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U2's Manager Calls For Mandatory Disconnects For Music Downloaders

Zonk posted more than 6 years ago | from the got-a-few-things-to-get-off-of-his-chest dept.

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sleeplesseye writes "In a speech at the Midem music industry convention in Cannes, Paul McGuinness, longtime manager of the band U2, has called on Internet service providers to immediately introduce mandatory French-style service disconnections to end music downloading, and has urged governments to force ISPs to adopt such policies. McGuinness criticized Radiohead's 'In Rainbows' pay-what-you-want business model, saying that 'the majority of downloads were through illegal P2P download services like BitTorrent and LimeWire'. He also accused ISPs, telcos, device makers, and numerous specifically named companies such as Apple, Google, Yahoo!, Oracle, and Facebook of building 'multi billion dollar industries on the back of our content without paying for it', and of being 'makers of burglary kits' who have made 'a thieves' charter' to steal money from the music industry. The full text of his speech has been posted on U2's website."

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What a crock (5, Insightful)

FredFredrickson (1177871) | more than 6 years ago | (#22222322)

From TFTA:

Notwithstanding the promotional noise, even Radioheads honesty box principle showed that if not constrained, the customer will steal music.
Ok, not to state the obvious here, but if they're offering it free, that means it wasn't stealing. I would like to say, while there are some that obviously would try to steal it whether it was free or not, some may have been compelled to pick it up for free that wouldn't have even bothered to buy orsteal it in the first place. If it's free, might as well give it a try. That's not increased piracy-- that's increased exposure. Radiohead's huge, but a lot of my friends don't listen to them. This gave them a chance to join the Radiohead bandwagon.

Aside from that, Paul continues to show his disconnection from reality by using Radiohead's example. Radiohead made far more money distributing it this way than they ever did with a record label. His entire speech was nothing more than a "oh noes! Please help me save our dying business model."

Talk about profitting off the backs of other's work- he's using U2's name (and website) to push his agenda!

Re:What a crock (5, Interesting)

ePhil_One (634771) | more than 6 years ago | (#22222400)

Talk about profitting off the backs of other's work- he's using U2's name (and website) to push his agenda!

I'm curious what U2 has to say about this. I haven't had much reason to buy U2 music lately anyway, but until now I've been OK with their politics. Be a shame if I have to start bad mouthing them because he supports a completely assinine potition on net rights.

Re:What a crock (4, Insightful)

flitty (981864) | more than 6 years ago | (#22222644)

Talk about profitting off the backs of other's work
I, for one, don't subscribe to the "internets" just to download illegal music. Of all the reasons I have internet, Illegal mp3 downloading is not one of them. As I've said many times before, When someone offers music online, DRM free, cheaper than a physical album (mp3's should NOT be the same price as a physical, lossless album) I'll buy MP3's. Until then, If you don't give me a reasonable option to buy your album, I'll either buy it in the store, or ignore it altogether. Thanks for adding U2 to the tainted "Metallica" pool of music downloading.

U2: Union Busters (5, Interesting)

spun (1352) | more than 6 years ago | (#22222650)

U2 started using Stage Crew Services, a non union shop, back in the '90s. Seeing as how they were born working class and still tout their so-called activism, that smells of hypocrisy to me. I haven't bought a U2 album since. Funny thing, everyone is so up in U2's ass, you can't find much about it on the web. I was part of a protest against them, we got a chance to talk to them, and Bono was the biggest piece of shit ever. Basically said, "Do you know who I am, and what I've done? I'm the biggest activist in the world, who are you peons to criticize me? I'll hire whoever I like."

Re:What a crock (2, Insightful)

milsoRgen (1016505) | more than 6 years ago | (#22222460)

Ok, not to state the obvious here, but if they're offering it free, that means it wasn't stealing.


Not to mention the fact that downloading is not stealing, illegal or not. No one is deprived of their property through a download as has been pointed out many times before.

Re:What a crock (1)

KublaiKhan (522918) | more than 6 years ago | (#22222574)

Not to mention even further that if, indeed, the majority of these downloads were through these 'illegal' services (an incorrect term, but the one he used--P2P has more than enough legit uses) then the majority of the bandwidth and other distribution costs were not paid for by the band.

In other words, by taking advantage of this distribution method, the band is able to reach a wider audience for far less in advertising costs than anybody else.

More distribution for less money? That's a winner--for anyone who isn't a complete gibbering idiot, anyway.

Re:What a crock (5, Funny)

FredFredrickson (1177871) | more than 6 years ago | (#22222536)

This guy is off the hook!

TFA:

Its time for a new approach - time for ISPs to start taking responsibility for the content theyve profited from for years.
I, for one, would not have an internet connection if it weren't for all those illegal downloads. Clearly verizon is proffiting off of illegal downloads.

Wait! Why stop there? Creative Labs made my speakers and sound card! They're the ones enabling my illegal habits! Get 'em! It's about time they stop profitting of the backs of hardworking musicians. They didn't write ANY of the music! Oh and for god's sake can we please start charging Microsoft for allowing us to even install these P2P apps? For the longest time, Microsoft has profitted off the backs of artists by allowing this filth to be installed on their operating system!

And so on and so on. Seriously, grandpa, stop bitching, you're making your band look bad.

Re:What a crock (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22222618)

And so on and so on. Seriously, grandpa, stop bitching, you're making your band look bad.

You forgot, take away their CD palyers, because they are clearly capable of being used to play pirated music. And tape players. Clearly the only option is to return to LP vinyl and lots of U2 concerts...

Re:What a crock (1)

zolf13 (941799) | more than 6 years ago | (#22222788)

... and if there are people who drive cars without a license we can always ask oil companies to pay for them!
Extending this bussiness model to guns is a matter of time.

Re:What a crock (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22222684)

Talk about profitting off the backs of other's work- he's using U2's name (and website) to push his agenda!

It wouldn't surprise me to learn that U2 support his statements, Bono has said similarly clueless things about copyright in the past and supports making copyright even more draconian.

Re:What a crock (1)

gerddie (173963) | more than 6 years ago | (#22222780)

His entire speech was nothing more than a "oh noes! Please help me save our dying business model."
Well, exactly,from TFA:

Let's appeal to those fine minds [...] to apply their genius to cooperating with us to save the recorded music industry (accentuation added),
They must be really desperate ...

Re:What a crock (1)

terrymr (316118) | more than 6 years ago | (#22222848)

The fascinating thing with the Radiohead experiment was that they probably received more money that way that they would have done through traditional distribution even though many people paid nothing at all.

Ya sure.. (0)

moogied (1175879) | more than 6 years ago | (#22222328)

I'll only do it if you u2 do it. *waves good bye to karma*

Re:Ya sure.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22222422)

Bono is not the record holder, he is the record.

Why should ISP lose profits? (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22222338)

Why should ISPs lose profits to protect another industry's profits?

Re:Why should ISP lose profits? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22222716)

For Aiding and Abetting the theif? The guy driving the getaway car goes to jail for murder, too.

In the name of love... (3, Funny)

monkeyboythom (796957) | more than 6 years ago | (#22222344)

Hardly

With Or Without You (1)

Joe the Lesser (533425) | more than 6 years ago | (#22222654)

The consumers will get their way.

Evolution (1)

flitty (981864) | more than 6 years ago | (#22222714)

of the music industry.

The ones who have the most to lose (5, Insightful)

elrous0 (869638) | more than 6 years ago | (#22222348)

...are always the one who scream loudest.

Re:The ones who have the most to lose (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22222602)

Ohmigod, what a freaking insight! Next you'll be telling me that a bunch of server kickers and cable pullers can afford to sneer about copyright because they've never created anything useful in their lives and never will.

Re:The ones who have the most to lose (2, Informative)

Penguinisto (415985) | more than 6 years ago | (#22222798)

Ohmigod, what a freaking insight! Next you'll be telling me that a bunch of server kickers and cable pullers can afford to sneer about copyright because they've never created anything useful in their lives and never will.

Oh, Really? [oreilly.com]

...are you sure? [drydog.com]

I mean, seriously - you're sure about that? [boingboing.net]

Idiot.

/P

If we still had 14 or 23 year copyright... (5, Insightful)

Animats (122034) | more than 6 years ago | (#22222358)

U2's good stuff would be public domain by now if we had reasonable copyright lengths, like we used to.

like we used to? (2, Informative)

wiredog (43288) | more than 6 years ago | (#22222590)

When was that? It used to be life of the author, plus 20 years. So U2's stuff would still be theirs.

Re:like we used to? (1)

Overzeetop (214511) | more than 6 years ago | (#22222730)

When copyright was instituted in the US in 1790, the term was 14 years, with an option to renew for an additional 14 years.

Hey Paul (5, Insightful)

Captain Splendid (673276) | more than 6 years ago | (#22222370)

With all due respect, Paul, Fuck you.

I've bought U2's albums, t-shirts, concert tickets and other crap. Over the years, I've easily spent several hundred dollars on your band's products. Same goes for hundreds of other artists: Concerts, posters, tshirts, albums, box sets, fan club-only items. Hell, some albums I've bought multiple times in multiple formats over the years.

I've got a huge DVD library, and it keeps growing. I'll happily pay premium prices for Criterion editions, I'm a hardcore movie geek who's always loved going to the cinema, sometimes even repeat fucking viewings for movies I really like.

So when you come out with this ignorant, self-serving tripe and try to pass it off as a moral issue, I look at you and get sick to my fucking stomach. I'm terribly fucking sorry I downloaded your band's last album just so I could get my hands on that lame "quatorze" single. Fuck, I can't even remember the last time I listened to that song (I sure as shit didn't bother with the rest of the album).

Hell, if it makes you feel better, I'll delete it when I get home tonight. Not really any skin off my nose. I've got my $120 Led Zep Box set to keep me warm at night. I've got the Joshua Tree and Rattle & Hum, 2 albums I've paid full retail for more than once.

Big big fan of U2, at least until Pop, anyway. Shame they're on the decline. Shame you're a douchebag.

One last thing. Facebook? Apple? Get some meds, man. Even the worst **AA shill isn't that shrill.

Re:Hey Paul (1)

DoofusOfDeath (636671) | more than 6 years ago | (#22222598)

Isn't this the post that got the award for the most uses of the work "fuck" in a serious post?

Re:Hey Paul (2, Funny)

jjleard (575385) | more than 6 years ago | (#22222768)

Isn't this the post that got the award for the most uses of the work "fuck" in a serious post?
I don't know but I fucking love it. Spot on, Splendid.

Re:Hey Paul (3, Insightful)

morgan_greywolf (835522) | more than 6 years ago | (#22222626)

Right on, man. Seriously.

This guy deserves to have a new asshole ripped for him.

Paul:

Apple? Oracle? Huh? Apple's a REAL stretch, and Oracle is just -- well a mind-bogglingly super stretch. Apple sells music, dumbass. Oracle? Oracle makes databases. In fact, they don't make anything else, really. Databases that are used for all sorts of stuff, including cataloging YOUR BAND'S ALBUMS FOR SALE on music and retail Web sites. Not to mention probably half of your financial history and most of your medical history is probably sitting somewhere in one of several Oracle databases right now. Give it a rest.

Paul McGuinness is now officially the new laughingstock of World Wide Web. Congrats, Paul!

U2's always been like this (Re:Hey Paul) (5, Informative)

Tackhead (54550) | more than 6 years ago | (#22222718)

> With all due respect, Paul, Fuck you.

Paul ain't due much respect. U2 has been on the forefront of anti-fair-use since the incident involving Negativland [negativland.com] in 1991: The Letter U and the Numeral 2

The track parodies the whole top-40 industry by sampling the backbeat of "Still Haven't Found What I'm Looking For", and punches in bits of Casey Kasem going apeshit!. It's not just hilarious, it's one of the single most important cases in the history of sample-based music. Long story short, after a multiyear legal battle, Negativland won. By this time, most physical copies had been recalled and/or destroyed, but you can download the MP3 [negativland.com] from their website.

In 1998, the last few chapters of the legal battle played out, also to Negativland's favor, and RIAA rewrote its rewrote [negativland.com] its guidelines on sampling, fair use, and parody.

Which brings us back to our next top-40 hit - it's no surprise that U2 and RIAA are back in bed with each other, working ever diligently against any form of fair use: they still haven't found what they're looking for.

> I've got a huge DVD library, and it keeps growing. I'll happily pay premium prices for Criterion editions, I'm a hardcore movie geek who's always loved going to the cinema, sometimes even repeat fucking viewings for movies I really like.

If we could only find someone like Casey Kasem ranting like that off-mike, the war for fair use would be over, and we geeks would finally have won.

Re:Hey Paul (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22222852)

I agree. It's impossible to make these transitions. Will somebody use his fucking brain and not give me a goddamn uptempo song during a DEATH DEDICATION?

Sure, sounds like a great idea (4, Funny)

KlomDark (6370) | more than 6 years ago | (#22222374)

I'll disconnect my internet connection if in turn you stop making music with that whiny Bono guy.

For the record, U2 has always sucked. Whiner music.

Oh yeah? (2, Funny)

MillionthMonkey (240664) | more than 6 years ago | (#22222382)

I downloaded and paid for In Rainbows. I'm going to sell my U2 CDs online. Screw U2.

Re:Oh yeah? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22222588)

Screw U2.

I never said screw U

Re:Oh yeah? (1)

snl2587 (1177409) | more than 6 years ago | (#22222632)

I don't like U2 at all, but be reasonable: it's the manager who's saying all this, not the band. The band would make more money without the label (given their current fame) and probably could care less, so if you like their music don't just get rid of it.

Illegal P2P download services (3, Insightful)

noidentity (188756) | more than 6 years ago | (#22222390)

the majority of downloads were through illegal P2P download services like BitTorrent and LimeWire

Wow, there are legal P2P download "services"? Are they only in Canada?

Re:Illegal P2P download services (4, Insightful)

lattyware (934246) | more than 6 years ago | (#22222436)

Wow, there are illegal ones? Seriously, since when is BitTorrent illegal?

Wookie Defense (4, Insightful)

dmomo (256005) | more than 6 years ago | (#22222766)

"McGuinness criticized Radiohead's 'In Rainbows' pay-what-you-want business model, saying that 'the majority of downloads were through illegal P2P download services like BitTorrent and LimeWire'." In addition, I don't see how this statement makes sense.
 
    Let's for a second assume that Limewire, et al were "illegal download services", how does that reflect negatively on Radiohead's distribution strategy? Radiohead said: "Hey, download it HERE and pay what you want for it"; So some people downloaded it "THERE" and paid nothing for it. How is this any different from someone saying: "Hey, buy it in stores, and pay $15 for it" and then seeing people downloading it "THERE" and paying nothing for it?
 
If anything it shows proves that it's not just about the money. It's about how people prefer to access music. Radiohead offered it for free "this way", and people took it for free "that way". It's about a delivery mechanism that is not being provided by the industry.

Antitrust. (1)

Benanov (583592) | more than 6 years ago | (#22222398)

I love how he talked about SDMI being restricted as cartel behavior, but now he wants the ISPs to do the dirty work SDMI couldn't do.

SDMI bombed, and there are bitstrippers out there which have <buzzphrase>substantial non-infringing uses.</buzzphrase>

As if forcing another business to do the things you couldn't do due to antitrust reasons makes it any better...

Dear Bono (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22222404)

Please shut up. Just because people like your music, does not mean that they care about your politics. In fact, until you feed all the starving people and help your numerous other causes do not spend another dollar on press releases.

Thank you.

Re:Dear Bono (2, Interesting)

Sharkus (677553) | more than 6 years ago | (#22222496)

Don't forget... Don't move your offices to from Ireland to another country whose taxation rate is low/none-existent to save yourself money. Unless of course the savings made by doing this are going to all those poor, starving types you always wail on about. The day you give up all your money, property and worldly belongings and donate the proceeds to these starving masses, and then you live in a box on a street, better still, sod off over to africa to live, is the day I'll pay strict attention to the cause.

everyone at sometime in their lives (3, Insightful)

circletimessquare (444983) | more than 6 years ago | (#22222414)

has felt like they were the only one in the room who "just didn't get it"

well now is the time for you to relish, jeer, or commissurate (condescendingly)

for here we have the experience of "just not getting it" playing out on someone else's dime, on a much larger scale, to a much larger audience

Yeah..right.... (0, Troll)

ufpdom (556704) | more than 6 years ago | (#22222442)

And in a 4Q Earnings reports, ABC ISP has reported lower earnings because of this great idea to do manditory disconnects. Because of this ABC ISP has lost 200,000 subscribers. Als in a 4Q Earnigns reports, XYZ ISP has reported an increase in subscriber base. Like the ISP's are gonna let this fly. American greed, bottom line, $$. To France: Go crawl back in that hole you came from so we can rescue you in 100 years.

If I download U2's music... (1)

mjs_ud (849782) | more than 6 years ago | (#22222446)

then I think I deserve to not have the internet or any other form of communication/social interaction. Their older music is good but have they made any music worth downloading in the last 10-15 years?

Rappers? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22222452)

Are they a rap group now? Because they sure are acting like a bunch of NIGGERS!

I'm no fan of RIAA or U2 for that matter (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22222454)

but this sounds like a reasonable idea.

You break the law, your service gets terminated. Simple, to the point. I'm sure breaking the law violates your TOS with your ISP in the first place. All we need to do is make the repercussions of that TOS violation clearly defined. Download illegal music, no more Internet.

I'll probably get modded down by the "music wants to be free", let's steal everything we can groupthinkers out there, but whatever. Some of us respect intellectual property and the artists who created it.

Re:I'm no fan of RIAA or U2 for that matter (1)

Egdiroh (1086111) | more than 6 years ago | (#22222824)

You break the law, your service gets terminated. Simple, to the point. I'm sure breaking the law violates your TOS with your ISP in the first place. All we need to do is make the repercussions of that TOS violation clearly defined. Download illegal music, no more Internet.
The only problem is that music downloads AREN'T ILLEGAL. It's music uploads that are illegal.

Byte me... (5, Insightful)

realsilly (186931) | more than 6 years ago | (#22222456)

Make CD prices reasonable.
Make CD last more, invest in the technology that promotes your sound.
Make Copyright time frames reasonable.
And don't forget if we didn't listen to your crap you'd be a broke begging musician.

Shush you greedy F...s.

well yeah, obviously (1)

to_kallon (778547) | more than 6 years ago | (#22222464)

He also accused ISPs, telcos, device makers, and numerous specifically named companies such as Apple, Google, Yahoo!, Oracle, and Facebook of building 'multi billion dollar industries on the back of our content without paying for it'

it's true, we all know that the first 2340896234578913465 searches to hit google's and yahoo's engines (interestingly it was exactly the same number of searches) were for "u2"...
and who hasn't stolen one of the new apple iBono's...?
i guess i don't have anything clever to say about oracle or facebook...

Oh Yes, They Deserve Better (5, Interesting)

eldavojohn (898314) | more than 6 years ago | (#22222468)

And the message to government is this: ISP responsibility is not a luxury for possible contemplation in the future. It is a necessity for implementation TODAY - by legislation if voluntary means fail.

There's more exciting music being made and more listened to than at any time in history. Cheap technology has made it easy to start a band and make music. This is a gathering of managers; our talented clients deserve better than the shoddy, careless and downright dishonest way they have been treated in the digital age.
Yes, they deserve the shoddy, careless and downright dishonest way they have always been historically treated by their record labels and managers.

I haven't heard any artists speaking out about their royalties drying up. Maybe because they made 10 cents on the dollar before and now they make 10 cents on the quarter now since it's all digital?

Funny how he starts with "We've been used to bands who wrote their own material since the Beatles ..." and neglects to remind us that we've been used to corporate engineered bands that don't even play their own instruments since The Monkeys. Look at their songs, who wrote them? Today, there are even more bands/artists being used as icons to promote music and styles they didn't even think of.

Is he complaining that Steve Jobs pulled the $1 per song price out of his ass? No, he's pointing the finger at file sharers. This guy is losing his income and his bands are probably curious as to how they can get that $1 per song from iTunes without having to pay their manager 40 cents for ... for ... what exactly did he have to do with that transaction again?

Earth to U2's Manager: take your cut of the work you actually do like arranging concerts and press coverage and then shut the hell up and let the artists do their thing and make money.

Re:Oh Yes, They Deserve Better (5, Informative)

nagora (177841) | more than 6 years ago | (#22222628)

we've been used to corporate engineered bands that don't even play their own instruments since The Monkeys.

Just to stand up for the Monkees for a moment, they were young and jumpped at the chance to be on TV and all, but they did have enough guts and pride to eventually go on strike unless they were allowed to play their own instruments and material. And they did do some catchy pop songs. Not exactly the Beatles, but at least they wised up and grew some spines. Can't imagine this week's X-Factor/American Idol wank-stain ever doing that.

TWW

Re:Oh Yes, They Deserve Better (1)

igb (28052) | more than 6 years ago | (#22222800)

The Monkeys. Look at their songs, who wrote them?
John Stewart (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Stewart_(musician) [wikipedia.org] ), in one case (``Daydream Believer'' http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daydream_Believer [wikipedia.org] ). John Stewart was a former member of the Kingston Trio, has worked with Roseanne Cash, Nanci Griffith, Lindsey Buckingham and a pile of other people and has a solo catalogue of a depth and breadth most folk artists would kill for. Hopefully when eBay used the song in their advert Stewart got some money: he both needed and deserved it. While I was looking up the URL for his bio I see he died last week: terrible news.

ian

Re:Oh Yes, They Deserve Better (2, Interesting)

Skrynesaver (994435) | more than 6 years ago | (#22222820)

Actually Paul is a full 20% member of the band. Always has been since they set up everyone including the manager gets an even split

ISP suicide? (5, Insightful)

thesuperbigfrog (715362) | more than 6 years ago | (#22222470)

Disconnecting your customers (or suing them or otherwise alienating them) is business suicide.

SCO et al. found this out the hard way. AT&T does not seem to be picking up on this either.

Calls for reform will only be taken seriously when they are financially feasible.

Re:ISP suicide? (1)

dch24 (904899) | more than 6 years ago | (#22222858)

Will somebody mod parent up, please?

Seriously, I think as geeks we are now obligated to:
1. collaborate with the geeks that run his ISP
2. go over to Paul's house, download something pointless from bayimg
3. call up our friend at the ISP and get his account permanently terminated. Bonus points if he lives in a monopoly zone (Comcast, I'm looking at you) so he can only get dialup afterward.

I think the same strategy would be effective for dealing with Bush and co. Declare them enemy combatants and interview them regularly in Guatanamo. Before and after the waterboarding.

Re:ISP suicide? (1)

Stanislav_J (947290) | more than 6 years ago | (#22222862)

Disconnecting your customers (or suing them or otherwise alienating them) is business suicide. SCO et al. found this out the hard way. AT&T does not seem to be picking up on this either.

All it will take is a few choice lawsuits from individuals using a P2P to distribute their own work -- especially if it is tied to one's business and customers find themselves suddenly getting dumped by their ISPs -- and this idea will fade faster than you can say "punitive damages."

I love it (2, Interesting)

BigJClark (1226554) | more than 6 years ago | (#22222472)

I love it when the truly retarded stand up, and for all the world to see and hear, reveal, in fact, that they are, truly retarded. Its not like I ever buy U2 albums, but I'm going to download their entire discography, just out of spite now. Its not like shaw doesn't randomly disconnect me already, and this guy wants them to sift through my downloads and disconnect me if I download *.mp3? To quote a great man: "Never trust anyone over thirty" --bono

Re:I love it (1)

gx5000 (863863) | more than 6 years ago | (#22222816)

I was with you right up until you said Bono was great.
He's just another songbird layabout..
And just for the record, that quote is from
Jack Weinberger, the civil rights and Berkeley
free-speech activist, back in 1964

Continue downloading! (2, Funny)

Freeside1 (1140901) | more than 6 years ago | (#22222502)

Maybe then, finally, U2 will stop making music! *crosses fingers*

Wonder What He Would Say (1)

blcamp (211756) | more than 6 years ago | (#22222510)


About my old cassette tape copy of "Under A Blood Red Sky" I had made back in 1983?

Tag as waahmbulance (4, Funny)

StonedYoda47 (732257) | more than 6 years ago | (#22222514)

Seriously, someone needs to call the waahmbulance for this guy.

FDrost p1st (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22222522)

poor dead l4st [goat.cx]

Dangerous Thinking (4, Insightful)

MozeeToby (1163751) | more than 6 years ago | (#22222528)

illegal P2P download services like BitTorrent and LimeWire
This is dangerous thinking; seriously, if you want to protect your online rights you cannot allow statements like that to go unchallenged. Even given that the majority of the files being downloaded by the progroms are illegal, that does not make the services themselves illegal.

That's the brunt of the problem here anyway, these people are more than willing to disrupt every, every internet connection in the world in order to protect thier profits.

If you can't innovate, (2, Insightful)

ringm000 (878375) | more than 6 years ago | (#22222542)

Litigate! In Rainbows was just released, topping all the album charts and getting universally positive reviews. Where's the latest album by U2? Riiight.

no, no, no ,no ,noooo (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22222548)

"He also accused ISPs, telcos, device makers, and numerous specifically named companies such as Apple, Google, Yahoo!, Oracle, and Facebook of building 'multi billion dollar industries on the back of our content without paying for it', and of being 'makers of burglary kits' who have made 'a thieves' charter' to steal money from the music industry."
Hmm... you mean the same apple that designed and marketed a custom ipod under U2's name? *GASP!* Those thieves!

Say what? (3, Insightful)

djupedal (584558) | more than 6 years ago | (#22222550)

Where was Paul McGuinness when the record companies were taking over 80% of the profits during the last few decades? He didn't have a problem with that form of robbery, eh?

The guy is off his rocker, clearly.

Re:Say what? (1)

Farmer Tim (530755) | more than 6 years ago | (#22222802)

He didn't have a problem with that form of robbery, eh?

He's a manager. That makes him one of the bandits.

U2 next Metallica? (2, Interesting)

Bryansix (761547) | more than 6 years ago | (#22222556)

How much you want to bet that U2 sees the problem with this line of reasoning and it totally fucking over their fans and fires this guy? I mean does U2 really want to become the next Metallica?

Re:U2 next Metallica? (1)

hesaigo999ca (786966) | more than 6 years ago | (#22222808)

Here, here I was about to say the same thing, you took the words right out of my mouth.
I have to say that Lars looked so foolish with his 90 million in the bank and crying that it was
a bad thing to download for free metallica's music.

I am sure Bono and the boys aren't going to starve until we find an acceptable medium for purchasing music without having a monopoly that controls what it sells for. The music giants need to understand music is not going to be the next "black diamond fever" that the jews are famous for.
Who decides that this one cd is worth 14.98 and the exact same cd with the exact same amount of advertising for a band in the same label playing the same type of music should be 13.97....hummm

I am for one all for pushing evolution, and if we need to "steal" as they call it until they understand we aren't putting up with it, then so be it.

Welcome the next generation of music downloads.

Uh... (2, Funny)

Albaster (829370) | more than 6 years ago | (#22222566)

If they continue releasing such crappy records like their latest ones, it will come a day sometime soon when they won't have to worry about anyone downloading their music anymore...

Sounds like rich Republicans crying about taxes (5, Insightful)

ghuytro (917208) | more than 6 years ago | (#22222580)

Yeah Paul, just like all those ingrate thieving pirate bastards were stealing those $250+ concert tickets over the past few tours!! And on a side note - for a band who's very carefully crafted their public perception as being a band for social justice and sticking it to the man, do you really want to draw more attention to the fact that U2 are extremely rich and wealthy individuals who really are even more "the man" than some of "the man" they like to point their preachy fingers at from time to time? Do you really think whining about the fact that your giant pile of money used to be a lot bigger is going to endear U2 to it's fanbase?

Uh huh ... yep ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22222596)

sure .... oh yeah, totally .... wait, what did you say? Hello, Paul?

Odd, seems he got disconnected.

<shrug>

Disconnecting from the ISP (1)

91degrees (207121) | more than 6 years ago | (#22222600)

Plus side - as a response, this is proportionate. No multi-million dollar lawsuits for sharing a handful of songs.

Minus side - You need a right of appeal, it involves an invasion of privacy, it passes the expense onto the ISP.

Call me paranoid... (5, Insightful)

ProteusQ (665382) | more than 6 years ago | (#22222606)

...but I'm paying less than $0.27USD per song on eMusic. I could pay less per song if I chose to. Now, if that business model starts to eat into this guy's house payments, is he going to campaign for eMusic to increase it prices? Or would he just advocate for a surtax? He's skipping over this whole 'free market' thing that we're supposed to be operating under, so what would stop him from taking the next logical step?

It's about time we recognize that what it going on here is _not_ an attempt to reform capitalism. It is an attempt to replace capitalism with _mercantilism_. Remember that minor North American rebellion in 1776? It had in part to do with British plans for how the colonies would buy imported crap ad infinitum, regardless of how they felt about the matter.

My fellow conservatives, allow to me scream 'wake up!' in your general direction. When an industry owns a market, it's no longer a _free_ market! Duh!

(sigh).... Rant over. Thanks for your patience.

Shooting the Customer (1)

Chabil Ha' (875116) | more than 6 years ago | (#22222624)

Let's be honest here (snicker), *nobody* can stop the digital progression of humanity. Not even music. You can't shut off someone's electricity because they were watching a pirated Blue-Ray disc on their PS3. Internet access is becoming utility.

As much as they'd like to, they're going to have to figure something else out.

What he really said (translation)... (1)

HerculesMO (693085) | more than 6 years ago | (#22222670)

"Start pirating U2 Music because there's not a CD worth buying any more."

That's about the same translated statement Metallica made at the time.

I guess Paul (1)

gillbates (106458) | more than 6 years ago | (#22222676)

Still hasn't found what he's looking for. (Ducks) Thanks, folks, I'll be here all day...

Another example? (1)

Dred_furst (945617) | more than 6 years ago | (#22222678)

Take a look at Machinae supremacy for a moment, they've been releasing their stuff online for ages, that and their latest album overworld "mysteriously" got leaked a month before release, I'm sure as hell buying it, Another example where p2p has boosted sales is uplink and darwinia, the developers leaked a version that flagged itself up as being a pirate, and left a message on your screen saying something like "This is a pirate, we hope you enjoy it. Now go buy the full version". Get your act together and come up with a solution that doesn't involve shoddy DRM or other people to fix! the era of everyday technology is here already stop trying to flog us CD's at rip off prices.

U2 Website Terms. (4, Insightful)

onion2k (203094) | more than 6 years ago | (#22222680)

We allow Members (as defined below) to make contributions to the Site ("User Content") through chat rooms, bulletin board services, member profiles, and other means. By submitting any User Content to the Site, you hereby grant us a perpetual, worldwide, non-exclusive, royalty-free right and license to use, reproduce, display, perform, adapt, modify, distribute, have distributed and promote such content in any form, in all media now known or hereinafter created, anywhere in the world, and for any purpose. Furthermore, you thereby waive any so-called moral rights or other similar rights in your User Content.

Heaven forbid that U2 might rig their website to enable them to profit off the creative output of other people.

There goes a sale.. (1)

turtledawn (149719) | more than 6 years ago | (#22222694)

I was planning on buying a couple of U2 albums this Friday when I got paid, but you know what? Screw them.

Apple!? (1)

richardkelleher (1184251) | more than 6 years ago | (#22222696)

So, let me get this straight, Apple, who sells (that is SELLS) millions of songs providing revenue record labels steals music without paying for it. Did this guy forget to take his Meds this morning?

Didn't Bono advertise iPod? (5, Informative)

spyrochaete (707033) | more than 6 years ago | (#22222700)

Am I hallucinating or did this band wilfully advertise (and directly profit from) the device that is supposedly killing them? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YiV4jzWitnA [youtube.com]

Radiohead and not Metallica (3, Insightful)

dotancohen (1015143) | more than 6 years ago | (#22222706)

This is why I paid $10 for In Rainbows, and I don't even know the name of the latest Metallica album. I refuse to listen to music by those who shit on their fans (performers or managers) and U2 just got off my list. Thank God Trent Reznor is sane.

What an asshat (1)

Duncan Blackthorne (1095849) | more than 6 years ago | (#22222710)

Can I mod this Paul down to "-1; Blatant troll", please?

Leave Bono Alone! (1)

Essron (231281) | more than 6 years ago | (#22222712)

Listen guys, if the throngs of evil, seedy music thieves are not stopped immediately Bono might no longer be able to afford to fly to Africa periodically to personally bathe doomed, starving children, and where would the planet be then.

I mean, if the royalties slow down he might get kicked out of his ritzy Manhattan co-op and would surely be so shattered as to be unable to accurately and legitimately speak on behalf of the underprivileged. Oh....wait, excuse me.

At least now... (1)

Mark Hood (1630) | more than 6 years ago | (#22222734)

I have a good excuse to buy one of these [makebonohistory.org] . Never got round to it during Live 8, and worried I'd missed the bandwagon. Pretty sure it'll come round again now!

Mark

A Cure Worse Than The "Disease" (3, Insightful)

Jane Q. Public (1010737) | more than 6 years ago | (#22222752)

First off, a long-time principle of the FCC in this country (when did this change???) has been that content carriers (ISPs) cannot also be content providers. That helps keep monopoly and censorship wannabes out of the equation. Court decisions have repeatedly held (see stories here int the past recent days) that if carriers control the content of what they are carrying (ANY content), then they assume responsibility for that content. Which leads to this interesting scenario:

In the U.S. at any rate, if an ISP tries to filter out "copyrighted content", then they automatically become liable for any "copyrighted content" that subsequently gets through. I am quite sure that is not what they want to do. This issue was discussed here at length just the other day.

U2 burning some karma? (1)

goldspider (445116) | more than 6 years ago | (#22222754)

I think it's safe to say that U2 has a larger-than-average following amongst the kind of people against whom Mr. McGuinness has leveled this diatribe.

I hope this becomes a case study in how to destroy a loyal fan base. Since I'm not a fan of U2 or their pretentious personalities, I would not be sad to see this happen to them.

Pots & Black Kettles (3, Insightful)

psbrogna (611644) | more than 6 years ago | (#22222756)

"building 'multi billion dollar industries on the back of our content without paying for it'" This really doesn't carry much weight coming from the lips of somebody's who's basically an agent; IMO, the pinnacle of parasitic business models. Wake up: If you're business model is based on being an intermediary or owning a channel (neither of which adds any value to the product or service)- guess what? It's time to get a new business model. There's an internet now- nobody needs intermediaries or monopolistic channels.

Principle is correct (3, Interesting)

MrMickS (568778) | more than 6 years ago | (#22222758)

[dons flame proof suit]
The principle behind what he says is correct. There is an attitude that because people can do things that they should do them and that by downloading music etc illegally for free that they are sticking it to the man.

The techology companies have paid lip service to trying to solve the problem. They offer up solutions but their heart isn't really in it. The ISPs find illegal media downloads profitable especially on capped tariffs. The hardware makers are happy to have music etc on their systems as its another reason to buy/upgrade. They want it to be as easy as possible to get stuff onto them. They will do the minimum possible to ensure that the lawmakers don't feel compelled to legislate.

Blaming the problems on a poor, or outdated, business model might work to salve people's conscience but the weasel words still don't hide the fact that what is being done is illegal. From a ethical point of view they are taking the product of fellow human beings endeavours without paying for them. Somewhat of a moral dilemma.

I fully expect people to heap derision on my simplistic view of the world but in the end the above is the truth of the matter. Anything else is just an exercise in smoke and mirrors to justify theft.

As a final thought. Its now possible to buy music, on a track by track basis, for a reasonable amount of money, without DRM. Has this made a dint in illegal filesharing?
[/removes suit][on second thoughts dons suit again, this is slashdot afterall]

Who are U2? (4, Funny)

Robert Frazier (17363) | more than 6 years ago | (#22222764)

May I assume that they musicians who play some sort of popular dance music? Is there an accordion involved?

Best wishes,
Bob

If you can get through it (1)

ShawnCplus (1083617) | more than 6 years ago | (#22222786)

Near the end he proposes something that is actually somewhat logical. Tack on an additional fee to ISP bills (he doesn't name a price but the idea is not new). I'm not sure about everyone else but I wouldn't mind paying an extra $10/month if I had unlimited music downloads.

Oracle? (1)

Reality Master 201 (578873) | more than 6 years ago | (#22222790)

Is Oracle big into the illegal downloads? When did that start?

Channeling Bender. (1)

aitala (111068) | more than 6 years ago | (#22222796)

I have said it before, so I will say it again...

U2 can bite my shiny metal ass...

E

Best quote in the speech (1)

blitzkrieg3 (995849) | more than 6 years ago | (#22222814)

The US government has sometimes been overzealous in protecting the public from cartel-like behaviour.
Translation - "The US government has sometimes been good at keeping the big 4 record companies from screwing the public."

Can we get mandatory disconnects for thought crime (1)

digitaldc (879047) | more than 6 years ago | (#22222826)

How about music companies and ISPs send a little shock directly to our cerebral cortex everytime we even THINK about downloading something for free off the internets? I bet this would once and for all stop people from stealing from starving artists like U2.

I love this quote... (1)

Blood_tyger (1229190) | more than 6 years ago | (#22222836)

from TFA "We were never interested in joining that long humiliating list of miserable artists who made lousy deals, got exploited and ended up broke and with no control over how their life's work was used, and no say in how their names and likenesses were bought and sold." Is this aimed at the RIAA labels or what?

I think Floyd said it best... (1)

Maudib (223520) | more than 6 years ago | (#22222840)

"You have to be trusted by the people that you lie to
So that when they turn their backs on you
You'll get the chance to put the knife in.
You gotta keep one eye looking over your shoulder
You know it's going to get harder, and harder, and harder as you get older
And in the end you'll pack up, fly down south
Hide your head in the sand
Just another sad old man
All alone and dying of cancer.
And when you loose control, you'll reap the harvest you have sown
And as the fear grows, the bad blood slows and turns to stone
And it's too late to loose the weight you used to need to throw around
So have a good drown, as you go down, all alone"

Now fuck off.

Let me get this straight... (1)

hkgroove (791170) | more than 6 years ago | (#22222844)

U2 thinks they are still relevant?

Sniveling winers... (1)

Carson Napier (1045596) | more than 6 years ago | (#22222846)

This reminds me of that wining that the music biz "suits" got Metallica to do ealier his decade... "we work hard for our money, and you're stealing it by downloading.." bullshit!!!!
What happens when you write some little piece of nifty code and give it away? It grows and gets better and you give it away some more. Eventually everyone is using it and likes it. You offer up a really nice version of it with support for a price tag one day. Guess what, if it's good people will pay a REASONABLE amount for it.
Music is the same way. Radiohead is getting it right. I paid them $10 and downloaded their music LEGALLY!!!!!!

The brick and motar days are over!!
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