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What the MPAA Still Isn't Telling Us

Zonk posted more than 6 years ago | from the be-nice-if-things-were-above-board-for-once dept.

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Scott Jaschik writes "An essay at the Inside Higher Ed site looks at the fallout from the MPAA's admission that its statistics on college student downloading were seriously wrong. Among the questions: What is the MPAA still holding back? Why isn't the MPAA changing its position on legislation? 'Perhaps the MPAA's press release acknowledging its "300 percent error" will set the stage for new, less rancorous private and public discussions about P2P piracy. Colleges and universities respect copyright; colleges and universities are engaged in serious efforts to inform and educate students about the importance of copyright. And MPAA and RIAA officials ... should acknowledge, respect and strongly support the continuing efforts of campus officials to address copyright issues, in part by ending the public posturing that portrays colleges and universities as dens of digital piracy.'"

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Nigger Patrol! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22221494)

1. Just look at them. They still resemble the apes that they were derived from. Same ape-shaped face, wide fucking nose, massive lips, and same nasty looking paws.

2. They are welfare hogging pieces of shit. When someone actually needs a little bit of help from welfare, they usually cannot receive it due to all the spooks living off of everyone else's work.

3. Why not hate them? What purpose do they serve on earth, other than to make it unsuitable for everyone else?

4. They stink extremely bad.

5. They can barely speak properly. I hate listening to those ebonics speaking pieces of shit and trying to decipher what the fuck they are mumbling about. Maybe if they'd take some time away from stealing, robbing, raping, and ruining the world for everyone else...they could spend some time getting an education.

6. They make me mad seeing them on TV. BET? Why is it necessary to devote an entire channel to them? Do we really need to see them trying to make "music" while jumping around on stage just like their ape ancestors? No, we don't. Maybe if they'd remove stupid shit like this, then maybe future niggers wouldn't try to imitate these idiots.

7. Those stupid fucks wearing pants that are falling down to their knees. Um, hello you stupid niggers. It's bad enough that we have to see your stupid faces and other uncovered regions. We really don't want to see your nasty lower regions being exposed. If we wanted to see that, we have zoos and Animal Planet to get our fix for those who have a fascination with looking at apes exposed.

8. They walk around constantly grabbing their dicks. Why is that? Are they secretly scratching at their venereal diseased cocks? Or, are they just trying to imitate their ape ancestors?

9. They ruin cars. Have you seen these idiots who sell crack to make enough money to put 24 inch wheels on a car designed for 14 inch wheels? They make them look like some sort of monster truck or something. STOP IT NIGGERS! Just because you have the minds of chimps doesn't mean you should be entitled to destroy automobiles.

10. They ruin sports. It's pretty bad trying to watch a sporting event and all you can see is a jersey/uniform on the screen. They are the reason they had to start putting names on the back. Who the fuck can tell them apart? When all you see is a shiny black image, it's really hard to tell them apart. You stupid spooks.

Racist pigs must die. (-1, Troll)

Lilith's Heart-shape (1224784) | more than 6 years ago | (#22221542)

I bet your mother was black, you worthless little collectivist.

Re:Racist pigs must die. (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22221606)

What's wrong with being black? Please stop this racism.

Re:Racist pigs must die. (-1, Offtopic)

Lilith's Heart-shape (1224784) | more than 6 years ago | (#22221646)

There's nothing wrong with it. And if you want racism, read the post to which I replied.

Re:Racist pigs must die. (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22221824)

Awww, I hurt the little nigger-bitch's feeling!

I be soooo soooorrry!

lol

For the kids (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22221500)

I, for one, welcome our new FIRST POSTING overlords. I'm new here.

Why download bootleg movies? (4, Insightful)

Lilith's Heart-shape (1224784) | more than 6 years ago | (#22221516)

If there's one thing I'd like to know about the P2P controversy, it's this: why would people bother to waste bandwidth and disk space downloading bootleg copies of most of the garbage that the MPAA (not to mention RIAA member labels) attempts to foist upon the public? If anything, the MPAA should be paying people to watch garbage like Meet the Spartans and Untraceable.

Re:Why download bootleg movies? (2, Insightful)

garcia (6573) | more than 6 years ago | (#22221676)

If anything, the MPAA should be paying people to watch garbage like Meet the Spartans and Untraceable.

Well, this tells me one of three things:

1. You don't watch movies at all, including those you just listed, and you are instead just spouting off about two recent movies because you read about what someone else said via some media source.

2. You do go to the theater and watch movies and saw those two which you call "trash" and you are supporting the MPAA's campaign to subvert media outlets, higher educational institutions and families.

3. You don't pay for these movies and instead pirate them and are just as much of a torrenter as anyone else that downloads stuff.

So, which is it? You can't have your cake and eat it to you know.

Re:Why download bootleg movies? (2, Interesting)

Lilith's Heart-shape (1224784) | more than 6 years ago | (#22221720)

OK, you got me. It's number 2, but I didn't see those two. I saw Cloverfield instead. You're right: I want to see the MPAA contribute to the United States' march towards tyranny. The sooner we get there, the sooner we can get over it and go back to being the land of the free and the home of the brave.

Re:Why download bootleg movies? (3, Insightful)

GuidoW (844172) | more than 6 years ago | (#22221800)

The sooner we get there, the sooner we can get over it and go back to being the land of the free and the home of the brave.

You mean just like they did in China and North Korea?

Try Eastern Europe. (2, Informative)

Lilith's Heart-shape (1224784) | more than 6 years ago | (#22221980)

Actually, I was thinking of Eastern Europe. Poland, the Czech and Slovakian Republics, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Belarus, etc. I'd suggest East Germany as well, but the reunified Germany has also slid into statism. Rome wasn't built in a day, and it wasn't brought down in a year. It takes time to build a tyranny, most of the groundwork is laid behind the scenes, and it takes time to tear one down as well. Hell, it took 70 years to bring down the Soviet Union.

Re:Try Eastern Europe. (2, Insightful)

GuidoW (844172) | more than 6 years ago | (#22222046)

Meaning if the US slips into tyranny now, not one of us is going to see the end of it...

Re:Try Eastern Europe. (2, Insightful)

Torvaun (1040898) | more than 6 years ago | (#22222276)

But if we keep putting it off, our children may be the ones to never know freedom. Besides, it took so long to tear down the Soviet Union because the citizens that destroyed it had never known a free Russia. We have seen how things ought to be, and therefore will fight hardest to regain it. If nothing else, we can lay the groundwork for the fight against tyranny.

Re:Try Eastern Europe. (1)

AKAImBatman (238306) | more than 6 years ago | (#22222314)

The first thought that comes to my mind is Rome. Once it slipped into the control of Julius Caesar, it never recovered. The Roman Republic was long lost to the tyranny of the Roman Empire. The end result was a complete collapse of Rome itself, a loss of world infrastructure, and a completely separate empire (the Byzantines) which was eventually overthrown by the Crusades and later the Ottomans.

There's no recovery from tyranny. (1)

Lilith's Heart-shape (1224784) | more than 6 years ago | (#22222838)

A nation cannot "recover" from tyranny as if it were just another illness for the body politic to fight off. The natural course of all governments, no matter how carefully designed, is to obtain more power and become more meddlesome. The end result is always tyranny. It happened in Rome, it happened all over Europe and Asia, and it's happening in the United States. All we can do is either keep our heads down until the current tyranny destroys itself and try to pick up the pieces, or die with rifles in our hands and a regret in our hearts that we had but one life to give for our country. The USA is fucked. Better luck next time, folks.

Re:Why download bootleg movies? (2, Insightful)

Pojut (1027544) | more than 6 years ago | (#22221876)

There are many AMAZING movies that have come out recently and have shown up in theaters. Thank You for Smoking, I Heart Huckabees, The Fountain, Eastern Promises, The Departed, Collateral, The Bourne Trilogy, Breach, The Kingdom, The Good Shepard, Lady In the Water, The Last King of Scotland, The Science of Sleep, Hotel Rwanda, Blake Snake Moan, A Scanner Darkly...

All movies that have come out recently, all of them big-name movies, all of them rated by the MPAA, and all of them amazing.

Not everything out there is crap. You just have to look a little.

I have been looking. (1)

Lilith's Heart-shape (1224784) | more than 6 years ago | (#22221928)

I have been looking, and I've seen many of the films you've mentioned. However, the exceptions you cite do not invalidate Sturgeon's Law [wikipedia.org] : 90% of the MPAA member studios' output is crap.

Re:I have been looking. (2, Insightful)

Pojut (1027544) | more than 6 years ago | (#22221960)

Movies are (sadly) much like how videogames have become. For every great piece of work, there are ten horrible pieces of work lining up behind it. Once you are able to recognize crap from a distance, however, you tend to stop noticing it.

I smell nostalgia. (1)

Lilith's Heart-shape (1224784) | more than 6 years ago | (#22222198)

You're probably just remembering the good videogames, and have forgotten (or never played) the crappy ones. Remember Tengen [wikipedia.org] ?

Re:I smell nostalgia. (1)

Pojut (1027544) | more than 6 years ago | (#22222424)

Oh, I know that there were plenty of horrible video games when I was younger (23 now, for reference). It just seems that the crap video games that are around now are WAY crappier (comparatively, of course) to the crap video games of my youth. Something very similar happened with kids cartoons. I love just about all cartoons made for kids that were on TV from the 1960's on up. True, there were some bad ones here and there, but for the most part they were all entertaining. In the mid-to-late 90's, however, things started going downhill quick. Cartoons (and kids shows in general) became unimaginative, ludicrous, and just plain stupid.

Now, the question is am I getting old man syndrome before my time, or have production values really gone downhill? Likely a little from column A, a little from column B...but who knows?

Re:I smell nostalgia. (1)

Lilith's Heart-shape (1224784) | more than 6 years ago | (#22222978)

I can't help you with that one. I couldn't stand kids' anything as a kid. Hell, the only reason I know what Bugs Bunny is is that I'd humor my father by watching Warner Bros. shorts with him.

Re:Why download bootleg movies? (1)

morari (1080535) | more than 6 years ago | (#22222320)

A Scanner Darkly was the only film on your list that I went to see in theaters. None of the theaters around here were showing it either, so I had to see it about one hundred miles away while visiting family. I'm selective about what I go to see in the theater, which usually amounts to one movie every year or two. And not just because of the outrageous prices, but the atmosphere as well. It bothers me to no end to hear people laugh at things that aren't funny or to gasp at things that aren't shocking. Let's not even get into the uncomfortable seating and murmurs that you can hear throughout. The only disappointment that strategy has brought me so far was The Village, which definitely was not worth paying to see. That said...

Thank You for Smoking was alright, though devolved into the same cliche crap as you'd expect by the end.

The Last King of Scotland was also alright, though proved yet again that not much happens in bio flicks. The acting was good though.

The Departed was boring. You wouldn't even know about it had it not had a "big name" director" tied to it.

The Bourne Identify was a big enough heap of garbage. No need to dive further into the series.

Hotel Rwanda was boring and annoying. It's real hard to feel sorry for people that ignore problems and hope it'll go away, then try to bride and/or cower their way out of it later.

A Scanner Darkly, however, was pretty good. Surprisingly the only accurate Philip K. Dick adaptation yet. I mean, Blade Runner is good, but hardly sticks close to the source. It did lack the sense of paranoia that the novel had however, opting to replace it with more of a druggie sense of humor throughout. The only big problem I had with it was that they found it necessary to beat the audience over the head with the ending, instead of going with something more subtle and thus more poignant. But, I guess they had to make sure every movie going moron out there "got" the not-quite twist. Oh, and I think that they could have used the rotoscoping to better effect, as the director had done in Waking Life.

Re:Why download bootleg movies? (1)

Pojut (1027544) | more than 6 years ago | (#22222500)

There are certain movies that I always go to see in theaters...movies like Cloverfield of Lord of the Rings are a good example...just go either to a super early showing, or take a couple hours off work and go in the middle of the afternoon.

Other movies (namely slasher flicks and the like) I like to goto midnight showings on opening night. The remake of Ju-On (The Grudge) was not scary at all, and frankly rather bad. However, my buddy and I went to see it opening night at midnight...the entire theatre was jam-packed with people, and they were reacting like crazy to what was happening on screen. For some reason, this lame movie was TERRIFYING because of the atmosphere generated by the rest of the crowd.

The talking, chewing, slurping, and whatever other noises do bother me a LITTLE, but generally I am able to tune it out (to a certain extent, naturally.)

Re:Why download bootleg movies? (1)

morari (1080535) | more than 6 years ago | (#22222434)

Oh, and The Fountain! How did I miss that one? That was, actually, one of the better films I've seen in quite a while. Darren Aronofsky continues to impress me with his efforts. I just wish I could persuade more people to watch it. Pan's Labyrinth came out about that time as well, which I also can't persuade anyone to borrow because they "don't want to think". One because of subtitles and the other because of content. People watch films to turn on, tune off, and drop out.

Of course, I'd suggest the LSD before most films. At least something profound might happen then. ;)

Re:Why download bootleg movies? (1)

Pojut (1027544) | more than 6 years ago | (#22222656)

Whenever someone asks me what I think about The Fountain, or if I'm trying to convince someone to watch it, this is what I say:

"Don't watch the trailers or read the synopsis that you would normally find...it is very difficult to describe this movie in that kind of way. The only way I have found to describe it is that it is like watching a movie from the future. The Fountain feels like it was made 10 years in the future."

Now, I don't know what I will say about it in 10 years, but I will worry about that later :-)

Re:Why download bootleg movies? (1)

ziggyguy (1034328) | more than 6 years ago | (#22222530)

How could you POSSIBLY forget JUNO !?!?!

Sigh... and don't tell me you just picked some random selected examples, this is /., every word you say or don't say can and will be held against you.

Re:Why download bootleg movies? (1)

Pojut (1027544) | more than 6 years ago | (#22223060)

I actually did just pick some random movies off the top of my head...in any case, Juno wouldn't have been included because I (regrettably) haven't had a chance to see it yet.

Re:Why download bootleg movies? (1)

DAtkins (768457) | more than 6 years ago | (#22222908)

Shoot 'em Up was the only good movie in the last year.

Re:Why download bootleg movies? (1)

Lumpy (12016) | more than 6 years ago | (#22221698)

Why? becausethe BluRAY and HDDVD discs I can buy are NOT IN HD on my HDTV. I have a HD set with component only and all HDDVD and BluRay players will NOT output HD on the component outputs if the "copy protection flag" is set on the disc... which it is on everything I touch.

so my only choice is to violate the law by ripping the BluRay disc to remove the copy protection and play it on a media PC in HD.

the MPAA has told a large number of us HDTV owners to go F ourselves. So we do what we can. Ps. a BluRAY disc compressed to a Divx-HD looks fantastic on my 1080i set and takes up very little space compared to the original movie file and the attached plethora of crap on the disc.

I see where you're coming from. (1)

Lilith's Heart-shape (1224784) | more than 6 years ago | (#22221806)

You're not downloading anything; you're just ripping the contents of the discs you bought and paid for. I have no argument with what you're doing, since I myself rip CDs that I've bought in order to put the music on my iPod, and also rip the DVDs I buy. Sure, it violates the law. I refuse to give a shit. I bought it, it's mine, and the MPAA can discuss their objections with the Devil down in Hell.

I was asking about the w4r3z kiddies who insist on wasting disc and bandwidth downloading bootleg media that they didn't pay for. If you're not willing to pay cash for it, then why waste disc space and bandwidth downloading it via P2P, considering that both cost money?

Re:I see where you're coming from. (1)

IndustrialComplex (975015) | more than 6 years ago | (#22222018)

Actually they do me a favor by skipping that whole step of me wasting my time trying to figure out how to get the video off the disk and onto my backup server.

I can't think of the last thing that I downloaded that I didn't already purchase.

Re:I see where you're coming from. (1)

Creepy Crawler (680178) | more than 6 years ago | (#22222076)

Simply put: some of our media is an entry barrier of our culture.

One may not want to watch it, or not care too much, but to blend with "normal" people, one needs to watch some of the movies/music to connect to many people.

Does one have to watch everything? Of course not. However, I do believe that there is some minimal amount of material one has to know about to blend with other normal people.

Re:I see where you're coming from. (1)

PachmanP (881352) | more than 6 years ago | (#22222242)

Simply put: some of our media is an entry barrier of our culture. One may not want to watch it, or not care too much, but to blend with "normal" people, one needs to watch some of the movies/music to connect to many people. Does one have to watch everything? Of course not. However, I do believe that there is some minimal amount of material one has to know about to blend with other normal people.

Yeah that worked really well in Galaxy Quest!

Oh, that's interesting. (1)

Lilith's Heart-shape (1224784) | more than 6 years ago | (#22222278)

Cultural literacy as a reason to download bootleg music/movies? That's new to me. I'm not sure I buy it. If I wanted to talk with a fan of Lost, I wouldn't bother watching the show on TV or downloading bootleg copies. I'd just find a plot summary on the net.

Re:Oh, that's interesting. (1)

Creepy Crawler (680178) | more than 6 years ago | (#22222938)

---Cultural literacy as a reason to download bootleg music/movies? That's new to me.

Along with this type of argument would be that much of our media is nigh worthless in terms of our (US) culture. It usually takes a bit of time to determine cultural worthiness vs some fad that will dissolve within months.

---I'd just find a plot summary on the net.

I don't think that would work. Perhaps hitting the summary sites might work, but in my experience it usually doesn't work. This problem seems to rear its head when one tries to fake the emotional parts of the story... script readers have no connection while the show-watchers do.

Now, is this a reason to download movies/series/music? Probably not. I certainly wouldn't dismiss it entirely either. Some connections I have made started entirely over music and movies... some of which I downloaded (and didn't like, but could talk about).

As a disclaimer, I'm going into electrical engineering BS, minor mathematics/anthropology (IUPUI). Take it as you will ;)

Re:Why download bootleg movies? (1)

Creepy Crawler (680178) | more than 6 years ago | (#22221820)

Why didn't you do your research and determine that the current inception of the HD goods are "infected" by the very problems you describe?

Our household has not went with HD yet because of these glaring problems. We will go with HD when we have full access via component or dual-dvi ports, hdmi be damned.

And, TV just isn't that important in our household. We watch about 4 series at most, along with some news. We're on the net more reading news and stuff.

Re:Why download bootleg movies? (2, Insightful)

Lumpy (12016) | more than 6 years ago | (#22221860)

you are correct, 6 years ago when I bought my set I should have consulted a medium and a witch to determine what the outcome would be. Nothing predicts technology like chicken blood, coffee grounds and eggs mixed with the bone of a wild cat.

Re:Why download bootleg movies? (2, Interesting)

Creepy Crawler (680178) | more than 6 years ago | (#22222176)

Even if you are of average intelligence (which I assume that you are higher, considering where we are), the constant barrage of anti-copying and zoning "technology" should have made you weary on what to buy, regardless of chicken bones and coffee grounds.

You know, past performance determines future behavior and all..

Re:Why download bootleg movies? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22222352)

Therefore by your logic, I should not buy any TV set. none support the new HDMI 1.5 spec they are heavily pushing as it allows them to increase encryption complexity and capabilities. Also BluRay and HDDVD players are also a no buy technology as they will not work in 6 years when they come out with yet another replacement system.

So you meant to say, stupid people buy things, as everything will be incompatable in one way or another. Just do not buy anything.

Lumpy and the rest of the world had NO OPTION back then. you bought a set and it was cutting edge if it had DVI on it, 90% of all sets made had Component and some even had firewire as inputs and outputs. (mine can record to a firewire drive, that feature was dropped in a hurry from all sets as you could record the ATSC signal TS directly to a commodity hard drive.)

Re:Why download bootleg movies? (1)

psmears (629712) | more than 6 years ago | (#22222498)

We will go with HD when we have full access via component or dual-dvi ports, hdmi be damned.

You need to be careful: HDMI is just a connector—roughly speaking, HDMI = DVI + SPDIF (in a single, smaller, connector). HDCP (the copy-prevention protocol) runs just as happily over DVI as over HDMI, as the two are electrically identical.

On the positive side, of course, that means you don't need to rule out all products that come with HDMI ports, as it's quite possible for a device to use HDMI without being "evil".

Re:Why download bootleg movies? (1)

Otter (3800) | more than 6 years ago | (#22221700)

Alternatively, one might wonder why w4r3z kiddies whose lives, self-importance, and reason for living revolve around stolen Hollywood music and movies feel the need to insist on how horrible said music and movies are, and how they wish that the producers of said music and movies would go out of business leaving the field to the producers of freely-distributable crap in which the w4r3z kiddies don't have the slightest interest.

Re:Why download bootleg movies? (1)

Lilith's Heart-shape (1224784) | more than 6 years ago | (#22221744)

The w4r3z kiddies aren't worth my attention, since I am not one of them.

Re:Why download bootleg movies? (1)

jedidiah (1196) | more than 6 years ago | (#22222092)

Nothing beats the voice of experience.

If you download everything, you are in a much better
position to be aware of it and know enough to comment
about it.

Re:Why download bootleg movies? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22221778)

Its because they know most of what they produce is shit. They know people wont buy most of the shit they produce on disc so sales are dropping. People need to enjoy a film to be motivated enough to watch it multiple times (and not just wait for their Tivo to pick it up). By shifting to a pay-per-view/listen model, they get you to pay even if you only see it or listen to it once. By blaming P2P for all their failings, they become the victim. Its only when they have the sympathy of congress and judges that they can begin to force the public into pay-per-view.

The MPAA members lose a hell of a lot of money on most big films but hide it by shoving losses onto other films that aren't expected to make profits so they look good for investors & advertisers. If the money spent on making films went on better actors (not the stupidly overpaid ones) and the writers and not special effects you'd get much better films. The movie companies think that special effects and big stars will make any film look good and will make the industry itself look good. Writers and those who create the works are paid almost nothing compared to the greedy executives and those who stand in front of the camera and try to look pretty.

In the case of the songwriters, they aren't motivated to create good music when most are just indentured servants who earn almost nothing from their creative work. Most of the money that is earned from the music/movie businesses goes to rich executives and not those who create the work. Why bother doing something good when you get the same wage for churning out mediocre drivel. This then requires the record companies to spend more and more on promotion and trying pushing the songs down everyone's throat.

Re:Why download bootleg movies? (1)

Lilith's Heart-shape (1224784) | more than 6 years ago | (#22221842)

So, the MPAA knows that most of their output is shit. I know it, and you know it. Chances are, everybody knows it. What I'm asking is this: if you know it's shit, why encourage them to squeeze out more of it by downloading it? Even if you download a bootleg copy, the MPAA can point to the downloaders and say, "See! There's a demand for our material; the little bastards just refuse to pay for it!" If it's trash, why not boycott the MPAA outright?

Re:Why download bootleg movies? (1)

morgan_greywolf (835522) | more than 6 years ago | (#22221846)

If there's one thing I'd like to know about the P2P controversy, it's this: why would people bother to waste bandwidth and disk space downloading bootleg copies of most of the garbage that the MPAA (not to mention RIAA member labels) attempts to foist upon the public? If anything, the MPAA should be paying people to watch garbage like Meet the Spartans and Untraceable.
The MPAA does have some redeeming content. The What the Bleep series [whatthebleep.com] is good example of this.

Redeeming features (2, Informative)

Lilith's Heart-shape (1224784) | more than 6 years ago | (#22221912)

Sure, and Benito Mussolini got the trains to run on time. One doesn't earn forgiveness for a mountain of fuckups by doing a few things right.

Re:Redeeming features (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22222326)

Sorry, you missed Godwin.

He went eastwards - hurry, you still might catch him.

Re:Why download bootleg movies? (1)

ivano (584883) | more than 6 years ago | (#22222080)

If they're anything like as bad as the first one then you've just proved that the MPAA has made no good movies. Did you really think that the movie, which pretty much got everything about quantum mechanics wrong, was a "good" movie?

Re:Why download bootleg movies? (1)

morgan_greywolf (835522) | more than 6 years ago | (#22222366)

Hmmm...

You'd have to see the 'Quantum Rabbit Hole Extended Edition'. The first movie was greatly abbreviated and tried to smash too many things together all at once. It's also not a movie about quantum physics. Quantum physics is only one aspect of the movie. It covers a cross-section of topics and tries to fit them altogether.

In either respect, both movies get quantum physics right -- it's just that not all of the movie is about quantum physics.

If you really think you know more about quantum physics than these PhDs, some of whom are world-reknowned quantum physicists, then I think you'd probably better think again unless you're posting from CERN. [whatthebleep.com]

Unfortunate childish reaction too many take (1)

Shivetya (243324) | more than 6 years ago | (#22222154)

which allows the MPAA and RIAA to brand these people easily.

Its the old and stupid "Get back at the man" mentality. Its vindictive and childish. As such the people who act this way are the least likely to be able to do anything rationale meaning their "plight" if prolonged. Prolonged until they get supplanted by people who do things with maturity.

Right now its this face that the RIAA/MPAA presents as its opposition, a face that the public can easily ignore as something it wants no association with. Whereas the entertainment industry does get the favor of the public by enlisting the very people who could be its downfall. Seen the recent Cloverfield use of the net? How many got caught up in it (not people from here mind you, but I bet a good number from here did). The latest American idol feeds right into the RIAA... you and I all know people caught up in this.

As long as the xxAA can portray themselves in the Cloverfield and American Idol methods while casting those opposed as the pirate, losers, outcasts, they aren't going to be threatened by anything.

Re:Why download bootleg movies? (2, Insightful)

BuckaBooBob (635108) | more than 6 years ago | (#22222272)

What I would love to see is some of the torrent sites (Or other P2P sites) Poll people downing movies as to why they didn't go see it in theaters or buy it on dvd. And publish them so the MPAA might start to realize just because a movie was downloaded 50K times it doesn't mean they lost 50K sales. a Poll might look like this.

a) I am a Collage Student and my choice was not eat for an entire day so I could pay to see this movie.. or Download a crappy version off the internet.
b) All the reviews said the movie was bad.. All my friends that saw the movie said it was bad.. I am curious if it was really that bad.. but not curious enough to shell out the price of a ticket.
c) I'd pay to see this movie.. But not 10$ not 5$ maybe a couple bucks..
d) I saw all the best parts of this movie in the trailer that available free on-line.. Why do I need to pay to see the crappy parts of the movie now?

In Other Words... (1)

$RANDOMLUSER (804576) | more than 6 years ago | (#22221530)

"Can't we all get along and play nice and respect each other?"

Yeah. Good luck with that.

Why don't people understand? (5, Insightful)

garcia (6573) | more than 6 years ago | (#22221544)

And MPAA and RIAA officials ... should acknowledge, respect and strongly support the continuing efforts of campus officials to address copyright issues, in part by ending the public posturing that portrays colleges and universities as dens of digital piracy.

The MPAA and RIAA aren't interested in anything except changing the publics' perception of their "plight". By recognizing their flawed research and statistics it would mean that their campaign to flood the eyes and ears of the uninformed via the media outlets, who are hungry for trash, would possibly end.

They are currently winning the war over parents and the majority of educational administrators who are worried that those they have jurisdiction over are doing things that someone told them was theft. They don't want to have others look poorly on them and they are going to spend an inordinate amount of time ensuring that they are doing everything they can to stop this horrible threat to our youth! Unfortunately, that comes at a serious cost in an arena that is notoriously short on funding and which should honestly have a lot more important shit to worry about.

What is the most tiring is that the media outlet continue to eat what the MPAA/RIAA are feeding them and the parents don't sit down to think about anything other than how to "talk to their kids about drugs" errr, I mean "stealing"! I guess because many of us who are either just becoming parents or aren't planning for kids for at least a few more years have sat through the majority of the Nancy-period and the bullshit anti-drug messages, we are more immune to being bombarded with this crap. Unfortunately, the rest of them are all caving to the media pressure. "Don't let this happen to you!"

I wish that more higher education institutions had the ability to pull off what Harvard did but the financial funding just isn't there to fight it in the short term but instead, wasting resources and funds over the long term is. The MPAA/RIAA knows exactly what they are doing and how to exploit those they are attacking and it sucks, bad.

Re:Why don't people understand? (1)

zakone (1227236) | more than 6 years ago | (#22221682)

The MPAA and RIAA are getting more larger than life than the artists they are trying to protect. The collective licensing thing seems a good way to get rid of these self righteous hypocrites whom seem to do little other than sit around on their arses and pull up kids using p2p at home and colleges. Why they'll go after the ISPs next, for being accessory to theft and IPR infringement.

Re:Why don't people understand? (1)

whisper_jeff (680366) | more than 6 years ago | (#22221948)

The MPAA/RIAA knows exactly what they are doing and how to exploit those they are attacking...

I'd have to disagree. Using the RIAA as an example, their member-companies are watching sales continue to decline. Sure, some will blame piracy but those of us with a clue know that a failure to adapt to the new digital age in a timely manner and a continued trend of releasing a sub-par product at an inflated price has done more to harm their bottom lines than "piracy" ever could. So, forgive me if I think the MPAA/RIAA doesn't have a clue what they are doing (though I will agree they are exploiting everyone they possibly can, including those they claim to represent...).

Re:Why don't people understand? (4, Insightful)

Rogerborg (306625) | more than 6 years ago | (#22222144)

OTOH, you could view it as them playing the long game. They know that their business model is shot to hell, and that today there's nothing that they can do about it because general purpose computing devices ultimately treat all bits equally, so they've lost their cartel monopoly on high quality distribution.

However, look at what they're doing in response: sowing FUD, reframing the debate, and buying politicians. I believe that their long term goal is to put the genie back in the bottle and outlaw general purpose computing devices that treat arbitrary bits as copyable by default. Perhaps it's not a credible goal, perhaps its even risible, but bear in mind that they've already got Redmond in their corner [wikipedia.org] , so it's not completely beyond the pale.

Don't write off the ??AAs. They are rich, powerful, they consider that they they enjoy a right to be profitable, and they are utterly without ethics or effective oversight. I suspect that eventually we'll be relying on Europe to prevent a Intel/Microsoft/??AA super-cartel from forcing a computing monoculture on us where arbitrary bits are uncopyable by default.

Laugh if you like, but first consider who the next President is likely to be, and her unabashed view that Washington actually should be run by lobbyists and corporate interests.

This caused more piracy (2, Interesting)

acoustix (123925) | more than 6 years ago | (#22221562)

If anything, the MPAA's constant announcements that rabid P2P use among high school and college students was a major concern only fueled the fire for more kids to pirate movies.

Re:This caused more piracy (1)

jedidiah (1196) | more than 6 years ago | (#22222130)

You mean I can get it all for free? Whooaaah!

Re:This caused more piracy (1)

moderatorrater (1095745) | more than 6 years ago | (#22222562)

But I thought the line "everybody's doing it" scared high school students away!

Please think of the recording artists (5, Funny)

biscon (942763) | more than 6 years ago | (#22221574)

Detective: This is the home of Lars Ulrich, the drummer for Metallica. [they approach a bush] Look. There's Lars now, sitting by his pool. [he's seen sitting on the edge of a chaise longue, his face in his hands, softly sobbing]

Kyle: What's the matter with him?

Detective: This month he was hoping to have a gold-plated shark tank bar installed right next to the pool, but thanks to people downloading his music for free, he must now wait a few months before he can afford it. [a close-up of Lars sobbing] Come. There's more. [leads them away. Next seen is a small airport at night] Here's Britney Spears' private jet. Notice anything? [a shot of Britney boarding a plane, then stopping to look at it before entering] Britney used to have a Gulfstream IV. Now she's had to sell it and get a Gulfstream III because people like you chose to download her music for free. [Britney gives a heavy sigh and goes inside.] The Gulfstream III doesn't even have a remote control for its surround-sound DVD system. Still think downloading music for free is no big deal?

Kyle: We... didn't realize what we were doing, eh...

Detective: That is the folly of man. Now look in this window. [they are at another mansion, and they look inside a picture window] Here you see the loving family of Master P. [He's shown tossing a basketball to his wife while his kid tries to catch it] Next week is his son's birthday and, all he's ever wanted was an island in French Polynesia. [his mom lowers the ball and gives it to the boy, who smiles, picks it up and drops it. It rolls away and he goes after it]

Kyle: So, he's gonna get it, right?

Detective: I see an island without an owner. If things keep going the way they are, the child will not get his tropical paradise.

Stan: [apologetically] We're sorry! We'll, we'll never download music for free again!

Detective: [somberly, dramatically] Man must learn to think of these horrible outcomes before he acts selfishly or else... I fear... recording artists will be forever doomed to a life of only semi-luxury.

Re:Please think of the recording artists (5, Interesting)

$RANDOMLUSER (804576) | more than 6 years ago | (#22221640)

You're buying into exactly what the RIAA wants you to think - that musicians make lots of money from selling albums. They don't. Musicians make their money from touring, from playing to audiences for money. The people who make lots of money from selling albums are the record companies.

Re:Please think of the recording artists (2, Insightful)

dreamchaser (49529) | more than 6 years ago | (#22221674)

Which is exactly why 'artists' like Metallica and U2 shouldn't help support that fallacy.

Re:Please think of the recording artists (1)

zakone (1227236) | more than 6 years ago | (#22221764)

Go Radiohead ! They are teh 733t with In Rainbows ^_^

Re:Please think of the recording artists (1)

farkus888 (1103903) | more than 6 years ago | (#22221740)

actually gp was quoting south parks mockery of the RIAA's claims that artists make lots of money from album sales.

Actually.. (1)

biscon (942763) | more than 6 years ago | (#22221894)

I was reminded of that particular South Park episode (Faith+1) after reading the summary (no of course I didn't RTFA, this IS slashdot afterall ;) about how they want to educate college students about the dangers of piracy. The reason I posted that transcript is because I think it is rather bizarre that educational institutions must educate their (presumably piss poor) students about piracy, inorder to save some already ultra rich assholes obsolete business model. I agree that corporate parasites are the ones making the most money of album sales, so im not buying into anything, but thanks for pointing it out :).

Re:Please think of the recording artists (4, Informative)

Noren (605012) | more than 6 years ago | (#22222976)

That's not QUITE true. The small number of artists who have been popular for a long time, with consistent sales, actually do make quite a bit of money from album sales. This is because they were in a position to renegotiate favorably with recording studios after the lengthy initial contract.

Which is why long established bands like Metallica and U2 are the only musicians who care enough about piracy to speak out on it- they are the rare exceptions of musicians who actually are getting paid for album sales.

See this Courney Love essay [salon.com] . (Yes, Courtney Love wrote an informative essay on the topic. Who knew?)

Re:Please think of the recording artists (1)

fropenn (1116699) | more than 6 years ago | (#22223054)

Actually, most musicians don't make enough to earn a living. Only a few top performers ever turn it into a full-time gig, and of those, only a tiny percentage ever become super-rich. I wouldn't feel bad about Metallica losing a few bucks - but taking revenue from the regional artist who works to feed his family causes me more pause in downloading knowing that if s/he doesn't get paid, s/he won't perform any more.
I've always heard that you tour to support the album sales - that most artists don't make too much money from the tour but do it so they can sell more albums. Of course, this is /., so I don't have any sources...but it would be nice if someone could shed light on this debate with some real evidence.

Hilarious! (1)

doggod (1081287) | more than 6 years ago | (#22221666)

I loved this! Says it all!

Re:Please think of the recording artists (1)

elrous0 (869638) | more than 6 years ago | (#22221990)

South Park already did it!

Ummm (3, Informative)

Amorymeltzer (1213818) | more than 6 years ago | (#22221618)

Shouldn't it be the 200% error? The number they gave was 300% of the new one, but they were wrong by 200% in the same way that 110 is 110% of 100 but only 10% wrong.

Re:Ummm (1)

Thanshin (1188877) | more than 6 years ago | (#22221892)

Shouldn't it be the 200% error? The number they gave was 300% of the new one, but they were wrong by 200% in the same way that 110 is 110% of 100 but only 10% wrong.
So he committed a 50% error then?

Don't be so harsh, after all he also was 50% right.

Re:Ummm (2, Funny)

JCSoRocks (1142053) | more than 6 years ago | (#22221914)

Yeah... people aren't so sharp when it comes to percentages and numbers. An old manager at my work once said that productivity had increased 200%, not realizing that a 200% increase was in fact equivalent to a 3-fold increase. What she meant was 100%, or that people were being twice as productive. But, the numbers were all BS anyway, so people just nodded and smiled and laughed on the inside.

Re:Ummm (1)

Alsee (515537) | more than 6 years ago | (#22223080)

Don't blame Slashdot...
they were wrote up the story on an old Pentium PC.

-

The Price Is Right with Host Dan Glickman! (4, Funny)

eldavojohn (898314) | more than 6 years ago | (#22221622)

Unfortunately, the MPAA has yet to release the actual reports that generated either the 44 percent or 15 percent claims about the role of college students in digital piracy; the public data are limited to PowerPoint graphics in PDF format on the association's web site.
MPAA Secretary: I'm almost done authoring the report on college file sharing piracy ruining the movie industry, sir. I just need to know what number the researchers found in their study.
Dan Glickman: Researchers? We're an organization of lawyers, not scienticians! We make the numbers, not find them. But it can't be too high or it will be unrealistic and people will ask questions but the higher it is, the more blame we can put on it.
MPAA Secretary: 50 percent?
Dan Glickman: Too high, go lower.
MPAA Secretary: 30 percent?
Dan Glickman: Higher.
MPAA Secretary: 40 percent?
Dan Glickman: Higher.
MPAA Secretary: 45 percent?
Dan Glickman: Lower.
MPAA Secretary: 41 percent?
Dan Glickman: Higher.
MPAA Secretary: 42 percent?
Dan Glickman: Higher.
MPAA Secretary: 43 percent?
Dan Glickman: Higher.
MPAA Secretary: 44 percent?
Dan Glickman: Ding ding ding!
MPAA Secretary: But sir, that's a lot of money, what if they ask questions?
Dan Glickman: Oh, grow up, it's in PowerPoint! PowerPoint is never wrong. Rocket scientists don't even question what's in PowerPoint [nasa.gov] ! What is your problem?

In all seriousness though, I've drawn up solutions on green engineering paper in the middle of meetings with pencil and everytime my boss hated it. But if I went back to my desk and made a box with a computer pointing to another box full of fecal matter in PowerPoint, management gobbles that right up without asking any questions.

Box office takes talk (1)

192939495969798999 (58312) | more than 6 years ago | (#22221632)

If you look down the weekly box office totals, you see numbers like 40 million for #1, on down to 1 million for #10. Even if the take was only 100 million for a week, that's still not a shortage of cash to any business I know about. How many industries gross 100 million per week?

I'd think that if downloading were really having a huge impact, that number would be more like 10 million a week total for the box office top 10 movies.

Gross isn't everything. (1)

Lilith's Heart-shape (1224784) | more than 6 years ago | (#22221694)

Don't look at the grosses alone. 40 million for Evil Dead II is a huge profit. 40 million for The Golden Compass would be a humiliating loss for the studio, prompting firings and fervent prayers to the dark lord Shabranigdo that the film makes more money on DVD/merchandise sales and foreign releases.

Deep thought (1)

spleen_blender (949762) | more than 6 years ago | (#22221648)

It always seems those that try to practice game theory in real life always seem to neglect that being nice to each other has advantages in the game as well; and that being mean can offset any of the apparent gains had from following a skewed model that would ignore human emotion.

The *IAAs just need a bit of lovin' :(

Bush - WMD - MPAA - Piracy (Copyrite infringment) (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22221692)

Well it's a bit like invading Iraq, they have those WMDs that can be fired in 45 minutes and hit credible targets, lets go to war and make millions for some and let you and I pay for years for the folly. well the MPAA has or is getting their laws, so what the hey. Money Money Money, Lies Lies Lies

A great man once said... (5, Interesting)

MrNemesis (587188) | more than 6 years ago | (#22221748)

...if you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.

Ooops, sorry, insta-Godwin.

But we see the same tactics from the RIAA all the time - persistently referring to copyright infringement as stealing (maybe I should redefine "RIAA executive" as "sex offender"? I'd love to be able to change the meanings of legally applicable terms to suit my preference), persistently telling us that "piracy" loses a magical $X billion from the economy every year, that it supports terrorism/drug dealers/the mafia/anyone else seen as "bad". Lies. More lies. TFA (a good, polite rant) is just a catalogue of their lies and, occasionally spin-tastic back-pedalling. And yet such an organisation is not only allowed to exist, but to get in bed with the government too? And now they want to get their greasy paws on every privately owned internet connection in the US?

Sorry, no. I think my insta-Godwin was half-warranted in the case of these capricious fucks.

A great man being George Creel? (2, Informative)

IvyKing (732111) | more than 6 years ago | (#22222512)

What a lot of people don't realize is that Hitler's Minister of Propaganda had taken lessons from the Woodrow Wilson administration, especially George Creel. There were some incredible lies told to bolster support for WW1 in the US which were revealed in the 1920's, which was a major reason why the US public did not want to get involved in another European war.


No insta-Godwin for you...

Re:A great man being George Creel? (1)

MrNemesis (587188) | more than 6 years ago | (#22222778)

Thanks for the Creel reference, I'd never seen the name mentioned before (but was aware of the misonfirmation campaign during Woodrow Wilson's administration); it's generally only the european side of WW1 that's common knowledge over here. Some interesting reading coming up :)

Re:A great man once said... (1)

Belial6 (794905) | more than 6 years ago | (#22222762)

From Wikipedia: "Godwin's law applies especially to inappropriate, inordinate, or hyperbolic comparisons of other situations (or one's opponent) with Hitler or Nazis or their actions. It does not apply to discussions directly addressing genocide, propaganda, or other mainstays of the Nazi regime."

Given that this article is directly about propaganda, you get a free pass in comparing them to the Nazis.

why do people think this matters? (4, Insightful)

circletimessquare (444983) | more than 6 years ago | (#22221838)

people will trade movies online. for free. without any limitations. they just will, get used to it. no matter what laws anyone passes. end of story, there really is no alternative to that future

movies will still be made for $100 million. the studios will just make their money only in the theatres. there just will be no more online/ dvd/ vhs aftermarket

oh yeah, remember the vhs? that the studios fought tooth and nail in the 1980s because it was going to kill their movie business? which they now count as a huge cash cow? and which they now vigorously defend? pffft. yeah, like those guys understand a damn thing about what they are talking about

people announced the death of the moviehouse in the 1950s. why? television. this was two decades before "Jaws" and the birth of the summer blockbuster. some genius prognostication there, huh? same with those predicting the internet, and the hdtv, and all of that will kill the theatre. uh, no. history repeating itself. the theatre business is secure, really

studios will still make lots of money, people will still jam movie houses, no matter what a bunch of asocial slashdotters in their parent's basement say. watching anime on a 17 inch monitor by yourself in your basement is NOT a threat to people going to the movies on dates, in families, in groups, to see the blockbuster first, etc. no matter what technological advance is made. seriously

hollywood: you're just going to have to wean yourself of the dvd aftermarket. there will be nothing online to match that cash cow, and the internet is going to kill that cash cow. go ahead and pass a bunch of laws, pay off some congressman, step up in enforcement. doesn't matter in the least. that cash cow is going bye bye, nothing is going to replace it. deal with that, nothing is changing that fact

just put yourself in your 1980s "the aftermarket is going to kill the movie business!" point of view, you'll get used to the change

morons

Re:why do people think this matters? (1)

jedidiah (1196) | more than 6 years ago | (#22222204)

The asocial slashdotters are already watching those movies
in their living room on a 60" TV or using some sort of projector.
Your characterization is wildly out of touch with reality.

        Take a $1000 projector, about 12 feet of throw distance and
add a well setup surround sound system and the MPAA is f*cked.

        This is what the non-asocial non-slashdot reading types are
all doing in the suburbs. What do you think they do with all of
that gratuitous space in those McMansions?

        "Home Theatre"

        Nevermind Slashbots. The MPAA has to worry about all of
the yuppies with their home theatres.

some said the same thing about the tv in the 1950s (1)

circletimessquare (444983) | more than 6 years ago | (#22222538)

tv didn't kill the theatre in the 1950s. the theatre kept growing

why?

they did studies. it's sort of a post-modern church. psychologiclly, people go there to feel like part of a community, the other gasps, laughs, etc. in a movie house heighten the experience. yes, dorothy, that effect is taking into account the crying babies, the asshole with the cell phone, etc.

seriously: the hdtv, internet movies, etc. will not alter the money made at theatres. because its a controlled venue, a must have experience. its psychology

you probably still have a lovely retort to my point

your point also applies to the television

why didn't tv kill the theatre in the 1950s?

case closed

Technawlogee (1)

daninspokane (1198749) | more than 6 years ago | (#22221878)

Quick thought.... do most people have a dedicated T1 line for downloading movies at high speeds an en masse?

I have DSL, most people have what... Comcast? I just don't think the technology is there and commonly available at a price we can afford to make the average college student some huge pirate. Most of us play CS/WoW/TF2... and uhhh.. we don't like our latency slowed down by downloading movies...so ... we don't? They failed to compensate for the gamers...!! THE GAAMMERRSS!!!

Re:Technawlogee (1)

dosius (230542) | more than 6 years ago | (#22222266)

T1 ain't that fast really.

My ADSL is 3072:768 - roughly half a T1's worth of uplink, 2 T1s' worth of downlink.

-uso.

Re:Technawlogee (1)

Gewalt (1200451) | more than 6 years ago | (#22222300)

The average residential cable connection is WAY faster than a T1. And most FTTx implementations just completely obliterate cable.

How much is really "Internet Piracy?" (5, Insightful)

Jason Levine (196982) | more than 6 years ago | (#22221884)

According to this Ars Technica article ( http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20060505-6761.html [arstechnica.com] ), the $6.1 billion that the MPAA claims is lost to piracy is a highly inflated number. Ok, I'll pause while everyone says "Well, DUH!".... ... done? ... ok, good. Let's proceed.

Apparently, "bootlegging" costs them $2.4 million. This is typically "hard piracy" or a guy on a street corner selling a copied DVD for $5. Let's give the MPAA this figure.

The next portion is $1.4 billion "lost" to illegal copying. Now this isn't someone putting Star Wars up on a P2P network. This is someone taking their Star Wars DVD and making a backup copy of it. Apparently, the MPAA feels that you should pay for backup copies and not doing so is costing them money. This is likely just a load of horse manure, but let's leave it be for now because the next one is what really interests me.

Finally, they claim $2.3 billion in losses to "internet piracy". Since they claim that most of the losses are overseas (say, 40%) and 15% of the US Internet piracy happens on campuses, that's $138 million ($2.3 Billion * 0.4 * 0.15). Now, they also are claiming that each P2P copy downloaded is a lost sale. I disagree with that and think that the real "lost sales" figures are far lower. I'm willing to grant them a compromise, though, and assume that a one in three downloaded copies is a lost sale. This takes the losses figure down to $46 million. Finally, some of those "lost sales" would have been used copies, rentals, or other legal "reduced cost" methods. So let's assume that this takes reduces their revenue by 20% (again, being generous)*. This takes their Internet Piracy loss down to just under $37 million.

So for $37 million lost annually, the MPAA wants severe Federal laws that would deny students a college education if someone else on the campus pirates a movie?

* Ok, I pulled a lot of the numbers out of my behind, but so did the MPAA. At least my numbers are likely to be closer to reality.

Re:How much is really "Internet Piracy?" (1)

Wylfing (144940) | more than 6 years ago | (#22222516)

I think there is something like 16 million students enrolled in colleges & universities in the U.S. each year. Using your figures, that means $2.30 per student. So I guess they think it's fair that because you "took" $2.30 from them, they should take $100,000 from you.

And Yet, the RIAA Loses No Credibility (0, Flamebait)

asphaltjesus (978804) | more than 6 years ago | (#22221940)

It reminds me of Team America World Police, "We will write you an open letter asking you to explain your motives!"

And yet, nearly all of the righteous ./'ers continue to consume the cartel's product, or steal it. Both of which are wrong and just start another round of circle jerk.

Re:And Yet, the RIAA Loses No Credibility (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22222024)

people on slashdot don't give a fuck about copyright or right and wrong, they just want to weasel out of paying for entertainment, because they think they wont get caught. its leeching and free loading at its very worst. this political smokescreen is just pure bull.

Re:And Yet, the RIAA Loses No Credibility (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22222208)

You forgot the part where they claim with no evidence that piracy actually increases revenue because it is like free advertising.

Hold up a minute... (1)

zappepcs (820751) | more than 6 years ago | (#22221950)

Wait for it....

What the **AA still are not telling us is how and where they found what proof (if any) that P2P file sharing is hurting their business, nor have the quantified how the quality of their product taints that estimate. Remember that old adage about comparing apples and oranges?

Now, factor in the damage done by Radiohead or NIN. How does that affect their bottom line, and tell me in dollars and cents because wild ass guesses are not good enough in a court of law where they are claiming dollar and cent damages.

Better still, if they are %200+ wrong on their calculations for damages, couldn't that be called criminal? I had always been told that lying in court is a criminal offence.

I believe that a court of law should question any claim of damage that does not account for losses due to other natural business related damage to revenue. Seriously, if they can not quantify their losses due to having crap products, their estimate of losses due to copyright theft is just noise, and stinks like it was made by escaping gases from their collective asses.

There's Method Here (4, Insightful)

Vengance Daemon (946173) | more than 6 years ago | (#22221998)

"Did you really think that we want those laws to be observed? We want them broken. You'd better get it straight that it's not a bunch of boy scouts you're up against . . . We're after power and we mean it. You fellows were pikers, but we know the real trick, and you'd better get wise to it. There's no way to rule innocent men. The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren't enough criminals, one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws. Who wants a nation of law-abiding citizens? What's there in that for anyone? But just pass the kind of laws that can neither be observed nor enforced nor objectively interpreted and you create a nation of law-breakers - and then you cash in on guilt."

Ayn Rand, Atlas Shrugged

Colleges respect copyright? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22222088)

I don't know what universe the author came from, but colleges DO NOT respect copyrights. Just checkout all the photocopied and bound books in the departmental libraries.

Choosing and Selecting (1)

kamapuaa (555446) | more than 6 years ago | (#22222192)

And MPAA and RIAA officials ... should acknowledge, respect and strongly support the continuing efforts of campus officials to address copyright issues, in part by ending the public posturing that portrays colleges and universities as dens of digital piracy.

For that to happen, colleges and universities will have to stop being dens of digital piracy. Everybody who's been to college in the last 10 or 15 years knows it's true. Slashdot it being ridiculous, ignoring well-known facts because they happen to disagree with their argument.

Simple answer? (1)

erroneus (253617) | more than 6 years ago | (#22222702)

THE TRUTH!
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