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Vista SP1 Released to Manufacturing

ScuttleMonkey posted more than 6 years ago | from the help-is-on-the-way dept.

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Reverend Ninja writes "According to the Windows Vista team blog, Windows Vista SP1 has been released to manufacturing. It appears we'll have to wait until mid-March to play with it though, as the team cites that they want everyone to have a 'great install experience'. 'Service Pack 1 brings new improvements that are based on feedback we heard from our customers. It further improves the reliability and performance of Windows Vista. The information we collect thanks to tools like the Customer Experience Improvement Program, Online Crash Analysis, and Windows Error Reporting help us learn about where and when customers are having issues with Windows Vista and the applications that run on it. Since these issues have a direct impact on our customers' experiences, we've invested time and energy to make this better. While Windows Vista Service Pack 1 is an important milestone, we will continue to invest in the continuous improvement process.'"

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Ron Paul!!! (-1, Offtopic)

Harmonious Botch (921977) | more than 6 years ago | (#22298340)

Godammit, Taco, where can we post about Ron Paul??? If you don't want him in the article on Republican candidates, how about here?

Re:Ron Paul Spam!!! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22298384)

Wherever a text box can be spammed by delusional Ron Paul supporters, you can do your part to increase the signal to noise ratio.

Ron Paul would allow an oil refinary to be built accross the street from you, and your only recourse would be a $200/hr lawyer.

I can't wait for this election to be over if for no other reson than becuase of Ron Paul spam.

Re:Ron Paul Spam!!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22298474)

Ron Paul would allow an oil refinary to be built accross the street from you, and your only recourse would be a $200/hr lawyer.
He would be opposed to the Federal government being involved, but not your state/county/city.

BTW, why aren't you using Firefox's built-in spelling checker? Your post has five spelling errors. If you're using IE, install IE7Pro and use it's spell checker.

Re:Ron Paul Spam!!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22298538)

You spelled "its" wrong.

Re:Ron Paul Spam!!! (-1, Offtopic)

Sporkinum (655143) | more than 6 years ago | (#22298488)

They call them there people Paul-Tards.

I'm tired of the euphemisms (3, Insightful)

trolltalk.com (1108067) | more than 6 years ago | (#22298366)

the team cites that they want everyone to have a 'great install experience'.

Come off it already. "great install experience" ... hey, its not a f*cking condo timeshare!

And just to show that I'm not reserving my spleen for venting on Microsoft, This is as stupid as the naming conventions that have taken over in the open-source world, calling different versions by weird names,, like 'Gutsy Gibbon'.

Re:I'm tired of the euphemisms (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22298496)

If you didn't like Gutsy, just wait for some future releases:

Incontinent Iquana
Petrified Penguin

Oh, don't forget the next one up: Horny Heron.

Re:I'm tired of the euphemisms (0, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22298906)

Oh, don't forget the next one up: Horny Heron.

You got that wrong: it's Hairy Hardon.

Re:I'm tired of the euphemisms (4, Insightful)

Viol8 (599362) | more than 6 years ago | (#22298514)

This sort of crap has been going on a while now with every company trying to talk up the most trivial action into sounding something earth shattering or life changing. HOw many companies now just have a product? Not many , most have a "mission" or a "vision" in the hope that this juvenile over emphasis of everything will somehow fool people into thinking they're really some sort of spin off of the SAS or some high brow philosphical deep thinkers , rather than some shitty little cleaning services company or whatever. Everyone apart from marketing morons and some middle management still stuck in the early 90s is sick of it.

Re:I'm tired of the euphemisms (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22298596)

I always smear Crisco on my lover's asshole, because I want him to have a 'great install experience'.

Re:I'm tired of the euphemisms (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22298840)

I always smear Crisco on my lover's asshole, because I want him to have a 'great install experience'.
Have you had any major issues with Leopard? How's the iPhone working out?

Re:I'm tired of the euphemisms (-1, Flamebait)

Moryath (553296) | more than 6 years ago | (#22298604)

And here they prove they still have their heads square up their fat asses.

It's nothing to do with the "install experience" save for that if the installer crashes, they're up shit creek.

The underlying problem is that even after you install SP1, it's still fucking vista. With every one of the annoyances - the DRM bullcrap, the nagware, the "oops someone used javascript on this website do you want to continue" click dialog under IE7 EVERY FUCKING GODDAMN PAGE, the stupid crap like DOS programs (yeah I still like to load up a few old games) not being allowed to go fullscreen.

In short, Vista SP1: If you put whipped cream on a turd, it's still a fucking goddamn turd.

Re:I'm tired of the euphemisms (4, Insightful)

jo42 (227475) | more than 6 years ago | (#22298622)

I have come to the conclusion that language such as this, that of advertising, marketing, that of middle- and upper-management and politics is simply the language of the uber incompetent. In other words - make it sound important and significant to make it look like they know what they are talking about even when they don't have a frickin clue.

Re:I'm tired of the euphemisms (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22299208)

yeap, advertising rubbish.. take a look at some amusing blogs on the subject.. behind the ads [blogspot.com] and balls to advertising [blogspot.com]

Re:I'm tired of the euphemisms (3, Interesting)

wizardforce (1005805) | more than 6 years ago | (#22298708)

Come off it already. "great install experience" ... hey, its not a f*cking condo timeshare!
funny you mention that, it was always my understanding that Microsoft made the point that your OS isn't really yours, ie you're just buying a license to use it- true you're not really sharing the time on your OS with anyone else but you did effectively buy the time you do have from MS.

This is as stupid as the naming conventions that have taken over in the open-source world, calling different versions by weird names,, like 'Gutsy Gibbon'.
nothing says you *need* to call the release Gutsy Gibbon, you could just as easily call it Ubuntu 7.10 or just Ubuntu if you like. it's just my opinion but really it's better to have a good OS with a silly name than a mediocre one with a great name.

Re:I'm tired of the euphemisms (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22298836)

This is as stupid as the naming conventions that have taken over in the open-source world, calling different versions by weird names,, like 'Gutsy Gibbon'.
and Hairy Har-... er, Hardy Heron.

Re:I'm tired of the euphemisms (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22298876)

and names like chicago, whistler, blackcomb and longhorn are a whole lot better?

Re:I'm tired of the euphemisms (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22299034)

No worse then cars you know..... One word ThunderCougarFalconBird

Re:I'm tired of the euphemisms (2, Informative)

trolltalk.com (1108067) | more than 6 years ago | (#22299286)

At least with cars, they keep the same name from year to year, just "bump up the version number".

Look at (just some of) the different names Windows has gone through:

  1. Windows for Workgroups (3.11)
  2. Windows 95 (3.95 - 4.0)
  3. Windows 98 (4.x)
  4. Windows 98 Second Edition (4.x)
  5. Windows Millenium Edition (4.x)
  6. Windows New Technology
  7. Windows XP (5.0)
  8. Windows Vista (6.0)
... and that's not counting the different versions (Home, Basic, Pro, Advanced, Whatever ...)

On the open source front, how do you expect people to take you seriously when you say "You should try Werewolf" (fedora 8)? Its bad enough we have weird-sounding names like Mandriva, Linspire (or whatever they're calling it nowadays), and Ubuntu without making it worse ...

Removed the DRM? (-1, Redundant)

corsec67 (627446) | more than 6 years ago | (#22298378)

Unless they removed the Digital Restrictions Management from the core of the OS, they couldn't have improved it that much.

It is still Defective by Design.

Re:Removed the DRM? (3, Informative)

dhavleak (912889) | more than 6 years ago | (#22298548)

Time to do some FUD-busting ;)

Everything you've read about Vista's DRM is wrong:
http://blogs.zdnet.com/Bott/?p=299 [zdnet.com]
http://blogs.zdnet.com/Bott/?p=304 [zdnet.com]
http://blogs.zdnet.com/Bott/?p=309 [zdnet.com]

The nutshell version. If you're mad at Vista for including HDCP support -- Leopard, the PS3, or any HD-DVD or BluRay player on the market has it as well. Get pissed at the entire industry or don't bother getting pissed at all.

Re:Removed the DRM? (1)

grub (11606) | more than 6 years ago | (#22298714)


The nutshell version. If you're mad at Vista for including HDCP support -- Leopard, the PS3, or any HD-DVD or BluRay player on the market has it as well. Get pissed at the entire industry or don't bother getting pissed at all.

My PopcornHour Network Media Tank [popcornhour.com] doesn't have any copy protection and I can play x264 720p/1080p HD-DVD & BluRay rips, xvid, divx, dvd ISOs, et al. just fine.

Re:Removed the DRM? (1)

DAldredge (2353) | more than 6 years ago | (#22298762)

So can my Vista64 box.

Re:Removed the DRM? (4, Informative)

dhavleak (912889) | more than 6 years ago | (#22298844)

Didn't bother to read the links before posting a rebuttal right? :)

Your media tank does indeed provide an HDCP path. Either that, or when the ICT bit is set on media shipped in 2010 onwards, your playback will degrade to roughly 950x550.

Re:Removed the DRM? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22298842)

The last time I looked, GNU/Linux is also part of the software industry and is not contaminated by DRM.

Re:Removed the DRM? (1)

dhavleak (912889) | more than 6 years ago | (#22298986)

Correct. But that means that if you want to watch BluRay or HD-DVD on your linux machine you have the following options: - Only watch media that doesn't have the ICT bit set (we are at the publishers mercy on this one as to when they decide to set it) - Come up with an HDCP implementation for Linux systems (yes -- that's DRM) - Watch HD media with the ICT bit set, at a degraded resolution of roughly 950x550 (I forget the exact numbers) instead of 720p or 1080p. Like I said, get mad at the entire industry or don't bother getting mad at all. Singling out MS isn't going to achieve anything if defeating DRM is your goal.

Re:Removed the DRM? (1)

corsec67 (627446) | more than 6 years ago | (#22298900)

Ok, so the DRM isn't as intrusive as Gutmann said, but it is still there, and intrudes when you play back "premium content", right? (Thanks for those informative links, I am not going to buy a Vista computer, so I haven't really been following that stuff)

And how do you know that the Reduced functionality mode [microsoft.com] is actually gone?

I don't have a single device that uses HDCP.
Not my Upconverting DVD player [slashdot.org] , my PS2, or any of my linux devices/computers.

Maybe I am pissed at the whole industry, then. I am not going to get a Blu-Ray or HD-DVD player until Helios Labs [helios-labs.com] makes one without the DRM.

Re:Removed the DRM? (1)

mattcasters (67972) | more than 6 years ago | (#22298910)

By the way, those articles are one big rant without too much proof.

You know, Digital Restrictions Management is not about hardware, nor software, not even content. It's about restricting users to do exactly what the content providing industry wants you to do by allowing you to see what they want you to see and to let you listen to what they want you to listen to. There ought to be a law against it.

In conclusion, as far as I'm concerned : the entire industry.

Re:Removed the DRM? (1)

GaryPatterson (852699) | more than 6 years ago | (#22299074)

What's Leopard got to do with HDCP? As far as I'm aware, Apple haven't delivered HDCP support on any hardware or software.

They'll no doubt add it for Blu-Ray or HD-DVD playback, in which case the question becomes: "Is it in the OS or app layer, and if it's the former, how pervasive is it?"

Re:Removed the DRM? (1)

Hatta (162192) | more than 6 years ago | (#22299190)

What makes you think I'm not pissed at the entire industry? I don't own a single device implementing HDCP and I don't plan on it either. If they want my money, they can sell me a FULLY FUNCTIONAL device.

Re:Removed the DRM? (1)

Verteiron (224042) | more than 6 years ago | (#22299226)

Thanks for those links. Cleared up a lot of misapprehensions I had about Vista.

Re:Removed the DRM? (1)

DAldredge (2353) | more than 6 years ago | (#22298726)

In what way is the DRM bad?

Re:Removed the DRM? (2, Insightful)

corsec67 (627446) | more than 6 years ago | (#22298950)

In what way is DRM good?
All DRM tries to do is prevent the user from doing stuff, but can't possibly be successful due to the analog hole [wikipedia.org] .

Re:Removed the DRM? (5, Informative)

siyavash (677724) | more than 6 years ago | (#22298760)

Windows Vista has "Support" for DRM, which means content creators such as music and movie makers can CHOOSE to use DRM... IF they want to. HOWEVER, there is no "DRM FORCE" on the user. Which means you CAN STILL use your downloaded mp3s and other files ( porn ) perfectly OK with Windows Vista.

If you dislike DRM, don't buy from the content creators which put DRM in their content. That has nothing to do with an Operating System.

Educate yourself.

About Time (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22298392)

The inside story is that the Windows team has abandoned Vista and is concentrating on Windows V7, based on Winmin which has been mentioned here before. They are embarassed about Vista and are determined to produce something very cool and on-time.

Let's see. Office is kicking their butt when it comes to delivering on expectations.

Re:About Time (1)

Hal_Porter (817932) | more than 6 years ago | (#22298778)

based on Winmin

It is spelled wymyn you sexist pig!

A great install experience? (-1, Redundant)

Viol8 (599362) | more than 6 years ago | (#22298406)

Would that be the "Would you like to re-install Windows XP" dialog?

crimes against language (0, Flamebait)

Swampash (1131503) | more than 6 years ago | (#22298416)

While Windows Vista Service Pack 1 is an important milestone, we will continue to invest in the continuous improvement process.


Reading garbage like this makes me want to nuke Redmond from space.

Re:crimes against language (0)

gEvil (beta) (945888) | more than 6 years ago | (#22298572)

Reading garbage like this makes me want to nuke Redmond from space.

But garbage can't read....

Re:crimes against language (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22298798)

its the only way to be sure....

Continual Business Process Improvement (2, Informative)

Bryansix (761547) | more than 6 years ago | (#22299026)

If you have ever taken a business class (which I have) you will know that Continual Business Process Improvement is not just a buzz-phrase but instead it's a way of life and a way of doing business. (See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quality_management [wikipedia.org] ) It means that you constantly look to improve the quality of the product, process etc. in such a way that improvments are realized and then you improve some more.

A good example of this is my form I use for processing new employees. When I first made it I left out some things. I wouldn't make sense for me to keep trying to make that old form work. So I changed it and added in the things I left off. Then we added another login which I needed to make sure I created. Therefore I changed it again. Each iteration becomes more streamlined and accurate.

Slashdot users rape babies (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22298426)

You are all fucking bastards who rape babies on wheels

Re:Slashdot users rape babies (2, Funny)

frankthechicken (607647) | more than 6 years ago | (#22298498)

Hey, I like raping babies as much as the next person, but on wheels? You need to get with the Microsoft program and make your install process smoother.

Clarification (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22298940)

Who is on wheels: Slashdot users or the babies? It makes a big difference!

Looks great but (1)

BeoCluster (995566) | more than 6 years ago | (#22298434)

Does it run Linux ?

Well, I'm sure it will be stable! (1, Troll)

poetmatt (793785) | more than 6 years ago | (#22298438)

Of course this should be just as stable as Vista was originally. Anyone have bets as to how long before a significant program of widespread use is broken, or Vista breaks itself with SP1? I give it about 5 minutes following release.

Beyond that, has there been any actual basis showing that SP1 (of the testers) adds any form of significant performance enhancements? Last I read about improving Vista performance people basically said "turn off everything that differentiates vista from XP"

Re:Well, I'm sure it will be stable! (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22298606)

I performed the SP1 RC Refresh 2 installation on Saturday it went smoothly and without any hitches. Vista performance seems a little perkier (although TBH, I never had significant performance issues before hand either).

In any case, I dunno how much more work this SP will need since I haven't experienced a single problem with it during or after installation.

Next weekend I'm going to try the XP Service Pack 3 installation and see how that goes :)

-AC

Re:Well, I'm sure it will be stable! (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22298804)

To speak to the question about performance: Vista SP1 is still certainly slower than Windows XP. Our group did purchase some high-end testing software and that does show that SP1 performs a little bit better than RTM (and not that magical 10% that people notice; much lower than that). However, it does noticeably improve battery life (on the order of 30 minutes for many users).

Ok, so where's the link (1, Funny)

Paktu (1103861) | more than 6 years ago | (#22298452)

IIRC, torrents of Windows Vista appeared within about fifteen minutes of the RTM. Anyone have a link to SP1?

Hard Evidence Of Vista Poor Sales and Performance? (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22298454)

I've used a Vista machine at work for a little while now and don't really see it for being anything other than just another Windows version with cosmetic changes for the types of functions I use it for. I am mystified at the claims made about the operating system. Does anyone have any actual evidence that:

Sales are actually worse than previous Windows versions?

Actual poor performance on systems that actually meet the minimum requirements?

Problems with apps or games that weren't fixed with updates?

Security or virus problems?

Or any of the seemingly million other problems the operating system is claimed to have?

Re:Hard Evidence Of Vista Poor Sales and Performan (2, Funny)

MrMr (219533) | more than 6 years ago | (#22298918)

I personally have experienced none of the problems you mention.
In fact, I haven't had any problems with XP, 2000, NT, CE, 98, 95, 3.11, 3.1, 3.0, DOS 3.3 either.

Re:Hard Evidence Of Vista Poor Sales and Performan (1)

calebt3 (1098475) | more than 6 years ago | (#22298984)

Funny how you haven't listed Windows ME.

Re:Hard Evidence Of Vista Poor Sales and Performan (1)

MrMr (219533) | more than 6 years ago | (#22299250)

Woops, I forgot all about that.
But you're right I didn't have problems with that one either.
or with this one for that matter:
http://www.geocities.com/rcwoolley/ [geocities.com]

Re:Hard Evidence Of Vista Poor Sales and Performan (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22299114)

I bought a PC with vista on it and 2 seperate wireless networks had multiple issues. The only correction was to purchase a Vista Certified Wireless N $$$$$$ router to get my pc to work.

Re:Hard Evidence Of Vista Poor Sales and Performan (2, Informative)

Bryansix (761547) | more than 6 years ago | (#22299180)

Actual evidence, no. Anecdotal evidence, yes. The Graphic designer here installed Vista (that was a mistake) and it brought his computer to it's knees. The problem was in the indexing service. I doubt they have fixed this but I don't know because he reverted back to XP. Also note that the actual minimum requirements are for the Home Basic version which doesn't actually have any of the "features and improvements" so touted by Microsoft. Therefore if you have the minimum requirements but not the requirements for Ultimate then you are much better off sticking with XP.

Real info instead of speculation (4, Informative)

dfn_deux (535506) | more than 6 years ago | (#22298456)

Notable changes in SP1 [microsoft.com] Hot fixes and patches rolled up in SP1 [microsoft.com] Release Notes document [microsoft.com]
Unlike most of the chatter I've read on /. I've been mostly satisifed with my Vista install so far. The only real problems I've experienced is the repackaging of some of the SDK tools such as graphedit which used to be available as standalone, but the 64 bit vista specific version is only available as part of a multi-gig sdk download... Also some vendors have been slow to ship good drivers although I suspect that MS requiring a 64 bit for the "vista compatible" label and not requiring a 32 bit version will in time result in a better driver base.

Re:Real info instead of speculation (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22298872)

I liked this part best:

SP1 also includes updates that deal with two exploits we have seen, which can affect system stability for our customers.

The OEM Bios exploit, which involves modifying system files and the BIOS of the motherboard to mimic a type of product activation performed on copies of Windows that are pre-installed by OEMs in the factory.

The Grace Timer exploit, which attempts to reset the "grace time" limit between installation and activation to something like the year 2099 in some cases.

Thank god they fixed those 'system stability' issues....

CEIP (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22298526)

Customer Experience Improvement Program? Is that anything like the Best Buy Rewards Zone, where the more information I give to Microsoft, the more they make me feel like I'm getting something of value back? Cos if so, I want to opt out right now!

50% Faster? (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22298530)

Ars Technica [arstechnica.com] claims that file copies are now 50% faster in SP1.

It should only take 65 and a half years, instead of 131 [theregister.co.uk] , to copy 168 Mb of pictures now. What a great feature! :-)

So how many 5 year old bugs fixed in SP1? (3, Insightful)

WillAffleckUW (858324) | more than 6 years ago | (#22298546)

Inquiring minds want to know ...

It's out. (0, Offtopic)

Alcoholic Dali (1024937) | more than 6 years ago | (#22298552)

Re:It's out. (1)

Daimanta (1140543) | more than 6 years ago | (#22299234)

Posting a 1 GB link on Slashdot is not the smartest thing you can do.

Re:It's out. (2, Insightful)

growse (928427) | more than 6 years ago | (#22299266)

WTF? That's something *completely different*.

6 weeks? (1)

AdamReyher (862525) | more than 6 years ago | (#22298566)

I love how they announce it then make us wait 6 weeks to actually download it. While I can perfectly understand not releasing it via Autoupdate immediately, at least give us a freaking place to get it manually from MSDN or the Download Center.

And I most certainly won't be trusting leaked torrent versions when it comes to Service Packs.

A sprig of parsely on a steaming turd (3, Insightful)

david_craig (892495) | more than 6 years ago | (#22298574)

Am I becoming excessively cynical for thinking that SP1 for Vista was rushed out the door for marketing reasons?

It's common for people to wait for the first service pack before moving to a new software platform (not just Microsoft's), and I've seen in their marketing they've been attempting to address the "myth" (http://www.microsoft.com/australia/vistafacts/fact.aspx [microsoft.com] ) that Vista won't be ready until SP1.

I'm predicting that SP1 will just be a bunch of already released hotfixes bundled together and won't do much to cover up the stench of excrement the product exudes.



I'm sorry that this is slightly flamebait, but I don't like Microsoft's products that much and I'm still bitter that my employer forced me to install Vista on my work laptop.

Re:A sprig of parsely on a steaming turd (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22298860)

Apologies for posting AC, but I couldn't agree with you more. There are lots of glitches which I'm sure won't be fixed by SP1 release time. Examples?

* I can't save my password when I plug in my PDA. This is due to the stupid new "Windows Mobile Device Center", which "fixed" a tool that wasn't broken (ActiveSync)

* IE crashes often when you close it, just from an ordinary browsing session. I submitted the problem reports to Microsoft, and they replied back and suggested I try removing McAfee Anti-spam. That would work great, except I don't even use it! So I doubt they're going to be able to fix it if they don't even know what the problem is now.

* When you do file operations in Explorer, it takes way too long to calculate time remaining. I have all the relevant patches applied. Still no dice.

* Plenty of permissions problems and similar problems with "features" of Windows.

* Lack of compatibility with old programs.

So I really wonder whether SP1 will actually help or whether it will just be a number for the service pack watchers.

Re:A sprig of parsely on a steaming turd (0)

JustNiz (692889) | more than 6 years ago | (#22299168)

>> I don't like Microsoft's products that much and I'm still bitter that my employer forced me to install Vista on my work laptop.

Dude, just dual-boot Linux, or run it in a VM if your employer won't let you partition the drive.

Question for dev team (4, Informative)

Enlarged to Show Tex (911413) | more than 6 years ago | (#22298584)

Why do you need a 'great install experience' when you can just force the update on your userbase?

Re:Question for dev team (4, Insightful)

blind biker (1066130) | more than 6 years ago | (#22298814)

Excellent question. And the answer is: because otherwise your users won't know what a great thing they got - they wouldn't notice a damn thing at all. But if it's all nicely wrapped in bells, whistles and shiny ribbons with bright letters reading "Vista SP1", then they will have that warm and fuzzy feeling of having something new, valuable, BETTER.

Hrm... (0)

Cleon (471197) | more than 6 years ago | (#22298594)

Service Pack 1 brings new improvements that are based on feedback we heard from our customers. It further improves the reliability and performance of Windows Vista. The information we collect thanks to tools like the Customer Experience Improvement Program, Online Crash Analysis, and Windows Error Reporting help us learn about where and when customers are having issues with Windows Vista and the applications that run on it. Since these issues have a direct impact on our customers' experiences, we've invested time and energy to make this better. While Windows Vista Service Pack 1 is an important milestone, we will continue to invest in the continuous improvement process.


Is it just me, or does this sound like a weaselly way of saying: "Yeah, we really haven't got a friggin' clue why our OS is messed up, so hopefully after this release we'll be able to start looking at the problems people are having."

We use SP1RC1 in a lab of Vista machines (4, Informative)

fishthegeek (943099) | more than 6 years ago | (#22298642)

and it doesn't appear to have helped reliability or performance as far as we can see. We still have TrendNet wireless nics that will not work using Vista drivers on a factory install of the OS. We still have file copy operations that should be timed with a calendar. We have Vistafied versions of applications that generate interestingly cryptic "unable to assign resource" errors.

I hope that any changes between RC1 and RTM are actually going to deliver on those promises they keep making.

Re:We use SP1RC1 in a lab of Vista machines (1)

Zwergin (572487) | more than 6 years ago | (#22299320)

I am looking forward to see if they have placed any significant improvements in the SP1 deployment for Vista, not so much for features, but for speed, and desktop responce time. I agree it is a Behemoth to a PC even with dual core, SATA, and 2 Quick Gig's of memory for basic home use plus using the Readyboost feature to speed some of the excessive Swap File usage just a tiny more, but I will admit three of the stability hotfixes that were published made a big reliability difference for me... nothing on speed yet.

Of course let us also hope that any driver updates they push through with the SP1 will not cause major problems like I have had in the past, but as my subject states, I will be "backing up as usual". Note that backing up is important... the Restore Points dissapear very quickly.
Type at'cha later!,
Zwergin

Well ya know... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22298660)

As one of my Professors once said: "From crap you can get anything". It was true in predicate calculus and it's true with Vista.

Re:Well ya know... (-1, Flamebait)

snowraver1 (1052510) | more than 6 years ago | (#22298812)

I know it as "You can't polish a turd", so in this case a turd with a service pack is still just a turd.

Re:Well ya know... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22298972)

turd polish is available... just search for it on google

Default settings (2, Funny)

edwardpickman (965122) | more than 6 years ago | (#22298668)

1 Uninstall Firefox

2 Uninstall iTunes and any non Windows players

3 Uninstall Open Office

4 Update Vista

5 Max Firewall settings

Re:Default settings (1)

Constantine XVI (880691) | more than 6 years ago | (#22298796)

6 DoJ and EC drop on Microsoft like a metric ton of bricks

Now can we all please just shut up about it? (4, Insightful)

fahrvergnugen (228539) | more than 6 years ago | (#22298750)

I'm no Microsoft apologist, but I do think the unbridled hate that pervades /.'s reaction to every single Vista article is a bit out of hand. Maybe this will help stem the tide of Vista-bashing. Sure, Vista kinda sucks, but all Windows versions kinda suck. I think most people who are ripping on Vista for being the operating system anti-christ are forgetting how badly XP sucked pre-SP1, and even pre-SP2. 7 years ago, the chorus of "OH MY GOD XP IS SO MUCH WORSE THAN 2000! THERE'S NO NEED TO UPGRADE!" in every XP article's comments were eerily similar to the ones you hear now every time Vista gets a mention.

Vista's maturing, and as it does it'll become a better operating system, and everyone will benefit, even if they don't use Vista. Microsoft still competes largely on the basis of being a de facto standard. Vista's release has caused them to lose this edge somewhat, and the window has opened for their competition, who compete mostly on features, to get a little lazy (Leopard, anyone?). Microsoft competing more vigorously on their stale plank, assuming they don't magically find traction they've been unable to find for years, can't do anything but help the products on the market.

Okay, now it's time to cue the million responses calling me a Microsoft shill. Suggested topics: "There really was no reason to upgrade from 2k to XP, I still use 2k just fine," "Vista is beyond repair because of DRM," and "Vista is way more broken than Leopard, how dare you rip on OS X."

Re:Now can we all please just shut up about it? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22298890)

yeah... cut the crap... we want Vista SP2 NOW!

Re:Now can we all please just shut up about it? (4, Insightful)

dreamchaser (49529) | more than 6 years ago | (#22298948)

As I've stated many times in many places, I'm largely OS agnostic. I have Solaris, Linux, Mac OSX, Windows 2000, Windows XP, and Windows Vista at my disposal. I'm fairly happy with Vista so far. Despite the hate and FUD you see here it works fairly well, and the initial problems with drivers have been largely sorted out. It really is in many ways a replay of when XP shipped. The difference is that now there are real alternatives and the competition is a bit more.

Re:Now can we all please just shut up about it? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22299162)

You're still an agnostic after being in touch with six different deities? Now that's what I call hardcore!

Re:Now can we all please just shut up about it? (1)

fostware (551290) | more than 6 years ago | (#22299202)

I'm OS agnostic as well, but Vista seems to be as rough around the edges as any other OS.

My Vista install occasionally picks a default route of the router and 0.0.0.0 (yes, two default routes), especially after hibernation.

Running "route delete 0.0.0.0 & route delete 0.0.0.0 & ipconfig /renew" seems to do the trick, but really, you'd think a decent DHCP client would be essential when *everywhere* uses it... Two "Reliability and Performance" patches have made squat of a difference.

Re:Now can we all please just shut up about it? (1)

MikeUW (999162) | more than 6 years ago | (#22298952)

You may be right (I haven't used Vista myself), but you certainly reinforce the case that it's better to wait until SP1 or SP2 before migrating to Vista. If Vista is still maturing, then it was immature when it was released...I think most customers would prefer that the products they pay for are in fully functional order.

Re:Now can we all please just shut up about it? (1)

fahrvergnugen (228539) | more than 6 years ago | (#22299032)

Every x.0 operating system ever shipped was immature at launch. Every. Single. One. Singling Vista out for that is like singling out a 3-year-old for not being able to read.

Re:Now can we all please just shut up about it? (1)

MikeUW (999162) | more than 6 years ago | (#22299108)

Yes, you're right about that too. Particularly with Open Source software, but at least Open Source is upfront about it, and responds with updates/patches as soon as they can be fixed. Proprietary software like Windows is sold under the premise that it's a complete and fully functional product, and that's what they expect you to pay for. I can't say I've read the labels, but I highly doubt that it says anywhere on the box for Vista that you should expect problems, which may or may not be resolved in subsequent updates or service packs (as deemed appropriate by Microsoft).

Re:Now can we all please just shut up about it? (1)

Cro Magnon (467622) | more than 6 years ago | (#22299156)

Usually, smart people avoid x.0 releases until the early adopters get the arrows out of their backs. However, it's harder to avoid Vista because of MS pushing it on every new box.

Re:Now can we all please just shut up about it? (2, Insightful)

jase001 (1171037) | more than 6 years ago | (#22299146)

This IS why people did not get XP before sp1. The product wasn't good enough at the time. MS is kind of admitting that Vista isn't what they hope, because MS where discussing Windows 7 (or what every they will call it) so early after the Vista release. Vista still seems like a Windows ME to a lot of people. May be future service packs will reverse the view? However all this back tracking on MS's part leaves them open to the competition.

Re:Now can we all please just shut up about it? (1)

Hal_Porter (817932) | more than 6 years ago | (#22299176)

I think people are just miffed that Vista beats their favourite OS

http://www.neowin.net/news/main/08/01/09/market-share-2007-mac-os-gains-315-vista-grabs-1048 [neowin.net]
Windows XP - 76.91%
Windows Vista - 10.48%
Mac OS - 7.30%
Windows 2000 - 2.66%
Windows 98 - 0.70%
Linux - 0.63%

Re:Now can we all please just shut up about it? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22299272)

No. I'm not going to shut about it, because Vista is a step backwards in terms of computing and everyone should recognize that.

There's the worthless UAC which offers no real security but does make using the OS an effort in clicking "Allow" every other minute.

There's the DRM that makes the PC less functional than XP and has been proven to reduce performance by about 10% and battery life by something like 50%.

There's the DRM that removes functionality from DirectX, causing games to run a good 10% slower or more.

There's the DRM that prevents open source drivers from running within Vista. Want to install an open source ext2 FS driver into Vista? Tough shit.

Vista is just bad, period. It's slower than XP, it requires something like 10 times the resources of XP in all regards (CPU, GPU, memory, disk space).

So, no, I'm not just going to shut up about it until people wake up and demand Microsoft FIX IT!

Re:Now can we all please just shut up about it? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22299292)

That Vista is out doesn't change 2K > XP. If my notebook worked on it, I'd still be on 2k. There was no reason to upgrade, and there still isn't. Unless you have some fancy stuff that needs drivers and the drivers will not work on 2k for some reason (even just artificial version checking). People have stopped saying it, but it's still true, and the lack of a need to upgrade to vista will continue to be true. I suspect a lot of people have to use it at work, so having it at home and not complaining is easier than buying a computer with XP, installing 2k, remembering the differences when you want to accomplish something, and complaining. Most of us, at least those of us who were around, remember it just fine, and 2k -> Vista is even more of a leap, therefore more of a reason to complain.

I also suspect the minimal install attempts in the next version will make it worth upgrading to, and you can sit back knowing that few people will say "not worth it"

Re:Now can we all please just shut up about it? (2, Insightful)

jollyreaper (513215) | more than 6 years ago | (#22299324)

Vista's maturing, and as it does it'll become a better operating system, and everyone will benefit, even if they don't use Vista. Microsoft still competes largely on the basis of being a de facto standard. Vista's release has caused them to lose this edge somewhat, and the window has opened for their competition, who compete mostly on features, to get a little lazy (Leopard, anyone?). Microsoft competing more vigorously on their stale plank, assuming they don't magically find traction they've been unable to find for years, can't do anything but help the products on the market.
I can accept birthing pains when bringing a revolutionary new product to the world. Unfortunately, I think the midwife confused the baby with the afterbirth.

I'm no software multi-billionaire but I don't really see an excuse for Vista having so many warts and rough edges, especially considering that it brings little new to the table. Microsoft has billions of dollars, they're not really beholden to anyone. If Vista really needed another year or two of polishing, why did they release early? Why couldn't they have brought a finished product to the market?

If a job's worth doing, it's worth doing right. If it's not worth doing right, it's probably a Microsoft product.

2 SPs in, 1 SP out, WINDOWS CAGE MATCH '08 (3, Funny)

davidwr (791652) | more than 6 years ago | (#22298854)

This week on WWE RAW we have the fight-to-the-death match of the century - brother against brother - OS against OS.

Will the newly-upgraded Microsoft XP Service Pack 3 be able to take on its younger brother Vista with Service Pack 1 or will it be too old in the tooth to stand up to its sibling?

In a fight scheduled to go several years and refereed by IT managers worldwide with the bragging rights of the very name "Windows" on the line, the world will find out which is the better OS.

Stay tuned for

Microsoft Windows XP Service Pack 3
vs.
Microsoft Windows Vista Service Pack 1

this week on WWE Raw.

Re:2 SPs in, 1 SP out, WINDOWS CAGE MATCH '08 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22299016)

In a fight scheduled to go several years and refereed by IT managers worldwide with the bragging rights of the very name "Windows" on the line, the world will find out which is the better OS.
*meanwhile* Tux comes up from behind with his Katana and ends this shit once and for all.

3 different programs for analyzing crashes? (4, Insightful)

InadequateCamel (515839) | more than 6 years ago | (#22298946)

"The information we collect thanks to tools like the Customer Experience Improvement Program, Online Crash Analysis, and Windows Error Reporting..."

For a company so adept at spinning information into pro-MS propaganda (much like any big company, mind you), you would think that they would do a better job of obfuscating the fact that they have at least 3 different channels for collecting program crash information!

Re:3 different programs for analyzing crashes? (2, Insightful)

westlake (615356) | more than 6 years ago | (#22299302)

you would think that they would do a better job of obfuscating the fact that they have at least 3 different channels for collecting program crash information!

Online Crash Analysis takes you to the crash analysis site on reboot - and a plain English explanation of the problem and any known fixes. It is one reason why the BSOD jokes on Slashdot have gone stale.

Reading the infospeak (4, Funny)

SlowMovingTarget (550823) | more than 6 years ago | (#22298958)

OK, so I'm trying to read the press announcement and my eyes keep glazing over. What I get is this:

Service Pack 1 wank wank wank wank, wank-wank, wank-wank-wank. Wank wank new OnLine Blame Casting System wank wank, synergy wank-wank going forward.

I really just want to know if they include the flying chairs screen saver. Although granted, Vista's DRM will kick in and turn the screen blank...

exFAT and other OS (1)

Jackdaw Rookery (696327) | more than 6 years ago | (#22299044)

Anyone know the intentions on Microsoft when it comes to exFAT?

Will it hold tight, like it has on NTFS, or allow cheap access to the net version of FAT?

I want exFAT on OS X ...

The whole bloody article is marketspeak . . . (1)

mmell (832646) | more than 6 years ago | (#22299244)

How's 'bout some hard fact 'bout what they're fixin'? And, er, um - what'll it break and how long 'til SP2 fixes it?

Server2008 vs. XP and Vista (1)

neostorm (462848) | more than 6 years ago | (#22299316)

I need a 64 Bit OS. XP64 is too unsupported, and Vista won't even install on my hardware (don't know why, tried everything, there's nothing odd about my setup though). Someone turned me towards Server2008, which I downloaded from Microsofts site right away. I haven't installed it yet, but wanted to ask the community what its pros and cons were compared to both XP and Vista.
How would it fare as a workstation OS? Is it at all hampered by the memory hogging components that Vista uses? How about privacy? Why is it not getting as much press as Vista and XP as a viable alternative?

Thanks to anyone who can enlighten me on this!
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