever, especially if HD-DVD throws in the towel. I think the most harmful thing would be if they were forced to release all their movies on HD-DVD even knowing they won't sell.

IMHO, the format war is far from over, anyhow. HD DVD players are half the price of the Bluray players, and that means a -lot-, especially while the market is just forming. There are -very- few people buying their second high def player. Almost every player sold is to a new household.

And as far as I can tell, they are getting out of their 'exclusive' contract, but that doesn't mean they'll flop the other way. They might just produce discs for both now.

Re:'Get out clause" (1)

rucs_hack (784150) | more than 6 years ago | (#21953372)

IMHO, the format war is far from over, anyhow. HD DVD players are half the price of the Bluray players, and that means a -lot-

Half price for a player that only works with a format most major movie studio's don't support? Actually, it means nothing at all. Half price for a device you can't get new films for is 100% too much money. The way things are going, no film studio will suppoort it soon, I was expecting Warner Brothers would be only the first of many, and here we are with Paramount following.

Where I live there are no HD-DVD discs on sale at all. Its all Blu Ray, and has been for a while. It's all people want to buy.

Re:'Get out clause" (1)

pnewhook (788591) | more than 6 years ago | (#21953900)

IMHO, the format war is far from over, anyhow. HD DVD players are half the price of the Bluray players, and that means a -lot-, especially while the market is just forming. There are -very- few people buying their second high def player. Almost every player sold is to a new household.

Forget second HD player. I and everyone I know are just waiting for the format war to be over before jumping to hi-def at all. I'm hoping Paramount does jump because one format will be chosen once and for all (for the next few years anyway) and I can finally go out an purchase a player..

Is this really the end -yes -or no -or maybe? (3, Insightful)

AndGodSed (968378) | more than 6 years ago | (#21953210)

Warners decision last week to throw its weight behind Blu-ray saw it join Walt Disney, 20th Century Fox and Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer as backers of the Sony format.

Some big players in the market there.

The Warners move gives Blu-ray about 70 per cent of Hollywood's output, although the format's grip on film content will increase further when Paramount comes aboard.

The words "grip on film content" makes me feel all cornered.

Re:Is this really the end -yes -or no -or maybe? (1)

BrentH (1154987) | more than 6 years ago | (#21953808)

It's the same 'grip' TV's have on the movie-industry, there's simply no other way to view them than through /some/ tube from /some/ data carrier. The fact that it's BluRay is technically hardly different from any other format, so no reason to get paranoid. Movies will still be ripped and unprotected Blu-Ray movies are still perfectly possible. Also hard drive space is so cheap nowadays that bypassing discs altogether is a piece of cake. The music industry is slowly seeing the light of unprotected mp3's, and I'm convinced these ridiculous protection scemes on BR will go largely unused or will become easiliy bypassed (actuallu, it pretty much already is), just like happened with DVD, just like what happened to each and every other protection sceme. No need to lose sleep over this. If anything, you should be happy that this crazy capital distructing format war is coming to an end. Let the industry go forward and do usefull things.

Not holding my breath (4, Insightful)

gumpish (682245) | more than 6 years ago | (#21953226)

I'll believe it when Paramount announces it, not the Financial Times...

If Sony Wins a Format War . . . (4, Funny)

LMacG (118321) | more than 6 years ago | (#21953228)

If Sony wins a format war, does that mean the end times are near? Should I be stocking up on canned goods and water and working on my underground bunker?

Re:If Sony Wins a Format War . . . (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21953268)

No it means ur back to floppy disks 3.5 ... sony format also

Re:If Sony Wins a Format War . . . (1)

VojakSvejk (315965) | more than 6 years ago | (#21953346)

Well, I don't know about Sony, but it begins to look as if I have picked the right dog. You can go to your bunker now. Won't do any good, of course, but you can go there.

Re:If Sony Wins a Format War . . . (4, Interesting)

elrous0 (869638) | more than 6 years ago | (#21953432)

It means you had better get comfortable with DRM, because you're going to be seeing a LOT more of it. Just pray we don't start seeing computer blu-ray players with rootkits and stand-alone players that require internet connections to play discs (similar to the evil that was Divx [wikipedia.org] [spit])

Re:If Sony Wins a Format War . . . (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21953542)

I'm not buying any players and media until DRM and region protection is cracked.

Might buy a RW drive when media is cheap to backup my files.

Re:If Sony Wins a Format War . . . (1)

Gadget_Guy (627405) | more than 6 years ago | (#21953990)

If Sony wins a format war, does that mean the end times are near? Should I be stocking up on canned goods and water and working on my underground bunker?

You can try, but due to the DRM you won't be able to get a can opener to open those goods. You would be better off getting sealed packets of hotdogs and bottles of open sauce.

Re:If Sony Wins a Format War . . . (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21954124)

If either side wins you should. Both formats suck, and the companies that back them on both sides suck as well. A win for either one is a loss for the consumer in the long run.

The impossible happened, hell froze over (-1, Troll)

alexhmit01 (104757) | more than 6 years ago | (#21953302)

So a superior technology, pushed by both Apple and Sony over their technically inferior but cheaper technology, could win? They could win despite the technically inferior but cheaper technology being backed by Microsoft and the other usual suspects of technically inferior technology?

This must be unprecedented!

Re:The impossible happened, hell froze over (1)

nmg196 (184961) | more than 6 years ago | (#21953700)

Why do people keep saying Blu-Ray is "superior"? Bigger capacity - yes, but in most other ways the format offers no technical advantages. In fact I would have thought most slashdot readers would prefer HD-DVD due to the lack of region-coding and non-compulsory DRM (unlike Blu-Ray).

Re:The impossible happened, hell froze over (0)

ergo98 (9391) | more than 6 years ago | (#21953780)

So a superior technology, pushed by both Apple and Sony over their technically inferior but cheaper technology, could win?

Blu-ray holds more per layer (though not necessarily more per disc). Only from that single perspective is it a "superior technology". Of course in practice that just meant that studios released blu-ray films in the antiquated MPEG2 format, using the extra space to push an obsolete codec.

In every other way it is inferior. Perhaps by Profile 3.0 Blu-ray will have some of the capabilities of the HD-DVD stack.

Re:The impossible happened, hell froze over (0, Troll)

LordZardoz (155141) | more than 6 years ago | (#21954018)

Bluray does 1080p, and HD-DVD does 1080i, at least with the way things are set up right now.

END COMMUNICATION

Re:The impossible happened, hell froze over (2, Informative)

ergo98 (9391) | more than 6 years ago | (#21954040)

Bluray does 1080p, and HD-DVD does 1080i, at least with the way things are set up right now.

Get educated.

Firstly, the difference between the two is completely irrelevant [hometheatermag.com] for movies (which is what we're talking about). I want 1080/24p, not the 1080/60p that the kids are giggling over.

Secondly, HD-DVD is the same 1080p as Blu-ray. Perhaps you mean specific players? There are 1080i and 1080p players for both formats.

Winner is the Consumer (4, Interesting)

bhunachchicken (834243) | more than 6 years ago | (#21953308)

Thank God this war is pretty much over. Now people can stop sitting on the fences and begin actively investing in Blu-ray. Now we don't have to worry so much about "exclusives" anymore.

I sort of feel sorry for HD-DVD supports. If they're looking to blame someone for this though, they should really point fingers at Microsoft. If they had had the foresight (or even just the balls) to put HD-DVD in to the Xbox 360, the article would be the other away around.

And before anyone brings up digital downloads, I do stand by my opinion that we are still a good five or more years away from that. Much of the world is limited to 1MB or 2MB broadband at most; some are still on dial up! And even those with 8MB offerings still have caps in place (British Telecom, I'm looking at you). DDs are not going to happen until we have better bandwidth, lower contention ratios and guaranteed throughput.

Re:Winner is the Consumer (1)

elrous0 (869638) | more than 6 years ago | (#21953462)

If MS had waited to put an HD-DVD drive in the 360, the damn hardware would have been even MORE buggy than it already is and they would had to delay it and missed their chance to gain a lead on Sony's PS3. Sony would have ended up becoming COMPLETELY dominant (instead of just winning the HD movie format war).

Re:Winner is the Consumer (2, Insightful)

91degrees (207121) | more than 6 years ago | (#21953568)

If they had had the foresight (or even just the balls) to put HD-DVD in to the Xbox 360, the article would be the other away around.

Then the XBox 360 would have been late to market and expensive. I think MS had a lot more staked on the success of the XBox 360 than HD DVD.

Re:Winner is the Consumer (1)

ergo98 (9391) | more than 6 years ago | (#21953980)

Then the XBox 360 would have been late to market and expensive. I think MS had a lot more staked on the success of the XBox 360 than HD DVD.

Blu-ray has effectively won (which is a sad outcome in many, many ways). So if someone is choosing a game console today, what game console do you think they will pick?

This is a disaster for the XBOX360, and as much as Microsoft wants to pretend that they're on the sidelines as a uninterested spectator, this is going to dramatically undermine their platform.

While I'm sad that blu-ray won, now that I'm considering getting a player to complement my technically superior HD-DVD player I'm in the interesting position of possibly getting a PS3 simply because it's one of the least expensive Blu-ray players out there, and hey, maybe I'll play a game or two...

Re:Winner is the Consumer (1)

EveryNickIsTaken (1054794) | more than 6 years ago | (#21953608)

If they had had the foresight (or even just the balls) to put HD-DVD in to the Xbox 360, the article would be the other away around.
You're neglecting the fact that they likely had the foresight that consumers did not want to pay $600 for a console, which is what the 360 would have cost had an HD-DVD drive been bundled in.

Re:Winner is the Consumer (1, Interesting)

rasjani (97395) | more than 6 years ago | (#21953662)

On unrelated matter to the whole topic but related to your comment, one of Finland's biggest cable operators Welho is going to start digital downloads (iptv) during first half of the 2008. Their best bandwidth offer so far has been 10MB cable connection but on a consumer fair few months ago they announced that they will start to offer 100MB connections covering their whole network (without any need to modications to existing infrastructure except change of the enduser modem).

Finland is also one of the first nations (not the first per se) that went thru changing the whole tv broadcasting from analog to digital. This happened last autumn.

Blame Micrsoft? That is so 90s (2, Insightful)

Shivetya (243324) | more than 6 years ago | (#21953776)

Sorry HD-DVD is dieing because of back room politics and its not Microsoft. Really, half the time we are claiming they are a dino and dieing off and the next time they are a world power behind the scenes, about the only thing not pinned on them is 9/11.

This is about Hollywood studios lining up with a product more friendly with what they want.

I went with HD-DVD initially because of price. That and the fact ALL movies start immediately without bunches of lead in crap - something that disney loves.

I will get a BluRay once the price reaches HD-DVD player price points. Fortunately there aren't enough movies restricted to one player or the other. Do I think my "investment" in HD-DVD is wasted? No, because they aren't going to stop playing. Besides calling it an "investment" is just a lame way to justify what you spend on something that is essentially frivolous.

Grats to Sony on the win, too bad for the consumer as I while both have overpriced movies the BluRay players are not competitive. If anything it may slow down real High Definition roll outs.

Re:Winner is the Consumer (1)

nagora (177841) | more than 6 years ago | (#21953818)

If they had had the foresight (or even just the balls) to put HD-DVD in to the Xbox 360, the article would be the other away around.

Jesus! They might as well just give the user a box of matches and instructions on how to set fire to their house.

TWW

Re:Winner is the Consumer (1)

siDDis (961791) | more than 6 years ago | (#21953874)

And before anyone brings up digital downloads, I do stand by my opinion that we are still a good five or more years away from that. Much of the world is limited to 1MB or 2MB broadband at most; some are still on dial up! And even those with 8MB offerings still have caps in place

The technology has existed if several years already, its called Bittorrent!
1Mbit download still means that you can download a full dvd within a day.


If the movie industry would take a look on how the private torrent sites works, they maybe could get the great idea to give a bonus to customers who are willing to seed. The industry saves costs and the customers saves costs...Win Win!

Re:Winner is the Consumer (1)

coop247 (974899) | more than 6 years ago | (#21954070)

So all I would need to do is make my internet connection crawl for 24 hours to get a movie I wanted to watch today, great. And what exactly are my parents supposed to do with their 50inch plasma, but 28.8k internet connection?

There will always be physical media because people want to own the movie, not temporarily lease it in one particular file format from one particular distributor.

Re:Winner is the Consumer (1)

Maquis196 (535256) | more than 6 years ago | (#21953896)

Caps? On transfers? you must be thinking of most of the world. I think that in the UK were extremely lucky for caps. Almost every ISP's gold service is unlimited downloading. I work for BT so I might be slightly biased but we already offer a movie download service and it doesn't touch your monthly limit (if your on opt 1 or 2).

I imagine that as many ISP's move be be media providers, movie downloads (esp from themselves) wont count towards your monthly limit. I recommend everyone checks out http://www.bt.com/btvision [bt.com] for the here and now on internet movies to your TV.

Maquis196

P.S - Our bandwith does suck to most places though, 8mb is great if you can get, I only get 4 to the door which is what you need for vision. However look out for 21cn (100mb to door via fibre in most places) which is due 2011 onwards.

Re:Winner is the Consumer (1)

shawnap (959909) | more than 6 years ago | (#21953930)

I sort of feel sorry for HD-DVD supports. If they're looking to blame someone for this though, they should really point fingers at Microsoft.

Ohhh Slashdot, I love you.
You're so..., well you're so you.

Porn studios showed the way. (2, Interesting)

siyavash (677724) | more than 6 years ago | (#21953316)

Well, This was almost clear from the start... as with VHS back in 80s... porn studios go mostly BlueRay then HD-DVD... One example is Vivid Entertainment that decided to publicly back Blu-Ray. :)

Re:Porn studios showed the way. (1)

sexybomber (740588) | more than 6 years ago | (#21953368)

I can't even imagine what Blu-Ray porn would look like. Can one see every individual skin cell or something?

The advantages of blu-ray (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21953536)



BUKAKKE, in 1080p HD including the out-takes.

Re:Porn studios showed the way. (4, Insightful)

LarsWestergren (9033) | more than 6 years ago | (#21953590)

Porn studios showed the way.

The myth that it was the porn studios who cased VHS to win over Betamax has been pretty thoroughly debunked... besides, even if it was so, this does not mean it must happen again 20 years later -

*People can get porn online easily these days.
*Porn might be one of the few genres that DON'T benefit from high-definition.

Re:Porn studios showed the way. (1)

MBGMorden (803437) | more than 6 years ago | (#21953934)

High Def porn is a good thing. If you like what you're looking at then more def is usually good. Hell a real female is infinitely more "hi def" than the TV is they are still generally prefered over porn.

With that out of the way, I do agree that porn seems to be completely migrating to the digital download world, which makes total sense. While they sell a LOT of porn, there is also a LOT of porn made, and most of the individual discs don't sell really well (despite the profit level being high just because of selling small ammounts of lots of films).

Going digital allows them to essentially cut out the most inefficient part of the operation (physical manufacture and distribution of the media). The only thing I'm waiting for is a well put-together system like iTunes that can allow the individual purchase of films/clips and provide a good player environment complete with metadata and such for storage and indexing. That capability is what makes iTunes an AMAZING media hub, and I think it could do a lot for consumers and companies in the adult industry, but a public stigma keeps any "big" companies from investing in such an endeavor, and I just don't see the industry itself working together to create such a hub.

May I be the first to say... (2, Insightful)

slyn (1111419) | more than 6 years ago | (#21953344)

Finally!

I always suspected Blu Ray would win (partly because I wanted it to win, partly because of the PS3), but it took far longer than I thought it would. For the most part when corporations compete for the consumers business, the consumers win because they get a better product. In the case of the Next-Gen DVD format, neither the corporations nor the consumers won (or maybe they both won but it was a phyrric (sp?) victory). The products a few years ago are barely any different than what they are now (albeit significantly cheaper), so all that resulted in this conflict was consumer confusion and lost sales from people waiting out on a "winner".

I must say though I'm glad that Blu Ray won given that the only end user noticeable difference is storage and price, and Blu Ray win's on storage space, and will eventually get equal in price.

Re:May I be the first to say... (4, Insightful)

elrous0 (869638) | more than 6 years ago | (#21953612)

Sony are DRM-crazed control freaks. This is NOT a victory for consumers. May I remind you which studio was putting rootkits on all their CD's not so long ago? Do you really think they won't use their dominance to try some similar stuff with blu-ray?

Re:May I be the first to say... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21953654)

1. Blu-Ray defeats HD-DVD
2. Cheaper HD-DVD players vanish from market
3. With no competition, incentive to lower prices vanishes

Trust me, Sony controls Blu-Ray, they will control the prices.

Re:May I be the first to say... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21953742)

1. Blu-Ray defeats HD-DVD

2. Cheaper HD-DVD players vanish from market

3. With no competition, incentive to lower prices vanishes

Trust me, Sony controls Blu-Ray, they will control the prices.
Trust me. I'm an Anonymous Coward.

Re:May I be the first to say... (1)

AndyboyH (837116) | more than 6 years ago | (#21954108)

And I would say I'm not glad blu-ray won. Not for anti-Sony stances or concern for capacity, but from a stupid legacy from DVDs that should have been aborted with the new formats - region coding. HD-DVD has never employed region coding and that's why I bought the drive, and the disks and enjoyed Hi-Def shiny-ness. Blu Ray slices the world into 3 regions and fences them off.

Admittedly, given time any region coding can be cracked, and supposedly some people already have (although the legality is dubious under the DMCA/EUCD) - but in the meantime region coding prevents me paying ~$30 for a US Blu-Ray release, and forces me to pay $40-$50 for the UK version. BBFC charges and VAT are not responsible for a near doubling of prices.

So, while I enjoyed legitimately purchasing and importing HD-DVD releases, I'm sorry to say I'll go back to standard DVDs and/or piracy instead of being strong-armed into Blu-Ray region locked rip-off BS. The movie industry can learn the same painful lessons as the music industry with regards to not listening to consumers.

Re:May I be the first to say... (1)

Leviathant (558659) | more than 6 years ago | (#21954114)

"Will eventually get equal in price" -- Right, the same way CDs will become cheaper than cassettes because they are cheaper to manufacture. Eventually.

MS coming in favor of HD DVD (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21953348)

only hastened its demise. The only company that hollywood fears more than apple is MS who has a LONG path of screwing over all of their partners.

Mountain? (1)

ilovegeorgebush (923173) | more than 6 years ago | (#21953394)

It seems to me that the media made a mountain out of a molehill with this 'war'. I quite frankly couldn't care less, as I don't intend to upgrade to either format for a long time.

Re:Mountain? (1)

Wheely (2500) | more than 6 years ago | (#21953610)

I'm with you.

I find it hard to believe there is much of a market for either of these formats and at best, widespread adoption will be very slow. I am convinced that DVD's became popular because you could skip over the trailers to exactly the bits you wanted, they were thinner than VHS tapes and they didn't need rewinding. I don't think it had much to do with visual quality.

While there are people who will want to get that extra resolution (which, once you get used to it, looks like everything else ever did) there is little to convince the majority that they need a new format.

Re:Mountain? (2, Interesting)

ilovegeorgebush (923173) | more than 6 years ago | (#21953692)

Indeed. The visual improvements in DVD compared to VHS were just a bonus. I upgraded because VHS was slow, hard to use, and had a short life. DVDs were fast, easy to use and 'the next big thing'.

I don't really think people see (or even understand properly) the aspects of these new formats: bigger capacity and 'better quality' (really, is there much of a difference?).

Quite surprising that Sony won for once, though. *cough*minidisc*cough*

Fat Lady (1)

Lord Apathy (584315) | more than 6 years ago | (#21953418)

It's not over till the fat lady sings. She has sung yet but I hear her warming up in the wings. I think we can call this one at this point. Sony wins. Sad, because I swore that I would never buy another sony product again.

Oh well I guess I can always get a third party br player. Good thing about this is now we can concentrate on cracking all the br encryption and not be distracted by HD-DVD's. Or is HD-dvd no longer a problem?

But what are the Porn Industries doing? (1)

Confessed Geek (514779) | more than 6 years ago | (#21953448)

Supposedly the VHS/Betamax war was decided by the adult video houses rather than the "big" publishers... which way are they going?

Re:But what are the Porn Industries doing? (1)

KillerBob (217953) | more than 6 years ago | (#21953642)

Thanks to the Internet, they're not nearly as important as they were in the 1980's.

Granted, I haven't ever been in such a store in my life, but given that High Definition would allow you to see things like blemishes, bruises, and scars from plastic surgery much more easily than before, my guess would be that they'd rather stick to DVD.

Re:But what are the Porn Industries doing? (1)

91degrees (207121) | more than 6 years ago | (#21953660)

Less of a factor this time round. Only existing porn formats before VCR were movie theatres and still images (photos, magazine, etc), so video was a major step up. And anyone who spends thousands per year on porn isn't going to balk at buying both formats.

The ultimate end to HD DVD? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21953520)

Clearly the end to HD DVD will be the plethora of misleading summaries on Slashdot!

What format has the porn industry adopted? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21953524)

Didn't that drive the adoption of DVD?

Blu-ray or internet? (1)

boxlight (928484) | more than 6 years ago | (#21953528)

I got a Blu-ray player free with my TV at Christmas so I'm glad to hear the format appears to be winning. But it seems to me we should be getting our movies over the internet and distributing these little plastic discs is kind of silly.

Re:Blu-ray or internet? (1)

Joe Random (777564) | more than 6 years ago | (#21954060)

But it seems to me we should be getting our movies over the internet and distributing these little plastic discs is kind of silly.

It's an issue of bandwidth and storage limitations. Let's say that you want to watch a Blu-ray movie on a single-sided disc. Let's further say that the movie takes up the full 25GB (not unreasonable) for a 2-hour movie. To watch it streaming in real-time would require roughly 3.5MB/s, if my quick-n-dirty calculations are correct. That's at or above saturation for the majority of broadband subscribers in the US. You'd need a hell of a lot of buffering to make it work. That, or a massive rollout of to-the-door fiber (which I think is probably inevitable).

Then there's the storage issue. Let's say that you own a couple dozen movies. That's 600GB. I'll admit that storage is cheap, but I'd prefer not to allocate 600GB to store movies that I may watch once a year, if that. So I'd want to copy those off to some sort of long-term storage medium. Like, say, Blu-ray.

With increasing Internet bandwidth and decreasing storage costs and sizes, streaming Hi-Def media is inevitable. But then, maybe by the time streaming and storing Blu-ray style movies is feasible for the common man, we'll be dealing with multiple-terrabyte, holographic movies.

Why do people hate sony (1)

sonicimpulse (807688) | more than 6 years ago | (#21953576)

I hear so many people say they dislike Sony. I love Sony products personally. Whats the reason for all the hate? I feel I'm missing something here.

Re:Why do people hate sony (1)

egandalf (1051424) | more than 6 years ago | (#21953834)

Three broken stereo systems (the last sony product I bought failed at my wedding, big last straw), rootkits, and proprietary formats for portable audio players (mini-disc, some digital audio format which it dropped [iht.com] , etc).

Of course, I do still buy Sony movies and music. But the rest is enough for me to boycott any hardware purchases.

Not the end of the world if you backed HDDVD... (1)

ReluctantRefactorer (223101) | more than 6 years ago | (#21953582)

At least you'll probably be able to buy up existing HDDVD titles cheap pretty soon, and you can rip and transcode them all to mpeg4 or whatever before throwing away your player/putting it in the attic.

I did however buy an XBOX HDDVD player which cost me less than £100. If I'd spend £400+ on a stand alone player I might be a bit more bovvered.

It will be a cold day in hell (1)

RetardsForRonPaul (1175873) | more than 6 years ago | (#21953620)

... when I buy a Blu-Ray player. I'm not going to pay 25-30 bucks for a movie so that my player can ask permission from some benevolent authority to play. Perhaps HD-DVD would have won had the discs been unloaded at a similar price point to Blu-ray (which I'm sure was subsidized heavily by Sony). It's hard to say that you have the less expensive format when most of your discs cost MORE than the competition. I have a 2TB disk array and 10Mbit cable at home. I'll pirate before I give Blu-ray any of my money.

no more price war? (1)

lucky130 (267588) | more than 6 years ago | (#21953626)

It was inevitable that I'd get a PS3, so I'm happy I'll be able to have access to all high-def content from these studios. However, I'll be sad to see the price/promotion war between the two end.

"The Future is Blu" (1)

Jumphard (1079023) | more than 6 years ago | (#21953668)

Anyone notice the appropriately placed ad on /. right below the article? As a consumer who hasn't adopted high definition yet I'm glad someone is winning the race!

Re:"The Future is Blu" (1)

RetardsForRonPaul (1175873) | more than 6 years ago | (#21953938)

Even if it's the most consumer unfriendly of the two?

Re:"The Future is Blu" (1)

Jumphard (1079023) | more than 6 years ago | (#21954096)

I've done some reading on it, and I don't think that's true. I have heard the lasers are most costly for BluRay, but it yields higher data storage. Where do you get consumer unfriendly from?

+1 Sony PS3, -1 Xbox 360 (1)

dindi (78034) | more than 6 years ago | (#21953724)

Hmm, well during Xmas I was really leaning forward getting some kind ofhigh def format player, and almost got a hd-dvd for my Xbox 360.

Even though the decision (not to get it) was made by thinking about the noise the Xbox makes during a quiet scene, I would be definitely kicking myself reading these news if I got the damn device.
It also makes me want to buy a PS3 a bit more (just a bit more, but that bit is definitely there).

Maybe it's the name (2, Interesting)

Jeff1946 (944062) | more than 6 years ago | (#21953908)

Over Xmas, I would hear people in electronics stores using the term Blu-ray. I think it is a name with a better cachet to it and believe this has had some effect on its success. The buying public often will pay more for a "better" name so they can say "I have a Blu-ray player." Sometimes the technology or other features will take second place to the name. Remember most of the folks buying these things are not literate /. readers.

Blu-Ray::Obama ; HD-DVD::Hillary! (2, Funny)

elwinc (663074) | more than 6 years ago | (#21953968)

It's all about the momentum! Sure, NTSC DVD is still President, but it's flaws are well known and everybody scorns it even while we're stuck with it. But of the new guys, HD-DVD offers stability: compatibility with existing DVD players and big money (Microsoft) backing. Blu-Ray has higher peak bandwidth and potentially more room on the disk; i.e. more hope for a better future.



Voters, um, I mean buyers, seem to be moved by that message of hope! Obama, um, I mean Blu-Ray, seems to be surging unexpectedly ahead! Change is in the air! The big mony gang is frustrated -- they've been causing change for 25 or more years -- why aren't more people listening? Iowa was a shock; Blu-Ray is 10 points ahead in the latest NH polls; south Carolina won't save HD-DVD; they've gotta re-group and start pointing out Blu-Ray's flaws from now until Super Tuesday!



Only thing I can't figure out is where is Ron Paul in all this? I think he represents 3D holographic TV. It's the darling of the techno-cognoscenti, but nobody really expects it to see the light of day.

Here I am, (1)

ardor (673957) | more than 6 years ago | (#21953976)

reading this article about HD DVD losing another supporter, and right below the article, Blu-Ray ads constantly appear ......
so the HD DVD ads are dead too!

Marketing stuff (1)

courteaudotbiz (1191083) | more than 6 years ago | (#21954038)

I think the winning of the BluRay format is mostly a marketing affair, more than a preferred format or technology... In fact, HD-DVD means "High Definition Digital Versatile Disk", which is pretty complicated to explain to consumer. It's not sexy nor simple.

BluRay is easy to remember, the blue color is the preferred color of A WHOLE LOT of people, and there's no true technical terms to associate with the name of the format (except that the laser is blue, but who really cares except the engineers who can focus the laser beam more precisely...). It's sexy, the logo looks great, the boxes are pretty.

On the other hand, it will probably take some time for the consumer to change its reflex of saying "I'm going to rent a DVD", while in fact he rents a BluRay Disc. But anyway, the name DVD is not sexy either...

do not want (1)

sam_paris (919837) | more than 6 years ago | (#21954078)

Am I the only person who doesn't plan on buying either HD DVD or Bluray, no matter which one wins the format war?

I hate the idea of spending hard earned cash on DRM infested discs that will be obsolete in five years.

I already made the mistake of spending $1000+ on DVD's (now obsolete) and there is no way in hell i'm re-buying them all to line some sleazeball's pockets. For now i'll rely on bittorrent and and my apple cinema display.
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