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French Police Ditching Windows for Linux

samzenpus posted more than 6 years ago | from the viva-la-revolucion dept.

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esocid writes "In another European blow to Microsoft the French paramilitary police force said Wednesday it is ditching Microsoft for the free Linux operating system, becoming one of the biggest administrations in the world to make the break. The gendarmerie began severing its ties with Microsoft in 2005 when it moved to open source office applications like word processing. It switched to open source Internet browsers in 2006."

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Better headline (4, Funny)

osgeek (239988) | more than 6 years ago | (#22241688)

French police surrender to Linux

Yes, yes, it's more of a cliche than a joke.

Re:Better headline (3, Informative)

Creepy Crawler (680178) | more than 6 years ago | (#22241766)

That's just getting stupid.

They only surrendered to the Germans for one real reason: their artwork and architecture. I really cant fault them for that, considering the pictures I've seen in the aftermath of England.

I also keep in mind that they also made our current word: sabotage... that words origin comes from Nazi occupation of France, when the peoples would jam up factories and machines to help Germany.

For what situation France got stuck in, I really cant blame them.

Re:Better headline (0, Redundant)

Profane MuthaFucka (574406) | more than 6 years ago | (#22241800)

French police send SWAT team to kick in Linux's doors. They like what they see, and confiscate it for their own use.

Naaah, the surrender thing is funnier.

Re:Better headline (2)

Pig Hogger (10379) | more than 6 years ago | (#22242080)

French police send SWAT team to kick in Linux's doors. They like what they see, and confiscate it for their own use.
Er, no. Unlike the US, which is a rogue state in respect to property rights, the French police will actually uphold the law and will not seize property from innocent people.

Re:Better headline (2, Funny)

Profane MuthaFucka (574406) | more than 6 years ago | (#22243158)

How about "Microsoft surrenders to Inspector Clouseau" then?

Re:Better headline (0, Redundant)

sirmonkey (1056544) | more than 6 years ago | (#22243358)

lol now thats f'en funny right there... i was likeing the US(i live 10 minutes from dc) crack but thats better. only mabye, "microsoft takes over Mr. clouseau's bakery then fires him and ruin's his name" naa that sucks i'll leave the funny business to you crazy slashdot folk :-) oo oo lets see a "in sovit russia" joke!

Re:Better headline (-1, Redundant)

somersault (912633) | more than 6 years ago | (#22244210)

In Soviet Russia, you would be execute for crazy fanboy fever

Old "Clippers" gone Abroad.. (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22244654)

How about "Microsoft surrenders to Inspector Clouseau" then?
How about if good 'ol "Clippety-clip -clipster" changed his name into "Cli Paix"? - Maybe sported a tiny beret, too, and only answered 'Merde!' for every help query?

Re:Better headline (0, Offtopic)

Pig Hogger (10379) | more than 6 years ago | (#22244950)

How about "Microsoft surrenders to Inspector Clouseau" then?
Which one? The original British or the pitiful american imitation?

Re:Better headline (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22241852)

Keep in mind well before the Nazi invasion and the failure of the monstrosity which was the Maginot line the French lost their own civil war. Normally, one side or another in a country will win a civil war. Not so with the French. They lost their civil war to the British. Yeah. If it was "just the Nazis" everyone would probably give the French a pass. But, well, that's not quite the whole story.

Re:Better headline (1)

professional_troll (1178701) | more than 6 years ago | (#22242260)

Heil Hitler!!

Re:Better headline (5, Informative)

Chris Mattern (191822) | more than 6 years ago | (#22241974)

They only surrendered to the Germans for one real reason: their artwork and architecture.


They surrendered to the Germans because 1940s France was a bitterly divided nation with an ineffective government, and some political factions favored surrender over working with their political enemies (the Communists were strong in France at the time and operated as a fifth column, because of Stalin's alliance with Germany at the time--ironically, they would become some of the most effective of the Resistance later when Hitler invaded Russia), and also because of a strong strain of isolationism at the time--many Frenchmen in 1940 were actually convinced it was all Britain's fault, an opinion that was reinforced when the British bombed the French fleet at Mers-el-Kebir to prevent it from falling into German hands. The catastrophic military loss they suffered--the result of poor training, poor organization, poor leadership, and most of all, horrid communications (the French supreme HQ's picture of events was routinely several days behind what the front lines were seeing)--may have been the proximate cause, but the kind of disaster France suffered in 1940 takes a political and moral collapse as well as a military one. Read Shirer's "Fall of the Third Republic" sometime, fascinating read.

I also keep in mind that they also made our current word: sabotage... that words origin comes from Nazi occupation of France, when the peoples would jam up factories and machines to help Germany.


Um, no, it doesn't. While the Resistance in France certainly practiced sabotage, they didn't invent the word. The word comes from the French railway strike of 1910, in which the workers destroyed the wooden shoes that held the rails in place. The shoes in French were called "sabots", hence "sabotage".

Re:Better headline (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22244490)

"flung their wooden shoes [...] called "sabots" into the machines to stop them, hence the word "sabotage"."
There, fixed that for you, after all, what kind of self-respecting geek would I be if I couldn't correct your Star Trek quote?

Re:Better headline (2, Informative)

Chris Mattern (191822) | more than 6 years ago | (#22245170)

Like a lot of "good story" etymologies, this one gets repeated a lot because it's such a good story, but isn't supported by the evidence. There are no known contemporary sources reporting the flinging of wooden shoes into machinery, nor is the word "sabotage" used in this way before 1910, whereas the supposed shoe-throwing would've happened in the mid-nineteenth century.

Re:Better headline (3, Interesting)

00_NOP (559413) | more than 6 years ago | (#22245058)

What the parent said. Worth also repeating that the British were as beaten as the French except they had the channel to protect them, a government that said it was prepared to die choking on its own blood than to surrender and the RAF and Royal Navy to seal the deal. The French could have retreated to Algeria, then part of metropolitan France, but their homeland would still have been occupied.

The contrast with France and Italy is interesting: there were a lot of anti-Republicans in France in 1940 and they backed the armistice. They were then left utterly discredited (though obviously haven't gone away - see Le Pen), but the battle that was started on 14 July 1789 was settled forever on 20 August 1944. For Italy, though, because so many fascists got away with it (especially as some of them could say they were behind the capitualtion), the country has been described as being engaged in a low intensity civil war ever since.

Re:Better headline (3, Informative)

gweihir (88907) | more than 6 years ago | (#22242384)

Actually ''sabotage' has no connection to the Germans. It suspected to have originated in a railway strike in 1910, were a part of the rails called a "Sabot" was removed to render the rails inoperable. An alternate (according rto Wikipedia unlikely) origin is that of throwing wooden shoes (also Sabot) into mecanizes looms to kill them. Again no connection to the Germans.

Re:Better headline (2, Interesting)

ericferris (1087061) | more than 6 years ago | (#22242784)

That's also what I learned. In the early 1800s, the French tapestry manufactures started to purchase the newfangled Jacquard mechanical looms [suspenders.com] that got their patterns from punched cards. The silk worker corporations didn't like it one bit. Fearing for their employment, they started a Luddite campaign against the devious machines, discreetly throwing wooden shoes (French "sabot") into the delicate mechanism while the foreman wasn't looking. Hence the word.

Of course, as is often the case, the machines actually increased employment in French manufactures by lowering the price of tapestries and increasing productivity . Fear of automation is nothing new.

Re:Better headline (1)

dintech (998802) | more than 6 years ago | (#22244194)

I'm at work so I'll resist visiting suspenders.com until I get home. :)

Re:Better headline (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22243236)

What about them getting totally screwed over in Vietnam and begging for American help ? They also did nothing to Germany while they were taking all of Europe over until they were bagging on their door. They surrendered way before Germany got there. Belgium was more of a speed bump. Protecting your art and architecture at the cost of millions of Jewish lives doesn't at all seem worth it. France is and always has been a coward.

Re:Better headline (1)

sxpert (139117) | more than 6 years ago | (#22243846)

To put the record straight, the french specifically told the americans NOT to go to Viet Nam.
The arrogant americans ignored the advice and went there... The rest is history

Re:Better headline (1)

pipatron (966506) | more than 6 years ago | (#22244410)

Protecting your art and architecture at the cost of millions of Jewish lives doesn't at all seem worth it.

Humans grow and breed like rabbits. No matter what you do to them, they will always produce more humans. Some medieval plagues in Europe killed off 1/3 to 2/3 of the population, but it merely made a small dent in the population growth charts. Even the Jews, that were so brutally slaughtered in WWII, are now even more populous than before the war, and all that in just 60 years. (Estimated 9 millions before the war, down to 3 million after, and now around 13 million.)

The art and architecture will last for millennia, but if destroyed, these valuable pieces of history are gone for good. I think it's safe to say that they are more important to mankind in large to preserve than than any single human, or any group of humans.

Heh, I fear the mods on this one, but.. yeah well, I have karma to burn.

Re:Better headline (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22244700)

The art and architecture will last for millennia, but if destroyed, these valuable pieces of history are gone for good. I think it's safe to say that they are more important to mankind in large to preserve than than any single human, or any group of humans.

That pretty much sums up Nazi and fascist ideology: the state and its achievements are more important than the individuals.

As you demonstrate: fascist ideology is alive and well today.

don't try to rewrite history (1)

nguy (1207026) | more than 6 years ago | (#22244660)

[The French] only surrendered to the Germans for one real reason: their artwork and architecture. I really cant fault them for that, considering the pictures I've seen in the aftermath of England.

French military leaders surrendered to Germany because France lost to Germany in 1940. In addition, a lot of French supported the Nazis, eugenics, and anti-semitism. And the French were responsible for numerous crimes against humanity during the Vichy government.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vichy_France [wikipedia.org]

Re:don't try to rewrite history (1)

mycroes (1176405) | more than 6 years ago | (#22244806)

The Vista government?

Re:Better headline (1)

tomhudson (43916) | more than 6 years ago | (#22241812)

The french are just being pro-active; in the rest of the world, BSOD ditches YOU!

Re:Better headline (0, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22241858)

Enough with the French bashing. Those who bash the French do so at their own peril. We read tons of responses about people here on Slashdot complaining about American bashing. Both are forms of bigotry cleverly masked as a joke. Hopefully, someday people won't have to play dicksize wars over how their nation is greater than another or demean the nationality of another to feel more confident in their own. But until then we should mod crypto-nationalistic comments like this down.

Do me a favor. Travel through Europe and tell some of your French bashing jokes (outside the UK). Will the people you tell them to laugh with you at your cleverness or look at you in disgust like the bigot you are? Then travel through the US and tell some American bashing jokes. I think you'll find that you will get the same response.

Re:Better headline (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22241938)

Oh, and read this story [msn.com] if you think your bigotry is harmless. If it doesn't bother you then head over to Fuck France [fuckfrance.com] and hang out with the neo-Nazis and racists who support your views.

We Fart in Your General Direction (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22242494)

You silly English kNigHts!

Re:Better headline (-1, Troll)

$RANDOMLUSER (804576) | more than 6 years ago | (#22243310)

Excellent troll, franco-cunt.

"At my "peril"?" "

(counts to ten)

"My peril ???"

(Counts again, doesnt' help)

<responding to a French AC troll>

OMFG - muslim french islamo whackjobs on teh intertubes !!1!!one11!!

Bitch. Cunt. Fuckwit. Teenager. Faggot. Assclown. Fudgepacker. Knucklehead. Dimwit.

Swallow my sticky, spunky man gravy, you franco-islamo-cunt -- wait -- just lick it off your daughter's face - that's the last time I saw it.

Read your own history [wikipedia.org] . The hero of French WWI becomes the Nazi sock puppet of WWII.

I've already traveled through Europe - I've been to the Henri-Chapelle American cemetary [abmc.gov] (I hope I don't Slashdot a friendly site, but people need to see American tombstones running off to the horizion...), the Normandy cemeteries, etc., with a Patton's 3rd army vet alongside; (I saluted him harder and straighter than I ever have anyone, and I was ROTC during VietNam). I've heard the gratitude from second generation Belgians, first-hand. My own mother-in-law was a Brown Shirt air traffic controller, my father-in-law was a sergeant in the Luftwaffe, who spent 19 months in an Allied POW camp. Colonel de Gaulle was yet another French poseur cunt who spent most of the war hiding in London making speeches while Brits and Americans and Canadians and Aussies and Poles and Croats and Slovaks (please, no quibbles on order, I'm on a roll) lost their lives, while Parisians were put out that they lived in an "open city" and wouldn't be killed by bombs falling from the sky, but neither could get that perfect cup of Café Noisette....

Fuck you, French AC, you, and your country. You guys (not you, you have no status whatsoever, your (great)-grand-parents) gave up somewhere between WWI and WWII. My country (the USA) sucks today - but we're still trying. You -- you guys (your (great)-(grand)parents) gave up a long time ago - long before you, punk AC, were born.

Fuck you.

Did I mention, fuck you, French AC, you, and everyone you know? Never mind your baby sister and your dad, I already fucked 'em. Oh - your mom too. But everyone else you know.

</responding to a French AC troll>

NOT an anonymous coward...

Re:Better headline (-1, Troll)

427_ci_505 (1009677) | more than 6 years ago | (#22243370)

Dear $RANDOMLUSER,

what the hell is wrong with you? That's the most off topic and bile spewing rant I've ever read on slashdot.

Re:Better headline (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22243644)

What a post. The fact that a racist, gay-bashing, misogynistic, nationality bashing, chest thumping post was modded +1 Insightful is only confirmation that the moderation system of Slashdot is now approaching that of Digg.

Swallow my sticky, spunky man gravy, you franco-islamo-cunt -- wait -- just lick it off your daughter's face - that's the last time I saw it.
Wow, I am quite amazed that anybody would consider that insightful.

Did I mention, fuck you, French AC, you, and everyone you know? Never mind your baby sister and your dad, I already fucked 'em. Oh - your mom too. But everyone else you know.
Another amazing statement.

*sigh*

The signal-to-noise ratio of Slashdot has been steadily dropping but at least open bigotry used to be buried. It is a pity the meta-mod system failed. This type of moderation is perfect for it. Now we have the system of Digg where comments are modded not by content but by the emotional state of the moderator. Perhaps it is time to cut off mod points to any user with a UID greater than 100,000 and force meta-modding on all moderators before they get mod points.

[posted AC because I don't ever want to review the parent post in my history]

Re:Better headline (1)

mwvdlee (775178) | more than 6 years ago | (#22243786)

Just wanted to say I love your signature

No folly is more costly than the folly of intolerant idealism. - Winston Churchill

It nicely contrasts with your choice of intolerant words. You manage to insult a nation, homosexuals, muslims, adolescents and females in a rant that had nothing to do with any of them. Great demonstration of tolerance.

Please stop insulting Winston Churchill by using that quote in your signature.

Re:Better headline (1)

4D6963 (933028) | more than 6 years ago | (#22244432)

French police surrender to Linux

More like they farted in Microsoft's general direction.

C'est évident: (5, Funny)

Pig Hogger (10379) | more than 6 years ago | (#22241720)

Tous vos bureaux sont nous appartiennent!

Re:C'est évident: (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22241942)

Vous êtes en chemin de destruction.

Re:Mais je pense (1)

WillAffleckUW (858324) | more than 6 years ago | (#22242064)

Tous vos bases policieres nous n'avons pas des Fenetres.

Re:Mais je pense (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22242236)

ta guelle, salope. va t'en chier.

Re:Mais je pense (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22242782)

je nes parles pas francais....

Anslationtrae easeplae (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22242974)

Iae annotcae ollowfae isthae. Iae odae otnae eakspae ibianamphae.

D'oh (1)

Almahtar (991773) | more than 6 years ago | (#22242994)

Ok, perhaps it's the beer and perhaps my French is just that rusty, but now I have to know. Translation, please?

Re:D'oh (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22243176)

-All your base are belong to us.

-You are on the way to destruction.

-All you police bases, we don't have Windows

-you face, whore, go annoy yourself

Re:D'oh (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22243368)

all your offices/office desks are belong to us

AC stop using babelfish please!

Re:D'oh (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22243654)

All your desktop are belong to us.

Re:D'oh (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22244320)

It would be something along the line of:

"All our desk are belong to us"

Translation (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22244780)

"My hovercraft is full of eels"

How about some donations? (4, Insightful)

LingNoi (1066278) | more than 6 years ago | (#22241728)

"In 2004 we had to buy 13,000 licences for office suites for our PCs," he said, "but in the three years since then we've only had to buy a total of 27 licences."
That's great, but maybe you could appreciate what you have gotten for free and give maybe 10% of what you were paying before back to those open source projects?

Re:How about some donations? (1)

msuarezalvarez (667058) | more than 6 years ago | (#22241966)

you have gotten for free

I've never read such a request around here... and this is not the first big entity to do this.

Re:How about some donations? (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22241976)

Yeah I fell for it, it's Slashdot. But the French didnt switch to pay money... They switched to SAVE money. The faster Linux geeks figure out that a very large percentage of you will never see thin red cent for the work they put in the faster Linux will evolve. Linux is used by people because they either love it or two they got something for free. It's developed by big business because it's a free pool of talent that is more then willing to work for free, and it's used by big business because some other big bushiness takes all your free work and slaps a support price tag on it. Nothing more nothing less. It's not a life style for companies like it is for some of us, it's way of saving a few dollars. Everyone please get over yourselves, and we can move forward.

Re:How about some donations? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22242038)

they don't get it because they think that open source has something to do with it and they never consider free. when non lemmings talk about free they get shouted down the free has nothing to do with it. free has everything to do with it. unless you're a coder the entire open source aspect of the software means nothing.

Re:How about some donations? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22242980)

free has something to do with it, but not everything. If it wasn't a viable OS, it wouldn't matter if they paid you to use it.

Re:How about some donations? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22242050)

Uh, how about no? That's not their money to donate. Any money they donate would come straight out the pocket of the French taxpayers. It's the government's job to run the country. It's not the government's job to take money from the public and give it to people they aren't obligated to out of misplaced gratitude.

Re:How about some donations? (4, Interesting)

filbranden (1168407) | more than 6 years ago | (#22242058)

That's great, but maybe you could appreciate what you have gotten for free and give maybe 10% of what you were paying before back to those open source projects?

Or better yet, contribute code. With 10% of what you were paying for licenses, you can hire or pay developers to improve open source projects, you may even choose the features that you need. You contribute them so that others with the same needs may use them as well.

Open source economics is based on the fact that code is worth more than money. Code you may share as much as you want. Money you may only split.

Re:How about some donations? (1)

webmaster404 (1148909) | more than 6 years ago | (#22242320)

Bug reports and feature requests will be submitted chances are, not to mention the IT guys will probably change the code and audit it, so code will be improved.

Re:How about some donations? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22244346)

We're talking about the French Gendarmerie here. It is already a major contributor to open source.

For instance this http://www.ocsinventory-ng.org/ [ocsinventory-ng.org] is funded by the Gendarmerie.

Re:How about some donations? (1)

ag0ny (59629) | more than 6 years ago | (#22242508)

That's great, but maybe you could appreciate what you have gotten for free and give maybe 10% of what you were paying before back to those open source projects?

They already are giving back, indirectly. In exchange for the huge licensing savings, the French citizens are getting either:

- Better police service because (licensing budget is now spent on other things needed by the police department)

or:

- Reduced taxes because the police department stays the same, but now they need less money

My opinion is that since the police is paid by the citizens via taxes, every cost savings is already a benefit for each individual citizen, because their tax money is being better spent.

Re:How about some donations? (1)

donscarletti (569232) | more than 6 years ago | (#22242746)

No money need change hands, but presumably the IT department wanted the ability to modify the code, if they sent anything useful they do back upstream it would be even better. Further still, from what I can gather the French government likes investing tax dollars into simply hiring large numbers of French people; there are plenty of French people hacking on open source, how 'bought they hire a few of those already involved to work on the products the Gendarmes (and hopefully others in the future) use that are rough around the edges. That way the government looks like it investing in France and reducing unemployment, French hackers get awesome jobs, the cops get better software and so does everyone else.

Re:How about some donations? (2, Informative)

PHPfanboy (841183) | more than 6 years ago | (#22243816)

They are, you just need to know how to take the donations :-) No point begging for it, that won't get through a Purchasing department.


France is a hotbed of open source activity. Loads of top companies are well LAMPed and this provides a good market for developers and university grads. On top of this, there are plenty of university courses with open source projects associated, like the very excellent VLC multimedia player (and server).

There are system integrator companies like Linagora who provide full service for Open Source to institutions like the Ministry of Finance http://www.linagora.com/societe/presse/articles_de_presse/ministere_de_l_economie_contrat_record_dans_les_logiciels_libres_-_le_monde_informatique_ar884.html [linagora.com]

Re:Contributing is open source donation (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22244190)

La Gendarmerie Nationale (french paramilitary police) contributes to several opensource projects. OcsInventory-NG is a well known example http://sourceforge.net/projects/ocsinventory [sourceforge.net] (at least in France)

Re:How about some donations? (1)

nguy (1207026) | more than 6 years ago | (#22244678)

That's great, but maybe you could appreciate what you have gotten for free and give maybe 10% of what you were paying before back to those open source projects?

The French and EU government support some open source projects through research grants. Of course, more would be better.

Also, maybe they are buying support contracts, or buying machines from companies that support open source software.

I think it's good for institutions to donate, but open source wouldn't succeed if it had to depend on it

Re:How about some donations? (1)

bitflip (49188) | more than 6 years ago | (#22245222)

The exposure of a real life, very public rollout is worth that 10%, easily.

Re:How about some donations? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22245266)

There's no reason/requirement for them to do so. Why should they? You should be getting back to work fixing their bugs for free too, what are you doing browsing /.?

penguin patrol (0, Offtopic)

ILuvRamen (1026668) | more than 6 years ago | (#22241738)

lol that's all I got. They gotta change the name to the Penguin Patrol! Lol jk, I have something more constructive. I don't recall a story recently about any police databases getting hacked cuz they run insecure or worse, unpatched Microsoft software but wouldn't that suck if it did? I mean most of that stuff in their databases is public info anyway in the US at least but some of it isn't. So hurray for switching to something way more secure seeing as how the should probably have some security, you know.

The French... (-1, Troll)

sykopomp (1133507) | more than 6 years ago | (#22241788)

...RON PAUL '08!!!!

Re:The French... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22241900)

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/candidates/ [cnn.com]

yeah Ron Paul is just doing so great and all.

Re:The French... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22242250)

Despite the fact that the mainstream media cartel has done a fine job of managing who gets the mindshare, the Paulestinians are sure putting up a lot of signs and such.
Sort of wish I could agree with more of his policies, as he appears (with the exception of Huckabee, who worries me for other reasons), the only non-pwnz0red candidate remaining.
Oh, democracy, we hardly knew ye, before the Information Age made it easy for a small number of elites to control everything.

Re:The French... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22242766)

Sort of wish I could agree with more of his policies, as he appears (with the exception of Huckabee, who worries me for other reasons), the only non-pwnz0red candidate remaining.

Of course Ron Raul is not "pwnz0red" as you put it.

Who the hell wants a delusional, crackpot isolationist with a habit of saying no to represent their interests (besides fringe elements, supremacist groups, and naive college students)? No other candidates wants anything to do with fringe elements and various supremacist groups for fairly obvious reasons though I'll admit other candidates will take all of the naive college students they can get.

Fringe elements and supremacist groups like Ron Paul because he's been pandering to them for years or allowing others to do so in his name. Check out some of his old news letters which he supposedly didn't write and now claims that he didn't read either. Fringe groups like him because Paul will end the Iraq war and pull the U.S. out of the Middle East.

Supremacist groups like him because if he wins he'll drastically cut aid to Israel and pull the U.S. out of the Middle East thus allowing those in the Middle East to get on with the important work of pushing the Jews into the sea.

Naive college kids like him because he'll end the Iraq war and because they're just plain naive (or as I like to say "stoopid".)

Linux does make sense. (1)

jellomizer (103300) | more than 6 years ago | (#22241806)

The Police Agency if anything like in America are always on the border of huge funds or cutbacks. Linux being a systems which during the slow periods can be updated and kept modern without major overhaul and during huge cash flow years, Money can be invested in hardware and custom programming. With Windows and even Macs, during the down years you may face dangerously out of date systems and on good years a majority of the money will go to Software License just to keep the same old in quality of service. All TCO calculations aside Linux can survive and function with Very Low Budgets as well show its colors with high budgets.

Re:Linux does make sense. (3, Informative)

Pig Hogger (10379) | more than 6 years ago | (#22242096)

The Police Agency if anything like in America are always on the border of huge funds or cutbacks.
Er, no. It is the french Gendarmerie, and they are part of the armed forces.

Yup, in France, the roads are patrolled by soldiers. And no one fucks with them, as well as by being soldiers, they don't fuck with anyone either, quite unlike the pityful police farces too often seen in the US.

Re:Linux does make sense. (3, Informative)

AvitarX (172628) | more than 6 years ago | (#22242708)

It's true.

Even in the nice areas there are stations that have people armed with assault rifles outside keeping watch.

For the record, it didn't make me feel safe.

Re:Linux does make sense. (0, Offtopic)

sirmonkey (1056544) | more than 6 years ago | (#22243472)

sissy :-) hehe sorry i'm just a gun owner, so my reaction would have been, ooo is that the new hk? or sig? i must go see..... me *jog's towards officer* "hey is that a...." them *lifting weapon* "" *bang* *bang* *jam* "" me "nope that would be a dressed up M16 and wow they can't aim" *returns to previous activities*

Re:Linux does make sense. (3, Informative)

sxpert (139117) | more than 6 years ago | (#22243938)

No the standard weapon for the french military forces is the french built Famas

see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FAMAS_(rifle) [wikipedia.org] for more information

the thing is very reliable and doesn't jam

Re:Linux does make sense. (1)

sirmonkey (1056544) | more than 6 years ago | (#22244192)

thats a nice weapon! aren't we supposed to be the kings of war? i hate it when someone else make such a better gun! and when its all most as old as ours!!! why didn't the us army take the ar-18!!! whyy whyy!!! :-p hehe sorry i just rag alot because my friends dad is a vet that even today hates the m16 and ar-15's even tho the new ones are pretty slick. (i should say i own an colt ar-15 a2 ;-) )

Re:Linux does make sense. (1)

Sique (173459) | more than 6 years ago | (#22244650)

Hey, you get all the nifty airplanes and laser guided missiles and helicopters to play with. Other armies concentrate on providing the right basic tools to do the job at hand. Thus the french military has the FAMAS, and the Germans have the Leopard II tank.

Re:Linux does make sense. (1)

AvitarX (172628) | more than 6 years ago | (#22244936)

The 3 things that worried me about it were:

1) presumably more powerful than a handgun (increasing livelihood of strong bounce and hit if behind someone (though they probably have ammunition that doesn't penetrate))
2) It feels like more bullets in the air in general (though it probably is single shot mode)
3) It felt like when I visited Guatamala in the early 90's (definitely was not a particularly safe time)

Re:Linux does make sense. (1)

oliderid (710055) | more than 6 years ago | (#22244986)

sissy :-) hehe sorry i'm just a gun owner, so my reaction would have been, ooo is that the new hk? or sig? i must go see..... me *jog's towards officer* "

That's probably the most typical American tourist behaviour :-).
ps: (you cannot have a friendly chat with the British queen either...Especially while in Paris)

Re:Linux does make sense. (3, Funny)

jalet (36114) | more than 6 years ago | (#22243326)

> And no one fucks with them,

Just like with Slashdotters, unfortunately ;-)

Re:Linux does make sense. (3, Interesting)

basiles (626992) | more than 6 years ago | (#22243636)

More precisely, the Police Nationale is in charge of cities, and the Gendarmerie Nationale is in charge of rural zones (at least in principle) See french wikipedia: http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gendarmerie_nationale_(France) [wikipedia.org] And the Gendarmerie has also specialized units. More to the point, the Gendarmerie did pay several contractors (and also internal IT) to do the migration. AFAIK, the military status of the personel did help: they had to obey (and didn't complain that much).

SECAM for computers ;) (1)

Marbleless (640965) | more than 6 years ago | (#22241930)

The french use SECAM for TV's, why not computers.

SECAM = Something Essentially Contrary to the American Method. ;)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SECAM#Why_SECAM_in_France.3F [wikipedia.org]

Re:SECAM for computers ;) (1)

sxpert (139117) | more than 6 years ago | (#22243948)

yeah, and we all know NTSC stands for Never The Same Color, as the (crappy ass) technology is known to be prone to color phase encoding variations turning the color signal into shit

Crap (5, Funny)

Nimey (114278) | more than 6 years ago | (#22241932)

Now we'll have to rename Linux to FreedomOS.

great name. (1)

gnutoo (1154137) | more than 6 years ago | (#22242100)

Sounds better than FREAX [slashdot.org] , but will Linus agree?

Re:Crap (2, Funny)

flyingfsck (986395) | more than 6 years ago | (#22242488)

Yah want a server wiz dat?

Re:Crap (1)

sirmonkey (1056544) | more than 6 years ago | (#22243498)

haha if you don't mind, i'm going to be quoteing you in the future :-)

The bridge gap has been closing ever tighter (1)

PrescriptionWarning (932687) | more than 6 years ago | (#22241936)

Just in the last year or so, most of what you could previously only do in windows is now possible in OSX or Linux. It seems the only thing missing still is the existence of a good Netmeeting alternative/compatible in linux. Sure Ekiga does sound okay, but since it doesn't do desktop sharing I find myself keeping a windows virtual machine just for the purpose of netmeetings. While i know there are commercial alternatives that work in linux well enough using java, free is a much better price. Here's hoping Ekiga can accomplish this soon!

Re:The bridge gap has been closing ever tighter (1)

markdavis (642305) | more than 6 years ago | (#22242944)

There is a LOT more missing than just some "Netmeeting" thing.

As far as I am concerned, the most majorly missing thing are medium and large business applications. Especially the foundation ones, such as payroll, GL, AR, AP, HR, etc. For every one application you can find for Linux, there are several thousand for MS-Windows only (and those include *ix backends with MS-Windows-only frontends or IE-only frontends). When you start looking at industry-specific applications, it is extremely worse.

This is no fault of Linux, but of software companies not supporting it by writing or porting such applications to it. And they blame lack of adoption, lack of trained/skilled programmers for it, lack of standards, and lack of good development tools/evironments.

I keep hoping. Even in 2008, our nearly 95% Linux shop is eroding under pressure to run MS-Windows applications :(

Re:The bridge gap has been closing ever tighter (1)

Yfrwlf (998822) | more than 6 years ago | (#22244428)

Actually I think there are Linux programs available for most all the things you mentioned, but you're right that they are few in comparison. That's why more software companies, teams, and individuals need to port code, or write Linux apps from scratch. :)

More standards and support systems would really help though, especially a universal method to install any Linux app on any Linux distro that supports the standard/system/filetype, I think just that would go a long way in helping things. Everyone should be worrying about improving the kinds and quality of apps, and that can't happen unless it's simple to share them between Linux systems. Want me to send you an app over IM? Oh that's right you don't have dependencies X, Y, and Z like I do, guess you're hosed and need to spend 3 hours trying to recompile and find everything you need.

On the NetMeeting thing though, Linux needs a good video device API for apps like webcamming programs and video editors and such. At least now we have PulseAudio to make sound easy and powerful for apps, and it's compatible with some of the existing Linux sound APIs, but we still need that awesome video API and server system to go along with it (perhaps extend OpenGL?). :)

Re:The bridge gap has been closing ever tighter (1)

Ash-Fox (726320) | more than 6 years ago | (#22244754)

It seems the only thing missing still is the existence of a good Netmeeting alternative/compatible in linux.
  • Who uses Netmeeting anyway?
  • What's wrong with Skype (which replicates the majority of functionality except desktop sharing)?

but since it doesn't do desktop sharing I find myself keeping a windows virtual machine just for the purpose of netmeetings.
What's wrong with the easy to use VNC desktop sharing applications?

While i know there are commercial alternatives that work in linux well enough using java
Never heard of them.

Free as in "Freedom Fries?" (1)

sticks_us (150624) | more than 6 years ago | (#22241948)

/got nuthin

In all seriousness, this move seems like a wise one, especially when they enumerate the cost savings in licenses, etc. I will in fact print this out and bring it in to my MS-fanboi boss tomorrow, hoping to continue to build my case for migrating. Why is it that the Europeans embrace Linux so readily, while here in git'er'dun land it's so often viewed like the plague?

(ob. gentoo joke) Plus, they'll be more effective in their jobs if they're not sitting around, waiting for their packages to compile and dependencies to resolve. /still got nuthin

Re:Free as in "Freedom Fries?" (1, Insightful)

flyingfsck (986395) | more than 6 years ago | (#22242502)

It is the language support. MS language support is a lacking, unless you happen to speak some flavour of English...

Re:Free as in "Freedom Fries?" (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22244818)

My native English dialect lacks this expression, what do flavours of English taste like?

Re:Free as in "Freedom Fries?" (2, Insightful)

rprins (1083641) | more than 6 years ago | (#22244896)

Utter nonsense. If language support was lacking Windows would never have been embraced at all. Microsoft publishes all it's programs in every European language imaginable. And if not, French would be the first they'd support, they're not stupid when it comes to marketing.

Anyway, maybe they're switching because it just makes sense financially?
A more interesting question is, what is keeping the US government from switching? Are they more deeply locked-in or are they more willing to throw some money towards a good friend?

Re:Free as in "Freedom Fries?" (1)

Darfeld (1147131) | more than 6 years ago | (#22244994)

I doubt US government can be significantly more willing to throw money towards friends than a certain Nicola S.

But Mr N isn't a friend with any MS guy that I know. (And Balmer didn't give him a Xbox for Christmas, so it's maybe why french government is switching so fast...)

The pic that came with the story on Yahoo (1)

WillAffleckUW (858324) | more than 6 years ago | (#22242052)

The pic that came with the story on Yahoo was of some hot French police (two women and a guy).

I'm guessing that many Microsofties (Mee-crow-soft in French) would love to be searched by one of them.

Re:The pic that came with the story on Yahoo (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22242318)

if by hot you mean gross then yes you are correct,
otherwise, perhaps you need to see an optometrist.

Re:The pic that came with the story on Yahoo (1)

calebt3 (1098475) | more than 6 years ago | (#22242368)

Meh, they're female and their not fat. Good enough.

Re:The pic that came with the story on Yahoo (1)

calebt3 (1098475) | more than 6 years ago | (#22242386)

That sucks. I made the there/their/they're mistake.

Inspector Clouseau will have great satisfaction (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22242304)

... demonstrating to Commissioner Dreyfus how, using a database client installed on Linux, one can obtain summary statistics of the entire police payroll with very little effort.

Oops.

oblig. monty python reference (1)

russlar (1122455) | more than 6 years ago | (#22242876)

"Ah'm French! How else do zyou ecksplain my use of Linux, and 'zis out-hragious accent?!"

Never thought I would say this but ... (1)

fnord_ix (873405) | more than 6 years ago | (#22243420)

Go the French!!!

meh! (1)

demallien2 (991621) | more than 6 years ago | (#22244538)

I guess Les Flics are going to become Les Flix...
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