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Rumors of Google and Dell iPhone Rival

CmdrTaco posted more than 6 years ago | from the please-don't-make-me-jailbreak dept.

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An anonymous reader writes "Speculation is mounting that Google is plotting the launch of a mobile phone in partnership with computer giant Dell. Senior industry sources claim the two companies will reveal their plans at next month's 3GSM telecoms conference in Barcelona, although Google insiders deny an announcement is due in the near future."

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but does it run linux? (2)

TheRealZeus (1172755) | more than 6 years ago | (#22235866)

i have a felling m$ is being left out in the cold/ who would have guessed mac vs linux?

Re:but does it run linux? (2, Informative)

somersault (912633) | more than 6 years ago | (#22236080)

Anyone with taste? Having said that, I have a HTC WM6 smartphone and it works pretty well because it can connect directly to our exchange server, and has a great slideout keyboard - much more useful than the touchscreen only iPhone (though my HTC device has a touchscreen too of course, makes navigating menus and such far quicker, and should I ever need Remote Desktop on the go then the option is there)

Re:but does it run linux? (3, Interesting)

msuarezalvarez (667058) | more than 6 years ago | (#22236130)

Anyone with taste?

Anyone with taste will tell you that experience shows that being tasteful is almost detrimental to the success of anything...

Re:but does it run linux? (2, Insightful)

somersault (912633) | more than 6 years ago | (#22236304)

Have you heard of these iPod thingies? You know, the ones that cost more than equivalently specced devices, but just look a bit nicer? The ones that millions of people seem to think are worth it? I certainly don't think they're worth the money, but a lot of people do. Same goes for nice looking cars, etc.

Re:but does it run linux? (4, Insightful)

Albanach (527650) | more than 6 years ago | (#22236548)

I think the iPod's success is more to do with the user interface than the form factor.

It doesn't look that different to other mp3 players, but the incredibly simple and intuitive interface made it accessible to millions of folk who would not have put up with the UIs of other portable media devices.

Re:but does it run linux? (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22236966)

I doubt it.
The iPod was the very first portable music device they ever bought.
They never even looked at or considered any other model and probably can not even name another model (except maybe the Zune but they still never looked at it).
They probably never even used or tested an iPod before buying one or maybe just looked at a friends for a few minutes.

Basically, most people have nothing to compare it too and never had any intentions of comparing the iPod to something else so the user interface was not the deciding factor.

I know, you and some others will go to extremes in a reply how you checked multiple players before deciding on an iPod but for everyone like you, they are 100 others that did not do that.
That does not mean that the interface is not well liked but that was not the reason they bought it.

My family has three Sansa devices and we have no problems at all with the interface. I have no problem with the iPod interface either.

Re:but does it run linux? (1)

beckerist (985855) | more than 6 years ago | (#22238788)

iPod : MP3 Player :: Kleenex : Tissue :: Band-Aid: Bandage :: Coke : Soda

Point is, the brand is now synonymous with the product now for most Luddites. There are a lot more of them than there are you and I...

Re:but does it run linux? (3, Insightful)

lymond01 (314120) | more than 6 years ago | (#22236516)

From the grandparent comment: It's not a Mac vs Linux thing -- as the poster above states, there are very successful Windows Mobile phones that are doing a much better job at business applications than iPhone. Blackberry and Palm are sort of run-of-the-mill these days and don't offer much more than a normal Internet-ready phone. Exchange integration is the big thing -- everyone wants their calendar anywhere, even if they don't have Internet access.

One thing I'd really like on the iPhone is a grdesktop client and ssh client. Exchange integration will make the iPhone widely accepted by businesses running Exchange, but IT guys need their tools too.

Re:but does it run linux? (3, Interesting)

AmaDaden (794446) | more than 6 years ago | (#22236290)

I think most of us would have. Linux has always been gaining ground and improving. While Mac has made a massive comeback by making some real solid tech. MS on the other hand has just sat around making lock out tech and trying to convince everyone that anything MS did not start is a dangerous piece of hippy technology. Saying someone else sucks only works for so long before people start asking questions.

Re:but does it run linux? (2, Informative)

Berkyjay (1225604) | more than 6 years ago | (#22236436)

Does that mean we will stop seeing those annoying Mac commercials soon?

Re:but does it run linux? (1)

AmaDaden (794446) | more than 6 years ago | (#22236854)

Nope, Apples selling point is that they make better tech and that is what the commercials say in their own little arrogant way. My guess is with Linux gaining ground they might have to add in PC's brother Linux PC. So you can expect new quips about there being to many Linux distros and parallels being a better option then dual booting or using Wine

Re:but does it run linux? (1)

baldass_newbie (136609) | more than 6 years ago | (#22236958)

My guess is with Linux gaining ground they might have to add in PC's brother Linux PC.


I don't know if it will be PC's brother, but I know what he'll look like. You can, too.
Go find a mirror.

The Name Got leaked too (1)

goombah99 (560566) | more than 6 years ago | (#22236732)

Their going to call it the "PocketFire"

Hmm (2, Interesting)

moogied (1175879) | more than 6 years ago | (#22235870)

I don't see this happening honestly. Google tends to buy out a company instead of partnership with it. especially after the wi-max fiasco I would see them perhaps buying a smaller smartphone vendor(openmoko comes to mind) and using that.

Re:Hmm (5, Informative)

Aphrika (756248) | more than 6 years ago | (#22236012)

You might want to sit back and have a look at this [dell.com]

Yup, Dell hardware powers Google's search appliances (a PowerEdge 2950 to be exact wit ha funky yellow bezel), Google software comes on all Dells. While that's not big deal, there's even a Dell/Google Portal [google.co.uk] . Basically, they already have a partnership.

Given that the last sentence of the linked story is incorrect - Dell currently does not manufacture its own range of handhelds - there's a good chance that there may be some flames accompanying this smoke, for the simple reason that Google aren't a hardware company. They play the tech market more like MS in that they supply software and services, but partner to build devices.

That explains things (-1, Troll)

PIPBoy3000 (619296) | more than 6 years ago | (#22236246)

I was wondering why we had so many drive failures on our GSAs . . .

Re:Hmm (1)

bendodge (998616) | more than 6 years ago | (#22237192)

Don't forget that Google is bidding in the 700MHz auction. Perhaps they do want to become a carrier after all. They buy spectrum, have Dell make them special ad-supported phones...it all seems to fit together.

Re:Hmm (1)

moogied (1175879) | more than 6 years ago | (#22237912)

Of course google uses dell servers. Everyone does. They buy something from Dell that Dell already excels at. Thats good buiness sense. Jumping into a market with a partner is not google's style though

citations please .. (1)

rs232 (849320) | more than 6 years ago | (#22236486)

"Google tends to buy out a company instead of partnership with it. especially after the wi-max fiasco"

Do you have any sources for how many companies Google bought out as compared to those they signed a partnership agreement? What WiMax fiasco are you refering to?

I would never, ever, ever, ever buy a Google Phone (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22236778)

Google already has enough of my information, and they are dutifully adding it all to their NSA database.

So why oh why would I let Google have the rest of my information? Think about it: with a Google Phone, they will know where you are, where you've been, who you talk to, who you visit, where you shop, how long you stay there, where you work, where you live (which they probably already know), etc. There is now a feature in GoogleMaps which uses cell towers to find your location- you think they created that for no reason?

Yeah... the Googletards can chant the mantra of "don't be evil" all they want. That's not going to make me trust them, especially in light of how fast and loose they play with people's privacy.

Competition is GOOD (3, Insightful)

StCredZero (169093) | more than 6 years ago | (#22235878)

Competition is Good. We're just at the beginning. (And just catching up to the Japanese!)

Re:Competition is GOOD (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22235906)

Correction: We're catching up to where the Japanese were three years ago...

Re:Competition is GOOD (2, Interesting)

Yvanhoe (564877) | more than 6 years ago | (#22236316)

Three month ago, I was dining in Tokyo with some geeks. The iPhone was pretty popular, but what really got me was that he connected it to his laptop, and opened the 3G access. He told me he got 3 Mbps of symmetrical bandwidth. Unlimited access, for about 30 euros per month. We joined a video chat and put the laptop at the end of the table. It was like we were dining with people miles from there.

Re:Competition is GOOD (2, Interesting)

Albanach (527650) | more than 6 years ago | (#22236628)

The iPhone was pretty popular, but what really got me was that he connected it to his laptop, and opened the 3G access.
Am I misreading or are you saying your geek friend was getting a 3Mbps connection via a 3G iPhone?

That would certainly have amazed me too, given the iPhone doesn't have 3G capability. I guess he could have used the iPod to get a 3Mbps WiFi connection then passed that to the laptop via Bluetooth.

Re:Competition is GOOD (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22236770)

There is also that pesky fact that the iPhone has not been released in Japan yet.

Re:Competition is GOOD (2, Informative)

dfghjk (711126) | more than 6 years ago | (#22237348)

Except that bluetooth can't go 3Mbps and if WiFi were available to his "iPod" then his laptop could have used that directly.

This is all a bunch of nonsense.

Seriously, grow up. (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22236632)

You were in a fine restaurant, and you guys bring work and toys to the table? IQ != smarts, also known as "smart people sometimes are the stupidest". Your group easily met that criteria that evening.

Tools belong at work, and toys in the playpen. Knowledge of this is what separates geeks from common sensed people.

Re:Competition is GOOD (1)

nolife (233813) | more than 6 years ago | (#22237032)

I don't believe your story although I don't think you have a reason to lie but tethering a cell phone to a laptop is not something new.

Re:Competition is GOOD (4, Interesting)

prockcore (543967) | more than 6 years ago | (#22237898)

You're lying on so many levels. Let us count the ways:

1. iPhone is not available in Japan because it doesn't support wCDMA/EVDO
2. iPhone can't be tethered.
3. iPhone doesn't have 3G.
4. Japan's fastest network maxes out at 2.4Mbs (and is not symmetric: 2.4 down, 144kbps up)
5. Japan doesn't use euros.

Yes, we're WAY behind! (1)

StCredZero (169093) | more than 6 years ago | (#22238214)

Correction -- I meant "just" in the sense of only. As in we're still only catching up to the Japanese. And the Europeans. Not in the sense of "just" as in we are catching up just now. We're WAY behind!

Re:Competition is GOOD (1)

Divebus (860563) | more than 6 years ago | (#22236132)

Computer Giant Dell? Apple's market cap is almost 3X Dell's.

Anyway, Dell makes things out of hardware they find laying around in China but they don't really innovate anything. Besides, Google's CEO sits on Apple's Board. I don't see Doogell Phone happening, but ready to be surprised.

Re:Competition is GOOD (0)

CastrTroy (595695) | more than 6 years ago | (#22236396)

Didn't the Chinese release an iPhone clone weeks after the iPhone was released, with added functionality?

Re:Competition is GOOD (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22236528)

Posting anonymously because of contracts with Austin and Cupertino...

Austin doesn't innovate? I work with both Austin and Cupertino (hardware platform engineering), and I can tell you the drive for internal invention and market advantage is equally strong at both places.

In fact, when doing products for both companies, I get soft requirements from Cupertino - "here's what we have now, make it work better, we really don't measure, just go by what we feel and experience" - versus a stack of documents from Austin - "Here's what we have now, and here is your minimum pass criteria and acceptable performance metrics". In my experience Austin is much more "engineering" based than Cupertino. They'll figure out what they want to feel and experience then document it so you know what you're working towards. Cupertino expects you to figure out what they want and then get there.

So why the apparent difference between the two? The difference is that Austin has a MUCH bigger set of competitors than Cupertino; Austin competes with HP/Compaq, Lenovo, IBM, Acer, eMachines, and a host of others. They play in the market that is also completely open - open source software AND hardware (thanks to common platforms for hardware). Their market is dominated by the sub $400 desktop, and the sub $700 laptop. The consideration between private label/inhouse designed/known brand products is always huge, because it will affect market perceptions (for example, would you buy a computer from Austin if they used their own brand video card, versus the same computer price with a state of the art nVidia, even if the performance was the same?).

Cupertino's competition is essentially Sony, simply because of style. In terms of actual hardware platform competitors, there isn't one - it's a closed system (hardware and software). And Cupertino's starting price points are a LOT higher. Makes it easier to justify the 400mm perfect-bend clear plastic cases, or the machined aluminum housings.

Re:Competition is GOOD (1)

Bert64 (520050) | more than 6 years ago | (#22237332)

Wasn't there a quote by Michael Dell a few years ago saying that innovation was dead?

Re:Competition is GOOD (1)

Divebus (860563) | more than 6 years ago | (#22238134)

Points well taken, AC. The products ordered from Austin (from the same Chinese factories used by Cupertino) are still very... well, blah. Making things work better, despite the activity you're reporting, isn't one of Dell's lauded hallmarks. When was the last time anyone talked about a "Dell killer" in the industry (unless you worked for HP)? Ever? On the other hand, practically anything out of Apple, even if it's a ho-hum flop, gets lots of media attention (positive and negative) and a hundred manufacturers trying to kill it off with copy-cat products. Even if the other products are "better", they still can't get traction against what appears to be innovation out of Apple.

Apple being called a "closed system" makes some people chuckle. The hardware is the same hardware everyone else uses (now) with the ability to boot whatever you want on it. They embrace many standards that other outfit in the upper North West tries to kill off (not perfect but not horrible, either). It's true that Apple tries to intercept attempts at modifications for some products but the difficulty in that is - it's easy to do. You can pull out your favorite Unix tools and go to work on it. Even the OS itself can be installed on commodity hardware and most of what's in there is very familiar to Linux users.

Cupertino's competition is Sony? I can see that. It's also becoming competition with Linux more than Microsoft.

Re:Competition is GOOD (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22238286)

It's me, the AC again...

One of the factories I work with in China actually builds products for 3 of my clients: Austin, Cupertino, and Redmond (yes, I work for all 3 of the Axis of Evil...:). My experience has been that of the 3, Redmond has by far the strictest and most complete QC, and the hardest initial and ongoing audits of the factory. Austin and Cupertino are a distant second, and about equal.

I think the difference most people see in "it just works", "Austin products suck!", "Redmond steals everything!" comes more from the corporate direction and the markets each of those companies exist in, rather than the inherent intelligence or lack thereof of the engineers and managers within the companies. Fundamentally, they all have different market realities and different consumer segments to address, and so have different criteria than any of us might decide.

Working contract within several big companies gives you an interesting perspective into how each company views its field, its competition, and its customers. And for each of these three - Austin, Cupertino, and Redmond - I'd say they're doing spectacularly well. It's all well and good for lots of /.ers to bitch and moan about the latest perceived shortcoming of some product, but when you consider each of these companies continues to turn massive amounts of profits, day in and day out, well they are clearly doing something right...

Re:Competition is GOOD (2, Interesting)

justinlindh (1016121) | more than 6 years ago | (#22236284)

(And just catching up to the Japanese!)
I always hear this, but I've never actually heard how their cell phones and service are superior. I'm not denying that they are, but can you tell me why?

Re:Competition is GOOD (2, Informative)

peragrin (659227) | more than 6 years ago | (#22236404)

read up a few posts. The guy was eating in Tokyo and they hooked up a 3g cell phone to a laptop and had a wireless video conference call at the dinner table.

In europe desipte having massive roaming charges everyone uses GSM phones. you can take your phone anywhere, swap out your normal SIM card and put in a local prepaid one and continue on.

Cell phones in the USA is a joke compared to both of those regions.

Re:Competition is GOOD (3, Interesting)

AKAImBatman (238306) | more than 6 years ago | (#22237122)

In europe desipte having massive roaming charges everyone uses GSM phones. you can take your phone anywhere, swap out your normal SIM card and put in a local prepaid one and continue on.

Ummm... wtf? We do the exact same thing here in the US. For example, when my wife needed a replacement Razr (something blew internally), I saved the SIM card and stuck it in an old Nokia we had lying around. My wife continued to use the Nokia until her new Razr arrived. I popped the SIM card in the replacement phone, and she was up and running again.

I made sure to store her phone #s to the SIM card as well, so that she would have them on the other two handsets. I backed the other data up using a USB mini cable, which I was then able to plunk into the new Razr when she got it.

We may be lagging with Japan, but I really don't understand your comparison with Europe.

...and the Zune is an iPod killer. (1, Troll)

solios (53048) | more than 6 years ago | (#22235908)

Get real. Whatever this thing turns out to be, you can bet your monkey it won't be as pretty as the iPhone. As easy to use, maybe. But it sounds like it's aimed at a different market - a market that won't blindly pay out the ass for the kind of experience Apple offers. Which means it's not an iPhone competitor. Much the same way anything-that-plays-music is not an iPod competitor, though pundits continue to insist that IT IS OMG!!! to drive up their page views. :P

Re:...and the Zune is an iPod killer. (3, Interesting)

C0vardeAn0nim0 (232451) | more than 6 years ago | (#22236160)

"anything-that-plays-music" is a competitor to the ipod the same way beer is a competitor to wine. you can argue they're diferent classes of beverage, but it doesn't change the fact they're competitors.

just because apple's marketing is way more efficient at creating hype, doesn't change the fact that the iphone has _hundreds_ of competitors that apeal to the "i just want a phone that makes calls" crowd, and bunch of competition on the smartphone area.

one guy here at the office offered me an iphone he brought from US, but i turned it down for a motorola ming, smaller, does everything the iphone does plus more, costs less, there's a lot of homebrew and commercial apps and is not chained to itunes. so yes, the ming IS a competitor. so are the N95, treo, blackbery, etc.

same for the ipod. i only have one because i bought used for less than half the price of a new one, otherwise i would have bought something else.

believe it or not, apple doesn't have a monopoly on cool gadgets.

Re:...and the Zune is an iPod killer. (1)

clem (5683) | more than 6 years ago | (#22236636)

"anything-that-plays-music" is a competitor to the ipod the same way beer is a competitor to wine. you can argue they're diferent classes of beverage, but it doesn't change the fact they're competitors.
You mean we don't have separate livers for wine and beer? And another for Jäger? I thought it worked like the dessert stomach. That's what I remember from college, anyway.

Re:...and the Zune is an iPod killer. (2, Insightful)

Khuffie (818093) | more than 6 years ago | (#22236674)

does everything the iphone does plus more

No wifi and lack of sufficient internal storage, yet you can claim that? It's a competitor, but it doesn't do everything the iPhone does.

Re:...and the Zune is an iPod killer. (1)

Actually, I do RTFA (1058596) | more than 6 years ago | (#22236228)

Whatever this thing turns out to be, you can bet your monkey it won't be as pretty as the iPhone... Much the same way anything-that-plays-music is not an iPod competitor

I personally buy electronic gadgets first for the functionality. The form is a nice add-on but hardly the killer feature.

Re:...and the Zune is an iPod killer. (1)

nuggetman (242645) | more than 6 years ago | (#22236434)

I personally buy electronic gadgets first for the functionality. The form is a nice add-on but hardly the killer feature.

The form is essential to the functionality

Re:...and the Zune is an iPod killer. (2, Interesting)

jellomizer (103300) | more than 6 years ago | (#22236482)

I use to think like that but times has changed for me. Style is more important then features for the most part. There is the need to have Features, style then nice to have features. The more features you have the more features that you really don't use, you may think you will use them but in actually you normally use only 20% of the features that are available 80% of the time. Style is important because it grabs other attentions, not features, and that in a lot of ways is a good thing. It incrases your personal contacts and allows you to get things done easier because the more poeple you know the less road blocks you occure from people you don't. Its amaizing, A person from the finance department walked by my location and saw my new MacBook Pro, Commented on it and then had a nice conversation on what I do etc... Then when it comes to getting your contract reniewed the fact that a person knows your name and what you do makes renewing and getting appoval much quicker. Don't discount the human element to technology, a lot of people like technology and espectialy for geeks it makes an easy conversation starter. It is very helpful. Having a Cell Phone that is non shiny, and plain looking (much like the zune) just doesn't grab people attention. But a Polished iPhone with a glossy glass display with color display glowing really gets peoples attention. And it helps too.

Re:...and the Zune is an iPod killer. (1)

Actually, I do RTFA (1058596) | more than 6 years ago | (#22237056)

There is the need to have Features, style then nice to have features. The more features you have the more features that you really don't use, you may think you will use them but in actually you normally use only 20% of the features that are available 80% of the time.

You are assuming that, instead of a $600 iPhone, I am getting a different $600 phone with more features than an iPhone. My point was that I don't pay that high a premium for asthetics, so I will stick to one that is cheap and just as functional.

A person from the finance department walked by my location and saw my new MacBook Pro, Commented on it and then had a nice conversation on what I do etc... Don't discount the human element to technology, a lot of people like technology and espectialy for geeks it makes an easy conversation starter.

I have never had this happen. Mostly when I talk about technology it is with geeks. Most of them don't care what it looks like. I understand the concept of conspicuous consumption, but I keep my MP3 player in my pocket and my cellphone either in my pocket or I'm actively using it.

Re:...and the Zune is an iPod killer. (1)

jellomizer (103300) | more than 6 years ago | (#22237788)

I am not saying you are wrong... I am just saying Astetics has its value and a lot of people reconize its value. There is a Value of Astetics and could make that $600 worth it for people. I myself don't own a iPhone, for the reason that I don't need it and the fact my phone is in my Pocket Most of the time. But paying extra because of a looks cool factor isn't wasting money, It has value and sometimes that value is quite high. Why get a car with a spoiler... It looks cool, For most of your driving you are not at speeds that the spoiler will do any good, It adds an aditional few hundred bucks to the price of your car, but it just makes it look a little cooler, and increases the chances of someone going to you nice car, and it opens up comunication with other people which has a value as well. Often you get technology just purely based on features and after a month you will fell kinda let down because the features are old now and there is a new phone with better features, but if the product looks nice and you keep it that way you could get the value of open communication for over a year. I still get complements on my Over Year Old MacBook Pro, where it performance is now appoaching high midrange for a laptop, and many of the features have been copied and the new ones have much cooler features... But I still get complements on it because it looks cool. In collage I had a home made Duel CPU Pentium state of the art for the time maxed out on features... But no one really cared, then I got a PowerBook and then people were talking to me much more, at least starting the conversation based on the computer I was useing.

Re:...and the Zune is an iPod killer. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22237616)

I feel bad for you if your main method of getting noticed is the off chance that someone notices something on your desk as they walk by. Using your own criteria, anyone that carriers an iPhone has an equal chance of getting this special treatment you think you are getting. Do you have pictures of your car in your cube as well? Maybe you can connect with a few people in that area as well. I don't know if I'd like to be in the place you are that considers cell phone as a criteria to wether I am worthy of remebering. Does your actual personality or work quality play any role?
Let us know how that works out in the long run.

   

Re:...and the Zune is an iPod killer. (1)

Draek (916851) | more than 6 years ago | (#22238644)

So, basically, you bought an iPhone to be popular? wow. Just, wow.

As for the "20% of features 80% of the time" argument, I'll only give you the standard reply for it on arguments about Windows/Office replacements: it may be 20%, but *which* 20% varies from person to person, and when you ocassionally need one of the remaining 80% of features, you're fucked, so it's hardly a replacement for the more full-featured smartphones out there. And if you're like me and only need to make calls and receive calls, you're much better off with a $30 prepaid phone, rather than a locked-down, $400 shiny gadget.

We're a rare breed (2, Interesting)

sarysa (1089739) | more than 6 years ago | (#22237502)

I won't say "dying breed" because there will always be people inclined to take function over fashion, but anyone in marketing will tell you that style, more than function, brings in the green. Function appeals to a niche market.

Incidentally, I purchased a Zune last month. Still a little sore over Apple's treatment of third party developers re: iPhone... (which is an even rarer take than function > style)

Re:...and the Zune is an iPod killer. (1)

dfghjk (711126) | more than 6 years ago | (#22237450)

The experience the iPhone offers isn't that great. The standard is low.

Smartphones, of which the iPhone barely qualifies, all suck and the iPhone is best of breed only because it sucks marginally less than everything else. It is not especially stable, not easier to use, and not particularly high in functionality. It's easy to imagine a device thoroughly better than the iPhone, though apparently harder to deliver than it seems like it should be. It's time for a clever company, which Google may very well be, to finally offer a smartphone worth having.

Brilliant news! (1)

Funkcikle (630170) | more than 6 years ago | (#22235952)

Finally. Now everyone who has a Dell iPod player can get a matching Dell iPhone! It'll be just like the "other iPhone" but with all the benefits of being a Dell product!

Where do I buy Google and Dell stock? I'm gonna be RICH!

Competition at last? (3, Insightful)

pwnies (1034518) | more than 6 years ago | (#22235962)

Despite this most likely happening right after duke nukem forever comes out, if it does happen, it'll be a great thing to have. Right now Apple needs a rival. If they sit at the top alone with the iPhone, it won't have any incentive to get better. Google is just the company to give them this competition, and Dell's equally enormous resources will surely fuel the hardware side of the development.

Re:Competition at last? (1)

ZombieRoboNinja (905329) | more than 6 years ago | (#22237166)

>>Right now Apple needs a rival.

But surely nobody can hope to rival Apple's mighty 0.1% market share!

Dell will lose even more money (3, Insightful)

mveloso (325617) | more than 6 years ago | (#22235976)

Remember the Dell DJ?

Dell is good at selling commodity products to businesses and value consumers. When they try and move up the food chain, they don't do so well, the Alienware acquisition notwithstanding.

Re:Dell will lose even more money (1)

steveo777 (183629) | more than 6 years ago | (#22236306)

Your lack of replies only serves to reinforce your argument. I remember scoffing at the DJ's and the DJ ditty.

Re:Dell will lose even more money (1)

Choad Namath (907723) | more than 6 years ago | (#22236846)

The Dell DJ failed because it sucked, but other Dell products (like their PDAs) probably failed because they were Dells. You might be on to something with the Alienware mention. If they were to enter the smartphone market, maybe using the Alienware brand name would be a smart move. It gives them some cover for higher prices, and also avoids people dismissing it as just another cheap Dell product.

Re:Dell will lose even more money (2, Interesting)

superflippy (442879) | more than 6 years ago | (#22237210)

Dell is good at selling commodity products to businesses and value consumers.

Not even that. In my university research group we stopped buying Dells because the brand-new machines consistently arrived with so many defects (e.g. drives installed improperly) and were just difficult to work with. For example, we bought two high-end workstations that within weeks of each other. After a while we decided to move the extra memory from one to the other and discovered we couldn't because even though they were exactly the same model built and nearly the same time they used different internal components. I guess Dell found a cheaper supplier for some part and changed the innards but not the model number, or else they were assembled at 2 different factories and Dell doesn't care that there's no consistency among their manufacturers.

I wouldn't buy a Dell handheld for any reason.

Because the DJ was such a success... (4, Insightful)

Overzeetop (214511) | more than 6 years ago | (#22235980)

...and the Axim is the top currently selling pda from Dell.

Half baked and abandoned hardware - yeah, that's what I really want in a device.

Sorry, but there has got to be a better hardware vendor to choose than Dell for such a venture. Dell consumer is about high turnover and commodity parts that can be changed with the wind when prices fluctuate - not what I want in a phone builder. Doesn't Nokia or Moto want a piece of this kind of action?

Re:Because the DJ was such a success... (1)

Aphrika (756248) | more than 6 years ago | (#22236214)

Ok, granted the Dell DJ (and Ditty thingy) were just "me too" devices - off the shelf devices with a Dell logo stuck on them. Not the way to go.

However, I have to take contention with the Axim - it was a damn good PDA and most certainly not half-baked. It always came high up in Microsoft Mobile device reviews and was early to have a VGA screen, Wifi, BlueTooth and GPS. While the range was canned, I'm not so sure it was just Dell doing this at the time - the market for PDAs shrunk massively since smartphones appeared on the scene.

Nokia and Moto have their fingers in their own pies regarding phone OSes. Dell - much like Apple - need a way to get into the market. And with them supplying hardware (which has notably improved in the last 18 months) and Google supplying the software, you can see how this could potentially pan out - if it's true that is...

Re:Because the DJ was such a success... (1)

Bandman (86149) | more than 6 years ago | (#22236416)

There IS a better hardware vendor, but in this battle, Apple is already taken

better hardware vender ... (1)

rs232 (849320) | more than 6 years ago | (#22236586)

"there has got to be a better hardware vendor to choose than Dell .. - not what I want in a phone builder"

Does Dell get its chips and hardware assembled in different Chinese factories than Nokia or Moto, if not then your whole point is void. A big plus for such a deal would be Dells consumer and distribution channels .. :)

Re:Because the DJ was such a success... (1)

Choad Namath (907723) | more than 6 years ago | (#22236696)

Okay, the DJ was crap, but the Axims were pretty good actually. The hardware wasn't half-baked, although it was abandoned. My only complaint with the Axim was extremely cheap hardware buttons. But the feature list was pretty impressive: fast processors with hardware graphics acceleration, VGA screens, two memory card slots, and Bluetooth and Wifi. If Dell came up with a decent-looking smartphone in a smallish package, I'd definitely take a look at it.

Re:Because the DJ was such a success... (1)

DerekLyons (302214) | more than 6 years ago | (#22238480)

Half baked and abandoned hardware - yeah, that's what I really want in a device.

Things aren't much better over on the software [Google] side - where apps lanquish in 'beta' for years, user interfaces tend to be idiosyncratic, and updates tends to be sizzle rather than steak.

They can call it.. (3, Funny)

UWM (1162951) | more than 6 years ago | (#22236032)

The Googell

Re:They can call it.. (1)

sskagent (1170913) | more than 6 years ago | (#22236224)

or the Doogle, or the Google/Dell-2.0-better-then-the-iPhone-because-Google-is-prettier....phone

Re:They can call it.. (1)

Farhood (975274) | more than 6 years ago | (#22237654)

I dunno man....something about picking up that new Doogle just sounds horribly wrong to me...or the Gell.

Names (1)

Archangel Michael (180766) | more than 6 years ago | (#22236048)

The obvious choice would be gPhone or maybe even dPhone, but I have an even better suggestion ...

the GD-ItPhone, which might be the expletive used by the early buyers ....

On a more serious note, they'd better out do iPhone 2.0 and come in under the current iPhone pricing.

Just my 2 copper coins of the realm.

I'd prefer a device that runs Linux (1)

KublaiKhan (522918) | more than 6 years ago | (#22236062)

And uses the open standard that google's been pushing. Ideally, it'd be capable of swapping between relatively inexpensive cellular (maybe in that 900mhz range?) and wifi.

While I'm dreaming, I'd like it to support email and web, and include Eclipse or some other similar IDE, movies, music, and the ability to act as a guitar tuner.

And a camera, a radio, a GPS, an emergency aircraft beacon, an accellerometer in three dimensions for Wiimote emulation, and I'd like it to fit in the palm of my hand and hook to a glasses mounted display.

Thing's that you're l'ble to read in the bible... (5, Interesting)

Simon Brooke (45012) | more than 6 years ago | (#22236088)

Ain't necessarily so.

Specifically, Google has put a lot of weight behind Android [google.com] . If Google sells an 'own brand' phone - even if it's a Google/Dell own brand phone - then that kills all other Android phones stone dead, because none of the other serious mobile phone vendors will want to be using a competitor's OS. So Google, who aren't stupid, are not going to do this.

This rumour is one of two things:

  • Dell are bringing out an Android phone.
  • Someone is maliciously starting a rumour in an attempt to damage Android
  • And an almost fanatical devotion to the Pope.

Re:Thing's that you're l'ble to read in the bible. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22236594)

Agreed: Google is a software company that brings in it's money from Adsense, what makes the most sense for google is installing adsense applications on phones to provide their superduper targeted advertising. Android will do that.

Android can be multi-vendor (3, Insightful)

EmbeddedJanitor (597831) | more than 6 years ago | (#22237046)

Look at how MS gets sack time with multiple big name vendors using Windows CE. There are many companies out there with Windows CE devices, so why not multiple Android-based systems too?

Most of the Windows phones look so similar that they are primarily Windows phones with MS-brand images being larger than the manufacturers logos etc(Ooh look! A Windows phone, I wonder who makes it). The MS/Windows brand is the strongest brand on these devices.

The first one or two Android phones will get a lot of reflected Googleshine, just like the launch of the first few MS phones.

Re:Thing's that you're l'ble to read in the bible. (2, Insightful)

cornellfOo (964313) | more than 6 years ago | (#22238128)

I agree w/ above. Google bringing out a Goo-phone wouldn't make any sense, business-wise. Creating one would directly conflict with the goals of it's Android platform. Google stands to gain much more by staying on their hardware-independent path and profiting from the software.

Come to think of it, Dell manufacturing/re-branding a low-end smartphone would seem to fit with their existing strategy. Much like their PC segment, they could sell the device cheaply and make money selling high margin accessories.

devices that aren't limited, good voice & bw (1)

us7892 (655683) | more than 6 years ago | (#22236124)

Maybe in a couple years I can choose from several great phones, that aren't limited by the carriers, that I can use any way I wish, with any applications, with great voice quality and great bandwidth, for only $15 per month...Is that even possible? I hope so. Probably just wishful thinking.

dell isn't a technology company (3, Insightful)

feldsteins (313201) | more than 6 years ago | (#22236154)

I think Google should partner with a technology company to provide the hardware instead of Dell. Dell has no R&D to speak of. They take off-the-shelf parts, brand them and sell a warranty. This partnership is on a fast train to also-ran city.

Re:dell isn't a technology company (2, Interesting)

William-Ely (875237) | more than 6 years ago | (#22236536)

I used to refer to Dell as the Intel factory outlet. Basically a company dedicated to showing off what Intel parts can do in concert with each other. A lot of my customers are surprised when I tell them that most computer manufacturers like Dell and HP use similar components to what you can buy yourself and wrap it up in a case with their logo on it that was also made by another company. Google is much better off talking to the ODM's directly instead of using Dell as a middle man. In fact I think it would be more of a turn-off to some buyers to attach the Dell name to a product since more people have associated Dell with a negative experience than they have with Google. I've never heard of anybody getting angry over Google's search results but I have seen first hand what a Dell Dimension looks like after having 10 rounds of .45's put through it.

Re:dell isn't a technology company (1)

tripmine (1160123) | more than 6 years ago | (#22237160)

They are [openhandsetalliance.com]

Re:dell isn't a technology company (1)

dfghjk (711126) | more than 6 years ago | (#22237272)

Google IS the technology company---they need a partner that is good at distribution. The problem with Dell isn't that they are a bad match, it's that they are ruthless and tend to put their partners under.

Re:dell isn't a technology company (1)

feldsteins (313201) | more than 6 years ago | (#22237430)

Google is a technology company in the area of software. They need a technology company to design the hardware. Dell isn't such a company.

Re:dell isn't a technology company (1)

MikeTheMan (944825) | more than 6 years ago | (#22238234)

Not entirely true, since Dell bought EqualLogic [slashdot.org] a little while back.

But... but... (2, Funny)

tholomyes (610627) | more than 6 years ago | (#22236158)

{sarcasm}
But Apple only makes niche market products! The real threat is clearly Windows Mobile...
{/sarcasm}

al-though? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22236278)

"Al-though"? What the fuck is that? Who taught you how to spell, Al-Qaeda?

Do no evil (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22236296)

Instead, have other companies do it for us!

Re:Do no evil (3, Funny)

JeromeTheMetronome (1157701) | more than 6 years ago | (#22236344)

In other news Google becomes the first company to outsource "evil", a commodity assumed only available in the US and parts of China.

Alliance of Common Tactics (1)

N8F8 (4562) | more than 6 years ago | (#22236308)

Dell is about commodity hardware.

Google wants to commodotize phone hardware. Let's face it, phone companies suck at software.

whatcouldpossiblygowrong? not much. (5, Insightful)

algae (2196) | more than 6 years ago | (#22236322)

Seriously people, this tag is getting massively overused. Dell making a cell phone is not the same thing as, say, implanting neural tissue from a pig into paralyzed children or building robots with machine guns. The worst thing that could go wrong here is that Dell might make a shitty phone and lose money. BFD.

Anyone else who's sick of whatcouldpossiblygowrong abuse, please go ahead and put in a !whatcouldpossiblygowrong into the tags box.

Re:whatcouldpossiblygowrong? not much. (1)

sundar_m77 (1097877) | more than 6 years ago | (#22237662)

>> please go ahead and put in a !whatcouldpossiblygowrong into the tags box
I'm just thinking whatcouldpossiblygowrong if we put the tag !whatcouldpossiblygowrong

Great! (2, Insightful)

Bootarn (970788) | more than 6 years ago | (#22236332)

Google's Android is a great framework, but it has yet to gain substance by being embedded in real hardware. If Google and Dell put their heads together, we might have a complete product. It will probably never outgrow the iPhone in popularity, but I think it will become a success.
Also, because Android is an open framework, we should expect a great number of third-party applications, something that the iPhone currently lacks.

whatcouldpossiblygowrong (3, Interesting)

Itchyeyes (908311) | more than 6 years ago | (#22236342)

Kind of OT, but could we please stop tagging articles with "whatcouldpossiblygowrong"? Aside from the fact that is stopped being funny after the 2nd or 3rd time, it kind of negates the purpose of having a tag if every single article gets the same tag.

Re:whatcouldpossiblygowrong (1)

Elyscape (882517) | more than 6 years ago | (#22236750)

Itchyeyes writes

Kind of OT, but could we please stop tagging articles with "whatcouldpossiblygowrong"? Aside from the fact that is stopped being funny after the 2nd or 3rd time, it kind of negates the purpose of having a tag if every single article gets the same tag.
> whatcouldpossiblygowrong (tagging beta)

This is a suicidal move for Dell (0, Troll)

melted (227442) | more than 6 years ago | (#22236450)

There's no way to make this phone dirt cheap, and there's no way Dell puts out anything cool. Combine this with "barely working" state of a typical Google client software beta, and you have a turd of gargantuan proportions.

If I owned any stock in Dell, I'd put in a sell order on this rumor.

In other news... (1)

Curmudgeonlyoldbloke (850482) | more than 6 years ago | (#22236620)

"Marketing Week" decides to drive more people to it's site by including the word "iPhone" in an article title. However, they're still so far off their tits to bother to use a spellchecker, so "al-though" makes it into the published copy. Cmdrtaco hasn't woken up properly yet, so it gets copied to Slashdot too...

Seriously, "Senior industry sources" could mean anything. It probably means "some people we went down the pub with that actually work for a from a company that you've heard of".

(and no, in case you're wondering, I never get invited to 3GSM)

Makes sense (1)

Teflon_Jeff (1221290) | more than 6 years ago | (#22236704)

We've seen Google getting all sorts of cell-phone related patents recently, and their extreme interest in the airwave auctions as well.

Im afraid of Google-phone (3, Funny)

peter303 (12292) | more than 6 years ago | (#22236712)

If I search the contact-list, I might get 100,000 matches.

sorry, can't do (2, Insightful)

Tom (822) | more than 6 years ago | (#22237126)

When I look around on the market, there simply aren't many companies that could rival Apple when it comes to designing with the user in mind, i.e. useful, easy to use, sleak and nice, with just about the right feature set (80%, you never please everyone entirely).

Nokia, Siemens, Motorolla - they all suck in the useability department. Most of them suck hard and long.
Dell, HP, Palm - useability ok, but the feature set is never quite right
Google - interface ok, useaful, but thrives too much on hiding things (how many of your non-geek friends now even a fraction of the cool things you can do in the Google search input field?)

The only company that comes to mind as comparing to Apple in the design department is Nintendo - and I'd be more than surprised if they came out with a mobile phone ("DS+Talk" ? :-) )

Good news all round. (1)

EddyPearson (901263) | more than 6 years ago | (#22237678)

Dell has show efforts to be more and more open with their systems (Bundling Ubuntu), and though the cost is nearly the same, there's a good chance of the Windows tax being dropped/mitigated in Europe. Their prices have always been very reasonable, and their ability to custom build the box online is legendary, not to mention rebust build quality. While many people don't like them as much as myself, I don't think they could be considered even remotely evil.

Despite Google's obvious affection for your personal data, who can deny that they provide innovative, open services. The Android SDK is a great looking bit of kit, which shows a lot of promise, and of course gives developers the power they want on a device.

And then we have the Steve Jobbs, a man who hates his customers, who deliberately shafted early adopters by almost cutting the iPhone price in half two months after the release. The iPhone is STILL a mindblowingly expensive device, and doesn't even support 3G, locked to the most anti-competitive and greedy network there is, it's been carried by hype advertising from day one. From a development point of view its locked down tighter than Sing Sing, and I've not doubt the SDK will be a gimmick with little power given to developers. It's a mystery to me why people bother spending time and energy to jailbreak the device when Apple are constantly releasing new firmware to turn them into expensive doorstops.

Google, Dell, your timing is right, make its pretty, functional, affordable and most of all open and we shall flock to buy them.

Get it done fast though, Nokia have got some seriously cool new gear in the pipeline ;)

Google and Dell? (2, Interesting)

qazwart (261667) | more than 6 years ago | (#22238088)

Nope, doesn't sound right. Google is not coming out with a gPhone jointly developed with Dell. Otherwise, they'd be competing against their own customers.

What might be happening is that Dell is designing a phone based upon Android (like many other hardware vendors will be doing). Google may be giving them some technical assistance since --if the reports are true-- Dell would be one of the first vendors actually building a phone based upon Android.

It's like saying my company and Microsoft are jointly developing a new project because I'm using VisualStudio, and I have a support contract with Microsoft.

Now, whether the new Dell phone will fly is another question since all hardware manufacturers still need to have tie-ins with some cellphone service provider. If Dell is creating such a phone, we can count Verizon out as a possible cellphone service provider since they refuse to have anything to do with Android.

Wonder how the 700Mhz auctions are going...
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