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Business Open Source Use Up 26% in One Year

ScuttleMonkey posted more than 5 years ago | from the this-story-not-yet-licensed dept.

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CBR is reporting that open source use in the workplace is continuing to grow at an astonishing rate. Up 26% since last year, businesses are using 94 different open source tools to get the job done. "[OpenLogic's] breakdown of licenses for the top 25 packages found that Apache, not the GPL, is the most common license. 62% of the packages use Apache, 27% use some variant of GPL and 4% each use BSD, CPL, Eclipse, MPL and Perl licenses (since packages may be released under two or more licenses, percentages total to more than 100%).

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Business Open Source Use Up 26% in One Year (2, Funny)

Hatta (162192) | more than 5 years ago | (#22266018)

Um, 26% of what?

Re:Business Open Source Use Up 26% in One Year (4, Informative)

abigor (540274) | more than 5 years ago | (#22266058)

From the article:

"Enterprises on average used a whopping 94 different open source packages last year, compared to 75 in 2006..."

Re:Business Open Source Use Up 26% in One Year (4, Insightful)

Poltras (680608) | more than 5 years ago | (#22266394)

From the article:

"Enterprises on average used a whopping 94 different open source packages last year, compared to 75 in 2006..."

So they have more choice. They don't necessarily use them more often. It's like saying that you doubled the tools used because you took the screwdriver - but you simply used it once... Am I getting this right?

Re:Business Open Source Use Up 26% in One Year (3, Informative)

Otter (3800) | more than 5 years ago | (#22266652)

It also happens to be 25%, not 26%. But, yeah, that's an absurd statistic.

Re:Business Open Source Use Up 26% in One Year (4, Informative)

clang_jangle (975789) | more than 5 years ago | (#22267106)

Not only is the summary is extremely misleading, it links to an equally misleading blog post with no direct link to TFA, which I found here [ebizq.net]

Re:Business Open Source Use Up 26% in One Year (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#22266660)

Whoosh!

Re:Business Open Source Use Up 26% in One Year (1)

jimicus (737525) | more than 5 years ago | (#22267588)

"Enterprises on average used a whopping 94 different open source packages last year, compared to 75 in 2006..."

You know, I'm sure the most basic Debian install is at least that many packages.

Re: your sig (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22272426)

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Re:Business Open Source Use Up 26% in One Year (1)

yariv (1107831) | more than 5 years ago | (#22266076)

Of what it was last year, of course.
The question is how is the use measured?

Re:Business Open Source Use Up 26% in One Year (1)

Timesprout (579035) | more than 6 years ago | (#22272300)

With a stick of course, how else do you measure things?

Re:Business Open Source Use Up 26% in One Year (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#22266086)

(last year)/(this year) x 100

Re:Business Open Source Use Up 26% in One Year (1)

cecilgol (977329) | more than 5 years ago | (#22267694)

FAIL.

Re:Business Open Source Use Up 26% in One Year (3, Interesting)

sm62704 (957197) | more than 5 years ago | (#22266126)

If yestdrday's post was correct, 26% of .08%. Of course we're talking not just Linux here of course ;)

However, as I pointed ot then, it's impossible to measure OSS use. OSS use by businesses would be pretty damned inaccurate, but wouldn't be as "out of my orifice" as desktop Linux use.

Clemons (Twain for those who like pseudonyms) spoke of three kinds of lies: Lies, damned lies, and statistics.

Re:Business Open Source Use Up 26% in One Year (4, Informative)

jonbryce (703250) | more than 5 years ago | (#22266166)

I read somewhere that something like 90% of large companies use free and open source software somewhere in their business.

This probably isn't on their desktop machines of course. It is more likely to be things like web. dns and email servers, and network routers.

Re:Business Open Source Use Up 26% in One Year (2, Interesting)

The Anarchist Avenge (1004563) | more than 5 years ago | (#22267186)

I work on the factory floor of a screen printing company, and I always get a kick out of seeing the OO.o icon in the start menu on the factory computers. Apparently my employers didn't want to shell out the license fees to microsoft for 80+ computers so that they could use Word maybe once or twice a week.

Re:Business Open Source Use Up 26% in One Year (1)

xSauronx (608805) | more than 5 years ago | (#22267558)

hard to blame them. my brother is a college student and doesnt want to even shell out 60 bucks for Office 2007 ultimate (a special student price) because, presently, he just doesnt care and only needs to write a paper.

one of my courses require it (meh) which means not only using office, but having to boot into windows to do it. its better than OO, for certain, but i just write essays and basic research papers, why its required is beyond me.

Re:Business Open Source Use Up 26% in One Year (1)

cheater512 (783349) | more than 5 years ago | (#22267642)

At my uni they give away Vista, XP, Office, Server 2003, etc... and still no one uses it.

Re:Business Open Source Use Up 26% in One Year (4, Insightful)

roguetrick (1147853) | more than 5 years ago | (#22267950)

At my uni they make us pay for Vista, XP, Office, Server 2003, etc by adding it to our tuition... and still no one uses it.
Fixed that for ya boss.

Re:Business Open Source Use Up 26% in One Year (0, Offtopic)

falconwolf (725481) | more than 6 years ago | (#22269780)

At my uni they make us pay for Vista, XP, Office, Server 2003, etc by adding it to our tuition... and still no one uses it.

Fixed that for ya boss.

Actually MS almost gives Office et alia away to colleges students. This is one way MS achieves lockin, students get used to using them in college then when they start working they expect their employer to use them as well.

Falcon

Re:Business Open Source Use Up 26% in One Year (1)

techno-vampire (666512) | more than 5 years ago | (#22268510)

Well, what do you expect? You're getting it for nothing and we all know that what you get for nothing is good for nothing.

Re:Business Open Source Use Up 26% in One Year (1)

jsebrech (525647) | more than 6 years ago | (#22271284)

You're getting it for nothing and we all know that what you get for nothing is good for nothing.

So you're saying the best sex is the one you pay for?

Re:Business Open Source Use Up 26% in One Year (1)

falconwolf (725481) | more than 6 years ago | (#22269760)

one of my courses require it (meh) which means not only using office, but having to boot into windows to do it. its better than OO, for certain, but i just write essays and basic research papers, why its required is beyond me.

First MS Office also runs on OS X. Then with Crossover MS Office, up to 2003 [codeweavers.com] , Office for Window will run on both Linux and OS X. However I don't use MS Office at all, on my Mac with 10.4 I use the Mac native port of OO.org, NeoOffice [neooffice.org] I have had no problem opening even MS Office 2007 documents. When I download a .doc document NeoOffice handles it with no problems.

Falcon

Re:Business Open Source Use Up 26% in One Year (4, Interesting)

nschubach (922175) | more than 5 years ago | (#22267260)

At my workplace, they approved a few different open source applications, FlashDevelop for the eLearning Flash content, Audacity, and Eclipse for some of the Web development. I'm sure there were a couple others. Though, I somehow don't think these types of software are counted in the OP survey or I'd think it would be a higher number.

Re:Business Open Source Use Up 26% in One Year (1)

neil-ngc (1019290) | more than 5 years ago | (#22268614)

Desktops have them, too. While the most commonly used programs, like Office, and, of course, Windows itself, remain closed source, many business desktops in a lot of places I've been have programs have OSS programs like PDFCreator and PuTTY.

Where I am now, I've even got Gimp.

Re:Business Open Source Use Up 26% in One Year (1)

flyingfsck (986395) | more than 6 years ago | (#22269150)

More likely 99.999%. There are so many Linux devices out there, I think it is impossible for anyone in the first world to avoid using free software for something. If you go to linuxdevices.com, you'll see that the embedded market is responsible for about 300 million Linux devices per year. That is 100 times more than Linux server sales.

Re:Business Open Source Use Up 26% in One Year (1)

Aadomm (609333) | more than 5 years ago | (#22266532)

Clemens actually

Re:Business Open Source Use Up 26% in One Year (2, Funny)

Dystopian Rebel (714995) | more than 5 years ago | (#22267034)

If there's one thing that infuriates me here, its Prescriptivist Slashdot Orthography Nazis telling us how we must spell people's names.

Re:Business Open Source Use Up 26% in One Year (2, Interesting)

TheRaven64 (641858) | more than 5 years ago | (#22266628)

I suspect their numbers for BSD and MIT licenses are far too low too. Did they check the about boxes on all of the closed-source software to see if it included any BSDL code?

Re:Business Open Source Use Up 26% in One Year (2, Insightful)

jonbryce (703250) | more than 5 years ago | (#22266846)

It probably isn't open source software if you can't get hold of the source because someone has taken some BSD code and closed it.

Re:Business Open Source Use Up 26% in One Year (1)

at_slashdot (674436) | more than 5 years ago | (#22266280)

26% of 44.5%. Duh!

Re: the usual /. %% fix (1)

brinkdale (1216888) | more than 5 years ago | (#22266508)

even 50% of a small number meens nothing.. so 26% ..hmm ok wow lots ! Not that i do not push open sorce myself.. old military background ,, linux for life.. but 26% of 1 is still nothing compared to Redmond stong hold..but .. Its still moving forwards.. thats all we hoped for !

Typical Misleading FOSSie puffery? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#22266796)

So in other words, the statistics state that Apache use is up... and that's about it.

Nobody using more Teh Lunix, nobody using more OpenOrifice.orgy, nobody using one of the millions of FOSS text editors. Apache is up... and since that is FOSS, they spin that to mean FOSS in general is up.

So much for intellectual honesty. It gets in the way of the narrative.

..just wait till we hit a million percent! (1)

vancondo (986849) | more than 5 years ago | (#22266074)

(since packages may be released under two or more licenses, percentages total to more than 100%)

Ah! Statistics!

--
http://vancouvercondo.info [vancouvercondo.info]

Re:..just wait till we hit a million percent! (2, Insightful)

msuarezalvarez (667058) | more than 5 years ago | (#22266650)

That has nothing to do with `statistics'. It is a simple fact of life that if you look at non-disjoint subsets, the sum of their sizes may very well be larger that the size of their union. This does not make knowing the sizes of the different subsets useless...

Licence use (2, Interesting)

jonbryce (703250) | more than 5 years ago | (#22266140)

Surely if most people use Apache, they also use something like php along with it? So why doesn't the php licence appear near the top of the list?

Re:Licence use (4, Informative)

abigor (540274) | more than 5 years ago | (#22266254)

Apache license != Apache web server

Re:Licence use (1)

Trollovich (1212554) | more than 5 years ago | (#22266268)

Probably because many projects use the Apache license.
Also, it's sure that not all Apache installations have PHP (there's still a lot of static content).

Re:Licence use (1)

ILuvRamen (1026668) | more than 5 years ago | (#22266344)

I thought for business purposes a lot of people use those two open source ASP pieces of software on their servers. You ever try writing...ANYTHING in php that's remotely complicated or God help us all...object oriented! I was just through that nightmare a couple weeks ago. It's like you've got to trick php into doing what you want it to cuz it sure as hell wasn't designed for it.

Re:Licence use (1)

dgatwood (11270) | more than 5 years ago | (#22267494)

What specifically is giving you fits? I've never had too much trouble with correctness when doing OO in PHP, though I have found PHP to be particularly bad at performance when doing anything involving manipulating large trees of objects. In such cases, I've seen as much as two orders of magnitude speedup by trivial translation of PHP code into C....

Re:Licence use (1)

ILuvRamen (1026668) | more than 6 years ago | (#22270492)

using an object instantiated on one page on the next page is a huge pain. If you serialize it, there can't be any object used in the class that makes the object you want to serialize.

Re:Licence use (3, Informative)

Cecil (37810) | more than 5 years ago | (#22266356)

Surely not. Apache can do a lot more than merely serve PHP apps.

Obviously, it can serve any static files all on its own, and it can serve any other type of CGI as well (C, shell, Perl, Python, Ruby, the list goes on). Apache Tomcat is a enterprise-level Java server, and I suspect this is where a large amount of the corporate usage falls under. Apache can also be used as a WebDAV server, it can be used as a Subversion server too.

PHP is a hobbyist thing, not a corporate thing.

Re:Licence use (2, Informative)

LordLucless (582312) | more than 5 years ago | (#22266702)

You've got to be joking. I see more jobs for PHP developers/maintainers than for any other web technologies (with the possible exception of .NET). I also know tonnes of businesses, universities, government departments, etc that run their sites using PHP. It is definitely a corporate thing. It might not be suitable for "enterprise level" (whatever that is) projects - it's easy to get REALLY messy PHP code when you start building something big/complex. But a big, important business does not necessarily necessitate a big, complicated website. And for simple CMS stuff, PHP is as good as anything else, and there's a large pool of developers to pull from.

Re:Licence use (3, Informative)

dgatwood (11270) | more than 5 years ago | (#22267522)

"It's easy to get really messy [insert language here] code when you start building something big/complex."

There. Fixed that for ya. :-)

Re:Licence use (2, Funny)

smitty_one_each (243267) | more than 6 years ago | (#22269528)

This outburst of cynicism might indicate that you've never tried Web Services [online-churches.net] .

Let me try... (1)

LeDopore (898286) | more than 6 years ago | (#22269962)

"It's easy to get really messy fuckin' code when you start building something big/complex."

Re:Licence use (1)

LordLucless (582312) | more than 6 years ago | (#22272420)

Yeah, but some languages lend themselves to it more than others.

Re:Licence use (1)

dgatwood (11270) | more than 6 years ago | (#22275768)

C++ still has "goto". 'Nuff said.

Re:Licence use (4, Informative)

snuf23 (182335) | more than 5 years ago | (#22266444)

Just because you use Apache HTTP server doesn't mean you are running PHP. Apache can be used to serve all kinds of dynamic content. For example:

Apache -> Tomcat (Java)
Apache -> Mongrel (ruby on rails)
Apache -> CGI (whatever)

I would guess that Apache/Tomcat/Jboss installs are more common than PHP in commercial enterprises.
As others have mentioned there are tons of projects using the Apache license. Spamassassin is a good example.

Re:Licence use (1)

mhall119 (1035984) | more than 5 years ago | (#22267162)

I would imagine things like Ant, Log4J and Commons alone count for the majority of the APL code.

Re:Licence use (1)

mhall119 (1035984) | more than 5 years ago | (#22267208)

And also Struts, Velocity, Axis, Xerces/Xalan, etc. Most of the APL code business use is going to be library and component code, not end products like Httpd and Tomcat.

But seriously (1)

omar.sahal (687649) | more than 5 years ago | (#22266186)

With the new PC's from Dell and other PC manufactures, not to mention wall mart selling out of cheap Linux PCs could we be seeing a tipping point here. Microsoft has countered (temporally), Linux in the developing world. But what would there response to the $199 PC be, can they afford to put some sort of operating system and office application on it! Can they afford not to.

Linux actually is the most popular OS (4, Interesting)

flyingfsck (986395) | more than 5 years ago | (#22266838)

Well, Asus alone plans to sell about 50% more Eee PCs (5 million) than Apple sells Macs (3 million) in 2008. So this is the year when Linux desktop sales may equal or exceed Linux server sales. If you count all Linux devices, then Linux is actually the most popular OS ever, with about 300 million Linux devices sold each year. If we assume a typical life of 5 years for embedded devices routers and cell phones, then there should be at least 1.5 billion Linux devices out there, compared to about 600 million Windows devices.

Re:Linux actually is the most popular OS (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22269258)

Considering our company buys all it's server boxes with no OS installed... where would purchases such as those fall into the stats? Do they assume an OSS install, proprietary or are they not considered. JAT (ok JAQ).

Re:Linux actually is the most popular OS (1)

Le Sale (944792) | more than 6 years ago | (#22270556)

Obviously, we don't live in the same world. I don't recall seeing a 2002-2003 cell phone lately as most people surprisingly manage to live through their 1-2-3 years contracts and then suddenly change their cellphones for the new one (althought they won't use one single feature from the new phone). As for routers .. well .. the 3+ years one you have are usually the ones you give to a friend/parent so they stop annoying you with their fun NetGear crap still running that they bought for 350$ in 2001.

Re:Linux actually is the most popular OS (1)

Hadlock (143607) | more than 6 years ago | (#22270914)

Well, Asus alone plans to sell about 50% more Eee PCs (5 million)
 
Does Asus also plan on dropping the price of the Eee to acceptable levels? It's a neat gadget, and I'd buy one, if models were available in the US that cost less than $400

Re:Linux actually is the most popular OS (1)

Weedlekin (836313) | more than 6 years ago | (#22271418)

"Well, Asus alone plans to sell about 50% more Eee PCs (5 million) than Apple sells Macs (3 million) in 2008"

Where did you get the "3 million" figure for Mac sales from? Apple sold 2.32 million of the things in the fourth quarter of 2007 alone, and 7.83 million of them during the entire year, compared to 5.66 million sold in 2006. It would therefore be a notably disastrous year for Apple if their Mac sales suddenly drop to 3 million in 2008.

Ars tecnica has sales figures taken from Apple's quarterly reports here:

http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20080122-last-quarter-brought-highest-revenue-in-apples-history.html [arstechnica.com]

Useless Statistic (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#22266196)

Again with useless statistics! This will be spun so many ways - e.g. Wow, apache must be the better license since it is chosen by a large margin instead of reality that maybe the most common OS app used by these businesses is, wait for it...., Apache servers????

We use Postgresql everywhere now (5, Interesting)

uuxququex (1175981) | more than 5 years ago | (#22266262)

After a lot of testing and benchmarking we moved our Oracle databases (OLTP and DWH) to Postgresql. We also looked at MySQL, by the way. Our production servers were migrated in August 2007 and so far everything has been very stable. It's too soon to really tell, but there is a feeling it is more stable than our previous Oracle setup.

Re:We use Postgresql everywhere now (1)

Dorkmaster Flek (1013045) | more than 5 years ago | (#22266604)

We also use PostgreSQL in our system at my current workplace. I've found it to be very robust and solid, moreso than MySQL.

Re:We use Postgresql everywhere now (1)

uuxququex (1175981) | more than 6 years ago | (#22276554)

MySQL is excellent for read-only database applications, i.e. database backed websites. The non-ACID compliant table types are very, very fast and when you take care not to over use joins your web site will be very fast.

Using it with the more full-featured table types it is not all that scalable, and you will be better off with Postgresql.

Re:We use Postgresql everywhere now (2, Interesting)

stoolpigeon (454276) | more than 5 years ago | (#22267092)

Nice. Are you doing any kind of replication? How about partitioning? If so did you do it in house or hire somebody to help out with that. I haven't worked with Postgres in about 4 years - so I've lost touch just a bit with what's been happening there.
 
And are the apps using that back-end all custom or is there commercial stuff that can use Postgres? I'm especially interested in that on the warehouse side.

Re:We use Postgresql everywhere now (2, Informative)

uuxququex (1175981) | more than 5 years ago | (#22268504)

I don't have exact details (I'm a Pointy Haired Boss) but we have some sort of replication going on. A few developers are looking in to the code for that, as it is one of the areas that we might be able to improve upon. It's only just started so there are no results yet.

We did the migration in house, without any major issues. The data warehouse was a bit of a challenge as it contains around 3 terabyte of data, and Oracle took forever to dump. Loading it in Postgresql was a breeze though! ;-)

All our applications are developed in-house (financial transactions and analysis) in C++ for OLTP and Perl for the data warehouse.

Anecdote: the DWH as originally developed with Oracle Data WarehouseBuilder. After too many weird crashes (ORA-00600), my team did a quick & dirty prototype in Perl of the staging area. This was around 10 times faster than what we had. The whole system was then rebuild in Perl in around four months. Two months of testing later we went live. And, as I said, a couple of months ago we migrated to Postgresql.

Re:We use Postgresql everywhere now (1)

ScrewMaster (602015) | more than 6 years ago | (#22268840)

I must say, you're a remarkably well-informed PHB.

Re:We use Postgresql everywhere now (1)

paitre (32242) | more than 6 years ago | (#22270170)

And one that I would love to have as a boss. :_)

Re:We use Postgresql everywhere now (1)

uuxququex (1175981) | more than 6 years ago | (#22276680)

Thanks, it's appreciated. My job is really simple: I'm a buffer between the senior management and the developers. I'm responsible for making shit happen without interfering with the magic that the developers do all by them selves.

I'm very good in office politics: I completely ignore it (up to a point, I'm actually quite skilled at it). There is a job to be done, and I make sure it gets done. By letting the specialists do what they do best, which is solve problems. The developers are happy because the shit from above never reaches them, and upper mgt is happy that things get done.

Piece of cake. The cake is a lie

Re:We use Postgresql everywhere now (1)

uuxququex (1175981) | more than 6 years ago | (#22276592)

Wouldn't have it any other way. I need to be aware about whats going on on a global level, I'm not one to micro-manage the specialists. Each to his/her own job. My job is to filter the crap from above and only bother the developers with the really necessary disturbance. And to make sure there are no issues for the developers to do their job.

Yes, I get yelled at by senior management, that's part of the job, I can handle it. The developers like me for not interfering though. And that's the only way to get work done. Which, in turn, makes senior mgt happy and validates my pay. Joy all around, I guess.

Re:We use Postgresql everywhere now (2, Interesting)

StormReaver (59959) | more than 5 years ago | (#22268014)

"It's too soon to really tell, but there is a feeling it is more stable than our previous Oracle setup."

That's been my experience, too. We've been using PostgreSQL in mission-critical capacities for years (our revenues depend on it), and it hasn't let us down yet. Oracle, on the other hand, has been rather...unpredictable.

Re:We use Postgresql everywhere now (1)

uuxququex (1175981) | more than 5 years ago | (#22268546)

Oracle, on the other hand, has been rather...unpredictable.

We got our share of weird stuff. Databases that would come up, telling it was already up (no, it wasn't). Our nightly batch would hang at least once every two weeks. CPU at 0%, no disk activity, but totally unresponsive. Neither we nor Oracle could find out why.

Re:We use Postgresql everywhere now (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#22268280)

Honest question: How do you get in a company that lets you do that? In my (small, 10 employees) company, I couldn't get them to go with Java for a new project no matter how hard I pushed, because of 1 stubborn Microsoft guy.

Meanwhile, Microsoft adds $44 b debt burden (4, Interesting)

christian.einfeldt (874074) | more than 5 years ago | (#22266406)

Is it possible that Microsoft will come to regret paying a premium for a business position in an industry it has yet to master, despite extraordinary expenditures (on-line revenue generation). Looky at how much ground Microft must make up to catch Google:
Rank Search Engine Volume
1. www.google.com 65.98%
2. search.yahoo.com 20.88%
3. search.msn.com 5.33%
4. www.ask.com 4.14%

http://www.hitwise.com/datacenter/searchengineanalysis.php [hitwise.com]

Note that msn searches have declined despite significant investment by the borg in pumping up its performance. There is strong reason to believe that Microsoft will not be able to tie its Yahoo properties to its Microosft Windows and Microsoft Office monopolies, and there is not a single one of Microsoft's properties that have succeeded to drive significantly scaled revenue unless it is tied to the Microsoft Windows and Microsoft Office monopolies. Halo was a huge seller, but them Microsoft sold off the Bungie, the creator of Halo, on October 1, 2007 after milking the cow dry.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bungie_Studios [wikipedia.org]

Microsoft took a $1 billion hit on the X-box:

http://www.news.com/Microsoft-to-extend-Xbox-360-warranty,-take-1-billion-hit/2100-1014_3-6195058.html [news.com]

The X-box was wildy outsold by Wii. MSNBC is popular but not a huge money maker. There is simply nothing outside the Microsoft Windows / Microsoft Office monopoly that shows signs of supporting Microsoft's stock is down 6.35% at the moment on the day, despite the Yahoo announcement. MSFT's stock is trading at $30.51, meaning that it is right back down in the same dolldrums where it has been since Q3 2003 , with no intervening splits!

There are lots of analysts talking about a glut of Vista machines, and wondering if CompUSA's bk might be the canary in Microsoft's coal mine. Microsoft's recent report of a 67% increase on its net reflects ADVANCE SALES of Vista licenses which Microsoft imposes on its vendors. If its vendors are overstocked with Vista machines, you wonder how much more Microsoft can cram down the pipeline in coming quarters.

In the meantime, Linux and Unix boxes have been selling very well on Amazon.com and swept all the categories for Amazon for 2007. From a recent story on /.'s fp:

http://linux.slashdot.org/linux/07/12/29/1959244.shtml [slashdot.org]
"Computers and handheld devices running default GNU Linux or Unix OSes have swept Amazon's 'best of' list for 2007, according BusinessWire.com for 28 December 2007. Best selling computer? The Nokia Internet Tablet PC, running Linux. Best reviewed computer? The Apple MacBook Pro notebook PC. Most wished for computer? Asus Eee 4G-Galaxy 7-inch PC mobile Internet device, which comes with Xandros Linux pre-installed. And last, but not least, the most frequently gifted computer: The Apple MacBook notebook PC."

Sure, MSFT is powerful, but with this Yahoo acquisition, they are taking on premium-weighted debt, and it really raises a question as to whether that asset will justify the premium. Yahoo has been declining, and it is not clear that the mere acquisition of Yahoo by Microsoft will succeed where Microsoft has failed in all of their other non-Windows-Office monopoly. That is the $44 billion dollar question, IMHO.

Re:Meanwhile, Microsoft adds $44 b debt burden (1)

calebt3 (1098475) | more than 5 years ago | (#22266524)

Don't forget that MS is hoping to add Yahoo's 20.88% to it's own for $44.6 billion.

Re:Meanwhile, Microsoft adds $44 b debt burden (1)

calebt3 (1098475) | more than 5 years ago | (#22266566)

Didn't read your post fully before posting. Ignore me.

Re:Meanwhile, Microsoft adds $44 b debt burden (1)

nschubach (922175) | more than 5 years ago | (#22267336)

Damn, now that I already read it, it's hard to ignore! ;)

Re:Meanwhile, Microsoft adds $44 b debt burden (1)

westlake (615356) | more than 5 years ago | (#22266598)

with this Yahoo acquisition, they are taking on premium-weighted debt

Microsoftr has $20 billion in cash. Microsoft saw a 79% rise in its quarterly profit. Microsoft is coining money.

Re:Meanwhile, Microsoft adds $44 b debt burden (1)

jedidiah (1196) | more than 5 years ago | (#22266662)

Hey! Whataminute. I thought Microsoft had $40 billion cash.

Time to pull up those couch cushions...

Re:Meanwhile, Microsoft adds $44 b debt burden (1)

jonbryce (703250) | more than 5 years ago | (#22266888)

They started paying dividends a few years back, something they never did before. That will reduce their cash pile as it is now in the hands of shareholders.

Re:Meanwhile, Microsoft adds $44 b debt burden (1)

gad_zuki! (70830) | more than 6 years ago | (#22269174)

Dude this is slashdot, facts that go against the 'MS IS DYING THIS IS THE YEAR OF THE LINUX DESKTOP' will not get modded up and will be ignored.

Re:Meanwhile, Microsoft adds $44 b debt burden (1)

TheRaven64 (641858) | more than 5 years ago | (#22266678)

And last, but not least, the most frequently gifted computer: The Apple MacBook notebook PC.
Where are all of these people who gift[1] MacBooks, and why don't I know any of them?


[1] Verbing weirds language.

Re:Meanwhile, Microsoft adds $44 b debt burden (1)

falconwolf (725481) | more than 6 years ago | (#22270126)

Sure, MSFT is powerful, but with this Yahoo acquisition, they are taking on premium-weighted debt, and it really raises a question as to whether that asset will justify the premium. Yahoo has been declining, and it is not clear that the mere acquisition of Yahoo by Microsoft will succeed where Microsoft has failed in all of their other non-Windows-Office monopoly. That is the $44 billion dollar question, IMHO.

Something I find ironic about MS acquiring Yahoo! to compeat with Google is that Yahoo! was one of Google's angel investors before the Google IPO.

Falcon

Re:Meanwhile, Microsoft adds $44 b debt burden (1)

Le Sale (944792) | more than 6 years ago | (#22270596)

So what I can graps from your comment is that Microsoft is very evil. Quite funny from someone would have complained otherwise if the warranty on the 360 (to name one of your grief) wasn't extended. And you seem to allocate a lot of interest into home computers, which are the most pirated/less-earning machines, especially compared to corporate. What's the mail server if I run a *nix environnement or an Apple one ? Oh right, no leads. Exchange. Maybe GroupWise (haha) or Notes (bleah). Do I see any fancy GPL software implemented in a corporation ? Nah .. why ? Support, hotfixes, no "let's try this to see if it works" stuff, just plain .. "it works" stuff and if there's a bug, they get it fixed (as in .. SOMEONE is reponsible .. not like the funny RedHat/SuSe support you can try to get, and immediatly fall into the "Ohh you installed BLABLA rpm .. then we can't help you unless you uninstall it". The downfall of Novell was pretty similar, they started blaming every NDS problem with the fact that their poor excuse for a Novell Client was having trouble because M$ screwed it (while it was still about 95% of the corporate computer OS). What happened ? Novell dissapeared.

Re:Meanwhile, Microsoft adds $44 b debt burden (1)

david_thornley (598059) | more than 6 years ago | (#22272680)

Do I see any fancy GPL software implemented in a corporation ? Nah .. why ? Support, hotfixes, no "let's try this to see if it works" stuff, just plain .. "it works" stuff and if there's a bug, they get it fixed (as in .. SOMEONE is reponsible .. not like the funny RedHat/SuSe support you can try to get, and immediatly fall into the "Ohh you installed BLABLA rpm .. then we can't help you unless you uninstall it".

I don't know about anybody else, but the only time I was told to wipe and reinstall was when Windows XP was malfunctioning. I later determined that it was hanging when I installed one of the standard Microsoft updates, never did find which one.

In practice, I've found F/OSS to have good support, provided of course you stick to reasonably popular packages. Contrary to popular belief, nobody is responsible for most commercial software. You pays your money and you takes your chances, and if it doesn't work in some particular case, well, it sucks to be you. Microsoft and Oracle have plenty of other customers. The GPL comes with a section promising no warranty whatsoever, which is at least more honest than the typical EULA, which is complicated enough so it isn't obvious that the vendor is accepting no responsibility whatsoever.

The best and worst tech support I've had were in commercial software, but my experience is that F/OSS tech support for popular packages is a lot better than average. Nor is it as needed, because the general quality is better.

So what? (1)

PolarBearFire (1176791) | more than 5 years ago | (#22266438)

26% is good but not "astonishing". In the technology world it's not uncommon for products to be adopted at the rate of hundreds of percent. 26% could be a fluke for all we know considering the small market share currently.

Recession? (4, Insightful)

Average (648) | more than 5 years ago | (#22266452)

Perhaps the start of a recession (or recession talk) is leading to a second and third look at the question "could we get away with using FOSS software in this task?". Training costs are one thing. But, in a deep enough recession, people are looking to save their jobs. They'll learn whatever they are told to learn, and they'll do it on their own time (go read the FOSS community pages/wiki if need be). Those that can't, well, will be the first to be furloughed.

Vista (3, Insightful)

MillionthMonkey (240664) | more than 5 years ago | (#22266686)

This may be a stretch, but after Microsoft Vista, I think the business community could be losing confidence in Microsoft's future. They might fear that if they use MS products, they could lose support and there would be no one left to assume liability.

Re:Vista (2, Insightful)

masdog (794316) | more than 5 years ago | (#22267460)

I think it will take more than Vista to cause the business community to start to lose confidence in Microsoft. They have several other strong product lines that many businesses rely upon for their operations, and one bad desktop operating system isn't going to make a Sys Admin or DBA reconsider Windows Server, Exchange, or SQL Server.

If anything, Microsoft has shaken the confidence of the consumer market with Vista, the XBox 360 RRoD, HD-DVD, and the Windows Home Server corruption problems. In the grand scheme of things, that is small potatoes to the company that has locked up a good portion of the business world.

Make no mistake - Microsoft will not go away because of Vista, and no amount of wishful thinking can change that. It may hurt them, but they will continue to not go quietly into the night.

If something were to happen that would greatly harm Microsoft to the point that they would be going out of business (like this attempted hostile takeover of Yahoo), you can believe that they would be selling or spinning off their different divisions to remain around just a bit longer.

Re:Vista (1)

jez9999 (618189) | more than 5 years ago | (#22268184)

If something were to happen that would greatly harm Microsoft to the point that they would be going out of business (like this attempted hostile takeover of Yahoo)

On what evidence do you base the assertion that Microsoft's takeover of Yahoo will put MS out of business (don't get me wrong, I want it to happen, but it's wishful thinking)?

put MS out of business (1)

falconwolf (725481) | more than 6 years ago | (#22270264)

don't get me wrong, I want it to happen, but it's wishful thinking

I'm no supporter of Microsoft, I don't like how it is run, but I don't want to see MS put out of business. Instead what I want to see is MS operating in a truly free market and not use it's monopoly position to harm competitors. They should instead compeat with better products.

Falcon

Re:put MS out of business (1)

jez9999 (618189) | more than 6 years ago | (#22271696)

Nope, I want em out of business. I'm just bored of their name, their logo, etc. I wanna see some fresh faces. Besides, they bug me.

adoption (3, Insightful)

rpillala (583965) | more than 5 years ago | (#22266556)

I am in a "graduate" program where we frequently get projects that require photo manipulation, presentations, etc. They also require us to work in groups. Since not everyone is from my same company we don't always have access to the same software to collaborate. I've been using this as an excuse to introduce people to things like GIMP and OpenOffice. The appeal of a free program that gets the specific tasks done that we need is pretty compelling. I don't know how many of them pass this kind of information on, but I know a few of them have gotten hooked.

Somebady Remind Me (-1, Troll)

Zordak (123132) | more than 5 years ago | (#22266690)

What's 26% of 0?

Bjarne is right (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#22266698)

I am with Bjarne on this one.
Bjarne Stroustrup, creator of the C++ programming language, claims that C++ is experiencing a revival and
that there is a backlash against newer programming languages such as Java and C#. "C++ is bigger than ever.
There are more than three million C++ programmers. Everywhere I look there has been an uprising
- more and more projects are using C++. A lot of teaching was going to Java, but more are teaching C++ again.
There has been a backlash.", said Stroustrup.

Re:Bjarne is right (1)

Tranzistors (1180307) | more than 5 years ago | (#22268094)

Who was the ignorant mod-kiddy, who gave this Cato [enotes.com] +1 Insightful? History is repeating itself again. This comment-at-each-article must be stopped before the reign of C++ devours us all!

yay (1)

smithcl8 (738234) | more than 5 years ago | (#22266918)

7-Zip, Firefox, PDFCreator, PuTTY, the list goes on and on.

Not to hard (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#22267100)

When there are only four open source programs being used, it's pretty easy to get a fifth.

It's the number of free software packages up 26% (5, Informative)

clang_jangle (975789) | more than 5 years ago | (#22267300)

According to TFA [ebizq.net] it's the number of free software packages that's "up 26%", not business use of free software.

Bad submitter, bad!!!.
Bad editors, bad! Bad!

take that BSA! (1)

nurb432 (527695) | more than 5 years ago | (#22267628)



Oh, and everyone else making life rough for paying customers, and treating them like criminals.

OpenOffice has a big role in this (1)

rastoboy29 (807168) | more than 5 years ago | (#22268322)

In the last year or two, I can't tell you how many times people have asked me where they could get a good deal on MS Office, only to have me mention OpenOffice as a free alternative and had it eagerly siezed upon.

It's strange, really.  I'm like "You must need to open that spreadsheet file?" and they're like "It's an *.xls!"  "Yess...why don't you try this out?"  "It can open this file!?"  "Probably" and then so far it's always been fine and they're quite elated not to have had to buy MS Office.  I mean, it's not like they LIKE it, they're just USED to it.

I think it is only an issue for a relatively small percentage of users who used more advanced features that most people (including myself!) never, ever use.

Re:OpenOffice has a big role in this (1)

ScrewMaster (602015) | more than 6 years ago | (#22268882)

All major office suites are kitchen-sink applications that try to be everything to everybody, and Microsoft Office is probably the biggest sink of them all.

On so many levels.

Re:OpenOffice has a big role in this (1)

darrenkw (1085901) | more than 6 years ago | (#22270554)

Same here. I've been pleasantly surprised how many of my neighbours are using openoffice rather than ms office.

No Open Source = DEATH (1)

ianare (1132971) | more than 5 years ago | (#22268416)

We are very, very reliant on OSS, so much so that the company would fold without them. All our servers are linux if possible (some apps require a MS server, i.e. quickbooks), we use python scripts (on windows WS) for many daily tasks, many of our GUI apps are wxPython, our project mangement/tracking system is a custom-made PHP/MySQL/Apache deal, most of our workstations use OO.o rather than MS Office (the execs have it though), the company website is on apache/PHP, our email system is Scalix on centOS. The only major part of our infrastructure which is propriatary is quickbooks, leadtools [leadtools.com] /delphi, OCR (abbyy) and some pretty specific scanning software -- simply because no equivalent _good_ OSS exists. Since leadtools/scanning software will only work on windows, all our workstations are XP, except mine which is Ubuntu.

While having someone like me who is very much into open source and pitch it whenever I can helps no doubt, the execs also understand that it lowers costs, gives better flexability and removes reliance on 3rd parties. We would probably be all open source if not for apps described above.
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