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The Physics of Football

Soulskill posted more than 6 years ago | from the mass-times-acceleration-equals-pain dept.

Real Time Strategy (Games) 163

Ponca City, We Love You writes "There will be a program on applied physics and real time strategy that you might want to watch on television today. Conservation of momentum during elastic and inelastic collisions is one aspect on which to focus as players tackle their opponents. It is of critical importance that the Patriots bring down New York's huge and powerful running back, 6-foot-4, 265-pound Brandon Jacobs. An average-size NFL defensive back's mass combined with his speed — on average, 4.56 seconds for the 40-yard dash — can produce up to 1600 pounds of tackling force. A tackle with half a ton of force may sound like a crippling blow, but the body can handle twice that amount because the player's equipment spreads out the incoming energy, lessening its severity." Nanotech specialists from Cornell have developed their own take on the "physics" of the Super Bowl by creating the world's smallest trophy, which will be awarded today to a contestant who best explains an aspect of football physics. Just some food for thought while you watch the game on your brand new HD television, though you'd better not be watching it in a church.

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football (0, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22282626)

I didn't even know thay you play football in USA.... Oh, you mean american football. I pity you :)

Re:football (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22284630)

Yes, its better referred to with the transatlantic portmanteau "fagrugby"

For those who are interested.. (5, Informative)

run4power (1205632) | more than 6 years ago | (#22282642)

For those who want to view the submissions, all submissions are uploaded to youtube with the tag "nanobowl".

Wrong title (2, Informative)

Affenkopf (949241) | more than 6 years ago | (#22282660)

As an European I'd like to point out that the article is not about football but about some strange American sport where the foot isn't even used (or at least not that often,I have no idea to be honest).

Re:Wrong title (4, Informative)

sayfawa (1099071) | more than 6 years ago | (#22282750)

I'd like to point out that this blog is written in American (yes, American, not USian) English. A dialect distinct from the English you may be used to. And in this language football is, in fact, the name of the current subject. Complaining that we use the "wrong" words for things is as silly as complaining that the Spaniards say "juegos" instead of "games". It's a different language. Get over it.

Re:Wrong title (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22282970)

I'd like to point out that slashdot is also American. This is why we have things like the "American Politics" section.

Re:Wrong title (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22283056)

Los españoles y los hispanos también llamamos fútbol al fútbol, y al rugby americano lo llamamos bazofia. Perdonad que no os hable en vuestro idioma de mierda, es que creo que deberíais dejar de creeros el ombligo del mundo, y aprender a jugar al fútbol porque vuestra selección es lamentable.

Re:Wrong title (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22283266)

Shut up, sudaca scum.

Re:Wrong title (2, Insightful)

PietjeJantje (917584) | more than 6 years ago | (#22283252)

That's true. Regarding Slashdot, if your target audience is national, "football" is ok..on the other hand if your target audience is international use "American Football", unless you want to communicate you're ignorant of the biggest sport on earth named with the same sequence of letters, and serve your percentage of international viewers a title which means something different to them.

Re:Wrong title (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22283316)

I know! It's so hard to consider context! I need to be spoonfed my stories!

Re:Wrong title (1)

BgJonson79 (129962) | more than 6 years ago | (#22283432)

Football is the most popular sport in the world, yes, but popularity != best. For example, GWB was the most popular guy in 2004 and I wouldn'd say we've had four banner years... would you?

Re:Wrong title (1)

Cederic (9623) | more than 6 years ago | (#22283910)


Going to the world as a whole, no, I strongly suspect GWB was not the most popular guy in 2004.

Re:Wrong title (1)

Idiomatik (1228742) | more than 6 years ago | (#22284476)

Not even in the states was he the most popular. The american idol girl got 70million votes and GWB only got 60~. And from a global perspective GWB is vehemently hated and no1 has heard of the american idol people. And Oprah gets more viewers than GWB's adress the nation speeches. Infact i'm sure more people have seen 2girls1cup than GWBs speeches....

Re:Wrong title (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22283278)

You use the language of the retard. Just take another one and change a word or two. The call it "American english". What a laugh.

Re:Wrong title (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22284370)

If you can't even tell a language and a dialect apart (and you obviously can't, given that you refer to US-American English as both), you really shouldn't talk about linguistics. Shut your trap and don't embarass yourself.

Re:Wrong title (1)

finiteSet (834891) | more than 6 years ago | (#22284724)

If you can't even tell a language and a dialect apart .... you really shouldn't talk about linguistics. Shut your trap and don't embarass yourself.
While it is pretty cut-and-dry for British-vs-American English, the distinction is not always non-controversial. Usually there are political motivations for clouding the distinction, e.g. various "dialects" of Chinese that are mutually unintelligible, or the various Scandinavian "languages" that are to different degrees mutually intelligible (I could go on). Some linguists prefer the term "variety" to avoid the whole dialect-language controversy altogether.

Re:Wrong title (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22285278)

yeah right, and next you'll be telling us that basketball's a sport as well.

The french word for Soccer by the way is ... Football, and the spanish word for the juego you call soccer is ... futbol, and the German word for soccer is ... Fussball - from the words Fuss, meaning foot, and ball, meaning ball.

The English name for what you call football is "Long drawn out boring thing, a bit like rugby but with lots of padding to stop it hurting, with loads of commercial breaks every two seconds, that only gets played in America, unless they give free tickets out and promise to relay the pitch at their own expense"

Soccer is what you play with your mates in the street, and table soccer is what you call foosball.

Re:Wrong title (1, Troll)

Ang31us (1132361) | more than 6 years ago | (#22282754)

Hahaha...that's hilarious! New Yorker here (my Giants are playing today)...they kick the ball to open the game (kickoff), after a 6-point score (1 more point after the touchdown), after every score (kickoff), to push the other team back after 3 consecutive failed attempts to advance 10 yards (punt), or to score 3 points if they are within 50 yards of the uprights (field goal).

I'm happy to call it American football if you're okay to call soccer European or world football.

Re:Wrong title (5, Informative)

UnxMully (805504) | more than 6 years ago | (#22283106)

I'm happy to call it American football if you're okay to call soccer European or world football.

Feel free. Though I should point out that Soccer is a contraction of Association Football, there's a good article here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Football_(soccer)#History_and_development [wikipedia.org], and predates American Football by some time - the first rules being codified in the 1850s. The less charitable among us followers of more robust codes tend to call it Wendyball or poofball, mainly because of all the falling over, rolling about and crying that goes on.

Then there's Rugby Union (football), which dates from around the same time, and the bastard child Rugby League, aka the thickhead crashball game. Not to mention a whole host of other games including a number of forms played in Ireland (Gaelic) which have been played for close to 700 years.

Compared to all of these games, American Football can be considered something of a johny-come-lately.

So call it Football if you want, but the rest of the world differentiates different styles of football even if you're not aware of their existence.

Re:Wrong title (1)

heinousjay (683506) | more than 6 years ago | (#22283550)

Compared to all the people living to today, American football is older. So age is actually nothing meaningful at all in this context.

Of course, I don't get a hard on for knowing something happened a long time ago, and never understood why anybody would, so maybe I'm wrong - but I doubt anyone could give me a factual reason that I am.

Re:Wrong title (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22284886)

That's a poor excuse for forgetting how to play rugby properly.

Re:Wrong title (1, Flamebait)

Oktober Sunset (838224) | more than 6 years ago | (#22283178)

Wow, it like touches someone feet like a 20 times a game, as opposed to about 20 times in 20 seconds. Also, no-one is using a stupid name like European Football, because unlike the US we are a little more inventive with our sports (as opposed to the only sports invented in the US; rugby with big pads (cos your too girly), netball (girls game) with bouncing and rounders (another girls game) with a big bat, total originality; zero) and there are loads of different types of football here, Association Football is just one of several.

Re:Wrong title (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22284282)

netball (girls game) with bouncing...
Hey! Americans didn't invent basketball, a Canadian did (James Naismith).

But we canucks didn't really think much of it, and we went back to playing hockey.

Re:Wrong title (2, Funny)

carpe_noctem (457178) | more than 6 years ago | (#22282876)

Yes, but the ball itself somewhat resembles a foot. So by using those terms, it's not the Europeans who are backwards!

Re:Wrong title (5, Funny)

RobBebop (947356) | more than 6 years ago | (#22282946)

Yes, but the ball itself somewhat resembles a foot

If this [antiqueathlete.com] is what your foot looks like, sir, then I suggest you seek the help of a professional foot doctor. Your egg-feet will scare the children.

Re:Wrong title (0, Troll)

interstellar_donkey (200782) | more than 6 years ago | (#22282878)

I find it amusing that the rest of the world sucks up as much American culture as possible, from our music, movies and television shows to going in droves to our crappy McDonald's that are popping up all over the world (hint: McDonald's sucks. Stop going).

But then they get all prissy when we call football football. We call your football soccer, but we call our football football. It's the way we do things over here. If you don't like the names we use for sport, fine. But don't get all in a huff over it.

Re:Wrong title (0, Offtopic)

octopus72 (936841) | more than 6 years ago | (#22283032)

Well your movies, television (and some genres of music) is mostly crap. I can't digest almost anything coming outside of US lately, it's all been going down in quality, idea and performance in last two decades. Unfortunately that kind of media production also seems to be catching up in Europe, so you aren't alone.

While quality stuff seems to be unprofitable. Unfortunately, the 'fun' factor seems to be oveestimated these days, at expense of realism and a good story.

While regarding football, it's just the usual american pride: "We aren't best at it and we don't run that business, so we don't pay much attention to it".

Re:Wrong title (0, Flamebait)

RiotingPacifist (1228016) | more than 6 years ago | (#22283166)

yeah its sad that we take so much crap from you: fast food, crappy clothes (nike), stupid cars (hummers), leadership (we should have voted Blair out a long time ago), economic crises (northen rock), software (m$), music (why o why would we by 50c records), movies (indie movies like pans labyrinth are much better), etc
The only thing we dont really care for tbh is the trivial stuff like your sports,
we play 'soccer'( not just England but pretty much every country calls it football), you suck at it
we play rugby, you play 'football'
we play cricket, you play baseball
we do Forumla1, you do nascar
you play ice hockey, but the canadians beat you anyway :P
Ill give you basketball tho, that seams to be popular.

but a nice way to make sure everybody knows what you mean is to use American football and soccer.

Re:Wrong title (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22285060)

I like the way you say "American culture" and then list music, movies, tv, McDonalds and NFL as examples of it... Well done for putting the 'moron' back into 'oxymoron'.

Re:Wrong title (2, Insightful)

KeensMustard (655606) | more than 6 years ago | (#22285406)

Have you been in a coma for 40 years? If so, that would explain your basic lack of understanding of the world you live in and share with others.

I find it amusing that the rest of the world sucks up as much American culture as possible, from our music,
In my CD stacker: Coldplay, Dire Straits, Bjork, REM, Midnight Oil, Crowded House. I think maybe REM is American.

movies
Curious thing. I checked my DVD collection. Maybe 1/3 American. 1/3 not. 1/3 a mix of American and others. Much of what is ostensibly American, turns out to be a mix of a number of cultural influences and participation.

and television shows
Couldn't really get a representative sample because I don't watch much TV (although Top Gear is a must watch, along with Mythbusters).

to going in droves to our crappy McDonald's that are popping up all over the world (hint: McDonald's sucks. Stop going).
Actually I quite enjoy an occasional visit to McDonalds - I like the thai chicken wrap if it is lunchtime and the espresso is passing grade (good considering how much training the barrista must get) if it is just a short break. Like most people I generally end up at McDonalds because they have outlets on the roads I travel. Notably McDonalds tries to approximate the foods we like to eat - we influence McDonalds, McDonalds doesn't influence us. Hardly the burgeoning frontier of American culture.

But then they get all prissy when we call football football. We call your football soccer, but we call our football football. It's the way we do things over here. If you don't like the names we use for sport, fine. But don't get all in a huff over it.
But "we" in this case is the audience and members of /. And We call any number of games football, just like We mostly use metric and not the exaggerated length of the foot of King James II as a unit of measure. For reasons of clarity then, it is necessary to qualify the language used to suit the international audience on this site.

Re:Wrong title (2, Interesting)

drewmoney (1133487) | more than 6 years ago | (#22282910)

20 out of the top 21 leading point makers of the regular 2007 season are kickers. Guess how they put points on the board.....yeah, they kick the ball. NFL Scoring Stats [nfl.com]

Re:Wrong title (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22282954)

As an American I'd like to point out how hilarious it is when stuffy Europeans get their panties in a bunch over how we improved their language to suit our needs.

Re:Wrong title (3, Funny)

KDR_11k (778916) | more than 6 years ago | (#22285376)

I'd also like to shout out to Microsoft for improving HTML to suit their needs...

Re:Wrong title (3, Interesting)

Blitz22 (1122015) | more than 6 years ago | (#22283002)

The term "football" probably comes from the fact that the sport is played "on foot" as opposed to on horseback. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Football/ [wikipedia.org] So yeah, it IS about football.

Re:Wrong title (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22283920)

The term "football" probably comes from the fact that the sport is played "on foot" as opposed to on horseback.

Yeah, its true - horse [urbandictionary.com] is about the only thing they're not on.

Re:Wrong title (1)

BgJonson79 (129962) | more than 6 years ago | (#22283396)

So if you have no idea, why are you complaining about something in which you've confessed you know very little about?

Re:Wrong title (4, Informative)

WhatAmIDoingHere (742870) | more than 6 years ago | (#22283542)

http://slashdot.org/faq/editorial.shtml#ed850 [slashdot.org]
Slashdot seems to be very U.S.-centric. Do you have any plans to be more international in your scope?

Slashdot is U.S.-centric. We readily admit this, and really don't see it as a problem. Slashdot is run by Americans, after all, and the vast majority of our readership is in the U.S. We're certainly not opposed to doing more international stories, but we don't have any formal plans for making that happen. All we can really tell you is that if you're outside the U.S. and you have news, submit it, and if it looks interesting, we'll post it.

Re:Wrong title (1)

Shetan (20885) | more than 6 years ago | (#22284534)

The strange American sport evolved from Rugby Football, in which the foot isn't used that often either. The name didn't make sense long before the colonists customized it.

Re:Wrong title (1)

afabbro (33948) | more than 6 years ago | (#22284706)

I have no idea to be honest

Thanks for stopping by to share this insightful commentary.

Re:Wrong title (1)

SilentBob0727 (974090) | more than 6 years ago | (#22284882)

Whereas you guys say lift, loo, and colour instead of elevator, bathroom, and color, and yet *somehow* we still get the gist of what you're trying to say.

English is a pretty widespread language, and regional/generational variance in any language is completely normal -- that's how languages evolve. There's no "right" version of English, but they don't teach you that until college (that's right, screw you, Junior High English teachers!!).

Brandon Jacobs trucks Charles Woodson (1)

Ang31us (1132361) | more than 6 years ago | (#22282670)

While we're on the topic, check out the clip of Brandon Jacobs opening up a can on whup-ass [youtube.com] in the first play of the game two weeks ago in Green Bay. Note 265 lbs of running-back muscle flattens the tiny little corner-back. :-)

Re:Brandon Jacobs trucks Charles Woodson (1)

AndGodSed (968378) | more than 6 years ago | (#22283562)

I still wonder why people still play rugby without the aids NFL athletes have...

Re:Brandon Jacobs trucks Charles Woodson (1)

KDR_11k (778916) | more than 6 years ago | (#22285392)

Cause HIV isn't very helpful for getting some cheerleader ass?

Why bother with physics when you can just cheat? (0, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22282688)

Why bother with physics when you can just cheat?

Seriously, what happened with that? The NFL confiscates a bunch of tapes from the Patriots, then destroys them without any comment. Just how much of an advantage did the Patriots get? How much of their undefeated streak is due to ongoing cheating? Why won't anybody in the MSM cover these stories?!

Go Giants, go fair play!

Re:Why bother with physics when you can just cheat (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22282962)

Because no one cares, except people who like to pretend that football has some kind of significance beyond just being gladiator-style entertainment.

Re:Why bother with physics when you can just cheat (-1, Troll)

RobBebop (947356) | more than 6 years ago | (#22283062)

The NFL confiscates a bunch of tapes from the Patriots, then destroys them without any comment. Just how much of an advantage did the Patriots get?

The Patriots had broken a rule that had recently been explicitly laid out by the league. (See article [nydailynews.com]).

Matt Estrella, 26, a Patriots video assistant, was nabbed just before halftime of the Jets' 38-14 loss on opening day. He allegedly videotaped hand signals from the Jets' defensive coaches on the sideline, defying an edict from [NFL Commissioner] Goodell, who warned teams before the season that he wouldn't tolerate cheating. Several teams have suspected the Patriots of stealing signs. So did the Jets, thanks to Mangini.

I hesitate to say that they have used illegal means to obtain signs throughout the season, but getting caught during a single game is enough for me to tack on the Barry-Bonds-style patented asterisk (*) onto their Perfect Season*. And c'mon... did they REALLY need to cheat against the Jets? The 4-12 Jets? You would think that wiser head couches would save their cheating for games against stronger teams.

Re:Why bother with physics when you can just cheat (1)

Ang31us (1132361) | more than 6 years ago | (#22283112)

Of course, the Patriots won't need an asterisk if the Giants somehow pull off the un-thinkable this evening.

Re:Why bother with physics when you can just cheat (2, Informative)

Reverberant (303566) | more than 6 years ago | (#22283354)

The Patriots had broken a rule that had recently been explicitly laid out by the league. (See article [nydailynews.com]).

Pats fan here. Yes, the Patriots broke the rules and were punished for it, but let's put this into perspective:

  1. It's not against NFL rules to steal signs
  2. It's not against NFL rules to steal signs using video cameras
  3. It is against NFL rules for clubs to use video-recording equipment outside certain designated areas [fannation.com] during games.

The Pats got in trouble for #3, not #1 & 2.

Of course #3 apparently contradicts league guidance on shooting from end zone positions [boston.com] ("but there are no restrictions on shooting from both upper end zone positions as long as the opportunity is provided to both teams") which apparently means there is some room for interpretation.

And c'mon... did they REALLY need to cheat against the Jets? The 4-12 Jets? You would think that wiser head couches would save their cheating for games against stronger teams.

The incident happened in the first half of the first game of the '07 season. In the prior year, the Jets were a playoff team that beat the Patriots in November '06 (which I remember because I was there). There was every reason to expect that the Jets would have been a strong contender this past season.

Re:Why bother with physics when you can just cheat (1)

Ang31us (1132361) | more than 6 years ago | (#22284288)

I really do like your analysis, Reverberant, but I also want you to know that your "perfect" Patriots are overdue for a loss (that's as close to a flame war as I will get on Superbowl Sunday).

Also, did you know that Hitler is a Cowboys fan [youtube.com]? ;-)

For those OUTSIDE of the USA (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22282720)

What is being played today is NOT Football as the rest of the world knows it. There is hardly any kicking of the ball with the foot ( hence FootBall...) at all.
Then there are the constant stoppages ( every few seconds of play) which are ideal for TV advertisers. It costs an absolute fortune to advertise during the SuperBowl.

At least here in the UK we can watch ( if we so desire, remember the time difference and have to go to work tomorrow ) without any commercial breaks as it is being shown on BBC-2.

I've been watching the African Cup of Nations ( Real football ) and it has been really entertaining as the referees have been playing the advantage in many matches thus letting them flow. This makes for really entertaining matches.

Don't get me started on Baseball and its World Series when the rest of the world can't take part.

Re:For those OUTSIDE of the USA (1)

KTheorem (999253) | more than 6 years ago | (#22283120)

The majority of native English speakers are American. So to most of the English speaking world, football is the game played with the oblong ball and soccer is the one with the round one. If you insist on using a minority dialect of English you should really stop being so sensitive when the majority doesn't use it.

Re:For those OUTSIDE of the USA (1, Troll)

jeremyp (130771) | more than 6 years ago | (#22283282)

Yes but the majority of the non English speaking World also use the word "football" or some variant thereof to refer to soccer rather than the pansy version of rugby that you use to stop the advertising breaks from running together.

Re:For those OUTSIDE of the USA (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22283304)

WTF? The majority of native English speakers are from America? Get your facts straight. Google for U.S. and Canada population count and then try the same for India. You will find out how stupid you are. If you don't want to do that, then I'll just give you the shocking news that India has approximately 1 billion people and U.S. plus Canada around 340 million. That's 34% of India's population.

Re:For those OUTSIDE of the USA (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22283386)

So, you're claiming that everyone in India speaks English? This is contrary to my personal observations.

Re:For those OUTSIDE of the USA (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22285762)

The educated urban class in India does tend to know English. I once trained developers in Hyderabad. About half of them were local and spoke Telugu, and half had relocated from outside Andhra Pradesh and spoke Hindi. Nobody knew both, so around the office they fell back on ... English. Even the housekeeper knew a little English, though the driver almost none.

Re:For those OUTSIDE of the USA (1)

SimonTheSoundMan (1012395) | more than 6 years ago | (#22283448)

Then think of how many languages are spoken in India, there are 22 official languages.

Re:For those OUTSIDE of the USA (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22283524)

Then think of all the countries with English as their official language. South Africa, Australia, New Zealand, Ireland, Great Britain, etc. Guess how they call "soccer".

Re:For those OUTSIDE of the USA (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22284708)

What is being played today is NOT Football as the rest of the world knows it.
That's ok. Apology accepted.

Watch Sport Science (3, Interesting)

sponga (739683) | more than 6 years ago | (#22282732)

There is a show called 'Sport Science' on Fox Sports where they take all these extreme athletes of all types of sports in America like NBA, NFL, NHL, I.R.L., softball, soccer, billards and it goes on. The text article is nice but they provide so much more info on the show and visual demonstrations with great players like Jerry Rice, Ben Roathlisberger

The MMA one is a really interesting one when you have Bas Rutten making the scientest jaws drop with the amount of pressure they hit a target. One hit I remember broke the 1000lbs of force and they were telling these guys that they are throwing concussion hits.

Good episodes like...
Human Flight: Who Are The Highest Flyers in Sports?
Sudden Impact: Who Hits the Hardest in Sports?
Reaction Time: Who Reacts the Fastest in Sports?
Cheap Shots: What does a Cheap Shot feel like in Sports?
Out of Control: Elements of the Game you can't Control

Rugby... (4, Funny)

Bazman (4849) | more than 6 years ago | (#22282748)

England could do with some of those guys in their rugby team, assuming they don't mind playing without helmets and body armour - oh, and multi-million pound/dollar sponsorship deals...

So no chance then.

Re:Rugby... (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22282822)

to be fair american football is bit of a girly sport, now rugby that's a man's sport

Re:Rugby... (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22282836)

And you can't play either of them.

Re:Rugby... (1)

EaglemanBSA (950534) | more than 6 years ago | (#22284770)

LOL while I'll give you that rugby certainly is a rough sport, the contact in football's a little different. I myself have dislocated a shoulder and wrecked an ankle playing, and I know people who have split their fiberglass helmets, broken other people's arms with their facemasks (which are steel, btw), and the like.

I tire of people assuming because the players are wearing pads, it's kids play. Scrum? Try getting a 1-yard head start and see what the impact difference is like. If that doesn't convince you, an inside linebacker usually has more like 4-5 yards. Also, most football (not soccer) players are notably larger than rugby players (e.g.: a guard, loosely the brother of a tighthead prop in rugby, will usually weigh around 300-350 lbs [21-25 stone for the Brits in the audience], compared to 220-275 lbs for a prop [16-20 stone]). Just my 2 cents.

the scale from 0-150 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22282786)

Wonder why they didn't include automobile accidental impacts on the chart...
Off the chart perhaps?
Curiosity...

Apparently theres a game on today (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22282794)

I cant wait till its over so everyone will shut up about it.

Hey, I'd love to watch it. (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22282826)

What channel is it on? BBC1? BBC2?

Re:Hey, I'd love to watch it. (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22282984)

BBC2 10:50pm

Slow news day (-1, Troll)

plopez (54068) | more than 6 years ago | (#22282856)

Must be a slow news day. This is neither "news for nerds" nor "stuff that matters".

I for one am looking forward to the fast download times on the 'net now that all the muggles are going to be glued to the telly all day (something I also look forward to over New year's, Xmas and Xgiving).

Re:Slow news day (5, Funny)

Robber Baron (112304) | more than 6 years ago | (#22282920)

Must be a slow news day. This is neither "news for nerds" nor "stuff that matters".
Sure it is. Now when the jocks beat you up or stuff you in a locker, at least you'll understand a little of the physics behind it.

Fast downloads (1)

Nexus7 (2919) | more than 6 years ago | (#22283096)

I, for one, will be getting fast downloads during the game. I'll be receiving an 15-20 Mbps MPEG-TS stream (after conversion) containing the live game broadcast from my antenna.

Re:Slow news day (1)

plopez (54068) | more than 6 years ago | (#22283244)

That whooshing sound was the joke going over the moderators, and other posters, heads.

Re:Slow news day (0, Troll)

repvik (96666) | more than 6 years ago | (#22284892)

Nah, the moderators are in a very bad mood today. Especially if one makes comments about "football" in this case being "American Football" (otherwise known as rugby for girls). That's guaranteed a -1 Troll or -1 Flamebait mod ;)

Oh? Is there a football game today? (1)

thomasdz (178114) | more than 6 years ago | (#22282924)

I know there's a bunch of really good commercials showing up on YouTube today, but I didn't know that there was a football game today.

More physics (5, Funny)

PPH (736903) | more than 6 years ago | (#22282960)

I will be conducting a careful study of wave propagation through viscous silicone mediums subject to oscillating vertical acceleration.

Re:More physics (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22285460)

I too will be watching porn instead of this "superbowl" thing.

Gosh. (0, Troll)

morari (1080535) | more than 6 years ago | (#22283190)

Even on Slashdot, I can't escape mention of that ridiculous institution that is professional sports.

Without the pads? (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22283302)

And this [youtube.com] is what half a tonne of force looks like without the protective gear.

Re:Without the pads? (0, Redundant)

SimonTheSoundMan (1012395) | more than 6 years ago | (#22283508)

Dear Americans, the parent of this post has linked to a normal tackle in a sport called rugby.
<br><br>What looses me is, why do americans have to wear padding? Why do they run 5m, and stop for 10 minutes?

Re:Without the pads? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22284608)

The pad question I can answer. We had a science teacher who was also the football coach. He liked to read us football stories. I'm only telling you this so you can judge the truthiness for yourself. It seems that deaths were pretty common in the first few decades of american football. So much so that the game risked being outlawed. So some clever guys added helmets and pads to cut down on the mortality rate and save their beloved game. The gear evolved from there in a sort of arms race environment. Better protective equipment meant harder hits were not only allowed, but encouraged, which encourage the use of better equipment, and so on. So now we are left with huge heavily armored guys slamming at maximum speed into each other. And living.

Re:Without the pads? (1)

drcagn (715012) | more than 6 years ago | (#22284654)

Bait, but I guess I'll bite...

Padding allows the players to do more than their Rugby counterparts. I've heard this argument a thousand times, but the truth is that if the players have padding, they will play harder to compensate. If you give your rugby players padding, will they play the same way or will they play harder? It's a different focus on playing. American football and Rugby are different sports, even if they are closely related.

In addition, American Football is more about the strategy in moving the ball than Rugby is. There is time between each play for the players to talk strategy and swap benched players. This is 45 seconds in the NFL, 25 seconds in college. The stadium screens and television networks usually play a replay of the previous play from angles to show the viewers exactly what happened the last play, which is often necessary to completely understand what happened.

If you don't like American football, that's fine. We Americans really aren't offended nor do we care. But I think both American football and Rugby are respectable, but different, sports. That goes for soccer, too.

Re:Without the pads? (1)

repvik (96666) | more than 6 years ago | (#22284948)

Padding allows the players to do more than their Rugby counterparts. I've heard this argument a thousand times, but the truth is that if the players have padding, they will play harder to compensate. If you give your rugby players padding, will they play the same way or will they play harder? It's a different focus on playing. American football and Rugby are different sports, even if they are closely related.

Player injuries are also reduced from 157.7 to 16 injuries per 1000h played. On the upside, you're about twice as likely to die from the injuries in american football as in rugby. I still mean that american football is rugby for wee little girlies.

Re:Without the pads? (1)

seven7h (926826) | more than 6 years ago | (#22285228)

Dear Unknown Nationality

The grandparent post is actually liking to an average tackle from a sport calle Rugby League (Or league for short).

Honest question (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22283368)

Do /.ers really waste time watching football? I thought only idiots did that. It's the same here in Europe with the proprietary soccer thing. There are several studies showing that soccer watchers have an IQ smaller than 70.

Glass

Re:Honest question (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22283848)

Yes, some /.ers and smart people in the US watch football (as if you couldn't figure that out by reading the threads on this article). The game is more complex than soccer, so I think the IQ requirements are higher.

Re:Honest question (1)

repvik (96666) | more than 6 years ago | (#22284982)

Actually, looking at the incredible amount of "flamebait" and "troll" moderations on posts critical of American Football, it is both obvious that not only does a lot of slashdotters see american football, but they're stupid as hell too.

Behind the Scenes Equipment Testing (3, Interesting)

flyneye (84093) | more than 6 years ago | (#22283606)

I personally worked for a paint factory that manufactured the paint that goes on the helmets(Yes,the NFLs helmets made by RYDELL).The problem we were overcoming was the old paint weakened the strength of the helmets causing splits and cracks.Our method of test consisted of 10 ft. of 4inch PVC duct taped to a pillar.At the bottom of the pillar,a box,little bigger than the helmet w/4 inches of foam rubber.The helmet sat in the box and two 10 lb.sledgehammer heads duct taped together were dropped to dent the helmet upon which it was inspected for cracks or splits radiating from the dent.The old paint wouldn't withstand a single hammer head.Ours withstood both in the end.
          Cost of research,less than $50 U.S. Scienterrific,huh?

Arguments about words asside, why is it on Sunday? (1)

WarwickRyan (780794) | more than 6 years ago | (#22284764)

Really, why do you guys play it Sunday evenining? It'd make way more sense to play on Saturdays - then you could all stay up late and get real pissed. Plus, then those of us who live in Europe could join in the fun.

Heck, after England's second half performance against Wales, I needed something to cheer me up. Superbowl would have been perfect.

Re:Arguments about words asside, why is it on Sund (1)

barzok (26681) | more than 6 years ago | (#22284928)

I agree. It makes having a party for the game with me, my wife, and 10 of our closest friends, on our 55.9 inch screen (so as to not run afoul of the No Fun League's lawyers) pretty difficult.

I think it's just done on Sunday because Sunday is traditionally pro football day.

Re: why not Saturday? (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22285478)

To clarify what was said in http://games.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=440450&cid=22284928 [slashdot.org] about "pro" day:

American football takes place on both Saturdays and Sundays during the football seasons (~September thru ~ January). College football is played on Saturdays, and professional (mostly synonymous with NFL) football is played on Sundays. High school football is played on Friday nights. The NFL season ends later than the college season, so indeed Saturdays are free for pro football starting in December and the NFL holds playoff games on both Saturdays and Sundays. The NFL also has a single "featured" game on Monday nights, and some Thursdays too of late.

As far as the effects of after-game celebration the day after: people seem to get away with a lot on Monday-After-Superbowl as it's often considered a day of amnesty by the cultural magnitude the event has. "The Superbowl" is no longer just a game, but a massive cultural event in this country that far transcends the sport and its followers. Superbowl Sunday is a holiday in all but official name.

Rugbyforpansies? (0, Offtopic)

stewbacca (1033764) | more than 6 years ago | (#22284802)

AS for the rugbyforpansies tag...nice try. It seems like every English rugby player who tries to make it in the NFL usually ends up in the strong safety position. Too small to play linebacker, too slow to play defensive back, and absolutely no individual skills (other than smashing into other humans). Perhaps American Football is rubygforpansies, but funny how many ex-rugbyers are third on the depth charts and playing on kick coverage.

The best part of my post is that those who apply the rugbyforpansies tag have no idea what any of it means ;-)

Re:Rugbyforpansies? (1)

oojimaflib (1077261) | more than 6 years ago | (#22285350)

AS for the rugbyforpansies tag...nice try. It seems like every English rugby player who tries to make it in the NFL usually ends up in the strong safety position. Too small to play linebacker, too slow to play defensive back, and absolutely no individual skills (other than smashing into other humans). Perhaps American Football is rubygforpansies, but funny how many ex-rugbyers are third on the depth charts and playing on kick coverage.
Forgive my ignorance here, as I know little of American Football, but as I understand it your argument is this: American Football is not rugby for pansies because the only rugby players that play American Football are pansies... I struggle to comprehend the point you are trying to make.

Note: I shall not take a view on the pansiness of American Football myself as, in my opinion, if you play either sport you are a) not a pansy and b) need your head examined.

Re:Rugbyforpansies? (1)

minorproblem (891991) | more than 6 years ago | (#22285624)

I don't understand why people compare the two, the types of tackles between Union and American Football are completly diffrent and they have completly diffrent rules. Hence why one has helmets and padding and the other one doesn't.

1600lbs = 1/2 ton?? (1)

ecavalli (1216014) | more than 6 years ago | (#22285568)

Maybe I'm doing the math wrong, but I've always been led to believe that 1600 pounds is a hell of a lot more than half a ton. In fact, it's 60% more than half.

Anyone wanna tell me what I'm missing in that summary?

OK, let's quote John Cleese (1)

woodengod (863603) | more than 6 years ago | (#22285824)

... from "The art of football from A to Z. About "soccer":

Why call soccer, it is football. It is struck with the foot. The clue is in the foot

And about the "american football":

It is not really a ball at all, it is carried around by hand, thrown round by hand and people catch with their hands. Only one person ever kicks and he has to be brought on especially to do it. I guess though it is a form of creativity though saying one thing and meaning something completely different...

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