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Evolving Blu-ray Format Will Leave Some Behind

kdawson posted more than 6 years ago | from the pioneers-and-arrows dept.

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Reservoir Hill writes "Blu-ray may have taken a commanding lead in the next-generation format war, but Betanews is reporting that early supporters of Blu-ray will be left out in the cold when the Blu-ray Disc Association introduces BD Profile 2.0, expected to arrive in October. Unlike HD DVD, which from the very beginning mandated features such as local storage, a second video and audio decoder for picture-in-picture, and a network connection, the companies behind Blu-ray took a different approach to keep costs down. 'We should have waited another year to introduce Blu-ray to the public, but the format war changed the situation,' said one developer. Representatives at the Blu-ray booth at CES said that the PlayStation 3 is currently the only player they would recommend, due to upcoming changes to the platform. Asked if they were concerned about a backlash from early adopters who supported the format from the beginning, one representative said: 'They knew what they were getting into.'"

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Yeah (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22019590)

those niggers knew what they were getting into.

No tears.

What about the Blue Gums format 2.0? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22019600)

Those bluegummed niggers need an update, STAT!

First... (1)

TheVelvetFlamebait (986083) | more than 6 years ago | (#22019602)

... and only post?

WTF is going on here? Where are all the comments?

I guess this is the ultimate statement that BluRay is irrelevant.

Re:First... (1)

botrunner (804721) | more than 6 years ago | (#22019642)

It seems like posting just became possible about 3 minutes ago (6:31 EST), based on your comment and three trolls being the only ones here.

Re:First... (1)

botrunner (804721) | more than 6 years ago | (#22019692)

Actually, now that I think of it, I don;t think this was here yesterday. I was probably just posted on the wrong day. Some people must be seeing it at the top, I would expect, since the trolls found it so fast. Also, what is the minimun time between posts for 'normal' people. I have bad karma because I accidentally posted the same link as someone else two years ago, right when I joined, and nobody has moderated me since, and I have to wait for like 10 min or more between posts.

Re:First... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22022368)

if you have a dynamic ip address that you can reset then you can post as much as you want.... or at least thats what i do to get 4,5,6,7 or more posts in row... Once i got an error that said 'hold on cowboy -- you have posted 30 times in the last 4 hours'

Re:First... (1)

Vaginal_flatulence (1153821) | more than 6 years ago | (#22022020)

the niggers ate all the comments. then they shit out some nigger babies.

Re:First... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22057752)

4 days later ... only 46 posts (47 counting this one).

Weird.

Maybe nobody cares about next-gen DVDs.

NIGGERS RULE SLASHDOT (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22019610)

overthrow the niggers~

The Blu-ray format didn't need to evolve (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22019624)

Niggers are what need to evolve. Evolve into real people.

If only evolution weren't a sham.

So basically, HD-DVD deserved to win (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22019640)

Welfare helps Blu-ray, the nigger of all formats, to beat its superior.

Remind you of anything? Like REAL LIFE MAYBE???

Sony's Microsoftian tactics (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22019652)

They really stuck it to you niggers with that PS3 thing, didn't they?

Evolving White Race will leave some behind (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22019672)

like guess who?

Warner's historic decision (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22019700)

What a bunch of scumsucking niggers!

I mean, GOLLY!

Gawrsh!

Without PlayStation3, Blu-ray wouldn't exist (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22019710)

And without slavery, niggers wouldn't be in America.

Semi-Expected (1)

gnuman99 (746007) | more than 6 years ago | (#22019712)

When BlueRay was first unvailed it was already behind HD-DVD. It was few months late and not all glitches were fixed and all features done. Now, they are finally getting all features complete. This is the result. Incompatible upgrade.

Of course, if a player has firmware upgrade capabilities, it may not be obsolete.

Re:Semi-Expected (1, Informative)

zonker (1158) | more than 6 years ago | (#22023080)

You can't upgrade many of the features the new profiles require with firmware unless the hardware is already there.

Profile 1.1 requires a secondary video and audio processor for PIP support as well as a minimum of 256meg of local storage.

Profile 2.0 requires everything 1.1 has plus an ethernet port and a minimum of 1gig local storage.

Everyone seems to know about the ethernet port but few people seem to know about the storage issue. Profile 2.0 will be an issue with all but a small handful of players on the market today.

HNA vs. Blu-ray vs. HD-DVD (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22019722)

HUGE NIGGER ATTACK wins!

"They knew what they were getting into"? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22019732)

Couldn't you say the same thing about the USA and its nigger problem?

If Wii had supported HD-DVD... (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22019746)

It would have been twice as expensive and half as successful. I'm glad the people at Niggertendo didn't make this grievous error.

going against the grain here... (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22019772)

personally, i love niggers

BD Profile 2.0 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22019778)

- Not going to work
- Incapable of working
- Going to not work
- Gonna unwork
- Es non worko
- Really not going to work
- So not going to work.

My contribution to the discussion (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22019826)

A nigger walks into a bar with a duck on his shoulder. Bartender says, "Hey, cool, where did you get that?" Duck says, "Africa, they are all over the fucking place."

goddamn (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22019888)

my man you see I can't understand
why you wanna say nigger to your brother man
talking black pride then you call yourself a nigger
don't bring yourself down cos it just don't figure
take a look at yourself and your history
you don't look like a goddamn nigger to me
it's a negative word and the white man made it
gave you a name to dominate and trade it
making blood money of his very own race man
and all of this because
the color of your face man

Nigger, Nigger, Nigger, Nigger

placed and educated in a neighborhood of crime
taught from the beginning that you weren't worth time
liquor-store and gun store next to one another
with only one purpose so you all kill each other
leaving one less problem to worry about
that's the way they do it this is how it turns out
and justice for all with the American government
I wanna know where all the goddamn money went
we didn't see it and it didn't do no good
I guess you couldn't give a fuck about a black neighborhood

Nigger, Nigger, Nigger, Nigger

Nigger you're the real niggers, you're the real niggers,
you're the real niggers, you're the real niggers
there's always gonna be fanatical minorities
the Ku Klux Klan and fucked up authorities
conservative cunts and religious preachers
I don't care cos they ain't our teachers
living a life they say is free from sin
then they judge another person by the color of their skin
I feel ashamed of myself I'm a white human being
surrounded by suckers to afraid to be seeing
they ain't such a thing called superior race
and there ain't nothing special 'bout the color of your face
you've got a one way ticket to a dead end street
the pressure is on so feel the heat
media pollution is a very bad solution
hypocritical hype is your only contribution
so leave us alone and give your brothers some space
cos you're a lousy contribution to the human race
Nigger, Nigger...

Laser Diodes (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22019998)

Yes! More blue laser diodes for cheaper. Will Blu-ray burners be going obsolete as well?

I wouldn't be so hasty in predicting HD DVD's end (1)

wicka (985217) | more than 6 years ago | (#22020170)

Warner Bros. biggest reason for switch to BR was that the format war was causing customers to buy fewer movies altogether (not just HD movies). This sort of thing isn't going to help ease the confusion. In addition, HD DVD is going to throw in everything they've got. I would imagine you will see HD DVD players at absurdly low prices, because even if they are losing a hundred bucks on each player, they are still recouping SOME cost. If you get the average consumer to look at it and realize, well this HD DVD player is $200 less than Blu-Ray, and the BR one might not even work in a couple months (even if that is not the actual situation, that possibility is still floating around), you may begin to see a rise in HD DVD sales.

I think the most important thing we've seen from Paramount and Universal's relationship with HD DVD is that these are NOT binding contracts. If there is any sort of significant consumer momentum towards HD DVD, studios are not going to hesitate to go where the money is. Just because Blu-Ray has a massive lead right now doesn't mean it will stay that way; remember, high-def movie sales are still a TINY fraction of total movie sales.

Re:I wouldn't be so hasty in predicting HD DVD's e (1)

Enahs (1606) | more than 6 years ago | (#22022594)

Well, yeah; price and the incomplete BR spec are two factors that went into me buying an Toshiba HD-A3 a mere week before Warner's bombshell. I kept mine rather than opting for an Oppo because I only have Region 1 DVDs, don't play SVCDs (and if I do, I have a SD DVD player that does fine for that) and don't care about JPEG slideshows or Divx playback, so for less than an Oppo I got something that plays DVDs about as well as an Oppo. Now, it might be limited to 1080i but at my TV's size (32") I can't really tell the difference...for all I know, the TV just deinterlaces it.

Would I buy into Blu-Ray before Christmas, or possibly before next year? Nope. It's still too much in the air. So from my perspective, the studios just kinda gave up on high-def for now, and went for DRM. Yeah, I know, I know; Blu-Ray is technologically superior. It's also crippled and incomplete, with the crippling being the only reason studios are going nutso over Blu. Better tech for the wrong reason is just wrong tech, in my book.

OTOH, HD DVD, while inferior, is ready NOW and with good transfers looks FANTASTIC. And before you scoff, I've seen it on larger sets, and it does indeed look fantastic. I couldn't help but notice that my local Best Buy FINALLY put an HD DVD display up, and the content they're playing on both...no contest, whoever authored the Blu content was a monkey, as it looks like ass, and the HD DVD content looks fantastic. Hm...$200 to get in on HD that looks nice, or $400 for theoretically superior but looks like ass...hm...

But yeah, if the word gets out that the Toshiba units also make awesome DVD players, likely upscaling better than your TV does, you'll likely see the things start to sell like hotcakes, espec

Re:I wouldn't be so hasty in predicting HD DVD's e (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22024130)

I bought the same player from Amazon just before Christmas when it was $198, It's $139.98 right now.
Here's a tip for anyone not aware: Call 1-800-201-7575
dial extension 7. Ask about their 30-day price guarantee
They will refund you the difference between the current price and what you paid for it within 30 days as long as it was sold directly by Amazon. Amazon rocks!!! You'll need to give them the order # so have that handy when you call.

I don't regret purchasing this player, it's an awesome upconverting DVD player. Plus I can rent HD DVDs and play them unlike with an Oppo or other upconverting player.

Re:I wouldn't be so hasty in predicting HD DVD's e (1)

ToasterMonkey (467067) | more than 6 years ago | (#22027000)

How is Blu-ray more crippled, or incomplete?

OTOH, HD DVD, while inferior, is ready NOW and with good transfers looks FANTASTIC. And before you scoff, I've seen it on larger sets, and it does indeed look fantastic. I couldn't help but notice that my local Best Buy FINALLY put an HD DVD display up, and the content they're playing on both...no contest, whoever authored the Blu content was a monkey, as it looks like ass, and the HD DVD content looks fantastic. Hm...$200 to get in on HD that looks nice, or $400 for theoretically superior but looks like ass...hm...
That has nothing to do with either format. There is nothing in either spec that will give one an advantage, visually.
"and with good transfers looks FANTASTIC" What I don't get, is that you seem to understand how a good DVD could be encoded as a bad HD-DVD, but you watch ONE HD-DVD/Blu-ray comparison, and conclude that Blu-ray has inferior video quality.

Hm...$200 to get in on HD that looks nice, or $400 for theoretically superior but looks like ass...hm...
... and one only plays movies while the other is really a PS3?

Were you intentionally trying to mislead everyone with that whole paragraph?

Re:I wouldn't be so hasty in predicting HD DVD's e (1)

Enahs (1606) | more than 6 years ago | (#22061328)

How is Blu-ray more crippled, or incomplete?


If I go out and pay $400 dollars on a player, I expect it to support the full spectrum of BD features, just like the "doorstop" in my rack right now. But they won't, and never will. To me that's the very definition of crippled; hey, I might not ever use the BD Live features, but I dislike the idea of buying into the format if I know the current players will be that much obsolete before the year is out.

Much as purchasers of higher-end stuff don't like to admit it, more middle-class consumers don't like to blow tha t kind of money on something that's planned do be obsolete in less than a year. In my rack, I also have a CD changer that dates to March 1990. Would I have gotten it if I had known it was going to be totally obsolete in 1991? Doubtful; the thing cost about $300 back then.

The fact is, just being the format that 70% of the studios behind something isn't going to be enough to boost consumer confidence. If anything, having a studio pull the rug out from under me just SHOOK my confidence. How am I to know that, if BD sales don't go up, we won't just see studios drop support for BOTH formats?

Face it; DVD is heavily entrenched and for people like me, had fate not swayed my hand and forced me to replace a burnt-out unit, I would still be cherrily watching movies on my DVD player. As it is, I'm using my HD DVD unit largely as a DVD player, and have no plans to run out and splooge all over myself to get a BD player. After being burnt on one format, I'm not in a big hurry to jump into the other.

And do you think Disney's going to be a big factor in winning parents over to BD? Maybe, but I think not; how many minivans will be shipping with BD players this year?

That has nothing to do with either format. There is nothing in either spec that will give one an advantage, visually.
"and with good transfers looks FANTASTIC" What I don't get, is that you seem to understand how a good DVD could be encoded as a bad HD-DVD, but you watch ONE HD-DVD/Blu-ray comparison, and conclude that Blu-ray has inferior video quality.


I hate to tell you this, but every single POS display I've seen for Blu-Ray has video that looks like shit. Not so on the inferior, dead HD DVD format. It's puzzling since both use the same codecs but BD DL disks have higher capacity. I guess they could all be set up wrong, but I would think that the same retail monkey who sets up the BD display would also do the HD display. It's really weird.

Re:I wouldn't be so hasty in predicting HD DVD's e (0)

zonker (1158) | more than 6 years ago | (#22023100)

Seems to me that having a MASSIVE amount of players on the market might sway studios back into HD-DVD. Seems like Toshiba could take their second generation player, the very fine HD-A2 and mass produce the thing like crazy and sell them for $89 and push the crap out of them in advertising and store spiffs.

If they can sell for under $100 out the door and Toshiba can keep stores supplied with them the market could easily shift back into the HD-DVD camp. Studios would be retarded not to support a format that has so many players for so cheap (though the power of stupidity is strong in Hollywood). That price point is a guilt free price for most any consumer.

Re:I wouldn't be so hasty in predicting HD DVD's e (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22034058)

I read somewhere that there was going to be a huge price drop in the HD-DVD players. However, I think it might be mostly to get rid of inventory. A friend of mine recently got a HD-DVD player, and he was a little bit disappointed because it increasing looks like BR will win. I told him not to worry, because he will be able to get a lot of deals on movies. I was pretty fortunate to find a small video rental store that was cleaning out laser discs just as DVDs were becoming popular and got a lot of movies cheap. I would bet pawn shops will have a lot of good deals.

Mass return of all BluRay players? (2, Informative)

Christopher_G_Lewis (260977) | more than 6 years ago | (#22020762)

So will we now see a mass return of all the recently bought BluRay players?

This is *exactly* friggin' why technology gets such a crappy reputation. Products not ready for mainstream are pushed out because marketing says its time.

I really hope that this does in BluRay - friggin' DRM ridden POS.

BTW - why don't you see a huge backlash against BluRay for region coding? I was just visiting friends that are ex-pats in Spain, and in order to watch their DVD's, they have *3* players hooked up - US, Europe and Australian - to deal with DVD's they have from everywhere they've lived.

None of that crap with HD-DVD - they eliminated regionalization.

Re:Mass return of all BluRay players? (1)

Anand7 (1064580) | more than 6 years ago | (#22021496)

HD-DVD supports regionalisation. As a tactic, they haven't implemented it yet. This is all Mopar vs Chevy, Mac vs PC, chunky vs smooth rubbish. I bought a PS3 because I have a whack of PS2 games and there were movies I liked on Blu-Ray. I'll likely end up buying an XBox as well...they just better include a reference HD-DVD player. But mark my words, the DRM stuff ain't going away soon, in either format.

Re:Mass return of all BluRay players? (0)

zonker (1158) | more than 6 years ago | (#22023042)

Nope. There is *no* region coding whatsoever in the current HD-DVD spec. None. Zip. Nada.

Proof: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HD_DVD#Digital_rights_management [wikipedia.org]

Re:Mass return of all BluRay players? (1)

ToasterMonkey (467067) | more than 6 years ago | (#22026242)

There are only 3 for Blu-ray, and the US one includes North America, Central America, South America, Japan, Taiwan, North Korea, South Korea, Hong Kong, and Southeast Asia.
It's not nearly the same problem DVD region encoding was.

About 2/3's are region free [blu-raystats.com] anyway.

Re:Mass return of all BluRay players? (1)

tlhIngan (30335) | more than 6 years ago | (#22035250)

HD-DVD supports regionalisation. As a tactic, they haven't implemented it yet. This is all Mopar vs Chevy, Mac vs PC, chunky vs smooth rubbish. I bought a PS3 because I have a whack of PS2 games and there were movies I liked on Blu-Ray. I'll likely end up buying an XBox as well...they just better include a reference HD-DVD player. But mark my words, the DRM stuff ain't going away soon, in either format.


Problem is, as a format, HD-DVD may support it, but if it isn't implemented, it's going to be a royal pain in doing so!

HD-DVD avoids a lot of this "Blu-Ray nastiness" by making a fixed standard from the get-go (all the stuff BD Live (Blu-Ray 2.0) supports). Heck, HD-DVD supports triple layers too. The 17GB/layer is a hack, but the players are tolerant enough of the extra bit density to make it possible. Of course, no one makes triple layer HD-DVDs because the technology isn't perfected yet (like double-layer BDs). HD-DVD manufacturing can go with dual layers (even though it's more complex) because it's been refined over the billions of DVDs manufactured to the point where yields are high, and despite complexity, cheap. Triple layer HD-DVD and dual-layer BDs aren't quite there yet.

Now, let's say HD-DVD implements regionalization. It's been a while since HD-DVD has been released - what's going to happen to the million players and discs? Are they going to be grandfathered as "regionfree" discs and players (since they are already, and people have taken advantage of it)? Or are they going to have to figure a way to put the region marks on every existing unit and disc out there? It's not an easy problem to solve, and the longer HD-DVD goes on, the harder it becomes. The DVD forum folks are extremely wary of breaking the existing market, too.

DRM isn't going away, but it's certainly possible to choose a format that offers less DRM than even DVD (yeah, DVD's cracked, but it's technically still DRM protected).

Re:Mass return of all BluRay players? (1)

dreamchaser (49529) | more than 6 years ago | (#22023894)

Most people won't even notice or care until they one day buy a disc that won't work in their player. The vast majority of consumers do not pay attention to this kind of news.

Too Early (1)

bill_mcgonigle (4333) | more than 6 years ago | (#22058546)

This is *exactly* friggin' why technology gets such a crappy reputation. Products not ready for mainstream are pushed out because marketing says its time.

It's OK, 99.44% of people who will eventually own a Blu-Ray player haven't even heard of it yet. By next Christmas, this should be sorted out and there might be a few $200 players for sale.

PC's go to HD-DVD, HD video to hdd, BluRay nowhere (2, Interesting)

gregconquest (962578) | more than 6 years ago | (#22022190)

Compatibility makes HD-DVD a natural PC component. There are no downsides. I wouldn't get a stand-alone player of any kind now. I'll stay with regular DVD and use my hard drive and HTPC for HD content for the next several years. However, in building a new PC, putting in an HD-DVD is becoming a nice option. You still have the ability to read and burn regular DVD+/-R's, and you can can burn a HD-DVD as well, though these will not be readable till HD-DVD replaces regular DVD on PC's.

Re:PC's go to HD-DVD, HD video to hdd, BluRay nowh (1)

jflo (1151079) | more than 6 years ago | (#22022390)

HD-DVD will never replace the DVD has a storage device on a computer, atleast not in the long term. A Blue Ray disc holds approximately 20 gigs more of data than an HD-DVD does. Until a DRM type anti-theft encoding measure can be agreed upon in the entertainment world so that small and portable solid state storage devices may be use to hold our beloved information, then Blue Ray wins hands down. If anything, give props to Sony for actually winning a battle for once.

Here's to you, Blu-Ray fanboys... (2, Insightful)

Enahs (1606) | more than 6 years ago | (#22022494)

Here's to you, Blu-Ray fanboys who said 'you knew what you were getting into' when some of us bought HD-DVD players...

"HA-HA!"

Looks like, as I predicted, we're all getting burned, and as usual, the real winners are the hardware manufacturers, who'll be able to sell you yet another player, and the studios, who get even harsher DRM than HD DVD had. The losers are the people who actually believed in a. the future-proof nature of Blu-Ray and b. the people who believed in HD DVD being standardized and cheaper, thus "better."

Oh, well. At least us early HD adopters know we got decent upscaling DVD players, right? LOL

At least the people who bought Toshiba units at Christmas time got Oppo-comparable quality at an Oppo-comparable price. Not that I'm trolling for flames or anything.

Maybe the real losers will be the studios, when people decide that they're still confused and see Blu constantly trashed in the press. It's a great format, don't get me wrong, but hearing stuff like this really does kill consumer confidence, and coming out with the format early just to fight off HD DVD, then having studios cut support for the finalized, cheaper format right as the price gets into interesting range, is, I predict, going to have the effect which Warner was seeking to avoid by dropping HD DVD.

Or maybe none of this will matter at all when the global economic depression hits.

Re:Here's to you, Blu-Ray fanboys... (1)

Vampyre_Dark (630787) | more than 6 years ago | (#22023626)

No one needs to buy a new anything. I did some reading on this last week at random, and all BD discs will have to support profile 1.0 on the main feature.

This is no different then DVDs that were evolving, and the old players were left in the dust. None of my early players could handle the advanced special features on my new discs 2 or 3 years into the DVD age, and I just didn't watch them until I got some new players down the line. There is usually a disclaimer on the box of discs with advanced features that says something along the lines of SPECIAL FEATURES MAY BE COMPATIBLE WITH ALL PLAYERS. Let's not forget that some early players also couldn't cope with dual layer discs, which are fairly common now.

I don't see how many people will even notice or care. I'm the only person I know (in real life) who actually enjoys watching all the extra content on my discs. Everyone else just completely ignores it. Which I don't understand, because that stuff is what makes me love the format.

Re:Here's to you, Blu-Ray fanboys... (1)

ToasterMonkey (467067) | more than 6 years ago | (#22026874)

Here's to you, Blu-Ray fanboys who said 'you knew what you were getting into' when some of us bought HD-DVD players...
You knew what you were getting into when you bought a HD-DVD player... now you're just pissed off it's not winning.

Looks like, as I predicted, we're all getting burned, and as usual, the real winners are the hardware manufacturers, who'll be able to sell you yet another player,
So, the customers would somehow "win" if HD-DVD were to succeed? *cough* BS *cough*
Oh, you meant HD-DVD customers are getting burned because it went the other way.

It's a win for hardware manufacturers in general, and nothing is stopping Toshiba from selling BD players when they're ready. There is ALWAYS another device to buy. DVD players got better, cheaper, disc changers, component output, ability to play non-DVDs, upscaling, integrated, standalone, and every combination of the above. How many people bought more than one device capable of playing DVDs in the last five years?

and the studios, who get even harsher DRM than HD DVD had. The losers are the people who actually believed in a. the future-proof nature of Blu-Ray and b. the people who believed in HD DVD being standardized and cheaper, thus "better."
Explain how one DRM is really "better" than the other please.
Losers? LOSERS? We WIN the format war, and we're LOSERS? Newer profile movies will PLAY in old players, they just won't have PiP, or internet enabled special features. Those who bought standalone BD players knew they didn't have those features when they bought them. Are they going to cry and upgrade already to get the PiP director's commentary?
Wow, cheaper==better for you, huh? Sorry, not everyone feels that way.

Maybe the real losers will be the studios, when people decide that they're still confused and see Blu constantly trashed...
... by a bunch of angry teenagers that bought Xbox HD-DVD add-ons? Sorry, blogs and Slashdot aren't the "press".

It's a great format, don't get me wrong, but hearing stuff like this really does kill consumer confidence,
Sure, if all the other consumers are idiots too. When they can't access the director's blog from the special features on their older players, I'm sure they will be very peeved, and demand a refund. When THAT happens, I'll invite you to my home to tell me "I told you so" in person.

and coming out with the format early just to fight off HD DVD,
What's wrong with that? I don't think you understand what exactly is different between the Blu-ray profiles. Why don't you look those up before even bothering to reply to this, please and thanks.

then having studios cut support for the finalized, cheaper format right as the price gets into interesting range, is, I predict, going to have the effect which Warner was seeking to avoid by dropping HD DVD.
Um... what would that be?

Or maybe none of this will matter at all when the global economic depression hits.
Sure.... ok.

Re:Here's to you, Blu-Ray fanboys... (1)

Enahs (1606) | more than 6 years ago | (#22061188)

So, the customers would somehow "win" if HD-DVD were to succeed? *cough* BS *cough*
Oh, you meant HD-DVD customers are getting burned because it went the other way.


Have you tried the things? Take most those features the early Blu players won't have, plus many of the interesting features you'll find in BD players this coming October, and you can purchase such a player at Amazon.com for a very low price.

I love how you managed to get a bitter rant out of arguing with someone who picked the "losing" format. Hey, I'm not bitter; more than likely, you'll see me happily watching movies on Blu-Ray. But it won't be until at least October.

Hell, when it came to DVD, my first dedicated player was 6 years ago. Seriously. I can wait for the bugs to be ironed out, and don't give me any bullshit arguments about how I can get "most" of the features and play the main feature; I don't want to spend $400+ on a crippled player! And no thank you, I'm not buying a 3rd-place gaming console at the same price just to have a future-proof BD player! And if it hadn't been for a freak accident, I wouldn't have "picked a side" on this. Now that I did, I question why HD DVD got buried so quick...but as a realist, I understand that even if there were a major jump in HD DVD disc sales starting tomorrow, Warner will still stop production in May, and everyone else will too, and I'll just have to be happy with the fact that my player is an awesome DVD player that also happens to play an obsolete format, and when cheaper and faster feature-complete BD players come out, I'll likely pick up one of those (unless both formats lose; remember, BOTH formats' sales suck, it's just that BD sucks less.)

Losers? LOSERS? We WIN the format war, and we're LOSERS? Newer profile movies will PLAY in old players, they just won't have PiP, or internet enabled special features. Those who bought standalone BD players knew they didn't have those features when they bought them. Are they going to cry and upgrade already to get the PiP director's commentary?
Wow, cheaper==better for you, huh? Sorry, not everyone feels that way.



OK. Someone shows you two cups of coffee. One is for $5, the other $50. The $5 cup of coffee is just plain, ordinary coffee that happens to be of a decent variety, roast, grind, etc. The $50 cup of coffee tastes identical but has added vitamins and minerals, plus the promise that if you're a regular customer, someday it may also extend your life. Which do you purchase?

As much as I'd like to choose the $50 cup of coffee, I must go with the more economical choice. Sorry, but those are the breaks. Not everyone is made of money, and I'd be willing to wager that most people who have movies at home and rent movies are in the same category as me: just because we have a bit of leisure time now and then doesn't mean we're on our yachts and in imminent danger of running out of monocle polish.

'Maybe the real losers will be the studios, when people decide that they're still confused and see Blu constantly trashed... ... by a bunch of angry teenagers that bought Xbox HD-DVD add-ons? Sorry, blogs and Slashdot aren't the "press".'

Care to tell me how you extrapolated the "press" from anything I said? No bullshit quotes as if you're quoting me, please.

"and coming out with the format early just to fight off HD DVD,
What's wrong with that? I don't think you understand what exactly is different between the Blu-ray profiles. Why don't you look those up before even bothering to reply to this, please and thanks."

I have, thank you, and as I said above, I don't wish to spend what is to me a lot of money for a crippled player. What's so hard to understand about that? Even if we never use the special features, why would we willingly purchase a crippled player when non-crippled players will be out in October? How many Joe Sixpacks are going to understand that you have to go to a website, download an ISO, burn it to CD, tand run that on their "DVD player" so they can watch Will Ferrell make smartass remarks in PiP?

I once took back a DVD player because it wouldn't play many of the special features in the LotR Fellowship Special Edition, and I know of others who have done the same. Is it really so inconceivable that the home viewer wants their player to do EVERYTHING the disc promises on the outside of the box???

Having worked in retail before, I can tell you that, yes, people expect to take their purchase home and have it work 100% or it's refund time. And if the player doesn't support it the player is "broken." For that reason alone I know I'll be recommending to people that they hold off on purchasing a player.

You BD fanboys are so funny. You make fun of us for picking the "wrong" format but defend the crippled-by-design nature of the format you chose. Everything that goes wrong is either the fault of the consumer or the fault of the mere (pre)existence of HD DVD. Have fun with that; my prediction is that in a year the DVD Forum will be going back to the drawing board, and Sony will be with them, and THEN we'll get our HD format, and ALL of us (3% of the movie-purchasing public) will have wasted our money. :->

And is it safe now? (1)

Graftweed (742763) | more than 6 years ago | (#22024436)

Asked if they were concerned about a backlash from early adopters who supported the format from the beginning, one representative said: 'They knew what they were getting into.'"

What about people who buy profile 2.0 players, do they know what they are getting themselves into? I'd be a bit cautious of buying hardware whose specification is controlled by people who have already shown they're not averse to making obsolete players that were bought less than a year ago.

To be clear: as I understand it the changes in profile 2.0 are at the hardware level, so no firmware upgrade will enable older players to be able to handle the features offered by profile 2.0 discs. The PS3 is presumably the exception since most operations it performs are software based thanks to having plenty of horse power to spare.

The skeptic in me can't help thinking that these "upgrades" will come at the rate of every couple of years or so to force people to buy new hardware.

Re:And is it safe now? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22026342)

What's obsolete? Have you actually read the profile specifications [highdefdigest.com] ?

You won't be able to use internet enabled special features, or PiP on early standalone BD players. Meanwhile, the bulk of BD player owners (PS3 owners) are set.

Woooopedy-doooo!

To be clear: as I understand it the changes in profile 2.0 are at the hardware level, so no firmware upgrade will enable older players to be able to handle the features offered by profile 2.0 discs. The PS3 is presumably the exception since most operations it performs are software based thanks to having plenty of horse power to spare.
Presumably, you don't have an f'ing clue. It's pretty clear what the changes are, read the specs. The PS3 already has a harddrive with 1Gb+ storage, and internet connectivity, so it's capable of profile 2.0.

The skeptic in me can't help thinking that these "upgrades" will come at the rate of every couple of years or so to force people to buy new hardware.
No, bad idiot. Go to your room.

Where do all you fucktards come from? Go read the damned Blu-ray wiki, shit for brains.

WalMart, PostChristmas Sale and BluRay (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22025548)

The local WalMart has a stack of BluRay media in a prominent location with leading movies on at a very good price. The stack is neat, tidy and hardly touched. Asked a checkout person in the electronics area how sales were. She said she has seen them but personally has not sold one since before Christmas.

Or as one potential sale said "BluRay must be some kind of game system"

Still waiting for the critical mass of buyers I guess.

Blu-Ray: Benefits? (1)

pcsourcepoint (1218402) | more than 6 years ago | (#22027334)

Maybe the public needs to be convinced how significant Blu-ray is compared to dvd format; Possibly the dvd format itself, or dvd players (and components) could be improved to produce quality and other benefits comparable to any perceived value of the Blu-Ray format...

Betanews article is FUD 1.1 discs play on 1.0 (1)

aristotle-dude (626586) | more than 6 years ago | (#22040866)

I have tested a Profile 1.1 title on a Profile 1.0 blu-ray player (PS3 prior to 2.10 firmware update) and it played back fine. The menu gracefully omitted the 1.1 profile features and playback of the main feature was not affected. Once I upgraded to 2.10, the 1.1 profile features were available.

As for region codes, the lack of region codes on the HD DVD delayed several New Line releases for HD DVD behind the DVD and blu-ray release because HD DVD lacked region locking. None of that matters now that New Line is Blu-ray exclusive. I have over 80 titles in my blu-ray collection that are region free. Feel free to google for "region free blu-ray".

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