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NSI Registers Every Domain Checked

kdawson posted more than 6 years ago | from the that's-why-they-are-the-front-runner dept.

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An anonymous reader writes "In a developing story, registrar Network Solutions has been caught front-running domain names. Any domain names searched via NSI's whois are being immediately purchased by the registrar, thereby preventing a registrant from purchasing the domain at any other registrar. There are multiple reports of this practice over at DomainState.com." Update: 01/09 01:58 GMT by KD : shashib writes to let us know that NSI has issued a response to the accusations of front running.

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Any way to... (5, Interesting)

Jaysyn (203771) | more than 6 years ago | (#21958374)

...automate requests with a dictionary? Make them bankrupt themselves purchasing bogus domains?

Re:Any way to... (2)

elFarto the 2nd (709099) | more than 6 years ago | (#21958402)

uselessdomain00001.com
uselessdomain00002.com
uselessdomain00003.com
uselessdomain00004.com...

Re:Any way to... (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21958442)


uselessdomain00001.com
uselessdomain00002.com
uselessdomain00003.com
uselessdomain00004.com...


too subtle

FuckYouNSI00001.com
FuckYouNSI00002.com
FuckYouNSI00003.com
FuckYouNSI00004.com...

Re:Any way to... (-1)

VGPowerlord (621254) | more than 6 years ago | (#21958856)

As a reminder, Network Solutions owns the central registry for .com and .net. If you want to cost them money, use a different TLD.

Re:Any way to... (5, Informative)

Hawke (1719) | more than 6 years ago | (#21958942)

Er, no. Verisign owns the .com, .net registries. Verisign used to own Network Solutions, but they were spun out several years ago.

The greater irony is.. (2, Funny)

fictionpuss (1136565) | more than 6 years ago | (#21959062)

..that I tested this out using the domain name 'networksolutionsjustlostacustomer.com', which is still up for grabs.. but only via networksolutions, natch.

Re:Any way to... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21958418)

They are not buying the domains so that would not work.

Re:Any way to... (5, Funny)

Shakrai (717556) | more than 6 years ago | (#21958430)

I was just about to post that ;) Best idea ever.... quoting this [domainstate.com] from DomainState.com: someone could totally script this and run there credit through the roof with the registry hahahahaha.

Assuming it costs them SOMETHING (even pennies) to register a domain with the central registry then I think this is an absolutely awesome idea. I'll run such a script if someone writes it. In fact maybe I'll write one myself, because screwing over NSI sounds like a much better way to spend my afternoon then doing anything productive ;)

Re:Any way to... (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21958510)

In fact maybe I'll write one myself, because screwing over NSI sounds like a much better way to spend my afternoon then doing anything productive ;)

You must work for the government.

Re:Any way to... (4, Funny)

kmac06 (608921) | more than 6 years ago | (#21958740)

Screwing over NSI is productive!

Re:Any way to... (4, Funny)

Mr. Underbridge (666784) | more than 6 years ago | (#21959134)

Assuming it costs them SOMETHING (even pennies) to register a domain with the central registry then I think this is an absolutely awesome idea. I'll run such a script if someone writes it. In fact maybe I'll write one myself, because screwing over NSI sounds like a much better way to spend my afternoon then doing anything productive ;)

If you can't write that in under three lines in the scripting language of your choice, you officially lose your nerd card. ;)

Re:Any way to... (5, Informative)

djtack (545324) | more than 6 years ago | (#21959154)

Here ya go... One thing, I noticed NSI stops registering domains after about 50 or so.

#!/usr/bin/perl

$count = $ARGV[0] || 8;
@charlist = (A .. Z, a .. z, 0 .. 9);

while (1) {
my $domain = "";
foreach $i (1 .. $count) {

$word = `dd bs=1 count=4 if=/dev/random 2> /dev/null`;

$number = unpack I1, $word;
$number = $number / 2**32;
$number *= scalar @charlist;
$number = int $number;

$domain .= $charlist[$number];
}

print `whois -h whois.networksolutions.com $domain.com`;
sleep 2;
}

Re:Any way to... (5, Informative)

ergo98 (9391) | more than 6 years ago | (#21958500)

Make them bankrupt themselves purchasing bogus domains?

I doubt they're making any financial commitment "purchasing" these domains. They're simply putting in a database record, and then removing it within the 5-day grace period (thus removing any liability to any other registrars).

Re:Any way to... (1)

mr_walrus (410770) | more than 6 years ago | (#21958726)

if enough people are scripting bogus names,
perhaps their database and/or db server will choke.
THAT will cost them money to bring back online.

Re:Any way to... (4, Insightful)

misleb (129952) | more than 6 years ago | (#21958834)

if enough people are scripting bogus names,
perhaps their database and/or db server will choke.
THAT will cost them money to bring back online.


Yeah, but then you'd be arrested as a "terrorist."

-matthew

Re:Any way to... (3, Interesting)

mr_walrus (410770) | more than 6 years ago | (#21958920)

which "you"? it would require thousands of people hitting the db at the same time.
individually no-one would be capable of doing it.

unless you are orchestrating/controlling a Botnet to do a DoS attack. ...but those who have control over botnets wouldnt be so mean as to direct
their efforts at NSI would they? :)
after all, they are already considered terrorists and have nothing to gain :)

a plain DoS would cost them money in lost business.

Re:Any way to... (2, Insightful)

emeitner (513842) | more than 6 years ago | (#21959146)

Slashdot IS a botnet. Blame the Taco.

Re:Any way to... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21958848)

Even doing what they're doing, it still costs them their credit at the different registries. Only if they release the domain before the end of the grace period will they be refunded the money. This potentially could cause problems for people who actually want to purchase a domain, but NSI used up all their credit for the particular registry.

Re:Any way to... (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21958622)

That's exactly what I thought when I read the summary.
A daemon running 24/7 would be too suspicious and almost certainly would be tagged as DoS, so probably something like a Firefox extension that makes random searches at random intervals sending words from a dictionary and/or made of random chars would be better. The Trackmenot extension does a similar task fooling search engines that tag users according to the words they search; it could be modified to do a similar thing with NSI.

Re:Any way to... (5, Insightful)

glpierce (731733) | more than 6 years ago | (#21958652)

They won't lose any money (that's the whole point of "tasting", isn't it?), but that doesn't mean it wouldn't hurt them. If someone made a script that would search for every possible domain (up to say, 50 characters in length), no other registrar would be able to sell anything. There are enough competitors with enough money and enough at stake to pressure ICANN to take action if that happened. They could also theoretically sue NSI for attempting to create a monopoly (I assume there's some law it would break). Of course, that assumes that NSI doesn't pull the plug quickly enough.

Re:Any way to... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21958742)

Perl has icrementation of strings..

Re:Any way to... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21958772)

Better yet, MD5/base64/CRC all the words.

Re:Any way to... (1)

damn_registrars (1103043) | more than 6 years ago | (#21958796)

Make them bankrupt themselves purchasing bogus domains?

Except they are a registrar. Normally people pay them for domain registration. Even if they registered an obscene number of domains, who would they pay for them? Themselves? I don't think they'd go broke giving themselves millions of dollars.

Though I suppose if we drove up the number high enough, and they had to pay taxes on the "purchases" (questionable, though), then they could end up incurring a cost that way. But it would be dwarfed by the non-money that they'd spend on the registration costs themselves.

Re:Any way to... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21958866)

I am thinking rainbow table >> dictionary..
=)

Re:Any way to... (1)

cool-RR (1215560) | more than 6 years ago | (#21958908)

I filed an order for networksolutionssuckelephantinepenises, on .com and almost any other popular extensions. They immediately bought it.

Let the party begin.

Re:Any way to... (1)

arotenbe (1203922) | more than 6 years ago | (#21958946)

I think we have a new distributed computing project...

NetworkSolutionsMustDie@Home?

Web form that doesn't log your domain lookup. (3, Informative)

suso (153703) | more than 6 years ago | (#21958956)

Here, use this:

http://support.suso.org/dns/saferdomainlookup.php [suso.org]

I wrote it a few months ago after these types of issues started coming up. I provide some transparency so that you can have confidence in trusting it. Of course, you can always use command line whois or DNS tools.

Re:Any way to... (1)

xgr3gx (1068984) | more than 6 years ago | (#21959000)

Here we go, a little bash script that uses curl and nsi's own auto whois url - aptly named abuse.sh, ehehehhe:

#!/bin/bash
badwords="asshole dickwad wearetools nsi sucks"
domains="com org net ws us mil gov cc co.uk tv us.com"
while true
do
for i in $domains
do
for a in $badwords
do
echo "curl -s -o /dev/null
http://www.networksolutions.com/whois/results.jsp?domain=$a.$i
2>&1>/dev/null"

curl -s -o /dev/null http://www.networksolutions.com/whois/results.jsp?domain=$a.$i
done
done
done
change the badwords and and domains as you see fit

Re:Any way to... (4, Funny)

Sloppy (14984) | more than 6 years ago | (#21959142)

Make them bankrupt themselves in court. Instead of random names, use a dictionary of trademarks, politician's names, law firm names, etc. Get Network Solutions to register authenticdisneymerchandise.com, applemultimediacomputers.com, deweycheathamandhowelimited.com, advicefrommichaelmukasey.org, etc. Then write a letter of appreciation to Disney, about how grateful you are that they're selling Mickey Mouse porn so cheaply.

Make it cost them ... (1)

gstoddart (321705) | more than 6 years ago | (#21958400)

Assuming this costs them money, I suggest everyone go there and start searching for completely random domains.

The naughtier the better. Flood them with searches for obscene/stupid domains and let them pick up the tab on it. :-P

Cheers

Re:Make it cost them ... (5, Informative)

anotherone (132088) | more than 6 years ago | (#21958474)

RTFA. If the user doesn't buy in a few days, they delete the domain- doesn't cost them anything.

Re:Make it cost them ... (1)

thogard (43403) | more than 6 years ago | (#21958892)

But if you run a few thousand dns queries against the domain, they buy it.
It appears to take anything entered into their search box and if its made of dictionary words (random stuff didn't for me all the time).
Also it appears you may need another registrar to do a whois for them to trigger their "buy".

We know they count DNS hits to figure out what to sell the domain for latter.

Someone needs to start dropping law suits on the Commerce Departments desk over their contract for this.

Re:Make it cost them ... (2, Interesting)

ajs (35943) | more than 6 years ago | (#21958910)

Probably the best way to do this search so that it actually consumes the most interesting space first, is to build random domain names, weighted based on existing names. For example, you could build names by taking the most common 2 and 3 letter sub-strings:

foo.com
bar.com
foobar.com

foo: frequency 2
bar: frequency 2
oob: frequency 1
oba: frequency 1
fo: frequency 2
oo: frequency 2
ba: frequency 2
ar: frequency 2
ob: frequency 1

Now, just pick random length, say 5, and generate random strings with the weights to the random selection being the frequency. Better yet, just generate EVERY possible permutation, ordered by frequency like so:

foofo.com
foooo.com
fooba.com
fooar.com
barfo.com
baroo.com
barba.com
barar.com
fofoo.com
oofoo.com
bafoo.com
arfoo.com
fobar.com ... and so on

This should generate all of the most likely-to-be-registered domains of the given length. You could do this based on, say, a few google searches, some Wikipedia articles, and some subset of DMoz. That should get you a nice collection of domain names to seed with.

Re:Make it cost them ... (1)

griffjon (14945) | more than 6 years ago | (#21959158)

Even better, add in a step; after you query your seed list, add the godaddy suggestions (my* i* e* d* m* *online *sucks *rules etc.) and your interestingness system, loop and requery by combining any hits that turned up positive into a new seed list. Bonus: you're bound to ping someone who's paranoid about domain/copyright infringement eventually...

Re:Make it cost them ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21959100)

doesn't cost them anything.


We'll see about that, apparently NSI think the US president is homosexual.

whois gwbushisafag.com
 
Whois Server Version 2.0
 
Domain names in the .com and .net domains can now be registered
with many different competing registrars. Go to http://www.internic.net/
for detailed information.
 
No match for "GWBUSHISAFAG.COM".
>>> Last update of whois database: Tue, 08 Jan 2008 20:01:50 UTC <<<

Moments later...

whois gwbushisafag.com
 
Whois Server Version 2.0
 
Domain names in the .com and .net domains can now be registered
with many different competing registrars. Go to http://www.internic.net/
for detailed information.
 
  Domain Name: GWBUSHISAFAG.COM
  Registrar: NETWORK SOLUTIONS, LLC.
  Whois Server: whois.networksolutions.com
  Referral URL: http://www.networksolutions.com/
  Name Server: NS1.RESERVEDDOMAINNAME.COM
  Name Server: NS2.RESERVEDDOMAINNAME.COM
  Status: ok
  Updated Date: 08-jan-2008
  Creation Date: 08-jan-2008
  Expiration Date: 08-jan-2009
 
>>> Last update of whois database: Tue, 08 Jan 2008 20:03:07 UTC <<<
And what do ICANN think of the organization that just reserved icann-can-lick-our-butthole.com

Re:Make it cost them ... (1)

Jello B. (950817) | more than 6 years ago | (#21958516)

Oh, good idea. Somebody give me tons of naughty words so I can put them in a script.

Please don't disturb me. (3, Funny)

flaming error (1041742) | more than 6 years ago | (#21958426)

I'm working on a program to perform millions of random whois searches via NSI.

Re:Please don't disturb me. (4, Funny)

sm62704 (957197) | more than 6 years ago | (#21958528)

I'm sorry but what was that again? Sorry, I was working on a program to perform millions of random whois searches via NSI and wasn't paying attention.

What?

Re:Please don't disturb me. (5, Funny)

hedleyroos (817147) | more than 6 years ago | (#21958554)

I code in Python. My program is already running :)

Can't be ALL of them. (0)

SatanicPuppy (611928) | more than 6 years ago | (#21958438)

I spent a half an hour doing domain name searches after the last article on this, and all the ones available then are still available.

Mind you, the top level search wasn't available, but the lower tier ones that were available are still available.

Re:Can't be ALL of them. (4, Informative)

WindBourne (631190) | more than 6 years ago | (#21958598)

Now try to purchase one of those at a different registrar.

Re:Can't be ALL of them. (5, Informative)

Schraegstrichpunkt (931443) | more than 6 years ago | (#21958814)

  1. Go to networksolutions.com [networksolutions.com] and check the availability of a random domain
  2. Go to some other registrar (domainsatcost.ca [domainsatcost.ca] worked for me) and try the same thing.

Mysteriously, the domain is suddenly unavailable.

Re:Can't be ALL of them. (1)

harrkev (623093) | more than 6 years ago | (#21959034)

Verified. I tried a couple of random domains, that were reported as availble by Network Solution. GoDaddy reported the same domain 30 seconds later as taken.

Very dirty indeed.

Re:Can't be ALL of them. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21959082)

Damn, now I have to register smilurgy43ds3rf.com using NSI

Re:Can't be ALL of them. (1)

Jafafa Hots (580169) | more than 6 years ago | (#21959088)

frooplimpreeger.com available from netsol, seconds later domainmonger says frooplimpreeger.com is taken.

Is it impossible to run a corporation these days without being a slimy dishonest fuck?

Re:Can't be ALL of them. (1)

DJ Rubbie (621940) | more than 6 years ago | (#21958966)

Registrant:
This Domain is available at NetworkSolutions.com
      13681 Sunrise Valley Drive, Suite 300
      HERNDON, VA 20171
      US

      Domain Name: NETWORKSOLUTIONSUCKSREALLYBADLY.COM ...
      Record expires on 08-Jan-2009.
      Record created on 08-Jan-2008.
      Database last updated on 8-Jan-2008 15:00:44 EST.

I just did it again with variations of the above, and they all got registered.

Check the timestamp.

Re:Can't be ALL of them. (1)

Crazy Man on Fire (153457) | more than 6 years ago | (#21959128)

I tried a few and all of them were gobbled up by Network Solutions. Here's an example:

Registrant:
This Domain is available at NetworkSolutions.com
13681 Sunrise Valley Drive, Suite 300
HERNDON, VA 20171
US

Domain Name: DOMAIN-123FAKESTREET.COM

Record expires on 08-Jan-2009
Record created on 08-Jan-2008
Database last updated on 08-Jan-2008

Domain servers in listed order:
ns1.reserveddomainname.com 205.178.190.55
ns2.reserveddomainname.com 205.178.189.55

Use the /. effect to make them screw themselves (1)

Ustice (788261) | more than 6 years ago | (#21958440)

So, we can create a link that has a simple php script to have the user check a random domain through them. That way it isn't all coming from one IP Address...

Re:Use the /. effect to make them screw themselves (5, Interesting)

RobertB-DC (622190) | more than 6 years ago | (#21958552)

So, we can create a link that has a simple php script to have the user check a random domain through them. That way it isn't all coming from one IP Address...

Who needs a script when you have the power of Slashdot? /me goes off to join the crowd at the whois watering hole [networksolutions.com] ...

Re:Use the /. effect to make them screw themselves (1)

misleb (129952) | more than 6 years ago | (#21958970)

So, we can create a link that has a simple php script to have the user check a random domain through them. That way it isn't all coming from one IP Address...
--


Wouldn't all the queries be coming from teh server that has teh PHP script?

I always assumed they did this (3, Informative)

Evro (18923) | more than 6 years ago | (#21958458)

They control a big database and know when someone's about to buy something from one of their competitors, so they instantly buy it so the person has to buy it from them for any fee they want to charge. This is historically one of the most unethical companies around, I always assumed they did this, I'm just glad I got my domain ~10 years ago when it was actually possible.

Re:I always assumed they did this (3, Interesting)

MightyMartian (840721) | more than 6 years ago | (#21958760)

Eleven years ago when I first started working for an ISP, they were called Network Hell, and they had richly earned the moniker then, but their deeds over the last five years makes me think they want to earn some sort of record as the most unethical company in history.

ICANN didn't have the balls to kill the contract a few years ago, maybe they will finally do the right thing and rid the Internet of this vile vile monster.

Time for it to go (4, Insightful)

Spazmania (174582) | more than 6 years ago | (#21958480)

I'm sorry, but its simply time for free domain tasting to go. It costs something like $6 at the back end to register a domain for one year and its a hardship on no legitimate use if they have to pay another $6 to correct a typo.

Dupedy do dah, dupidee-ay (1, Flamebait)

sm62704 (957197) | more than 6 years ago | (#21958488)

I could swear I saw something about this http://it.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/12/28/1458247">somewhere before... [slashdot.org] .

It wasn't in the firehose this morning, now where could I have seen it...

Re:Dupedy do dah, dupidee-ay (3, Informative)

Xonea (637183) | more than 6 years ago | (#21958678)

This is no dupe as this shows a specific example of someone practicing it.

Now you can relly test it; I searched for about 20 domainnames and they are now all registered by NS.

Re:Dupedy do dah, dupidee-ay (1)

sm62704 (957197) | more than 6 years ago | (#21958994)

Thx; I think the earlier story should heve been referenced by this one though.

Re:Dupedy do dah, dupidee-ay (4, Insightful)

flydpnkrtn (114575) | more than 6 years ago | (#21958698)

"Domains may disappear" is a bit different than "NSI Registers Every Domain checked"

News does evolve over time... that's why it's news.

Well, they're now the proud owners of (5, Funny)

Malevolent Tester (1201209) | more than 6 years ago | (#21958492)

network-solutions-hates-non-whites.com
our-ceo-jacks-off-to-goatse.com
batman-touched-my-junk-liberally.com

NSI has always been a ripoff... (1)

alexwcovington (855979) | more than 6 years ago | (#21958498)

... but this is an outright scam. These guys are the moral equivalent of those gas station clerks who steal winning lottery tickets.

spam the spammers? (0, Redundant)

superwiz (655733) | more than 6 years ago | (#21958520)

It wouldn't be that hard to write a script to start exhaustively checking domains.

a.com?

b.com?

c.com?

.....

...just checking.

Re:spam the spammers? (3, Funny)

the_B0fh (208483) | more than 6 years ago | (#21959024)

Don't you mean....

justchecking.com ?????

hmmm (1)

wizardforce (1005805) | more than 6 years ago | (#21958526)

Any domain names searched via NSI's whois are being immediately purchased by the registrar, thereby preventing a registrant from purchasing the domain at any other registrar.
flood them with requests and/or search elsewhere. they can't buy what hasn't been searched through them.

DNS and Certificate services (3, Interesting)

Deadplant (212273) | more than 6 years ago | (#21958546)

The domain name registrars and the ssl certificate services are all run by crooks.
It is appalling that so much of our security infrastructure relies on this pack of thieves.

What should be we do to correct this problem?

Perhaps a consortium of the major Internet providers could start up a new DNS system.
I'm not talking about Comcast/verizon/aol, I'm talking about Level3, Cogent, Teleglobe etc..

thoughts?

Don't use WHOIS (5, Interesting)

Antibozo (410516) | more than 6 years ago | (#21958576)

Whether it's NSI or some other registrar doing it, this has been a known issue for a long time. The solution is not to use WHOIS. Instead follow DNS from the root and see if it goes anywhere. E.g.:

dig the-domain-you-want.com. +trace

Re:Don't use WHOIS (3, Insightful)

Deadplant (212273) | more than 6 years ago | (#21958744)

The solution is not to use WHOIS. Instead follow DNS from the root and see if it goes anywhere.


Nah, that's a workaround.
The solution is to revoke their corporate charter.

Re:Don't use WHOIS (2, Insightful)

IBBoard (1128019) | more than 6 years ago | (#21958792)

Except that you might get a lack of response when a domain is registered because someone has registered it but not put any DNS records behind it. That plus your ISP can still sniff that request anyway (which apparently some of them do).

On the main topic: as if it isn't bad enough having to beat the general domain squatters to a domain before they "squat" all over it, now you've got to beat the registrar to it as well?

Re:Don't use WHOIS (2, Interesting)

Antibozo (410516) | more than 6 years ago | (#21958986)

Except that you might get a lack of response when a domain is registered because someone has registered it but not put any DNS records behind it.

Yes, there are rare cases where you might not see a response, at which point you can go ahead and try to register the domain and perhaps fail. But most registrars throw in their own parking nameservers at registration time automatically, so it's pretty unusual to find a name that is in a registry but has no DNS records. The more likely scenario is when a domain is in HOLD status after expiring.

That plus your ISP can still sniff that request anyway (which apparently some of them do).

If you know of cases where ISPs are speculatively squatting on domains based on sniffed DNS lookups, please enlighten us. Certainly there are scenarios where even a DNS lookup could trigger squatting or tasting; after all, a GTLD server operator might be colluding. The noise level in DNS is so high, though, that they would be thrashing the TLD registries pretty heavily if they were doing this.

ICANN to the rescue! (5, Funny)

EllynGeek (824747) | more than 6 years ago | (#21958588)

Don't worry, ICANN will fix everything and make it right!

I slay me.

I did it just now... They do it. (2, Informative)

marked23 (693822) | more than 6 years ago | (#21958590)

I did whois on frammusjammer.com at NSI, then thirty seconds later tried to buy the domain at Godaddy. It was already taken. Checked whois at register.com and it shows NSI as the owner.

Re:I did it just now... They do it. (1)

IBBoard (1128019) | more than 6 years ago | (#21958864)

Lets see whether they snap up "purplepickledpenguins.com" shortly :)

Re:I did it just now... They do it. (1)

IBBoard (1128019) | more than 6 years ago | (#21958968)

Wow, not even a minute and [url=http://whois.domaintools.com/purplepickledpenguins.com]WhoIs.sc[/url] lists the domain registrant as

"This Domain is available at NetworkSolutions.com" owns about 135 other domains

Other interesting information:

NS1.RESERVEDDOMAINNAME.COM (has 1,856 domains)

So if they're running a single name server then they aren't registering many domains.

They also seem to insta-park it, so it isn't even as if they just "register it to keep it safe for you". They do it so they can pimp their "domains from $20" pages.

F*** You Network Solutions (2, Informative)

T-Kir (597145) | more than 6 years ago | (#21958596)

Just tried that search (my subject line) on the Network Solutions site and all domains for it were available, yet I searched using Easily.co.uk immediately after and f***younetworksolutions.com was registered by them immediately:

Record expires on 08-Jan-2009.
Record created on 08-Jan-2008.
Database last updated on 8-Jan-2008 14:38:53 EST.

Yup, I did that 4 mins ago.

I wonder how much it is costing them per domain :-D

Re:F*** You Network Solutions (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21958798)

This is really messed up... I did a similar test with netsol-is-fubar.com and netsol-is-fubar2.com and Network Solutions said each was available. A few minutes later, I used whois from a linux command line and it showed that they were both registered today by Network Solutions. This should be illegal, but since they've opened the door, perhaps someone should implement and distribute a script that checks to see if networksolutions-sucks-xxxxx.com with an infinite loop that increments the value of xxxx. Make them pay for their bad behavior.

Re:F*** You Network Solutions (1)

JeepFanatic (993244) | more than 6 years ago | (#21958860)

I just tried this exact thing with networksolutionsarecrooks.com. Same result. Within minutes it was showing up in a standard whois.

Record expires on 08-Jan-2009.
Record created on 08-Jan-2008.
Database last updated on 8-Jan-2008 14:55:37 EST.

I've heard rumors about this sort of thing before but now I've seen it with my own eyes.

So? (1)

no-body (127863) | more than 6 years ago | (#21958606)

What else is new in this world except that your privacy is screwed for greed and $$'s?

One has to develop a 6th or 7th sense in this post-1984 world.

Search for a domain and buy it right at the spot of search from the competitively priced registrar of your choice - one who has a live (US) customer rep on a phone line (this actually exists).

Your 6++th sense has to warn you right at the point of typing in a query on a ridiculously expensive registrar to NOT(!!) do this and find out why this bell rings.

Otherwise, you are peacemeat.

(No question that NS is to be avoided and what they are doing stinks - greedy bastards!)

Legal (1)

DoofusOfDeath (636671) | more than 6 years ago | (#21958646)

Does this make them an abuser of monopoly (there's only one really used DNS)? Or perhaps fraudulent? Or do they violate privacy? Misappropriate implied-confidential information? Do the registrars form an illegal cartel via this behavior?

Re:Legal (1)

the laz (801318) | more than 6 years ago | (#21958702)

If this is really true, how is the FTC not already investigating?

Re:Legal (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21959050)

FTC won't investigate things owned by a US gov't department and .com is owned by US Department of Commerce. You can't sue a US department without getting their permission first but there is a legal way to request documents from them that imply that you are going to do that. Once those documents are drafted, everyone and their dog can send them in and they will quickly get the hint that something is very wrong and might just do something.

Re:Legal (1)

bandmassa (951387) | more than 6 years ago | (#21958862)

I suspect all of the above. The whole domain name registration system is a house of cards, based on the capitalist model of he with the gold makes the rules. I could probably make flippant comments about impending revolutions, walls and firing squads, but that would get me labelled a terrorist.

Happened to me recently (1)

Mean Variance (913229) | more than 6 years ago | (#21958700)

I used to own cube111.com and let it lapse on purpose. I recently checked its availability, which it was. I was going to reregister the domain when I found a web host to pair with it. I did, and lo and behold, it's taken and parked by "Protected Domain Services." Either one of the web hosters I was checking did it, but I think it's this site which I've used to check domains.

http://whois.domaintools.com/cube111.com [domaintools.com]

Whoever did it, I think it's crap that they scrape out or listen in on potential names.

I'm going to try some semimeaningful name searches on domaintools.com as an experiment.

That's no fun (1)

Minwee (522556) | more than 6 years ago | (#21958762)

Don't bother trying to get them to register NSISUCKS.COM. They already own it.

Strangely enough, it seems to redirect to their own home page. I guess they are okay with sucking.

It doesn't cost them (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21958768)

I'll just respond in whole to the dozen or so posts above this one... don't bother writing automated requests to "bankrupt" NSI, as it doesn't cost them a cent to register a domain and then release it with in a few days. It's called domain tasting, which is also a problem with domain names that expire and are snatched up by creeps running scripts at the head end of one of the less scrupulous registrars.

Illegal (1)

gillbates (106458) | more than 6 years ago | (#21958770)

IIRC, domain squatting is illegal. I think all that needs to be done, if NSI is indeed doing this, is to document it thoroughly and send a nice explanatory letter to the Attorney General.

Re:Illegal (1)

spyrochaete (707033) | more than 6 years ago | (#21958906)

IIRC, domain squatting is illegal. I think all that needs to be done, if NSI is indeed doing this, is to document it thoroughly and send a nice explanatory letter to the Attorney General.
In TFA the original poster reported this to ICANN. They didn't care and couldn't help.

They aren't buying pointlessuseoftechnology.com (1)

davidwr (791652) | more than 6 years ago | (#21958774)

pointlessuseoftechnology.com [slashdot.org] is still available despite several WHOIS lookups over the past couple of weeks.

Re:They aren't buying pointlessuseoftechnology.com (1)

Xonea (637183) | more than 6 years ago | (#21958938)

It is registered to them now.

Doesn't cost NSI a dime, money is refunded (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21958786)

This likely doesn't cost NSI a dime. From wikipedia:

Domain tasting, is a practice of registrants using the five-day "grace period" at the beginning of a domain registration for ICANN-regulated generic top-level domains to test the marketability of a domain name. During this period, when a registration must be fully refunded by the domain registry, a cost-benefit analysis is conducted by the registrant on the viability of deriving income from advertisements being placed on the domain's web site.

Well, at least they don't discriminate ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21958790)

I, for one, welcome the newest and soon-to-be-favorite domain on the tubes, http://bitchassmotherfucked.com/ [bitchassmotherfucked.com]

Big companies who commit big crimes go free..... (3, Insightful)

Raisey-raison (850922) | more than 6 years ago | (#21958818)

I never understand why given that this is blatantly anti competitive, companies aren't immediately prosecuted under anti trust laws with their directors going to prison. And don't forget about some nasty fines and civil penalties. So if we find a college kid who copies a movie we prosecute the f*ck out of them and financially squeeze them until they are thoroughly screwed over. But if you are a big company and you screw over millions of people, you get off scot-free. Apart from the fact that the rule of law is a joke if the powerful are not investigated it would be better for the economy and everyone's standard of living if anti trust laws were enforced. How many extra thousands of dollars every year do we spend on things because they are more expensive than they would naturally be if companies were not violating anti trust laws.

netsol's very handy suggestions (1)

fearlezz (594718) | more than 6 years ago | (#21958822)

Congratulations! The following domains are available: netw0rk-s0luti0ns-sucks-cock.com
[...]
Domain Names From $14.99:
netw0rk-s0luti0ns-blows-cock.com
netw0rk-s0luti0ns-sucks-dick.com
netw0rk-s0luti0ns-blows-dick.com
netw0rk-s0luti0ns-sux-cock.com
netw0rk-s0luti0ns-sux-dick.com
n3tw0rks0luti0nssuckscock.com
netw0rk-s0luti0ns-sucksballs-cock.com
well... if you insist :-)
unfortunately, the suggestions don't get registered when selected

Re:netsol's very handy suggestions (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21958984)

http://fucknetworksolutionsintheasswithabigdildo.com/ [fucknetwor...gdildo.com]

Hmm... seems to be true.

It's time to do away with DNS as we know it. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21958858)

DNS names make up a dirty (funny?) business. It's time to change. Any ideas?

Here's mine:
2010: Create a new "top" for the domain system: .
----: Create .fed.us. (to replace .gov)
----: Create .mil.fed.us (to replace .mil)
----: Create .com.us. (for generic name registrations, to replace .com)
2011: Stop new registrations in .aero, .biz, .info, .tel, and other new gTLDs.
----: Create .org.us for U.S. 501(c)(3) orgs.
----: Create .edu.us for accredited U.S. colleges.
2012: Stop new registrations in .com, .net, and .org
2015: Delete old .gov (all should have been moved to .fed.us. (or .[state postal abbr].us.)
----: Delete old .mil (all should have been moved to .mil.fed.us (or .mil.[state postal abbr].us. for National Guard units)
2016: Delete .aero, .biz, .info, .tel, and other uncommon gTLDs.
2017: Delete .com, .net, and .org. At this point everything is on the new system.

Whate influence would ICANN et al. have in this new system? Comments welcome.

Cool! (1)

sfled (231432) | more than 6 years ago | (#21958884)

fucknetsolintheass.com is now registered to Network Solutions!

Oh, wait.

Worthless (1)

TyIzaeL (1203354) | more than 6 years ago | (#21958886)

What NSI is doing is a perfect scheme, as [iirc] you can 'return' a domain 30 (or is it 60?) days after registering without having to pay for it. This feature has been abused by shady companies for a while now.

Just tried it (1)

mythicknight (986282) | more than 6 years ago | (#21958894)

lolnetworksolutions.com wow

This is new? seems like an old scam to me... (1)

CodeShark (17400) | more than 6 years ago | (#21958952)

There's been numerous times I thought of a good domain name, only to have it disappear within minutes or hours, and worse yet -- see it marketed by the registrar that I used to "check" the who is. You know the type, "get this web site address, going fast, etc." Next thing you know unethical registrars will be making an ebay type two way interface for domain names with the timings coincidentally matched to auction off my good idea for a name with the expiration for the domain being just before they'd have to pay NSI or someone else for it. Or some such equally corrupt practice.


Because ICANN is not real high on public accountability as opposed to corporate interests. my question is this: why should we should be surprised that ICANN doesn't stomp this out?

Confirmed... (1)

Androclese (627848) | more than 6 years ago | (#21959014)

I did a "whois netsolstolethisdomain.com" from the command line, the domain was available.
I searched for it on the NetSol website then went back to the command line and re-ran the whois search.

By the time I re-ran the whois, it was already registered and locked. ...it only took me less than 5 seconds to re-run that whois search.

So, to keep your domain from being "stolen" by NetSol, do you searches from the command line if you have access to do so.

Remove! (1)

X86Daddy (446356) | more than 6 years ago | (#21959058)

When the "cybersquatting" laws and rules, etc... went into effect, everyone knew it was corporate protectionism bullshit and most individual people would be shafted, rather than protected from the practice. Now, this blatant, predatory behavior from a company that is allowed a trusted level of Internet access demands a response. Because that response will not come from an orderly, pre-defined process, or "representatives" at a corporate or governmental level, it will have to come from elsewhere.

Network Solutions should be removed from the Internet for the good of the Internet. By whatever means.

And yes, I've been burned by exactly this kind of asshat behavior, a year and a half ago, along with every time I see an already squatted-on domain. It's one thing when perpetrated by predatory people out there akin to spammers... It's quite another when an organization at this level violates the trust given it to act in the same way.

I'd seriously like to know what technical, etc... means exist to completely remove their influence from the Internet. Maybe this will be the straw that results in people adopting alternative DNS, etc... I'd love to see a thread develop with a functional response.

NetworkSolutionsHatesNiggers.COM (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21959080)

I certainly don't feel this way, but looks like Network Solutions does. I wonder if the ALCU would care about this?
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