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Negroponte vs Intel

CmdrTaco posted more than 6 years ago | from the in-this-corner dept.

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Yogi_Stewart_4 writes "More OLPC/Intel love — apparently Intel used 'underhanded' tactics to try to block sales' contracts of the OLPC, trying to reach the customer directly after an agreement had been reached. "They would go in even after we had signed contracts and try to persuade government officials to scrap their contract and sign a contract with them instead. That's not a partnership." Mr Negroponte cited an example in Peru where Intel sales staff tried to persuade the country's vice-minister of education, Oscar Becerra Tresierra, to buy the Intel Classmate PC."

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Has Mr. Negroponte ever bought a car? (-1, Offtopic)

jpellino (202698) | more than 6 years ago | (#21968164)

cuz I had the same joy there.

Negroponte (-1, Troll)

elrous0 (869638) | more than 6 years ago | (#21968178)

If Negroponte really just carted about the kids, and not his own ego, why would he care WHERE a government got its laptops from?

He doesn't want kids having laptops and educational material. He wants kids having HIS laptops and HIS educational materials.

Re:Negroponte (2, Insightful)

Yetihehe (971185) | more than 6 years ago | (#21968218)

Or maybe he wants children to use open source software not windows?

Re:Negroponte (2, Interesting)

goldspider (445116) | more than 6 years ago | (#21968756)

So the OLPC project is a religious crusade? Wonderful! And here I thought we were just trying to get educational tools into the hands of children.

Re:Negroponte (4, Insightful)

nahdude812 (88157) | more than 6 years ago | (#21969516)

The success of his project is dependent on getting enough orders to give them economy of scale savings. He is courting the wealthier countries right now, and as he gets more orders, he can reduce cost further, and reach a more and more impoverished market. If Intel uses this as a way to have OLPC do all the front work of identifying markets, getting in to talk with the people who can make the buying decisions, and then end-gaming them on the sale, they are not only hurting the success of the OLPC project and shortening its eventual reach, they are also directly stealing value from the project which did the initial effort investment. Some of these countries might not have talked to Intel directly, but had heard good things about this OLPC thing and so first entertained the idea only because of the merits brought by that project. Intel is therefore operating under the guise of friendship and help, while cannibalizing the underlying foundation of the project.

OLPC laptops are more open, more free, better designed, and less expensive. Intel ClassMate PC's are proprietary, less rugged, and require more power to operate. Worst of all they are for-profit, and those profits are sent to Intel stock holders, making wealthy business men wealthier at the expense of money which would better be used satisfying an educational need in the exact same arena as the laptop was advertised as intending to assist. They unnecessarily drain valuable resources from the very market they are pretending to aid.

Basically this is about as disgustingly slimy as I think they are able to be.

Re:Negroponte (2, Interesting)

argiedot (1035754) | more than 6 years ago | (#21969520)

It's $50 cheaper than the Classmate PC. At $200 for the OLPC laptop that means that you can give five kids laptops for the same amount of money that you could give four kids the Classmate PC. And that's after the fact that the Linux discount saved them $35. Of course, one would assume that all the effort gone into designing an interface for children that encourages them to search and learn has some additional value. So basically the idea is to get more educational value for less price.

As for the advantages of open source, I'm not sure how long these kids will get to use the laptops, but 13, 14 year olds can do things that I can't think of.

I personally think that spending the money on books, libraries and teachers would work better. Atleast in my country (India), that is true, and I'm glad they backed off from the OLPC. However, Intel's actions are unconscionable any way. It is obvious their goals are different. Those few hundred thousand who won't get laptops because the price is higher won't matter to them.

Re:Negroponte (3, Interesting)

Locutus (9039) | more than 6 years ago | (#21969592)

he might also feel that putting a diesel generator right outside the window of the classroom so that the Classmate PC's can have power, just might not be good for the kids. I read in an interview where Intel came in an won a contract over the XO but when they got the laptops in the class, the inconsistent power they had would not allow for a full school day's use of the laptops. Intel brought in a diesel generator to provide constant power.

Somehow, it just doesn't seem to be a very efficient or effective way to get laptops to these kids. It is also a very good example of how the Classmate PC is not in the same league as the XO in its design goals.

So maybe Negroponte is on the warpath to keeping diesel fumes away from kids. ;-/

LoB

Re:Negroponte (0)

SharpFang (651121) | more than 6 years ago | (#21968262)

Interesting question.

I sense a flaw in your logic, but interestingly, I can't quite pinpoint it.

Re:Negroponte (5, Insightful)

Svartalf (2997) | more than 6 years ago | (#21968368)

The flaw lies in that Intel promised to NOT poach like they seem to have been doing and did it anyway.

It's not that Negroponte has an ego (but everyone is seizing on the fact the man DOES have a big ego...)
but that Intel didn't live up to it's promises. If the stunt in Peru is provable, then Intel DOES have
a big bit of explaining to do- and what Negroponte has been saying isn't QUITE the "hogwash" they're
claiming it is.

It's not that he doesn't want laptops in the hands of kids. He wants education TOOLS in the hands of
kids. Unfortunately, all the Classmate devices seem to be is indoctrination tools for Microsoft products
as opposed to engines to be re-worked, etc. to teach thinking in addition to knowledge. OLPC's goal is
that. All the Classmate seems to be is discounted Windows stuff for kids and calling it "education".

I've a problem with that.

Re:Negroponte (1)

SharpFang (651121) | more than 6 years ago | (#21968690)

The OS of XO is free and open-source. Classmate specs are better than XO. There is a bit of goods in XO hardware, but not all that much. Most of it is in the software. The way I see it from the government side would be "Yes, okay, but without Windows preinstalled please. Get Linux with Sugar running on it, make it 100% compatibile with XO software, and get the price by 10% below XO (shouldn't be hard, you're dropping costly Windows, don't you? *wink-wink*) and we'll spend the same amount of cash we'd spend on XO to get 10% of the laptops more."

Re:Negroponte (5, Informative)

hhas (990942) | more than 6 years ago | (#21969464)

"Classmate specs are better than XO. There is a bit of goods in XO hardware, but not all that much"

Depends on your definition of 'better'. I don't think the OLPC hardware should be underestimated. The Classmate may have a faster processor and more storage, but it also has a shorter battery life, no 'e-book' mode, no mesh network, isn't nearly as rugged or user serviceable, and costs more. Given that a 366MHz processor and 128MB RAM is a perfectly respectable combo as long as the software is tuned for it, flexibility and longevity ought to be a more significant factor than raw [on-paper] grunt.

There's a nice recent take-apart here:

http://www.bunniestudios.com/blog/?p=218 [bunniestudios.com]

Obviously a great deal of thought and design has gone into these beasties. If only my own (much-battered) machines were built like that...

Re:Negroponte (3, Insightful)

steveg (55825) | more than 6 years ago | (#21969558)

Well, the Classmate hardware specs *are* better than the XO -- but only "conventional" specs.

What about innovative features that the XO embodies? The sunlight readable screen, the tablet like e-book mode, the ultra low power capabilities, the mesh networking? Admittedly, you could argue that the mesh networking is as much software as hardware, but the hardware is a part of it.

In addition, is the Classmate as rugged as the XO?

I don't think just adding Sugar to the Classmate would match up. I submit that despite the higher specs on CPU speed, RAM, and storage, the Classmate hardware represents inferior hardware for the stated purpose as compared to the XO. Those specs are not very significant to the mission that both these units claim to aim at. The hardware advantages that the XO brings to the table *do* make a difference to that mission.

And it wouldn't be easy to save a ton of money by dropping Windows. MS is deathly afraid of non-MS OSes taking hold in the developing world -- they are offering Windows in that market at $3 a pop.

Re:Negroponte (1)

Intelista (1187985) | more than 6 years ago | (#21969128)

I totally agree that this is disgusting behavior, and Intel must accept responsibility. However, I think it only fair to point out that the message from above in Intel is to play fair in situations like these. I doubt senior management would authorize something like this: it's probably a case of some overzealous salesperson acting out of line. As an Intel employee, they force us to take tons of classes specifically aimed to prevent this kind of stuff, but it happens anyway. I can't believe it was sanctioned, because it's just too darn stupid. I don't have a lot of visibility on this, though, since I'm in design, not sales.


As far as Classmate vs. XO, I think that's a smokescreen for the real issue: how to push PC-like objects with the right features into low price points and high quality so that they are affordable enough to use for mass education projects. Everybody knows Intel can't design PCs, the only technical role they can play is getting cheap, good-performance, low-power SOCs out the door. As a publicly owned company, they can only do this if they have a financial story. And getting locked into *exclusively* supporting an initiative that only uses the competition's processors? Come on! I'm as big of an intelligent critic of capitalism as anyone I personally know, but expecting Intel to back OLPC to the hilt at any cost is just the dumbest thing I've ever heard, and it amazes me how many otherwise intelligent people don't understand that. Let Intel compete to get the right processors in the right solution; that's all Intel knows how to do anyway (and as long as AMD keeps them honest, that's what they do).

And please, don't give me a rant on how everything from the west is too darned expensive anyway, because most of that boils down to issues of ridiculously manipulated currency markets.

Re:Negroponte (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21968264)

>If Negroponte really just carted about the kids, and not his own ego, ...

If Intel cared about the kids and not their profits ...

Re:Negroponte (1)

lbmouse (473316) | more than 6 years ago | (#21968474)

Intel is just like any other company that has a responsibility to its shareholders. Now if only the shareholders cared about the kids and not their profits...

Re:Negroponte (4, Insightful)

1u3hr (530656) | more than 6 years ago | (#21968770)

Intel is just like any other company that has a responsibility to its shareholders.

It signed agreements with OLPC, so it has a responsibility to live up to that. "Maximising profits for shareholders" does not make it okay to break contracts, lie, cheat or steal, despite what many MBAs seem to think.

Re:Negroponte (1)

jacquesm (154384) | more than 6 years ago | (#21968846)

what's that movie called again ? If the profits outweigh the cost of the lawsuit...

It's quite sick but companies routinely make decisions like this.
 

Re:Negroponte (4, Insightful)

smilindog2000 (907665) | more than 6 years ago | (#21969316)

I wish I had a catchy name... "Bill's Law" just wont catch on. Anyway, here's why companies like Intel can both support OLPC with heartfelt charity, while at the same-time underhandedly stealing their market:

A corporation's actions are dictated by the weakest morals of it's leaders.

Corollary: The simplest way to make a corporation good is to have a strong ethical leader. I guarantee that the leaders involved in working with OLPC are honest people. I also guarantee the leaders involved in knee-capping OLPC are dishonest. A strong leader would find one personality for the company, and enforce it on the troops. Weak leaders allow multiple personalities to come forward when convenient.

Re:Negroponte (1)

Falesh (1000255) | more than 6 years ago | (#21969356)

If they do that then they run the risk of a public backlash, like the reactions to this story.

Re:Negroponte (1)

KenshoDude (1001993) | more than 6 years ago | (#21969626)

what's that movie called again ? If the profits outweigh the cost of the lawsuit...

Fight club?

"You take the population of vehicles in the field (A) and multiply it by the probable rate of failure (B), then multiply the result by the average cost of an out-of-court settlement (C). A times B times C equals X. This is what it will cost if we don't initiate a recall. If X is greater than the cost of a recall, we recall the cars and no one gets hurt. If X is less than the cost of a recall, then we don't recall."

Perhaps we can modify it for the case at hand:

A) Estimated public significance of a particular unethical behavior
B) Probability of the unethical behavior being revealed to the public
C) Estimated cost of repairing damaged image due to unethtical behavior

A * B* C = X , which is what it costs to act unethically. If X is greater than the profit we stand to make by acting unethically, we act ethically. But if X is less than estimated profit... MWUAHAHAHA

Re:Negroponte (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21968288)

Well, maybe it has something to do with the fact Intel signed an agreement with OLPC? If I were running a business and one of my subcontractors ran off behind my back trying to poach clients, I'd be a tad pissed off too.

Even with a "humanitarian" purpose, OLPC has to be aware of threats to its overall business sustainability ... and a partner firm sabotaging sales agreements is most certainly a threat.

Re:Negroponte (-1, Flamebait)

elrous0 (869638) | more than 6 years ago | (#21968356)

His fight with them goes WAY back before this. He has been into it with Intel since they dared to crash his ego party a couple of years ago. Negroponte wants to do things HIS way and be the head honcho. He wants OLPC to be a monument to himself and a celebration of his own genius.

Re:Negroponte (0)

PaintyThePirate (682047) | more than 6 years ago | (#21968412)

Yes, but more than that, Peru had already signed a contract with OLPC for a few hundred thousand laptops. Intel, an OLPC "partner", then tried to get Peru to drop the OLPC contract in favor of their Classmate laptop.

Re:Negroponte (4, Insightful)

mrchaotica (681592) | more than 6 years ago | (#21968296)

He wants kids having HIS laptops and HIS educational materials.

No, he wants kids to have good laptops and good educational materials. The Intel Classmate PC does not qualify on either count!

Re:Negroponte (-1, Troll)

elrous0 (869638) | more than 6 years ago | (#21968382)

And that is for him to decide, is it?

Re:Negroponte (1)

Improv (2467) | more than 6 years ago | (#21968458)

If you were to start a homeless shelter and get the backing of some financial sponsors, knowing that state and other funds to help you depends on your having certain numbers of clients, it would be clearly inappropriate for those same sponsors to agressively set up their own shelters in order to block you out (if social groups were generally meaner, we could imagine different churches doing this kind of thing to promote their particular denomination - fortunately churches tend to consider their notion of the public good when doing charity). On one level, it's most important that the shelters exist, but on another it's not kosher to enter a partnership with someone if you're doing it in order to undermine whatever venture they're working on.

Re:Negroponte (1)

jorenko (238937) | more than 6 years ago | (#21968664)

I'd say this is more like McDonald's, as a partner in the homeless shelter organization, trying to tear down one of the homeless shelters in order to build a McDonald's location there instead.

Re:Negroponte (1)

EvilMonkeySlayer (826044) | more than 6 years ago | (#21968488)

No, it certainly isn't. But it isn't up to Intel to decide that either.

Re:Negroponte (0)

elrous0 (869638) | more than 6 years ago | (#21968562)

No, it's up to the people who are actually buying and using the laptops. And if they decide to go with Intel, he has no right to throw a hissy-fit about it.

Re:Negroponte (1)

Grundlefleck (1110925) | more than 6 years ago | (#21969102)

No, it's up to the people who are actually buying and using the laptops. And if they decide to go with Intel, he has no right to throw a hissy-fit about it.


He does have a right, and to more than just a hissy-fit, if Intel encouraged a customer to break a legally binding contract, and if by doing so broke their own contract with OLPC, though I'm not sure if this is the case.

It's not just about choosing the Classmate over the XO, it's about choosing it after having agreed to purchase the XO, and being encouraged to do so by a so called partner of the OLPC.

Re:Negroponte (2, Insightful)

somersault (912633) | more than 6 years ago | (#21968934)

Providing a choice is always a good thing. Do you like that Microsoft and Intel traditionally get to decide what is 'good' for us? Negroponte has at the very least been raising a lot of awareness about the state of education in poorer parts of the world. Even if you disagree with his solution and methods, and even if he has a big ego as a few people here are claiming, he's providing a choice and making the big boys like Intel notice, so he must be doing something right.

Re:Negroponte (5, Insightful)

sogoodsofarsowhat (662830) | more than 6 years ago | (#21968388)

This is a troll above. Truth is even in regular for profit business if a partner company did this to my group of companies i would kick them to the curb in a split second. It is not about profits this is about being outright dishonest. You do not do business with dishonest companies.....plain and simple. Unless you enjoy getting screwed over. Why waste your time and efforts working with a dishonest partner? I know i do not and have survived as a US maker of Audio products (OEM level) for more than 40 years. Never underestimate the power of being honest and keeping your word....it will allow you to survive long after all the other bigger players have either went bankrupt or sold to off shore companies because they are no longer viable to operate here. I have seen and purchased many of those whom thought they were so smart and keen (and dishonest) yet my company is still in the USA and still making jobs and growing....and making a nice profit....why....becuase when a customer partners with me....they know they will not be screwed over. 40+years and counting....:) I wish Negroponte the best , he should have known that the likes of MS and intel cannot be trusted they are NOT honorable companies. Yes they have made huge profits....but i sleep very well at night and customers i have had for 30+ years call me more than supplier, many consider me close personal friend. Those who say business is only about profits....need to take an ethics course or 10 and also need to realize it is not just about profits. Many times ive made the choice that was less profitable or not profitable but was the RIGHT thing to do. What will you do when pressed by such a situation? Will you choose profit or what is right? The answer will determine if you really are an enlightened individual or just a blood sucker. Thats the difference.

Re:Negroponte (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21968438)

More OLPCs delivered will mean cheaper OLPCs for children in other countries. Secondly, the OLPC fits its purpose better than Intel's Classmate and uses open source software instead of forcing software that is proprietary as well as inferior on yet another generation of children.

Re:Negroponte (1)

antixogh (1022049) | more than 6 years ago | (#21968456)

my guess would be that the "Intel Classmate PC" might cost more (not the mention you can't even buy it yet from what i understand), so cheaper means more laptops for more users. aside from that, intel is trying to piggyback on his(OLPC's) hard work, from what i gather mr negroponte isn't in this for the money... i can only imagine intel is.

Re:Negroponte (5, Insightful)

hey! (33014) | more than 6 years ago | (#21968478)

That's an interesting issue but your answer is naive.

Non-profits and for-profits are more alike than people think. If a non-profit doesn't pay the electricity bills, the lights go off. If a non-profit program doesn't reach sufficient volume, its unit costs go through the roof because of the fixed costs are amortized over fewer units. Just like a for-profit.

The difference between non-profits and for-profits is why they do what they do, not how.

If there are 270,000 children who need laptops in Peru, a non-profit would try to equip as many of them as humanly possible. A for-profit will try to equip the number of children which would maximize its profits. For example, suppose Intel's profits are maximized by equipping 135,000 children in Peru. The government would buy more if the price were lower, but Intel's profit margin would be lower. Intel could increase its unit margin so that it made more on each PC, but Peru would buy sufficiently fewer that the net profits would decrease.

The difference between a non-profit and a for-profit is that a for-profit never considers costs that are external to itself, such as the cost of 135,000 children who grow up without access to information and the world economy. A non-profit internalizes as much of that cost as possible.

When two for-profits compete, they try to poach the plum contracts from each other, and it doesn't matter. They both act in exactly the same way, so the differences between the two are small. When either looks at a population of 270,000 customers, 135,000 of which don't have enough money to play, they see a market of 135,000, give or take a few, plus 135,000 non-entities who they have no intention of serving. When they compete with each other, the more efficient of the two might equip 140,000, and the less efficient might equip 120,000, and so market efficiencies maximize the public benefit, if the only choice is between two entities that weigh the public benefit in exactly the same manner.

When a for-profit cherry picks the plum contracts from a non-profit, it's a different matter altogether. The efficient for profit equips 140,000 where the non-profit would equip 270,000. What's more the non-profit can't pick up the slack, because (a) there's no money and (b) they are amortizing their costs over fewer units so they can no longer provide product at lower prices than the for-profit.

Right or wrong? You decide. But it's certainly about more than personal ego. It's about educating students whom it is not profitable to equip; and if it is not profitable, it will never happen.

Re:Negroponte (1)

iminplaya (723125) | more than 6 years ago | (#21969074)

...135,000 children who grow up without access to information and the world economy.

"Ignorance is power"

Re:Negroponte (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21968726)

He doesn't want kids having laptops and educational material. He wants kids having HIS laptops and HIS educational materials.


Exactly so. Another issue is how Double N is also dedicated to using his device to somehow try and "break teh Mikro$loth monopoliez!!!11!" Many people working for OLPC have said they would quit if it was going to be a Windows machine... but many customers are demanding Windows so the children can compete in the global job market.

It's really funny- all the OLPC-tards were saying how great the free market was, and it would let them bust Microsoft and Intel's balls, and get the third world hooked on Teh Lunix, blah blah. But now that the real market is kicking them in the ass, now they whine and complain.

Welcome to the real world, OLPC. Someone came along and made a better machine while your project was long overdue and had cost overruns. Now your junky machine is out of date, and a competitor is coming along and eating all your pie.

Re:Negroponte (4, Insightful)

sribe (304414) | more than 6 years ago | (#21968960)

...but many customers are demanding Windows so the children can compete in the global job market.

Which is sheer stupidity! Learning Windows is not what children need to compete in the global job market. A good education is what they need. Something that Negroponte, the educator, and Papert, the master behind the scenes who has devoted his life to studying how children learn, understand a bit better than Intel's sales flacks.

Nonsense (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21968974)

"but many customers are demanding Windows so the children can compete in the global job market."

You just make crap up and pass it off as fact.

Who are these customers, and how does "knowing windows" help compete for any job?

Be specific in replying. The whole world knows you're making junk up. It's up to you to convince them that you have a *bit* of a clue.

Re:Negroponte (0, Troll)

elrous0 (869638) | more than 6 years ago | (#21969462)

You guys can keep modding me down all you like. You can expend hundreds of mod points, so that any OLPC story only has "OLPC is God! Intel should be drawn and quartered!" comments at the top, modded to "+10, super-duper insightful", with all comments even remotely supportive of Intel or critical of OLPC modded to "-40, prick who should be forced to listen to Yanni in Hell."

It still won't change the fact that the OLPC's (and Negroponte's) overwrought idealism and arrogance are dire threats to the viability of this program. Negroponte has managed to piss off many of his best sponsors and most of the governments he is trying to sell his laptops to. That is NOT the path to getting a laptop in the hands of kids. It's the path to becoming a forgotten philanthropic footnote.

But, please, don't let me interrupt the love-fest with my criticism. Expend some more mod points so that even the slightest criticism of this genius can be safely buried and ignored.

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"If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land."

meanwhile, the life0cidal philistines continue on their path of death, debt, & disruption for most of US. gov. bush denies health care for the little ones;

http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/10/03/bush.veto/index.html [cnn.com]

whilst demanding/extorting billions to paint more targets on the bigger kids;

http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/12/12/bush.war.funding/index.html [cnn.com]

& pretending that it isn't happening here;

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article3086937.ece [timesonline.co.uk]
all is not lost/forgotten/forgiven

(yOUR elected) president al gore (deciding not to wait for the much anticipated 'lonesome al answers yOUR questions' interview here on /.) continues to attempt to shed some light on yOUR foibles. talk about reverse polarity;

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Re:corepirate nazi execrable vs. creators (-1, Flamebait)

WaZiX (766733) | more than 6 years ago | (#21968232)

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Re:corepirate nazi execrable vs. creators (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21968420)

>here's a link for yOU: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fluoxetine [wikipedia.org]

Are you the ventriloquist or the _dummy_ ?

Is there a hidden 3rd party? (5, Interesting)

JeepFanatic (993244) | more than 6 years ago | (#21968270)

What I want to know is ... is there a hidden 3rd party pushing Intel *cough*Microsoft*cough*? Intel's device is available with Windows XP. I wouldn't at all be surprised to find out that our "friends" in Redmond are responsible for this in order to get their software into the emerging world instead of Linux.

Re:Is there a hidden 3rd party? (1)

goldspider (445116) | more than 6 years ago | (#21968362)

Who cares? I thought this project was to get educational tools into the hands of people who couldn't otherwise afford it, not a platform from which to push a social IT philosophy.

Re:Is there a hidden 3rd party? (1)

JeepFanatic (993244) | more than 6 years ago | (#21968428)

While I agree that this should be the ultimate goal, then why was Microsoft so persistent about wanting OLPC to run Windows? Microsoft sees this as an as of yet untapped market and wants to get in on the ground floor. If the children of these emerging markets learn to use a computer with Linux installed, they'll be far more comfortable using it as adults and won't have to feed from the Windows teet. Intel has an interest here also in pushing Windows to emerging markets because Windows is largely responsible for Intel's continued sales. Without new versions of Windows requiring faster and more powerful computers, Intel won't sell as many units.

Re:Is there a hidden 3rd party? (1)

goldspider (445116) | more than 6 years ago | (#21968634)

I figured this would be the answer, and I'm not going to argue that that isn't the case. I just don't see it as a deal-breaker. Refusing low-priced laptops because they run Windows is as misguided, IMHO, as refusing vital food aid because some of it contains genetically-engineered crops (and that happens on a regular basis in Africa).

Re:Is there a hidden 3rd party? (4, Informative)

fwarren (579763) | more than 6 years ago | (#21969152)

Refusing low-priced laptops because they run Windows is as misguided

The difference is that the OLPC is:

  1. Is designed to last. One OLPC that lasts 5 years is cheaper than 3 Classmates that only last 18 months each.
  2. Is designed to "mesh" to get internet out to the child farthest from the village. Let me know when Windows XP has a "mesh" update for their wireless stack.
  3. Is packaged with educational software. Microsoft and Intel have not developed any educational software that will go for "free" on these machines. And purchasing more software for the classmate only drives the price up.

I'm sticking with AMD (2, Interesting)

FatSean (18753) | more than 6 years ago | (#21968376)

My current system is an old AMD dual system, and with the way Intel is acting on the world stage, I'm sticking with AMD for my next system.

Re:I'm sticking with AMD (4, Funny)

presearch (214913) | more than 6 years ago | (#21968594)

These days, AMD is running as a non-profit corporation, so you should like them twice as much.

Re:I'm sticking with AMD (1)

ElBeano (570883) | more than 6 years ago | (#21968620)

Given that supposition that Intel is capable of this, you gotta wonder what they've done in other arenas to keep AMD down.

Re:I'm sticking with AMD (1)

hkoster1 (1004142) | more than 6 years ago | (#21968936)

And so will I!

Re:I'm sticking with AMD (1)

SolitaryMan (538416) | more than 6 years ago | (#21969000)

I'm sticking with AMD for my next system.

If AMD continues to do business the way they do now, there will be nothing to stick with.

Re:Is there a hidden 3rd party? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21968454)

Smells of Microsoft, yes. Whoever it is I will no longer purchase or support Intel. Its disgusting.

Re:Is there a hidden 3rd party? (1)

poot_rootbeer (188613) | more than 6 years ago | (#21968692)

What I want to know is ... is there a hidden 3rd party pushing Intel *cough*Microsoft*cough*?

Why does Microsoft have to be the evil boogeyman lurking in the shadows behind every other company that does something nasty?

Can't we accept that Intel, SCO, et al are more than capable of having their own rotten agendas?

Re:Is there a hidden 3rd party? (4, Insightful)

erroneus (253617) | more than 6 years ago | (#21968818)

Because Microsoft *IS* the evil boogeyman lurking in the shadows, etc, etc...

The connections in this and other cases are pretty obvious for even the lay person to see. Further, it has been demonstrated that Microsoft knows no shame nor boundaries in their efforts to buy, push or influence governments and other businesses to do their bidding.

If you've got a dog that has been historically pooping on your carpet and you come home today and find poop on your carpet, you're going to look for the dog!

Re:Is there a hidden 3rd party? (1)

blind biker (1066130) | more than 6 years ago | (#21968954)

Hells yeah. If there's a noble way and a crooked way for MS to achieve the same goal, MS will choose the crooked way - every time.
To be fairh though Intel can be pretty evil all by itself, so it doesn't really need the patronage of Microsoft.

Re:Is there a hidden 3rd party? (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21969280)

Because we are sure they did use the same tactic already on a market where the Classmate is sold with Linux:
http://blog.mandriva.com/2007/10/31/an-open-letter-to-steve-ballmer/ [mandriva.com]

Can't we accept that maybe the wintel evil couple still exist?

Re:Is there a hidden 3rd party? (1)

fwarren (579763) | more than 6 years ago | (#21969288)

Can't we accept that Intel, SCO, et al are more than capable of having their own rotten agendas?

As past performance has indicated. It would be foolish to just automatically write off Microsoft as NOT being involved.

SCO did not have money to follow through on their "case". And in comes Microsoft buying a 10 million dollar license. Then Microsoft went to Baystar of Canada and told them that SCO was a good investment and they would back them if they invested 50 million.

These other companies may be evil. But we often find out that Microsoft is their "enabler".

Re:Is there a hidden 3rd party? (4, Interesting)

_KiTA_ (241027) | more than 6 years ago | (#21968870)

What I want to know is ... is there a hidden 3rd party pushing Intel *cough*Microsoft*cough*? Intel's device is available with Windows XP. I wouldn't at all be surprised to find out that our "friends" in Redmond are responsible for this in order to get their software into the emerging world instead of Linux.

I think it's more along the lines that the entire portable industry has ignored the "subnotebook" market that the OLPC project has shown to be extremely viable, and are now trying en mass to jockey for position.

They supported Negroponte just far enough to basically test the waters, making sure there really WAS a market, then once the "useful idiot" outlived his usefulness, well, out come the daggers.

That's what innovation means nowadays in the computer industry: Wait for someone else to do something interesting, then steal the idea and market it faster than he/she can. I hope Negroponte's project survives this nonsense.

Re:Is there a hidden 3rd party? (1)

goatpunch (668594) | more than 6 years ago | (#21969690)

Intel's Classmate hasn't piggy backed on One Laptop Per Child in any way, what they're offering is "one computing solution per student" [intel.com] , see- a totally different thing.

Re:Is there a hidden 3rd party? (1)

Epi-man (59145) | more than 6 years ago | (#21969238)

What I want to know is ... is there a hidden 3rd party pushing Intel *cough*Microsoft*cough*?


Highly unlikely, Intel has no love for Microsoft (despite their symbiotic relationship) and views them as a potential threat (Microsoft will help AMD just as quickly as Intel if it means more sales).

Think of the children? (1, Insightful)

pembo13 (770295) | more than 6 years ago | (#21968418)

I take it that since the rights and free will of the citizenry aren't at stake no one finds it necessary to think of the children, only the profits. But good luck with that, Intel may be a company, but last I checked they actual human beings are the ones making these decisions and going ahead and acting them out. So bravo, another +mark for humanity.

Total Lack of Ethics (5, Insightful)

tbannist (230135) | more than 6 years ago | (#21968422)

It doesn't matter how badly Intel wanted to sell their more expensive, less functional copy of the OLPC laptop. It is simply unethical to use insider information to quash a deal and sign a separate one yourself with a client.

This is a big black mark against Intel and should serve as a warning to future partners that they can't be trusted at all. I mean you can't get much worse publicity than "deliberately sabotaged a charitable organization". Maybe the CEO of Intel would like follow it up by kicking puppies and eating babies?

Re:Total Lack of Ethics (4, Funny)

Quarters (18322) | more than 6 years ago | (#21968500)

If he ate babies there wouldn't be a market for his Classmate PC.

Re:Total Lack of Ethics (1)

neildiamond (610251) | more than 6 years ago | (#21968766)

Yeah thank God honest companies like Apple wouldn't do business with them! *ducks*

Re:Total Lack of Ethics (1)

tzhuge (1031302) | more than 6 years ago | (#21969164)

While I don't disagree with you that this would be unethical, I am really confused how a situation like this comes up in the first place.

If Intel is actually trying to get the same contracts as OLPC, doesn't that mean OLPC is playing in the same arena as its own industry backers?

Intel and MS (4, Interesting)

HangingChad (677530) | more than 6 years ago | (#21968494)

I don't think MSFT is the driver, more of a means to an end for Intel. Their interests are aligned at some level but mainly Intel wants to sell chips. I'm guessing they don't care which OS runs as long as they can keep a finger in the emerging market pie.

MS and Intel have common goals, but that could change.

What's more interesting is the callous, self-serving manner Intel is undermining a project trying to help people. It's pathetic. Lacking in even basic decency. You can claim corporations exist only for profit but it hasn't always been that way. It's a fairly recent development that we have have, at least corporately, started to turn into the Ferengi. And there are limits. When you start undermining humanitarian projects in order to protect your market position, you're over that line.

Maybe Negroponte should just pull off the gloves and make a deal with Wal-Mart and Costco to carry OLPC's. Use the profits to donate machines to developing nations. Or use the profits to cut schools in this country a big discount. If Intel and MS want a war, give them a war.

Re:Intel and MS (1)

m94mni (541438) | more than 6 years ago | (#21968644)

In the light of Intel's actions, it's really no fun reading

http://www.intel.com/intel/worldahead/olpc.htm [intel.com]

Re:Intel and MS (1)

jcob (6095) | more than 6 years ago | (#21968832)

Lets vote with our wallets and support companies who deserve it.

If they do not support standards, force DRM onto users, behave like a monopoly, do not support drivers into FOSS, deny fair use (like hacking) or threaten security researchers ... simply do not buy their goods and publish why you made the choice.

I would not be against some sort of public blacklist. Date, what happened, links to articles. People tend to forget and this kind of thing would help all of us remember.

Mary Lou Jepsen is doing it for him (1)

DLPierson (8772) | more than 6 years ago | (#21969156)

Maybe Negroponte should just pull off the gloves and make a deal with Wal-Mart and Costco to carry
OLPC's. Use the profits to donate machines to developing nations. Or use the profits to cut schools in
this country a big discount. If Intel and MS want a war, give them a war.


http://laptop.org/vision/people/MaryLouJepsen/ [laptop.org]

Re:Intel and MS (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21969562)

You can claim corporations exist only for profit but it hasn't always been that way.

Yes, it's always been that way, but it isn't always that way. If you can see the difference.

That is, humans (and corporations) have always been greedy, but most humans (and corporations) don't let that dominate their existence.

Go Apple! (5, Funny)

PHPfanboy (841183) | more than 6 years ago | (#21968588)

Disgusting behaviour like this by Intel is why I'll never use Wintel and only buy Apple

Re:Go Apple! (0, Redundant)

sgauss (639539) | more than 6 years ago | (#21968670)

Umm. Who's processor is in current Apple machines? Could it be....Intel?

Re:Go Apple! (0)

chefmonkey (140671) | more than 6 years ago | (#21968672)

Ummm... what? Oh, you must have missed the announcement.

In June.

Of 2005.

I've got a big surprise for you. Open up the next new Apple you buy and read the name on the CPU.

Re:Go Apple! (2, Insightful)

mgblst (80109) | more than 6 years ago | (#21969594)

Here that woosh sound, I wonder what that was?

Re:Go Apple! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21968678)

Because Apple has an exclusive partnership with Intel???

Re:Go Apple! (-1, Flamebait)

Macthorpe (960048) | more than 6 years ago | (#21968782)

Disgusting behaviour like this by Intel is why I'll never use Wintel and only buy Apple
I really hope that this was an attempt to be ironic...

Re:Go Apple! (1)

mgblst (80109) | more than 6 years ago | (#21969634)

blockquote>I really hope that this was an attempt to be ironic...

I really hope that was an attempt at being stupid, because there is no way that his statement could possibly be made to be ironic. Maybe you could spend some time with a dictionary.

And I do think he meant to be sarcastic.

Re:Go Apple! (0, Redundant)

BlackCreek (1004083) | more than 6 years ago | (#21968884)

Disgusting behaviour like this by Intel is why I'll never use Wintel and only buy Apple
Last I heard, Apple was also shipping Intel. I mean you don't even need to RTFA to know the story is about Intel. But then, you shouldn't let facts get in the way of your, hum, cool-aid brand cheering.

Re:Go Apple! (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21969498)

*whoosh*

Re:Go Apple! (1, Redundant)

neildiamond (610251) | more than 6 years ago | (#21968942)

Wow you people really can't spot a joke can you?

Re:Go Apple! (1)

elrous0 (869638) | more than 6 years ago | (#21969554)

I too want to help to world's poor people. That's why I would never buy software made by Bill Gates.

OLPC Alternative Needed (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21968608)

More power to Intel for trying to sell something better. (It certainly won't be hard)

Let Intel know what you think (4, Interesting)

verin (74429) | more than 6 years ago | (#21968624)

From Intel's website:
        Corporate Mailing Address
        2200 Mission College Blvd.
        Santa Clara, CA 95054-1549
        USA
        (408) 765-8080

A phone call or a snail mail letter will go a long way toward letting Intel know it crossed the line.

Intel's Business Code of Conduct (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21968650)

Most large companies have a set of explicitly stated business rules that employees are expected to follow or face disciplinary action. Typically, employees are expected to periodically read and review these rules, and certify that they have done so and will follow them. Sometimes, these rules include explicit prohibitions against trying to sell when the potential customer has already placed a legally-enforceable order with a competitor. The rationale is simple, the order is a contract. You shouldn't encourage anybody to break a contract, because you would be encouraging them to break the law. Apparently, Intel's senior management apparently hasn't seen the need to set the bar that high for their employees. That's too bad and a black mark against Intel for sure. Just another reason to keep buying AMD.

Negroponte has a right to be upset. Intel shouldn't have been doing this against ANY competitor, must less one that they were cooperating with.

The classmate hardware SUCKS, at least... (5, Informative)

nweaver (113078) | more than 6 years ago | (#21968816)

IF targeting the 3rd world, the classmate sucks:

a) There are cooling holes on it! Hello dirt and debris.

b) The keyboard is non ruggedized, at least compared to the XO.

c) It uses a conventional montior arrangement rather than the OLPC "behind the monitor" arrangement. This means that it has a complex, wire heavy connector through the hinge rather than just a USB and power connection.

I don't see how the classmate could last 6 months in a third world environment.

I question some of the OLPC's intent, but their hardware design blows away that Intel POS its not even funny.

Douchebags. (1)

blind biker (1066130) | more than 6 years ago | (#21968820)

How is that of all the other OLPC partner companies, Intel is the only one that just couldn't resist but to pull a fast one? I have a thick skin usually when it comes to corporations' behaviour, but NOT when it's detrimental to a charity. fsck intel

Re:Douchebags. (1)

mea37 (1201159) | more than 6 years ago | (#21968868)

How is that of all the other OLPC partner companies, Intel is the only one that just couldn't avoid being caught pulling a fast one?

Fixed.

Got my OLPC a few days ago (4, Informative)

pez (54) | more than 6 years ago | (#21968880)

I wanted to like the OLPC -- no I wanted to *love* the OLPC. I wanted to love it so much that I wanted to tell the world how awesome it was, and how everyone should participate in the give one get one program.

Then mine arrived in the mail.

Initial reactions were off the charts. The packaging was even excellent! The machine is sturdy, well-built, solid, cleverly designed, rugged, and absolutely perfect for it's purpose. I can't say enough about how many of the design decisions were fantastic. The keyboard was perhaps smaller than I had anticipated, but with the intended use case scenarios even that didn't detract from the brilliance of the hardware.

And then I turned it on.

Anyone who says that the interface is revolutionary or different is trying to put a nice spin on it. Yes, some of the organization and terminology is novel, and one could even praise some of the attempts at getting you to re-think how computers work. But the entire thing feels astonishingly like X Windows from the late 1980s. The interfaces are clunky and inconsistent, and worst of all it suffers from a pervasive design philosophy of "because we could" not "because we should." I could easily forgive a lack of graphical polish, but it's much more difficult to forgive the nearly-20-year giant leap backwards in interface design.

I know what the slashdot crowd is thinking... "it's open source! Write a new UI yourself!" but that's not the point. My point is that I wish the OLPC project had spent half the effort on the software that they did on the hardware -- if they had, then maybe we really would have a device that would change the world. Who knows... maybe a version 2 will have a new UI that actually will.

You've just discovered (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21969330)

new doesn't mean you'll like it.

You've learned certain ways of doing things.

You've got used to them.

You like them.

Now, a proper XO laptop (not a cadged one meant for the children in poor countries) can have a different version of the OS on it. You'll lose the propriatory stuff (though later versions of the XO will have open source drivers or new hardware that does) but you can add a USB wireless connector that works with linux for that.

You have the hardware.

And that's the beauty of ensuring that the XO is free and open. If it used MS Windows you'd probably agreed to only have Windows on it.

If I did something like that, I would be fired (5, Insightful)

sirwired (27582) | more than 6 years ago | (#21968898)

At the company I work for, the Code of Conduct we are required to review every year has an explicit prohibition against this sort of thing. The section is actually entitled "Selling Against a Signed Order". The code isn't that long, so the fact that there is a special section for this one situation shows how important it is.

If I were to try and sell against a signed order, I would be fired. Immediately. With no chance of appeal.

Encouraging a customer to break a signed contract could get both the customer and my company sued by the competitor for contract interference, and rightly so.

SirWired

Intel or Sales people? (0, Troll)

gosand (234100) | more than 6 years ago | (#21969116)

I like how everyone is railing on Intel, which is a corporation. These were acts by sales people. Have you ever dealt with sales people? While it sounds like these were repeated actions, it doesn't sound out of line for a sales organization. If you have sales people where you work, do they embody the spirit of your company, and truly represent it as a whole? I am guessing.... not. Were these actions ethical/moral/nice? Of course not. Is that Intel's fault as a whole? Probably not, but it is a ding against them, and is getting some press. I am sure they don't like that. But people, please... let's keep it in perspective. Comments like "this is why I'll never buy Intel" are just stupid. If you base decisions on things like this, then you'll never buy anything, because I can guarantee you that there are sales people in every organization that would step on their grandmother's throat to make a sale. Nature of the beast, if you will.

I know there were sales people in a small company that I worked for that sold things to clients that didn't exist outside a prototype, and those weren't even authorized. A signed contract and money can go a long way in making executives say "ok, that was wrong - but let's get past that and work together as a team to make this happen!" Hahah... of course, doesn't hurt that the sales dope was best friends with the president and majority shareholder of the company. But I digress.

How does Intel sleep at night? (2, Informative)

PlanetSmashers (1201585) | more than 6 years ago | (#21969122)

This is disgusting. In this day and age where corporate responsibility is a prominent issue, how can Intel go and try to sabotage a charitable organization? Is the Red Cross or Unicef next cause they may have AMD chips in their computers? Do they think they can capitalize on 3rd-world children? Will the dollar difference between the OLPC and Intel version be negligible to those people? What hot-shot marketing guru thought this gem up, was it Scrooge McDuck?

I would like to see Intel publicly humiliated for this. Personally, this changes my decision to use Intel in my next computer. *sigh*... Why does the devil have to make chips?

Well, Groves already set out his stall... (2, Informative)

hughbar (579555) | more than 6 years ago | (#21969232)

http://www.intel.com/pressroom/kits/bios/grove/paranoid.htm [intel.com] with 'only the paranoid survive'. Hey, those bleeding-heart commies have taken business that is rightfully OURS, that means war.

I'm fighting back this year by buying more and more from employee-owned (John Lewis, I'm from the UK) organisations, cooperatives (Telephone Coop, local credit union), mutuals (Royal London) and anything else that doesn't have shareholders and then lastly for-profits with a verifiable social agenda and a record of honourable behaviour (harder and harder to find though).

I'm having a hard time explaining that open-source/Windows is an ethical choice too, many people here seem to only understand that in the context of food-miles and sweatshops, not in the context of technology.

As I work for non-profits, they often say 'we get really good discounts from Microsoft', so we don't want any, without considering the deeper implications. I now send them to this: http://www.freegeekvancouver.org/en/node/125 [freegeekvancouver.org] comprehensive and well-stated.

The OLPC initiative is a very good idea. (1)

Futurepower(R) (558542) | more than 6 years ago | (#21969414)

The OLPC idea needs perhaps 5 or 10 years to mature, in my opinion. After that, when every country in the world realizes how much computers help grow social strength, the market will be far larger and well-defined, and commercial efforts will be very welcome.

The OLPC idea is founded on these understandings: 1) That students will be far more interested in school if they have a way of accessing the world's information, especially where books are not easily available. 2) That students can teach themselves. 3) That computers are fascinating and provide an incentive to learn. 4) That one or two people in a community who are especially good at teaching themselves may provide leadership that helps the entire community grow.

If a foolish entry like Intel's competes, that may kill the entire OLPC experiment. The entire good idea could become discredited or delayed many years.

Intel has in the past been amazingly bad at producing items for users. Until 1991, Intel had a Consumer Products Division that was extremely badly managed. Can it be wise that Intel has decided to go into the low-cost, commodity consumer business, when Intel has always failed at that business? Given Intel's past history and core competency, can Intel become a strong competitor with Mattel?

If Intel wants to compete, it should offer Mr. Negroponte cheaper processors to compete with the AMD processors used now. Producing processors is what Intel does very well, apparently in spite of top management.

Intel, apparently, never wavered from its position that it was in competition with OLPC. Intel tried to kill the program before it got fully started; that's how it appears to the public. Internal attempts at spin control at Intel don't change the public perception that Intel has been, and intends to continue to be, destructive.

Many people seem to think that the underlying problem is that Intel CEO Paul Otellini has extremely poor social skills. It seems to me that the OLPC issue could eventually bring such an accumulation of bad press to Intel that the Intel board fires Otellini.

Certainly Otellini's handling of the One Laptop Per Child initiative could not have been worse. It was as though he said to himself, "How can I get billions of dollars worth of free publicity for Intel, all negative?" Intel's actions have created the impression that Intel wants to kill acceptance of the OLPC so that it can kill the OLPC project and then raise prices on its own products.

Intel marketing should possibly be called Intel "marketing" because it is often propelled by utterly foolish ideas. One example is the Intel trademark "Viiv", which was a bad idea even if people could pronounce it. See, for one example, the article Intel admits defeat with Viiv [vnunet.com] .

Remember what OLPC is! (2, Insightful)

serviscope_minor (664417) | more than 6 years ago | (#21969504)

Before you go on the whole competition is good for laptops speech, remember that OLPC is not a laptop project, it is an education project.

The idea is to improve education in poorer countries, and the laptops are a means to an end, not an end in themselves. Intel's laptop sabotages the OLPC goal because it is a laptop project, not an education project. Remember that the OLPC comes with education based software and even has a "show me the code" button not to mention a screen which is very suitable for reading electronic books. They are carefully designed for education. Intel's laptops aren't. Therefore, competing with OLPC sabotages the goal of better education for poorer people.

Oh, and just to cover the other point, no, you can't eat a laptop, but that's not their purpose: they are not disaster relief tools either, they're education tools.

Intel invested heavily -- big stakes (3, Insightful)

YeeHaW_Jelte (451855) | more than 6 years ago | (#21969526)

"Intel has invested a billion dollars over the last 10 years alone in education around the world," said Mr Otellini.[Head of Intel]

Very telling indeed, but not in the way he intends it. He's basically saying they have high stakes in this market and, being a corporation, they expect a return on this investment.

He's basically giving away the motive for Intel to do such rotten things to the OLPC project.

More like... (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21969706)

More like NIGGERponte, am I rite guys?
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