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No Dual-Boot XO Laptop, According to Microsoft

Soulskill posted more than 6 years ago | from the bringing-bsods-to-the-third-world dept.

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Yesterday, we discussed reports of Microsoft and the OLPC project working towards a dual-boot version of the XO laptop. Now, BetaNews tells us that Microsoft has issued statements denying such plans. The software giant has also reaffirmed their intention to develop a Windows-only version of the laptop. Microsoft's statement to BetaNews had this to say: "While we have investigated the possibility in the past, Microsoft is not developing dual-boot Windows XP support for the One Laptop Per Child's XO laptop. As we announced in December, Microsoft plans to publish formal design guidelines early this year that will assist flash-based device manufacturers in designing machines that enable a high-quality Windows experience. Our current goal remains to provide a high-quality Windows experience on the XO device."

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Reportedly (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21994252)

Gates didn't want Third World Niggers having access to his baby.

Let Them Eat Linux.

Windows: The Choice For A New Generation (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21994266)

of niggers

Impossible task! (5, Funny)

TW Atwater (1145245) | more than 6 years ago | (#21994272)

"Our current goal remains to provide a high-quality Windows experience on the XO device"

I think most folks would be happy just to get a high-quality Windows experience on any computer.

sale sauce (3, Funny)

Bananatree3 (872975) | more than 6 years ago | (#21994304)

That sentence is just dripping with oozy goozy Microsoft sales sauce.

You wanna know what I think? (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21995414)

I think you're a cunt

Re:You wanna know what I think? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21995584)

NO ONE CARES WHAT YOU THINK.
ALSO, CAPS-LOCK IS ANNOYING.

                                                                                                     

Re:sale sauce (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21995454)

That stuff is way too sweet. The same goes for Apple-sauce.

Re:sale sauce (5, Insightful)

davester666 (731373) | more than 6 years ago | (#21996176)

Yes, a "good Window's experience" really depends on how positive or negative your own opinion of Windows happens to be.

But, I think the main reason why MS doesn't want a dual-boot XO, is because they don't want millions of kids being informed about non-MS software. They don't want them to know that sure, there is this half-assed Window's OS, that we gave you for free, but there is also this other OS, called Linux [+ the various shells and GUI's on top of it], and it's also free, and you can also get the source code and modify it so that the computer works how you want it to work and do extra things that you just thought of.

I think Microsoft will virtually [or actually] give away WindowsXO, because the target market is poor [and isn't particularly IP-aware] and would at least pirate WindowsXP if they wanted it besides the above reason to keep kids as far away from open-source as possible.

Re:Impossible task! (5, Insightful)

krazytekn0 (1069802) | more than 6 years ago | (#21994698)

This is what we call an oxymoron

Re:Impossible task! (5, Insightful)

Eternal Vigilance (573501) | more than 6 years ago | (#21994778)

Language must be interpreted using the meanings understood by the *speaker*. In Microsoft's case, "high quality" has always meant "high profit and monopoly extending." (This difference in source and destination meanings of "quality" has been the root cause of a great deal of argument in the /. community.)

After translation: "Our current goal remains to provide a high profit and monopoly extending Windows experience on the XO device."

Simple, honest, to the point. (Whether I like it or not is a different issue.)

Re:Impossible task! (2, Insightful)

mikelieman (35628) | more than 6 years ago | (#21994838)

In a nutshell, this sums up perfectly Microsoft's traditional disconnect with their product's markets.

Lots of Luck (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21994934)

Our current goal remains to provide a high-quality Windows experience on the XO device.


Lots of luck, guys. According to reports... nobody's getting even a positive experience on the XO, much less a high-quality anything.

Maybe if the Classmate's price comes down, the concept will finally work out.

Re:Impossible task! (1)

Darkenole (149792) | more than 6 years ago | (#21995472)

Seeing "high quality" and "windows experience" together in the same sentence.

Jeez! Another thing that I thought I'd never see crossed off the list.

Microsoft can only... (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21994276)

Microsoft can only play buy itself... spoiled child.

The OLPC can change history (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21994306)

By putting cheap, effective computing power into the hands of disadvantaged children, a generation of people who would otherwise have been uneducated will receive education.

This is the transformative power of the PC, and the potential of the Internet and F/OSS for education. It's true "outside the box" thinking.

Nicholas Niggerponte is really on to something great with this project. I hope infighting amongst the partners doesn't sink it.

Re:The OLPC can change history (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21994502)

Haha, very subtle troll.... actually it's not subtle at all, but slashdot mods are more known for modding up obvious feelgood soundbites than for detecting trolls.

Re:The OLPC can change history (0, Offtopic)

skoaldipper (752281) | more than 6 years ago | (#21994504)

Um, did the mod read parent's post in it's entirety?

Re:The OLPC can change history (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21994962)

Yes, Nicholas N****rponte was used instead of his real last name.

Non-sequitur warning (4, Funny)

ScrewMaster (602015) | more than 6 years ago | (#21994308)

... a high-quality Windows experience ...

Re:Non-sequitur warning (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21994460)

"Non-sequitur"

Hello. I do not think it means what you think it means.

Re:Non-sequitur warning (5, Informative)

ScrewMaster (602015) | more than 6 years ago | (#21995328)

It means "that does not follow". So far as I'm concerned, a high quality experience does not follow installation of Microsoft Windows.

Re:Non-sequitur warning (1)

Mspangler (770054) | more than 6 years ago | (#21994488)

"a high-quality Windows experience"

Point well taken. But I've been wondering why they would try to stuff eXtra-Pokey onto the OLPC? Windows CE would be a better fit, and it sucks less.

Re:Non-sequitur warning (1)

cheater512 (783349) | more than 6 years ago | (#21996034)

Windows CE would still be trying to fit a square in to a circle.

Its a full laptop, just low powered.
XP is too bloaty, CE is too minimal.

It just shows that Microsoft cant make something run efficiently enough to run on low end hardware.

Re:Non-sequitur warning (4, Funny)

jollyreaper (513215) | more than 6 years ago | (#21995158)

... a high-quality Windows experience ...
Higher-quality, they mean. After all, they're talking about XP, not Vista. Give them some credit. Though the thought of trying to get Vista running on such modest hardware puts me in mind of that picture of the overloaded donkey cart [swapmeetdave.com] with the donkey's legs left dangling in the air.

Re:Non-sequitur warning (1)

ScrewMaster (602015) | more than 6 years ago | (#21995382)

They'd have been better off with Windows 2000.

Re:Non-sequitur warning (1)

cheater512 (783349) | more than 6 years ago | (#21996056)

To be exact, it would be much smarter to just stick 98 on it.
It would run fine. :)

Re:Non-sequitur warning (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21995186)

They're gonna have Aero on it!

Mod me up! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21995648)

All Americans suck because {insert generalization here}

Microsoft not sharing?! (1)

Tie_Defender (753637) | more than 6 years ago | (#21994314)

Didn't see this coming...

Re:Microsoft not sharing?! (4, Funny)

TaoPhoenix (980487) | more than 6 years ago | (#21994358)

... Negroponte didn't see this coming apparently.

Windows? (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21994320)

Why would niggers want to use Windows XP? Shouldn't they be using Ubuntu? The next stable release, codenamed Nappy Nigger, is going to be optimized for the XO.

Not Surprising (3, Interesting)

NothingMore (943591) | more than 6 years ago | (#21994328)

Doesnt surprise me that Microsoft doesnt want a competitor on the same machine in an Emerging market. I am really curious about this "high quality windows experience" though.....

OVPN (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21994330)

One Vista Per Nigger

High-quality Windows experience ?? (-1, Redundant)

tfg004 (974156) | more than 6 years ago | (#21994334)

A high-quality Windows experience?
Hahaha... dream on!

And besides, in the third world they already have enough problems with biological virusses.
Please, don't let them having to worry about computer virusses as well... Don't let them use M$Windows.

I heard... (4, Funny)

isaac (2852) | more than 6 years ago | (#21994338)

I heard the stumbling block in getting "a high-quality Windows experience" on the XO laptop was the damn "View Source" button on the keyboard.

-Isaac

Re:I heard... (2, Insightful)

peektwice (726616) | more than 6 years ago | (#21994394)

The stumbling block to a high quality windows experience may be the lack of source visibility, but I think it's simpler than that.
The general cause of low quality windows experiences has, in my experience, been windows.

Re:I heard... (4, Funny)

JohnBailey (1092697) | more than 6 years ago | (#21995950)

I heard the stumbling block in getting "a high-quality Windows experience" on the XO laptop was the damn "View Source" button on the keyboard. -Isaac
Yep.. It kept flashing up that Goatse picture.

Re:I heard... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21995956)

Na, MS solved that a while ago. Pressing that button will simple display a dialog explaining why seeing their source code is a criminal offense, how piracy is wrong, and how you (the presser of said button) are a thief, lier, and criminal for wanting to see their source code. Rumor has it this will also send a signal back to MS's legal department, and display a threatening message about how if they don't want to go to jail, or get fined $1 million USD, they can simply send back $10USD to MS.

I look forward to the "WDA" (1)

erroneus (253617) | more than 6 years ago | (#21994340)

For those unaware of the program, it is very similar to Microsoft's WGA program in that it disables your computer when you try to run Windows, but it is designed specifically for the XO laptop and the OLPC program. "WDA", or "Windows Disingenuous Advantage" adds the same ability to reduce or cancel functionality in the XO laptop that we presently enjoy in computers running Windows XP or worse.

Can't Wait! (2, Funny)

konohitowa (220547) | more than 6 years ago | (#21994386)

I can't wait to get my hands on one of these. Finally, after more than 20 years of waiting, I can have a high-quality Windows experience.

Re:Can't Wait! (1)

JohnBailey (1092697) | more than 6 years ago | (#21995930)

Anybody remember those really cheap "High quality" audio cassettes?

Not dual-boot, but a roll-back to Linux feature (4, Informative)

whoever57 (658626) | more than 6 years ago | (#21994390)

According to the "Director of security architecture at One Laptop per Child" (Ivan Krsti), MS is not developing a dual-boot system, but the OLPC folks are requiring a roll-back feature, allowing an OLPC to be returned to Linux [radian.org]

For those who can't click the link:

To set the dual-boot issue straight: Microsoft has not been working on an actual, side-by-side dual-boot system. We're jointly making it possible to install XP on an arbitrary XO -- subject to the constraints of the Bitfrost theft deterrence system -- and then convert the machine back to Linux easily. I have made it clear that the XP port will not receive my security signoff without this Linux rollback feature, and have no reason to believe it won't be implemented.

I just threw up my dinner..... (5, Insightful)

zappepcs (820751) | more than 6 years ago | (#21994562)


For those who can't click the link:

To set the dual-boot issue straight: Microsoft has not been working on an actual, side-by-side dual-boot system. We're jointly making it possible to install XP on an arbitrary XO -- subject to the constraints of the Bitfrost theft deterrence system -- and then convert the machine back to Linux easily. I have made it clear that the XP port will not receive my security signoff without this Linux rollback feature, and have no reason to believe it won't be implemented.
Did he really say "....and have no reason to believe it won't be implemented." ????

I thought he was supposed to be an intelligent and informed kind of person? Call me a troll if you must, but that just sounds so naive that it must be a trap being set for Microsoft to have proven reason to never let MS near another child in the developing world ever again?

Re:I just threw up my dinner..... (5, Informative)

wertigon (1204486) | more than 6 years ago | (#21995070)

Taken from Wikipedia [wikipedia.org] (emphasis mine):

The users can modify the laptop's operating system, a special version of Red Hat Linux running the new Sugar graphical user interface and operating on top of LinuxBIOS and Open Firmware. The original system remains available in the background and can be restored.

So, it would appear MS do not have a choice in the matter, since the BIOS cannot be altered without substantial effort (requires a developer key) and that is what controls the fallback mechanism.

Re:Not dual-boot, but a roll-back to Linux feature (1)

starfishsystems (834319) | more than 6 years ago | (#21995138)

And what part of "embrace and extend" does he think will be held in abeyance here? Oh, but they said they wouldn't, this time. Anyone care to bet the next release after the approved one doesn't quite roll back to Linux correctly?

I don't know what possible gain for the OLPC project could arise out of this sort of complicity, but something, surely. Why put your head in a noose, otherwise? But to my way of thinking, it just taints an otherwise inspired idea.

Don't worry MS, the OLPC will fail (-1, Flamebait)

schnikies79 (788746) | more than 6 years ago | (#21994392)

The Slashdot mods won't like this, but the OLPC is just one huge failure.

With how many Millions in donations and untold amounts of hype, there has still been no real delivery of the laptops. You keep hearing about them, but where are the 1000's of 3rd world kids using and learning with it? How many more Millions need to be given before we see a true and actual shipment. I guess thats what you get for trying to reinvent the wheel. They could have went with more established tech and the kids could have one now, but instead they rebuild it from the ground up and no one has one. This project shouldn't be taking this long; they're not building a space shuttle.

If I donated anything, I would want my money back.

Re:Don't worry MS, the OLPC will fail (1)

dns_server (696283) | more than 6 years ago | (#21994516)

You have not been paying attention, there are real children who have them NOW in brazil and nigeria and a few other countries.
Sure they have not had the huge orders and roll outs yet but the fact that it exists now in pilot programs is something.

Re:Don't worry MS, the OLPC will fail (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21994696)

The Slashdot mods won't like this, but the OLPC is just one huge failure.

Slashdot mods probably won't like it because it's utterly false. They're weird like that.

With how many Millions in donations and untold amounts of hype, there has still been no real delivery of the laptops. You keep hearing about them, but where are the 1000's of 3rd world kids using and learning with it?

Here's an article [slashdot.org] from less than 3 weeks ago about exactly that. It's on some site with a weird name ("colon slash slash dot dot org org org" or something), so I don't blame you for not seeing it.

How many more Millions need to be given before we see a true and actual shipment. I guess thats what you get for trying to reinvent the wheel. They could have went with more established tech and the kids could have one now, but instead they rebuild it from the ground up and no one has one.

"More established tech" would be an order of magnitude more expensive, not work reliably in the environments where their target audience lives, and be virtually unusable by them as well. To use your space flight analogy, it would be like trying to fly a 747 at an altitude of 200 miles and calling it a space shuttle.

This project shouldn't be taking this long; they're not building a space shuttle.

Can only things which make it to low earth orbit be revolutionary? OK, let's compare it to the space shuttle. The space shuttle was built to bring down the price of lifting a pound into orbit from $1000 down to $20-50; even after a few decades, it's well over $100/pound (3x more than planned). Huge failure?

Maybe another personal computer would be a better comparison. The Macintosh was originally supposed to bring Lisa-friendly computing from $10,000 down to $500. They took about 5 years, and shipped at $2500 (5x more than planned). (They're also the only personal computer maker from the early 1980's I know of who is still in business.) Huge failure?

The OLPC was built to bring the price of a laptop from $1000 to $100; in less than 3 years, it's less than $200 (2x more than planned), plus they've actually shipped. That's the kind of "huge failure" the rest of the industry is jealous of.

If I donated anything, I would want my money back.

If I was your wife, I would want a divorce. Fortunately for both of us, both are as untrue as your rant.

Re:Don't worry MS, the OLPC will fail (2, Interesting)

skoaldipper (752281) | more than 6 years ago | (#21994870)

I think moderating you "flamebait" was a tad bit harsh for just sharing your opinion. However, the process [laptopfoundation.org] of donating is quite simple. I'm no Bill Gates philanthropist, but how is this any different than sponsoring a child through World Vision or Christian Children's Fund? The only change I would like to see from OLPC is to receive some sort of contact information with the child I already sponsored, much like CCF offers. The real question you have to ask yourself is

Are you down with OLPC? Yeah, you know me.
Who's down with OLPC? Every slashdotie.

I just wish I could buy one for myself, even at twice the price would be nice. They could use the spare $200 for another donation or roll the "profit" back into lowering costs or something. There's something novel about the XO which is alluring to me as a gadget monkey. I'd gladly donate my ownership of it to some inner city kids locally after I built up my Popeye arm for a bit. I want to look like Reggie from "Lady in the Water". You down with OLPC?

Re:Don't worry MS, the OLPC will fail (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21996170)

Retard, learn to read and write. Inbred redneck hillbilly.

Not Windows desktop...hopefully something on top (5, Interesting)

Killer Eye (3711) | more than 6 years ago | (#21994404)

I can only hope they plan to redefine the interface on top of the Windows core (e.g. like they do in ATMs), because the default Windows interface would be absolutely terrible for a laptop given to a child.

So would any windowing interface, which is why OLPC spent so much time developing an alternative interface that is decent for education.

Let's see what Microsoft puts on top of Windows...let's see if they actually care about children and what is best for education. If this laptop boots into the standard Windows desktop, I'll assume they have no clue about what is good for a child and are just in it to preserve their monopoly.

Re:Not Windows desktop...hopefully something on to (5, Insightful)

TheRaven64 (641858) | more than 6 years ago | (#21994444)

It won't work. If you remove the Windows UI then you remove the value (from Microsoft's perspective) of the machines running Windows: millions of children growing up thinking the Windows UI is how a computer is supposed to work.

Re:Not Windows desktop...hopefully something on to (5, Interesting)

amiga500 (935789) | more than 6 years ago | (#21995208)

If Microsoft put the XBox team in charge of coming up with a version of Windows for the XO, then it would probably fit onto the flash disk and have a usable interface.

Re:Not Windows desktop...hopefully something on to (2, Funny)

Daengbo (523424) | more than 6 years ago | (#21996220)

Shhh. Please don't give them any ideas which might actually work!

Re:Not Windows desktop...hopefully something on to (1)

karlto (883425) | more than 6 years ago | (#21994736)

Microsoft Bob, anyone?

Re:Not Windows desktop...hopefully something on to (1)

martin-boundary (547041) | more than 6 years ago | (#21995068)

I thought ATMs use IBM's OS/2? Do you actually know which banks use Windows ATMs? I'd rather not trust my credit card details to their software, all things being equal.

Re:Not Windows desktop...hopefully something on to (1)

Killer Eye (3711) | more than 6 years ago | (#21995458)

Heh, well most of them unfortunately. It's easier to Google for blue-screening ATMs (since it hasn't happened just once).

Re:Not Windows desktop...hopefully something on to (2, Interesting)

x_codingmonkey_x (839141) | more than 6 years ago | (#21995770)

In my mind, the real question is, what happened to the whole Open and Free policy that the OLPC program claimed to maintain. They turned down Microsoft (originally) and Apple. However, now seem to be more then happy to work with Microsoft. WTF? Has Openness and Freedom been thrown out the Window? What happened to allowing the kids to extend the laptops? To not locking them in? I don't know what's going on, but I'll bet that large quantities of money were slipped under the table. Unfortunately, it seems everyone has a price.

New FUD method... (2, Funny)

3seas (184403) | more than 6 years ago | (#21994416)

... lets start passing rumors that MS is befriending Linux....

Re:New FUD method... (1)

chammy (1096007) | more than 6 years ago | (#21995990)

I think the proper term is "embrace."

Technical Barriers to Hacking Windows onto the XO (3, Insightful)

TheNarrator (200498) | more than 6 years ago | (#21994426)

"The main barrier is that the XO has only 1 GB of built-in memory and no hard drive, Utzschneider reportedly said. Accordingly, Microsoft has been exploring the idea of building Windows and Office on a 2 GB add-in card, but this would require writing new BIOS software for booting directly from the SD card."

Cryptographically signed firmware is a bitch... Seems that the whole anti-theft system built into the XO is going to get in the way of Microsoft hijacking the project without OLPC's express consent.

Re:Technical Barriers to Hacking Windows onto the (1)

QuantumG (50515) | more than 6 years ago | (#21995210)

Indeed. And, surprise surprise, by accommodating Microsoft a big fat security hole is introduced.

Re:Technical Barriers to Hacking Windows onto the (1)

Fred Ferrigno (122319) | more than 6 years ago | (#21996210)

Cryptographically signed firmware is a bitch... Seems that the whole anti-theft system built into the XO is going to get in the way of Microsoft hijacking the project without OLPC's express consent.
When the home brew folks do it to a PSP it's cool, but when Microsoft does it to the XO it's evil?

Windows just sucks (2, Interesting)

Marcion (876801) | more than 6 years ago | (#21994466)

Yeah, I find it rather ironic that Microsoft can't just install because of Trusted computing features!

Anyhow, Windows can't dual boot because:
a) Windows is sooo huge and bloated that it can't fit on as it is, let alone with having another OS
b) In the native state, the OLPC has OpenFirmware, it does not have any legacy BIOS
 

Correct, they are not dual-boot (1)

GroundBounce (20126) | more than 6 years ago | (#21994476)

The project involves replacing Linux with Windows, and then reverting back if necessary. There is more info here [radian.org] (near the bottom).

Re:Correct, they are not dual-boot (2, Insightful)

warrigal (780670) | more than 6 years ago | (#21995358)

OLPC declined Steve's offer of a custom OSX because it was "proprietary". Now they are going to snuggle up to Microsoft? They'll get eaten alive!

Actualluy (4, Interesting)

s4ltyd0g (452701) | more than 6 years ago | (#21994540)

If they can make a stripped down version run on an XO, can I please have that same version for my PC?

Re:Actualluy (1)

grapeape (137008) | more than 6 years ago | (#21994636)

Thats pretty easy actually...use http://www.vlite.net/ [vlite.net] Vlite

Re:Actualluy (1)

enoz (1181117) | more than 6 years ago | (#21994908)

I haven't RTFA, but so far everyone else in this thread is talking about Windows XP.

vLite is a tool for customizing the Windows Vista installation before actually installing it.

Re:Actualluy (2, Informative)

trawg (308495) | more than 6 years ago | (#21995514)

He might mean nlite [nliteos.com] , which I think is the same thing as vlite but for XP.

Re:Actualluy (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21994650)

Sure, but it won't run DirectX 10 or play HD video properly.
Oh, wait.

Re:Actualluy (3, Informative)

Zantetsuken (935350) | more than 6 years ago | (#21994678)

Sure, its already out even - Windows Fundamentals for Legacy PC's [wikipedia.org] . The catch is you actually can't have it, since its meant for "system builders" only. While it claims the bare minimum memory is 64MB of RAM and a Pentium 2, you'd have the same experience as using a Vista machine on under-spec hardware.

Re:Actualluy (2, Funny)

mea37 (1201159) | more than 6 years ago | (#21994714)

So... If I read that right, you said "Yes, you can get what you want... except that you can't get it and it isn't what you want."?

I don't get it.

For $3 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21994734)

It is reported that they will want $3 a copy for XP and Office

In most countries that would be called 'dumping'.

Re:Actualluy (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21996132)

Um, you can, just not officially. Google for XPlite, microXP, nLite, or vLite, (for Vista). It's amazing how smoothly vista home premium can run on obsolete hardware with 5.5 gigs stripped out of the base install, and you'd be surprised at how slickly a 42mb XP install can run.

Just because you haven't bothered asking Google, doesn't mean it can't be done. The Linux community isn't the only one that like to fuck around with their OS.

Most Windows components from IE/Explorer or WMP to something trivial such as the clipbook or remote registry can be stripped out or swapped in fairly painlessly. Hell, the above mentioned applications even give you a GUI to do just that (with the exception of microXP, which is an illegal, third party XP distribution crammed into a 75mb ISO, which was mentioned as a case-in-point).

cake (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21994564)

A computer without Windows is like chocolate cake without mustard.

Re:cake (1)

Nimey (114278) | more than 6 years ago | (#21995114)

s/mustard/Ex-Lax/

Why the waste of resources? (5, Insightful)

pembo13 (770295) | more than 6 years ago | (#21994598)

Why are the OLPC people using resources assisting a billion dollar cooperation in a field where that cooperation is supposed to be a specialist? If all the XO technical issues have been solved, then they paste fire the unneeded engineers and save fiscal resources -- or is Microsoft giving money to the OLPC project for this service?

Re:Why the waste of resources? (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21994852)

Because Linux based Laptops are useless for Third-World kids as MS controls 95% of the OS market.
Linux is only useful for rich spoiled geeks in the USA.
So, or OLPC gets a working Windows based Laptop or No government, on a mentally sane state, will invest any money to buy some geeky stupid thing.
They are not buying laptops for their kids to play tetris or post on /. they are buying laptops to enable their future generations to get a place on a heavy computerized world work market. And to do so they need Windows. That was the reason why most of the Latin American countries withdrew from the OLPC project distribution.

Re:Why the waste of resources? (1)

QuantumG (50515) | more than 6 years ago | (#21995000)

The children a right to laugh at you Ralph, you obviously have no idea what the OLPC is.

Re:Why the waste of resources? (1)

Khaed (544779) | more than 6 years ago | (#21995640)

Linux is only useful for rich spoiled geeks in the USA.

Am I the only one who found this hilarious seeing as how Linux was started by a not-spoiled, not-rich geek in Finland?

Re:Why the waste of resources? (1)

karmaflux (148909) | more than 6 years ago | (#21995118)

OLPC is not using any resources assisting Microsoft. Microsoft is not paying OLPC. XO developers are still working on the OLPC's Fedora-based distribution exclusively.

Read this: http://radian.org/notebook/paradox-of-choice [radian.org]

Hot on the heels of Hubble Finds Double * Ring (0, Offtopic)

davidsyes (765062) | more than 6 years ago | (#21994606)

* (ballmer/msoft?)

What a cosmic implosion for all that banter and bickering in yesterday's thread. Any bets on msoft being DeepGoat (the Deepthroat) source of the leak?

Just like naval vessels, it seems we have rumour for EVERY occasion, hehehehe.

But, here's truth, Stevie B:

I LOVE my Linux Experience, thank you very much (despite some hickups). I have ALTFAA (A Laptop For An Adult), and I'm experiencing:

http://www.cad-schroer.com/index.php?screen=1&land=com [cad-schroer.com]

EVEN THOUGH I just bought a vista-harboring Gateway laptop, and even though I bought Punch! CAD and TurboCAD. Cad-Schroer has a few things for me to wrap my brain around, and the Linux client is UNIXy, but if ever I want to use the *dows client, I can do that too.

Too bad not many other companies in CAD provide a free (for personal use) Linux binary/rpm.

So, stevie, you're NOT welcome in MY double-ring. I like them working the way nature intended, "unchallenged"...

Re:Hot on the heels of Hubble Finds Double * Ring (1)

phrostie (121428) | more than 6 years ago | (#21994832)

cool, thanks for the link

Elvis (3, Funny)

Dan East (318230) | more than 6 years ago | (#21994850)

enable a high-quality Windows experience

Let's see what Elvis has to say about that:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=YikMhfKmBrY [youtube.com]

Dan East

XBill (1)

phrostie (121428) | more than 6 years ago | (#21994866)

Wow, not one xbill joke or reference that i've seen so far

Be carefull! remember Pen Windows and Go (4, Insightful)

mlwmohawk (801821) | more than 6 years ago | (#21994920)

I was looking at developing software for an innovative pen-based computer system named go!. It was cool, it was radically different, and when they started lining up real interest, suddenly Microsoft had "Pen Windows!" Support dropped away like autumn leaves. How could someone competing with Microsoft succeed? My bet is that Microsoft is making lots of noise saying that XP will be on the XO, and use that as a stalling method. Governments and institutions will wait for Windows XO, before buying the XO, thus depriving the OLPC non-profit for income to "break even" and continue operation. They have to make some money, right? Otherwise they'd give it away for free. Nothing Microsoft or the Gates Foundation does is for the common good. It is alway for profitable or anti-competitive. Always. Never forget that. I have been in this industry too long and I have seen too many things for anyone to convince me otherwise.

Re:Be carefull! remember Pen Windows and Go (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21995310)

Nothing Microsoft or the Gates Foundation does is for the common good. It is alway for profitable or anti-competitive. Always.

That's true for any publicly traded company, by law. Everything they do must be in the interests of the shareholders, which means profit.

when will it stop (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21994972)

So much anti-windows/anti-ms mentality. I mean, I've listen to this for since Windows 1.0.

Windows OS is like a petrol car.
-It might not be the safest way to travel.
-It might have all these safety features, but none protecting it from carjackings or from a tree falling on it or from someone steeling the 'rims' off it.
-There are plenty of other ways to travel besides it.

But when it comes down to it, everyone is going to use it.

Re:when will it stop (3, Funny)

hxnwix (652290) | more than 6 years ago | (#21995586)

So much anti-anti-windows/anti-anti-ms mentality. I mean, I've listen to this for since Windows 1.0.

Windows OS is like a yugo.
-It might not be the safest way to travel, provided that it even starts at all.
-It might immolate you spontaneously, but at least nobody will bother stealing it from you.
-There are plenty of other ways to travel besides it, should you actually want to go anywhere today.

But when it comes down to it, everyone is going to make stupid, trollish car analogies.

EeePC is similar form factor, but smaller (2)

MichaelPenne (605299) | more than 6 years ago | (#21994984)

Just got mine, it's smaller [engadget.com] than the OLPC, with a nice lightweight Linux OS. This is a great little machine with a QWERTY keyboard that is actually usable (typing this on it now) VGA out, 3 USB 2 ports, multi-card reader, full version of Firefox and OpenOffice, etc.

Re:EeePC is similar form factor, but smaller (1)

scream at the sky (989144) | more than 6 years ago | (#21995834)

I'm typing away on an EEE PC as well, which I love, but let's face it, the machine is not up for the task the OLPC is meant for. The keyboard would last about a month if I gave this thing to my niece or nephew, you have to admit that it is rather cheap. Not to mention that the battery life is no where near the same specs as OLPC is. I get about 2.5 hours out of mine, with wifi on, running xubuntu 7.10. The XO gets much better battery life, and is actually designed with more rugged (read: abusive) use in mind. Throw in cool features like mesh networking and the ability to apparently charge it from a hand crank, and you quickly come to see that it's not even the same class of machine even though the size is the roughly the same.

Some changes will have to be made (5, Funny)

symbolset (646467) | more than 6 years ago | (#21995174)

There's an edit source button on the XO. In the Sugar environment it pulls up the source code of the current program for editing. In order to teach these waifs proper respect for the sacred and occult art of programming, it will be replaced with a device that delivers a mild electric shock. Of course, no matter how many times they press it nothing else will happen because unlike an operating system the Windows operating environment comes with neither source code nor a compiler.

Before being permitted to operate their Microsoft Enhanced XO systems they must be taught the proper rituals of Windows Update, Antivirus Update, Virus Removal, Patch Tuesday and Troubleshooting Wednesday. These will be provided by a Microsoft authorized Training Center and will be four days of rigorous training followed by a certification exam and be offered for only $2300 per student.

Because some of the XOs might be used in an isolated environment until Microsoft figures out this "mesh networking", the Microsoft Enhanced XO will have its malware preinstalled.

Mesh networking is provisionally anticipated to be delivered in 2012, and a secure network stack is not expected ever.

turning the table on MS? (1)

mathfeel (937008) | more than 6 years ago | (#21995268)

I thought the goal of OLPC is to provide an (cheap) open platform for educational purpose for third-world country. Now, I don't see how any MS involvement can be classified as open (unless hell freezes over, I suppose). Shouldn't OLPC clarify this point in some near future?? Clear the rumor already!!

Now, MS can develop a flavor of Windows that runs on XO. All the power to them. However, no way should that be the endorsed OLPC configuration since it's not open. That said, MS can of course offer some sorts of easy install solid-state storage media to the user of OLPC. OLPC should not offer support for it though. Just like Dell wouldn't offer me support, when they heard that I gutted the original XP installation and installed linux. Surely MS can offer software (even hardware) support. I don't see much incentive, moneywise, to support few million computers that you don't really sell the software to for any value. Surely, one can argue that then these kids would grow up using Windows, but 10+ years of support is not cheap...

Vista?! (1)

Memroid (898199) | more than 6 years ago | (#21995284)

While we have investigated the possibility in the past, Microsoft is not developing dual-boot Windows XP support for the One Laptop Per Child's XO laptop.
Aha! Of course, they aren't developing dual-boot for Windows XP, they're developing dual-boot support on the XO for Windows Vista!

A "materials" issue. (2, Funny)

fahrbot-bot (874524) | more than 6 years ago | (#21995292)

Microsoft is not developing dual-boot Windows XP support for the One Laptop Per Child's XO laptop.

Apparently, the duct tape holding the dual-boot beta [slashdot.org] didn't work as expected.

The Windows Experience? (4, Funny)

fahrbot-bot (874524) | more than 6 years ago | (#21995322)

Our current goal remains to provide a high-quality Windows experience on the XO device.

I'm still waiting for that on *my* system.

What's so fracking hard about this? (2)

rickb928 (945187) | more than 6 years ago | (#21995428)

Just take Bart's PE...

???

Profit!

And we don't need much M$ for this...

Hey, maybe M$ should license Bart's...

(bahahahahahahaha!)

Windows being ported to the XO (4, Insightful)

this great guy (922511) | more than 6 years ago | (#21995828)

"Microsoft struggles to port Windows to a device originally conceived to run Linux."
If you had told me, in the 90s, that it would eventually happen, I would have never believed you.

Cunning Strategy? (4, Insightful)

Shuntros (1059306) | more than 6 years ago | (#21996296)

Yes, but what if... OLPC are quietly stringing MS along with no intention of putting Windoze on the machine, whilst in the meantime getting thousands of laptops out there into the real world. Once the laptop (with it's splendid open source operating system) is out there in sufficient enough numbers, OLPC can tell MS to disappear back under their rock, safe in the knowledge that other avenues for indoctrinating the masses have long since closed.

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