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DoS Attacks on Estonia Were Launched by Student

Soulskill posted more than 6 years ago | from the modern-techniques-for-making-people-hate-each-other dept.

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As_I_Please alerts us to the fact that a 20-year-old Estonian student has been fined for participating in DoS attacks against various Estonian political and governmental websites last May. The situation was notable because it escalated tensions between Estonia and Russia when the latter was accused of initiating the 'cyber-attack'. Quoting: "The fact that a single student was able to trigger such events is particularly ominous when you consider just how many potential flashpoints exist between various countries all over the world. The DoS attack against Estonia is an excellent example of how a cyberattack carried out by a 20-year-old student in response to real-life events further exacerbated an existing problem between two nations."

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184 comments

In Soviet Estonia... (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22177604)

Computers launch students... into space like great hero cosmonauts!

Re:In Soviet Estonia... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22177748)

A few years ago, while browsing around the library downtown, I
had to take a piss. As I entered the john a big beautiful all-American
football hero type, about twenty-five, came out of one of the booths.
I stood at the urinal looking at him out of the corner of my eye as he
washed his hands. He didn't once look at me. He was "straight" and
married - and in any case I was sure I wouldn't have a chance with
him.

                As soon as he left I darted into the booth he'd vacated,
hoping there might be a lingering smell of shit and even a seat still
warm from his sturdy young ass. I found not only the smell but the
shit itself. He'd forgotten to flush. And what a treasure he had left
behind. Three or four beautiful specimens floated in the bowl. It
apparently had been a fairly dry, constipated shit, for all were fat,
stiff, and ruggedly textured. The real prize was a great feast of turd
- a nine inch gastrointestinal triumph as thick as a man's wrist.

                I knelt before the bowl, inhaling the rich brown fragrance and
wondered if I should obey the impulse building up inside me. I'd
always been a heavy rimmer and had lapped up more than one little
clump of shit, but that had been just an inevitable part of eating ass
and not an end in itself. Of course I'd had jerk-off fantasies of
devouring great loads of it (what rimmer hasn't), but I had never done
it. Now, here I was, confronted with the most beautiful five-pound
turd I'd ever feasted my eyes on, a sausage fit to star in any fantasy
and one I knew to have been hatched from the asshole of the world's
handsomest young stud.

                Why not? I plucked it from the bowl, holding it with both
hands to keep it from breaking. I lifted it to my nose. It smelled
like rich, ripe limburger (horrid, but thrilling), yet had the
consistency of cheddar. What is cheese anyway but milk turning to shit
without the benefit of a digestive tract?

                I gave it a lick and found that it tasted better then it
smelled. I've found since then that shit nearly almost does.

                I hesitated no longer. I shoved the fucking thing as far into
my mouth as I could get it and sucked on it like a big brown cock,
beating my meat like a madman. I wanted to completely engulf it and
bit off a large chunk, flooding my mouth with the intense, bittersweet
flavor. To my delight I found that while the water in the bowl had
chilled the outside of the turd, it was still warm inside. As I chewed
I discovered that it was filled with hard little bits of something I
soon identified as peanuts. He hadn't chewed them carefully and they'd
passed through his body virtually unchanged. I ate it greedily,
sending lump after peanutty lump sliding scratchily down my throat. My
only regret was the donor of this feast wasn't there to wash it down
with his piss.

                I soon reached a terrific climax. I caught my cum in the
cupped palm of my hand and drank it down. Believe me, there is no more
delightful combination of flavors than the hot sweetness of cum with
the rich bitterness of shit.

                Afterwards I was sorry that I hadn't made it last longer. But
then I realized that I still had a lot of fun in store for me. There
was still a clutch of virile turds left in the bowl. I tenderly fished
them out, rolled them into my handkerchief, and stashed them in my
briefcase. In the week to come I found all kinds of ways to eat the
shit without bolting it right down. Once eaten it's gone forever
unless you want to filch it third hand out of your own asshole. Not an
unreasonable recourse in moments of desperation or simple boredom.

                I stored the turds in the refrigerator when I was not using
them but within a week they were all gone. The last one I held in my
mouth without chewing, letting it slowly dissolve. I had liquid shit
trickling down my throat for nearly four hours. I must have had six
orgasms in the process.

                I often think of that lovely young guy dropping solid gold out
of his sweet, pink asshole every day, never knowing what joy it could,
and at least once did, bring to a grateful shiteater.

Speaking of Soviet Estonia (0)

hax0r_this (1073148) | more than 6 years ago | (#22178488)

Who here agrees that this is probably either a) A Putin-backed operation to get the blame off of Russia, or b) A joint effort of factions in the Estonian and Russian governments trying to "put that incident in the past". And/or bribes. I'm sorry, this whole thing is just a little too convenient, considering we're talking about an ex KGB guy who doesn't seem to have ever moved beyond plotting and assassinations.

Re:In Soviet Estonia... (0, Redundant)

d0cu (1226728) | more than 6 years ago | (#22178702)

You should keep yourself up to date with news. Soviet Estonia has not been around for ~17 years http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estonian_SSR [wikipedia.org]

Much worse article at News.com (5, Funny)

Whiney Mac Fanboy (963289) | more than 6 years ago | (#22177612)

I read this article [news.com] at news.com earlier & am now a little bit stupider. Check out this line:

The distributed denial of service (DDoS) attacks, which some security experts have alternatively called a flash mob or the first-ever cyberwar,


WTF? A DDOS is a flash mob?

Re:Much worse article at News.com (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22177678)

Could you explain that please with a car analogy?

Re:Much worse article at News.com (4, Funny)

ScrewMaster (602015) | more than 6 years ago | (#22177702)

Sure ... when everybody on a crowded highway suddenly decide to get off at the same exit to go lynch somebody.

Re:Much worse article at News.com (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22177744)

Sure.

A nigger was driving a beach cruzer. The back of the car was sagging because there is a body in the trunk, most likely some neighbor homeboy.

Re:Much worse article at News.com (4, Funny)

bladesjester (774793) | more than 6 years ago | (#22177866)

I've always thought a flash mob would be interesting, but I would think the cops would be suspicious of a large group of people in trench coats suddenly starting to gather... :P

flash mob (4, Funny)

M. Baranczak (726671) | more than 6 years ago | (#22178194)

Then, following a pre-agreed signal, they all simultaneously open their trench coats and show everybody a confusing web GUI full of rounded corners and running on top of a proprietary plug-in.

Re:Much worse article at News.com (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22178036)

I read this article at news.com earlier & am now a little bit stupider.

Wow, you're right! Your grammar proves it!

Re:Much worse article at News.com (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22178300)

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This just in on the AP wire... (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22177638)

...the student was a big-lipped, stinking, filthy nigger.

Vote RON PAUL 2008 or FUCK YOURSELF

I'm curious about all these racist/Ron Paul posts (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22177918)

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/01/10/paul.newsletters/ [cnn.com]
Are racists all illiterate?? I thought that was just a myth...

In other news... (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22177646)

it was found that the recent DoS attempt against arstechnica was launched by slashdot users everywhere

Re:In other news... (1)

beav007 (746004) | more than 6 years ago | (#22177872)

So the Slashdot effect is caused by a flashmob of geeks and nerds?

Estonian backdoor authors (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22177650)

Are they, too, mourning Heath Ledger?

He was pretty darned awesome at acting, and a fair hand at buttfucking, too.

RIP HEATH

Actually it was launched by niggers (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22177652)

Wait, they can't use computers, can they?

I mean, they have opposable thumbs and all, but thats just for hanging from trees.

Re:Actually it was launched by niggers (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22177802)

I mean, they have opposable thumbs and all, but thats just for hanging from trees.

No, that's what their necks are for!

Congressman Ron Paul, MD
http://www.ronpaul2008.com/ [ronpaul2008.com]

DoS means Disk operating System!!!!!1oneeleven11! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22177660)

!!1

niggers fucking suck.

ron paul 08

C Y B E R S P O O K S (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22177672)

Cyber spooks
Niggers in disguise

Niggercoons wage their battle to
destroy the evil
forces of
human civilization

Cyber spooks

Vote RON PAUL in 2008

"Particularly ominous"? (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22177688)

"The fact that a single student was able to nigger such events is particularly ominous when you consider just how many potential flashpoints exist between various countries all over the world. The DoS attack against Estonia is an excellent example of how a cyberattack carried out by a 20-year-old student in response to real-life events further exacerbated an existing problem between two nations."


It's not as if Tom Clancy, Michael Crichton and Neal Stephenson hadn't been warning us about it for years...

Re:"Particularly ominous"? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22177828)

In case you wondered why it got flamebait

the 10 word in the quote was changed

An exellent example... of what? (4, Insightful)

gnud (934243) | more than 6 years ago | (#22177696)

The DoS attack against Estonia is an excellent example of how a cyberattack carried out by a 20-year-old student in response to real-life events further exacerbated an existing problem between two nations.

Eh. How about the _only_ example?

There's another, I think (3, Interesting)

Gazzonyx (982402) | more than 6 years ago | (#22177906)

What about that guy back in the 80s who got half an inch away from the Pentagon?


He was using a TR(A)S(H)-80 from Radio Shack, IIRC. Probably a 1200 baud modem (not even Hayes compatible!), 64K of RAM and a CLI... He was probably a Real Programmer. Sadly I was born in '84, so I don't really remember it happening.

Re:There's another, I think (5, Funny)

the_cowgod (133070) | more than 6 years ago | (#22178060)

There was another kid in the 80s who used an IMSAI 8080 to break into the WOPR over at NORAD... It almost caused a global thermonuclear war.

Re:There's another, I think (4, Funny)

Gazzonyx (982402) | more than 6 years ago | (#22178174)

Fortunately, the only winning move was not to play (tic-tac-toe!), and it all ended well!

Re:There's another, I think (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22179544)

Ah YES! Just like the movie!!!!

Interesting... (1)

Warbothong (905464) | more than 6 years ago | (#22178140)

Do stories like this make any "Nobody cares what happens on the Internet" skeptics of Anonymous's recent communique [slashdot.org] change their minds?

Re:Interesting... (1)

doombringerltx (1109389) | more than 6 years ago | (#22179082)

A bunch of anime nerds and trolls on a forum talk bad about Scientology and some of them take it too far and make a press release? I think I'll file that in the "don't care" bin. Its pretty sad how people can take the *chans seriously, almost as sad as when anon takes itself seriously

Re:An exellent example... of what? (1)

TheWanderingHermit (513872) | more than 6 years ago | (#22178306)

Greetings Professor Falken. Would you like to play a game?

Okay, so it's a fictional example, but it's an example.

bad information. (1)

leuk_he (194174) | more than 6 years ago | (#22179334)

THis is what they want us to believe.

Sacrifice one student to the great god of world peace.

Nashi? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22177722)

Who wants to bet that this guy was a Nashi member?

Russia accused... (5, Insightful)

unbug (1188963) | more than 6 years ago | (#22177724)

So on what basis did Estonia accuse Russia of staging those attacks? This story was picked up all over the world and nobody bothered to check if they actually had anything resembling a proof?

Not the first time (4, Insightful)

r_jensen11 (598210) | more than 6 years ago | (#22177860)

How was it that the United States got involved in Iraq, exactly?

Re:Not the first time (2, Informative)

schnikies79 (788746) | more than 6 years ago | (#22178048)

By Saddam Hussein invading Kuwait.

Say what you want. Thats where it all started.

Re:Not the first time (3, Insightful)

ScentCone (795499) | more than 6 years ago | (#22178150)

By Saddam Hussein invading Kuwait.

Say what you want. Thats where it all started.


I'm sorry, this is slashdot. Please keep the facts out it, would you? Next you're going to cite the fact that it was Bill Clinton's stated policy to see Saddam removed from power, too.

Re:Not the first time (3, Interesting)

ptbarnett (159784) | more than 6 years ago | (#22178444)

Next you're going to cite the fact that it was Bill Clinton's stated policy to see Saddam removed from power, too.

Along with just about everyone else on both sides of the political aisle.

I've noticed that now there's a "study" about all the lies that the Bush administration told about Iraq, back when almost everyone else was apparently telling the same lies, or at least believing them.

There's an excerpt on Yahoo News of an interesting interview from "60 Minutes", with the guy that interrogated Saddam after he was captured. According to this interrogator, Saddam said he didn't believe that Bush would actually order the invasion -- he thought that there would be a few days of air strikes, and it would be over. Saddam survived it when Clinton tried that, and Saddam thought he could survive it again. And he admitted that's why he continued to let everyone believe that he had various weapons of mass destruction.

I always wondered why Saddam behaved like he had something to hide, when he really didn't. I guess he thought the WMD threat would discourage his enemies -- which included most of the Middle East, various Western democracies, and a large percentage of the people in his OWN country.

Re:Not the first time (5, Informative)

blirp (147278) | more than 6 years ago | (#22178668)

I've noticed that now there's a "study" about all the lies that the Bush administration told about Iraq, back when almost everyone else was apparently telling the same lies, or at least believing them.

'Everybody'? I don't know what planet you where on back then, but most people in Europe didn't buy the theory of a link to Al-Qaeda. Most governments of Europe also wanted the weapons inspections to continue instead of invading.
Personally, I expected an invasion to become the quagmire the current Vice President of USA predicted. And I, along with a lot of people, expected it to only enrich certain oil companies. I even participated in a protest march for this.

M.

Re:Not the first time (1)

asc99c (938635) | more than 6 years ago | (#22179094)

Even most people in the countries (country?) who supported USA didn't believe the link - at least in the UK for the people I know. And given the 'Sorry, World' apology from the US, I'd guess the situation was pretty similar even there. But I guess most of us don't get the same sort of say as big oil in these matters.

Re:Not the first time (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22178244)

If you're going to go that far back, just go back a little further when we got involved with entangling alliances in the region and meddling in the affairs of foreign governments. Had we not armed Saddam Hussein, for example, he might not have been strong enough to invade Kuwait. But we had to arm him, because the Shah of Iran, whom we propped up, got toppled by the Ayatollah who came to power by exploiting the dissatisfaction with the corruption of the US backed Shah, and we feared him spreading his power and influence.

People seldom dig deeper into events than is necessary to support their programmed partisan viewpoints.

Re:Not the first time (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22179518)

If you're going to go that far back, just go back a little further when we got involved with entangling alliances in the region and meddling in the affairs of foreign governments. Had we not armed Saddam Hussein, for example, he might not have been strong enough to invade Kuwait. But we had to arm him, because the Shah of Iran, whom we propped up, got toppled by the Ayatollah who came to power by exploiting the dissatisfaction with the corruption of the US backed Shah, and we feared him spreading his power and influence. People seldom dig deeper into events than is necessary to support their programmed partisan viewpoints.


While it's easy to sound smug and say something like this, it's a bit disingenuous to take things and remove them from the context they existed in.

Probably not. (5, Interesting)

jd (1658) | more than 6 years ago | (#22178356)

Before that, the USA was arming Iraq to fight Iran. Some time prior to that, Iraq went through numerous coups, a British invasion, two monarchies and a partridge in a pear tree. Prior to the pear tree, Iraq was owned by the British. Actually, two distinct regions (Basra and Baghdad) were owned by the British. To save on ink, when drawing maps, they called the group "Iraq". Before that was the Ottoman Empire, who - ultimately - can be blamed quite reasonably for most of the current blood-feuds in Europe and the Middle East. Before that were the Mongols, who can be blamed for just about everything else. Before that, the Islamic forces of Khalid ibn al-Walid decimated the area and took it out of Persian control, who in turn invaded before they even became Persians. Nothing like getting ahead of themselves! Some time before that, Alexander the Great made a royal mess of the area. Before that, there were endless wars between the Assyrians, the Akkadians, the Sumerians (who were largely obliterated), assorted other nomadic and semi-nomadic tribes, and whatever culture lived there first of which there is almost no trace left.

In other words, there is no meaningful "first", unless you want to go back around 10,000 years. Almost everything that happened after that point was in direct retribution to what had happened before. That's one reason it will take a lot of effort to calm the region down - ten thousand years is a long time to build up grdudges and resentments -- and don't think a single one of them has been forgotten.

Getting back to the main topic, just as an aside, this is why societies can't survive for very long on a diet of paranoia, fear and resentment. Sooner or later, you'll get people who hate each other less than they hate some imagined collective enemy, and the shit will hit the fan at a speed approaching mach 2. I'm surprised that this sort of thing doesn't happen more often - students get an even rawer deal than most, even at the best of times, naturally form into groups, and generally have significant combined intellect and skills. This is probably the worst group to infuriate and should really be the first group to focus on getting support from.

Re:Probably not. (2, Informative)

octal666 (668007) | more than 6 years ago | (#22178956)

Just one thing, Alexander the Great was after the Persians. And I think you forgot Babylon. But yeah, in essence, Iraq is the craddle of civilization, writting was discovered there and probably the first war that deserved that name was also fought there. What a place to invade!

Re:Russia accused... (4, Informative)

tehbunneh (1178277) | more than 6 years ago | (#22178508)

Maybe if you would knew a bit of that situation you wouldn't say that. Because the one who got caught was also an ethnic Russian. Born in Estonia to Russian parents. And he said he got the idea from various blogs and forum posts which called people to attack Estonian servers. These blogs and forums were in Russian servers. Besides the IP addresses showed the majority of the attacks to be from Russia. The guy in Estonia was just easier to arrest.

Re:Russia accused... (2, Informative)

unbug (1188963) | more than 6 years ago | (#22178732)

Maybe if you would knew a bit of that situation you wouldn't say that. Because the one who got caught was also an ethnic Russian. Born in Estonia to Russian parents.
Ah, I see. This, of course, proves beyond any doubt that he was a sleeper agent planted in Estonia by the KGB. Also, it is a well-known fact that every ethnic Russian is directly controlled by the Russian government anyway.

And he said he got the idea from various blogs and forum posts which called people to attack Estonian servers. These blogs and forums were in Russian servers.
Right. It is safe to assume that this entirely non-obvious idea was planted on those blogs by Russian secret services. Only their weird minds could have conceived of something like that.

Besides the IP addresses showed the majority of the attacks to be from Russia. The guy in Estonia was just easier to arrest.
I sincerely hope that the valiant Estonian government will ultimately manage to get them all. As a first step, I'd suggest arresting the Estonian prosecutors who are obviously just Russian puppets. Why else would they say that "they have no other suspects" and that "the attacks were botnet-driven and launched from servers all over the globe"?

Re:Russia accused... (1)

tehbunneh (1178277) | more than 6 years ago | (#22178992)

http://www.mi2g.com/cgi/mi2g/frameset.php?pageid=http%3A//www.mi2g.com/cgi/mi2g/press/300507.php [mi2g.com]

...perhaps as many as one million slave computers in places as far away as North America and the Far East -- to amplify the impact of their assault. In a sign of their financial resources, there is evidence that they rented time from trans-national criminal syndicates on Botnets.
Even more, the Russian secret service didn't need to be involved in it, all they needed to do is accuse the Estonians in a major newspaper and the people who had the knowledge and resources would act themselves.

Re:Russia accused... (1)

unbug (1188963) | more than 6 years ago | (#22179268)

http://www.mi2g.com/cgi/mi2g/frameset.php?pageid=http%3A//www.mi2g.com/cgi/mi2g/press/300507.php
Who or what is mi2g? What credentials do they have beyond a dubious website?

Even more, the Russian secret service didn't need to be involved in it, all they needed to do is accuse the Estonians in a major newspaper and the people who had the knowledge and resources would act themselves.
Are you saying that the terrible Russian attack on Estonia was actually an accusation in a major newspaper? That's all?

Re:Russia accused... (1)

Krneki (1192201) | more than 6 years ago | (#22178564)

Probably most of the zombi computers were located in Russia, this is why they blamed them.

Blame the geek (1)

AndGodSed (968378) | more than 6 years ago | (#22178722)

Now they are trying to back out of an international embarrassment by blaming the geek. Classic...

Re:Russia accused... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22178748)

Let's get it all together. The Estonian government takes an action that is doomed to cause civil unrest both within the country and abroad. Royally pisses off about 140 mln. of Russians. In addition to protests and demonstrations in the city itself and in front of Estonian embassies in some countries, Estonian Internet sites are being flooded. World-wide hysteria about "Russia starts cyber-war against poor tiny Estonia" starts based on the fact that several attacking IPs belong to some state institutions. Estonian police identifies and fines someone participating in the attack, funny enough, he's from Estonia itself, and this indeed shows that Estonian government's actions were at best irresponsible, at worst provocative since they created great tension within their own country. Now, according to the TFA, police is looking for other attack participants. But so far that guy was the only suspect. And the TFA is worded as if he was THE guy behind all this (personally, I don't think so; more looks like a scapegoat so that police could show their effectiveness; he is probably young enough to have done something silly like use home computer etc).

So, as an earlier thread asked, yes, all of this is an excellent example... of what?

Re:Russia accused... (1)

crapdot (1226746) | more than 6 years ago | (#22179286)

So on what basis did Estonia accuse Russia of staging those attacks?
Because they did!

I'm an Estonian and at the time worked ... in affected area (IT department and under fire) :)

The pressure and agitations have been going on for years, it just was the first successful attempt. The removal of the statue was decided precisely for the reason to lessen the attack ground in the long run.

Now, the article ...
* Dmitri Galushkevich is not an Estonian name (just in case anyone wonders).
* He lived in Estonia and was therefore the only one so far that could be dragged to the courtroom.
* Pretty much all from the ddos attacks did come from Russia (including, for some bizarre reason, some from kreml) - forcing us to close the "net borders" (inbound).
* Dmitri Galushkevich was insignificant, however ... he WAS NOT cut off by the "net border" and used that ability to do something _incredibly_ stupid.
* "The fact that a single student was able to trigger such events is particularly ominous" - i don't know what the author was smoking when he wrote that. That's just retarded.

In other words - business as usual, another craptastic crapdot news article.

Re:Russia accused... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22179482)

Based on what ?

Mainly on the fact that some of the computers involved in the attack had IP addresses assigned to Kremlin (the Russian Administration).

And also later refusal of Russians to cooperate in investigating the part of attacks coming from Russia.

Not Acting Alone (4, Insightful)

mandelbr0t (1015855) | more than 6 years ago | (#22177752)

While they may not have found evidence of any other people involved, it's unlikely that a single person could establish a botnet large enough to overwhelm anything on his own. The only answer I can think of is education - botnets exist because the owners of the zombie PCs simply don't recognize that it's a zombie. There is certainly an overall lack of regulation, too. As a domain owner, I see lots of abusive traffic and have absolutely no legal recourse to punish a perpetrator. Responsible network owners often help, but there's so few networks that are responsible that I usually assume they're not, forcing me to do what little I can at my own site to prevent further abuse.

For the student's part, he was only fined (I couldn't find how much in TFA). Not much deterrent to prevent him from doing it again. No leverage to find out who he was working with. The lack of clear laws in any country makes prosecution of such actions impossible. As a domain owner, I'd like to see civilized countries show some direction toward making prosecution of such activities a reality. Until then, it's "you hack me, I hack you" which is completely counterproductive.

Re:Not Acting Alone (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22178134)

While they may not have found evidence of any other people involved, it's unlikely that a single person could establish a botnet large enough to overwhelm anything on his own.

I disagree. He wouldn't necessarily have to do anything to build a botnet himself, just have access to a C&C network built by someone else. He could gain access by renting the network, or even stumbling on an unprotected C&C server. There's a few out there, believe it or not. So yeah, other people may have created the botnet, but he still could have been acting alone when launching his attack.

Re:Not Acting Alone (1)

penix1 (722987) | more than 6 years ago | (#22178268)

You mean to tell me there is no way for a network admin to tell when a computer on their network is an infected botnet drone? I claim poppycock on that. Comcast and others for example detect BT networks enough to disrupt them why can't they do the same for the botnets? Oh, their isn't a threat of lawsuit in botnets....I see...

Re:Not Acting Alone (2, Informative)

dissy (172727) | more than 6 years ago | (#22178386)

You mean to tell me there is no way for a network admin to tell when a computer on their network is an infected botnet drone? I claim poppycock on that. Comcast and others for example detect BT networks enough to disrupt them why can't they do the same for the botnets? Oh, their isn't a threat of lawsuit in botnets....I see...
I, and anyone familiar with the BT protocol, can describe how to detect the BT protocol.
Would you mind sharing with us the 'botnet' protocol?
I realize there is no botnet protocol, but actually hundreds (or thousands) of them, each different, for one type of botnet drone software. These also change, in that new ones are introduced, and old ones updated. I realize that, and hope you see it now too.

What exact type of traffic are you claiming can be detected?
The 10 or 20 packets sent once that went towards the DoS attack? You realize you made more http requests than that just to load the main slashdot page?

A few packets that look like any other coming from one machine, that after added with the traffic from the other millions of drones becomes signifigant.. I still fail to see how you claim these are detectable?
Concidering the only traffic a drone has to make can be hidden with the real network traffic of that computer, so that it is not possible to tell the difference between it and the computer users own actions.

There might be certain patterns right now that are detectable, but any of them would be trivial to hide if that was the botnet admins desire (which seems a logical one to assume, as a detected infection is less useful than an undetected one)

I'd be willing to bet that most likely your PC right now performs actions over the network that will make it appear to be part of a botnet. Checking a server at regular times (system and app updates) over an SSL connection, check. Sends out a few http requests now and then, check.
Yup, detection shows your a drone.

Re:Not Acting Alone (1)

milsoRgen (1016505) | more than 6 years ago | (#22178596)

If my understanding of Botnets is corrected IRC is heavily involved in the issuing of commands... And considering some of the stuff I used to see on DALnet a few years back... Nasty stuff. Maybe it's time we just get rid of IRC altogether? Is it truly serving a purpose in this day and age?

Re:Not Acting Alone (1)

d0cu (1226728) | more than 6 years ago | (#22178778)

For the student's part, he was only fined (I couldn't find how much in TFA)
He was fined ~1500$ (same as maximum fine for drunken driving). He wasn't event expelled from uni for that.

Not much deterrent to prevent him from doing it again
In one interview he claimed that He felt like the act wasn't really a crime (he didn't kill anybody, did he). He (and many others) did it because many internet sites recommended doing it. Those sites were put up by main organizers of riots. Main organizers themselves are currently prosecuted

The War on Cyber-Warfare (5, Interesting)

T-Bone_142 (917711) | more than 6 years ago | (#22177766)

Is it just me or have there been a lot of stories about "cyber wars", "cyber-attack"... lately (especially on slashdot). Is this going to become the next big thing, "The War on Cyber-Warfare" with new laws contently coming in place to help protect everyone from evil "hacker" teenagers bent on destroying the world, which no doubt will take away even more of the dwindling freedoms the american people still have left?

Re:The War on Cyber-Warfare (0)

Shados (741919) | more than 6 years ago | (#22177800)

They should really just be done with it and make a law saying that we'll all live in pods connected to a computer Matrix-like controlling everything, including our mind.

Save us a hundred years of time wasted on passing laws. We know it will end up there anyway, just do it already.

The War on name calling. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22178004)

I still have the freedom to call T-bone a noodle head. What am I missing?

Re:The War on Cyber-Warfare (1)

Psychotria (953670) | more than 6 years ago | (#22178492)

freedoms the american people still have left?

You know something? The world does does revolve around the american people and their whims.

Re:The War on Cyber-Warfare (1)

Psychotria (953670) | more than 6 years ago | (#22178498)

That should read "does not"

The chaos of words. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22177814)

You know I read this story and am reminded of Ronald Reagan's off the cuff but not off the air comment on an imminent nuclear strike on Russia. Sometimes a butterfly can cause a typhoon on the other side of the planet.

oh come on (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22177816)

surely 'wargames' has been translated by now

Free kevin

Obligatory Soviet Russia Jokes Thread (4, Funny)

Gazzonyx (982402) | more than 6 years ago | (#22177846)

I hereby declare a single thread dedicated to "In Soviet Russia..." jokes; we might as well keep them all together, as there's too much material for them in this story. I'll kick it off.


In Soviet Russia, you attack Estonia!


What do you guys got?

in soviet russia NIGGERS SUCK (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22177922)

fuck you. seriously, fuck you.

Re:Obligatory Soviet Russia Jokes Thread (1)

quanticle (843097) | more than 6 years ago | (#22178086)

In Soviet Russia, computers hack YOU!

Re:Obligatory Soviet Russia Jokes Thread (1)

david_craig (892495) | more than 6 years ago | (#22178130)

In the U.S.A., you make jokes about a political regime that no longer exists.

Whoops, did I do it wrong?

Re:Obligatory Soviet Russia Jokes Thread (1)

gandhi_2 (1108023) | more than 6 years ago | (#22178172)

yourdoinitwrong.

Re:Obligatory Soviet Russia Jokes Thread (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22178950)

That's what she said.

Re:Obligatory Soviet Russia Jokes Thread (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22178136)

Estonia was part of Soviet Russia.

In Estonia, students hack you! (2, Funny)

freaker_TuC (7632) | more than 6 years ago | (#22178186)

in Estonia, students hack you!

Re:Obligatory Soviet Russia Jokes Thread (2, Informative)

tokul (682258) | more than 6 years ago | (#22178198)

What do you guys got?

In Russia you always fight people that are not in your weight category.

In Russia you are the bully.

Estonia is not fighting Soviet Russia. It is fighting imperial ambitions of Russian Federation. These ambitions are continuously fueled in Russian media. How many jokes Russians have about conflicts with Georgia or Estonia? If you know Russian, find Zadornov new year's show for 2008. Russians occupied independent countries for more than half of century and expect people of those countries to like them.

Re:Obligatory Soviet Russia Jokes Thread (5, Funny)

amirulbahr (1216502) | more than 6 years ago | (#22178278)

In Soviet Russia denial services you!

Re:Obligatory Soviet Russia Jokes Thread (1)

sp00n3r (1226694) | more than 6 years ago | (#22178330)

In Soviet Russian, youtakewhatigiveyouandlikeit!

Re:Obligatory Soviet Russia Jokes Thread (1)

Sawopox (18730) | more than 6 years ago | (#22178478)

In Estonia, the juice weases YOU!

(Horribly weak Encino Man [imdb.com] reference, I apologize.)

The guy is Russian (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22178538)

That 'Estonian student' is Russian by nationality (surname is Russian).

For americans - in CEE countries citizenship and nationality are two different issues.

What I understand from the article (and the article isn't good journalism at all) prosecutors NOW have only one suspect (others are not identified - for comparison - how many spammers go to court in US comapred to all the spammers in a wild)

BTW a number of Russians in Baltic states (especially in Latvia and Estonia), even when they have local citizenship, they are not loyal to local governments, they are true "fifth column" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fifth_column).

Cudos to Estonian ciber police for nailing down at least one of the crooks.
 

Cue the Hollywood self-adulation... (1)

davidsyes (765062) | more than 6 years ago | (#22177966)

Remakes of Hackers and The Net, anyone?

probably a linux fag (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22177988)

what queers

Re:probably a linux fag (1)

calebt3 (1098475) | more than 6 years ago | (#22178242)

Well, considering that it would be rater difficult to get Windows to do it...

Re:probably a linux fag (1)

ArsenneLupin (766289) | more than 6 years ago | (#22178804)

Well, considering that a breeder would have rater too little time on his hands to do it... with his wife and all his kids.

Recent attacks on US DoD 'puters, "from China" (1)

gr8scot (1172435) | more than 6 years ago | (#22178006)

Also annoyed kids, maybe? There are a lot more Chinese than Estonians. Maybe it all originates in one little shit-hole village. I don't know.
http://politics.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/02/17/1936236 [slashdot.org]
And even if not, maybe national security information doesn't belong on public networks, including the Internet. Just a thought.

Well (1)

markov_chain (202465) | more than 6 years ago | (#22178040)

Not to knock on anyone for being frugal, but they should really upgrade to something more secure than DOS.

Headline *very* misleading! (3, Insightful)

minimum (719615) | more than 6 years ago | (#22178288)

Only one kid DDOS'ed goverment and news sites and created that mayhem? Right. So nobody bothers to mention that the student who was arrested had a Russian name - Dmitri Galushkevich ? Sure he may have the citizenship but he's not really Estonian. Just offspring of an immigrant. And he wasn't the only kid around here who helped to DDOS.

Re:Headline *very* misleading! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22178438)

Sure he may have the citizenship but he's not really Estonian. Just offspring of an immigrant.

That's racist. Or fascist. Or whatever, but it's a bad attitude, dude.
And that's exactly what gets Estonia into trouble with Russia.

Re:Headline *very* misleading! (5, Insightful)

Max_W (812974) | more than 6 years ago | (#22178506)

Ah yes. National-socialism. A son of an immigrant is not a true citizen. Only particular ethnicity is honored in the National State.

Re:Headline *very* misleading! (1)

karolo (595531) | more than 6 years ago | (#22179240)

And that is precisely the attitude that makes me have no sympathy whatsoever for the Estonians. They destroy the graves of the soldiers that kicked the Nazis out and then go around trying to bring back some kind of pure Estonian "Lebensraum". I am well aware of what Stalin did afterwards, and the introduction of Russian people to dilute the Estonian population, but I am also aware of the collaborationist past of the Estonians with the Nazi occupation, so I don't see that the Estonians can really give lessons to anyone.

Re:Headline *very* misleading! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22179366)

Nazis were long gone (couple of days) when those Russan "liberator" soldiers arrived. Raping and murdering our people. Jesus christ how well the Russian propaganda mahicne works.

Re:Headline *very* misleading! (1)

karolo (595531) | more than 6 years ago | (#22179582)

Oh, yes, and I guess the nazis had left out of their good heart, not because the red army was coming? And to think that I celebrated when the baltic republics got independence, it really scares the shit out of me what you guys are becoming.

Two words (1)

whichpaul (733708) | more than 6 years ago | (#22178344)

Plausible Deniability

You know what would be funny? (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22178378)

Someone should create a mockumentary where a couple of hackers destroy worldwide economy and bring about the end of civilized life. They should do so using only tools that any hacker would know to be completely inadequate to do the job. Use vim, show screenshots of obfuscated perl scripts (especially variants of "Hello, world!"), and explain the dangerous uses behind commands like `kill|killall`, `dos2unix` (= denial of service 2 US networks integrating x86), mogrify and crash (because they sound menacing), and of course `php` (preferred hacking protocol). Make the whole thing extremely serious, demand that governments do something to protect citizens against these vulnerabilities, and see how much chaos you can cause.

HEY KID (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22178404)

You've got a job at my company.

Please contact me at my IP address through whichever exposed port is most convenient for you and we can set up a meeting.

Just as I said (2, Insightful)

saikou (211301) | more than 6 years ago | (#22178574)

Just as I said when original discussion happened [slashdot.org] , Russian government was not responsible. Now, is Pentagon still ready to bomb cyberattackers? If yes, then next student with a grudge will finish off a country or two before we have a chance of intelligent machines or human-made bacteria to kill us all.

What A Crock (3, Insightful)

Jane Q. Public (1010737) | more than 6 years ago | (#22178638)

Quote: "The fact that a single student was able to trigger such events is particularly ominous when you consider just how many potential flashpoints exist between various countries..."

What nonsense. If governments put important messages on such "secure" places as roadside billboards, for example, then they should expect "hacks" like moustaches drawn on them, etc.

Others are not to blame if the government is clueless. The fact that it was so easy to do is a great indication that the government was in fact clueless. If they want to put something important somewhere and keep it "secure", then they are responsible for taking at least minimal measures to make sure that it is, in fact, secure.

They are just looking for someone to blame for their own incompetence.

What?? (-1, Troll)

davevr (29843) | more than 6 years ago | (#22179136)

Estonia is a real country??

Re:What?? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22179162)

Is USA a real country?

f8uck3r (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22179226)

Giving weapons to the irresponsible (1, Flamebait)

Kupfernigk (1190345) | more than 6 years ago | (#22179460)

It won't be popular here, but I will say it. The greatest risk to stable society is its young men. It's not surprising that Australian first peoples used to put a lot of effort into controlling them, that the Amish let them live outside their society till they get it out of their system, and that other societies have put them into armies under strict discipline. The combination of increasing strength, hormonal confusion, and social pressure makes them volatile and dangerous. Fifty percent of us have been through it, 100% know about it, but in Western societies we continue to give them dangerous weapons knowing that they are not mature enough to handle them. That includes cars, guns, and computers.

Once, the damage that young men could cause was limited because weapons were limited. Mind you, a machete is a pretty hazardous weapon. But give them RPGs or botnets, and the ability to cause a lot of damage escalates.

At the end of WW2, a lot of allied soldiers were traumatized because they had to shoot adolescent males. This is because they were equipped with weapons like fausts, and were totally irresponsible. They were simply emotionally and intellectually unequipped to understand what they were doing. They would surrender and then try to kill people. If they were treated kindly, they would take it as a sign of weakness and attack again. (I'm not suggesting that only adolescent males do malicious things on the Internet, but at least professional criminals want as few people as possible to know what they are up to, and are unlikely to cause public mayhem.)

The long term consequences of this could yet be that the irresponsible behaviour of the few will affect the many, when societies decide to block access to most of the Internet to all except an approved few. I don't have a clue what the right answer is, but if the IT community cannot come up with a means of regulation, governments may yet take its toys away.

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