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Andover.Net and VA Linux Join Together

CmdrTaco posted more than 14 years ago | from the and-I-can't-really-talk-about-it dept.

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As you may have heard, VA Linux and Andover.Net are gonna be joining up. We thought it would be dishonest not to say something about it, but as you probably understand, we're sorta restricted in what we can say. Of course, you can say whatever you want, and you can read the press release if you're curious about some of the details. Creative control of Slashdot will remain where it always has been.

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FIRST ANDOVER RANT` (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1308856)

ANDOVER! LEAVE SLASHDOT ALONE. IT'S GONE DOWNHILL SINCE YOU TOOK OVER!

wow! (2)

Cybersonic (7113) | more than 14 years ago | (#1308857)

i just want to know when RedHat and VA will merge :)

Join together? (3)

jonathansen (68749) | more than 14 years ago | (#1308858)

It sounded more like an acquistion of Andover, to me.
--

As an Andover.Net sharholder... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1308859)

<sigh of relief>. Some idiot bought this stock when it IPO'd at $90. I bought @ $84 (never buy without a limit!).

Does this mean that VALinux is trying to become the M$ of the movement??

Only RedHat can save us...

Consolidation (1)

michaelsimms (141209) | more than 14 years ago | (#1308860)

Hmmm, so what is the focused market going to be? Selling hardware with a linux distro with netscape on it that by default points to slashdot {:-)

In all seriousness, good luck guys, the more big companies we have on our side, the more market clout we all have for Linux!

Deluxe apartments in the sky (1)

Chang (2714) | more than 14 years ago | (#1308861)

You guys are like the Jeffersons, movin' on up!

That's Pressure for VaLinux! (1)

waldoj (8229) | more than 14 years ago | (#1308862)

Wow, if your servers ever poop out on you, there ain't *no* excuse good enough! :)

Why is Slashdot so slow? (3)

Romen (10819) | more than 14 years ago | (#1308863)

Linux Daily News [lwn.net] had Slashdot scooped on this issue by more than an hour, and I submitted this half an hour ago. It was promply rejected. I sort of wonder why Slashdot is now the last news source to get anything, even when it's about them.

Cool (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1308864)

Now maybe Slashdot can get better servers so we stop getting 502's.

thank you.

server51 and sourceforge? (5)

ruud (7631) | more than 14 years ago | (#1308865)

How does this affect the server51 [freshmeat.net] (Andover) and sourceforge [sourceforge.net] (VA) projects, since they both appear to have similar goals?
--

Heh... (2)

Teferi (16171) | more than 14 years ago | (#1308866)

Glad I held on to some of my VA stock, considering what mergers tend to do to stock prices. :)
"If ignorance is bliss, may I never be happy.

Hmmmm (3)

FascDot Killed My Pr (24021) | more than 14 years ago | (#1308867)

Sorta puts that postponed Larry Augustin interview into a new light, eh?

BTW, you are opening yourselves to a lot of jokes by saying "Creative control...remains where it's always been".
--
Java banners:
Bad for users because Java kills Netscape

OPEN SOURCE JOINING (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1308868)

STAR (as in hot young actress) WARS

chapter vi
a story of tender love



natalie portman has returned to her home town of albany new york to rescue her friend, mae ling mak, from the clutches of the vile gangster, naked & petrified guy.

little does natalie know that the evil open source empire, led by esr, has begun construction on a new sendmail daemon.

once completed, this new daemon will spell certain doom for the natalie portman fan-club, ending their means of sending fan-mail...


* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *


open source man arrives at the development house. workers are scuttling about attempting to look busy.

project leader: open source man, this is an unexpected pleasure. we are honored by your presence.

open source man: you may dispense with the pleasantries, project leader. i am here to put you back on schedule.

project leader: i assure you, open source man, my men are working as fast as they can.

open source man: perhaps i can find new ways to motivate them!

project leader: the new sendmail daemon will be completed on schedule!

open source man: esr does not share your optimistic appraisal of the situation.

project leader: but he asks the impossible! i need more volunteers!

open source man: then perhaps you can tell him when he arrives here.

project leader: esr is coming here?!

open source man: that is correct, project leader, and he is most displeased with your apparant lack of progress.

project leader: we shall double our efforts!

open source man: i hope so, project leader, for your sake. esr is not as forgiving as i am.


* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *


thank you.

First Post (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1308869)

and I can't really talk about it!

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Re:FIRST ANDOVER RANT` (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1308870)

Its like downhill skiing... its best going down and its all downhill from here!

I'm from slashdot's first days and would have to say its only gotten much more interesting over the years.

More prizes... (1)

jyak (112533) | more than 14 years ago | (#1308871)

Does this mean you will give away workstations now? :)

A few thoughts... (4)

dougman (908) | more than 14 years ago | (#1308872)

First, I like the idea of Andover and VA Linux marrying. Both companies seem to be to be of the rare breed that "get it", and seem to do the right thing in almost all circumstances.

I'm wondering how this would affect the potential for Slashdot in the future to on it's own, or in partnerships, expand into other subject areas with its brand of site design and format. Granted, with the emergence of the open source Slash engine and PHPSlash, dozens of Slashlings are sprouting up everywhere (my own site included).

I guess I was just thinking at some point down the road that a "portal" or "index" of Slash-based sites covering a wide array of subject areas would emerge, either under the direct auspices of SlashDot, or some other party...I'm not sure how this acquisition would affect that scenario, tho.

Either way, I'm not disaffected. I think it's a great merger and I can't wait to see the results of the open Slash engines on the 'net.

humor (3)

Signal 11 (7608) | more than 14 years ago | (#1308873)

Creative control of Slashdot will remain where it always has been.

With the auto-posting perl scripts?

Andover sale (1)

a9db0 (31053) | more than 14 years ago | (#1308874)

Quite frankly I was surprised that I read about this hours ago on CNNfn before any notice ever appeared here. I even submitted a story [cnnfn.com] to get it reported here.

The critical question remains - does the editorial control agreement that Rob and Jeff have with Andover transfer intact to VA?

CNN Entertainment (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1308875)

CNN Entertainment [dorsai.org]

Thank you.

Re:Heh... (1)

brunes69 (86786) | more than 14 years ago | (#1308876)

Mergers don't always do good things to stock prices. have you been watching the AOL stock plunge after the Time-Warner merger?

ZDNet has an article as well.. (2)

BilldaCat (19181) | more than 14 years ago | (#1308877)

It can be found here [zdnet.com] .

The Future of Slashdot? (5)

348 (124012) | more than 14 years ago | (#1308878)

-- Consolidate the complementary networks of VA (including Linux.com, Sourceforge.net, and Themes.org) and Andover.Net (including Slashdot.org and Freshmeat.net) to create the Internet's leading destination for Open Source developers, with nearly two-thirds of the total traffic of major Open Source sites and putting the combined network in the top 100 web destinations worldwide;

Oh boy, here it comes. All this is well and good, but how does it affect /.? This is not intended as flamebait but I think that since Andover bought /. The quality has gone downhill, mostly due to the increased traffic which also increases the trolls and the fray. When VA Linux takes over I'm curious how the flavor of /. Will change. Will added participation and content value come through more participation (on a massive scale)? Will the /. model change, part of what make slashdot so successful is the simplicity of the model. Time will tell, but I think that VA will add bureocracy and overhead to the site and change it in a way that takes it furthur from what has made it so great.

Never knock on Death's door:

Good match (1)

Hydrophobe (63847) | more than 14 years ago | (#1308879)

Makes sense to marry the linux.com domain with the top Linux content and community sites.

Congratulations all around.

andover taken into the fold. (1)

AdamT (7312) | more than 14 years ago | (#1308880)

Well I don't mind saying I'm delighted VA Linux is
going to be the senior partner in this arangement.
No offence to the slashdot folk or the freshmeat
guys (guy?) - I'm just pleased to see the 'heavy hitters' of Linux
content under the banner of a company thats proved
itself capable of more than just buying other people.
Congrats to slashdot for making andover buyable :)

Creative Control? Huh? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1308881)

To have Creative Control one would Imply Creativity. HAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAA Oh wait ::wipes a tear from his eye:: where was i.... BHWHWHAHahhahahahHahaHahAHhaHAhHahhAhha

Great day in the morning... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1308882)

Well...it would seem you need a scorecard to keep track of all this stuff. At least VA Linux has a concrete product to generate revenue with.

My advice to all of the shareholders is to SELL SELL SELL. I'm not a wall street genius (hell I'm not even a wall street nudnick) but I see no way that these/this company can generate revenues that will justify its' marketcap.

-Anyone interested in filing a class action suit against the Nethack dev team for causing sleep depravation please email frank_rizzo000@hotmail.com. If those nit-wits can sue AOL for 8 billion I figure we can get a couple mill from the nethack coders

Congratulation (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1308883)

I had a feeling something like this was in the works. There has has been more businesses, more linux all over the place. I bought at 56. I should of bought more at 26. Linux WILL continue to expand in 2000!

Congrats, guys... (4)

SEE (7681) | more than 14 years ago | (#1308884)

But of course you're now going to have to fire Jon Katz, because now you're one of those big media conglomerates... ;-)

Steven E. Ehrbar

hopefully things will change for the better... (1)

Mr. T (115438) | more than 14 years ago | (#1308885)

I am concerned that creative control will remain where it has always been (since the Andover takeover)... in the not-so-capable hands of Andover.Net Editor-In-Chief, Robin "Roblimo" Miller. (Anyone for an article on "how to pick up chicks"?) VA has done a good job with Linux.Com, etc... hopefully this will "raise the bar" as far as Slashdot is concerned. I know this is almost cliche now, but I remember the *old* Slashdot... *sigh*.

Humor/Hype (3)

Duxup (72775) | more than 14 years ago | (#1308886)

So I'm at VA's site and I see the following press release titled:
"VA Linux to Acquire Andover.Net in Most Significant Transaction in Linux History"
I can't help but giggle a little at the hype. I appreciate that this important to me and allot of other /. users but the tittle just seems to imply allot more than there is to it. I'm trying to picture Mr. T (Linus) and such people running around calling people saying "Oh my god! This is 'Most Significant Transaction in Linux History'"
Sometimes corporate hype is just too darned funny to take seriously.

First haiku! (5)

Frank Sullivan (2391) | more than 14 years ago | (#1308887)

Creative control stays
with Anonymous Cowards,
Natalie Portman

---

Why why why? (2)

Rombuu (22914) | more than 14 years ago | (#1308888)

So what the hell does a hardware company need with a company that provides content? Why does VA think it can run Andover better than Andover? Do VA's shareholders benefit from this?

(Note, these are all rhetorical questions... the answer is, simply, that "Internet companies" have higher stock multiples, and VA will get a nice bump in their stock price with this).

Too powerful? (2)

Smack (977) | more than 14 years ago | (#1308889)

Is anyone else disturbed by this conglomeration of power? Andover has already bought most of the good Linux sites. VA Linux is busy sucking up the others, as well as other random companies. If Red Hat merges with VA someday, won't all our eggs be in one basket?

Congrats, guys... (3)

luge (4808) | more than 14 years ago | (#1308890)

Frankly, I'd been occasionally worried about Andover's direction and commitment to free software, but I absolutely trust VA and their commitment, so in that sense I welcome VA's involvement. It also seems that since VA is getting so heavily into the media side of things themselves, this match makes a lot of sense and will reduce the squandering of resources by the movement as a whole. (server51 and sourceforge really just seemed like good ideas that didn't need to be competing against each other.)
Good luck, Rob- I remember the days when I contemplated getting some CD's through your links so you'd get some spare change from CDNow. Glad to see things have changed for you all.
~luge

Becau$e,Becau$e,Becau$e, (2)

348 (124012) | more than 14 years ago | (#1308891)

"Andover.Net and VA are a perfect match," said Bruce Twickler, CEO of Andover.Net. "We both believe in the future of Open Source. We both believe that live software communities on the Net are more important than packages that ship once every three years and companies that simply intermediate between developers and users."

Back the ethics truck up for a minute. I believe that Twickler and Augustin believe in the profit stemming from the future of open source. They are profit modivated period. That's their job, they have to make money for the investors and the bankers.

Never knock on Death's door:

Creative control... (3)

donfede (6215) | more than 14 years ago | (#1308892)

Rob and others at slashdot. I (and so far the other posts) are happy for your success...

But, regardless of the fact that you state "Creative control of Slashdot will remain where it always has been"... I find it difficult to believe that slashdot can really remain as independant as it was (especially when it was completely self run). I (and surely many others) come to slashdot because of the independant perspective presented by the editors and next by the readers. The quality/independance of the editors has already gone down since the andover purchase, I fear what will happen now that slashdot it owned by valinux...

donfede

Re:wow! (2)

cloudmaster (10662) | more than 14 years ago | (#1308893)

I'd guess they'll merge right after all the better distributions go away... :)

--From the makers of lumpy linux

Stock (1)

Bad Mojo (12210) | more than 14 years ago | (#1308894)

When does SlashDot IPO? I want to buy stock. Pretty please?


Bad Mojo

Re:The Future of Slashdot? (4)

mochaone (59034) | more than 14 years ago | (#1308895)

but I think that since Andover bought /. The quality has gone downhill, mostly due to the increased traffic which also increases the trolls and the fray

I disagree. I think it's fashionable to wax nostalgic once something loses its "newness" or feeling of exclusivity. All I know is I keep coming back here 20 times a day to see what's going on becuase Slashdot does it better than any other site I know. Let's give them credit for working very hard to handle the explosive growth. They're working very hard and, in my estimation, getting better all the time.

server51 (3)

dieman (4814) | more than 14 years ago | (#1308896)

Everyone knows this is all about server51. sourceforge.org is to become the nexus of opensource... With server51 in the picture, they saw an opportunity where there could be competition, not cooperation. I think that the server51 dudes and sourceforge dudes will be hooked up and all will be good.

I dont think server51 had the hardware resources VA had. Just think.... the sourceforgenetwork. A whole ton of "mini" sourceforges that differ in setup and stuff like that. Heh.. perhaps not

Perhaps there will be skinning of sourceforge :)

Have a good one out to Andover and VA.

Re:Join together? (1)

Jburkholder (28127) | more than 14 years ago | (#1308897)

yes indeed:

The transaction is expected to be completed during VA Linux Systems' third fiscal quarter and will be accounted for as a purchase.

50% of internet Linux destinations? (1)

drnomad (99183) | more than 14 years ago | (#1308898)

They have now 50 percent of Linux destinations?

Hope these guys aren't going for the monopoly-price?

Re:Why is Slashdot so slow? (2)

mind21_98 (18647) | more than 14 years ago | (#1308899)

Maybe because they're biased to the point that they don't report negative news about themselves (only about Linux related information).

Ars Technica seems to be much better at providing computer-related news now, and their site is cleaner too. I'm considering switching permanantly to them.

An hour is slow? (2)

Duxup (72775) | more than 14 years ago | (#1308900)

Granted some important stuff is missed and comes much too slow and has been getting somewhat worse here. However I think an hour is pretty acceptable. If everything came up within a day of when the news broke I'd be quite content.

Re:The Future of Slashdot? (2)

luge (4808) | more than 14 years ago | (#1308901)

Andover always struck me as a company that saw Linux as a money-making opportunity, and Rob's comments about their occasional early attempt to influence his content only affirmed that.
VA, on the other hand, has always done the right thing by the community, and since it has always been a Linux company (unlike Andover, who were a failing "tech" company before /.) I think it's commitment is much more genuine. I can't imagine that they'd burden Rob with anything he doesn't want or need- Larry Augustin used to post here, ages and ages ago- he knows what this site is about.
~luge

No comment (3)

FascDot Killed My Pr (24021) | more than 14 years ago | (#1308902)

"...we're sorta restricted in what we can say..."

"Creative control will remain where it's always been."
--
Java banners:
Bad for users because Java kills Netscape

Re:The Future of Slashdot? (4)

BenHmm (90784) | more than 14 years ago | (#1308903)

you're not making sense...how does the ownership of a site make any difference when the site itself is created by its users.

I don't want to denigrate the good Cmdr, Hemos et al, but their role is actually quite limited to keeping the thing running...it's the users that make the content. VA linux - or anyone else -can't change any of that.

If the quality has gone downhill because of increased traffic, that isn't because andover is driving the traffic here - just that slashdot is good, and people just want to come along and join in.

Re:Why why why? (1)

Cool Hand Luke (16056) | more than 14 years ago | (#1308904)

Maybe they've seen how much space /. devotes to all things Linux? Maybe /. should replace its tagline: "News for Linux Geeks. Stuff that matters (to Linux Geeks)."?

VA could point to /. and call it a Linux discussion site.

BTW, shouldn't ./ be a .com now, instead of an .org?

George Lee

Re:The Future of Slashdot? (1)

snookums (48954) | more than 14 years ago | (#1308905)

Perhaps more participation will not be a bad thing. I forsee a future in which the existing section structure of /. is more strongly emphasised. If people only read (and commented on) those sections that interested them, the signal-to-noise ratio should go back up.
To break things up like this requires a certail critical size of readership as a whole, to ensure that the current lively discussion continues in each of the various sections. Pulling in VA customers/associates might push things over the line.

Rodd

Re:server51 and sourceforge? (3)

Fat Cow (13247) | more than 14 years ago | (#1308906)

"-- Consolidate the complementary networks of VA (including Linux.com,
Sourceforge.net, and Themes.org) and Andover.Net (including
Slashdot.org and Freshmeat.net) to create the Internet's leading
destination for Open Source developers"

they will consolidate, if they do what they say in the press release

Re:Andover sale (1)

chromatic (9471) | more than 14 years ago | (#1308907)


Rob is on the Andover Board of Directors. (See the SEC filings.) I think they call him "Mr. Malda". So don't worry too much.

--

Re:humor (1)

tono (38883) | more than 14 years ago | (#1308908)

Creative control of Slashdot will remain where it always has been.

With the trained chimps and grits boy?

Re: Re:Why why why? (1)

Cool Hand Luke (16056) | more than 14 years ago | (#1308909)

Not that /. doesn't discuss other topics. It just seems that there's more discussion of Linux than anything else (other than N. Portman...) ;)


George Lee

Re:Why is Slashdot so slow? (1)

Jburkholder (28127) | more than 14 years ago | (#1308910)

I would imagine there was some back and forth about what can be said and when. Doesn't suprise me too much. But then, Slashdot can be just generally slow to pick up some stories, it seems.

Re:The Future of Slashdot? (1)

ucblockhead (63650) | more than 14 years ago | (#1308911)

I suspect the increased traffic (and the trolls, etc. it brings) are due more to the increasing prominence of Linux than they are to the purchase of /..

we need to see slashdot.COM (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1308912)

This is about as commercial as it gets- Get rid of that .org !!!

Re:A few thoughts... (3)

doodzed (35795) | more than 14 years ago | (#1308913)

>>First, I like the idea of Andover and VA Linux >>marrying. Both companies seem to be to be of the >>rare breed that "get it", and seem to do the >>right thing in almost all circumstances.

I met most of the VA crew including Larry a few years ago and was impressed. They do get it. Both the business and the linux side.

They are the only company who I would buy an assembled computer from. They do it right. The machines that we bought from them run 100% stable and have never given us problems. They are not alway the cheapest, but the quality AND support we got was worth it.

On the personal side they were doing linux before it became fashionable. They also tend to know what is going on in the community. Recently they have been hiring like mad, snagging developers(ie. Raster and Mandrake) like crazy. Not all of these guys are as high profile, but a lot of them are really important. Few other companies contribute as much as them even though they are not a software house.

Re:server51 and sourceforge? (1)

HeUnique (187) | more than 14 years ago | (#1308914)

Let me see..

Server 51 got few dozens of projects..
Sourceforge got more than 1000

hmmm... (calculating numbers with his old 8086 processor)... :)

Kill server 51...

Sorry, business is business..

Re:Heh... (1)

Smack (977) | more than 14 years ago | (#1308915)

Yeah, mergers tend to make one go up and the other down. Guess you bet on the wrong one... :)

Re:Creative control... (1)

luge (4808) | more than 14 years ago | (#1308916)

What can they possibly make him do? Say VA machines are good? There really aren't any other conflicts of interest (that I can see), and even Linux.com (which had no independent history outside of VA) has remained completely free of bias (as far as I can tell.) Yeah, everybody likes to bitch about conglomerates, but complaints about this one seem to be completely unjustified- there is no evidence of prior control of their other sites, and they have always been OSS/free software fans, not johnny-come-latelies like so many other.
~luge(Disclaimer: This was written on an ass-kicking VA box!)

Re:As an Andover.Net sharholder... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1308917)

<I>I'm sorry if you and the rest of the Linux community are too uneducated to realize it, but that's how America works.</I>

First off, Linux didn't start with money.
Secondly, it is actually useful for something, and hardware aside, it's still possible to make use of it for free.
There is a difference. Money is not the end-all. Sure folks get rich from Linux, but if *everyone* working on Linux one day sells out, to the point where there's too much quantity and too little quality, do you think the same people posting here will be praising it? Hell no. They'll pick up something else.
That's how it got in. The mainstream was crap, Linux was free and IT WORKED.

Something I don't like about this... (2)

Telcontar (819) | more than 14 years ago | (#1308918)

"Consolidate the complementary networks of VA (including Linux.com, Sourceforge.net, and Themes.org) and Andover.Net (including Slashdot.org and Freshmeat.net) to create the Internet's leading destination for Open Source developers, with nearly two-thirds of the total traffic of major Open Source sites and putting the combined network in the top 100 web destinations worldwide."

This means that one source is controlling 2/3 of all Open Source web pages! No one else hearing alarm bells ringing? It is really important to have no monopoly in the media, especially in this case where Open Source is going to have a strongly increasing influence on society.

Re:Why is Slashdot so slow? (2)

Jburkholder (28127) | more than 14 years ago | (#1308919)

Had it been the other way-round, (slashdot scooped others by an hour) what would we say then?

Well, looky! Slashdot is already the PR mouthpeice of VA and Andover! What happened to journalistic integrity and independance?

Reminds me of... (1)

bobalu (1921) | more than 14 years ago | (#1308920)

Meet the new boss
Same as the old Boss...

Re:server51 and sourceforge? (3)

Sanity (1431) | more than 14 years ago | (#1308921)

From my brief look at Server 51, SourceForge is lightyears ahead in terms of functionality - I don't think there is much question as to which will be folded into which!

--

Should be bettter overall! (2)

cruise (111380) | more than 14 years ago | (#1308922)

This can only be good news.

IMHO Andover has done crap with the money earned from their IPO while companies like RedHat and VA Linux have taken their money and put it to good use.

This makes me happy, andover hasn't made a penny while VA was in the black when they went public. Obviously Andover is getting the sweet end of the stick on this deal.

As for creative control.. I think the Tacos of this {/. world} might be in for a shock when they suddenly are required to take some stock in the words they publish. I somehow do not feel VA-Linux-in-charge would stand so quietly over something like the /. "interview" and the severe disrespect towards the /. community's very basic and simple questions.

Great news to hear... It can only mean more for /. with VA Linux in the picture.


They are a threat to free speech and must be silenced! - Andrea Chen

It would be nice but i don't think so (1)

Duxup (72775) | more than 14 years ago | (#1308924)

I can't see a reason Andover (or now VA) would ever want to divest /. Holding all the chips to in that pile keeps their net worth nice and high, selling some off would do the opposite.

Nice try, Grasshopper. (1)

The HaikuMaster (71554) | more than 14 years ago | (#1308925)

Creative control
is always held by the ones
who hold the purse strings.

Impressive Combination of Services and Talent (3)

dave_aiello (9791) | more than 14 years ago | (#1308926)

I have to admit that I didn't understand what VA Linux meant when they said that they wanted to expand into Linux-oriented services. I originally thought that they would roll out services that supported their hardware business. Now, I see that they mean to provide services to support OpenSource development. This means that VA has undergone a pretty amazing transformation. Does this mean that the hardware end of the company is less strategically important than it was yesterday?

I think that their track record of support for major Open Source projects ensures that the Slash Engine will continue to be a strong project. I'm not sure what this will mean for the project that is called Area 51. It will be interesting to see how SourceForge and Freshmeat interact.

In any case, I think a combined VA-Andover has a tremendous supply of proven talent. They have the people in place to create a lot of new and interesting software and Web Sites. I think it will be interesting to see whether the majority of these people will stick around, or if they will leave, as many did when RedHat bought Cygnus.

--

Dave Aiello

The biggest name in Linux? (3)

348 (124012) | more than 14 years ago | (#1308927)

"This acquisition moves VA Linux forward on the path to being the biggest name in Linux and Open Source,"

This is flatly not true. If they wanted the biggest name in the Linux and Open Source community, they should have gone for:

VA LINUX
Or,
VIRGINIA LINUX
Or,
VIRGINIA LINUX
Or,
V-I-R-G-I-N-I-A L-I-N-U-X
Or,
V-I-R-G-I-N-I-A L-I-N-U-X
Or,
ANDOVERDOTNET A WHOLELY OWNED SUBSIDIIARY OF VIRGINIA LINUX INCORPORATED
Or,
ANDOVERDOTNET A WHOLELY OWNED SUBSIDIIARY OF VIRGINIA LINUX INCORPORATED
Or,
A-N-D-O-V-E-R-D-O-T-N-E-T A W-H-O-L-E-L-Y O-W-N-E-D S-U-B-S-I-D-I-I-A-R-Y O-F V-I-R-G-I-N-I-A L-I-N-U-X I-N-C-O-R-P-O-R-A-T-E-D
Or,
A-N-D-O-V-E-R-D-O-T-N-E-T A W-H-O-L-E-L-Y O-W-N-E-D S-U-B-S-I-D-I-I-A-R-Y O-F V-I-R-G-I-N-I-A L-I-N-U-X I-N-C-O-R-P-O-R-A-T-E-D
Or, A-N-D-O-V-E-R-D-O-T-N-E-T A W-H-O-L-E-L-Y O-W-N-E-D S-U-B-S-I-D-I-I-A-R-Y O-F V-I-R-G-I-N-I-A- L-I-N-U-X I-N-C-O-R-P-O-R-A-T-E-D, O-W-N-E-R-S O-F S-L-A-S-H-D-O-T
Or better yet,
A-N-D-O-V-E-R-D-O-T-N-E-T A W-H-O-L-E-L-Y O-W-N-E-D S-U-B-S-I-D-I-I-A-R-Y O-F V-I-R-G-I-N-I-A- L-I-N-U-X I-N-C-O-R-P-O-R-A-T-E-D, O-W-N-E-R-S O-F S-L-A-S-H-D-O-T

Never knock on Death's door:

Re:Why is Slashdot so slow? (2)

Cplus (79286) | more than 14 years ago | (#1308928)

I've been seeing little comments about this all over /. all morning and I wasn't surprised that they didn't break the story.

Think of it this way. This is a story that's going to affect Hemos, Taco, et al in a big way and their presentation of it is probably a lot more important than their presentation of other stories in that they will see a lot more criticism for this one. I would imagine that they all sat down at a big table in the geek compound for a couple of hours this morning sipping blueberry squishies and talking this out. It's no surprise that it took a while.

Wired News article....$850 million!?! (1)

mdemeny (35326) | more than 14 years ago | (#1308929)

The Wired News article stating the true value of the deal is available here [wired.com]

What does that work out to per Slashdot reader, I wonder?

Re:First haiku! (1)

Double A (34222) | more than 14 years ago | (#1308930)

A haiku should have
five syllables first, and then
seven, then five more.

Re:Why is Slashdot so slow? (2)

RedX (71326) | more than 14 years ago | (#1308931)

Actually I first read of this deal a few minutes before 7 AM EST (more than two and a half hours before /. posted it) on the ANDN message board over at Yahoo. I'm sure there are many, many stockholders of both ANDN and LNUX that read /. first thing in the morning that would have liked to know this news prior to the market opening. According to the VA press release, this was the "most significant transaction in Linux history" yet the leading site for Linux news and information is scooped by the entire Internet. VA's own press release was up for at least a half hour before /. posted the news, surely something could have been said earlier.

This would be great... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1308932)

... for Beowulf clusters running slash!

thank you

What does this mean to Andover shareholders? (2)

monaco (37517) | more than 14 years ago | (#1308933)

I'm not really financially-oriented, so could someone please explain what happens to Andover shareholders?

They get .425 VA Linux shares per Andover share, but then the press release mentioned something about cash payments?

Is there an accountant in the house? (2)

sethg (15187) | more than 14 years ago | (#1308934)

Can anyone suggest why VA is accounting for this as a purchase? I heard that many de facto buy-outs are accounted for as a "pooling of assets", because then it doesn't go on the books as an expense for the purchaser. Have the rules for this kind of thing been tightened recently, or does VA have some advantage in accounting for this as a purchase?
--
"But, Mulder, the new millennium doesn't begin until January 2001."

Re:Why is Slashdot so slow? (3)

DeadSea (69598) | more than 14 years ago | (#1308935)

The more I think about it, the more I would like a story queue and moderation of stories. I think there is a lot of news for nerds that doesn't get reported on slashdot because it is good but not great, or because there are a dozen better stories that day.

On days that I'm really bored at work, I'd like to be able to read 50 news for nerds stories, but on days when I'm busy, I'd like to be able to see just the cream of the crop, maybe 5 or so.

More stories! Moderate stories!Threshhold for stories!

Re:The Future of Slashdot? (1)

loom (35551) | more than 14 years ago | (#1308936)

Actually if you look at the comments on linux.com to be any indication, you'll see that the readership is indeed different. A lot of first time linux users there... but somehow I can't be sure if this is a good thing or a bad one for slashdot.

Re:First (non-haiku) haiku! (1)

StaticLimit (26017) | more than 14 years ago | (#1308937)

That's not a haiku!

Creative control stays is 6 sylables...
Cre-a-tive con-trol stays!

If you're going to post a first haiku, at least follow the structure ;)
Here [ahapoetry.com] 's a good site with some haiku style information. - StaticLimit

Re:The Future of Slashdot? (2)

Stephen (20676) | more than 14 years ago | (#1308938)

I think that since Andover bought /. The quality has gone downhill, mostly due to the increased traffic which also increases the trolls
I almost agree, except that is it anything to do with Andover? Wouldn't that increase in traffic have happened anyway?
Stop Lights Timed For 35mph Are Also Timed for 70mph.
17.5mph, surely, not 70mph? But that's not such a useful observation... :)

Re:What does this mean to Andover shareholders? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1308939)

As per SEC regulations, current Andover shareholders get hot grits poured down their pants.

thank you

You got it (1)

Duxup (72775) | more than 14 years ago | (#1308940)

I agree, the term "merger" seems way inaccurate. From the info on VA's site it sounds more like an acquisition. Not to say that is somehow "bad" compared to a merger being "good." The end results can be positive or negative regardless of the acquisition or merger.

server51 & sourceforge? (1)

FaKe (20419) | more than 14 years ago | (#1308941)

What's going to happen with server51 [freshmeat.net] of Andover and sourceforge [sourceforge.com] of VA? They seem to have the same purpose and whatnot

IMHO, I think server51 is a lot cleaner and more organized .. sourceforge seems like a mess to me when I browse randomly looking for stuff. Maybe the best direction for them to take is specializing s51 to a certain type of project, while making sourceforge the catchall of project hosting services.

Regardless, we'll never know the real opinions of those being affected by this acquisition. Personally, it would be nice to know what scoop (freshmeat & s51) really thinks about this hoopla.

Drivel (flame) (1)

Jon Peterson (1443) | more than 14 years ago | (#1308942)

VA Linux to Acquire Andover.Net in Most Significant Transaction in Linux History; Combined Network Creates the Leading Internet Destination in the Linux and Open Source Community

Well, that's a load of fucking crap for a start.

Re:Why why why? (1)

Chang (2714) | more than 14 years ago | (#1308943)

Actually, it looks like the news got out early.

VA was up 30 points yesterday, and now those people are profit taking this morning.

"we're sorta restricted in what we can say" (1)

Johnny Bananas (61723) | more than 14 years ago | (#1308944)

Maybe this deal will increase editorial independence/integrity. You didn't hear that kind of statement from the media outlets of Time Warner afeter the AOL deal--they are far enough removed that they are just another independent journalist. On the other hand, there is always the shameless "news" on ABC . . .

Re:Is there an accountant in the house? (2)

LLatson (24205) | more than 14 years ago | (#1308945)

My _guess_ is that they don't really want to make money right now. From the little I remember of my Accounting 101 class, companies have several years to prove they can make a profit. It is therefore to their advantage to _avoid_ a profit for the first few years, avoid paying taxes on any income, and build their business up. This of course will have to change within the next two or three years, but for now, they are tax-free.

Someone correct me if I'm wrong, please...
LL

Re:As an Andover.Net sharholder... (1)

OscarLoo (126712) | more than 14 years ago | (#1308946)

First off, Linux didn't start with money.

What does this mean? Was there some venture capital funding to start Microsoft that I've forgotten about?

Secondly, it is actually useful for something...

Spoken like a true Linux fanatic. A lot of people think Microsoft's software is "actually useful for something" and have proved that by paying big bucks for it.

Re:server51 and sourceforge? (3)

jd (1658) | more than 14 years ago | (#1308947)

They will be combined into a new service, to be called sourceserverforge51, which will list itself as "alien technology AND not alien technology".

The new company will be releasing their new auto-acquisition system "Andover va linux server, now!" sometime in the 2nd quarter.

In related news, reports of flying disks around Roswell, New Mexico, and the sight of a large number of men in tuxedos and dark glasses was hotly denied by an air-force official in a penguin suit, who claimed that Freshmeat's maintainers weren't even in the area at the time.

Re:Why is Slashdot so slow? (2)

mihalis (28146) | more than 14 years ago | (#1308948)

Ars Technica seems to be much better at providing computer-related news now, and their site is cleaner too. I'm considering switching permanantly
to them.

Or you could just surf both regularly, most ISPs allow this.

Re:Humor/Hype (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1308949)

This is 'Most Significant Transaction in Linux History'" Sometimes corporate hype is just too darned funny to take seriously.

I was not going to reply to this, bearing in mind the hostile reception my previous postings have received from the long-haired 15 year old "open source" Linux zealot brigade, but this time I cannot stay quiet while the profession and science of marketing is mocked and trivialised in this cruel, insensitive and hurtful way.

Do you guys have any idea what is involved in obtaining a marketing qualification ? The sheer volume of hard work is incredible, and unlike "open source" zealots, there is no "respect from your peers" or "kudos from the community" to be had. Instead we are villified by the very people we are trying to assist.

You describe our work as "hype". This is like calling Linux a program. or X11 a gui. They are both ways of life, just like being a marketeer is, and are equally valid.

This IS the most significant transaction in Linux's long and chequered history (which I have been following since the very beginning over 2 years ago), and to laugh at it is to trivialise the extreme importance.

By laughing at the marketers, you demean yourselves, and make yourselves look stupid to the average joe consumer, when it is your JOB to try and impress him with innovative great software

As a highly respected prectitioner of the science of marketing, I will not be argued with when I say, Without marketing, Linux is nothing.

Once again my "open source" opinions are free. (Although I seem to be fighting a losing battle)

dmg

Re:Why why why? (2)

irix (22687) | more than 14 years ago | (#1308950)

Also becuase Andover's stock has benn on a one-way downhill slope since it opened. It was only a matter of time before it slipped below the opening amount.

Now VA has all of these properties and the people at Andover (incl /.) are rich again.

I guess we can look forward to lots of anti-VA stories being posted now. Riiiight.

Re:server51 & sourceforge? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1308951)

It is my understanding that both projects will be terminated so VA Linux can concentrate on revenue-producing activities.

Re:As an Andover.Net sharholder... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1308952)

uuh...yes. M$ started with a buying out of QDOS. a lot of people dont know any better.

Re:server51 and sourceforge? (2)

Ed Avis (5917) | more than 14 years ago | (#1308953)

How will it affect Freshmeat [freshmeat.net] (owned by Andover) and LinuxApps [linuxapps.com] (a 'partner' of linux.com, owned by VA)?

Discussion now limited by SEC rules (1)

dzerkel (89036) | more than 14 years ago | (#1308954)

we're sorta restricted in what we can say

Slashdot, where you can talk about anything, as long as the SEC and VA Linux stockholders approve.

Doesn't seem like a good trend to me. A few more mergers and the only people left on SlashDot will be people not restricted by SEC or non-disclosures (ie, trolls). Maybe corporate control of open discussion sites isn't such a good idea.

Just mildly concerned...

Re:Why is Slashdot so slow? (2)

thimo (36102) | more than 14 years ago | (#1308955)

Since when is this negative news? I think this is good news, it creates a solid OS/FS front. Even stronger than they used to be, so this is good news!

I like /. a lot and it's still easy to ignore the articles/comments I don't want to read. Guess we won't see you much around anymore and I can't really say I'm sorry because I really don't care.

Thimo

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