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Pirate Bay Gets a 4,000-Page Complaint

kdawson posted more than 6 years ago | from the ianal-but-that's-a-lot dept.

The Courts 643

I Don't Believe in Imaginary Property writes "Swedish prosecutors appear to be close to finally pressing charges against The Pirate Bay, having served them with 4,000 pages of legal papers. While this might appear bad, the administrators have already moved some of the servers out of the country, so Swedish prosecutors can't shut it down, even if they want to. Moreover, the people of Sweden are decidedly on their side, with the Pirate Party, which is sympathetic to TPB's cause, being one of the top ten political parties in the country. Still, this looks like a dirty trick on the part of the prosecutors — like they're dumping all of this on the defendants in the hope that they won't have enough time to sort through it and defend themselves. For comparison, the second-biggest murder case in Sweden required only 1,500 pages."

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Dude, I so have this one: (5, Funny)

smitty_one_each (243267) | more than 6 years ago | (#22061930)

Don't read any of the complaint.
When they ask you to enter the plea, you say:
"Oh, we thought we were members of the US Congress faced with a piece of legislation. Dont tase me, bro."
Worked for me.

Re:Dude, I so have this one: (5, Insightful)

MBraynard (653724) | more than 6 years ago | (#22062460)

A 'top ten' political party means the people of the country are behind you? You mean, like just how the American people are behind Ron Paul.

Looking forward to watching the Pirates of the Bay become a different kind of 'pirate.'

Wrong file type (5, Funny)

Freaky Spook (811861) | more than 6 years ago | (#22062550)


I would have just replied "Sorry, we can only read ODF, what us being communist hipppy pirates and all"

Second biggest? (4, Interesting)

tonsofpcs (687961) | more than 6 years ago | (#22061932)

The second biggest murder case required 1500, how much did the biggest require?

Re:Second biggest? (1)

DittoBox (978894) | more than 6 years ago | (#22062002)

That depends on how they quantify their use of the word "big." Its entirely possible that "big," could mean "highly publicized."

Re:Second biggest? (1)

coop247 (974899) | more than 6 years ago | (#22062332)

Also, "one of the top ten political parties in the country", so its comparable to the Montana Militia.

Re:Second biggest? (3, Insightful)

Enderandrew (866215) | more than 6 years ago | (#22062436)

There are only 2 parties here, but many other countries have far more than 2 parties.

It might have been more helpful to give a reference. X percent support the pirate party, which is Y percent below the average support a party gets in Sweden.

hmmm (0, Offtopic)

ILuvRamen (1026668) | more than 6 years ago | (#22061936)

as a speedreader, I gotta say that maybe they should find someone who can speedread. It's not to hard at the same time to selectively focus on stuff that's important since obviously in 4000 pages, not all of it is. When you think about it, who has time to write that many pages? It's probably quotes and copy-pastes of other documents. I remember for some court case someone made a document and copied in the entire transcript of a similar case and it was like 500 pages.

It's a paper bomb. (1)

gnutoo (1154137) | more than 6 years ago | (#22062024)

It's not to hard at the same time to selectively focus on stuff that's important since obviously in 4000 pages, not all of it is. When you think about it, who has time to write that many pages?

Regardless of how they made it, the court should throw it out as a waste of everyone's time.

Re:hmmm (1)

gnick (1211984) | more than 6 years ago | (#22062070)

...who has time to write that many pages?
This is nothing but ignorant speculation on my part, but I'm guessing that it's a large team of American and Swedish lawyers under the employ of the MPAA who wrote most of this up and delivered it wrapped it up for the Swedish prosecutors.

Re:hmmm (3, Informative)

markov_chain (202465) | more than 6 years ago | (#22062220)

At 4000 pages, it's probably really redundant, e.g. they printed a few pages worth of boilerplate for a bunch of torrent files on the site or something. That's kind of how patents work too, and once you figure out the list comprehension it's pretty quick to read.

Congratulations on missing the point (3, Insightful)

Rix (54095) | more than 6 years ago | (#22062414)

You can't "selectively focus" on documents where the author is actively trying to hide things from a casual reading.

I Don't Believe in Imaginary Property? (3, Funny)

jannesha (441851) | more than 6 years ago | (#22061942)

I Don't Believe in Imaginary Property...but I have three stories on Slashdot's front page.

Muahaha (mine is an evil laugh).

Re:I Don't Believe in Imaginary Property? (4, Funny)

OECD (639690) | more than 6 years ago | (#22061970)

I Don't Believe in Imaginary Property...but I have three stories on Slashdot's front page.

SHHH! Don't discourage him. He's doing swell, so far.

Ask Slashdot? (5, Funny)

JonathanR (852748) | more than 6 years ago | (#22061948)

Shouldn't this be posted under 'Ask Slashdot', in order to mobilise the world's best legal minds?

Re:Ask Slashdot? (5, Funny)

frictionless man (1140157) | more than 6 years ago | (#22061996)

Shouldn't this be posted under 'Ask Slashdot', in order to mobilise the world's best legal minds?
Your suggesting a Slashdot user will read a 4,000 page article? RTFA? You must be really new here.

Re:Ask Slashdot? (-1, Flamebait)

JonathanR (852748) | more than 6 years ago | (#22062108)

You must be really new here.
No, you're incorrect. I'd expect you'd RTFUID before posting your wit here.

Re:Ask Slashdot? (3, Informative)

joshuac (53492) | more than 6 years ago | (#22062408)

You do realize it's ok even to comment that CmdrTaco must be new around here on Slashdot, right mr 'leet 852748?

You would know what the answer would be... (0)

RuBLed (995686) | more than 6 years ago | (#22062044)

yes, no, mabye, fud, whatcouldpossiblygowrong, haha

Re:You would know what the answer would be... (1)

JonathanR (852748) | more than 6 years ago | (#22062206)

itsatrap

Re:You would know what the answer would be... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22062514)

i really don't think that means what you think it means..

Re:You would know what the answer would be... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22062554)

Well, you know those craaazy Swedes. I bet if you took a good look at the prosecuting legal team, you'd come to the same conclusion.

Second-biggest murder case (-1, Offtopic)

Foerstner (931398) | more than 6 years ago | (#22061950)

Just a question...how do you measure murder cases? Number of victims?

[If the mod system works, this will be modded offtopic. If this post is not modded offtopic, then the mod system is broken.]

Obvious question. (2, Funny)

hmccabe (465882) | more than 6 years ago | (#22061976)

So, how many pages for the biggest murder case in Sweden?

Re:Obvious question. (1)

BlueParrot (965239) | more than 6 years ago | (#22062384)

That would be the murder of former prime minister Olof Palme, and if that EVER gets resolved then DAMN will there be paperwork involved... I'd expect at least a library of congress' worth given it has been more than 2 decades of investigation.

Not so surprising (4, Insightful)

russotto (537200) | more than 6 years ago | (#22061982)

Murder's a pretty simple issue compared to copyright. I don't know about the Swedish legal system, but if the prosecution dropped 4000 pages of paperwork on a defendant right before some deadline in the US system, the defendant's lawyers would ask the judge for more time, and get it (unless the fix was in).

THE PIRATE GAY (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22062004)

BUTTFUCK ME MATEY!!

Really? (5, Funny)

gnutoo (1154137) | more than 6 years ago | (#22062190)

Murder's a pretty simple issue compared to copyright.

That's true. Most murder cases can be proved in a single 18 minute sitcom slot but the infinite losses caused by PIRATES of Imaginary Property can never be explained so easily outside of soundbites like "pirate" and "thief". These soundbites must be repeated, Shining style, over 4,000 pages of manually typed pages to even begin to understand the nature of the current case.

Re:Really? (2, Informative)

megaditto (982598) | more than 6 years ago | (#22062310)

I doubt even thousands of random murders would cause as much monetary damage in lost sales to the American movie/music industry as this pirate bay thing.

Corporations have to make profit so they understandably care much more about piracy than about murder.

Oh dear (3, Interesting)

Aranykai (1053846) | more than 6 years ago | (#22061998)

I hope they put it on their legal page. Would be quite hilarious having all 4000 pages available on their site.

Re:Oh dear (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22062132)

Here is the torrent [shortenurl.com] of all 4000 pages. Can someone please seed? I am stuck at 99.7%

yarrrr

Re:Oh dear (2)

rob1980 (941751) | more than 6 years ago | (#22062516)

Along with a point-by-point response to everything in that document, just like they do to everyone who has sent them legal threats over the years.

If I was the judge... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22062008)

If I was the judge, I would say call me in 5 years after I read all 4000 pages.

maybe the "community" can help (4, Insightful)

jim.hansson (1181963) | more than 6 years ago | (#22062014)

I'm wondering if it is possible to post the whole thing on the internet and get help and input from people on the internet, maybe not legal?, is there someone here on slashdot that knows something about swedish law?

Re:maybe the "community" can help (1)

Orne (144925) | more than 6 years ago | (#22062038)

More importantly, are there enough people here on slashdot that know swedish?

Re:maybe the "community" can help (3, Funny)

calebt3 (1098475) | more than 6 years ago | (#22062254)

Forget posting it to be downloaded by HTML or FTP. Post a torrent.

Re:maybe the "community" can help (1)

Warbothong (905464) | more than 6 years ago | (#22062472)

Bah, the document won't hold water in the long term. Nobody will accept the LineSpacingLikeNapster section, or the verdict times being specified in two different formats (one counting from 1900, one from 1904), or of course the break from widely used hex codes for "light grey-area" and "dark grey-area". Time will tell if anyone is able to implement these claims...

Distributed legal processing & response (5, Interesting)

G4from128k (686170) | more than 6 years ago | (#22062028)

Assuming that Pirate Bay's fans include more that a few legally ept people, this 4,000 page document could be distributed for scoring, summarizing, and response. If a 1,000 people each read only 40 pages, than each page would be reviewed by 10 different sets of eyes.

I could imaging publishing the 4,000 pages as a Wiki and recruiting "editors" to analyze the document and mount a response. (Hopefully this would not attract too much Slashdot-style IANAL legal advice)

Re:Distributed legal processing & response (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22062114)

Alternatively, based on TPB's past response to legal threats, 4000 pages is a lot of toilet paper.

Re:Distributed legal processing & response (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22062194)

It is not the usual baseless "please don't copy our stuff, or else..." kind of threat. This time it's the Swedish executive going after them. They have to defend themselves. Also, the new comment system sucks donkey balls.

Re:Distributed legal processing & response (1)

glwtta (532858) | more than 6 years ago | (#22062308)

Hopefully this would not attract too much Slashdot-style IANAL legal advice

You are proposing a massive campaign to solicit Slashdot-style IANAL legal advice, I think that a large amount of Slashdot-style IANAL advice might be the expected outcome.

Re:Distributed legal processing & response (1)

ravenspear (756059) | more than 6 years ago | (#22062392)

But if those 10 people were not all lawyers or were unfamiliar with Swedish law, exactly how would they be qualified to render an opinion on the contents?

Re:Distributed legal processing & response (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22062410)

Anyone have a torrent of the legal document?

i bet a fucking nigger sent this (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22062030)

you know, since niggers are worthless fuckers.. (that and they stink)

amirite?

Wow! Top 10?? (-1, Flamebait)

goldspider (445116) | more than 6 years ago | (#22062060)

Moreover, the people of Sweden are decidedly on their side, with the Pirate Party, which is sympathetic to TPB's cause, being one of the top ten political parties in the country.

I really don't know what to say.... Are you really suggesting that the Pirate Party is an influential and relevant political force? Based on that??

Re:Wow! Top 10?? (1, Insightful)

goldspider (445116) | more than 6 years ago | (#22062138)

Oh, I get it. Submitter is a Pirate Party Pundit (ha ha! see what I did there?). Nothing like an objective source.

Sorry pal, you can pretend all you want, but even in Sweden a "top ten party" shouldn't impress anybody.

Re:Wow! Top 10?? (1, Funny)

quanticle (843097) | more than 6 years ago | (#22062318)

Heh, yeah. That's like saying that the Green Party here has mass popular support because its in the top 10.

Re:Wow! Top 10?? (1)

Donniedarkness (895066) | more than 6 years ago | (#22062496)

Well, their membership surpasses (last time I checked) that of the Swedish Green Party, which has members in Parliment.

This isn't America, where only two parties matter.

What the fucking hell? (0, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22062062)

Can you please unbreak Slashdot? The new comment system is terrible. It takes dozens of clicks to load a full comment tree and then it's slow and unwieldy and won't let me sort in a useful manner.

I love the new comment system. Unbreak yourself. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22062292)

So you have to wield the mouse a little, boo-hoo. The mousephobia of coder geeks is embarrassing in this day and age. You're probably browsing Lynx, anyway.

I say Slashdot is not broken enough. More mouse clicks, please.

Re:What the fucking hell? (2, Interesting)

Phil246 (803464) | more than 6 years ago | (#22062340)

You see the prefs option on the control bar to the left?
that lets you turn it back into the classic discussion mode - you can also configure all the other options to your liking from there

Re:What the fucking hell? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22062386)

There is no prefs option on the control bar. Figuring out why is left as an exercise to the reader.

Re:What the fucking hell? (1)

megaditto (982598) | more than 6 years ago | (#22062406)

Probably a wrong kind of a person clicked on a goatse link once too many times, and caused slashdot some trouble. A congressman's kid? Congressional aide? Cat-hoarding granny living nextdoor to Taco? NSA analyst getting anal about OTP-looking messages from ClippySay?

Apparently they require people to log in to see the full thread (threat?) now.

Re:What the fucking hell? (1)

jesdynf (42915) | more than 6 years ago | (#22062568)

Uncheck the box about testing the new discussion system. I don't like it either.

Doesn't mean anything here. Does it there? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22062094)

the people of Sweden are decidedly on their side, with the Pirate Party, which is sympathetic to TPB's cause, being one of the top ten political parties in the country.
 
The Libertarians are probably the 3rd or 4th largest party. What power do they have?
 
The majority of Americans believe in legalized marijuana usage for medicinal purposes. How many people can get ganja in the US with a prescription and not fear being jailed or fined for it?

So what? (2, Insightful)

moosesocks (264553) | more than 6 years ago | (#22062126)

Moreover, the people of Sweden are decidedly on their side, with the Pirate Party, which is sympathetic to TPB's cause, being one of the top ten political parties in the country.


The Socialist Party USA's presidential candidate came in 8th place in 2004, in terms of the popular vote.

Of course, that only amounted to 10,837 votes, or 0.009% of the total.

In Sweden's 2006 general election, The Pirate Party received the 10th most popular votes, or 0.63 (just below "The Feminist Initiative")

"Top ten political party" doesn't mean a thing, and TPB are clearly in violation of the law, and will likely face all sorts of penalties for moving their operations out of the country. Whether or not the law needs to change might be another issue, but I don't think there's any debate here that what they're doing is illegal...

Re:So what? (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22062222)

Huh?
Clearly in violation of the law?
I presume you don't mean Swedish law, 'cause that isn't clear at all.
Hell, it isn't clear why they were even charged, nor their servers confiscated.

Re:So what? (4, Interesting)

glwtta (532858) | more than 6 years ago | (#22062290)

TPB are clearly in violation of the law, and will likely face all sorts of penalties for moving their operations out of the country. Whether or not the law needs to change might be another issue, but I don't think there's any debate here that what they're doing is illegal...

Is this one of those things where you think that the whole world lives under US law?

Actually, even in the US, what sort of penalties could you possibly face for "moving operations out of the country"?

Re:So what? (5, Funny)

M. Baranczak (726671) | more than 6 years ago | (#22062504)

Actually, even in the US, what sort of penalties could you possibly face for "moving operations out of the country"?
You'd get a massive tax break to entice you to move operations back in?

Re:So what? (1)

Shados (741919) | more than 6 years ago | (#22062518)

I don't know about Sweden, or hell, the US for that matter...but I'd be thinking that if (extreme example incoming!) you were, let say, running a slavery organisation, then move it out of the country, you'd still be liable for what you did BEFORE you moved it out. Unless of course you moved YOURSELF out too, in a country that won't turn you over or doesn't have any kind of treaty along those lines.

Re:So what? (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22062338)

I don't think there's any debate here that what they're doing is illegal...
Do you even know anything about Swedish law? If it was that simple, this would have happened long ago.

Re:So what? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22062434)


"Top ten political party" doesn't mean a thing, and TPB are clearly in violation of the law


Just a minute, Jackass. In some parts of the world, winning an election does not make a person/party god and king. You smell American, Bushite.

Re:So what? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22062452)

Actually, no. At least their standpoint is that sharing torrents is allowed by Swedish law. They are probably right (they tried some things before, but it never worked. If they were really clearly doing something illegal, they would have been stopped quite some time ago). Ofcourse, that does not prevent the justice department of doing their best to find some wrongdoing. And with apologies to Richelieu, they probably can find something. In addition, it may be that some powers in Sweden are pushing to *make* their actions illegal.

In addition. What's up with ./? Lots of double post, and banners *in between* posts. (And yes I am using / anonymously for nearly 10 year and i like it like that; so don't tell me I deserve this:P )

Re:So what? (1)

ZachPruckowski (918562) | more than 6 years ago | (#22062488)

Actually, there is a viable argument that they haven't broken the law. In Sweden, hosting copyrighted content w/o authorization is illegal, but linking to it isn't. This differs from America, which doesn't distinguish between the two.

Re:So what? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22062578)

"Top ten political party" doesn't mean a thing, and TPB are clearly in violation of the law, and will likely face all sorts of penalties for moving their operations out of the country. Whether or not the law needs to change might be another issue, but I don't think there's any debate here that what they're doing is illegal...

Maybe its illegal where you live but in Sweden it is currently not illegal to post torrent files. They might be guilty of trademark infringement (filenames inside torrent file or the torrents themselves) but as torrent files contain no copyright material they're quite legal over there with regards to copyright. Just because some stupid lawmakers in your country have convinced you something is illegal there, don't assume it is everywhere.

4000 Pages? Puh-lease? (2, Insightful)

BlabberMouth (672282) | more than 6 years ago | (#22062140)

That is one bankers box. Not many lawyers would be intimidated by ten bankers boxes these days.

Easily Fixed (5, Funny)

EEPROMS (889169) | more than 6 years ago | (#22062142)

Send back a 20,000 page vague summary reply.

Re:Easily Fixed (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22062350)

Yeah, this is exactly what they should do. But only after they asked for and used an extended time to "process" the 4k pages. Takes 2 to tango.

OpenOffice.org (0, Offtopic)

kramulous (977841) | more than 6 years ago | (#22062374)

2008 will be the year for Linux! You wouldn't write that summary with Word. Even with a Vista capable machine!

I think this sums it up perfectly (4, Interesting)

Amorymeltzer (1213818) | more than 6 years ago | (#22062162)

From TFA:

thanks to the threat of a high-profile legal action, plenty of free advertising.
Given:
1. There's little, if anything, the prosecutors can do to TPB.
2. The vast majority of the Swedish people sympathize with them, if not are down right on their side.
3. Their name and "product" will gets tons of new airtime at now charge to them (it's happened before [wikipedia.org] ).

If you ask me, getting sued is the best thing that may happen to The Pirate Bay since the invention of broadband!

Misleading comparison (5, Informative)

thesaurus (1220706) | more than 6 years ago | (#22062164)

Criminal cases, murder in particular, tend not to involve a whole lot of paper. In fact, relatively little evidence is ever admitted. I don't know if this is a criminal or civil procedure (or if Sweeden has different distinctions) but IP litigation tends to involve tons of paper. Let me tell you, I'm a paralegal and I printed some 2000 pages today alone. A major case can involve a couple million pages. Really. 4,000 pages is actually 2-3 normal sized boxes worth.

Mechanical Turk vs. MPAA (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22062196)

mechanical turk to the rescue, attn: all attorneys, read this page of legalese.

A Simple Question (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22062260)

Is that complaint available over BitTorrent yet?

i don't believe in imaginary political parties (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22062314)

don't drop the soap when you go to jail dude. oh, on second thought, you might like it. fucking thief.

Yeah, but... (1)

d23tek (1208848) | more than 6 years ago | (#22062396)

I heard the rough draft was only 1,000 pages, so they double spaced, used a 16 point courier font, and increased the margins to 1.5". Just like my term papers.

4000 pages takes REASONABLE time to read (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22062464)

The courts have to give reasonable time to read 4000 pages and understand them and make a case.

You cannot just hand 4000 pages and then the next day appear in court. That would be an unfair trial.

Is nothing sacred anymore? (5, Funny)

CranberryKing (776846) | more than 6 years ago | (#22062476)

They shut down napster and I said nothing. Then they killed allofmp3 and I said nothing. Now they have come after thepiratebay and.. Wait! Now they're fucking with my pr0n god dammit!!
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