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Apple Announces MacBook Air

kdawson posted more than 6 years ago | from the thin-end-of-the-wedge dept.

Portables (Apple) 1218

Apple made four announcements at MacWorld Expo: the new MacBook Air, new features for the iPhone and iPod Touch, and movie rentals via iTunes from a TV without a computer involved. The new portable gets most of the attention. It is 0.76" thick at the thickest part, tapering to 0.16". It weighs 3 pounds and has a 13.3" screen and full-size, backlit keyboard. Its Intel chip is the diameter of a dime and the thickness of a nickel. The MacBook Air will cost $1799 and up. Its storage is either 80 GB disk or 64 GB solid-state drive. 2 GB of memory. It has no optical drive (an external one is available for $99) and features a way to wirelessly use the optical drive of any nearby Mac or PC with the proper software installed.

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1218 comments

But.... (5, Funny)

bherman (531936) | more than 6 years ago | (#22054192)

does it blend?

Re:But.... (3, Funny)

flitty (981864) | more than 6 years ago | (#22054348)

Buy me one, Mail it to me in a Manilla envelope, and i'll "find out" for you.

Re:But.... (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22054402)

will it blend

Re:But.... (5, Funny)

worryrock07 (1220392) | more than 6 years ago | (#22054666)

Air smoke. Don't breathe this.

Re:But.... (1)

PrescriptionWarning (932687) | more than 6 years ago | (#22054680)

maybe.. but it'll certainly bend. I'm just wondering how much force is needed to snap the LCD off from the base, as constant abuse can wear down the top portion of a laptop and one day just goes SNAP

Expensive (0, Troll)

Ikipou (1193603) | more than 6 years ago | (#22054210)

Sooooooooooo expensive.

Re:Expensive (2, Funny)

tuxic (769908) | more than 6 years ago | (#22054400)

Good things cost money. Deal with it ;-)
(+3 Funny anyone?)

Re:Expensive (0)

Jeremiah Cornelius (137) | more than 6 years ago | (#22054422)

I think I'll still get one.

Re:Expensive (5, Insightful)

NetJunkie (56134) | more than 6 years ago | (#22054424)

Just because it costs a lot doesn't mean it's overpriced. It's a deal compared to comparable Sony models with less power and aren't as thin.

Re:Expensive (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22054466)

That's not the half of it. If you decide to go with the flash disc (SSD), you'll have pony up over 3000 smackers.

How expensive is it? (3, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22054494)

Can you link to something cheaper with a competitive hardware spec? Please do not link to anything physically larger, as size is the primary discriminator in its class. I went looking for a Vaio to price against it but couldn't find anything in its class. HP, Dell, and Lenovo all fell short as well. Before saying it's more expensive than its competition, please actually tell us what its competition IS, keeping in mind that to compete, you have to compete on form factor first.

Re:Expensive (4, Informative)

MightyYar (622222) | more than 6 years ago | (#22054574)

You serious? Have you priced out its competition? The closest is probably the Vaio, and it is more expensive. The Dell XPS is cheaper, but is bigger and heavier.

A grand for a 64G SSD drive? (5, Informative)

(H)elix1 (231155) | more than 6 years ago | (#22054228)

From the apple site...

Hard Drive

Your MacBook Air comes standard with a Parallel ATA (PATA) 4200-rpm hard drive. Or you can choose a solid-state drive that delivers faster performance and greater durability.
arrow_open.gif arrow_closed.gif Learn more Loading...

80GB Parallel ATA Drive @ 4200 rpm
64GB Solid State Drive [Add $999]

Wow. Just Wow. Transcript from http://www.macrumorslive.com/ [macrumorslive.com]

10:26 am New Ad for MacBook Air. Plays off of the ability to fit in an envelope.
10:25 am Pre-orders today, shipping in two weeks
10:24 am $1799
10:24 am 2 GB Memory standard
10:23 am 5 hours of Battery Life
10:23 am No optical drive, but a Superdrive accessory is available for $99. Also, software comes with the MacBook Air that allows you to "borrow" a Mac or PCs optical drive.
10:21 am 802.11n + Bluetooth 2.1/EDR
10:20 am Other features: 45 Watt MagSafe, 1 USB 2.0 port, Micro-DVI, Audio Out
10:19 am Steve retaking stage
10:19 am Otellini: The processor is as thick as a nickle and as wide as a dime.
10:18 am Apple asked Intel to shrink the Core 2 Duo. Intel shrunk the processor by 60%. Paul Otellini, CEO of Intel is taking the stage
10:17 am 1.6 GHz Standard, 1.8 GHz Option -- Intel Core 2 Duo
10:16 am 80 GB hard disk standard, 64 GB SSD as an option. "they're pricy, but they're fast"
10:15 am 1.8" Hard Drive
10:15 am How did we fit a Mac in here?
10:15 am Move a window by double-tap and move. Rotate a photo by pivoting your index finger around your thumb. Of course, pinch-zoom.
10:14 am Multi-touch trackpad
10:13 am display is LED backlit. iSight is built-in. MacBook-like keyboard, but with an ambient light sensor
10:12 am Magnetic latch, 13.3" widescreen display
10:12 am MacBook Air is 0.16" to 0.76". The thickest part of the MacBook Air is thinner than the thinnest part of the Sony. It fits inside a envelope
10:10 am We thought 3 lbs is a good target weight, but there was too much compromise with the other features
10:10 am Most people think of Sony TZ series when they think of thin notebooks. Competition specs: 3 lbs, .8-1.2 inches, 11 or 12" display, miniature keyboard, and slower processor.
10:08 am "The World's Thinnest Notebook"
10:08 am As you know, Apple makes the best notebooks in the industry. Today, we are introducing a third kind of notebook. It's called the MacBook Air
10:08 am 4th thing: There's something in the air
10:07 am Steve has re-taken the stage

Re:A grand for a 64G SSD drive? (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22054334)

Re:A grand for a 64G SSD drive? (5, Funny)

Otter Escaping North (945051) | more than 6 years ago | (#22054350)

64GB Solid State Drive [Add $999]

You think that's bad? Wait till you see the price difference when they offer it in black.

Wot no optical drive? (5, Funny)

Bertie (87778) | more than 6 years ago | (#22054232)

But how am I going to watch movies?

What's that? I can rent them from Apple, you say? What a coincidence!

Remember, kids, it's not lock-in, it's Steve Jobs holding you nice and safe in his loving arms...

Re:Wot no optical drive? (5, Funny)

MoneyT (548795) | more than 6 years ago | (#22054310)

Your movies aren't already ripped into 20 different formats and stored on your in home wireless server? Then what the hell are you doing playing on slashdot, get moving man!

Re:Wot no optical drive? (4, Insightful)

Llywelyn (531070) | more than 6 years ago | (#22054346)

Or you can buy them from Apple, download them from other sources, or rip them from your own DVDs.

How is this related to lock-in again?

Re:Wot no optical drive? (3, Insightful)

jonnythan (79727) | more than 6 years ago | (#22054472)

Well, it's illegal to rip DVDs.... and you won't be able to rent a DVD at the downstairs Blockbuster when your hotel's internet connection gets you a lovely 75 KB/s.

Re:Wot no optical drive? (1)

MightyYar (622222) | more than 6 years ago | (#22054708)

Well, it's illegal to rip DVDs....
It's illegal to speed, too. Most of us ignore stupid laws. I copy DVDs and go just under 10 over the limit.

Re:Wot no optical drive? (1)

dloose (900754) | more than 6 years ago | (#22054364)

Where's the lock-in? You can watch any movie you want on this machine. You can rent and watch iTunes movies on any machine that can run iTunes. Seems like a stretch to call this lock-in.

Re:Wot no optical drive? (2, Interesting)

RedSteve (690399) | more than 6 years ago | (#22054476)

Lock-in?

Seriously?

How is it lock-in?

As far as I can tell, Apple still sells plenty of laptops with optical drives. They even sell one as an accessory for this machine.

The fact you are gleefully glossing over this fact in your hurry to paint this one item as a lock-in tool is that this is a subnotebook -- meaning that it doesn't have all of the features that you might expect from a regular laptop in order to meet a number of design goals. If your design goals are small form factor and extended battery life, what are the first things you sacrifice? Bulky, power-consuming electronics like a DVD drive.

But don't let me get in the way of your lock-in rage...

Re:Wot no optical drive? (1)

timster (32400) | more than 6 years ago | (#22054674)

If anything, his comment demonstrates how far people will go to paint Apple as the new Microsoft. As if Microsoft weren't still around and up to the same dirty tricks as always.

But hey, they made a game console that's pretty good (at least when it works), so now they must be a great bunch of people. And all corporations have the exact same ethical standards by law, right? Right?

Re:Wot no optical drive? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22054498)

1) Buy the optical drive - this is routine on ultra small laptops by any manufacturer.

2) Rip them on another system or download via bittorrent. (We all know slashdotters dont buy MPAA or RIAA junk)

3) Use the remote drive software

Re:Wot no optical drive? (1, Flamebait)

David Rolfe (38) | more than 6 years ago | (#22054590)

It's funny, but also a troll! Touché!

If renting is too scary (the 24 hour lock-in!!), you could buy the intended optical drive for $99 -- or save a couple hundred bucks and carry around a two-pound-heavier, faster, thicker Macbook. Sheesh.

Of course I know you're being facetious, as you undoubtably rip and transcode your DVDs for travel because you're too lazy to carry around all that extra plastic. You might even be one of those types that 'backs up' movies you rent from Blockbuster and/or Netflix, you know to prevent the lock-in of needing a membership.

Re:Wot no optical drive? (2, Insightful)

cashman73 (855518) | more than 6 years ago | (#22054772)

Forget the movies! How am I going to install Duke Nukem Forever?!?! Or does DNF come preinstalled on this thing?

Re:Wot no optical drive? (1)

xtracto (837672) | more than 6 years ago | (#22054810)

Yeah, and also darn Negroponte, locking in the latin american market ...

1. Give away laptops without CD/DVD drive to third world kids
2. ???
3. Profit

For the love of god, CD/DVD is just a device, this specific laptop does not have it. Or do you fill locked in because your washing machine does not comes with a cavity magnetron to heat your food? Not that this computer wont have USB so you will be able to plug any external DVD drive in it...

"Integrated Battery" (3, Interesting)

rockmuelle (575982) | more than 6 years ago | (#22054234)

(from tech specs page on apple.com)

"Integrated 37-watt-hour lithium-polymer battery"

Are they serious? No way to swap out a battery halfway through a 10 hour flight? No way to take it out at security check points (or if it catches fire)?

Please tell me I'm misinterpreting that phrase. Want to buy one now, but that's a deal breaker. Argh!!!

-Chris

Re:"Integrated Battery" (1, Interesting)

stewbacca (1033764) | more than 6 years ago | (#22054332)

It hasn't been an issue (for most people) on the existing Macbook models, so what's the fuss now? Last trans-Atlantic flight I was on (December) had electrical outlets in the seats (even in coach).

Re:"Integrated Battery" (1)

rockmuelle (575982) | more than 6 years ago | (#22054492)

I have currently have a black MacBook and two batteries. I don't leave home w/o them both fully charged and usually go through them both over the course of a day of travel. I fly all the time and it's still rare to find working outlets (at least on US flights).

-Chris

Re:"Integrated Battery" (4, Insightful)

feranick (858651) | more than 6 years ago | (#22054534)

What happens if your battery goes dead? You throw away the all thing? You pay for expensive service to install a new one? For many people swapping batteries are just a way to keep going with their work.

Re:"Integrated Battery" (5, Insightful)

0100010001010011 (652467) | more than 6 years ago | (#22054428)

Then get a MacBook. Sorry but you are not going to fit it into that form factor.

"Wah Wah Wah, I want a replaceable battery in the iPod."
Get a Nomad. Some companies even have players which take AAs.
"But they're not tiny like an iPod".

Compare a AA to an iPod... there's no way you're going to get it into that form factor.

Go take the battery out of your laptop. Notice all the extra plastic around the battery. And then the laptop has to have plastic where the battery sits. So you're already essentially doubling the case thickness.

Do you want a laptop that is 0.16" to 0.76" thick? Go grab a ruler and put that in perspective. There is no way in hell you're going to do that with a standard external battery.

 

Re:"Integrated Battery" (1)

EastCoastSurfer (310758) | more than 6 years ago | (#22054706)

The non-replaceable battery kills it for a lot of business people. Then I start to wonder who (other than the apple fanboys) will spend 2k-3k for a poor performing laptop w/o the luxury of having work pay for it? The air will remain a niche product.

Re:"Integrated Battery" (2, Insightful)

DrXym (126579) | more than 6 years ago | (#22054470)

Please tell me I'm misinterpreting that phrase. Want to buy one now, but that's a deal breaker. Argh!!!

Wouldn't surprise me if true. Apple have discovered that if they seal the battery in, make it incredibly expensive and inconvenient to replace it, that people throw away an otherwise functional device and buy a new one. Sad but true.

Re:"Integrated Battery" (2, Interesting)

neapolitan (1100101) | more than 6 years ago | (#22054562)

Agreed -- definite deal breaker for me as well. The battery is ALWAYS the first thing that dies in my laptop -- I would like it to be a $40 replacement part, not something that I need a screwdriver for, or (even worse) mail my machine back to Apple.

I have never gotten more than a hundred charges or so from my battery without noticing definite decrease in capacity -- these are not deep charges, and if you use the battery every day, that is quite a few replacements over the life of the machine...

Re:"Integrated Battery" (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22054572)

Haha, looks like you're getting a Dell!
bummer dude..

Re:"Integrated Battery" (0, Flamebait)

dmccarty (152630) | more than 6 years ago | (#22054782)

Someone mod parent up...hilarious!

Re:"Integrated Battery" (5, Informative)

Dixie_Flatline (5077) | more than 6 years ago | (#22054600)

There's a $50 (CDN) adaptor for airline power. If you're on a flight, just plug in. And it's cheaper than an extra battery.

Looks good, but... (1)

Atti K. (1169503) | more than 6 years ago | (#22054252)

They could have also dropped the price of the regular macbook...

They DO make nice products... (1)

Predathar (658076) | more than 6 years ago | (#22054258)

But not for me. I don't like their prices, some items lack features (Apple TV needs Xvid/DivX support) and they are too lawyer happy for me.

But I have to admit, they make very nice products (Macbooks, ipod touch, their 30 inch screen)

Re:They DO make nice products... (1)

MoneyT (548795) | more than 6 years ago | (#22054414)

The prices do seem to be roughly in line with similar computers. The comparison made at the keynote was to the Sony TZ series.

Re:They DO make nice products... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22054510)

(Apple TV needs Xvid/DivX support)
Why? Xvid/DivX doesn't even come close to h264/x264. I can encode to x264 at 1024 and it looks better than Xvid at 2048 (both two pass). Clearer, no blockiness, etc.

Re:They DO make nice products... (1)

Applekid (993327) | more than 6 years ago | (#22054524)

(Apple TV needs Xvid/DivX support)
Might want to check out the upcoming Archos TV+. It's basically an Apple TV plus ethernet, classic composite output, composite + component inputs, Xvid/DivX support, web-on-TV, remote with a QWERTY keypad.

Movie Rentals? (5, Interesting)

0100010001010011 (652467) | more than 6 years ago | (#22054262)

I thought this was a pretty big part of todays Keynote:

Touchstone, Miramax, MGM, Lionsgate, Newline, FOX, WB, Disney, Paramount, Universal, Sony all on board.
Library titles: $2.99,
New Releases: $3.99,
HD rentals are $4.99.

Rules: 30 days to start watching. 24 hours to finish
Watch anywhere (Macs, PCs, all current iPods and iPhone

Thanks MacRumors.

Re:Movie Rentals? (1)

Lumpmoose (697966) | more than 6 years ago | (#22054540)

Nifty, but one part that bugged me was his earlier line (c/o Engadget):

"I'd like to say all of us have tried. We have, MSFT, Amazon, TiVo, VuDu, Netflix, Blockbuster -- we've all tried to figure out how to get movies over the net onto the TV. We've ALL missed. No one's succeeded yet."

He mentions Microsoft as one of the failures, but Apple's new service is almost identical to the Xbox Live Marketplace, which has been working great for over a year. Similar studio support, HD, 5.1... the only Apple advantages are DRM'd portability and 30 days before expiration instead of 14.

Re:Movie Rentals? (2, Insightful)

truthsearch (249536) | more than 6 years ago | (#22054722)

When he says "succeeded" he means popular and profitable. Available != Succeeded. How popular and profitable are XBox Live Marketplace movie rentals? This is the first time I've heard of them, if that's any indication.

Re:Movie Rentals? (1)

DrXym (126579) | more than 6 years ago | (#22054700)

Apple will just be one of many providers of rental content. I don't see anything compelling in what they're offering and most likely other providers will offer rentals at exactly the same price.

Solid state drive? (0, Flamebait)

AltGrendel (175092) | more than 6 years ago | (#22054284)

Not sure I'd trust one of those just now. No one is really talking about MTBF and I've heard that eventually they turn into a Read Only device.

Re:Solid state drive? (1)

oahazmatt (868057) | more than 6 years ago | (#22054382)

Not sure I'd trust one of those just now. No one is really talking about MTBF and I've heard that eventually they turn into a Read Only device.
Don't worry, I'll bet they go Quantum Optical [atomchip.com] soon enough.

Re:Solid state drive? (5, Informative)

Albanach (527650) | more than 6 years ago | (#22054538)

Not sure I'd trust one of those just now. No one is really talking about MTBF and I've heard that eventually they turn into a Read Only device.
I thought everyone was [engadget.com] talking about SSD drives MTBF? 2 Million hours seems pretty good to me. 200+ Years really ought to be Enough For Anybody[tm].

Seriously, they have no moving parts - which do you think will fail first? The manufacturers have been working on the limited write capacity for years such that they believe it's no longer an issue. Modern flash memory can already silently correct for any parts that can no longer be written.

Now all we need is for production to ramp up and the cost to come down.

Hot Air (1, Funny)

Philotic (957984) | more than 6 years ago | (#22054298)

While the Macbook Air does not come with an optical drive, it does come with a canister of compressed breath of Steve.

Oh hell (-1, Offtopic)

sm62704 (957197) | more than 6 years ago | (#22054300)

And here in this other thread [slashdot.org] I just told someone they were stealing air by breathing. It now looks like you can steal air, and the air ain't cheap. Almost two grand?

Not wanting to RTFA, why is it called "air"? And why is wifi called wifi?

I'm underwhelmed (2, Insightful)

myawn (562028) | more than 6 years ago | (#22054302)

I just don't share Steve's obsession with thin.

I'm not willing to sacrifice processor speed, memory, disk drive space, and optical capability so that I can fit my laptop into an interoffice envelope.

I feel the same way about the iPhone -- with 16GB storage, it is in no way a replacement for my current iPod. But I suspect if he'd been willing to accept 1/16 of an inch increased thickness, we could be looking at 32GB or 64GB, and then you've got me as a customer.

Re:I'm underwhelmed (5, Insightful)

Llywelyn (531070) | more than 6 years ago | (#22054448)

If you are not willing to accept those tradeoffs then you are not the target market for the MacBook Air. Might I suggest a MacBook or a MacBook Pro?

Re:I'm underwhelmed (1)

myawn (562028) | more than 6 years ago | (#22054688)

100% agree. If Steve had announced a MacBook Pro with Penryn, I'd be at the Apple store now rather than whining on Slashdot.

Re:I'm underwhelmed (4, Funny)

oahazmatt (868057) | more than 6 years ago | (#22054474)

I just don't share Steve's obsession with thin.
Thin? I'm just happy he appears to be over that whole "cube" fetish. I was worried we were two years away from an iBook the size of a milk crate.

Re:I'm underwhelmed (1)

Joe The Dragon (967727) | more than 6 years ago | (#22054504)

thin laptops are also a lot easier to steal and at that size all you need is a envelope.

Re:I'm underwhelmed (1)

paanta (640245) | more than 6 years ago | (#22054744)

This is essentially perfect if what you want is to do light computing, and the compromises seem acceptable. So you rip your DVDs and don't load it down with media that've already gotten bored with. Big deal. It's not a desktop replacement like a macbook pro, but I'd carry something like this pretty much everywhere while the MBP mostly stays at home or goes with me when I travel/need to do a presentation. A mac this light would be very tempting if I had a little more disposable income. I walk 3 or 4 miles a day, every day, and so I'm not real keen on schlepping a big laptop with me to work and back...but something dumbed down like an Asus Eee doesn't quite cut it, although for 1/5 the price it's awfully tempting. I suspect many city-dwelling non-car commuters will feel the same, although maybe not so many that this is more than a niche product.

Re:I'm underwhelmed (1)

ContractualObligatio (850987) | more than 6 years ago | (#22054770)

Wow. The primary product feature is "thin", you don't care about thin, and you're not buying one. I wonder how long Apple are going to try to persuade other "I'm not even interested in that kind of notebook" customers to buy one?

I'm posting this because I've had a shitty day and and take pathetic pleasure in mindless sarcasm. What's your excuse?

Re:I'm underwhelmed (5, Informative)

timster (32400) | more than 6 years ago | (#22054812)

I feel the same way about the iPhone -- with 16GB storage, it is in no way a replacement for my current iPod. But I suspect if he'd been willing to accept 1/16 of an inch increased thickness, we could be looking at 32GB or 64GB, and then you've got me as a customer.

No way. The iPhone (which is 8GB max) uses flash and has zero space left inside. If you're talking 32GB flash, you're adding hundreds of dollars to an already hefty price to get that much flash, and you'd still possibly need to slim down the battery to make more space for flash chips (the thing is seriously packed inside). And a 32GB hard drive like the one in the current iPods wouldn't fit in 1/16 of an inch.

13.3" Display (1)

jo42 (227475) | more than 6 years ago | (#22054304)

Is it a cheap-arse 6-bit per RGB (256K color) or a proper 8-bit per RGB (16M color) display panel?

"millions of colors" (1)

alispguru (72689) | more than 6 years ago | (#22054576)

From the tech specs page:

13.3-inch (diagonal) glossy widescreen TFT LED backlit display with support for millions of colors

so I suppose it could be a 7-bit panel...

Re:13.3" Display (2)

gnasher719 (869701) | more than 6 years ago | (#22054578)

Is it a cheap-arse 6-bit per RGB (256K color) or a proper 8-bit per RGB (16M color) display panel?
Could you see the difference?

Durability & EEE (2, Interesting)

Kyokushi (1164377) | more than 6 years ago | (#22054312)

I wonder how durable that thing is.... put that in a bag and drop it, see how it compares to the macbooks and thinkpads.
Also why nobody mentioned the EEE pc yet? though the similarity seems to end at portability....

the price, probably (2, Insightful)

CdBee (742846) | more than 6 years ago | (#22054604)

You can get 4 eee PCs for the price of this thing, in fact you can probably get 3 into its footprint. I was hoping they would properly challenge Sony and Dell's subnotebooks with a 10-inch screen device. Thinness is less important than width to me

Its just thinner - firewire officially dead (1)

acomj (20611) | more than 6 years ago | (#22054318)

Er.. I like apple stuff, and this is nice, but...

As someone who totes a camera and laptop when travelling with the 13 inch macbook, drive space is usefull to us. I miss the portability of my old 12" g3. They just made it thinner which won't help on airplanes etc.

I have an OLPC, and I kinda like the mini size. Maybe thats too mini but....

Also no firewire means all those mac users who tote portable firewire drives for photos are going to have to switch to USB. No Firewire input from video cameras either.

It pretty though..

specs here

http://www.apple.com/macbookair/features.html [apple.com]

http://www.apple.com/macbookair/features.html [apple.com]

Re:Its just thinner - firewire officially dead (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22054452)

I'm wondering if the lack of firewire has to do with the fact that Apple only uses the larger (powered) firewire port on their products instead of the smaller (unpowered) one. Did they feel it was better to omit it completely than to have one system go against the grain and use the smaller connector?

Re:Its just thinner - firewire officially dead (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22054580)

Umm Apple did bring out a wireless HD to combat the lack of Firewire dude.

MacBook Pro (1)

hotsauce (514237) | more than 6 years ago | (#22054712)

All that's true, which just means you're not the target market for that machine. I think they want to sell you the Pro.

No new monitors (1)

guzi (184443) | more than 6 years ago | (#22054328)

What a pity!

Gigantic Trackpad (1)

hotsauce (514237) | more than 6 years ago | (#22054330)

How are they going to prevent accidental input on that gigantic trackpad?

That SSD one looks very sweet though.

Time Capsule (2, Insightful)

hotsauce (514237) | more than 6 years ago | (#22054446)

BTW, I think Time Capsule is as important as the Air announcement. Can't get anyone to back up. But since it's also a wireless hub, and Time Machine autoconnects, people will actually start backing up while barely meaning to.

Re:Time Capsule (1)

Fear the Clam (230933) | more than 6 years ago | (#22054686)

I hope Time Capsule means that Time Machine will be updated to work with other network servers.

Compared to the MacBook: (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22054336)

Compared to the MacBook:

+ Thinner
+ Lighter
+ Multitouch trackpad
+ Backlit keyboard
+ LED display
+/- Height and width are identical
+/- GPU is identical
- more expensive
- slower CPU
- sucky 1.8" HD or expensive SSD
- optical drive is optional external extra
- 1 x USB, 1 x analog audio out, 0 x ethernet, 0 x firewire
- less battery life

xbox 360 (0, Flamebait)

snamd (1137659) | more than 6 years ago | (#22054358)

Wow... the ability to rent movies and TV in HD and watch them without a computer... sounds like apple tv is almost where the xbox 360 is.

Re:xbox 360 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22054530)

Almost?

I think they've just blown it away. Apple TV is smaller, cheaper, more storage for you dollar, quieter, similar priced rentals, but cheaper for HD, what else?

Re:xbox 360 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22054726)

Duuuuh. You can't play Halo 3 on the AppleTV, can you?

holy crap (1)

TheSpengo (1148351) | more than 6 years ago | (#22054362)

That is insane! I need to get me one of those. :o

The Will Smith Reply... (1)

tpconcannon (619066) | more than 6 years ago | (#22054372)

I feel like I'm gonna break this damn thing! I wonder how long it will be until someone snaps one of those Airs in half?

Apple releases MacBook Air (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22054384)

No optical drive. Smaller hard drive than a VAIO. Lame.

Short on Options! (5, Interesting)

qwertphobia (825473) | more than 6 years ago | (#22054396)

So, somebody's going to buy one, and when they foobar their OS and drop it off at the helpdesk, how do we fix it?

  • No Firewire - can't boot target mode!
  • No Optical Drive - can't boot from DVD!
  • No Ethernet - can't net-boot!

Yes, there is USB, so we'lll need to keep a few USB CD-Rom drives around for these things. >p>ah well, it looks real nice.

Re:Short on Options! (5, Informative)

Ant2 (252143) | more than 6 years ago | (#22054676)

But! You can use "Remote Disk" to access the optical drive of a nearby Mac or PC running a little Remote Disk client. Yes, you can even reinstall the OS this way. http://www.apple.com/macbookair/wireless.html [apple.com]

Re:Short on Options! (2, Insightful)

guruevi (827432) | more than 6 years ago | (#22054802)

You can buy an external optical drive or as the keynote mentioned: you can use a remote disk drive (over wireless) to boot/re-install your Air. That last thing is a really nice feature and I hope it gets extended to other devices as well, too much mucking around and loops to get something to boot how you want it ever since BIOS (and thus it's DOS-like hooks and limitations) came out in the 80's. The EFI firmware allows for such extensions and Apple is really using it well here.

Sweet. (4, Funny)

Rob T Firefly (844560) | more than 6 years ago | (#22054404)

and features a way to wirelessly use the optical drive of any nearby Mac or PC with the proper software installed.
And here I was thinking wardriving, bluejacking, and so on was just starting to get boring. Off to the coffee shop to watch some DVDs! I hope someone's got "The Simpsons" loaded in...

Caught in the Crosshairs (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22054432)

Caught in the Crosshairs (mf, reluc, blackmail)

I turned and went through the small hallway toward the Oval Office and President Clinton followed closely behind me. When I turned around at the end of the small hallway, he was right next to me. He expressed regret for my situation and gave me a big hug, but his hug lasted a little too long. I pulled back. All of a sudden, he was running his hands in my hair and around the back of my neck.

What the hell?

He kissed me on my mouth and, before I knew it, I was backed up in the corner, against the closed bathroom door and the wall behind the Oval Office. The president's hands were all over me, just all over me. And all I could think was, What the hell is he doing? Just what is he doing?

I tried to twist away. He was too powerful. President Clinton is almost a foot taller than I am and nearly double my weight. I couldn't get away and could barely think. I didn't know what I was supposed to do. He was my friend. And he was the president of the United States.

I finally managed to say, "What are you doing?"

"I've wanted to do this," he said, "since the first time I laid eyes on you."

What?

I was terrified for my husband, for my family, for our future, and the president says he's wanted to do this since he laid eyes on me? I was totally unprepared for that.

Then he took my hand. I didn't understand what he was doing. The president put my hand on his genitals, on his erect penis. I was shocked! I yanked my hand away but he was forceful. He ran his hands all over me, touching me everywhere, up my skirt, over my blouse, my breasts. He pressed up against me and kissed me. I didn't know what to do. I could slap him or yell for help. My mind raced. And the only thing I noticed was that his face had turned red, literally beet red....

In a different setting, with a different man, I probably would have yelled for help. Were it not for Andrew Friendly banging on the door and Bentsen and Panetta pacing outside, I would have felt more vulnerable. Indeed, I would have been more vulnerable. Had he the opportunity--the time and privacy--I believe Clinton would have raped me that day, just as, I believe, he raped Juanita Broaddrick.

As it was, he violated me. He exploited me and betrayed my trust, but he did not injure me. More than all that, I thought My God, this is the president of the United States, and this is the way he acts in the Oval Office? It conveys my heritage and upbringing that the main thing on my mind was that what he had done to me was just not proper . The man disgraced himself. He was humiliated in my eyes. I was truly embarrassed for him....

As I reached the door to the reception area, I turned to President Clinton and said, "Thank you for taking the time to see me, Mr. President." Apparently, part of me still respected the presidency, if not the president, and propriety, if not the person. Stunned, I was polite to the last and, to my horror, those words tumbled out of my mouth. Thank you for taking the time to see me? Thank you for taking the time to assault me when I cam to you in despair?

My heart was pounding. Thoughts raced through my head about what he'd done. The stories and rumors I'd heard came flooding in. I'd never believed those stories before, but now I had to process all of it over again, rethink it all. This is really the truth here. This is what he does.

No FireWire?! (3, Interesting)

alispguru (72689) | more than 6 years ago | (#22054434)

Just a USB2. FireWire target mode has saved my butt so many times, I would really hate to give it up, especially on a portable machine.

Although, you probably don't need it as much if you have that $1000 solid state disk...

Re:No FireWire?! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22054508)

WOW! STEVE JOBS has invented the Sony Vaio TX! Except Sony managed to put an optical drive in the same 3 pound computer! Steve Jobs will Invent that next year!

Or... (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22054484)

...you could just buy an ASUS Eee PC for 10% of the price, which whilst not as powerful would still be capable of doing everything you'd do on a sub-notebook anyway i.e. office, music, video, web.

For some reason I thought when Apple release a sub-notebook that it might be something within a reasonable price range (i.e. less than the MacBooks), god only knows what made me think that.

I was going to check the UK pricing but all I get when jumping to the UK Apple site is a 500 internal server error, the US version of the site is just unusably slow.

I know these type of announcements are going to put a lot of strain on a site, but I don't remember any other large tech. companies suffering such an outage.

A few thoughts (2, Insightful)

proxima (165692) | more than 6 years ago | (#22054532)

This laptop is too small and feature-limited to make a reasonable primary computer for many people, I think. Consider:

1.) No wired ethernet. I don't know if I've seen a recent laptop without wired ethernet. Apple is pushing bluetooth and 802.11* hard. That brings me to

2.) 1 USB port. Seriously? You can have wired ethernet OR a superdrive OR any of a huge number of wired devices, until you end up getting one of those tiny and somewhat annoying USB hubs which don't seem to be as reliable as having multiple USB ports.

3.) 1.8" 80G hard drive. This is the hard drive they use in iPod classics. It's 4200RPM, and it's small by modern laptop standards. The only upgrade option is $1000 for the solid state drive. Why aren't they offering the 160G iPod drive?

4.) Micro-DVI: Unlike the Macbooks, they actually stick a few of these adapters in the package.

It just seems like they tried too hard to go all out for thinness (and with the case design, it's still 3lb like a lot of subnotebooks). One option I thought would make it a lot more attractive would be built-in ripping of DVDs into iTunes. That way it could still function as a useful movie player on the road. Instead, we get an announcement that some distributors (like Fox) will be including iTunes files on new DVDs. No thanks.

There's probably a market niche for this product, but I don't think it's as big as the one for the 12" Powerbook G4. I'm still waiting for a suitable replacement in that category.

Eh - too many compromises (1)

FroBugg (24957) | more than 6 years ago | (#22054564)

$1,000 to upgrade to the SSD
No optical drive
No ethernet
Just one USB port
No audio-in port, but built-in mic
Probably runs hotter than hell

It's pretty, sure, but the regular Macbook is already just a hair over an inch thick and has the exact same size otherwise, with more power and connectivity for cheaper.

For That Price (5, Funny)

N8F8 (4562) | more than 6 years ago | (#22054642)

It better include a iHandjob!

Open Apple (1)

TriNitroToluene.gt (929151) | more than 6 years ago | (#22054648)

Has anyone else noticed that they've gotten rid of the 'Open Apple' symbol from the keyboard on the Macbook Air? It's been replaced by command...what's that about?

Design? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22054690)

What do other people think about its design? My first impression was that Air is not very good looking, it looks tacky and closer to a generic sub-notebook. Elements of clean industrial design are missing - perhaps worst offenders being:

1. Case design - odd uneven shape is jarring
2. Magsafe connector - looks really bad - I swear I saw the plastic trim on it
3. Flipdown USB port - just really really ugly.

Consumer product? (1)

fermion (181285) | more than 6 years ago | (#22054692)

The lack of a firewire port make me wonder if this is a pro or consumer product. The price is pro, but the features is a consumer machine. OTOH, this may be just another indication that Apple is dropping firewire, which is sad as there are advantages.

I also wonder how good a price of $1000 is for a 64GB solid state drive. Typically, Apple sells memory at a 200-300% markup over average maket price. The SSD, along with the fast processor, is why the full configured machine is well over $3000.

Overall, I like the machine. It projection is a little bigge than the 12", 2" in one dimension, but I guess 13" screens are in. Nothing we can do about that. If 2 gigs are the most it can handle, that could be a problem as well.

Ultimately, the question is which market it is for. If it is an expensive consumer machine, with consumer features, it is too expensive. If it is like the Powerbook 12", with some compromises, but still solid, it looks like a good deal.

You know... (-1, Troll)

Pojut (1027544) | more than 6 years ago | (#22054718)

Steve, you keep trying to make things prettier and thinner...and yet all of your products still look the same! There is nothing that sets them apart...having white plastic-on-plastic is not hip, it's not cool, and it's not a head turner.

Come up with something new in your designs. It's been what, 10-15 years? Apple-White is the new grey box IBM: dull, boring, and uninspired.

No ethernet port, no optical drive (1)

sillypixie (696077) | more than 6 years ago | (#22054734)

Sounds like a sys-admin's nightmare. I think I'll stick with my Macbook for a bit, thanks.

As a consultant who travels with a laptop, I would say I use wireless at client sites no more than 15% of the time. The chance of me showing up with a wireless-only laptop, and being able to get onto the network on the first day.... 0%.

I'm sure we'll get there. But until then, I still need to get work done.

Air + Cintiq 12WX (1)

splatterboy (815820) | more than 6 years ago | (#22054746)

A Macbook Air and A Wacom Cintiq 12WX... I want to get one just for the "watch this" effect next time I have to meet a client/portfolio review.

Suck it, Sony!!! (1)

BrowncoatJedi (1006665) | more than 6 years ago | (#22054754)

Steve Jobs owns your sorry ass.

Underwhelming Resolution (1)

dazedNconfuzed (154242) | more than 6 years ago | (#22054762)

1280-by-800 resolution.

This thing is awesome, and I really really want one, and I understand compromises must be made, but a screen limited to 800 lines is problematic.

Please, Steve, 1024 lines? really soon now? please?

apple why the lack of updates for you other hardwa (2, Funny)

Joe The Dragon (967727) | more than 6 years ago | (#22054806)

apple why the lack of updates for you other hardware?

like the lack of a macbook pro update, macbook, imca, adc, and mini updates?

The mini is 161 days old and that was just a core 2 cpu drop in update it still has the real old gma 950 video and only 1gb of ram at the same price point.

The imacs are 161 days old as well and they have a weaker video card then the older a bigger imac before them.

The macbook pro is 224 days old.

also where is the xmac?

the mac pro starts at $2700 now but you can cut $500 by going down to 1 cpu.

$2200 for 1 quad core with 2gb of ram and ati 2600xt is better then the older mac pro but what about people who need a good desktop at $600+ and $1000 - $2000?

The Imac screen is not good for pro work and the mini is over priced and underpowered for it as well.

are you waiting for 10.5.2 with amd chipset drivers?
http://www.mac4ever.com/news/34085/amd_dans_leopard_10_5_2/ [mac4ever.com]
http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=fr&u=http://www.mac4ever.com/news/34085/amd_dans_leopard_10_5_2/&sa=X&oi=translate&resnum=1&ct=result&prev=/search%3Fq%3D10.5.2%2Bapple%2Bamd%26start%3D10%26hl%3Den%26safe%3Doff%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:official%26hs%3DzNW%26sa%3DN [google.com]

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