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RIAA Wants $1.5 Million Per CD Copied

Zonk posted more than 5 years ago | from the even-the-beatles-aren't-that-great dept.

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I Don't Believe in Imaginary Property writes "Not content with current statutory damages, the RIAA is pushing for higher damages for infringement, damages that would total $1.5 million for copying a CD with ten songs. It's all part of debate over the proposed PRO-IP Act. William Patry, a lawyer who wrote the seminal seven-volume reference on US copyright law, called it the most 'outrageously gluttonous IP bill ever introduced in the US.'"

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$1.5 million? (5, Funny)

KublaiKhan (522918) | more than 5 years ago | (#22239446)

I knew that 'going gold' meant a lot to an artist, and I knew the price of gold was high, but $1.5 million sounds just a little high...

Or is this just for the ones that go platinum?

Re:$1.5 million? (3, Insightful)

MozeeToby (1163751) | more than 5 years ago | (#22239692)

This is a classic case of asking for more than you can get to give yourself bargaining power. They'll ask for 1.5 million then say "oh well, we'll just compromise at 750k and call it good"

Re:$1.5 million? (1)

KublaiKhan (522918) | more than 5 years ago | (#22239776)

Oh, -only- that much. Right. Perfectly reasonable.

Re:$1.5 million? (4, Interesting)

PopeRatzo (965947) | more than 5 years ago | (#22239978)

I just copied Icky Thump by the White Stripes and Parsifal by Richard Wagner, conducted by James Levine. The Wagner is 4 CDs, so does that mean I owe them a total $7.5mil?

Let me get my checkbook.

Strange, because the last time I was in a record store (a few years ago, honestly) the price tag was only about 14 bucks.

What a bunch of wankers the RIAA is. Talk about having an inflated sense of worth.

 

Does the RIAA have a licensed proctologist? (5, Funny)

Steeltalon (734391) | more than 5 years ago | (#22239448)

I ask because I want them to be safe. It has to be painful pulling garbage like this out of their asses.

Re:Does the RIAA have a licensed proctologist? (5, Funny)

spun (1352) | more than 5 years ago | (#22239474)

It has to be painful pulling garbage like this out of their asses.
Not when you're THAT big of an asshole. The RIAA could pull a dump truck out of their asses and not feel a thing.

Re:Does the RIAA have a licensed proctologist? (5, Funny)

VultureMN (116540) | more than 5 years ago | (#22239576)

You are, indeed, correct.

I think this is the first, and probably last, time on /. where a link to the goatse guy would be ONtopic.

RIAA SUX0RZ (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#22240146)

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Re:Does the RIAA have a licensed proctologist? (1)

Steeltalon (734391) | more than 5 years ago | (#22239632)

Good point. I suppose that with these facts in mind, they have to be mindful not to eat any chips with Olestra or take that "Alli" diet drug... more of these great ideas might come out as "leakage" and at the most embarrassing times.

Re:Does the RIAA have a licensed proctologist? (5, Funny)

Malevolent Tester (1201209) | more than 5 years ago | (#22239880)

The digestive system isn't a dump truck - it's a series of tubes.

Re:Does the RIAA have a licensed proctologist? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#22240054)

Is the RIAA's rectum a series of tubes?

heh (4, Funny)

Captain Splendid (673276) | more than 5 years ago | (#22239456)

RIAA Wants $1.5 Million Per CD Copied

And I want a pony. Somehow, I think we're both going to be disappointed.

Re:heh (2, Insightful)

mcmonkey (96054) | more than 5 years ago | (#22239706)

RIAA Wants $1.5 Million Per CD Copied
And I want a pony. Somehow, I think we're both going to be disappointed.

Somehow, I think the RIAA have better lobbyists than you have.

And I think the point is not to actually get $1.5mil per CD, but to have that statute on the books as leverage to get more settlements.

Re:heh (5, Informative)

TubeSteak (669689) | more than 5 years ago | (#22239918)

Somehow, I think the RIAA have better lobbyists than you have.

And I think the point is not to actually get $1.5mil per CD, but to have that statute on the books as leverage to get more settlements.
Whenever you see legislation like the PRO-IP Act, you have to ask yourself two questions:
1. Who is sponsoring the legislation?
Sponsor:
John Conyers [D-MI]

Co-sponsors:
Rep Berman, Howard L. [D-CA]
Rep Cohen, Steve [D-TN]
Rep Jackson-Lee, Sheila [D-TX]
Rep Schiff, Adam B. [D-CA]
Rep Wexler, Robert [D-FL]

Rep Chabot, Steve [R-OH]
Rep Feeney, Tom [R-FL]
Rep Goodlatte, Bob [R-VA]
Rep Issa, Darrell E. [R-CA]
Rep Keller, Ric [R-FL]
Rep Smith, Lamar [R-TX]

2. Where did the model legislation for this Act come from?

Re:heh (4, Informative)

eiapoce (1049910) | more than 5 years ago | (#22240148)

Excellent piece. BTW: Republicans = Democrats = Sold out. And I mean it, here is proof: http://www.politicalmoneyline.com/ [politicalmoneyline.com] - http://opensecrets.org/ [opensecrets.org]

I'd suggest american friends to change from a Duocracy system to a real democracy. As much is proven that a duopoly is not effective in favouring the consumer, why whould a duocracy do any better in the political field?

Re:heh (4, Insightful)

Hatta (162192) | more than 5 years ago | (#22239756)

Give as much money to politicians as the RIAA has and you'll both get your wish.

Re:heh (4, Funny)

KublaiKhan (522918) | more than 5 years ago | (#22239898)

Cheaper just to buy the pony.

Re:heh (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#22239994)

And I want a pony. Somehow, I think we're both going to be disappointed.
Come back here in about three months.

Wrong decimal place? (5, Funny)

IronMagnus (777535) | more than 5 years ago | (#22239476)

Maybe they ment $15

Re:Wrong decimal place? (5, Insightful)

SailorSpork (1080153) | more than 5 years ago | (#22239636)

Actually, that's about what each infringement is worth. If you use filesharing, and if for each song you download, you upload a song, your infringement for downloading/uploading and album on that fileshare would be about the cost of that same album; about $15. I still don't understand how any competent mind can come up with any more than that per infraction.

Since filesharing is on average 1:1, It's not that each person uploading ten songs is causing thousands of dollars worth of damages, its that thousands of different people are causing ten's of dollars of damage each. But if that were how it was stated in court, legal fees would outweigh damages, and lawsuits would no longer become lucrative sources of income.

Re:Wrong decimal place? (1)

Bearhouse (1034238) | more than 5 years ago | (#22239996)

Not sure that's true. Look at the ratios. Ever since Napster and WinMX, there's always been a few with high bandwidth/willingness to share/got stuff you want feeding the others.

or, electricity bill? (1)

G3ckoG33k (647276) | more than 5 years ago | (#22239882)

or?

Walmart (5, Funny)

im_thatoneguy (819432) | more than 5 years ago | (#22239482)

Fuck it. If they say I'm stealing it I'm just going to start "ripping" music from Walmart. The fines are cheaper and less signficant on a criminal record.

Re:Walmart (3, Insightful)

StringBlade (557322) | more than 5 years ago | (#22239860)

If you're going to steal CDs, why not start with a store that doesn't put RFIDs on all of it's merchandise?

Re:Walmart (1)

AP2k (991160) | more than 5 years ago | (#22240060)

As a slashdotter, I would have expected you to applaud him for sticking it to WalMart for their use of RFID tags.

Re:Walmart (2, Insightful)

riseoftheindividual (1214958) | more than 5 years ago | (#22239920)

I hope it passes for that and for the tact I expect most to take... you don't need their shit, you don't need it. Why does anyone need a CD or to listen to the music produced by the people funding this? We don't.

It's not like software that we might need for work to get paid. It's not like clothing where you tend to get in trouble if you go around without it(damn conservative society). It's not like food where you starve to death without it. This is entertainment. It's just not neccessary. If they get this passed, I predict a major collapse of the recording industry as it is today. Big names will begin striking out on their own to distance themselves from the companies associated with these moves.

Sorry Metallica, U2, and whoever else, life was good before you and life will be good after you. May this legislation pass so they can have the rude awakening they so desperately deserve.

Re:Walmart (2, Insightful)

LandDolphin (1202876) | more than 5 years ago | (#22240044)

I don't think there will be major changes. I agree with you that people should revolt against the RIAA and stop purchasing their products. But people wont. People do not want have anything get in the way of their instant gratification.

Re:Walmart (1)

Kuukai (865890) | more than 5 years ago | (#22239982)

Actually, IANAL, but in their "ideal" world I'm pretty sure the RIAA would sue you for stealing the IP on top of the physical disc, or something...

So (1)

vinividivici (919782) | more than 5 years ago | (#22239488)

Like the majority of the internet, my music collection would cost me 2,250,000,000. Greedy bastards.

Re:So (2, Interesting)

Em Adespoton (792954) | more than 5 years ago | (#22239892)

Good point... I'm thinking I should return my CD collection to the RIAA for a refund.

Either that, or see if I can catch them in possession of some of MY music (independently produced) and ask them to pay up.

If I play some of my music in the background while I call their customer relations line and they record and archive the call, can I sue them?

Re:So (1)

nickj6282 (896871) | more than 5 years ago | (#22240214)

Your mistake is assuming that the RIAA has any clue what customer relations is.

"What the hell is a customer? Wait? Is that the senile grandmas and disabled single mothers we take to court? Yeah, they are good customers. We get tons of money from those suckers!"

Whither Video? (1)

camperdave (969942) | more than 5 years ago | (#22240092)

I personally don't have a large quantity of downloaded music. Most of my downloading is in the form of TV episodes, and movies. What are the video equivalent versions of the RIAA doing to keep up?

Innovation through Litgation!(tm) (5, Insightful)

frankie (91710) | more than 5 years ago | (#22239490)

Sweet! At that damage level, the RIAA could afford to ditch all pretense of supporting music, and make a killing by sending lawyers down the street in major metro areas to slap subpoenas on every passerby with an MP3 player.

Re:Innovation through Litgation!(tm) (1)

jd (1658) | more than 5 years ago | (#22239866)

Funny you should talk about killing. There was a news story recently about a driver who hit and killed a pedestrian, then sued the family for damages to his car. I think we should check to see if he's on the RIAA's advisory panel.

Re:Innovation through Litgation!(tm) (3, Insightful)

Achromatic1978 (916097) | more than 5 years ago | (#22239966)

He didn't sue the family, he sued the /estate/ of the pedestrian. Reasonable enough, if, as you have no idea of knowing, the pedestrian was at fault. Did they step out into a busy street? If it's the pedestrian's fault, are you saying that the driver should suck up the guilt for the rest of his life, /and/ shell out for the damage done?

Should he claim insurance?

Who do you think the insurance company would sue to reimburse their costs? The estate of the pedestrian.

Granted it's an unsavory thought, but if that car was your livelihood, and the accident was not your fault, why in the hell should you not try to recover costs?

It's grim and should be approached with tact, but...

Re:Innovation through Litgation!(tm) (1)

The_DoubleU (603071) | more than 5 years ago | (#22240188)

They where both wrong.
The car was speeding, the pedestrian didn't give way (or something like that).

Re:Innovation through Litgation!(tm) (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#22240110)

Pedestrians are often extremely stupid, sometimes malicious, and on rare occasions actively suicidal.

In California pedestrians have the right of way, which they either think means they are invincible or that cars can stop instantaneously. The pedestrians are required to show they are planning on crossing the street. About half of them don't even bother to make eye contact. Some stand in the street while waiting for the light to change.

A man once came running out of his yard and jumped in front of me screaming that I was driving too fast a la The World According to Garp. (For the record, I was traveling a couple of miles per hour under the speed limit as I always do in residential areas.) I would not blame any driver who had hit him. He was practically trying to be hit.

Without knowing the details of the particular story you mentioned it is impossible for us to reach any conclusion at all about the behavior of the driver.

Re:Innovation through Litgation!(tm) (1)

Hillgiant (916436) | more than 5 years ago | (#22240158)

Yeah. It worked really well for SCO.

Obligatory Dr Evil (1)

AngelKurisu (1173447) | more than 5 years ago | (#22239492)

One point Five meeeeeeeeeeeeeelion dollars! *pinky*

Re:Obligatory Dr Evil (2)

EEPROMS (889169) | more than 5 years ago | (#22239594)

Number Two: Don't you think we should ask for *more* than a 1.5 million dollars? 1.5 million dollars isn't exactly a lot of money these days. Sony Records alone makes over 9 billion dollars a year! Dr. Evil: Really? That's a lot of money. [pause] Dr. Evil: Okay then, we hold the world's culture to ransom for... Dr. Evil: One... Hundred... BILLION DOLLARS!

The question that comes to mind... (1)

FredFredrickson (1177871) | more than 5 years ago | (#22239494)

Why is it that they want more money in damages from a copy to a format that doesn't inheretly lend itself to being copied an unknown number of times- whereas there's actually a question of how many times copyright infringement happens to a file in a share folder- but they get much less for a shared folder collection...?

Re:The question that comes to mind... (1)

Markspark (969445) | more than 5 years ago | (#22239584)

and by the same standars, shouldn't all of their music count as assets, and be taxed as such? (ie, let them pay 1 million dollar tax / album they've made a copy of, and infinite for each mp3) should make them lower their claims a bit.

austin powers (1)

TheRealZeus (1172755) | more than 5 years ago | (#22239496)

this reminds me of that scene in austin powers where the evil dude is trying to pick an amount of ransom money

What have these guys been smoking ? (1)

Alain Williams (2972) | more than 5 years ago | (#22239506)

And can I have some ?

Re:What have these guys been smoking ? (1)

jamstar7 (694492) | more than 5 years ago | (#22240074)

Dude, that's RIAA we're talkin bout here. They're against sharing.

Bet we can sue 'em a couple mil for bong rental tho...

Wow (1)

psbrogna (611644) | more than 5 years ago | (#22239508)

1.5 Million?! This seems like a really pathetic cry for help. They must really be scared about the revenue they're losing because they're not evolving with the times. That's too bad.

Re:Wow (1)

RHSC (1019802) | more than 5 years ago | (#22239856)

that's the thing though, they haven't been losing any revenue all along

Right then (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#22239510)

All you trolls that insist copyright infringement is the same as stealing, please point out a single instance of somebody being fined $1.5 million dollars for stealing a CD.

Obligatory Austin Powers Quote (4, Funny)

EEPROMS (889169) | more than 5 years ago | (#22239512)

Mr Evil "I demand the sum... OF 1 MILLION DOLLARS."

Re:Obligatory Austin Powers Quote (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#22239662)

He didn't spend four years at Evil Medical School to be called 'Mr.', thank you very much.

Re:Obligatory Austin Powers Quote (0, Redundant)

EEPROMS (889169) | more than 5 years ago | (#22239688)

Number Two: Don't you think we should ask for *more* than 1.5 million dollars? 1.5 million isn't exactly a lot of money these days. Fony Records alone makes over 9 billion dollars a year!
Dr. Evil: Really? That's a lot of money.
[pause]
Dr. Evil: Okay then, we hold the worlds culture to ransom for...
Dr. Evil: One... Hundred... BILLION DOLLARS!

Re:Obligatory Austin Powers Quote (5, Funny)

billius (1188143) | more than 5 years ago | (#22240210)

It's Dr. Evil, he didn't spend six years in Evil Medical School to be called "mister," thank you very much!

IOW: steal the physical CD from a store (2, Insightful)

denis-The-menace (471988) | more than 5 years ago | (#22239518)

The penalty would be much less than this.

Re:IOW: steal the physical CD from a store (5, Insightful)

ivan256 (17499) | more than 5 years ago | (#22239834)

One pirated CD copy is worth more than a human life!

An above-average wrongful death compensation award for a healthy working parent would be in the $1-3 million dollar range. You could go murder somebody. It'd be cheaper than pirating a few CDs. And if the CDs had DRM, the jail sentence would be shorter for the murder too! The US military pays out $600 for wrongful deaths in Iraq. A pirated CD copy is worth more than 2500 Iraqis!

In reality though, they're probably asking for so much in hopes that the compromise amount will be high. Hopefully congress tells them to fuck off instead of coming up with a "compromise" that is right in line with what they were really hoping for anyway.

Re:IOW: steal the physical CD from a store (4, Funny)

JensenDied (1009293) | more than 5 years ago | (#22239930)

Does this mean I can now go kill several people and leave a few burned CD's for their families as compensation and continue with my day?

Re:IOW: steal the physical CD from a store (1)

im_thatoneguy (819432) | more than 5 years ago | (#22240176)

When I was getting an online quote for new car insurance I wasn't sure what to classify a moving violation I had from 2 years ago so I just started seeing which would be the cheapest per month to classify it as.

I made an interesting discovery:

Failing to signal while changing lanes is more expensive per month than:
Vehicular Homicide or a DUI.

!?

Re:IOW: steal the physical CD from a store (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#22240002)

Their position is that the physical theft is less harmful. One lost sale, as opposed to millio-- oh wait, $15M is also for just one act of copyright infringement? Never mind.

Dollar worth less these days (5, Funny)

chris_mahan (256577) | more than 5 years ago | (#22239520)

I hadn't realized the US dollar had lost that much value recently...

Re:Dollar worth less these days (0)

Brandybuck (704397) | more than 5 years ago | (#22239684)

Dollar: a piece of paper that when inked is worth less than the same piece of paper alone.

Re:Dollar worth less these days (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#22240118)

At least it's not as bad as post WWII Hungary. By 1946, 8.28*10^29 (828 octillion) pengos equaled one prewar pengo, and all the money in circulation was worth .001 cents.
Hungarian Pengo [wikipedia.org]
Hyperinflation [wikipedia.org]

They do not really mean it (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#22239524)

damages that would total $1.5 million for copying a CD with ten songs.

It actually appears that they are making an argument for the end of American capitalism, just through the absurdity of their demands.


The above posting was intended to be funny and I disclaim any injury to any party caused by its posting.

I know (1)

eclectro (227083) | more than 5 years ago | (#22239536)

When they pass this law (and since when has congress not passed an "enhanced" copyright law) and it does not work, then the RIAA can then move on to more realistic "physical" punishments.

Like lethal injection.

So you're saying... (1)

Radon360 (951529) | more than 5 years ago | (#22239808)

Their business model could then become:

  1. Get Congress to legislate capital punishment for copyright infringement.
  2. Kill off virtually every music fan, lover, enthusiaist, and afficionado that would likely buy their industry's product.
  3. ????
  4. Profit!

(Sorry, couldn't resist that tired joke.)

Re:I know (1)

ChaosWeevil (1004221) | more than 5 years ago | (#22239876)

They wouldn't do a thing like that, silly.

It wouldn't make them any money!

About the author (1, Informative)

$RANDOMLUSER (804576) | more than 5 years ago | (#22239540)

William Patry is currently Senior Copyright Counsel at Google Inc. His previous positions include: copyright counsel to the U.S. House of Representatives, Committee on the Judiciary; Policy Planning Advisor to the Register of Copyrights; Professor of Law at the Benjamin N. Cardozo School of Law. He is the author of numerous treatises and articles on copyright.
So, no axes to grind there, right? ;-)

In other words his current job is work for weak copyright protections.

Re:About the author (2, Interesting)

TubeSteak (669689) | more than 5 years ago | (#22239690)

Not to mention that his comment about gluttony was made Dec 13th of 2007 on his private blog [blogspot.com]
http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20071213-house-committee-hears-the-cons-of-the-pro-ip-act.html [arstechnica.com]

In other words his current job is work for weak copyright protections.
From reading that blog entry, he really seems to care about how screwed up the copyright situation is with respect to the public good.

Never Gonna Happen (2, Funny)

cslax (1215816) | more than 5 years ago | (#22239548)

8th Amendment makes that completely impossible. Cruel and unusual punishment.

Re:Never Gonna Happen (2, Funny)

themushroom (197365) | more than 5 years ago | (#22239628)

You're thinking of Paris Hilton's album, which has probably made $1.5 million in sales - total.

Re:Never Gonna Happen (1)

Fx.Dr (915071) | more than 5 years ago | (#22239872)

made $1.5 million in sales - total.

But not in album sales - $1.5 million for new toilets in which the listening public has to vomit. One john just isn't enough these days.

Re:Never Gonna Happen (2, Funny)

Tr3vin (1220548) | more than 5 years ago | (#22239904)

You're thinking of Paris Hilton's album, which has probably made $1.5 million in sales - total.
$1.5 million in sales? Are you telling me that she bought that many copies for herself?

Re:Never Gonna Happen (1)

jamstar7 (694492) | more than 5 years ago | (#22240128)

So we have RIAA and all its employees and members arrested and convicted for releasing so many Brittany Spears albums. Gotcha. I'm down for that...

More money than there is? (1)

TheLazySci-FiAuthor (1089561) | more than 5 years ago | (#22239572)

This means that if every person in the US copied just one CD that would account for 4.5 * 10^14 dollars

No wonder the RIAA is ramping-up their tactics, look at how much they've already lost!

Re:More money than there is? (1)

Volante3192 (953645) | more than 5 years ago | (#22239820)

Interesting tactic...even if the level of copyright infringement stays the same, now they can claim even more in losses.

Maybe if some of those execs went to a press release wearing only a barrel with suspenders instead of Ralph Lauren Black Label suits I might, MIGHT, feel a twang of pity...

Re:More money than there is? (1)

countSudoku() (1047544) | more than 5 years ago | (#22239854)

Not only that but we now know what the price of any CD is really worth! Let's help the RIAA get their way!

I plan to:

1) pick up a guitar, make a crappy CD
2) have someone steal it
3) sue them!
4) ?
5) PROFIT!

It's that easy. I'm going to patent that method and then sue everyone who does the same thing! I am invincible! The Black Kinght always wins!

Over the top? (1)

SharpFang (651121) | more than 5 years ago | (#22239582)

And I want death sentence for speeding.

Recooping losses... (1)

themushroom (197365) | more than 5 years ago | (#22239586)

...from the albums being unlistenable crap not worth the purchase price in the first place, not lost album sales due to piracy.

That's how they can justify charging $150,000 per song when the songs on the CD were $1.50 -- no, I don't get it either.

What's Next? (1)

arizwebfoot (1228544) | more than 5 years ago | (#22239596)

Are they gonna next want you to sign over your first born for a lifetime of servitude?

On the other hand, maybe they'll take the ex-wife?

1.5 million? I think I see their problem... (1)

Xaivius (1038252) | more than 5 years ago | (#22239600)

If the recording industry thinks they're losing 1.5 million per CD, and PRESUMING that they aren't just money grubbing execs in a dying industry, then I'm beginning to think that they need to get their heads out of the clouds, and take a look at the history of commerce in america mandating laws. I'd hate to see the recording industry become a government operated corp...

How much of that $1.5 million... (1)

MojoRilla (591502) | more than 5 years ago | (#22239610)

If this somehow managed to become law, I wonder how much of enormous fines actually end up in the hands of artists? My guess is less than $15 per album. The rest are expenses, after all.

Re:How much of that $1.5 million... (2, Interesting)

JustNiz (692889) | more than 5 years ago | (#22239708)

umm none actually. Its the labels that are suing for their damages, not those of the artist.

Something is wrong here (2, Insightful)

TheGoodSteven (1178459) | more than 5 years ago | (#22239612)

So, what they are saying is that copying a CD deserves more of a punishment than does taking a CD from somebody by force?

"Engineering Expectations" (5, Interesting)

plasmacutter (901737) | more than 5 years ago | (#22239686)

These people are just "engineering expectations".

They introduce this outrageous dreck, then suggest something which is still outrageous but comparatively mild, like, for instance, forcing ISP's to disconnect users a-la france, or forcing them to pull great firewall of china style 'filtering', or prison sentences for college students.

Then, they'll bloviate on and on about how these new proposals are a "compromise"

Or.. this dreck is merely a red herring to distract activist groups away from that rider they put into the college funding bill to force schools to 'filter' their internet on pain of losing their federal grants.

violation of the 18th Amendment (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#22239728)

I know it's fashionable (and fascistic) for the US government to ignore portions of, or even outright contradict the Constitution, but wouldn't a $1.5 mil fine be grossly disproportionate to the actual cost of infringing 10 songs on a CD? Do the words of the 18th Amendment even apply here?

Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.

Re:violation of the 18th Amendment (1)

Skuldo (849919) | more than 5 years ago | (#22240018)

8th, not 18th.

Re:violation of the 18th Amendment (1)

daeley (126313) | more than 5 years ago | (#22240030)

I know it's fashionable (and fascistic) for the US government to ignore portions of, or even outright contradict the Constitution, but wouldn't a $1.5 mil fine be grossly disproportionate to the actual cost of infringing 10 songs on a CD? Do the words of the 18th Amendment even apply here?

Probably not, but a $1.5 million fine per CD is as stupid an idea as what the 18th Amendment instituted.

Just wondering... (1)

Sepiraph (1162995) | more than 5 years ago | (#22239742)

Is that in monopoly money?

Explain this, RIAA (4, Interesting)

DigitAl56K (805623) | more than 5 years ago | (#22239746)

If a single copy of a CD has a value of $1.5M, how can you justify letting hundreds of thousands of copies on it sit on the shelves of major retailers worldwide, priced at gasp $10-$20?

This suggests that if I were to publish a copy of a CD online , even assuming it retails at $20, I would have to serve 75,000 copies of it personally to justify that infringement penalty. Consider that the only feasible way for me to do such a thing is to torrent it, and in this case I personally am not responsible for the entire distribution, the total distribution must be subdivided across every single person who downloads a copy, because they are also uploaders. Claiming penalties against every distributor for the total distribution is like double taxation, but tens of thousands of times worse - I should not be liable for the activities of others, except to the extent you can prove that I facilitated the very first unlicensed distribution and that said unlicensed distribution was directly responsible for the entire cascade of further infringement, and that all other copies of the works were suitably protected.

Complete B.S.

Absurd lawsuits (2, Interesting)

KiwiCanuck (1075767) | more than 5 years ago | (#22239772)

That's why no one really care aboot the RIAA. Artists will begin to offer their music to the people via the internet. Groups of artist can get together and post songs. Initially, the songs can be free and low quality (128kbs) with web ads paying for the site. Once pop songs are found (via download numbers), then higher quality songs can be sold via an online store. Who needs producer? If you do hire one on a contract, and let him go the minute they are no longer useful. Flame me if I'm wrong! ~:-)

Typical lawyer's wrinkle (4, Insightful)

Bearhouse (1034238) | more than 5 years ago | (#22239780)

From the article:

"The issue is compilations, which now are treated as a single work. In the RIAA's perfect world, each copied track would count as a separate act of infringement, meaning that a copying a ten-song CD even one time could end up costing a defendant $1.5 million if done willfully."

Neat trick, eh? I fail to see the common-sense logic, but I guess that's never stopped the legal-beagles before...

For those posting about changing the business model, (earn money by prosecuting the shit out of your consumers). Yes, but it's probably more to get headlines and increase the imagined "deterrent" effect... Yeah right. Sure worked with the death penalty and murder/serious crime rates, eh?

For those posting about stealing the CDs, well sorry, but the way these desperate dudes are going, pretty soon it'll be illegal to rip those tracks to your Ubuntu box/iPod/whatever anyway. Fair use? Byeeeeeeee... Next up, 2Bn$ fines for those who rip music from stolen CDs!!!! Think of the children!

PRO-IP (5, Informative)

RobBebop (947356) | more than 5 years ago | (#22239798)

This is related to the PRO-IP Act [house.gov] (press released on Dev 5, 2007) that is in Congress. Here is who to blame:

House Judiciary Committee Chairman John Conyers, Jr. (D-MI), Ranking Member Lamar Smith (R-TX), Subcommittee on Courts, the Internet and Intellectual Property Chairman Howard Berman (D-CA), and Reps. Adam Schiff (D-CA), Tom Feeney (R-FL), Darrell Issa (R-CA), Steve Chabot (R-OH), Steve Cohen (D-TN), Ric Keller (R-FL), Sheila Jackson-Lee (D-TX), Bob Goodlatte (R-VA), and Robert Wexler (D-FL) introduced the "Prioritizing Resources and Organization for Intellectual Property ("PRO IP") Act of 2007"

Here's the "SHOCK AND AWE" value that the industry is using to get people's attention:

It costs the United States between $200 and $250 billion/year in lost sales, including 750,000 jobs.

Obviously, any rational thinking individual knows that 750,000 individuals are not "out on the streets" because piracy has taken away the revenue streams necessary for employing them.

Similarly, *if* $200-250 Billion isn't flowing into the pockets of Imaginary Property companies each year, doesn't that just mean that Americans are free to spend that same money elsewhere? Shouldn't Americans NOT NEED A $150 Billion handout from the government, if they have all this extra money from their copyright infringement?

Something isn't right...

Compare that to Cinematic Titanic... (1)

ProteusQ (665382) | more than 5 years ago | (#22239848)

...where Joel & company ask you politely not to share the flick with millions of strangers. Friends and family are no problem.

I can guess what the difference in compliance between the two approaches will be.

Increase noise to signal ratio! (1)

arthurh3535 (447288) | more than 5 years ago | (#22239926)

This must be another one of those ploys to show how 'desperate' the plight of the Recording Industry is, while aiming to just keep the fines at a higher level. More of that 'if you lie louder, more people will believe you no matter how unbelievable it is.'

Idiots. It needs to be going the other way, where you get a $5 ticket per CD that the offender has illegally downloaded if there is no proof of profiting off the sale of that music.

Comparing the RIAA with bands (4, Insightful)

adminstring (608310) | more than 5 years ago | (#22239952)

Stories like this only help highlight the differences between musicians and corporate leeches that exploit musicians.

If you live in a city with a local music scene, support your local independent bands, and support the independent bands that come through directly by buying CDs from them. No musician has ever attempted to extort 1.5 million from their audience. There is plenty of great content out there without having to go to the RIAA and their ilk.

By Public Demand (3, Funny)

rinkjustice (24156) | more than 5 years ago | (#22239980)

Alright, let's settle this once and for all - a SCO vs RIAA cagematch for most hated entity in the history of Slashdot.

I'm almost starting to believe RIAA is the favorite.

Punishment fit the crime? (2, Insightful)

bitshark (991435) | more than 5 years ago | (#22239992)

Anybody heard of actually suiting punishments to crimes? Technically stealing/downloading/borrowing/pseudonym-du-jour-ing a CD is illegal. Alright, so the recording industry is out somewhere between $10 and $20 US. You'd want to magnify that a touch to make it a suitable punishment (otherwise people would steal and, if they were caught, they'd be basically paying the law for the CD). A factor of 150 thousand? That almost borders on being a joke in poor taste. If it weren't for the fact that the RIAA goes to some pretty absurd and questionably legal means most of the time, I just might laugh.

Simple economics, really... (1)

Jugalator (259273) | more than 5 years ago | (#22240038)

I think this is what RIAA needs nowadays to make up for their falling profits due to their failing business model. :-p

It's starting to get urgent over at the RIAA HQ.

Stop Spending Your Money There (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#22240040)

Stop consuming RIAA music. Don't pay for it. Don't download it. When artists learn that it is suicide (in terms of finances and exposure) to make a pact with the RIAA, they will release music ala Radiohead; make more money and reach more fans.

Start looking for new music here: Creative Commons [creativecommons.org] . When you find something cool, tell your friends. CC music is sharable by definition, so you'll face no problems.

RIAA is a media company. Don't hate the media, BE(come) the media!

Let's negotiate. (2, Funny)

sizzzzlerz (714878) | more than 5 years ago | (#22240098)

How about a discount depending upon the popularity or skill of the artist whose album was bootlegged. For example, a Beatles album gets the full 1.5 mil. A John Denver is worth 250K. You come after me for jackin' Zamfir, Master of the Pan Flute and you have to pay me.

Stolen idea (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#22240174)

Didn't we hear this somewhere before?
Oh, yeah... sounds just like Dr. Evil in Austin Powers.
Except from RIAA it sounds ridiculous. Funny? Not so much...

Riptopia (4, Funny)

teslar (706653) | more than 5 years ago | (#22240186)

So, first I get an email from Amazon, telling me about their amazing new service called Riptopia [amazon.com] . You send in your CDs in multiples of 100, you wait some days, you get the CDs back along with a few DVDs containing high quality rips complete with album art, correctly filled-in tags etc. For about $1 per CD. And my thought was, "well, how curious, I wonder what the RIAA would say to that".

Then I come to /. and it appears the RIAA is saying it wants 1.5 Million dollars per copied CD.

It almost makes me feel like they have a new money-making scheme:
  1. Let people copy CDs on Riptopia
  2. Get detailed lists of exactly what CDs have been copied for whom from Riptopia
  3. Send out the bills
  4. Profit!!!
Now, I'm sure I saw a guy handing out tinfoil hats running around here somewhere....
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