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Hardy Heron Alpha 4 Released

Zonk posted more than 6 years ago | from the that-bird-can-take-a-beating dept.

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LarryBoy writes "Ubuntu 8.04 (Hardy Heron) alpha 4 was released Friday and Ars Technica has a look at what's new in the latest builds of Hardy Heron. 'Although many of the significant architectural features like PulseAudio and GIO are still in transitional stages and aren't fully functional yet, Ubuntu 8.04 alpha 4 is still very impressive. I'm a big fan of D-Bus and I'm very pleased to see it being adopted throughout the entire desktop stack in core components.'"

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ndiswrapper (3, Interesting)

Finallyjoined!!! (1158431) | more than 6 years ago | (#22276614)

Still doesn't work properly.
But 8.04, it's bloody nice! I downloaded it this afternoon for a play :-) Ooops, p2p, must be illegal. Its great man!

Re:ndiswrapper (2, Interesting)

Brian Gordon (987471) | more than 6 years ago | (#22276662)

I'm very put off by the selective-sudo nonsense that's supposedly going to be pervasive in Hardy. That can't possibly be supported by the processor without some super-weird extra abstraction that will just slow things down.

Re:ndiswrapper (5, Informative)

2sheds (78194) | more than 6 years ago | (#22276708)

You mean PolicyKit? Surely granular user privileges are a good thing in this day and age? It's a D-Bus interface anyway, hardly super weird.

Re:ndiswrapper (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22277080)

Wireless networking should be the #1 priority of the Ubuntu team; it's absolutely the biggest turn off when a new user finds they can't get on the internet right after install. No more excuses, this has to be fixed if Ubuntu wants to be taken seriously as an alternative to Windows.

Re:ndiswrapper (2, Interesting)

cheater512 (783349) | more than 6 years ago | (#22277186)

I have never used Ubuntu so please correct me if I'm wrong.

Is the wifi problem in Ubuntu driver related or UI related?

Its a well known fact that wifi manufacturers really hate giving away any clues so making wifi drivers is always a struggle.
A *lot* of them are currently supported though and more are on the way.

If its UI related then there arent too many excuses.
However its probably best if they did it right the first time so if they need more time, I say give it to them.

Re:ndiswrapper (2, Informative)

MMC Monster (602931) | more than 6 years ago | (#22277532)

I suggest you try wifi on Ubuntu 7.10. Don't even install the OS. Just boot the CD and try it from their. (Firefox via a liveCD is somewhat slow, but functional.) Wireless was seamless for me. It just works, to steal a phrase from Apple. It connects to a wireless connection. Click once on the connection icon and get a list of all the wireless networks the computer can detect, including icons for which require a password and bars to show the signal strength. It's fun to hop from network to network. :-)

Re:ndiswrapper (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22277398)

The funny thing is I rarely find setting up wireless networking in Windows a trouble-free experience. I'm not saying I've never had problems with Ubuntu, far from it, but I've had far more problems with Windows XP.

Re:ndiswrapper (1)

GIL_Dude (850471) | more than 6 years ago | (#22277502)

I've never had any problems setting up wireless on Windows - but it is because Windows is what the vendors support. I'd heard horror stories from people about setting up wireless on Linux (and I guess it can be that way depending on your wireless chipset). But I have to say; I repartitioned a Lenovo X60s yesterday (running Vista) and added Ubuntu 7.10 to the BCD menu and fired up wireless and it worked with no "messing" with anything; just out of the box flawless. It was a pleasant surprise (I normally just run Ubuntu on a desktop machine and this was my first try on wireless). Nicely done GNU/Linux/Ubuntu team!

Re:ndiswrapper (3, Interesting)

cheater512 (783349) | more than 6 years ago | (#22277126)

There must be very very few things that you need ndiswrapper for these days.

To be honest, I've never needed to touch it at all.
I've been pretty lucky with wifi support (every wifi device I've bought has Linux drivers even though I didnt check before hand) but other hardware also works fine.

I consider ndiswrapper a really dirty hack which is required in certain circumstances.
I would never tell anyone to use it.

linux fags (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22276624)

faggots taking linux fag dicks up your linux fag asses. just keep sucking them dicks you bunch of faggot pizza delivery boys. i hope you get the aids and die a faggots death. motherfucking homos.

Re:linux fags (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22276684)

You are incorrect :D :D :D

Did anybody else (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22276628)

read this as Hairy Hard-on?

Re:Did anybody else (1)

PCeye (661091) | more than 6 years ago | (#22276668)

No. I quickly read it as "hearty herring", but I guess I was hungry at the time

Re:Did anybody else (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22277046)

You're lucky. I read it as "Hearty Hard-on".

PulseAudio works nicely in Fedora 8 (3, Informative)

crush (19364) | more than 6 years ago | (#22276634)

PulseAudio works great in Fedora 8. That's not really surprizing as the primary developer is a Red Hat employee (see http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Interviews/LennartPoettering [fedoraproject.org] ). It's weird the way Ubuntu advocacy pieces rarely mention that most of the software which is touted as being part of the Ubuntu experience is usually programmed by Debian or Red Hat or Novell developers.

Re:PulseAudio works nicely in Fedora 8 (3, Interesting)

cbart387 (1192883) | more than 6 years ago | (#22276702)

Business sense most like. It doesn't really matter where it originated as long as Ubuntu does it well. If they put emphasis that PulseAudio was originally developed for Fedora wouldn't that make it more likely that people would try out Fedora instead of Ubuntu. I'm sure more knowledgeable slashdotters could name packages for Fedora that were originally developed in Ubuntu or other distros. It's all a matter of perception but perception is important.

Re:PulseAudio works nicely in Fedora 8 (1, Troll)

crush (19364) | more than 6 years ago | (#22276826)

Well, yeah, I agree that it's marketing. My objection is that it's verging on the dishonest and that seems to permeate much of the enthusiasm behind Ubuntu. For instance their parent company Canonical still has not released the sourcecode to Launchpad [launchpad.net] ! How absolutely hypocritical is that? A company which makes free use (as they should be able to) of FL/OSS software and then sits on top of the one thing which their developers did apparently create on their own. Do Ubuntu developers do anything besides tweak color palettes and write bullshit press releases which fail to give credit to the actual producers of the software which they parasitize? Other stuff not-coded-by-the-Canonical-parasites: NetworkManager, PolicyKit, the kernel, Nautilus, drivers, aptitude ...

Re:PulseAudio works nicely in Fedora 8 (1)

cbart387 (1192883) | more than 6 years ago | (#22276882)

Point taken. I wasn't aware fully of what you were implying. I have no problem with using a distro that takes a lot of the software from other ditros. I don't even have a problem if the developers are doing mostly tweaks. However saying that it is your own work is quite different. If what you say is true I'm very disheartened.

Re:PulseAudio works nicely in Fedora 8 (3, Informative)

Matt Perry (793115) | more than 6 years ago | (#22277232)

However saying that it is your own work is quite different.
No Ubuntu developers have claimed someone else's work as their own. The GP is just upset for some strange reason that Ubuntu, like all other distros, incorporates code from other distributions into its own. All distros do this, and most companies that release Linux distros employ developers to work on existing and new projects.

Re:PulseAudio works nicely in Fedora 8 (1)

cbart387 (1192883) | more than 6 years ago | (#22277380)

Good. I should have used Occam's Razor test on his posts, since that was the first time I've heard of that about Ubuntu. It only makes sense to incorporate code, there's no reason to duplicate work. By the way, your signature is way too true.

Re:PulseAudio works nicely in Fedora 8 (4, Insightful)

pipatron (966506) | more than 6 years ago | (#22276954)

So what you're saying is that Debian fucking sucks because they take like, Linus' kernel and GNU compilers and Theo's ssh server instead of developing their own things?

I think you need to take a deep breath and read the GPL and BSD license again. ;)

Sharing is caring.

Re:PulseAudio works nicely in Fedora 8 (0, Troll)

Telvin_3d (855514) | more than 6 years ago | (#22277204)

I think that is the point. Debian and the other releases build on what is out there, incorporate other work into their own and release what they make themselves. The GPs objection to Ubuntu is that while they build on what other people have done, they don't release their own contributions back tot he community. No one is sugesting that they are violating the GPL or any other license, but they are perhaps violating the spirit of the community that they depend on for their own wellbeing.

Re:PulseAudio works nicely in Fedora 8 (4, Insightful)

Matt Perry (793115) | more than 6 years ago | (#22277280)

The GPs objection to Ubuntu is that while they build on what other people have done, they don't release their own contributions back tot he community.
Ubuntu is closed-source? That's news to everyone. Source?

Re:PulseAudio works nicely in Fedora 8 (3, Insightful)

leenks (906881) | more than 6 years ago | (#22277522)

Launchpad. Show me the source!

Re:PulseAudio works nicely in Fedora 8 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22277576)

That's not the Ubuntu developers' doing; indeed, many of them are furious with Canonical for keeping the source proprietary. The Launchpad development team has little to do with Ubuntu, apart from being from the company that is Ubuntu's main sponsor.

Re:PulseAudio works nicely in Fedora 8 (3, Interesting)

krmt (91422) | more than 6 years ago | (#22277768)

Then why doesn't the Ubuntu community set themselves up on a totally free infrastructure? Every other major distro has one these days.

Re:PulseAudio works nicely in Fedora 8 (1)

Matt Perry (793115) | more than 6 years ago | (#22277652)

Launchpad. Show me the source!
On what basis do you feel they are obligated to show you the source to Launchpad?

Re:PulseAudio works nicely in Fedora 8 (3, Insightful)

alexborges (313924) | more than 6 years ago | (#22276962)

Who ARE you? Bill Gates? Man, i thought I had heard everything when I looked at his old "Open Letter to Hobbyists", but you come even in this day and age.

If you dont want your software to be freely used and redistributed, DO NOT OPEN IT. Period. Canonical is doing what they can with what is available and has no obligation, either moral, ethical or legal, to do anything for or against the producers of the FOSS they use. About they not opening software of their own, in that very speciffic case, im right besides you: release, cannonical bastards, SLES did it for yast (although thankfully that didnt take off for the rest of the distros), redhat did it for the Netscape Directory and gfs (and that cost them a bundle) so yeah, play fair and dont use proprietary software.... or is this right?

For example, redhats RHN proxy/satellite stuff uses oracle as backing and is quite proprietary as far as i know. Novell hasnt released the code for their support portal either, is that ethically right or wrong?.... im not sure where you want to stand on this issues, but its getting more complicated to pass judgment on this stuff the more I think about it.

Now... im waiting to see if lightning strikes me. Your slashdot id gets you quite close to the very begining. I mean, you gotta be old in this game. I was about to cite the Open Source Definition but then again, maybe you're one of the authors or something and will retaliate to this strongly.... aw, hell, here it goes:

Dont you think your position goes against the spirit of the OS definition and the GPL?

Re:PulseAudio works nicely in Fedora 8 (1)

RiotingPacifist (1228016) | more than 6 years ago | (#22277128)

While i agree with what your saying theres a big difference between, canonical, who have done as close to zero as possible, yet slag off novell and RedHat who have been behind alot of core software.

As far as i can tell all canonical have done is throw some money at KDE and make some pretty meaninless software (stuff like envy and a few gui tools that they dont even bother giving to 1/2 the supported 'distros').

Re:PulseAudio works nicely in Fedora 8 (1)

RiotingPacifist (1228016) | more than 6 years ago | (#22277018)

Im a ubuntu user, but i completely agree! its shocking how much support a bunch of freeloaders can get, I get the impression that they get their fixes into Debian but that's about it. I get particularly pissed off when Shuttleworth slags off other distros like novell ( which gave him compiz, which was probably the biggest peak in Ununtu adoption ).

There community was thier strongest asset, but unfortunately either ive reach expert level in about 2 years or more likely the influx of new users has really reduced the effectiveness of the community to the point your more likely to get bad help than good help ( and that's if you even get bad help instead of being told to do something else )*.

The only good thing is thier marketing and ease of use, they do contribute users back to linux, i just hope that these user go on to more productive distros ( i intend to switch to gentoo (not a productive distro i know but im sure they contribute more than canonical) & maybe a RedHat/Novell distro, when i have the time )!

*here is a thread http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=684739 [ubuntuforums.org] , where i asked for something i know is possible i just need to get it right 1st time ( im more a 3rd/4th time guy when i try stuff ), i got told 1) it was imposible 2) to buy a piece of hardware!

Re:PulseAudio works nicely in Fedora 8 (1)

jmcnaught (915264) | more than 6 years ago | (#22277600)

I have a lot of respect for Debian, and I wish they would get much more time in the spotlight than they do. I use Debian on servers, but for desktops I use Ubuntu because it's easy and they do a good job. That might change though, because I'm getting tired of Gnome, want to switch back to KDE and Kubuntu just isn't polished to the same level as Ubuntu.

Back when Xandros was first released my father was really excited about it. It was the first GNU/Linux distro he'd managed to install and configure by himself, and he loved how easy everything was. I tried talking him out of using it because I didn't like how they wouldn't release the source to their file manager (XFM?) which I thought was counter to the spirit of Free Software even if it didn't break technically break the rules. 6 months later he got a Mac.

I don't really like how Canonical won't release the code to Launchpad, but I see it as a different situation because Launchpad isn't a core component of their distro. With Xandros, their file manager was proprietary. With Ubuntu, they use a proprietary portal for development and bug reporting for their distro but the entire distro itself is free and/or open source. Except for the restricted drivers, but I like how they implemented that by making it optional.

P.S. I looked at that thread on ubuntuforums.org and it definitely is laughable. I also replied to it with instructions on what I'd do. Good luck!

Re:PulseAudio works nicely in Fedora 8 (1)

DiLLeMaN (324946) | more than 6 years ago | (#22277774)

So you get your dad to use Linux (not sure about that, but that's how I read it), but you have such objections to the openness of a part of a distro that he enjoys, that you've effectively scared him into a closed system? I'm a Machead, so I rejoice with the new family member, but really, did that achieve what you wanted it to achieve? The Finder isn't exactly FOSS either, you know.

(Sure, mod me down. You know I'm right)

Re:PulseAudio works nicely in Fedora 8 (0, Flamebait)

Mahjub Sa'aden (1100387) | more than 6 years ago | (#22277104)

Can I be honest with you? You sound like a whiny bitch about Canonical. I don't know if you're angry your favourite distro isn't getting more press and users, or if Canonical sent someone to kill your dog, but this is what open source is. They complied with the license, but they don't have an extensive list of thank-yous to Fedora and whoever else in every press release they send out.

Canonical has, no matter how you may dislike it, taken Linux and made a distribution that quite a few people use and like. Which is a good thing. Whether or not they shake your hand and pat you on the back and rub salve all over your poor, damaged soul.

Re:PulseAudio works nicely in Fedora 8 (1)

tehBoris (1120961) | more than 6 years ago | (#22277118)

Well, I don't intend to be a Canonical apologist, but they do make some stuff... Bazaar and Storm (on top of which Launchpad sits) as well as upstart.

As for Launchpad... they have been saying it will be fully open source Real Soon Now(TM) for ages, and who knows if/when they'll release it —after all, they're not legally obliged to do so.

Re:PulseAudio works nicely in Fedora 8 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22277170)

How absolutely hypocritical is that?
seeing as you're suggesting that Ubuntu using code developed elsewhere under the gpl is "stealing" I think it's pretty hypocritical to moan about launchpad while at the same time getting pissed when gpled code is actually shared and used. in that case wtf is the point of gpling something if you don't want anyone else to make use of it????

Do Ubuntu developers do anything besides tweak color palettes and write bullshit press releases which fail to give credit to the actual producers of the softwate which they parasitize?
like I said before, even if they did do nothing more than aggregate software in one place, use sudo by default, a decent network setup [closed ports etc..] considering there is literally nothing preventing other distros from competing on the same level [the code is all free after all] it just seems like your post is nothing but flamebait.

Re:PulseAudio works nicely in Fedora 8 (1)

Matt Perry (793115) | more than 6 years ago | (#22277180)

My objection is that it's verging on the dishonest and that seems to permeate much of the enthusiasm behind Ubuntu.
Get over yourself already. It's not like Ubuntu developers are removing credits or the "About" menu item from programs. I haven't seen a free-software or open-source license that says one must trumpet the names of developers. Have you?

Re:PulseAudio works nicely in Fedora 8 (1)

Enrique1218 (603187) | more than 6 years ago | (#22277184)

There is nothing in the GPL that say by using one piece of open source software requires a company to release all its software under GPL. GPL allows software developers to create and maintain for a much smaller monetary investment than would otherwise be needed. By Canonical integrating Policy Kit, aptitude, Nautilus,etc. into Ubuntu, Canonical is actually helping the original developers even if they don't contribute any code back. Investment in open source projects is directly related to how widespread it is used. The non-trivial of taking a program from redhat based distro and bring it to a debian-derived distro increases its userbase. Ubuntu definitely helps the Debian project by making the distribution easy to install and used. I don't think Dell and others would have ever considered Debian without the efforts of Canonical. The door swings both ways.

Re:PulseAudio works nicely in Fedora 8 (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22277202)

Do Ubuntu developers do anything besides tweak color palettes

I sure hope so.

16.7 million colours to choose from and they choose the exact shade of shit.

Marketing (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22277310)

In addition to Canonical actually contributing to many projects and thus having legitimate claim to some hooray, the fact is that Ubuntu's marketing demonstrations are a very valuable contribution, in and of themselves, to all the other Linux distributions which have much to learn in that area.

Re:PulseAudio works nicely in Fedora 8 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22277560)

I agree with you 100%. I mean who the hell does Canonical think they are, Apple?

Re:PulseAudio works nicely in Fedora 8 (1)

webmaster404 (1148909) | more than 6 years ago | (#22277654)

You totally miss the point of distros. A distro is just the Linux kernel (or BSD if its BSD or Hurd if it is GNU Hurd, ETC) and a collection of software packages. Ubuntu doesn't offer anything really more then Debian your right, however it seems to have one thing that no other distro has and that is ease and customization. For example, Gentoo is very customizable, on the other hand, it can be downright scary if you are new to Linux or computers in general, Ubuntu has an easy-to-use GUI and a graphical install program. The biggest thing though for Ubuntu is hardware detection, for me if my wireless card works or not determines whether or not I have a connection as I don't have close to an easy wired connection, if a distro such as Debian that might be "better" then Ubuntu doesn't detect my wireless card what advantage is that to switch over to Linux when XP works fine? It doesn't help that unless I have a connection I cannot just apt-get *insert package here* to fix my problems nor can I easily post for help, it is truly a make-or-break situation. I like my code to be open-source and free-software, that is one of the main reasons I switched to Linux, however freedom doesn't come before functionality when that functionality is non-trivial, Ubuntu recognizes this and provides restricted drivers that (although it might not be coming from Ubuntu and probably some other developer came up with it) can make the distro easy to use to set up and get going. Also, even though in press releases they don't give credit to everyone (I have yet to see a company that says "yes we made it but *insert software here* did *insert what the software did here*") but their branding is rather slim, about the only noticeable change (to the end-user) from standard Gnome/Debian and Gnome/Ubuntu is that the foot of the Gnome desktop is replaced by a small Ubuntu logo and in a generation that thinks that the GUI==The OS it is necessary to avoid confusion with people thinking that Gnome==Linux==Ubuntu. Really even though Launchpad is proprietary system currently parts of it are open-sourced and I think that after a few code cleanups it will all be released as free software. Overall I think you criticize Ubuntu for being a distribution, something that Debian and Gentoo also are however your criticism is based on how because Ubuntu takes all the packages and unifies them that makes it a bad distro. Ubuntu fills a much needed gap, an easy to use Linux OS that will work with your hardware regardless something that Gentoo and Debian can't exactly claim.

Re:PulseAudio works nicely in Fedora 8 (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22277044)

who gives a fuck? it's all faggot shit. fucking loser faggots. all of it for faggots. just go take a look at sourceforges stock and you'll see that the civilized world will have nothing to do with faggots. fucking faggots should get aids and rot and die.

Re:PulseAudio works nicely in Fedora 8 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22277102)

It's not that the beauty of open source? Why shouldn't they use it if Novell, Debian or Red Hat have delevoped it?

Re:PulseAudio works nicely in Fedora 8 (1)

andersa (687550) | more than 6 years ago | (#22277198)

Never heard of it before.. Audio framework of the week, as far as I am concerned. Next up? Phonon?

Re:PulseAudio works nicely in Fedora 8 (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22277378)

Just what we need - yet *another* half-baked sound server. Just when they finally get Alsa working correctly, too. It is promised to be so much better than anything that came before it. Just like all the others.

Instead of fawning over the newest shiniest alpha/beta code, how about getting CORE FUNCTIONALITY working? Like PCMCIA serial cards - cardbus interrupt routing was lost somewhere during the endless tweaking of kernel 2.6.xx. Or how about reliable suspend/hibernate for laptops? Will that *ever* happen?

It works this week - it doesn't work next week. Sooner or later this issue is going to dampen enthusiasm for Linux.

Yet to be impressed (3, Interesting)

bogaboga (793279) | more than 6 years ago | (#22276644)

I am yet to be impressed because I cannot copy an Internet URL, paste it in a native GNOME application and have the application in question open the link. If the link points to a PDF document, some error is returned, even with the default PDF application installed. The only way out of this misery is to save the document onto the hard-disk. This is an non-starter GNOME folks, something MUST be done.

Re:Yet to be impressed (0, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22276692)

It's because Gnome is garbage. If you know anything at all about software, just try reading some of the code in the core libs *shudder*

Re:Yet to be impressed (1)

Spokehedz (599285) | more than 6 years ago | (#22277062)

Why not just click on the link?

Seriously. I would like to know, how copy&paste is faster/better than just clicking on the link.

Re:Yet to be impressed (-1, Offtopic)

bogaboga (793279) | more than 6 years ago | (#22277178)

Clicking on the link will not help either! You will be prompted to save the file...what I'd like to happen is for GNOME to call the appropriate application and have the application open the link. This does not happen.

Re:Yet to be impressed (3, Informative)

mike_sucks (55259) | more than 6 years ago | (#22277394)

Check your facts, it has been doing this for years.

I click on a PDF link in Epiphany and it downloads the PDF and opens it in Evince (or whatever is registered as the primary PDF handler). If the website annoyingly opens a new window to show the PDF in (as if you have the plugin installed), Epy even helpfully closes the empty window for you.

This works for all registered content types, not just PDFs. If on some occasions it does not work, it is because the server is misconfigured and is sending the wrong MIME content type. /Mike

Impressed by stupidity? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22277090)

If you need to read a web page, why not open a web browser and load the url? If you need to read a PDF file, why not start a PDF viewer and load it up? Instead, people like you demand to have all functionality available from every application, wasting not only resources, but also developer time duplicating functionality.

The only thing that MUST be done is to untrain simpletons who think the Windows way of doing things is the best way.

Re:Impressed by stupidity? (1)

bogaboga (793279) | more than 6 years ago | (#22277222)

If you need to read a PDF file, why not start a PDF viewer and load it up?

GNOME does not know how to handle this! If you knew what you were talking about, you'd have asked the question: "If you need to read a PDF file, why not save the PDF file, start a PDF viewer and load it up?"

It's people like you who are contributing to GNOMES apparent playing catchup to other desktop environments.

Re:Yet to be impressed (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22277182)

I am yet to be impressed because sftp STILL doesn't have an ASCII transfer mode, unlike the ftp it replaces. What is the deal with this? What would it take, like 10 lines of extra code? Everyone complains about it (google sftp and ascii) and wastes time with workarounds, but after years and years nothing is done.

Re:Yet to be impressed (0)

bogaboga (793279) | more than 6 years ago | (#22277246)

Welcome to GNOME's way of doing things! Remember they are after total customer/user satisfaction.

Re:Yet to be impressed (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22277286)

Something should have been done to fix the completely broken ncpfs that rolled out in 7.0.4. It was completely broken in the release of 7.10 and remains broke as fuck to this day. And by broke as fuck I mean you can't mount ncp volumes. This has been documented and bug reported to Mars but they won't commit fixes, the bastards.

Re:Yet to be impressed (4, Funny)

pizzach (1011925) | more than 6 years ago | (#22277402)

Oh! Oh! Oh! This in the gnome complaints thread isn't it!? Hey Gnome, why don't you do something about the foot? It stinks! No, I mean literally dammit!

I did good, didn't I?

Re:Yet to be impressed (1)

nurb432 (527695) | more than 6 years ago | (#22277472)

Not to start a flame war, but i can do that in KDE just fine. I would imagine GNOME can too, and perhaps your configuration is hosed?

Re:Yet to be impressed (1)

orra (1039354) | more than 6 years ago | (#22277840)

I presume you're talking about GNOME 2.21.x. Because it certainly works for me in 2.20.

Obviously, the GIO transition can mess things up. But according to the Evince changelog, as of version 2.21.90 it has been ported to GIO. So if you're running the latest release, then maybe you need to file a bug report.

Do you have the gvfs-backends package installed? In case you don't know, GIO is the input/output API. On its own, GIO only supports normal files. But with GVFS (the virtual file system), loadable backends can be loaded to provide GIO users "protocols" like trash, smb and http.

Hardy Heron (-1, Offtopic)

4D6963 (933028) | more than 6 years ago | (#22276646)

Hairy Hardon.

Sorry, that's probably not original at all, but I couldn't resist..

Worst.. name.. ever (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22276654)

Whenever "Hardy Heron" I immediatly think "Happy Harry Hard-on", so.. like, Rock On!

An ALPHA release? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22276664)

Who gives a shit.

Re:An ALPHA release? (1)

Rik Sweeney (471717) | more than 6 years ago | (#22276812)

I do actually. It may be only be an alpha release but it shows what we can look forward to look for in the next release of Kubuntu.

Actually on second thoughts I've just checked the article and it's only about Gnome, there's not once mention about KDE in it at all.

So yes, who gives a shit :)

Re:An ALPHA release? (1)

ricegf (1059658) | more than 6 years ago | (#22277096)

I've just checked the article and it's only about Gnome

Rather oddly, the Kubuntu Alpha 4 site [kubuntu.org] talks only about Gnome applications as well. Go figure.

Re:An ALPHA release? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22277226)

That would be because the Kubuntu wiki uses the same data as the Ubuntu one; it's just a different theme.

Who cares? (3, Insightful)

snarfies (115214) | more than 6 years ago | (#22276672)

Call me back when you have at least a beta. Even then I wouldn't think that front-page worthy. Save that for the final release.

Re:Who cares? (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22276848)

Why would we? What makes you think we give a damn if you know or not?

Congratulations! (5, Interesting)

BeeBeard (999187) | more than 6 years ago | (#22276722)

Big congratulations goes to the Ubuntu team for sticking to their release schedules, and getting their fairly solid alphas and betas out there for users to bang on well in advance. Like many others, I thought that Ubuntu Linux was just another flavor-of-the-month distribution, but the tenacity, reliability, and graciousness of the Ubuntu community has proved us all wrong.

-A Longtime Gentoo User

Re:Congratulations! (-1, Flamebait)

Linegod (9952) | more than 6 years ago | (#22276978)

Still haven't proven me wrong. Wake me up when the disappearance of this distro would have even close to the same impact as the disappearance of RedHat.

And don't forget to tag all Ubuntu articles as 'ubuntusucks', it's fun!

Re:Congratulations! (2, Interesting)

ajayrockrock (110281) | more than 6 years ago | (#22277136)

Yes, I'm a longtime gentoo user too and have recently switched my desktop (home) and workstation (office) to Ubuntu.

It's not to say that Ubuntu is better then Gentoo or anything else. It's just that I think my day to day goals have changed. Where as before I had more time to tinker and play, Gentoo was so much fun. But now I've switched jobs and life is getting in the way, I need to get "work" done and pass on the tinkering.

After switching to Ubuntu, it's nice to just have little things "work". Not like a Mac, but better then Gentoo. Opening attachments in thunderbird prompt the *right* app. yes, I know I can fix it by opening up some files and preferences but it's all done without me having to mess with it.

Ubuntu allows me to get work done on linux, Gentoo forced me to work on linux.

--Ajay

Re:Congratulations? (1)

arse maker (1058608) | more than 6 years ago | (#22277330)

What does hitting release dates matter anyhow? Why does the entire industry seem to harp on about them. They are estimates, its not a cure for cancer, it doesnt matter when it comes out. The only people who should really care are shareholders of public companies or if contracts are in place. To base hitting guessing dates for releases as a sign of quality makes no sense to me. The quality of the product should be the sign of the quality. You can be the most on time peice of shit ever made, that doesn't mean much. Sure you can argue that missing dates indicates people are poorly managing the project and that will reflect on the quality of work. However, anyone who has worked in development should know that you can just as easily have poor software being made on time. Everyone hates to wait for something we are looking forward to, or click our tounges when a company we dont like slips on dates, but can't we stop this obsession with release dates and judge a product on how it works?

Re:Congratulations! (1)

caluml (551744) | more than 6 years ago | (#22277496)

Like many others, I thought that Ubuntu Linux was just another flavor-of-the-month distribution, but the tenacity, reliability, and graciousness of the Ubuntu community has proved us all wrong.
Or maybe, it's just the billionaire who runs Ubuntu.

nautilus is undergoing big changes (3, Informative)

sayfawa (1099071) | more than 6 years ago | (#22276866)

The warning to not use alpha releases on production machines is a bit more severe this time. So watch out.

Snipped from the release notes:
Nautilus can behave erratically, especially in trash operations. Refrain from operating on valuable files with this version. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/185756 [launchpad.net]

Re:nautilus is undergoing big changes (1)

harry666t (1062422) | more than 6 years ago | (#22277390)

I hate it when I go for funny and get insightful. I'm not insightful.
+3, Insightful

Queued file operations -- finally?! (5, Insightful)

eddy (18759) | more than 6 years ago | (#22276936)

In particular, Nautilus will now queue up long file transfer operations and display them in a single window rather than spawning a separate window for each file transfer operation.

Please tell me this means that file operations will actually queue to be run in sequence, saving us from disk and cache trashing slowing things down? With "run", "pause", "cancel" on each individual transfer? Pretty please?

Re:Queued file operations -- finally?! (1)

eddy (18759) | more than 6 years ago | (#22276988)

QTFA:

I'm looking forward to [...] support for pausing file transfers that we should get when GIO is more mature.

Promises, promises.

Re:Queued file operations -- finally?! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22277068)

I was just thinking that, too. It needs more control and information features about each transfer, similar to the Downloads manager in Firefox, or the Firefox downloading extension, DownThemAll.

Someone tell me please... (1, Informative)

AuraOfDeath (895466) | more than 6 years ago | (#22276940)

how the hell is this newsworthy? Shouldn't this be off on Distrowatch, or some other relevant website? Goody *buntu is releasing another alpha that will bork my machine... It's Front page news... I mean Congrats for their dev team... but honestly this doesn't belong on slashdot Let alone making it THROUGH the firehose.

What about KDE integration? (2, Interesting)

Billly Gates (198444) | more than 6 years ago | (#22276944)

I love the integration and simplicity of the gnome interface on Ubuntu and have turned into a gnome user over the years when I run Linux.

However with the fiasco with Suse, Micorosoft, patents, .NET, and Miguel supporting ooxml over ODF I am begining to feel uncomfortable running Gnome and wonder about ulterior motives. Doesn't Miguel work for SuSE? Didn't SuSE just cripple their own Samba version in order to sell more copies of Windows as an AD controller?

Kde 4.0 supposed to be a rapid improvement and Kubuntu is supposed to be alot more polished and integrated as Ubuntu according to comnpany officials as planned by Hardy. I wonder if this is going to be the case?

I want a choice of Gnome but still have everything just work well. I found KDE in ubuntu to be not integrated and rather a poor implementation compared to the polished version of Gnome.

Also Dbus is not friendly on laptops as the event model prevents many models from going to a power saving mode wasting battery power. I wonder if this has been resolved.

Re:What about KDE integration? (1)

Breakfast Pants (323698) | more than 6 years ago | (#22277108)

>Also Dbus is not friendly on laptops as the event model prevents many models from going to a power saving mode wasting battery power. I wonder if this has been resolved.

I can't find any mention of that anywhere; care to expand on this?

Re:What about KDE integration? (4, Insightful)

ricegf (1059658) | more than 6 years ago | (#22277240)

Kde 4.0 supposed to be a rapid improvement and Kubuntu is supposed to be alot more polished and integrated

Actually, KDE 4.0 is more of a beta quality [kde.org] release (like Mac OS/X 10.0 or pre-SP1 Vista) - it's 4.1 or so that'll really be ready for daily use by normal users. Unfortunately, Hardy falls at an awkward time with respect to 4.0 (or vice versa) - 4.0 isn't ready for long term support, but 3.5 isn't likely to be relevant for 3 long years. As a result, while Ubuntu 8.04 will be a Long Term Support (LTS) release, Kubuntu 8.04 will not be [kubuntu.org] .

I agree with your opinion of Gnome (I use it myself), and with your assessment of KDE 4 (I look forward to trying it out - looks great so far!). And I'm very suspicious that Mono contains Microsoft-patented technology, and believe free software developers should avoid it until the title is clear. But that's just my $0.02 worth (and it seems to be worth less every day...) I don't believe any critical part of Gnome is dependent on Mono, however.

Getting tired of Ubuntu (0, Flamebait)

geek (5680) | more than 6 years ago | (#22277168)

3 version ago Ubuntu worked flawlessly on my laptop. Lacked some features etc but it worked. Now with 7.10 wireless is flakey, video craps out all the time and I can't suspend or hibernate without it crashing on resume. This is the only distro I have ever seen that gets worse in terms of stability with each release. Fedora on the other hand works brilliantly except that wireless on Fedora is a nightmare. I just don't see why people can't combine resources to make stuff work and once it works, don't freaking break it afterwards.

Re:Getting tired of Ubuntu (2, Informative)

ricegf (1059658) | more than 6 years ago | (#22277298)

This is the only distro I have ever seen that gets worse in terms of stability with each release.

I understand why that would frustrate you. My experiences were mixed - it's as stable as always on my desktop with Compiz disabled, but crashes about once a week with Compiz enabled. I enable it anyway - there's just something about people's reaction the first time I close a window and it burns up that makes me more tolerant. :-)

On the other hand, 7.10 is the first version that worked perfectly on my laptop with no tweaking (unless you count clicking on the network control and selecting my local network from the drop-down list). It was literally easier than setting up my daughter's new Vista-based laptop - and Vista was pre-installed. Go figure.

Re:Getting tired of Ubuntu (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22277316)

Have you filed (and followed up on) bugs? Just complaining on Slashdot that it doesn't work on your specific hardware (without even saying what it is, I must add) isn't going to help.

X-Fi Support? (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22277236)

Does it support Creative's X-Fi on the 64-Bit version of Hardy Heron? After all, a 64-bit driver is in beta testing [creative.com] right now.

Anyone try the latest totem? (1)

Sark666 (756464) | more than 6 years ago | (#22277454)

I read totem in the next gnome has the ability to act as a mythtv frontend. It mentioned watching recordings and even live tv. I'm wondering how it works exactly. Does one see the full gui?

LTS (1)

brunoacf (1186539) | more than 6 years ago | (#22277540)

A very important thing to say is that it comes with LTS: "Ubuntu 8.04 will be the second long-term support (LTS) release, which means that it will be supported on the desktop for three years and on the server for five years." Awesome for those who want a stable environment and don't like to dist-upgrade frequently.

Maybe they'll fix the broken releases? (1)

Vellmont (569020) | more than 6 years ago | (#22277854)

I've seen Ubuntu break itself to an unbootable state three separate times on three different systems. I've never seen that on any distribution. I still use it.. but much more of this and I'll be looking elsewhere.

Also, the latest release seems to have broken wireless, at least for the Intel IPW 3945 chipset in my laptop. I had to downgrade to 7.04, and all is well again.
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