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Nokia Buys Trolltech

CmdrTaco posted more than 6 years ago | from the what-bubble dept.

The Almighty Buck 311

egil writes "Trolltech announced this morning (CET) that they have accepted a bid from Nokia to buy the entire company. The bid was for 16 NOK per share, which values the company at an equivalent of approximately 150 million USD. The stock currently trades at 15.70 on the Oslo stack exchange, up from around 10 on Friday. The offer has already been accepted by the Trolltech BOD."

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Trolltech (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22207204)

I heard they were also changing their name. [nimp.org]

Parent post is GMAA Final Measure (5, Informative)

tomhudson (43916) | more than 6 years ago | (#22207240)

Gee, I haven't seen that one in ages.

Last time was from zoy.org.

Warning - if you're a windows user, don't click on it - it steals your browser's clipboard contents.

Re:Parent post is GMAA Final Measure (1)

Aladrin (926209) | more than 6 years ago | (#22207270)

It also managed to nearly crash Opera in Linux. A zillion 'do you want to see this popup' windows and the menus had empty contents. Not to mention my poor, poor eyes.

Re:Parent post is GMAA Final Measure (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22207336)

Wait, what? Opera prevents popups by generating a popup window that asks you if you want to see the popup?

Re:Trolltech (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22207754)

Everyone knows nimp.org now, or should do. Use [internet-srs.biz] alternate [serialchiller.org] mirrors [chufter.com].

Just prooves - your data is worth more ... (4, Insightful)

tomhudson (43916) | more than 6 years ago | (#22207216)

TrollTech: $150 million
MySQL: 1 BILLION!

Re:Just prooves - your data is worth more ... (1)

CarpetShark (865376) | more than 6 years ago | (#22207540)

TrollTech: $150 million
  MySQL: 1 BILLION!


GTK: ?

Re:Just prooves - your data is worth more ... (5, Funny)

Genom (3868) | more than 6 years ago | (#22207980)

TrollTech: $150 million
MySQL: 1 BILLION!

GTK: ?

Priceless. There are some things money can't buy. For everything else, there's...aww heck, you know.

Re:Just prooves - your data is worth more ... (1)

ejsnow (121810) | more than 6 years ago | (#22207624)

for interest, the deals share some common vcs, e.g. Index ventures (one each of the Rimer brothers).

KDE Qt Free Foundation (4, Interesting)

Per Wigren (5315) | more than 6 years ago | (#22207228)

I really hope that the KDE Qt Free Foundation [kde.org] agreements are valid because I have a gut feeling that they will be tested in court soon...

Re:KDE Qt Free Foundation (5, Interesting)

morgan_greywolf (835522) | more than 6 years ago | (#22207282)

I really hope that the KDE Qt Free Foundation agreements are valid because I have a gut feeling that they will be tested in court soon...
Interesting. TFA states that Nokia plans to continue to develop Qt, though, and will continue to offer it under both open source and commercial licenses, just as things are now.

I assume that means as long as Nokia continues to develop Qt in the same manner (keeping Qt Free available for KDE), then the agreement doesn't apply.

Re:KDE Qt Free Foundation (5, Interesting)

kripkenstein (913150) | more than 6 years ago | (#22207664)

Interesting. TFA states that Nokia plans to continue to develop Qt, though, and will continue to offer it under both open source and commercial licenses, just as things are now.

I assume that means as long as Nokia continues to develop Qt in the same manner (keeping Qt Free available for KDE), then the agreement doesn't apply.

Yes, all Nokia needs to do is keep Qt development on a low burner to avoid BSD-ization of their code. Not hard to do.

I don't see Nokia as interested in the Linux desktop, so I presume that part of Trolltech's work will not continue exactly as before; why pay the salaries of several KDE developers, for example - not sure Nokia will see the point in that. I don't predict immediate firings, though, but if I was one of them I wouldn't count on long-term job security. What I do see Nokia as wanting from Trolltech is everything related to mobile devices, Qtopia, all that stuff. So overall Qt may continue to be developed, but I'm not sure its focus won't move to one that is less useful for KDE.

Of course, this risk with KDE basing itself on Qt was obvious all the time due to the licensing model there. It is probably part of the reason why all major distros have moved to GNOME.

Re:KDE Qt Free Foundation (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22207772)

I don't see Nokia as interested in the Linux desktop
Are you kidding. Why not go and take a quick search on Nokia Internet Tablets such as the 700/N800/N810 and you'll see they are very active in linux development. Also check out Maemo.org, which is developed by Nokia and is debian based. You might say that is specialized and not the "desktop" but it is very end user and it would be in Nokia's best interest to keep the development rolling.

Re:KDE Qt Free Foundation (2, Insightful)

kripkenstein (913150) | more than 6 years ago | (#22207836)

I don't see Nokia as interested in the Linux desktop
Are you kidding. Why not go and take a quick search on Nokia Internet Tablets such as the 700/N800/N810 and you'll see they are very active in linux development. Also check out Maemo.org, which is developed by Nokia and is debian based. You might say that is specialized and not the "desktop" but it is very end user and it would be in Nokia's best interest to keep the development rolling.
Regarding the tablets and Maemo, note that these are GTK-based projects, so I'm not sure they are related to the purchase of Trolltech - there is no direct benefit, Trolltech and Maemo are orthogonal (will Nokia scrap Maemo? I doubt it). No, it seems far likelier that the purchase has all to do with mobile devices, phones in particular, an area Trolltech was working very much on getting into with their Qtopia platform, etc. Given who Nokia is, I think we can bet that mobile devices are the basis here.

Re:KDE Qt Free Foundation (5, Interesting)

vhogemann (797994) | more than 6 years ago | (#22208160)

Hummm,

It's nice to have GTK and all, but look at QT4, it has much more advanced features. KDE3.5 already has a smaller memory footprint than Gnome, thanks to QT4 KDE4 will have an even smaller footprint.

There were the GreenPhone. Also, there's already a Windows Mobile port of QT4, proving that it's well suited for embedded devices. And QT4 has Java bindings, witch is widely used on cellphone development as it is sandboxed.

Pehaps Nokia is looking into replacing Symbian with a Linux stack? Pehaps they found out GTK lacking? Pehaps they fell the need to be able to control more directly the development of their toolkit of choice?

Time will tell.

Wireless in five years (4, Interesting)

G3ckoG33k (647276) | more than 6 years ago | (#22207820)

"I don't see Nokia as interested in the Linux desktop"

While I understand your arguments it would now be a relatively easy way for Nokia to sneakin to that business. Before this buyout it would have been "impossible".

Don't forget that the margins of the mobile phone industry may be diminishing and that the distinction between a mobile phone and a laptop is blurred more and more. Nokia is spreading its risks. Who knows what a laptop's wireless connection will look like in five years. I don't, but I guess Nokia now is better prepared to not only know, but also to adapt and dictate.

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KDE is important for Trolltech and Qt (5, Insightful)

vdboor (827057) | more than 6 years ago | (#22207824)

You're missing an important detail here. KDE is important for Trolltech and the continued development of Qt. The CEO of Trolltech explained a few weeks ago in fact that Trolltech became a successful company because of KDE, not despite KDE.

Trolltech profits from the tons of feedback and publicity they get through KDE. In their first years they didn't have to do marketing at all! Qt has credibility in the commercial world because a complete desktop environment is built upon it. New Qt features or API's are pushed to their limits due to their immense use by KDE. This improves the overall quality of Qt, ability to reach enterprise customers, and we're back to square 1.

Destroying that upward spiral would hurt Qt development. Trolltech knows this, and so does Nokia.

* KDE also benefits from the relation with Trolltech, since they get an enterprise-quality toolkit in return. Trolltech also does the boring stuff which is typical for toolkit development (they can pay people to work on it!), and sponsors some KDE core-developers full-time.

Re:KDE is important for Trolltech and Qt (4, Insightful)

kripkenstein (913150) | more than 6 years ago | (#22207858)

That is certainly how Trolltech saw it. But Nokia controls things now, and time will tell whether it sees things the same way.

Re:KDE is important for Trolltech and Qt (1)

bvimo (780026) | more than 6 years ago | (#22208214)

Sounds a bit symbiotic to me.

But, where can KDE go if Nokia shifts the development from Qt?

Re:KDE is important for Trolltech and Qt (4, Interesting)

ZorinLynx (31751) | more than 6 years ago | (#22208240)

I don't trust Nokia. They bought PDAapps (the company that made Verichat) just to promptly kill the product. No explanation, no way for current users to keep using it. Just... dead.

Any company that does this is one to be feared.

Re:KDE Qt Free Foundation (3, Insightful)

sukotto (122876) | more than 6 years ago | (#22207760)

TFA states that Nokia plans to continue to develop Qt, though, and will continue to offer it under both open source and commercial licenses, just as things are now.

In my experience, when company buys another company, they always promise that everything will stay the same... and they almost always renege on that statement 6~12 months after the acquisition.

*shrug* it's just one of those things that people/companies say to ease friction during a transition, and not because they really mean it.

Re:KDE Qt Free Foundation (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22208190)

TFA states that Nokia plans to continue to develop Qt, though, and will continue to offer it under both open source and commercial licenses, just as things are now.

And everyone knows that suits always keep their promises after the take-over has been consummated...

Re:KDE Qt Free Foundation (5, Insightful)

spectrokid (660550) | more than 6 years ago | (#22207288)

Why? Nokia does not make OS'es or IDE's. They make mobile phones, and they are pretty fucking good at it. If they get a good QT, they can release multiplatform PC software for synching their phones to Any OS(TM). The more it is open, the better the quality will be. Remember they are competing against Windows Mobile. I have a HTC and I have to say, under windows the cooperation between PC and mobile is near perfect. (I miss writing SMS-es from the PC keyboard though...). Having a cross-platform, open and good quality dev platform will help them whacking MS where it hurts. I, for one,..... ;-)

Re:KDE Qt Free Foundation (1)

LiquidCoooled (634315) | more than 6 years ago | (#22207500)

Having a cross-platform, open and good quality dev platform

As the saying goes, choose any 2...

Nokia currently have the N770/800/810 internet tablet series which run on Maemo Linux.
The development toolchain configuration is a bit of a mare for anyone not qualified as a linux ninja.

Re:KDE Qt Free Foundation (4, Insightful)

GauteL (29207) | more than 6 years ago | (#22207564)

"They make mobile phones, and they are pretty fucking good at it. If they get a good QT, they can release multiplatform PC software for synching their phones to Any OS(TM). The more it is open, the better the quality will be."

One does not buy a toolkit company to build one application. Nokia could easily already "create multiplatform PC software for synching their phones to Any OS(TM)". Qt is already plenty good enough to do this and there are even perfectly reasonable alternatives.

Nokia are buying Trolltech for Qtopia, the mobile phone platform, which happens to be their core business. Therefore it is completely reasonable to question their commitment to desktop Qt, which at the moment has little to do with their core business.

Re:KDE Qt Free Foundation (4, Informative)

Lumpy (12016) | more than 6 years ago | (#22207574)

Why? Nokia does not make OS'es or IDE's. They make mobile phones,

Do you not know what Nokia does?

They make networking gear, computer equipment and yes, DO write software along with their phone thing.

You better learn about the company you think only makes cellphones.

Nokia does develop software and lots of it (5, Informative)

sjbe (173966) | more than 6 years ago | (#22207668)

Nokia does not make OS'es or IDE's.
Nokia doesn't make operating systems? What do you think their phones run on? Nokia owns nearly 50% of Symbian [wikipedia.org] which is an operating system. They also have other cell phones that run on different operating systems [wikipedia.org] developed by them. Cell phones are just a specialized computer. True, they make use of some open source stuff but they develop a LOT more of what they use themselves or via subsidiaries. I attended a presentation made by the CEO of Nokia [wikipedia.org] and he indicated that Nokia had over 14,000 software workers (this was about 5 years ago) alone. Now I can't verify that claim but I have little reason to doubt it. He made the claim that Nokia basically is a software company that happens to make cellular phones. A bit of an exaggeration perhaps but only a bit.

Re:Nokia does develop software and lots of it (4, Informative)

i.r.id10t (595143) | more than 6 years ago | (#22207732)

Not to mention the Linux distro that they ship on the 770, 800, and 810, and maemo, etc.

Re:Nokia does develop software and lots of it (5, Informative)

blosphere (614452) | more than 6 years ago | (#22208258)

Nokia doesn't write THAT much of their OWN software, they usually just outsource it.

After the vendor fucks it up then they try to fix it, usually with not-so-good results.

Disclaimer:
I work for the company.

Re:KDE Qt Free Foundation (4, Informative)

Mechanik (104328) | more than 6 years ago | (#22207710)

Nokia does not make OS'es or IDE's.

Actually, they do [nokia.com]. And, it's Eclipse and CDT based, so I would say that anyone that claims Nokia is not a friend of open source is mistaken. I am a committer on CDT, and I can vouch for the fact that the Nokia folks that work on Carbide have been making some significant contributions to CDT... enough that they have a committer on the project as well.

And let's not forget that they own a controlling interest in Symbian, who does make OSes.

Re:KDE Qt Free Foundation (1)

SCHecklerX (229973) | more than 6 years ago | (#22207784)

Why? Nokia does not make OS'es or IDE's.


Oh? *looks at his IPSO firewalls and scratches head*

Re:KDE Qt Free Foundation (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22208110)

They do write an OS for their non-Symbian low-end phones, they top-level code for their Symbian phones and
they write the Eclipse-based Carbide IDE.

Re:KDE Qt Free Foundation (2, Interesting)

ashridah (72567) | more than 6 years ago | (#22208120)

As others have pointed out, Nokia do indeed make OS's, Symbian and their own home-grown variety. Let's also not forget that Qt maintains an embedded edition of their UI toolkit, which may well be very valuable to Nokia.

  They're also in the IDE business [slashdot.org], since they joined the Eclipse foundation, and have been pumping code into the C/C++ components, so people can use them to work on extensions for their own phones.

Re:KDE Qt Free Foundation (5, Informative)

bytta (904762) | more than 6 years ago | (#22207388)

They have a whole page [trolltech.com] of announcements 'n' stuff, including an Open Letter to the Open Source Community, and a letter to QT customers.

Seems like they really want to give the impression they don't intend to screw anyone over. Time will tell.

Re:KDE Qt Free Foundation (4, Interesting)

Svartalf (2997) | more than 6 years ago | (#22207426)

It only kicks in if the new owners choose to take Qt private or do something like dissolve the now new division of their
company. It forces a fork of licensing, etc. making a BSD licensed version possible at the KDE Qt Free Foundation's
discretion under those circumstances. At that point you'd have a version of Qt that was GPLed, BSD, and the completely
closed license version that the new owners had.

In this case, I doubt that Nokia would take it private- they know what Open Source is and seem to have few issues
with it in general. I'm not quite sure why they're picking Trolltech and Qt up, to be honest, considering how
well Maemo and Hildon works on things like their N770/N800/N810, but perhaps they're picking them up because they
want another option choice on the UI and applications suite front.

Re:KDE Qt Free Foundation (1)

ubuwalker31 (1009137) | more than 6 years ago | (#22207510)

What is the likelihood that Qt will go BSD licensed?

Re:KDE Qt Free Foundation (1)

deKernel (65640) | more than 6 years ago | (#22207670)

Pretty close to 'zero' if I had to guess. It just is not in Nokia's best interest because it would give their competitors an advantage, and since Nokia basically owns the code, they can just relicense it to themselves and move forward. What this means is that they can make changes to their code and not release where the competition would have to since the working code they use most likely will be GPL3. This theory gets honked if the competing company is not using the GPL version but has paid for a license.

Re:KDE Qt Free Foundation (1)

Dred_furst (945617) | more than 6 years ago | (#22207622)

If you would care to read the press release for a moment... Nokia intends to continue to enhance Trolltech products through active and ongoing development, for both desktop and mobile. To further stimulate industry innovation based on Trolltech's products, Nokia plans to continue to license Trolltech technology under both commercial and open source licenses. Namely the section that says Nokia plans to continue to license Trolltech technology under both commercial and open source licenses You will see that KDE will NOT die, because the GPL version has not been pulled, and is planned not to be pulled either. So stop scaremongering already.

Lovely (5, Funny)

david@ecsd.com (45841) | more than 6 years ago | (#22207232)

Now, I suppose, when KDE boots up it's going to play that annoying, "bee de do deh, bee de do deh, bee de do doo dah."

Can't wait.

Re:Lovely (4, Interesting)

Slashidiot (1179447) | more than 6 years ago | (#22207452)

The annoying tune was actually stolen from a relatively famous late 19th century spanish composer and guitar player, Francisco Tarrega [wikipedia.org]. It's part of the Gran Vals. Afterwards Nokia claimed it as a sound trademark...
It was a shock to find out, while being in an auditorium, listening to a beautiful classic guitar concert, and suddenly a phone rang from the guitar... or so it seemed.

Re:Lovely (2)

CastrTroy (595695) | more than 6 years ago | (#22207614)

I think it's fine if they trademark the use of that sound. If only because it means that no other phone company can annoy us with that music on their phones.

Re:Lovely (1)

traveller604 (961720) | more than 6 years ago | (#22207672)

Stolen? Eh, anyways did you know that the Nokia sms alert is morse for SMS? There's also another that spells "Connecting people".

Re:Lovely (1)

Dystopian Rebel (714995) | more than 6 years ago | (#22208152)

Your signature brought a smile. There's a good recording of that by the Hilliard Ensemble, if you don't already know it.

Re:Lovely (1)

Slashidiot (1179447) | more than 6 years ago | (#22208276)

I know it and love it, but what got me to Purcell's Catches was the Deller Consort, and I still love Alfred Deller. Makes me enormously happy that there are other Early Music nerds around in /., computers are not everything in the world.

Chief Troll (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22207604)

I find it more amusing that Trolltech actually has its own Troll - well Chief Troll to be exact - Mr Chambe-Eng. I wonder if he's a slashdot regular...

Re:Chief Troll (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22207776)

Now we know who's responsible for all of the goatse redirects!

The KDE Foundation (1)

Wheely (2500) | more than 6 years ago | (#22207244)

In case anyone can feel the panic setting in while thoughts of closed source qt libraries swirl around their heads it may be as well to remind people that Troll Tech and KDE have this all worked out nicely already.

The KDE Foundation takes the code if qt is ever released closed. Not sure if it covers a buy out situation but I'm pretty sure it does.

Licensing Issues for the Future (2, Interesting)

kripkenstein (913150) | more than 6 years ago | (#22207378)

In case anyone can feel the panic setting in while thoughts of closed source qt libraries swirl around their heads it may be as well to remind people that Troll Tech and KDE have this all worked out nicely already.

The KDE Foundation takes the code if qt is ever released closed. Not sure if it covers a buy out situation but I'm pretty sure it does.
First, Qt is already released closed-source: it has several licenses, one of which is closed, others of which are GPL2, GPL3. But I presume you meant that they stop the FOSS releases. Then yes, you are essentially correct: if Qt stops being released in an (among others) FOSS license, it reverts to being BSD. However, this far from solves the issue. Qt may continue to be released as FOSS, but its development may stagnate, if e.g. Nokia's priorities are more towards mobile devices and less on desktop Linux (which makes sense, given what products Nokia specializes in). In that case, KDE will suffer, and little can be done.

You might say, "but then the community can fork Qt." Yes, a fork is possible. The fork will then be GPL2/GPL3, which is somewhat problematic, in that in the future we will never be able to write KDE apps in GPL4, should such be released (and I presume that Microsoft's attacks on FOSS will necessitate a GPL4 eventually, just as Microsoft's deal with Novell necessitated certain clauses in the GPL3). That is, yes, we can fork Qt, but we cannot add licenses to it (only the copyright holders can, and Nokia is now that entity). Thankfully Trolltech helped out KDE this time by letting Qt be GPL3, but next time, we have no assurances whatsoever.

KDE is not the problem, commercial use is (1)

nguy (1207026) | more than 6 years ago | (#22208000)

Qt is already released under the GPL; it can't go "closed source". KDE applications themselves are safe.

The big question is what happens to commercial users. For example, Nokia might stop Mac support. Or they might make the desktop versions really buggy. Or they might jack up licensing fees. In that case, it's the commercial developers that are in trouble because they can't get another commercial version of Qt from anybody. Right now, we don't know what Nokia is going to do. But they don't have much of a track record on desktop software.

...QT release timing?.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22207250)

...i wonder if advance knowledge of this deal drove the recent GPL release?..

Re:...QT release timing?.. (1)

morgan_greywolf (835522) | more than 6 years ago | (#22207314)

...i wonder if advance knowledge of this deal drove the recent GPL release?..
Doubt it. I think the releasing of Qt under GPL (which happened quite a while ago, IIRC) was more in response to criticism from the free/open source software community, particularly from one individual *cough*rms*cough* who shall remain nameless.

Re:...QT release timing?.. (1)

Mr2cents (323101) | more than 6 years ago | (#22207632)

The big problem was that Red Hat refused to ship KDE because of this. I remember, because that was the main reason I switched to SuSE back then. (in the meantime I've made a 180 turn and I now run Debian).

Re:...QT release timing?.. (1)

osu-neko (2604) | more than 6 years ago | (#22208004)

*nods* Mandrake Linux (or whatever they're calling themselves these days) owes its existence to this. I used it for quite a while before switching to Debian.

Re:...QT release timing?.. (1)

oever (233119) | more than 6 years ago | (#22207562)

Yes, I think you are right. As a community we can be very happy that Trolltech released Qt under the GPL v3 before being acquired by Nokia. Now Nokia will be releasing a very large GPL v3 codebase, thus undermining their pro-software patent stance. I too wonder if the trolls have sped up the adoption of GPL v3 on purpose.

Re:...QT release timing?.. (1)

mwvdlee (775178) | more than 6 years ago | (#22207912)

Pro-software patent does not imply anti-GPL.

There are many patents covering GPL code, all of them with proper licenses that allow GPL code to use them freely and perpetually. These patents just protect the patents from being used in competing closed software products the patent holder did not intend.

Whether or not that is a good thing is an entirely different issue.

Smart move! (5, Insightful)

superash (1045796) | more than 6 years ago | (#22207274)

Now that Nokia has got the OpenC and the PythonForS60 community growing rapidly, there was need for a better UI which I think will be provided by Qt. More developers -> more apps -> high user base.

Re:Smart move! (3, Interesting)

BestNicksRTaken (582194) | more than 6 years ago | (#22207514)

not wanting to sound trollish (pun kinda intended) buit i thought python for series 60 was dead in the water - i.e. nokia themselves don't even support in anymore?

maybe i heard wrong, as its something i'd really like to look at - especially if pyqt will soon work on the s60 due to this move, gotta be better than that java rubbish.

MYSQL Trolltech?? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22207292)

With Trolltech having products that are open source and commercial, and having products for the embedded and end-user markets, one would think their valuation would be higher, especially since Sun paid est. $1B(US) for MYSQL. Still hope they keep their products open and continue to work with KDE and other groups.

Re:MYSQL Trolltech?? (1)

morgan_greywolf (835522) | more than 6 years ago | (#22207402)

With Trolltech having products that are open source and commercial, and having products for the embedded and end-user markets, one would think their valuation would be higher, especially since Sun paid est. $1B(US) for MYSQL. Still hope they keep their products open and continue to work with KDE and other groups.
It's all in what the market will bear.

Ironically, although Qt is GUI toolkit, it isn't as "visible" as MySQL is in the marketplace. Google Earth uses the Qt toolkit, but do you know how many people (read: non-geeks/non-techs) actually know that? Almost none. My non-geek wife knows only because I told her.

MySQL, OTOH, is an RDBMS, and well, a lot of people, including non-geeks, have heard of it.

Stop Thief! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22207294)

At that price, Nokia is stealing TrollTech.

I hope this doesn't hurt KDE long term.

I think I smell ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22207298)

Hmm ... I think I smell a QT fork in the near future. Thank God for FOSS licensing.

Damn (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22207304)

Damn Nokia feeding the trolls.

Brilliant Colors (1)

craagz (965952) | more than 6 years ago | (#22207308)

Will Trolltech lose them brilliant colors on their website or will they be safe from being branded "NOKIA!!"?

I like those colors.

Qtopia? (4, Interesting)

Jack Malmostoso (899729) | more than 6 years ago | (#22207338)

What will happen to Qtopia?
If Nokia switches to full-linux-ahead with it, it would really be sweet, although we'd see a nice internal fight between the existing GTK stack and the new qt one :)

Re:Qtopia? (1)

Chanc_Gorkon (94133) | more than 6 years ago | (#22207686)

Easy....it will flourish. Nokia has to license Symbian. Since they are using the gtk toolkit and now they will be using the Qt widget set, they will be offering a choice to their users and then the phones that use Symbian will gradually fade out.

Perspectives on the deal... (4, Informative)

webword (82711) | more than 6 years ago | (#22207356)

Browse through Google News [google.com]

Trolltech Acquisition to Position Nokia in Featurephone Space
(What's "Featurephone Space"?)

Helsinki shares drop midday, led by Nokia
(Ahh, so Nokia stock takes a hit, eh?)

Nokia Dishes Out $153 Million for Trolltech
(We know how much, exactly)

What other perspectives on the deal are you finding?

all the hand ringers (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22207358)

For all the hand ringers, I think this will prove to be a good thing.
Nokia seems to be honestly interested in QT as well as Open Source.
QT gets a stable base of funding.

I think this was as much a defensive move for Nokia as anything. It stabilizes QT development for them and also keeps it from falling to someone else who might have been less open about the product. Their development support under the N770/N800/N810 has been pretty cool.

Nokia are pro-swpat (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22207370)

Farewell then QT, rest in peace [ffii.org]

Just as KDE was starting to look like a contender too. Coincidence?

Re:Nokia are pro-swpat (1)

UngodAus (198713) | more than 6 years ago | (#22207448)

Actually, I think nokia have chosen an admirable path. Think about the number of patents they have in the phone space, and the strength they have to fight them. Trolltech could easily have been squashed into oblivion, without much of a blink of nokia's eyes.

I for one welcome my new finnish overlords, as there are many benefits for this troll to keep doing what I love best.

Re:Nokia are pro-swpat (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22207518)

Since programs for computers (AKA software) are exempt from patent protection in the EU; your comment is simply nonsense.

Re:Nokia are pro-swpat (1)

UngodAus (198713) | more than 6 years ago | (#22207566)

Considering that qtopia is developed over here in Australia, we are not exempt from software patent protection, so my comment makes a great deal of sense. Instead of sticking our heads in the sand in regards to patenting, we're getting a rather heavyweight player on our side and behind us to help us further our development to be the best damn software stack we possibly can.

A Few Interesting Things (5, Informative)

Bralkein (685733) | more than 6 years ago | (#22207372)

This being Slashdot, the summary's pretty light on details like for example what will happen to KDE and Qt's relationship with Free Software at large. Well, there is an open letter to the community, so you can read it here [trolltech.com]. The letter's pretty encouraging insofar as it reaffirms the Qt team's commitment to the current symbiosis, and it says that Nokia is going to become a "Patron of KDE"(TM). Additionally, the Free Qt Foundation [kde.org] offers protection in case a buyout turns things nasty.

Having said all of the above, I can't help but remain a bit concerned about this turn of events. I was under the impression that Nokia have a rather tarnished reputation in the eyes of the Free Software world, since they seem to be pro-patents for software and there was that opposition from them concerning Ogg Vorbis as a web standard or something. Things like this make me worry. On the other hand, it seems like there is still a large gap between the cultures of proprietary software and free software, and maybe Nokia will gain a more balanced standpoint by getting involved with GPL projects like Qt. Ah well, I suppose we'll have to see how things turn out, but I don't really think a project the size of KDE can be killed so easily as this.

Some other people have remarked that it's interesting that Nokia should acquire Qt, seeing as how they use GTK in a few of their products. It seems fine to me though - I reckon heterogeny is a pretty big part of what Free Software is all about.

Re:A Few Interesting Things (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22207750)

Some other people have remarked that it's interesting that Nokia should acquire Qt, seeing as how they use GTK in a few of their products.

This is an enormous company, not an IRC channel. I'm not surprised that they don't don't have a standard position on toolkit flamewar-age.

commercial licenses are the issue (4, Interesting)

nguy (1207026) | more than 6 years ago | (#22208052)

Having said all of the above, I can't help but remain a bit concerned about this turn of events. I was under the impression that Nokia have a rather tarnished reputation in the eyes of the Free Software world,

That's not the main issue. Qt already is under the GPL, so whatever Nokia does or doesn't do won't affect KDE.

The big question is what Nokia will do for commercial developers.

I think Nokia's best bet is to re-release the desktop edition of Qt under a BSD-style license right away. Nokia isn't going to make much money from licensing anyway, and a BSD release could make Qt much more popular as a toolkit for everybody.

Re:A Few Interesting Things (1)

cbart387 (1192883) | more than 6 years ago | (#22208098)

I was under the impression that Nokia have a rather tarnished reputation in the eyes of the Free Software world, since they seem to be pro-patents for software and there was that opposition from them concerning Ogg Vorbis as a web standard or something.
Can anyone else substantiate this? I'm sure RMS and the others on the extreme end of the Free Software community have that view. I'm just curious if anyone else in the community has a more balanced opinion.

good move (3, Insightful)

chiui (1120973) | more than 6 years ago | (#22207396)

Finally they can compete with Android with a decent platform. They probably have seen that Symbian is no longer good enough as a multitasking environment, and probably too difficult and expensive to add features to. And you would never ever attempt to run it on anything other than a phone thus making more difficult to build a whole platform ranging from small game consoles, PDAs, music players and the "next small thing" :)

Re:good move (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22207810)

Trolltech is the king on Symbian.Writing this on opera mobile browser. Guess which SDK it is built on?

So what happens to Maemo (5, Insightful)

GauteL (29207) | more than 6 years ago | (#22207416)

.. and the investments Nokia has made into GTK+?

And how will Nokia's competitors that currently use Qt for their mobile products take this?

Re:So what happens to Maemo (3, Funny)

Constantine XVI (880691) | more than 6 years ago | (#22207498)

My guess is that Nokia will probably start reworking Qtopia to better suit their needs. And since their Qt-using competitors don't want a conflict of interest, they'll probably switch to another platform. Why don't we make it GTK+-based? And how about we call it...
...Maemo?

Re:So what happens to Maemo (4, Funny)

mwvdlee (775178) | more than 6 years ago | (#22207808)

And how will Nokia's competitors that currently use Qt for their mobile products take this?


"Up the ass", I guess.

Underlying Implications (4, Interesting)

jone1941 (516270) | more than 6 years ago | (#22207440)

Until now Nokia has been using Gnome/GTK libraries for their open source products (namely the N Series PDA devices). I'm sure they have invested a fairly large amount of time and energy building out the GTK port of webkit and writing the entire UI of these devices running on GTK. Can anyone shed some light on exactly what implications this has for the internal Gnome development efforts? There is at least one Nokia developer on the Gnome Board of Directors and Nokia is a corporate sponsor to the Gnome Project. Overall this seems like a very strange move for them.

The only obvious reason I can see for this decision is that Nokia's Mobile OS technology has been gradually falling behind for a number of years. Buying Trolltech gives them all the tech that went into the Zaurus devices and Trolltech's mobile environment (as seen on the green phone).

I assume that over the next day or two an official announcement will be made about Nokia's intentions for the Qt licensing. In the mean time we all have to sit on our hands and anticipate a fork. On one hand this is a bit of a slap in the face to the Gnome/GTK teams that seems to imply Qt was the superior technology. On the other hand it also justifies Gnome's existence as a project to begin with, there have always been concerns that Trolltech would take it's ball and go home. KDE is extremely dependent on paid developers at Trolltech for much of the code that is written, it will also be interesting to see if Nokia ends up becoming a major sponsor to both projects. Only time will tell.

Re:Underlying Implications (2, Insightful)

Svartalf (2997) | more than 6 years ago | (#22207568)

In reality...

It's six of one, half dozen of another on GTK+ versus Qt.

There's not really a slap in the face when you think about it. Qtopia presents an entire environment
for making mobile phones. Maemo presents a more sophisticated environment for making more than
capable smart phones and network-centric appliance devices. While Qtopia's capable of the other,
it's not quite the same beast as what they came up with for themselves for that purpose- and Qtopia
makes some good sense on things like the average phones now all seem to have in functionality,
whereas Maemo doesn't quite fit the bill because of footprint.

As for the licensing... If they discontinue some form of free licensing of Qt, there will be at
least the GPL fork, if not a BSD fork. Trolltech saw to it that there would be few complaints
about the FOSS use of their library, including having an escape clause for the KDE project to
BSD license the entire library at their discretion if Qt was taken solely proprietary or withdrawn
completely.

Re:Underlying Implications (1)

MajinBlayze (942250) | more than 6 years ago | (#22208124)

I assume that over the next day or two an official announcement will be made about Nokia's intentions for the Qt licensing.

It's already here: http://trolltech.com/28012008/28012008 [trolltech.com]

Another good source of information
http://www.kde.org/whatiskde/kdefreeqtfoundation.php [kde.org]

The foundation has an agreement (fairly simple, I might add, read it.) allowing them to release Qt under a BSD-style license if no major releases are made for 12 months. Although there isn't a clause stating this transfers to new owners, Nokia has tentatively agreed to support the KDE Free QT foundation.

BTW, I didn't even realize i had a freak!!! (parent) Hope I can offend you again some time!

Re:Underlying Implications (3, Interesting)

pembo13 (770295) | more than 6 years ago | (#22208220)

On the other hand it also justifies Gnome's existence as a project to begin with

I find that hard to believe considering the rate at which Gnome is including Microsoft's tech.

Nokia moving to the desktop? (3, Insightful)

oever (233119) | more than 6 years ago | (#22207488)

The Qt toolkit allows rapid development of nice mobile and desktop application. A Nokia slide on the role of Qt in the company seems to suggest they want to use Qt to write applications that work and look the same on their mobile phones and on the desktop the user might have (be it Windows, Mac or Linux).

source [allaboutsymbian.com]

Symbian GNOME? (1)

Doc Ruby (173196) | more than 6 years ago | (#22207538)

How will Symbian react? Will they switch to using GNOME so they have parity? I'd doubt they'd adopt Qt with one of their customers controlling its license back to them. Does this move mean Symbian will always use its own proprietary GUI SW?

Re:Symbian GNOME? (2, Informative)

BlackCreek (1004083) | more than 6 years ago | (#22208134)

How will Symbian react? Will they switch to using GNOME so they have parity? I'd doubt they'd adopt Qt with one of their customers controlling its license back to them. Does this move mean Symbian will always use its own proprietary GUI SW?

I am not sure I understood your post. But if I did, then you are missing the information that Nokia owns 48% of Symbian http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Symbian_OS [wikipedia.org]

This is good news for message boards (-1, Offtopic)

jollyreaper (513215) | more than 6 years ago | (#22207552)

No more insults and flame wars, no more Cringley and Dvorak screeds masquerading as journalism. And maybe the billy goats will now be able to cross bridges in peace.

Greephone (3, Interesting)

jfenwick (961674) | more than 6 years ago | (#22207742)

I can't help but wonder if this has something to do with the death of the greenphone.

commercial desktop users? (2, Interesting)

nguy (1207026) | more than 6 years ago | (#22207930)

I wonder what this means for commercial users of Qt. Despite what they say, Nokia doesn't strike me as a company that will do a good job at providing cross-platform desktop toolkits. So... either they re-release Qt under a BSD-like license, or commercial users will be out of luck.

I'm also not sure this acquisition makes sense from a mobile perspective. Nokia needs a better UI strategy than they have right now, but Qt isn't really the top choice in that space either. This purchase really strikes me as one company with an aging platform buying another company with an aging platform.

Well, I guess we'll know how things turn out when the dust settles.

16 NOK per share (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22208166)

The bid was for 16 NOK per share, which values the company at an equivalent of approximately 150 million USD.
So, what, Nokia have their own currency now?
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