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Rock Band Drum Kit Modded

CmdrTaco posted more than 6 years ago | from the make-it-manly dept.

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Brett "Buzz" Dawson writes "Seeing all of the Guitar Hero guitar mods I thought it would be an interesting change of pace to mod a full-sized drum kit for use as a Rock Band game controller. With everything that I build I take lots of pictures to document the build process so here is the full build of my drum kit." Fortunately at my house Kathleen has been doing the drumming, so I don't think I need to go to these extremes to handle the abuse. I'm more interested in mods that let you use the original drums as a real instrument like the guitar mods that are floating out there. The tiny bits of drum solo time in Rock Band don't satisfy my internal Keith Moon.

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Using the Rock Band drum kit as an instrument (5, Informative)

Digital_Quartz (75366) | more than 6 years ago | (#21983554)

If you have the PS3 version of Rock Band, then here's how to mod your drum kit:

Step 1: Plug drum kit into PC.

Done. Your PC will detect the PS3 drum kit as a MIDI device.

Check out this link for details for the Xbox-360 version:

http://news.filefront.com/rock-band-drums-for-pc-xbox-360-vs-ps3-kit/ [filefront.com]

Re:Using the Rock Band drum kit as an instrument (4, Informative)

AsnFkr (545033) | more than 6 years ago | (#21983644)

For the PS3 version, try this: http://www.adventure-today.com/crap/RockBandDrums.zip [adventure-today.com] It's a small java app my buddy wrote that does exactly what the cmdr wants. Make sure you have the newest version of java, plug in the USB controller and go. It's brainless to setup.

**It does not yet work with the 360 controller, but he is working that out.

Re:Using the Rock Band drum kit as an instrument (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21983910)

tidy.

Re:Using the Rock Band drum kit as an instrument (2, Informative)

corby (56462) | more than 6 years ago | (#21984380)

For the 360 version, this program will allow you to hook up to your PC and jam out free-form:

http://www.rockband.com/forums/showthread.php?t=14053 [rockband.com]

Re:Using the Rock Band drum kit as an instrument (0)

Osurak (1013927) | more than 6 years ago | (#21984398)

You forgot steps 2 and 3: step 2: ??? step 3: Profit!

Re:Using the Rock Band drum kit as an instrument (3, Funny)

jgeeky (974074) | more than 6 years ago | (#21987266)

for the real "keith moon feel", you just have to get sloppy drunk and pass out mid-song. for a more authentic touch, someone from the audience should take over for you. the john bonham mod comes with an optional spanking fish.

Ambient music created with Rock Band drums. (4, Interesting)

mpathetiq (726625) | more than 6 years ago | (#21983646)

In response to the editor comment: I hooked up my drum controller to my MacBook and used GamePad Companion to feed keystrokes into Ableton Live. I was able to use it as a real drum kit for a bit but I'm not a drummer, so instead I started using pitched tones for each of the pads.... much more interesting!

I posted the results on my blog. [blogspot.com]

More Cowbell (5, Funny)

SneakyBushNinja (1178539) | more than 6 years ago | (#21983656)

And here I thought I was a bad-ass hanging a cow bell from mine.

Re:More Cowbell (0, Offtopic)

AndGodSed (968378) | more than 6 years ago | (#21983768)

Yet more cowbell! MORE MORE! A guy on a forum I frequent did a cool drum solo with lots of cowbell...

Re:More Cowbell (1)

Loibisch (964797) | more than 6 years ago | (#21983780)

Yeah man, that rocks...start living the big rockstar life and stop fearing the reaper!

Re:More Cowbell (1)

jweller (926629) | more than 6 years ago | (#21985962)

I gotta have more cowbell

Really (-1, Troll)

Gription (1006467) | more than 6 years ago | (#21983670)

And this made the main page of /. as a story?
Come on...

Re:Really (1, Offtopic)

log1385 (1199377) | more than 6 years ago | (#21983788)

It's about video games and hardware hacks. Why not?

You get to play games and bang stuff. (2, Insightful)

AndGodSed (968378) | more than 6 years ago | (#21983802)

What's not to like?

Re:Really (3, Funny)

Thansal (999464) | more than 6 years ago | (#21984024)

Seriously, stop having fun!

http://xkcd.com/359/ [xkcd.com]

Re:Really (3, Funny)

kellyb9 (954229) | more than 6 years ago | (#21984406)

Actually... I prefer this one:

http://xkcd.com/70/ [xkcd.com]

Re:Really (3, Insightful)

Mister Whirly (964219) | more than 6 years ago | (#21985122)

What, you would prefer another "BSD is Dead" article or perhaps one pointing out that Microsoft doesn't make the most secure products? At least it isn't a dupe. Yet.

Re:Really (1)

eat here_get gas (907110) | more than 6 years ago | (#21985820)

the mod link in the summary leads to a black page with dark blue writing. nice.

Wowee... (1)

AndGodSed (968378) | more than 6 years ago | (#21983708)

This HAS to be one of the coolest game controllers out there. And it lets you get your rock on extra special loud I bet. Hate the neighbors? Get their kids one of these.

A friend got Rockband (-1, Flamebait)

techpawn (969834) | more than 6 years ago | (#21983722)

And everyone looked at the drumsticks proclaiming their excitement over REAL drumsticks... Those toothpicks they give you with rockband wouldn't last one set. Actually having a drum set, full sized... might make it a better experience for people who have played real set in the past. I know I'd break the little "set" that comes with the game without trying...

Then again, Rockband has as much to do with playing music as Dance Dance Revolution has to do with dancing. You do better if you CAN'T actually do it.

Re:A friend got Rockband (2, Insightful)

cowscows (103644) | more than 6 years ago | (#21983838)

Yes, we get it. You're a real musician, while all us fakers are just crappy little fools completely incapable of understanding what music really is. Thanks for reminding us that we're not real rock stars, and that video games are not the real world. I will stop enjoying my rock band drumsticks immediately.

Re:A friend got Rockband (0, Troll)

techpawn (969834) | more than 6 years ago | (#21983934)

Thanks for reminding us that we're not real rock stars, and that video games are not the real world. I will stop enjoying my rock band drumsticks immediately.
I just play drums, can't play guitar for the life of me and I Really enjoy guitar hero. I'm just saying the sticks that come with it are not what most people would use in a show. Modding the set into something of a more full sized drum set while, yes, taking up FAR more room will make it a lot easier for people like me to play. It's like have to unlearn how to play the instrument to play the game.

Re:A friend got Rockband (1)

ResidntGeek (772730) | more than 6 years ago | (#21984038)

I quite agree. I'm not a drummer, though I think I was born to be one (always wanted to, never was allowed growing up and can't afford drums now), and I keep having to drastically weaken my blows because I'm whaling away and I'm worried I'll break the drums. Also, they're so bloody small and close together I can't flail around while playing like God intended. It's a problem.

Re:A friend got Rockband (1)

techpawn (969834) | more than 6 years ago | (#21984116)

Exactly, they're set up more like orchestra tom-toms with a foot petal! Which fine for mimicking some tonal things isn't the right feel for a rock band's drum set. Also, they're the soft practice pads. Good for the game and the people around you HORRIBLE for the proper recoil from the stick for the faster movements. There is an arcade game where you play drum set and I like its layout MUCH better... Can't think of its name though...

Re:A friend got Rockband (2, Insightful)

Durzel (137902) | more than 6 years ago | (#21984348)

Still, in terms of timing and the logistics of where your hands and feet are I still believe the drums in Rock Band are about as faithful a reproduction of the real thing as you're likely to get in a virtual setting.

Re:A friend got Rockband (1)

somersault (912633) | more than 6 years ago | (#21984442)

Did you even read the summary? :p

Re:A friend got Rockband (1)

ResidntGeek (772730) | more than 6 years ago | (#21984478)

In terms of the mechanics, sure, but that's the easiest part of playing the drums. Rock Band's timing is forgiving enough that you can correct your timing over several bars. Real drummers don't have the soundtrack correcting their slightly mistimed hits, and a drummer whose tempo would fluctuate wildly until his bassist killed him could do fine on Rock Band. You can usually get a good idea of whether a Rock Band drummer would be a good drummer from the free-form solos - if he stays on the beat during the longer solos, his timing is likely good enough for a real band. Most drummers, even the ones who are good at the game, either hit drums wildly and randomly then use the bass to get back on beat after the solo, or drift off the beat and correct themselves at the end.

Re:A friend got Rockband (2, Informative)

aikouka (932902) | more than 6 years ago | (#21984372)

Is it DrumMania? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drummania [wikipedia.org]

Re:A friend got Rockband (1)

techpawn (969834) | more than 6 years ago | (#21984428)

Is it DrumMania? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drummania [wikipedia.org]
YES! Thank you! I probably like it because it's controller is a modified electric Yamaha set.

Re:A friend got Rockband (1)

mrbcs (737902) | more than 6 years ago | (#21984384)

Drums are cheap now dude... go for it!

I was the same, didn't buy my first kit until I was 25. Cost me about $400 then and pieced it together to get a double bass kit. I'm now 45 with an 8 pc pearl kit and I'm finally starting to learn Red Barchetta by Rush. (the musicians, not the fat tard ;-) stolen from slashdot sig. )

I use big sticks so I've never broken a set, but man these drums are loud at times!

Drums on these games kill me, I mean, you hit the damn things... If you can get the chops to play the game, you can play the real things.

Guitar is WAY different, you're not going to learn to play guitar with those colored buttons.

Re:A friend got Rockband (1)

techpawn (969834) | more than 6 years ago | (#21984606)

I use big sticks so I've never broken a set, but man these drums are loud at times!
The ones that come with Rockband are Ludwig, look to be about A4's... twice as thick as a pencil. The kind you'd use for concert snare to get that light/crisp sound. That's why I called em toothpicks man, if they came with a nice pair of fatties like what it sounds like you wield I wouldn't have a problem. But, people would probably be a lot rougher with the controller.

Re:A friend got Rockband (1)

rk (6314) | more than 6 years ago | (#21988982)

Drums are cheap now dude... go for it!

Agreed. I've seen some great deals at music stores for decent semi-pro gear for just a few hundred dollars. More than adequate for beginners and you won't soon outgrow it. I don't even play drums and I've been considering picking a set up and learning because of it.

Guitar is WAY different, you're not going to learn to play guitar with those colored buttons.

No, but I think it could be good for us guitarists. Most guitarists can't count worth a golly good damn, but Guitar Hero makes a decent rhythm trainer. You're right: not so much for the notes, though. But then, that's not really the point of Guitar Hero, is it? I don't get musicians who look down their nose at it and Rock Band. I'm a decent guitar player, and I've been formally trained in music theory and composition, but think these music games are an absolute blast. I don't own any of them myself, yet, but I plan to.

And "Red Barchetta" is a great song. :-) I actually started as a bass player and it was mostly Geddy Lee who responsible for that.

Re:A friend got Rockband (1)

mrbcs (737902) | more than 6 years ago | (#21989822)

And "Red Barchetta" is a great song. :-) I actually started as a bass player and it was mostly Geddy Lee who responsible for that.
hehe Cool. Farewell to Kings... I HAD to learn drums after that album! I finally bought two of Neils DVD's so that I can finally learn how to solo.

I got to see Rush in concert when they were touring hemispheres. I saw them in a small arena in Geulph Ontario with about 500 other people. It was like our own private show.. Incredible. It was my second concert so I wasn't really aware of encores.. I waited patiently all night for 2112 and was pissed when they "ended" the show without playing anything of that. Silly me, they had an encore and played the entire 20 minute song for the encore... I was blown away!

Re:A friend got Rockband (1)

bhsurfer (539137) | more than 6 years ago | (#21985016)

For what the game console and game itself cost you could have a decent entry-level drum set, but I guess it's all a matter of priorities. Personally I have 3 drum sets and my newest game system is a several-year old X-box, so I guess it's easy to see which way I lean. Of course, you can't do all manner of fragging and such on a drum set either so it's a bit of a trade-off.

I think these games have an upside & downside - the upside is that it kind of lets the player know what it's like to play in a band, similar to how training wheels let you kind of know what it's like to ride a bike. They also kind of let you know how to read music/tab, but not really. At least it exposes the concepts of sight-reading & memorization - 2 good things for musicians.

A possible downside is that the relative ease of getting proficient at one of these sorts of games might make learning to play a musical instrument a bit more discouraging for those with high expectations and short attention spans, but that's probably moot since they'd end up quitting anyway.

I guess I shouldn't over-analyze it - it's a cool game concept that could at least potentially move someone in a creative direction, so I'm all about it. Plus that drum-controller mod is way cool.

Re:A friend got Rockband (1)

ResidntGeek (772730) | more than 6 years ago | (#21985162)

I don't own the game, a friend does. You're perfectly correct, if I could afford the game I could have a drum set. I think you are over-analyzing it, personally. Rock Band may help with reading tabs and such, but honestly, it doesn't matter - it's the most fun I've ever had without women or hydrocodone (and it can definitely give the latter a run for its money). That's enough for me.

Re:A friend got Rockband (1)

bhsurfer (539137) | more than 6 years ago | (#21986328)

I probably am over analyzing it - I tend to do that. No offense intended. It does look like a pretty fun game. Having a bit of history as a musician though I can say that gigging can be a pretty fun game too (and can sometimes involve the aforementioned women & hydrocodone as well if you choose). Maybe having the "real" musical outlet makes me less likely to seek out one in a game, I don't know. I do know that having kids & a job & stuff made me basically hate the "Sims" games because telling people to get up, go to school, eat, etc is stuff I do daily and hence made the games really tedious to me. YMMV, of course.

In the end if you're enjoying yourself that's really what matters. Rock on!

Re:A friend got Rockband (4, Funny)

poot_rootbeer (188613) | more than 6 years ago | (#21984420)

Modding the set into something of a more full sized drum set while, yes, taking up FAR more room will make it a lot easier for people like me to play

Also, the guitar controller should have six strings instead of just a toggle switch, and 22+ frets instead of five colored buttons. You know, so it's easier for real guitarists to play.

Re:A friend got Rockband (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21983992)

You're a real musician, while all us fakers are just crappy little fools completely incapable of understanding what music really is.

No, you're crappy little fools for playing video games that require Fisher Price accessories and more practice than a real instrument.

Re:A friend got Rockband (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21985368)

But Halo rules, right? You know, running around shooting guys....with a fucking piece of plastic.

Re:A friend got Rockband (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21984004)

The point wasn't to put down non-musicians.

If one doesn't already play music, they can just follow the note indicators on the screen and play the game, eventually making the music the game wants the player to make. But, if one already plays music, they tend to try to play what sounds like it should be played rather than just following the notes on the screen--this makes the easier levels actually harder, because of simplified or abbreviated patterns.

Re:A friend got Rockband (-1, Troll)

TWX (665546) | more than 6 years ago | (#21984020)

If people spent half of the time that they spend on crappy video games on the real activities that those video games mimick, we probably wouldn't have a generation of fatasses.

Bowling, hockey, baseball, basketball, football... Add up the cost of the equipment to play plus whatever fees are incurred to play. Now, add up the costs of the video game systems, video games, and the cost of the health club membership that one would need to actually keep one somewhat in shape, and see how the two numbers line up...

As for music, I'll stick with my drums. Like real guitar players versus "guitar hero", a real, good drummer is a lot cooler than someone who's good at mimicking what the software wants for inputs to simulate the results of drumming.

Re:A friend got Rockband (1)

mfnickster (182520) | more than 6 years ago | (#21984114)

Q: What do drummers and groupies have in common?
A: They both like to hang out with musicians. :)

Re:A friend got Rockband (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21984322)

Q: What do you do to a musician without talent?
A: Give him 2 sticks and make him a drummer!

Q: What do you do with a drummer who can't keep time?
A: Take one of his sticks away and make him the conductor...

Re:A friend got Rockband (1)

flitty (981864) | more than 6 years ago | (#21984518)

Q: How do you know the stage is flat?
A: The drool comes out of both sides of the drummer's mouth.

Re:A friend got Rockband (1)

kaizokuace (1082079) | more than 6 years ago | (#21984450)

From my experience I find that the drum kit in rock band is the easiest to transfer actual drum experience to game skill. Now I myself am no musician but my brother is a drummer (he also plays guitar and bass). And he turned out to be the best at the drums on rock band that I know, and he sucks at every other type of music timing game. The guitar on rock band/guitar hero, DDR, and all those other bemani games he sucks at. He was able to pick up the drums on rock band and easily do some of the harder stuff right away. He just didn't like the feel of the set because it feels like a bunch of practice pads that aren't even different sizes to make different sounds. So "musician guy" posting before you could possibly just suck as a drummer and have no hand eye coordination (no offense drummer guy) but some guys just have it and some don't.

Re:A friend got Rockband (1)

stupidsocialscientis (689586) | more than 6 years ago | (#21986934)

hey, as a former semi-pro drummer (i paid for grad school playing in bands,)i find the drums on rock band to be exceedingly hard. I am curious, do guitarists have similar difficulty playing guitar? I can't play guitar for crap in real-life, but it's totally easy on rockband... funny.

Re:A friend got Rockband (1)

kaizokuace (1082079) | more than 6 years ago | (#21988346)

From what i have seen, most people that play guitar suck at guitar on rockband or guitar hero. I think its just a matter of how different the controls are from the real thing. The drum setup is essentially no different that real drums in that u hit them and have to have timing and all that. Even having skills with bounce control help. Real guitar is just too different than hitting some buttons because you are not making chords or hitting strings. If the guitar controller has buttons for each string stacked up the neck as strings are and not along the neck as general hand positions could be maybe guitarists could have a better time playing but I believe that the controller for guitar hero works well in that the motions you can make with your body make you feel like a rockstar without having to practice like a rockstar. Real guitarists already can enjoy the fruits of their labor by playing a real guitar.

Re:A friend got Rockband (4, Funny)

Winckle (870180) | more than 6 years ago | (#21983900)

I fucking agree!

I bought the computer game "Civilization 4" and found it to be totally unrealistic, if I applied my usual style of leadership, the America in-game would be wiped out quickly, no matter how I tried to save it!

-George W Bush

Re:A friend got Rockband (1, Interesting)

wed128 (722152) | more than 6 years ago | (#21988750)

I am sick and tired of you damn liberals turning every topic into a George W Bush Bash-a-thon. For god's sake, can we have ONE article where we just leave the politics out of it? His term is almost over...quit bitching and vote in November.

Re:A friend got Rockband (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21983938)

STFU. I train as a classical pianist (level 6 RCM) and guitar player (started 6 months ago). And even though I find rockband/gh to be nothing more than a "game" or "toy" it's still fun. I've played a few pieces on the drumset (Don't Fear the Reaper, for instance) and it was a hell of a lot of fun.

Bullshit comments like this amount to nothing but ego-self-stroking. As if you're so much high and mightier because you mocked a toy.

Ya sure, nobody should claim because they're good at GH or RB that they're really a musician, but that doesn't mean they aren't challenging and fun games. Otherwise if it were so trivial, you should be able to play any piece at the Expert level. I mean, it's just a dumb toy right?

Re:A friend got Rockband (3, Interesting)

kellyb9 (954229) | more than 6 years ago | (#21983952)

Actually - as someone who plays guitar - I can't fully agree with your comment. Although, in part, being good at Rockband is not going to make you a better guitarist, I believe it does help beginners move their fingers independently. Which is one of the early battles people face when trying to learn how to play guitar correctly.

I can't really say the same thing for drums or singing. On a side note, has anyone actually used the microphone yet, and is it really lame?

Re:A friend got Rockband (2, Informative)

Phybersyk0 (513618) | more than 6 years ago | (#21984646)

Kellyb9 said: Actually - as someone who plays guitar - I can't fully agree with your comment. Although, in part, being good at Rockband is not going to make you a better guitarist, I believe it does help beginners move their fingers independently. Which is one of the early battles people face when trying to learn how to play guitar correctly.

I can't really say the same thing for drums or singing. On a side note, has anyone actually used the microphone yet, and is it really lame?

As an owner of Rock Band, and an "actual" guitar player, I would add the guitar playing also teaches some fundamental strumming techniques as well. You learn to strum both down and up to reduce muscle fatique, and play faster.

For drumming, I'd say the sticks that come with the game are "ok", I replaced mine with some vinyl-tipped ones that I got for my standalone snare many years ago. They're bouncier.

In addition to the syncopation learned from the snare and hat/cymbal work, the drum kit has a bass kick pedal, and this helps would-be drummers gain limb independence (arms do one thing, right-foot does other stuff) and at "Expert" stage, you should be able to transfer what you learn in Rock Band to a real drum kit (not accounting for hi-hats).

To wit: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uQ9XLiMfBRo&feature=user/ [youtube.com] This guy uses some pretty cool video techniques to show both himself & the video from the game. He'll occasionally fade the game audio out to demonstrate what HE hears.

If you watch some of this users other videos, you can see what kind of work he has done researching the quality/effectivness of the Rockband drum kits. (Some models are better than others).

Also, the microphone is quite heavy for it's size and feels very nice. It's USB, and also doubles as the cowbell. (And you get to use it during Don't Fear The Reaper)

Re:A friend got Rockband (1)

cvd6262 (180823) | more than 6 years ago | (#21985596)

I play guitar, I can hold a tune, and I've played Rock Band once. It *almost* made me want to buy a 60" HDTV and an Xbox 360 (the setup I played).
The microphone isn't lame, but seemed really easy, even on advanced settings. Either I was *really* on key, or the mic looks more for tempo and relative pitch than true accuracy.

The guitar was not as easy (and I only went up to medium difficulty), but, like you said, strumming was simple because I already play. As for "finger independence," Rock Band only makes you move your finger on the frets. There are five buttons, and you only have four fingers (the neck was too broad for me to wrap my thumb around). So, I did have to move my hand some.

The really fun part was how involuntary moving around was when I played the guitar, or get into the song when on the mic. Nail a solo (even your first time on easy settings) and you'll swing around while holding the last "chord." Try, just try singing "Enter Sandman" without yelling, "Ya, Ya, YAAA!" at the end.

As for the drums... I suck. I could either hit the bass pedal or the right color, not both. I didn't get booed off stage, but even on "easy" I wasn't good.

Re:A friend got Rockband (1)

ari_j (90255) | more than 6 years ago | (#21986466)

As someone who plays guitar but has relatively short pinkies, I actually found that, once I stopped constantly tormenting anyone who played Guitar Hero for being a geek (read: when I started dating an addict), playing Guitar Hero forced me to use my pinkies more than playing guitar did, which in turn improved my actual guitar playing. Plus, it was fun to pick up the game and beat it on Expert when the addict who got me into it can't play on Hard. What is it that I enjoy so much about being better than people at their favorite hobbies? ;)

Re:A friend got Rockband (1)

aredubya74 (266988) | more than 6 years ago | (#21989790)

I can't really say the same thing for drums or singing. On a side note, has anyone actually used the microphone yet, and is it really lame? I've never sang in a band before, but I did years of choral and musial theater singing, and I sing for our band (though I sub in on drums - poorly - when our female drummer wants to do the female-voiced songs). The included microphone is fairly heavy, and I'd much prefer a headset or stick mic, but it is shaped appropriately for the "tamborine/cowbell" tapping sections of songs. It does pick up my vocals very well.

The real problem I have with the vocal portion of Rock Band is that the engine deducts points for natural tremolo. I've had to consciously be careful when holding notes to not produce any tremolo that's not displayed on the track, even when the original singer sings with tremolo. I understand how bloody hard it would be to compensate for it (when is it tremolo, and when is it someone flatting/sharping/flat out missing the pitch?), but it still is a PITA. Once you get that down though, it's great fun.

Re:A friend got Rockband (1)

Broken Toys (1198853) | more than 6 years ago | (#21984008)

And here I thought rock guitarists were usually the whiny divas.

Re:A friend got Rockband (1)

pedestrian crossing (802349) | more than 6 years ago | (#21984610)

Q: What do you call someone who hangs out with musicians?
A: A drummer!

Re:A friend got Rockband (1)

Broken Toys (1198853) | more than 6 years ago | (#21985192)

Q: What do you call a guitar player without a girl friend?
A: Homeless. ;-)

Re:A friend got Rockband (1)

dryueh (531302) | more than 6 years ago | (#21984252)

Man, I didn't get ANY oral hygene products with my kit. Not a one.

Re:A friend got Rockband (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21984596)

Haha, nice flamebait attempt there, you asshat. Unfortunately for you, machine dance is officially recognised as a dance discipline by the International Dance Organisation (IDO).

Re:A friend got Rockband (1)

Mister Whirly (964219) | more than 6 years ago | (#21985556)

"machine dance is officially recognised as a dance discipline by the International Dance Organisation (IDO)."

And the IDO are officially recognized as asshats to me.

Re:A friend got Rockband (1)

Nebu (566313) | more than 6 years ago | (#21988548)

machine dance is officially recognised as a dance discipline by the International Dance Organisation (IDO).
[Citation needed]

Re:A friend got Rockband (-1, Flamebait)

NathanWoodruff (966362) | more than 6 years ago | (#21984622)

Having several several drum kits in my basement and been a drummer for the last oh... 30 years, I'm wondering kids playing this "Drum Controller" will actually think that one day they will be able to play real drums.

I've played Guitar Hero with the "Guitar controller" and it is nothing like playing a real guitar. Even the $3,000 electronic drum kits you find in the music stores don't compare to the real set of drums. There is nothing like the kick back feel of a 22 inch bass drum for doing your doubles or triplets with a peddle. That plastic thing must be annoying.

Even cymbals when you hit them move and have a feed back feel to them, nothing like even the plastic things on the most expensive electronic drum kits.

The only real way to play the game should be on a real set of drums.

Maybe one day they can come up with a "College Controller" or a "Engineering controller" or even a "Rocket science controller". Naahh..... Too much effort.

Nathan

Re:A friend got Rockband (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21985568)

You win, you're a better musician than someone that spent $150 to buy a video game. I can't imagine why someone would want to sit down and play a simulation for fun when they'll never be as good at the real thing as you are.

Re:A friend got Rockband (-1, Flamebait)

NathanWoodruff (966362) | more than 6 years ago | (#21987572)

Anonymous Coward... Who said I was good.... Just because I've play a lot of kits doesn't mean that I am any good at it. I do know the feel of a good drum kit and how/placement of drums, should be to get the most out of them. This "Drum Controller" is just trash. I will say again even being modded as troll since the last modder didn't read the sentence... The game should be played on a real set of drums. None of the simulation of the "Drum Controller" will easily transfer to a real set. Why waste time on this simulation if you really want to learn how to play drums???? Or are there jobs out there for the best "Drum Controller" player??? Mod me as flamebate... But when are they coming out with a "I've got a real job controller"?? or a "move out of parents basement controller"??? "College degree controller"??? Is is just simulation isn't it???? Nathan

Re:A friend got Rockband (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21986422)

I'm going middle ground on the usefulness on real drumming - the game will give you some skills if you play it right. If you're playing the game and just want to pass, you can 3-star a lot of songs having no clue on the rhythms used. If you want to 5-star, you need to pick up some actual skills.

I've had a bit of drum training way back in the day and it certainly gave me a comfort level where the people watching me play said "you've played drums before". The drum kit will give you the basics of being able to split off your arms and your kick pedal, which is a pretty essential skill. It's also an easy way to give you lots of fun practice at basic beats, and the songs have enough variety to make that fun once you get to hard or expert. For people who haven't played before, unhooking the foot from the arms is often a big hurdle, and this'll teach that part of it.

What it won't give you is a lot of the stickwork for rolls, or at least the songs I've been on don't have that sort of stuff (played through on Medium and Hard). I don't think that sort of stuff is in there, as things like 12-stroke rolls are not easily representable on screen. It also won't give you drum selection - RB magically switches the drums to hit what you need to hit within reach, so you're working the ride cymbal right next to the snare, where normally your body position would be completely different. I think that feel and the ear for what works in fills and such are things the RB can't give you. Also no hi-hat, but that's kinda evident.

So I'd describe RB to real drums as the difference between riding a mountain bike and a motorbike - it'll give you some basic skills, and most importantly comfort and familiarity when you switch over, but you'll have to add to what you know already and relearn some muscle movements to make it work right. But comfort goes a long way.

Re:A friend got Rockband (1)

FreeRadicalX (899322) | more than 6 years ago | (#21985254)

Well here's a hater. I thought it was established by now that these kinds of gripes against rhythm games were moot. It has nothing to do with playing the real instrument, it's about the feeling you get. And actually, for the record, practicing real guitar did make me a bit more comfortable on the guitar in Guitar Hero, and my pal Ray who actually is a drummer is clearly the best Rock Band drummer amongst me and my friends, since the drums come much closer to their simulated instrument than the guitars do. Not saying you could easily transition to real drums from the Rock Band drums, but knowing the real deal certainly helps you out in the game.

And you may not be a gamer, that might be why you're not that good. But trust me, you wouldn't break the drum set the first play. Well, maybe the pedal, that thing is a real piece of shit and everyone breaks it eventually. My "rock band" and I are always slamming the sticks onto the wrong parts of the set while waiting for more notes. It can take a lot of abuse.

And I'm told those actually are real sticks. A5 size sticks, to be exact. Real drum sticks, just a smaller size. If you wanna be the guy who tries out the drum controller with larger sticks... Be my guest.

Tio to people even stupider than me: (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21983732)

When playing the drums on Rock Band, keep your thumbs in the weak position, wrapped around the sticks, and not in the strong position on the top, despite the temptation to do the opposite. It didn't even occur to me until I woke up this morning to find my right thumb's knuckle was on fire.

Maybe it said that in the manual. I wouldn't know, I'm male.

Fr1st psoT (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21983812)

users', B1gAAz, minutes. If that.

a real band? (4, Funny)

192939495969798999 (58312) | more than 6 years ago | (#21984096)

Modding real guitar to be guitar controller, friend has modded drums for a drum controller... given how much lip syncing is done in music now, at this point you'd basically be in "real" band!

Re:a real band? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21985434)

Not until your van breaks down, your drummer is too drunk to play, and at lest one person is sleeping on a couch. Then, and only then, are you a "real" band.

Mods are great, but... (1)

Techbear1980 (1216774) | more than 6 years ago | (#21984196)

Mods are great, but hard work. I designed my GHX software to work with an unmodified guitar hero controller.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vkyRRSSKHLU [youtube.com]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8do51fVRyzY [youtube.com]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vMTHozq4XPI [youtube.com]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W3ohtqvF33c [youtube.com]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k2wk70ZSZNc [youtube.com]

I think the sky's the limit on this whole guitar hero/rock band thing. Practically every kid I know got Rock Band for Christmas, and every one of their parents took a turn on the drums or microphone.

still waiting... (0)

Connie_Lingus (317691) | more than 6 years ago | (#21984320)

for a video showing someone fraggin in COD4 with a drumkit controller...

Re:still waiting... (2)

Rob T Firefly (844560) | more than 6 years ago | (#21984394)

I'd just like to get my spreadsheets done with one.

slashdotted (0, Offtopic)

B_un1t (942155) | more than 6 years ago | (#21984344)

me thinks the link's been /.'ed

Best Drummer (-1, Offtopic)

Archangel Michael (180766) | more than 6 years ago | (#21984364)

This thread is to suggest who should be considered best drummer ....

I nominate Neal Peart [wikipedia.org] from RUSH

Re:Best Drummer (1)

poot_rootbeer (188613) | more than 6 years ago | (#21984550)

This thread is to suggest who should be considered best drummer ....
I nominate Neal Peart from RUSH


If we all humor you and 'agree' that he's the best, can we let this boring and pointless debate end here and now...?

Re:Best Drummer (1)

haplo21112 (184264) | more than 6 years ago | (#21984778)

1. Neal Peart - Rush
2. Mike Portnoy - Dream Theater

Its a close race...

Re:Best Drummer (1)

The Analog Kid (565327) | more than 6 years ago | (#21984958)

Peart is probably the top rock drummer, but as far as jazz goes, Peart's pretty lousy (even by his own admission). Buddy Rich takes the crown there, but I think Rich wouldn't be as good of a rock drummer, too many drums, and he wouldn't be the center of attention. (not that I'm saying he was egotistic).

Re:Best Drummer (1)

Apathy451 (234733) | more than 6 years ago | (#21985334)

What about Gavin Harrison from Porcupine Tree? He gets my vote - his stuff isn't as masterbatory as the rest.

Re:Best Drummer (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21986120)

Honestly, the best drummer is probably some one that spends all their time practicing and few people have heard of. Then, you break it down by the different genres. Who is the best jazz drummer? Who has the fastest feet? It can go on and on.

I will say that the two that have impress the hell out of me are Terry Bozzio and Virgil Donati. Bozzio does all this interesting polyrythmic musical phrasing and has actually written string movements to accompany hi playing. Virgil Donati just has absolutely insane chops and the craziest feet I have ever seen. I would highly suggest looking them both up on Youtube

Also, I am pretty sure there is some one better then them. Then, there will be some one better then that guy.

Re:Best Drummer (1)

workdeville (1166127) | more than 6 years ago | (#21987486)

Jaki Leibezeit from Can trumps them both.

Re:Best Drummer (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21984822)

Danny Carey. Peart can't play the Tabula. And he's a bit arrogant imo.

Re:Best Drummer (1)

stupidsocialscientis (689586) | more than 6 years ago | (#21986982)

he can't play a slate? as in tabula rasa? how odd. after 30 years of drums or so, i never played one either. however, i have played tabla...

And this is news for nerds? (-1, Flamebait)

Peter Cooper (660482) | more than 6 years ago | (#21984462)

And here I was thinking this site was "news for nerds" and not "news for wannabe Dance Dance Revolution type games experts."

Perhaps if they released Code Code Revolution where you design UIs in time to a beat or something, but Rock Band?

sh1t (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21984754)

of Jordan Huubard

Keith Moon?? (1)

charlesbakerharris (623282) | more than 6 years ago | (#21984868)

The tiny bits of drum solo time in Rock Band don't satisfy my internal Keith Moon.

You mean, they don't satisfy your desire to be an energetic and entertaining, yet alcoholic drummer with only a vague sense of rhythm?

Re:Keith Moon?? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21985530)

> You mean, they don't satisfy your desire to be an energetic and entertaining, yet alcoholic drummer with only a vague sense of rhythm?

Fuck it, just hit as many things as you can, as quickly as you can - there's bound to be a rhythm in there somewhere!

Rock Band Rocks (1)

Is0m0rph (819726) | more than 6 years ago | (#21984902)

Cool we can't stop playing Rock Band at my house. Too addicting...

Not The First Drum Kit Mod (4, Informative)

FreeRadicalX (899322) | more than 6 years ago | (#21985432)

The crazy kids over at the rockband.scorehero.com forums have been modding the drum controller since like a week after the game came out: http://rockband.scorehero.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=1038&sid=d1748155f6f141a8f805db1bf5df84b3 [scorehero.com]

Double bass pedals, yamaha midi kit mods, alternative bass pedals, analyzing how the piezos in the drum kid actually register hits and improving on them... List goes on.

I've modded my pedal after the cheap one that came with the kit inevitably broke after the third day of playing. Since the bass pedal connects to the rest of the kit using a mono audio plug, it's easy for someone with even the most rudimentary knowledge of electronics (me) to rig a real bass pedal to work with the kit. Documented here: http://rockband.scorehero.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2029 [scorehero.com]

Re:Not The First Drum Kit Mod (2, Informative)

Technician (215283) | more than 6 years ago | (#21986234)

I've modded my pedal after the cheap one that came with the kit inevitably broke after the third day of playing. Since the bass pedal connects to the rest of the kit using a mono audio plug, it's easy for someone with even the most rudimentary knowledge of electronics (me) to rig a real bass pedal to work with the kit. Documented here: http://rockband.scorehero.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2029 [scorehero.com] [scorehero.com]

Having a background in high reliability electronics, I know many switches are rated for a limited number of operations before they wear out. A button designed for occasional use often quickly expire in this type application which you found out. In many places a non-contact sensor is a much better choice. Either an optical interrupter or magnetic hall sensor or reed switch will be a better fit. The advantage of non-contact sensors is not only the wear issues, but they make no changes to the original function of the pedal.

A sensor like one of these is literally good for millions of operations. The bearings in your pedal will be dead first.
http://www.melexis.com/Sensor_ICs_Hall_effect/Hall_effect_Bipolar_Switches/Bipolar_Hall_Switch_-_Very_High_Sensitivity_141.aspx [melexis.com]
For sheer simplicity and the lack of need for a power supply, you can't beat a reed switch. They are cheap and easy to get.
http://www.hascorelays.com/reed_switches.asp [hascorelays.com]
For a simple ready to use package for your pedal, one of the switches used on door and window alarms is ideal.
http://www.trossenrobotics.com/store/p/3503-Security-Reed-Switch.aspx?feed=Froogle [trossenrobotics.com]
Connecting these is a no brainer for beginners in electronics

Re:Not The First Drum Kit Mod (1)

FreeRadicalX (899322) | more than 6 years ago | (#21986528)

I've already replaced the push-button once. At the rate I play (frequently and vigorously) it wears out after about a month. It only costs a few bucks from radioshack, so I don't mind too much, but I have been considering more durable options. Thanks a bunch- for the most part the guys at scorehero are just tinkering gamers, not actual electronics guys, so I really appreciate your post.

And I can tell you that magnetic switches don't work well. That's the type of switch that comes with the kit's pedal. It registers a hit too early (since it's magnetic), and takes too long after ahit to reset for another hit (again, since it's magnetic). Apparently some guys have been having a lot of success with reed switches like you said. So I think I'll try that out next.

Re:Not The First Drum Kit Mod (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21987856)

I was going to say this. Actually, there's been a whole community of people using real drums and electronic drums for drumming games. There are also people who create their own pads. I saw one of these years ago but couldn't find the page now. You have some chance reading through http://vdrums.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=48 [vdrums.com] and http://www.bemanistyle.com/forum/f7/ [bemanistyle.com]

Some of these guys have been making their own pads and drum sets for years, so they might have a little more experience.

My tips for modding (2, Interesting)

slagheap (734182) | more than 6 years ago | (#21986090)

My only mod so far is to replace the bass drum pedal. I'm a "real" drummer (though I don't play much)... and I couldn't stand the included drum pedal. It has a huge springy travel, and it triggers somewhere in the middle of that travel (rather than right at the end like a real pedal would).

I have a Yamaha DTXPress electronic drum kit, and was able to use a cymbal pad from that, mounted (on a cymbal stand) right in front of the DTX's bass drum trigger. The bass drum trigger itself doesn't work for some reason, but it does have a nice mount point for the real bass pedal. I had to remove one of the crossbars at the bottom of the Rock Band kit so that I could have all the stuff under the kit where it should be -- the remaining crossbar passes between the pedal and the vertical part of the bass trigger, right on top of the clamp.

To actually connect it, all I needed was a 1/4" female --> to 1/8" male mono adapter (which I already had for playing guitar into the computer).

The Rock Band drum kit seems a little flakey when first hooking up another trigger. I even thought I had broken it because for a while, the included pedal didn't work. I was able to fix it by repeatedly unplugging and plugging it into the port on the main drumkit.

Important tip for testing the triggers... go to the song list in quick play. It lets you change the sorting of the list by hitting the bass drum.

Slagheap

Super Stardom (-1, Flamebait)

domatic (1128127) | more than 6 years ago | (#21986548)

You have played Guitar Hero long enough to earn one million points!

YOU

ARE

FAGS!

Re:Super Stardom (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21990686)

It was a South Park reference.

Silly mods.

Pfft. Too much work. (1)

RyuuzakiTetsuya (195424) | more than 6 years ago | (#21987448)

Drummania players have been doing this for years with a Yamaha DTX or similar. Just plug it into the usb socket.

Keith Moon? (1)

Khyber (864651) | more than 6 years ago | (#21988370)

Dennis Chambers. 'Nuff said.

Re:Keith Moon? (1)

foreverpuppy (1034476) | more than 6 years ago | (#21989570)

Dennis Chambers. 'Nuff said.
I think I just threw up in my mouth a little.
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