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New Firmware Fixes Previously Bricked iPhones

ScuttleMonkey posted more than 6 years ago | from the house-that-iphone-built-comes-crumbling-down dept.

Hardware Hacking 182

drcagn writes "Ars Technica reports that Apple's new 1.1.3 firmware update unbricks iPhones damaged from unlocking and updating the firmware months ago. In September, users who hacked their iPhone's firmware to unlock it found their iPhone bricked when they updated to new firmware, creating a massive upset and internet furor. Although Apple claimed this was not an intended effect of the update, it held the stance that it is not their responsibility to ensure that updates work with users' warranty-voiding hacks, and many cried foul. This update, which provides new features Jobs showed off at Macworld, while not officially unbricking the iPhone, has restored iPhones from Gizmodo and a reader of the Unofficial Apple Weblog."

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182 comments

Ugh. (0, Offtopic)

thesolo (131008) | more than 6 years ago | (#22101618)

And how nice of Apple to give out the update for free, instead of charging $20 to unlock the new features on an iPod Touch [apple.com] . You have to buy that even if all you want to do is rearrange your icons on the home screen or use "Webclips" in Safari, an application already included on the Touch.

The ridiculous thing is that the 1.1.3 update for the Touch includes all of the applications & updates to the iPod, but they just sit on the Touch, wasting space until you give Apple $20. And then they send you an 8 kilobyte PLIST file that unlocks them. So even if a Touch user doesn't buy them, the apps are sitting on the drive, wasting space on that teeny flash drive. Awesome.

This just gives Touch users further excuse to Jailbreak their iPods.

As for the iPhone, the previous firmware bricked some iPhones that weren't even hacked. They probably should have released a revised firmware a lot sooner than they did.

What do you expect from faggots? (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22101798)

This is classic fudgepacker behavior.

Bend over and take it like a woman.

Re:Ugh. (4, Insightful)

Moonpie Madness (764217) | more than 6 years ago | (#22102958)

Dude, if you were wanting a bargain product, Apple simply isn't making anything for you.

If you want a really nice product, particularly aesthetically nice, then Apple makes all kinds of shit you might like. But you have to give them MONEY for it.

That software was not advertised as included in the ipod touch. So you didn't get screwed. If you want this version of the software, pay 20$. Of course, a lot of people get it through a different avenue.

If you want a cheap PDA that has a lot of this functionality, you can get one pretty cheap. If $20 is a big deal for you.

Apple is going to always do this. They've found a niche that is profitable, has decent clientele, is fun to manage. I think Apple isn't going to change. They will charge you more for everything, but make good stuff.

Crap! (1)

Babu 'God' Hoover (1213422) | more than 6 years ago | (#22101648)

I should have gone with BIN on that ebay auction!

I, for one... (0)

calebt3 (1098475) | more than 6 years ago | (#22101676)

welcome our unbricked (undead?) overlords.

Cue the bitching (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22101740)

This strikes me as very good news. But undoubtedly, some people will complain anyway.

Paying lip service, or is there a secret plan? (0, Troll)

The_Abortionist (930834) | more than 6 years ago | (#22101896)

1 - Unlocking is stealing from the service provider who is footing half the bill for the phone.

+

2 - Linux open sourcers are code thieves.

=

3 - Is this an attempt by Apple to woo Linux developers into the BSD camp by saying it's OK to steal? Looks like it to me!

Incorrect (1)

michaelepley (239861) | more than 6 years ago | (#22102194)

Unlocking is stealing from the service provider who is footing half the bill for the phone. Unlocking phones is protected by law in the United States. Nor is it stealing, as 1) no contract is required to purchase the physical hardware (and once you own it, you can do pretty much whatever you want with the hardware -- but not the firmware/software), 2) apparently apple makes a fair amount of money from the sale of the hardware too, and 3) there is no difference for AT&T if you buy the hardware or just a different phone and then never activate with AT&T or even at all (all legal), in any event AT&T would get $0.

Re:Incorrect (1)

celle (906675) | more than 6 years ago | (#22103606)

No they're not. At >$500, the only person paying for the phone is you. The provider is also being paid by you and they are redirecting some of it to Apple. So no one is stealing from anybody, well, except consumers being intellectually ripped off by everyone in buying this over-hyped garbage.

Re:Cue the bitching (-1, Flamebait)

smilindog2000 (907665) | more than 6 years ago | (#22102204)

Let me be the first! In particular, Apple did quite intentionally brick the phones. They had to write extra code to detect modified base-bands, and extra code to then lock down the phones. They deserve every bit of anger directed at them. Personally, I'm not planning on getting back on the iPhone band-waggon, and will work with Android instead. If apple dies a painful death as a company, it couldn't happen to a nicer CEO.

Re:Cue the bitching (1)

wgoodman (1109297) | more than 6 years ago | (#22102266)

On that note, Don't you have to pay $20 to get this update? Seems like a nice plan. Put out a firmware update that will break phones, then put out a $20 update that will fix them.

Re:Cue the bitching (1, Informative)

peragrin (659227) | more than 6 years ago | (#22102316)

No you don't the $20 is for software that will turn the iPod touch into a PDA. Including mail client etc, that should have been included from the start.

that update has nothing to due with the iphone at all.

Re:Cue the bitching (4, Insightful)

Luscious868 (679143) | more than 6 years ago | (#22102558)

No you don't the $20 is for software that will turn the iPod touch into a PDA. Including mail client etc, that should have been included from the start.

Since the iPod touch is an iPod, and not a PDA, and since those features were not there to begin with and everybody who bought one knew that if they bothered to to do any research first, isn't $20 a small price to pay to add those features if you want them? Are you forced to spend the $20? Did Apple claim those features were there to begin with and then charge people $20 to get them?

Re:Cue the bitching (1)

th1nk (575552) | more than 6 years ago | (#22103560)

Since the iPod touch is an iPod, and not a PDA, and since those features were not there to begin with and everybody who bought one knew that if they bothered to to do any research first, isn't $20 a small price to pay to add those features if you want them? Are you forced to spend the $20? Did Apple claim those features were there to begin with and then charge people $20 to get them?

No, those features were not there to begin with, but people who go to the store today and buy the exact same model get those features for the same original price. Why punish the early-adopters?

Re:Cue the bitching (1)

wgoodman (1109297) | more than 6 years ago | (#22102914)

Ugh. You're right, my bad. Friday before the holiday and no one's here to break anything. I'm bored outta my mind and it's clearly left as a result.

Apple support (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22101752)

Apple's lack of morality is the real problem here.

They sell products for a fortune, and one year later support is gone.

It's garbage that company and its products. Only complete morons buy Apple.

Re:Apple support (0, Troll)

havenskate (964747) | more than 6 years ago | (#22102314)

Yay yay! I'm a moron. Yay! That's great!

Re:Apple support (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22102416)

>>It's garbage that company and its products. Only complete morons buy Apple.

If only morons buy apple products, then what are windows userrs? As apple products are generally used by the the smartest people out there.

Re:Apple support (1)

Just because I'm an (847583) | more than 6 years ago | (#22102472)

Your insightful commentary has led me to re-evaluate my attitude to Apple and its products. DO you have a newsletter I could subscribe to?

Re:Apple support (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22102514)

Insightful and informative. Thank you!

Confused (5, Insightful)

Toonol (1057698) | more than 6 years ago | (#22101780)

If a iPhone can receive an update that unbricks it, then it was never bricked in the first place.

Re:Confused (4, Funny)

EggyToast (858951) | more than 6 years ago | (#22101820)

Obviously, it was only mostly bricked.

Re:Confused (5, Funny)

GroeFaZ (850443) | more than 6 years ago | (#22102084)

Actually, it was just resting. On its back.

Re:Confused (1)

The_Wilschon (782534) | more than 6 years ago | (#22102362)

It was shagged out after a long iSquawk?

Re:Confused (1)

fuocoZERO (1008261) | more than 6 years ago | (#22102262)

perhaps the brick was only half baked?

Re:Confused (1)

cbart387 (1192883) | more than 6 years ago | (#22102442)

Is that like mostly dead? Have fun storming the castle!

Re:Confused (2, Funny)

oahazmatt (868057) | more than 6 years ago | (#22101828)

If a iPhone can receive an update that unbricks it, then it was never bricked in the first place.
Sssh! Don't say that too loud! You'll enrage the mob!

Don't listen to him folks, they're all still expensive coasters, that's right.

Re:Confused (4, Insightful)

SatanicPuppy (611928) | more than 6 years ago | (#22101856)

The phrase "brick" is so overused as to be meaningless these days. It wasn't "bricked"; the firmware update got fubared on the hacked phones the last time it was updated, rendering the device non-functional. This one overwrites whatever chunk of firmware code that was causing the issue, and poof, it fixes the problem.

Same as if you screwed up a BIOS update on your motherboard. Do it again, correctly and you'll be fine.

Re:Confused (1, Insightful)

venicebeach (702856) | more than 6 years ago | (#22102044)

For several months the device was about as useful as a brick.

It wasn't a matter of just trying the firmware update again; for those who bricked there were no options available to bring the device back to functionality --until now.

I think people splitting hairs about the use of the term "brick" are missing the point.

Re:Confused (4, Insightful)

jameson71 (540713) | more than 6 years ago | (#22102218)

If this update could fix the iphones, putting it into recovery mode and doing a restore probably would have fixed it too. Anyone calling that bricked shouldnt be messing with their iphone in the first place.

Re:Confused (5, Informative)

jrumney (197329) | more than 6 years ago | (#22102372)

I think people splitting hairs about the use of the term "brick" are missing the point.

Bricked is when you need to take out the soldering iron and connect up a JTAG cable. If you can still communicate with the firmware loader over USB, it isn't bricked.

lyies (1)

Requiem18th (742389) | more than 6 years ago | (#22102716)

You are lying.

iphones don't have the structural strength of bricks and are useless for construction use.

Re:Confused (1)

dreamchaser (49529) | more than 6 years ago | (#22103310)

It's not splitting hairs. Calling an iPhone that was disabled by a firmware update 'bricked' is like saying someone is dead when they still have a pulse.

"I'm not dead yet!"

Re:Confused (1)

SleepyHappyDoc (813919) | more than 6 years ago | (#22103498)

What about someone whose heart stops, but then in restarted later by a medicine or treatment of some kind (an "update")? Were they dead?

These iPhones were unusable and unable to be put into a usable state, until this "treatment" came around. That's dead, to me.

Re:Confused (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22102068)

Same as if you screwed up a BIOS update on your motherboard. Do it again, correctly and you'll be fine.

Do what again, boot into DOS and... oh wait, it doesn't boot, unless I take the chip out and flash it "correctly" in an entirely different device. It looks like the iPhone "works" as it turns on and does stuff ("in recovery mode"), so it's not really bricked. It just doesn't make calls.

Re:Confused (1)

B3ryllium (571199) | more than 6 years ago | (#22102182)

Heh, I screwed up a BIOS flash one time ... the machine wouldn't initialize the video at all after that. It took a few minutes of cold, hard panic to realize that "hrm, the floppy drive is lighting up". Did a bit of research on another machine, and found out that I could make a boot floppy to auto-flash the BIOS with proper firmware. There was an awful lot of swearing involved, however.

Note to readers: When flashing BIOS firmware, pay careful attention to the *ENTIRE* revision string of your motherboard. And, also, don't flash from within Windows (even if the utility says you can do it).

Re:Confused (1)

SatanicPuppy (611928) | more than 6 years ago | (#22102808)

I was thinking of exactly the same experience. Windows, fubar, fix from boot floppy, everything. Forever after in my mind "bad firmware" will equal that never-to-be-sufficiently-dammned motherboard.

Re:Confused (1)

B3ryllium (571199) | more than 6 years ago | (#22103172)

In my case, the flash died halfway through (under Windows), and left the firmware in a bad state of being partially-written. I guess it had a built-in recovery system, looking for the bootable floppy with auto-flash (non-interactive) features, and so it was purely by the grace of the BIOS Gods that I was able to get it working again. :)

Of course, back in the late 90s, there were a few times when all that got screwed up was the MBR, which in modern parlance would be (for the average user) the equivalent of bricking the machine. Boot disk, command line, fdisk /mbr ... done. :)

Re:Confused (1)

milsoRgen (1016505) | more than 6 years ago | (#22103022)

And, also, don't flash from within Windows (even if the utility says you can do it).


True that, but since I haven't had a floppy drive since 2001 I am kind of curious how I'm suppose to update my board. Works fine, but if they ever release an update to support the Phenom (I use a msi K9n4-sli), I'd love to know how to avoid digging up an old Floppy drive and having to violate my poor computer... Any ideas?

Re:Confused (1)

B3ryllium (571199) | more than 6 years ago | (#22103136)

Yeah. Buy a Mac.

Re:Confused (1)

milsoRgen (1016505) | more than 6 years ago | (#22103168)

You're kidding right? You did notice I use an SLI motherboard? Perhaps that means I like to play games?

Re:Confused (1)

empaler (130732) | more than 6 years ago | (#22103160)

Actually, my current mobo has a feature that allows me to pop in the original driver CD in case I burn my fingers on a bad fw upgrade... No fuss, no special equipment needed.

Re:Confused (1)

Quietust (205670) | more than 6 years ago | (#22102184)

The phrase "brick" is so overused as to be meaningless these days. It wasn't "bricked"; the firmware update got fubared on the hacked phones the last time it was updated, rendering the device non-functional. This one overwrites whatever chunk of firmware code that was causing the issue, and poof, it fixes the problem.

Same as if you screwed up a BIOS update on your motherboard. Do it again, correctly and you'll be fine.
That's a rather bad analogy, since if you screw up a BIOS update on a motherboard and then try to reboot, it's very possible that the system will cease to boot altogether, such that the only way to resolve it would be to use an EPROM programmer to reflash it. In such a situation, the term "bricked" is completely appropriate - the traditional definition implies that unbricking requires hardware replacement, and removing the BIOS to reflash it arguably counts as hardware replacement.

Re:Confused (1)

that this is not und (1026860) | more than 6 years ago | (#22102960)

Same as if you screwed up a BIOS update on your motherboard. Do it again, correctly and you'll be fine.

Except, you can't do it 'correctly' when the motherboard won't boot at all to do so 'correctly.' In my case of the one instance where I screwed up a motherboard reflashing I was lucky that the bios chip was socketed. I simply pulled the chip and reprogrammed it in my eprom programmer. (actually it wasn't that simple, the shitty eprom parts that ECS uses are easily damaged and I had to reprogram a second part.) If it had been a motherboard with a soldered-on flash chip, I would have been S.O.L.

Re:Confused (1)

Zaphod The 42nd (1205578) | more than 6 years ago | (#22102132)

Thats like saying that if you can reset CMOS, reformat, and have a new OS install put on it to fix it, it was never bricked. What exactly IS bricked, then? A brick? I'd like to be a little more liberal with the term, myself.

Re:Confused (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 6 years ago | (#22102732)

What exactly IS bricked, then?
Must open case to repair == bricked.

Re:Confused (1)

gEvil (beta) (945888) | more than 6 years ago | (#22103006)

I would say that your example doesn't constitute a bricking, since the computer was able to be recovered and put back in a workable state without specialized tools (no, knowing what jumpers to short and how to use a floppy disk don't qualify as "specialized"). If, however, the only way to reset it is by pulling the BIOS chip and reprogramming the EEPROM, then I would consider it bricked. There is a very distinct difference between the two.

Re:Confused (5, Funny)

vux984 (928602) | more than 6 years ago | (#22102412)

If a iPhone can receive an update that unbricks it, then it was never bricked in the first place.

Correct. Welcome to the new age of blogger journalism where something is called bricked the moment even a single feature or other stops working.

My wireless keyboard is on the verge of being bricked, excuse me... ... I had to go put in a new battery before I finished this post. Looks like it un-bricked my keyboard, whew.

Re:Confused (2, Funny)

Neanderthal Ninny (1153369) | more than 6 years ago | (#22102990)

The only iPhone that cannot be unbricked is this one:

http://www.willitblend.com/videos.aspx?type=unsafe&video=iphone [willitblend.com]

Re:Confused (1)

Megane (129182) | more than 6 years ago | (#22103388)

That would be because it isn't bricked. It's powdered.

Re:Confused (1)

kcbanner (929309) | more than 6 years ago | (#22103096)

I guess "bricked" to Apple users means a part of it doesn't work, making it "like a brick" to them.

Software can't unbrick (4, Insightful)

corsec67 (627446) | more than 6 years ago | (#22101830)

If you can recover a device to a full operational state without opening its case or attaching a jTag cable, it wasn't bricked.

Flashed with a messed up firmware, or a bad flash, sure, but not bricked.

If you have to use a boot wait feature to load a new firmware over a network, it isn't bricked either because it was able to access a network and run a tftp server.

Re:Software can't unbrick (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22102106)

If you can recover a device to a full operational state without opening its case or attaching a jTag cable, it wasn't bricked.
Informing the Slashdot community on what "bricked" means is futile. Most Slashdot folks are wannabee computer experts who claim that they are god's gift to computer science and/or information technology.

I think you should just blindly agree with the statement that "iPhones are often bricked when pursuing your constitutional rights due to Job's stupidity and/or evilness" and move directly onto the viability of flying cars and the IP issues of the Crackberry.

Re:Software can't unbrick (1)

that this is not und (1026860) | more than 6 years ago | (#22103042)

Most Slashdot folks are wannabee computer experts who claim that they are god's gift to computer science and/or information technology.

You're right. It was a sad-sad day when it became so easy to 'make a computer from scratch' that all you need is a phillips screwdriver. Now there's a whole brigade of people who are 'expert' because they can tell the difference between an ISA and a PCI card. It's fun reading posts on usenet from people like that. "The SIMMs out of the Sun Ultra 5 that I ignorantly gutted and want to put into my cheap wintel clone to run 'doze on _seem_ like they're the right size to go in the slot..."

Re:Software can't unbrick (1)

that this is not und (1026860) | more than 6 years ago | (#22102998)

Does that mean the Blade 100 that I recently 'recovered' was bricked, because it had a NVRAM password set? I had to physically pull out the NVRAM module while it was powered up to bypass the password, reset it, and put Solaris on the box.

In the SOVIET Union (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22101840)

Phone brick you.

Re:In the SOVIET Union (1)

Jackie_Chan_Fan (730745) | more than 6 years ago | (#22102874)

In Soviet Union, Brick is phone!

And in America... (1)

Mantaar (1139339) | more than 6 years ago | (#22103300)

... even bricks phone home.

They are right (5, Insightful)

geekoid (135745) | more than 6 years ago | (#22101842)

"held the stance that it is not their responsibility to ensure that updates work with users' warranty-voiding hacks, "

They shouldn't be held liable. You buy a product and modify it the manufacture can't, and shouldn't, be held responsible for the results.

Re:They are right (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22101980)

I "bricked" my iPhone by trying to jailbreak it but I was able to restore it (after a scare and quite some effort, mind you). I agree with Apple: you're on your own when you start messing around with firmware hack you downloaded from internet forums and such. It's a beautiful machine as is, so I don't really have too much sympathy for those couldn't figure out how to fix their mess after trying get an NES emulator running on the iPhone. But maybe I'm just an old crank... P.S. Is jailbreaking the same thing as hacking it?

Re:They are right (1)

calebt3 (1098475) | more than 6 years ago | (#22102018)

That depends on your definition [reference.com] . (see #7)

Re:They are right (1)

geekoid (135745) | more than 6 years ago | (#22102982)

" Computers. to devise or modify (a computer program), usually skillfully."

well, since the bricked phones weren't modified skillfully by there owners, I guess they weren't hacked.

Re:They are right (1)

Reality Master 101 (179095) | more than 6 years ago | (#22103316)

They shouldn't be held liable. You buy a product and modify it the manufacture can't, and shouldn't, be held responsible for the results.

No, Apple shouldn't be held liable, but they *should* be strongly condemned for locking it down in the first place and forcing people to resort to these measure so as to have true ownership of THEIR (not Steve's) hardware.

Re:They are right (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22103568)

No, you are wrong. You are making an argument that if you buy an iPhone, you own not only the hardware (you do), but the software on the phone as well (you don't). You hack their software you're on your own. But hey, if you want to take your bricked phone and figure a way to run Linux or whatever else, go right ahead. After all, you own the hardware. Do what you want with it. Apple could care less. But don't go around b**ching about why the APPLE-OWNED-SOFTWARE on your iPhone is inoperable after you purposely hacked it to do something apple did not authorize. You're naive and ignorant if you expect to download their new firmware and have it magically operate along with your monkey-wrenched changes. They have every right to control how their operating system functions. Not you. Sheesh... get over it. Nothing to read here...

Re:They are right (1)

david_thornley (598059) | more than 6 years ago | (#22103524)

What freaks me out is the attitude that first we go out and change undocumented things on the iPhone, and second we go for the Apple-supplied firmware update. Either choice sounds reasonable to me, but both at once is foolhardy.

It doesn't unbrick all iPhones (2, Informative)

MSRedfox (1043112) | more than 6 years ago | (#22101858)

If you look at http://www.hackint0sh.org/ [hackint0sh.org] (forums for the anysim iPhone unlock method), you'll see that some iBricks don't get fixed using this trick. So while this method may work for some, it isn't the cure all for all iPhone hacking mistakes.

Re:It doesn't unbrick all iPhones (1)

Cheezymadman (1083175) | more than 6 years ago | (#22101890)

iBrick. I like the sound of that.

Re:It doesn't unbrick all iPhones (2, Funny)

calebt3 (1098475) | more than 6 years ago | (#22101900)

And if Apple bought AOL, we would have the iFrisbee.

ABout brick (5, Insightful)

geekoid (135745) | more than 6 years ago | (#22101920)

Save yourself some frustration and realizer the term brick changed when it hit the mainstream market.
Like 'Hacker'. You can't stop it, just sigh and go on, otherwise your just screaming into the wind.

mod parent up (1)

N3TW4LK3R (841526) | more than 6 years ago | (#22102026)

Just wanted to drop a reply because I accidentally modded this redundant.

I was aming for Insightful, but the new discussion system sure makes it easy to kinda 'miss' ;)

Re:ABout brick (1)

_Sprocket_ (42527) | more than 6 years ago | (#22102258)

Save yourself some frustration and realizer the term brick changed when it hit the mainstream market.
How ironic.

Re:ABout brick (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22102286)

I think you mean, pissing into the wind

The brick it gracelessly (5, Funny)

Sloppy (14984) | more than 6 years ago | (#22102564)

I bricked about this happening to "meme" [slashdot.org] a couple years ago, then bricked the solution, [slashdot.org] so I'd like to brick some words of encouragement to anyone who feels bricked by the loss: brick your vengeance. If you can't brick "brick," then nobody can.

Heretofore, "to brick" can brick anything. You can brick a beer; you can brick a pizza. You can brick a computer; and you can brick your girlfriend. You can brick your hat, except in Soviet Russia, where hat bricks you.

Go brick something, and then brick somebody about it in the hopes that they'll brick someone else. Brick the word, so the whole world will brick that they bricked "brick." Hopefully after that, maybe they will have bricked that some words are better off left unbricked.

Re:The brick it gracelessly (1)

geekoid (135745) | more than 6 years ago | (#22102790)

Do you pronounce 'Knight' with a hard K? how about Knife? I mean thats the way the where pronounce years ago.

The common use definition has changed. You can be the biggest ass you want, but it still won't stop the common use of 'Brick' use in this context.

You want to get pendantic? it's not bricked at all.
a brick is:
        a block of clay hardened by drying in the sun or burning in a kiln,

bricked is:
      1. To construct, line, or pave with bricks.
      2. To close or wall with brick: bricked up the windows of the old house.

  So people in the industry that called a nonfunctional electronic device a brick are actually wrong.

Re:The[n] brick it gracelessly (1)

Sloppy (14984) | more than 6 years ago | (#22102830)

Brick you, geekoid. ;-)

Re:The[n] brick it gracelessly (1)

geekoid (135745) | more than 6 years ago | (#22102950)

Son of a Brick!

Re:The brick it gracelessly (1)

RoboRay (735839) | more than 6 years ago | (#22102822)

It's actually quite easy to brick a pizza. Especially one with extra cheese.

Re:The brick it gracelessly (1)

HTH NE1 (675604) | more than 6 years ago | (#22102916)

Brick it forward.

Re:The brick it gracelessly (1)

tfoss (203340) | more than 6 years ago | (#22103384)

"Verbing weirds language [google.com] "

-Ted

stop saying "BRICKED!!!" (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22101974)

You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

To "Brick" means to make the device irretrievable, irrevocably useless. Except perhaps as a paperweight or doorstop, though curiously not as an actual brick.

"Defective due to a firmware conflict" does not make an iPhone "bricked." It is malfunctioning, but if there is a way to make it work again it is NOT FRICKIN' BRICKED.

Look. I get it, I know you think the word "bricked" is cool to say. I used to think "owned" was cool, way back in 1997. But it's not, and misusing it makes you, to use another overused word, a "tool."

Re:stop saying "BRICKED!!!" (0)

Andy_R (114137) | more than 6 years ago | (#22102256)

Until this firmware update was released, the bricked phones were "irrevocably" useless. The only ways to fix them were:

a) Travel into the future to some unknown date when Apple might issue a fix
b) Write your own OS from scratch, and get it into the flash memory by methods unknown to science
c) Grind the device down into it's component atoms and reassemble them in the original order
d) Find the universe's 'undo' button or
e) do some other practically impossible thing.

The fact that now method a) has now been found to have worked doesn't mean that method a) was previously a realistic enough option to count as an exception to the brickishness.

Re:stop saying "BRICKED!!!" (3, Insightful)

jareds (100340) | more than 6 years ago | (#22102626)

Until this firmware update was released, the bricked phones were "irrevocably" useless. [emphasis mine]

You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

Seriously, nothing indicates that these users updated the firmware by any abnormal method. The phone would be bricked if there were no way to get into recovery mode or whatever lets you update the firmware.

Re:stop saying "BRICKED!!!" (2, Informative)

Discordantus (654486) | more than 6 years ago | (#22103554)

good grief, listen to yourself!!!!

"irrevocable" is an absolute term, just like "bricked". By very definition, if something is eventually revoked, it wasn't irrevocable.

Please, go back to grade school. Do not pass go, do not collect 200 dollars.

In other news.. (1)

hilather (1079603) | more than 6 years ago | (#22102002)

Dempsters releases update for bread that will turn toast back into bread!

Re:In other news.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22102340)

I'm confused - is it an update for bread or for toast?

All toasters toast toast. (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 6 years ago | (#22102844)

I'm confused - is it an update for bread or for toast?
No, it's an update for poop. That is, bread after it has gone through your body. Because you know what they say: all toasters toast toast [youtube.com] .

Hackers Did This Months Ago (3, Informative)

Doomstalk (629173) | more than 6 years ago | (#22102042)

I "unbricked" my phone back in October. The iPhone development community built a utility that rebuilt your lockstate tables way back then. Welcome to the party Apple.

They lost me as a perspective customer (-1, Redundant)

merc (115854) | more than 6 years ago | (#22102100)

This isn't flamebait, I'm just saying this scared me away from buying an iPhone (among many other things which have already been hashed on here and the consumerist).

I'm excited to see what comes out of the Android platform from google.

Re:They lost me as a perspective customer (2, Insightful)

oahazmatt (868057) | more than 6 years ago | (#22102276)

This isn't flamebait, I'm just saying this scared me away from buying an iPhone
This isn't flamebait either, I'm just confused at your statement. The fact that Apple does not support hardware when the warranty has been intentionally voided scared you away? Or the fact that you are locked-in to AT&T with the iPhone?

Re:They lost me as a perspective customer (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22102326)

You were scared away from buying a product because you might break it if you try to modify it yourself? Do you accidentally hack firmware in your sleep or something?

Re:They lost me as a perspective customer (0, Flamebait)

kamochan (883582) | more than 6 years ago | (#22102334)

I am not quite sure if Apple is actually looking for particularly perspective customers... They seem to be mostly after the pro-consumer sector. You know, people with a rather narrow perspective.

This is the link to the Ars Technica story (4, Informative)

Guy Harris (3803) | more than 6 years ago | (#22102446)

Somehow the link to the story [arstechnica.com] appears to have gotten lost.

Apple vs the world (0, Flamebait)

Loki_1929 (550940) | more than 6 years ago | (#22102456)

Apple's continued stance that they know what's best for their customers and that their products are 'perfect' as-is prevents what could be revolutionary products from ever reaching that potential. No matter how good, how cool, how well designed a product they release, it's their attitude toward the people who invest in those products that will ensure that Apple will never achieve Microsoft's level of success.

They can innovate to extraordinary levels in many ways, but so long as they keep the snotty outlook on the world at large, they're just another tech company. Apple, you need to stop acting like assholes, and stop treating your customers like every last one is a worthless idiot.

Re:Apple vs the world (1)

Charcharodon (611187) | more than 6 years ago | (#22102858)

Apple, you need to stop acting like assholes, and stop treating your customers like every last one is a worthless idiot.

They aren't worthless idiots, they are what they are, and Apple treats them exactly how they should be treated.

Fleecing are what sheep are for.

Re:Apple vs the world (1)

Eric in SF (1030856) | more than 6 years ago | (#22103080)

And where have you been lately? Apple is on record stating they don't aspire to a Microsoft/PC level of success.

Their bank account tends to support their strategy.

Re:Apple vs the world (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22103350)

"Snotty outlook" is a major part of the Apple user experience and a significant chunk of their value to their customers. Just take a look at the Mac / PC ads -- perfectly cast to reassure their customers they're the hip, snotty one that's validated by looking down their nose at geek-boy.

Re:Apple vs the world (2, Insightful)

tfoss (203340) | more than 6 years ago | (#22103594)

Apple's continued stance that they know what's best for their customers and that their products are 'perfect' as-is prevents what could be revolutionary products from ever reaching that potential.
Um, WTF are you talking about?

That they disavow any damage a firmware update will do to a modified piece of hardware? If that is the case, I would submit that 99.9% of companies are in the exact same class.

If you are talking about the fact that an SDK is not out yet, wait a month til it is.

If you are just turned off by Steve Jobs, that seems like a personal issue.

but so long as they keep the snotty outlook on the world at large, they're just another tech company. Apple, you need to stop acting like assholes, and stop treating your customers like every last one is a worthless idiot.
What are you *so* bitter about? I really don't understand this somewhat prevalent attitude that because they aren't supporting an unsupported 3rd party modification of one of their products, they are assholes.

And BTW, as just another tech company, their market cap is ~140 billion, have had a stock price increase of 56x in the past 5 years [yahoo.com] , and have the highest grossing [cnn.com] ($/sqft) retail outlet of any retail outlet, bar none. If that is what you consider just another tech company, I guess we have very different standards.

This seems like the exact inverse of an apple fanbois post...ranting with no basis instead of raving with no basis.

-Ted

Now I am confused. (1)

that this is not und (1026860) | more than 6 years ago | (#22102904)

If the phones were 'bricked' how is this new firmware getting put onto them? Is there a jtag connector and it's easily connected to by to all the people with these 'bricked' Iphones??

I swear the level of ignorance about what 'bricked' means is staggering.

Responsible or not (2, Interesting)

s4ltyd0g (452701) | more than 6 years ago | (#22102996)

Any company that installs firmware on a system in an unknown state "unintentionally" are morons. They've never heard of checksums? Don't trust your expensive iphone to them for updates because they're obviously not performing due diligence. I they can't detect a hacked phone before blindly installing, they will be unable to detect other problems/conditions which would break the phone when patched. As a matter of fact, were there not also
a small number of non-hacked phones which got bricked as well?

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