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Thinkpad X300 Specs Leaked

Zonk posted more than 6 years ago | from the little-tiny-thinker dept.

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Kyokushi writes "Gizmodo reports that some specifications of a new ultralight Lenovo X300 have been leaked. 'It appears that Lenovo have themselves a new ultralight X300 series Thinkpad — and outside of the price and release date, we have all of the specs that you need to know. At a glance, some of the major features include: a 13.3-inch LED backlit 1440X900 screen, an ultralight 2.5 pound form factor, and Intel Merom Santa Rosa Dual Core CPU (2.0 Ghz / 880 Mhz ), a 64 GB SSD, up to 4GB of DDR2 PC2-5300 memory, and 4 hours of battery life.' If this is true, then Lenovo looks to have some heavy competition for the Macbook Air." Update: 01/20 22:55 GMT by S : Corrected Gizmondo->Gizmodo.

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Is the case still black? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22118704)

If so, it's still a niggerpad.

Re:Is the case still black? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22119116)

WTF is going on with all the racism lately?

Is /. being taken over neo-nazis?

Re:Is the case still black? (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22119528)

Is about obama, only hillary astroturfers.

Gizmondo is a failed handheld (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22118726)

Gizmodo is the tech blog reporting this.

Re:Gizmondo is a failed handheld (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22119702)

I went to the jizzmondo site to read up on this, but all I can find is information on young willing east european babes who want my hot manmeat now!

Light? (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22118746)

But does it run OS X?

Re:Light? (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22118854)

I dunno, but my Mac mini runs Ubuntu!

Behold! (3, Informative)

Jeremiah Cornelius (137) | more than 6 years ago | (#22118990)

But does it run OS X?
The Mighty iATKOS! [uphuck.com]

Black Air.

Need video and wireless specs (4, Insightful)

Jim Hall (2985) | more than 6 years ago | (#22118774)

This sounds really interesting, but I'm waiting to hear more about video and wireless card. Thinkpads have been very good for me in running Linux, but Linux on laptops these days often comes down to the video card, modem, and the wireless card. Modems are usually winmodems, which are hard to support - but I haven't used a modem in years. Anyone have other details to point to?

Re:Need video and wireless specs (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22118916)

My X40 has a winmodem, but it works perfectly on Linux. The same with the wireless (Intel), video card (Intel also), soundcard etc. I think IBM/Lenovo is doing pretty well on that. You can check http://www.thinkwiki.org/ [thinkwiki.org] and you'll see what's supported and what's not in linux.

Re:Need video and wireless specs (4, Informative)

Evanisincontrol (830057) | more than 6 years ago | (#22118958)

TFA has all kinds of info. Check out this table of specs [gizmodo.com] , as well as these tidbits here [gizmodo.com] . It appears to sport integrated graphics; Discrete graphics are listed as "not supported", along with PCexpress cards and other card readers. As a side note, new laptop having neither an express card slot or any other card reader is quite surprising to me -- especially a high-budget product like a Lenovo.

Re:Need video and wireless specs (4, Informative)

gnuman99 (746007) | more than 6 years ago | (#22119482)

All extra peripherals are replaced with USB devices. There is no need to complicate the interface anymore. USB is ubiquitous. Maybe firewire would have been a better solution, but Apple butchered it by requiring manufacturers pay royalties while USB had a royalty-free implementation from the start. Clearly, free-market spoke and USB is king.

Card readers and express card slots went the way of the floppy and serial port.

Re:Need video and wireless specs (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22119606)

The x61 has a card reader. I suspect they remove it from this one, to allow one full- and one half-height PCMCIA slot. (The x61 has just one half-.)

Re:Need video and wireless specs (2, Informative)

gradedcheese (173758) | more than 6 years ago | (#22118976)

With ThinkPads it's just a matter of whether you get "integrated" (Intel) or "discrete" (ATI/NVidia) graphics, and in this case I doubt they'll jam "discrete" graphics into a smaller form factor, especially where battery life and heat count so much. My guess is that it has Intel graphics, in which case things should work fine. The WiFi will probably be a MiniPCI / ExpressCard deal as usual, in which case you can choose Intel's chipset.

Re:Need video and wireless specs (0, Troll)

jellomizer (103300) | more than 6 years ago | (#22119094)

Not the fault of the Hardware manufacture who makes these windows systems. It is the fault of the Linux Distributions for not keeping up on the drivers. When a company does give a closed source driver the OSS Community cries foul. So other then release an open source driver they release none. If the Linux community was more open to closed source drivers there may be a bunch of drivers for Linux. But they made it so company cannot make closed source drivers. And for a lot of hardware companies that is an important issue because with the driver source people can make competing compatible products. Which they don't want.

Re:Need video and wireless specs (1)

jackuess (1121253) | more than 6 years ago | (#22119302)

The binary drivers are not used you say? Do you have any numbers to back that statement up? Not that I have any numbers to back this up, but: the nvidia closed source driver for example seems to be fairly popular. Can't imagine that too many nvidia card owners don't use it, and several distributions distribute it.

Is there a tablet version? (3, Interesting)

Zeinfeld (263942) | more than 6 years ago | (#22119098)

The key selling point of Windows over Mac in the laptop area as far as I am concerned is the tablet form-factor. Tablets are very good for collaborative whiteboarding during a brainstorming session.

Light is nice but Steve Jobs seems to have a bit of a Clive Sinclair complex. He just pushes the envelope one bit too far. Sinclair did it on cheap (microdrive not a floppy), Jobs does it on practicality (no exchangable batteries).

The Lenovo looks like it is slightly less cool but a lot more practical. I bet you can swap out the battery. In fact I bet that nobody even thought of not allowing the user to swap it out.

Looks to me like this is a deliberate, sanctioned leak in response to the Air. Looks like solid state drives are becomming mainstream. Getting rid of the mechanical components from the board is going to make it much easier to do thin.

I suspect that the actual battery life is 3 hours and 6 with the extended battery pack, my T43 still does that reliably with two year old battery packs.

I like the specs better (2, Informative)

the_humeister (922869) | more than 6 years ago | (#22118776)

It even has wired ethernet. But Apple still has the branding that the general populace flock to nowadays.

Re:I like the specs better (3, Insightful)

ScrewMaster (602015) | more than 6 years ago | (#22118812)

Apple also has OSX, and Lenovo has Windows. The difference in operating systems is more than branding (I don't own a Mac, but let's face it, Microsoft is still playing catch-up.)

Re:I like the specs better (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22118836)

Yeah, someday Microsoft may hope to sell more copies of their software than Apple does. Catch up indeed.

Re:I like the specs better (4, Insightful)

ScrewMaster (602015) | more than 6 years ago | (#22118930)

Yes, but we aren't talking about the relative financial success here: we're talking about the usability and sophistication of the product itself. And there Microsoft is way behind. Make no mistake ... I don't like Apple, I don't like Jobs, and it's unlikely I'll ever own an Apple product again (the last one was an Apple ][.) So I'm not defending Apple Computer, per se, but as a Windows programmer I'm more than familiar with the shortcomings of that particular OS.

Catch up, indeed.

Re:I like the specs better (3, Insightful)

gnuman99 (746007) | more than 6 years ago | (#22119574)

Apple doesn't have the panacea of the OS world. And I own a Mac. Seriously, Vista is not that bad and can be comparable to Apple. The annoying popups shouldn't actually be experienced in properly written software for end-users anyway.

Windows API/ABI at least is stable. Apple's new OS is less so. I wander how long it will take for 10.0 apps to be unusable. The only "problem" with 64-bit Vista is you can't run Windows 3.1 apps anymore. :)

I know you can argue that manifests are nasty and all that, but at least the overall situation with manifests is a little better than the old DLL-hell we used to experience. Apple has a better solution from user standpoint, though it has its shortcoming (ie. app bundles).

But if you are speaking from a programming world (as someone that writes software for all 3 OS - OS X, windows and Linux), Linux's userland is way ahead in the programmer friendliness. Stuff just works. Tools just work. Automation just works. In this light and my experience, both X and Windows are light-years behind.

Re:I like the specs better (0, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22118934)

Spoken like a true fanboy. When all else fails, pull out the Market Share card. I'll use it too.

Hey, everybody, the Ford Escort is higher quality car than a Porsche Carrera GT. Want proof? There are more Escorts on the road!

Re:I like the specs better (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22118948)

Yeah, someday Microsoft may hope to sell more copies of their software than Apple does. Catch up indeed.

That's the short view. A longer view might be "Someday Microsoft may hope to quit losing market-share and mind-set to other OSes."

Re:I like the specs better (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22119388)

"Apple also has OSX, and Lenovo has Windows. The difference in operating systems is more than branding (I don't own a Mac, but let's face it, Microsoft is still playing catch-up.)"

Considering KDE has a more polished GUI than either MacOS or Windows, you might want to consider getting 3 or 4 Asus EEE's for the price of that macbook, especially given the weight saving...

Re:I like the specs better (1)

EVil Lawyer (947367) | more than 6 years ago | (#22119674)

Are you suggesting that one couldn't load Linux on this Lenovo?

Re:I like the specs better (1)

mobby_6kl (668092) | more than 6 years ago | (#22119100)

No shit, it even has twice as many USB ports. Now that's impressive!

Re:I like the specs better (1)

edwardpickman (965122) | more than 6 years ago | (#22119102)

I'm a Mac fan but 8% of the market hasn't hit flocking yet. Granted if they maintained their percentile increases for a few more years they'd pass Microsoft. That can't happen for a lot of reasons but they are likely to settle into a 15% market share eventually which would be impressive. They really aren't competing head to head since computers are like political parties and religions. Some people are independents or agnostics and float between but for the bulk of the people using computers there isn't a choice they'll either buy a PC or for a few a Mac. Linux is mostly on the geek side still. So long as most of the software and in some cases devices are PC only then Mac is going to have a tough time breaking 15% market share. It's like electric cars with a 100 mile range. For 99% of most people's driving it'd be superior to gasoline, cheaper and and more convenient, plug in at home. Still people make their decisions based on the 1% "what if". Mac will do 99% of what I need and is easier, more stable and more secure, but what if...... It's more breaking a cycle to get people to try Mac or Linux. Linux for all of it's benefits still has some rough edges that keep it more in the tinkerer realm but Mac is more turn key than PCs so it'd actually be better for 90% of the users but branding is a powerful thing and Microsoft has the monopoly and if everyone has one it must be better.

Re:I like the specs better (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22119188)

It even has wired ethernet

And I suppose the ethernet dongle you can purchase for the MacBook Air does not count? No, seriously, check out the Apple store [apple.com] and look closely at the build-to-order options. Using USB, you can connect 10/100 ethernet ($29), V.92 modem ($49) or optical drive ($99). Apple is targeting the "ultra-mobile" market that would theoretically use ubiquitous WiFi, but there are still options for using features you would expect to find in a "normal" machine.

Yeah, I will go ahead and say I am an Apple fanboy, but people talk about the MacBook Air like it has no capability for ethernet whatsoever.

Re:I like the specs better (1)

lukas84 (912874) | more than 6 years ago | (#22119466)

I currently own a ThinkPad T60. I use the optical drive one time per quarter, maximum. I could easily live without it.

Ethernet on the other hand, well. An external, small Dongle. I've already lost laptop power supplies, i'd probably lose a lot more than the power supplies. I use Ethernet frequently. Not every customer has wireless yet, or setup a guest access wireless. Other people might need the optical drive more often.

The ThinkPads have always been designed in a simple way: Form follows function. Apple is primarily selling lifestyle products. There's nothing wrong with that, but they often trade usability for aesthetics, which is bad, in my opinion. But there are multiple requirements for different people.

Re:I like the specs better (1)

dada21 (163177) | more than 6 years ago | (#22119626)

My IT employees carry around a tiny WiFi router to all clients. It's secure, easy to use, and works great. Ethernet for us is now unnecessary.

If someone made a decent battery-operated router, I'd be even happier.

FunctionForm (5, Insightful)

Tainek (912325) | more than 6 years ago | (#22118844)

I still cannot understand the rabid obsession with thinness the most people have, the two most importent things for me are weight and battery life, the laptops thickness is its least problomatic dimension. i would rather have this over the Air, this should also be tougher than the Air, which cannot be too tough. This also has 4G Ram, which is a must for any media work. The Air is more of a fashion accessory than a serious laptop IMO

Re:FunctionForm (1)

darkwhite (139802) | more than 6 years ago | (#22119332)

And the most important things for me are battery life and durability. And for others, it may be performance and expandability. Everyone has different priorities... so why not thinness? I'd rather have a wide range of slightly imperfect models to choose from which prioritize different things, than one that prioritizes the thing I least care about...

Re:FunctionForm (2, Insightful)

Phat_Tony (661117) | more than 6 years ago | (#22119342)

I agree that I don't understand the super obsession with size (size doesn't matter, right?) but clearly to some people it does. I guess that, as a luxury product, it's just cool and sexy to have something really sleek and thin.

To me, the Thinkpad looks like a better laptop than the Macbook Air, because it's got an optical drive, three USB ports instead of one, built-in ethernet, and a faster processor. But why even compare these two laptops, instead of comparing a Macbook or Macbook Pro to whatever model of competing Thinkpads there are, unless size is one of your primary criteria? If size wasn't a primary consideration, you shouldn't be shopping for or comparing either of these two laptops, because you'd get more laptop for your money in something that isn't aimed specifically at being tiny.

And for those for whom it's all about size, the Apple's graduated to a different league than this Thinkpad. They're about the same footprint, but the Air tapers from .16" to .76", where the Thinkpad tapers from .73" to .92". The Air's thickest part is almost as thin as the Thinkpad's thinnest part. Assuming they're both 9" deep and that the cross-sectional area of these laptops were right trapezoids, which they're not quite, the Macbook's cross sectional area is 4.14 square inches, and the Thinkpad's is 7.43. It's a big difference.

Again, it's a difference that I, and probably most people on Slashdot don't really care about, but apparently some people do, and as I said, why compare ultra-slim notebooks at all if you aren't going to give them points for how ultra-slim they are? If there weren't a lot of people in the US willing to pay a thousand or more dollars extra for something slightly slimmer, Dynamism [dynamism.com] wouldn't have been around for all these years.

I think the lack of ports on the Air are a huge drawback, but I think it's Apple's attempt to start dragging us into a wireless future, and it's a future I don't think technology's ready for now, but will be in a few years. Once there's a decent wireless peripheral interface with broad support (wireless USB or whatever), and there's wireless charging, and maybe some new batteries that last much longer and last for many more recharging cycles, they can just make 0-port hermetically sealed laptops. That would be a cool future. I'd also want my Wi-Fi integrated such that it's functional at the BIOS level, so one could do OS upgrades and netboot and emergency recovery over WIFI. Apple's trying to nudge us this way, and so to them it's a "feature" that they took nearly all the ports off the computer, although it's a feature that would currently make my world a much more difficult one.

This new Thinkpad isn't trying to be visionary, and it isn't radically thinner. It's just the regular old incremental improvement, not much different in magnitude from the past 10 generations of thin Thinkpads in how much different it is from its predecessors. While I personally prefer its specs over the Air's, I prefer nearly any new Laptop's specs over the Air's, and I'm surprised people consider it news, because it looks to me like the slightly smaller, slightly faster future we're all used to on notebook revisions, while the Air was a much smaller, intentionally low-on-ports different vision of the suture that is sort of newsworthy.

Cosmetic Computing... (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22119542)

...that's what I call it. Apple is into "cosmetic computing", which isn't actually about computing at all. It's about being able to sell someone something for little to nothing of actual design cost just by making the "thing" look more eye appealing. Steve Jobs is not into what computer science geeks are about, he's into the somewhat lucrative market of art. Steve has managed to move Apple into the upper class. He's not selling to coach fliers. He wants his products to be used by people who drink wine with their dinners, while discussing the paintings of the art scene and Prada.

I've also noticed that a lot of what Apple does now is "output only". Many of Apples latest products are all about getting you to buy media, not create it. For example, the Apple iPod line could very well have a built in stereo A/D converter for high-end audio, like the Roland EDIROL R-09 recorder, but nooo, that would be "enabling" the customer, which we just can't allow. Also, Apple it seems just doesn't want their devices to become general "computing" devices that the public can control with their own software. yuk spit.

Re:FunctionForm (1)

dollar99 (922389) | more than 6 years ago | (#22119664)

People are obsessed with tiny, sleek, electronic gadgets exactly because they consider them fashion accessories. Many people who are willing to pay more for something because it "looks cool" could care less about the technical specs as long as it runs the internet and Microsoft Office. I know its sad, but its true.

weight? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22118862)

"If this is true, then Lenovo looks to have some heavy competition for the Macbook Air." HA!

Missing features... (2, Funny)

Cathoderoytube (1088737) | more than 6 years ago | (#22118864)

Unfortunately much to the chagrin of the Gizmodo reporter, tv-b-gone remotes don't seem to have any effect on the new laptop.

why are thinkpads so ugly? (4, Insightful)

drtsystems (775462) | more than 6 years ago | (#22118878)

Why do all thinkpads look like they are from 1995? I know they are targeting businesses, and are great laptop's, but seriously, that laptop looks the same as my 300mhz Pentium 2 thinkpad

Re:why are thinkpads so ugly? (1)

Grey_14 (570901) | more than 6 years ago | (#22119010)

I like how they look, it's look functional and simple. what's so wrong with that?

Re:why are thinkpads so ugly? (5, Insightful)

phoxix (161744) | more than 6 years ago | (#22119024)

Why do all thinkpads look like they are from 1995? I know they are targeting businesses, and are great laptop's, but seriously, that laptop looks the same as my 300mhz Pentium 2 thinkpad

Ugly?

Some of us think the black boxy design is incredibly sexy. The design behind the Thinkpad is based of the elegant design of the Japanese Bento Box [quickspice.com] . One of think Thinkpads is even on permanent display at New York Museum of Modern Art!

The day these machines stop being black and boxy is the day many of us stop buying them.

Re:why are thinkpads so ugly? (1)

toppavak (943659) | more than 6 years ago | (#22119088)

The day these machines stop being black and boxy is the day many of us stop buying them.
I know that a lot of my friends were outraged when they started selling them in silver. I just ain't a thinkpad if it ain't black.

Re:why are thinkpads so ugly? (1)

sethstorm (512897) | more than 6 years ago | (#22119274)

Unfortunately, they rolled what was in the Z series into the T series, quality going by the wayside.

Re:why are thinkpads so ugly? (2, Insightful)

eMartin (210973) | more than 6 years ago | (#22119108)

I agree, but one thing i don't like is the cluttered keyboard.

My Macbook Pro's keyboard does all that I need in both OS X and Windows, and doesn't have all of the extra keys and extra writing on them that the Thinpads do.

Re:why are thinkpads so ugly? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22119530)

Why do all thinkpads look like they are from 1995? I know they are targeting businesses, and are great laptop's, but seriously, that laptop looks the same as my 300mhz Pentium 2 thinkpad

i happen to like a laptop that doesnt capture my attention as its user. the most useful thing a machine can do for me is disappear so that i'm focused. i find that glossy screens, reflective surfaces, and blinking lights may be pretty on the shelf, but are just distracting when it comes time to do some serious work. add to that a responsive keyboard and nimble trackpoint and theres no reason to look at the thinkpad itself in the first place, instead of what you are trying to do with it. i'm happier with a laptop focused on performance and efficient ease of use--making me the star of the show.

Re:why are thinkpads so ugly? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22119552)

I agree. The thinkpad design to me is gorgeous. I love the sharp lines.

Re:why are thinkpads so ugly? (1)

slap20 (168152) | more than 6 years ago | (#22119660)

I personally love the look of the Thinkpads. I am still using my 400mhz Thinkpad 390X, I just can't part with it. I have newer faster laptops these days, but I can always find time to use the Thinkpad. I don't want to be distracted by a million things on a laptop, glossy screens flashing lights, I want to work and get sh$t done.

Re:why are thinkpads so ugly? (3, Insightful)

asc99c (938635) | more than 6 years ago | (#22119158)

Lenovo do have some nicer looking laptops with glossy coatings everywhere. One thing I've noticed though, is that the Lenovo / IBM look is a very durable look. The nearly black, matte mottled surface doesn't show fingerprints, scratches or grime and the plastic is the same colour underneath the surface.

My laptop is about a year old and only travels occasionally. It looks great except for all the scratches, discolouration, chips etc. Unless you always store your laptop in a padded laptop bag, in a separate compartment from the power adaptor and other accessories it will only stay pretty a few months.

You can just throw a Lenovo in the boot every day and a couple years later it will come out looking the same - see your comment above :)

Re:why are thinkpads so ugly? (1)

value_added (719364) | more than 6 years ago | (#22119644)

One thing I've noticed though, is that the Lenovo / IBM look is a very durable look. The nearly black, matte mottled surface doesn't show fingerprints, scratches or grime and the plastic is the same colour underneath the surface.

Generally, yes, but that's not entirely correct. The color/finish of the keys reflects light to the point of glare when using the built-in light thingy, and keyboard wear is more noticeable because the lettering is white against black. Moreover, lint, dust, dead skin, and in my case, dog hair and the ash from an occasional cigarette, are especially noticeable.

That said, I wouldn't trade it for the world.

As for the OP comment about being "ugly", well, my tastes are probably as refined as Steve Job's are (though I bought a Miele vacuum cleaner (for the dog hair) and not a Miele washer/dryer set), but to my mind, the Thinkpad is what a non-toy laptop should look like. In fact, if you ever see a girl sitting in a Starbucks using a Thinkpad like I did recently, you could almost call it "sexy".

MacBook and ThinkPad not really competing (5, Informative)

Per Abrahamsen (1397) | more than 6 years ago | (#22118884)

There are of course people going for the specs, but they are just as much about branding. The target markets has very little overlap.

The guy on the Gizmondo blog that compared it with Volvo vs Porche got it right (a car analogy always helps :-), someone in the market for a new Volvo is unlikely to be swayed by a Porche, and vice versa.

The rest of the bloggers aso got it right, they focused on how ugly, boring, old fashioned, and conservative the Thinkpad looked (it looked like every other Thinkpad), which is exactly what the Thinkpad market wants. They don't want something looking flimsy and flashy as they would consider the MacBook Air to look.

Re:MacBook and ThinkPad not really competing (1)

smtrembl (1073492) | more than 6 years ago | (#22119298)

Please, mod the parent up! As a designer, I for one, highly regard the modern style of thinkpads as superior to the ephemeral flash of super-glamorous apples (so fast rotten...)

Interesting... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22118894)

I don't see any mention of price! Does anyone else see it?

Also, there are 4 images: 1,2,4,5. I guess price was listed on image 3. Huh.

yes... (1)

band-aid-brand (1068196) | more than 6 years ago | (#22118900)

but does it have an LAN port? Or more than one usb port?

Those are the two things that really turned me off on the air, in addition to the poor specs for the price.

Re:yes... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22118974)

Yes - it even has a modem port.

Yes - it has three (3) USB ports.

I'm impressed that there are more ports (and a DVD burner!) on this thinner model than on my x61s.

However, I suspect that they bulked out the planar dimensions some (and added a touchpad. Grrr...). Not to mention the likely price. Or the fact that this is possibly vaporware, given its following the Air so quickly and also the huge number of typos and inconsistencies in the evidence.

No pricing, no game (1)

SuperBanana (662181) | more than 6 years ago | (#22118912)

If this is true, then Lenovo looks to have some heavy competition for the Macbook Air.

It can't be a competitor until Lenovo releases pricing, and I doubt Lenovo considers the very niche-market Macbook Air to be a competitor. Also, Apple's shipping units in a week or two, and Lenovo hasn't officially announced their product yet (and they missed doing so at CES, not a good sign.)

I know it's hard to resist the comparison, but just because they're both ultralight doesn't mean they're competitors. Successful products are either better than their competition (win your battles), or they put themselves in a [large enough] niche market not filled by competitors (pick your battles.)

Ultralight 2.5 pound (2, Funny)

noidentity (188756) | more than 6 years ago | (#22118920)

At a glance, some of the major features include [...] an ultralight 2.5 pound form factor

Good it's not one of those ultraheavy 2.5 pound laptops.

Is it actually a Thinkpad? (4, Interesting)

toppavak (943659) | more than 6 years ago | (#22118922)

As someone who's used IBM Thinkpads for a while, I have to ask: is it actually a Thinkpad, or is it based on Lenovo's own designs (like the ideapad)? If it comes with the titanium-alloy reinforced case, the HDAPS and support from IBM's standard thinkpad support line I'm sold. If not... *shrug*

A quick glance at the picture suggests it could be either way- it has the keyboard light that most thinkpad users come to love and adore yet the screen hinge looks plastic instead of the heavy duty metal hinges that give thinkpads that smooth and secure feel while adjusting the screen you just don't see with most other laptops.

Re:Is it actually a Thinkpad? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22119032)

Good point. I think the quality of Thinkpads has gone down a bit.

I've had various Thinkpads over the years. The current one is a T60 from Lenovo and I don't like the build quality at all. Little things like the LCD leaking backlight because the bezel is not fitted well and most of the stickers on the bottom are crooked (they look like there were attached by a three-year old).

The materials and design might be the same as IBM, but the quality isn't the same.

Re:Is it actually a Thinkpad? (1)

sethstorm (512897) | more than 6 years ago | (#22119222)

You forgot the option of S-IPS. Once you've become the many to own one with it, you don't go back.

Re:Is it actually a Thinkpad? (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22119268)

If a Genie from Lenovo is listening:

Please get rid of the stupid window keys and useless finger print readers. Thinkpads were amoung the last holdouts on earth for windows keys. It was a very good design tradeoff given the space constraints remaping one of the redundant ctrl/alt keys makes perfect sense. The fingerprint readers should be **optional on all models**

Please don't skimp on quality to lower the cost of your BOM or get rid of the 14.1 (non widescreen) XGA format. People pay more for the thinkpad line because of quality and deserve to get something for it.

Dual core CPUs are useless for notebooks and just suck more battery life with little or no returns for average use. Please keep low power single core options alive.

Don't ever even even think about getting rid of the red button mouse but DO seriously concider removing the useless trackpad.

Dual hotswap (Everything is SATA nowadays anyway) HDD slots for redundancy with some sort of release button with optional locking screw - rather than screws to easily swap HDD. I want to be able to replace a failed drive without rebooting.

Ability to have more than 4 GB RAM.

Re:Is it actually a Thinkpad? (1)

Zeinfeld (263942) | more than 6 years ago | (#22119272)

As someone who's used IBM Thinkpads for a while, I have to ask: is it actually a Thinkpad, or is it based on Lenovo's own designs (like the ideapad)? If it comes with the titanium-alloy reinforced case, the HDAPS and support from IBM's standard thinkpad support line I'm sold. If not... *shrug*

According to TFA the top is carbon fibre, the base is magnesium alloy. That is the same as regular Thinkpads. Its a functional choice.

I suspect that they have other models comming out, they just decided to leak the model they had planned that looks closest to the Apple Air.

Re:Is it actually a Thinkpad? (2, Interesting)

EVil Lawyer (947367) | more than 6 years ago | (#22119700)

All I need to know: It's got the trackpoint! That means I want it. But moreso, that means it's likely to be pretty Thinkpad-y.

Competition for MacBook Air how? (1)

Schmool (809874) | more than 6 years ago | (#22118926)

With specs like a LED backlit 1440X900 screen, Santa Rosa 2, and a 64 GB SSD, this thing is going to be nowhere close to the MBA's price point. The supposed battery life of 4 hours doesn't make me hopeful either -- manufacturers tend to lie, er, be overly optimistic about these things. This thing will be in a totally different market. Like, for users who love spending >$4000 on their laptop and having it plugged it permanently.

Re:Competition for MacBook Air how? (1)

ScrewMaster (602015) | more than 6 years ago | (#22119314)

Like, for users who love spending >$4000 on their laptop and having it plugged it permanently.

Which is the whole problem with spending >$4000 on a laptop. With something that expensive, who wants to risk carrying it around with them? It might get dropped or stolen.

They already have that model. (1)

sethstorm (512897) | more than 6 years ago | (#22119412)

Like, for users who love spending >$4000 on their laptop and having it plugged it permanently.
That's the Thinkpad Reserve. No invitation needed.

Since they've axed IPS, that's about it.

Target Market (3, Insightful)

konohitowa (220547) | more than 6 years ago | (#22118946)

It's only competition for the Airbook (yes - I know it's a "MacBook Air") if the intent of the Airbook was to lure droves of Windows users. As to the idea that it was "leaked" - please - this was nothing more than a press release in the guise of a leak. It was stunningly reminiscent of the Windows "yeah - we've got that too - next week! - so don't go anywhere" tactic.

13" is too big (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22118966)

I just got my first laptop recently, and its 14" screen makes it too top heavy to, well, sit on your lap properly. A friend's 12" laptop seems to work just fine for sitting nicely, partially because its a bit thicker than the average laptop. I don't like this new form factor standard. It seems more like the opposite of what my experience says is practical.

4 hours of battery life not enough (1)

prk_inc (957233) | more than 6 years ago | (#22118992)

for long flights. This is even more important now that the TSA in USA does not allow spare laptop batteries on board.

Re:4 hours of battery life not enough (1)

necro81 (917438) | more than 6 years ago | (#22119594)

Your information is faulty. From the TSA website [dot.gov] :

* Under the new rules, you can bring batteries with up to 8-gram equivalent lithium content. All lithium ion batteries in cell phones are below 8 gram equivalent lithium content. Nearly all laptop computers also are below this quantity threshold.
* You can also bring up to two spare batteries with an aggregate equivalent lithium content of up to 25 grams, in addition to any batteries that fall below the 8-gram threshold. Examples of two types of lithium ion batteries with equivalent lithium content over 8 grams but below 25 are shown below.

They point out that 8-gram equivalent lithium content is approximately 100 W-hr, 25-gram equivalent is about 300 W-hr. Laptop batteries these days are usually in the 30-50 W-hr range, so under the new rules you'd be able to bring your laptop, with its primary battery, plus two rather large spare batteries, and still be under their limits. It is basically a non-issue for 99.9% of travelers that bring and user their computer. The TSA limitations [slashdot.org] are mostly on lithium and lithium-ion batteries in checked baggage, where it wouldn't do you any good anyway.

lenovo already has ultralight... (4, Informative)

sentientbrendan (316150) | more than 6 years ago | (#22119012)

>If this is true, then Lenovo looks to have some heavy competition for the Macbook Air

Lenovo already has a computer in the ultralight space, the X61. The X61 has almost identical specs to the macboook air, at a much lower price and significantly higher clockspeed.

http://www.notebookreview.com/default.asp?newsID=3765 [notebookreview.com]

Looking at this new machine, I really like that they've lowered the weight more and slightly increased the screen size; however, I have to wonder what the point of a 1440X900 resolution is at 13' inches.

I also have to ask what the point of including a touch pad is, when you have one of those "keyboard nipple" trackpoints. The trackpoints are so ridiculously and unambiguously superior to a touch pad, that it just seems like a waste of space.

The third issue with the new spec, is that it is still VGA output instead of DVI output. Pretty much all modern monitors have DVI inputs, so I don't see the point of going with the old standard.

Finally, I'm not convinced of the benefits of a flash harddrive. If they are saving weight, that's nice (although I'm not sure they are lighter). However, it's a pretty small drive, and it is a myth that flash drives are faster. Flash drives have better random access, but slower sequential access, and most accesses are sequential. Things are going to seem *slower* moving to flash, not faster.

Re:lenovo already has ultralight... (0, Redundant)

beelsebob (529313) | more than 6 years ago | (#22119124)

I also have to ask what the point of including a touch pad is, when you have one of those "keyboard nipple" trackpoints. The trackpoints are so ridiculously and unambiguously superior to a touch pad, that it just seems like a waste of space.

Wait... what planet do you live on? I mean seriously, I've never met a single person ever who prefers a nipple to a trackpad. Especially when it's one of apple's excellent multi-touch trackpads.

Re:lenovo already has ultralight... (5, Funny)

setirw (854029) | more than 6 years ago | (#22119254)

I've never met a single person ever who prefers a nipple to a trackpad.

So *that's* why geeks have such a hard time getting laid...

Re:lenovo already has ultralight... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22119454)

If you ever meet me, that will change.

Although I do 3 the multi-touch Apple touchpad, I'm even happier with a nipple. My latest thinkpad came with some alternative nipples, one of which resembles the "finger well" on certain optical mouse scroll wheels. That did a lot to help with the finger-wear I get from the standard pointer.

My favorite thing about nipples is that you can use it to easily apply "full force" to the pointer without dragging your arm or changing mouse settings. You can then do precision work with the mouse or even with the nipple itself just by using a lighter touch. In short, the "dynamic range" of a nipple is far superior to a touchpad. This is why I 3 it.

Re:lenovo already has ultralight... (1)

killerofkiller (1223786) | more than 6 years ago | (#22119492)

Are you serious? ask any thinkpad user and they will tell you that the trackpoint is superior to the trackpad

Re:lenovo already has ultralight... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22119130)

The third issue with the new spec, is that it is still VGA output instead of DVI output. Pretty much all modern monitors have DVI inputs, so I don't see the point of going with the old standard.
ThinkPads are heavily targeted at business users, who are far more likely to connect them to projectors than to hi-res monitors. Since lots of projectors don't have DVI, they'd have to carry a dongle all the time.

Re:lenovo already has ultralight... (1)

Nicky G (859089) | more than 6 years ago | (#22119142)

But it's more than twice as thick, and Apple is marketing the Air at people who want thin. Agree or disagree, but it's not a direct competitor at more than twice as thick.

Re:lenovo already has ultralight... (1)

Jeff DeMaagd (2015) | more than 6 years ago | (#22119194)

Trackpad/trackpoint is a matter of preference, they don't even function in similar regimes. No pointing device is for everyone. Sometimes I've used both within minutes of each other on my Compaq. I don't see it as one as so superior that the other shouldn't exist, I think that's a silly claim.

I agree on the flash drive, they're mostly hype with respect to weight, power and heat. Where a flash drive is beneficial is if it's dropped, the flash is more likely to stay.\

I'm not that convinced of the "wear leveling" algorithms that the drives have either, I'm not sure if the tests or algorithm reflects real-world use.

Re:lenovo already has ultralight... (1)

josephdrivein (924831) | more than 6 years ago | (#22119300)

I also have to ask what the point of including a touch pad is, when you have one of those "keyboard nipple" trackpoints. The trackpoints are so ridiculously and unambiguously superior to a touch pad, that it just seems like a waste of space.
Can you please elaborate? I've never seen anybody using the nipple. I attempted to use it more than once but it feels weird and it's really slow and imprecise.

Is there something to know to effectively use those things?

Comptetion for the Air? (1)

andreyw (798182) | more than 6 years ago | (#22119026)

Only if you intended to run your favorite FOSS *NIX or Windows on it in the first place.

For those looking for OS X in a similar form factor won't be buying the Thinkpad. I thought that to be obvious.

Dual Core CPU 2.0 Ghz / 880 Mhz ? (4, Funny)

FudRucker (866063) | more than 6 years ago | (#22119070)

why is one core 2.0 Ghz and the other 880 Mhz?

looks lopsided to me = O o

Re:Dual Core CPU 2.0 Ghz / 880 Mhz ? (1)

Schmool (809874) | more than 6 years ago | (#22119126)

Is that supposed to be funny? I can't tell without the mod points.

Re:Dual Core CPU 2.0 Ghz / 880 Mhz ? (1)

FudRucker (866063) | more than 6 years ago | (#22119184)

just curious, i never owned a dual core CPU, and never did any research on them, is this normal for one to be greater than the other?

Re:Dual Core CPU 2.0 Ghz / 880 Mhz ? (4, Informative)

dn15 (735502) | more than 6 years ago | (#22119216)

Dual-core CPUs are always (at least to my knowledge) the same speed in both cores. The "2.0 Ghz / 880 Mhz" would be indicating that the processor is 2GHz with an 880MHz bus.

Re:Dual Core CPU 2.0 Ghz / 880 Mhz ? (1)

Schmool (809874) | more than 6 years ago | (#22119232)

Not, it's not. The lesser number is the speed of the bus.

Re:Dual Core CPU 2.0 Ghz / 880 Mhz ? (2, Informative)

russlar (1122455) | more than 6 years ago | (#22119230)

2.0 GHz is the clock speed of each core. the 800 MHz is the front side bus.

on multi-core processors, each core runs at the same clock speed. unless one of the cores burns out, in which case its clock speed becomes 0.

The S-IPS T series holds that title. (1)

sethstorm (512897) | more than 6 years ago | (#22119114)

Nice, but like what they've done to the R/T series (without a suitable model out there that even comes close to the 2623DDU) is nearly unforgivable. That's where the title of "The ultimate Thinkpad", as you could get that quality you wanted.
Now you might as well just extend the warranty on an IPS T42p, R50p(unless you've done 1900x1200 screen work), or T60p. The models where you could get quality that you wanted seem not to exist thanks to them.

This is just another distraction.

Leaked? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22119252)

...Yeah right...

Non MS-Windows option needed (2, Insightful)

markdavis (642305) | more than 6 years ago | (#22119318)

Looks like a fantastic machine, could compete very well with the Sony TX ultra-small, full-powered laptops (models I have used for several years). The only thing obviously missing is the option to buy it with no OS and/or with Linux. Before someone cries about "Linux isn't ready" or "Linux isn't mainstream", I would stress the word *OPTION*. Let consumers decide what they want, if it means no OS, so be it... Lenovo doesn't HAVE to offer Linux support, although that would be even more courageous.

MS-Windows can be preinstalled but licensed separately, meaning there only has to be a single packaging, model, inventory, etc. They could even choose a free, redistributable Linux distro and install that too and the user can have a working machine in minutes, even if they opt to not spend money on Vista. Initialization of the machine can automatically remove the space consumed by either, based on the user's choice.

I kinda doubt Microsoft would allow such competition, though... but it seems a reasonable objective to combat such restrictions based on an anti-trust lawsuit.

Re:Non MS-Windows option needed (1)

sethstorm (512897) | more than 6 years ago | (#22119372)

They don't seem to mind much on warranty support, as long as it shows some evidence of booting up and working as it should. They do have a SuSE option if you haven't been paying attention lately.

Re:Non MS-Windows option needed (1)

markdavis (642305) | more than 6 years ago | (#22119452)

Most companies that do offer some type of Linux option rarely offer it on most of their models. Looking at the leaked specs, MS-Windows is mentioned, so this might be one of those models that have no other option. Personally, I would rather have a "no OS" option, so I can install what I want and save the money. Let them just include a bootable diagnostic DVD for use with warranty issues.

I don't really want to spend money on a commercial SuSE Linux (or Redhat Linux), since that isn't the Linux I would use. I suppose I would rather have the money go to SuSE rather than Microsoft, if given ONLY those two options. Or, like lots of people, if I am forced to pay for an OS (MS-Windows or SuSE), I would choose keep the MS-Windows as a "just in case", even though I would install Linux anyway and use that 99% of the time.

Re:Non MS-Windows option needed (1)

sethstorm (512897) | more than 6 years ago | (#22119634)

I would choose keep the MS-Windows as a "just in case", even though I would install Linux anyway and use that 99% of the time.
Unlike some manufacturers, they won't even mind if you do that. I wouldn't be surprised if an onsite tech knew well enough about it to not care what distribution was on there. Just burn the restore media (DVD or a few CD's), shrink it down to a manageable size, and do a reinstall off the/those disc(s).

Footprint vs. Thickness (3, Insightful)

setirw (854029) | more than 6 years ago | (#22119352)

I'm personally not a fan of ultraportable laptops with the footprints of ordinary laptops. If a laptop is going to be minimalistic, its manufacturer ought to go all the way. A subnotebook will never replicate the functionality of a typical 14" computer, so it's pointless to give it the footprint of one. I'd much rather see a diminished footprint than a minuscule thickness. I would personally prefer an updated version of my Thinkpad S30 [nifty.com] than this MacBook Air competitor.

Re:Footprint vs. Thickness (1)

Provocateur (133110) | more than 6 years ago | (#22119694)

Heh first Thinkpad I've seen that came with a rocket launcher. :)

Where'd you obtain the TP? Dynamism or Japan?

This thing is huge! (1)

Schmool (809874) | more than 6 years ago | (#22119458)

I just looked at the size of this monster:
W 12.52 x L 9.09 x D 0.73-0.92 inch

Compared to the MacBook Air:
12.8 x 8.94 x 0.16-0.76 inch

Volumetrically, two MacBook Airs fit into one of these!

(Thinkpad: 93.9 cub inches., MacBook Air: 52.6 cub inches.)

With that kind of space, Apple could've fitted a jet engine and Osama in hiding.

They weren't "leaked" (1)

iminplaya (723125) | more than 6 years ago | (#22119470)

That would mean it was unintentional. They were revealed in a press release. Poorly disguised maybe, but it was a press release. And my advice is to go with XP or the business edition. Works pretty good with less fluff.

Figures (4, Interesting)

nightfire-unique (253895) | more than 6 years ago | (#22119474)

Why is it every time you buy a new piece of hardware, the next day something cooler is announced? :)

I've owned various thinkpads since '98, and they have never let me down. I'm currently running a t21 (850mhz, 14.1" 1400x1050, 512mb) that's suffering from case fatigue. I bought it almost 7 years ago, and it's been running the same Debian/sid install the entire time. I use it for at least 6-8 hours a day (home machine) in all kinds of awkward positions (laying down, on the easy chair, etc)... it's travelled around the world, and to many a datacenter.

I did have to deal with IBM service once. At one point in 2003, I sent it to IBM (their cost) with what I believed to be a bad hard disk (I/O errors). After they ripped it open, they told that I'd spilled coffee in it.... I was quite upset at this as I didn't believe them, so they sent me pictures. At some point, probably while it was on the floor (I really abuse my machines), I must have kicked over a mostly empty cup of coffee or something.

After apologizing to them in a phone call, they explained to me that they didn't find anything immediately wrong with it at that point (it was booting), except the coffee spill. I told them about the I/O errors, and they ran a thorough scan, confirming the problem. Because the coffee was unlikely to have caused a disk failure, they offered to replace the drive, but after doing so, found that the problem persisted. It was the controller (or connector)... and, to my astonishment, I received an email later that day along the lines of: "Sir, we just need to get you back up and running. You're a long-time valued customer, so we're going to replace whatever parts need to be replaced."

3 days later, an express shipped package arrived with what used to be my laptop - 90% of the components had been replaced (except, amazingly, the original hard drive, which was fine). I was floored, and wrote a quick thank you note to the CSR's boss.

Here I am, 5 years later, with the same machine chugging away. I can't even hazard a guess to how many hours it has on it. It's starting to make funny noises, and 850mhz just ain't cuttin it anymore. :) Time for a new box.

While I did take a good look at various others (dell, hp, acer) - some of which less than half the price - I eventually settled on a refurbished t43p (2.13ghz, 2gb ram, 1400x1050). I want the trackpoint, and 3 mouse buttons. I want the rigid case. I want the support (we'll see how Lenovo does) and I want the well tested, mature components (particularly for Linux). Can't wait!

Not comparable in many ways (1)

Cannelloni (969195) | more than 6 years ago | (#22119498)

"If this is true, then Lenovo looks to have some heavy competition for the Macbook Air." Not really. The Lenovo thing doesn't have Mac OS X. It has a completely different target audience. It also lacks style. But is does have all the ports and stuff I would like in the MacBook Air, I'll give it that. Credit where credit is due. But what I really want is a Sony Vaio TZ with Mac OS X.

What's all the fuss about? (1)

sshambar (542567) | more than 6 years ago | (#22119516)

I bought a Sony Vaio G1 about a year ago, and it beats the pants off the Air and X300 for "featherweight with features":

Dual-layer DVD writer, 11 hour battery (I get about 8 hrs, swappable), wifi/g, ethernet, modem, multi-flash reader, pcmcia, bluetooth, 12in screen, 80GB, phones/mic plugs, usb2, even fingerprint reader! Everything you need short of a camera (wish it had one for skype...)

In a carbon-fiber case at 2.46lbs... a year ago!

An *yes* I installed OSX on it :) (as well as XP, came with Vaisto :P) Drop the optical, you're http://www.dynamism.com/g2/main.shtml -- which adds firewire, 2 cores (same weight, longer batt life!)

Don't know what all the fuss is with these "new" featherweights, they're a little late to the game, and missing some key features: no optical!? Don't see feature details on X300, but Air is also missing swappable battery (or v. long batt life), no ethernet (enjoy you're slow file transfers), no firewire, card slots (hardly any ports really).

Nice try... play again soon!

Re:What's all the fuss about? (1)

Schmool (809874) | more than 6 years ago | (#22119582)

It's not about weight, it's about thickness.

The Sony Vaio G1 is an inch thick.

Sorry, you don't get to play.

10.9(W) x 8.46(L) x 0.93-1.00(H) [inch]
277 x 215 x 23.5-25.5 [mm]

hmmm (1)

thatskinnyguy (1129515) | more than 6 years ago | (#22119638)

If it has a wired NIC it already has +1 on the Macbook Air.
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