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Apple Updates iPhone and iPod Touch

kdawson posted more than 6 years ago | from the how-to-get-buzz dept.

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u-bend writes "With little publicity Apple has released new, higher-capacity models of the iPhone and iPod Touch. The new iPhone boasts 16 GB of storage and is priced at $499 (the 8 GB model remains at $399), and the new iPod Touch has 32 GB, also priced at $499. Although the price is still pretty hefty, it indicates that the capacity/price ratio on these wireless flash-based players is starting to move in the right direction."

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I'm waiting (0, Offtopic)

BSDimwit (583028) | more than 6 years ago | (#22312454)

I'm waiting for 32GB and 3G.... oh and first post.

Re:I'm waiting (1)

mrxak (727974) | more than 6 years ago | (#22312508)

I've been waiting for a 32GB iTouch ever since the iPhone came out. Probably going to wait for them to get a little cheaper though. My needs for a large portable hard drive and a wifi device aren't immediate.

Re:I'm waiting (4, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22312702)

At the moment, the iPod touch does not function as a hard drive, unlike the other iPods. There is a workaround, you can hack it or use some third party programs to write to the media folder.

Re:I'm waiting (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22312914)

Even better, you can hack it and then put a file server on it! (i have both AFPd and SSHd installed on my iPhone. I'm waiting for someone to port SAMBA for my windows friends)

Re:I'm waiting (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22313322)

"waiting for someone to port SAMBA for my windows friends"

What for? Just tell your Windblows friends to use SSH. If they can't, then they can buck up for a GUI version.

Re:I'm waiting (-1, Troll)

x_MeRLiN_x (935994) | more than 6 years ago | (#22313196)

At the moment, the iPod touch does not function as a hard drive, unlike the other iPods. There is a workaround, you can hack it or use some third party programs to write to the media folder.
Informative? *sigh*

A hard drive is a piece of hardware. You cannot use software alone to manufacture hardware. Of course you knew that, but a hard drive is a box with magnets and platters that stores data. If the iPod Touch doesn't use its hard drive to store data, those that bought one are staying quiet about it.

You seem to be confusing "hard drive" with "general purpose file storage".

Re:I'm waiting (1)

T-Bone-T (1048702) | more than 6 years ago | (#22313362)

You seem to be confusing "like a hard drive" with "is a hard drive".

Re:I'm waiting (0, Redundant)

x_MeRLiN_x (935994) | more than 6 years ago | (#22313598)

You clearly missed the point.

I assume we agree that the Touch ships with a hard drive. You are saying that in normal conditions (i.e. an unmodified Touch) that hard drive is not behaving "like a hard drive".

If an object is an object, that object can only behave like said object.

I'm stumped.

Re:I'm waiting (2, Informative)

T-Bone-T (1048702) | more than 6 years ago | (#22313838)

I think you got a little confused. The Touch does NOT have a hard drive. It has two flash chips for storage(the iPhone has one chip). What he was saying is that you can't transfer files to an iPod Touch like it is a hard drive, you can only transfer media to it through iTunes.

Re:I'm waiting (4, Insightful)

toleraen (831634) | more than 6 years ago | (#22313842)

The iPod Touch does not use a hard drive to store data. It's flash memory based.

Seriously, how nit-picky do you need to get? Do you remind people that they're not really burning a DVD, but merely heating the dye on the disc?

Re:I'm waiting (2, Interesting)

Gat0r30y (957941) | more than 6 years ago | (#22313242)

You might want to get a DAVE [seagate.com]. 60GiB and you can stream video/music to your iPod Touch or iPhone (or a litany of other bluetooth/wifi enabled devices). Should be out sometime this year i think (the press release isn't entirely clear).

Almost there! (-1, Redundant)

sxltrex (198448) | more than 6 years ago | (#22312486)

I was waiting for 16GB so I can have a few movies, photos, and my entire song library on the thing at the same time. Now all it needs is voice dialing and I'm in!

Y0U F-U-D-G-E-P-A-C-K-E-R!!! Yes, you! (0, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22312758)

I am talking about you, mister moderator, the guy whose modpoint I am about to waste. Rofflelol!

All of that? (1)

Beastmouth (1144447) | more than 6 years ago | (#22313486)

I'm not sure if I should feel envy or pity that you can fit your entire music library (and a few movies!) in 16GB.

Dammit, now I need another excuse (4, Funny)

_xeno_ (155264) | more than 6 years ago | (#22312506)

Dammit, I had said that I didn't want an iPhone, but would like a device that was like the iPhone without the phone part.

Then Apple released the iPod Touch.

So I updated my excuse to be that it didn't have enough storage space, that I wanted at least 30GB of space before I'd make the leap.

And now they've released a 32GB version.

Now I need a new excuse explaining why I'm not going to get one...

(Seriously, though, I do intend to grab one eventually - it sounds like exactly something I'd want - but not quite yet.)

Re:Dammit, now I need another excuse (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22312632)

My god are you a fucking loser.

Will you cradle your iPhone in your arms at night?

Will you finally feel 'special' when you have one?

Will you sit around coffee houses desperately using it as visibly as possible hoping someone cute will strike up a conversation with you?

Apple really needs to include a 'L' tatoo, with a perfectly chosen font of course, for the pathetic fucks who buy iPhones to stick on their foreheads.

Re:Dammit, now I need another excuse (4, Funny)

Poltras (680608) | more than 6 years ago | (#22313186)

My god are you a fucking loser.

Will you cradle your iPhone in your arms at night?
Mine is named Sammy.

Will you finally feel 'special' when you have one?
It is my bestest friend, and I know he will not stab me in my back. Sammy talks to me, though I sometimes disregard his advice.

Will you sit around coffee houses desperately using it as visibly as possible hoping someone cute will strike up a conversation with you?
My sister is cute, and she always interrupts my conversations with Sammy...

Apple really needs to include a 'L' tatoo, with a perfectly chosen font of course, for the pathetic fucks who buy iPhones to stick on their foreheads.
I will tattoo Sammy's name over my heart soon. That's what friends do, right?

If love could be sent using SMS, I'd send you some.

Re:Dammit, now I need another excuse (5, Insightful)

SargentDU (1161355) | more than 6 years ago | (#22312726)

Just justify not having one because they cost too much and you do not have the money allocated for it. :)

Re:Dammit, now I need another excuse (1)

_xeno_ (155264) | more than 6 years ago | (#22312970)

Well, yeah, that's the real answer. Plus my current iPod still has quite a bit of life in it. When it finally does die, though, at least I have something to replace it with. With luck, the price will have gone down by then too.

But the original intention was more of a joke about all the people (myself included) who posted about how they didn't want an iPhone when it was originally introduced.

Re:Dammit, now I need another excuse (3, Funny)

MishgoDog (909105) | more than 6 years ago | (#22313508)

Damnit, I had exactly the same thought process as you...
Except that I don't have the excuse of my iPod having life in it - my 3rd Gen, 4.5 year old beast is has the battery life of a mouse. A mouse with no batteries.

Damnit. There goes (AU)$600...

Re:Dammit, now I need another excuse (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22313080)

That only works if you really think they cost too much, but just convince mom to let you eat her food for a month and you'll be able to save enough McWages to buy one. Then you can stop being bitter.

Funny use of tech words (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22313298)

I wonder how many of our kind actually notice how we tend to use tech words to describe non-tech ideas. Such as the idea of "allocating" money for purchases. While "allocate" is a perfectly valid word in this case, most non-techies would not use the word. Have you ever been talking to a non-techie about non-tech topics and watch their jaw drop at not being able to understand what you're talking about because you talk like a programmer or a hardware junkie?

Joe: I was going to compile a sandwich, but my failure to fulfill the requirements of the ingredients' dependency tree forced me to abort.
Smith: Huh?
Joe: I wanted to make a sandwich, but I didn't have any bread.
Smith: Why didn't you just say that?
Joe: while [ alive ]; do killall Smith; sleep 1; done;

Re:Dammit, now I need another excuse (3, Insightful)

fredmosby (545378) | more than 6 years ago | (#22313772)

It's odd that most people are willing to pay $20,000 for a car they drive 30 minutes a day but they aren't willing to spend $400 on a phone that they use all the time. Most people benefit more from having a good cell phone than a good car, and the difference between a good phone and a crappy phone is much more pronounced than the difference between a good car and crappy car.

Re:Dammit, now I need another excuse (0, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22312738)

Yeah, this is hard.

How about:

1) Requires iTunes.
2) Doesn't work with Linux.
3) Is laden with DRM.
4) Doesn't support popular codecs like OGG.
5) ONLY supports iTunes Music Store and not other, cheaper services.
6) Doesn't allow simple drag-and-drop access to copy music.
7) Software is locked down on the device.
8) Non-removable storage.
9) Non-removable battery.
10) Costs $500, much more than cheaper, more open-devices do.

There's more, but you get the idea. It's over-priced Apple crap. You can get a cheaper device that works just as well.

Re:Dammit, now I need another excuse (1)

milsoRgen (1016505) | more than 6 years ago | (#22312920)

1, 6 and 10? Is that correct? Do I win the toaster oven Bob?

I haven't used iTunes in a while... But I'm not impressed... I bought the amount of RAM I have to future proof my PC for a little while longer... Not so poorly designed programs can eat it up all willy nilly. (I'm looking at you as well, Nero!)

Re:Dammit, now I need another excuse (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22312936)

4) Doesn't support popular codecs like OGG.


You had me up until "OGG."

Re:Dammit, now I need another excuse (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22312974)

OGG is not a popular codec, sorry to burst your bubble there buddy.

Re:Dammit, now I need another excuse (1)

langelgjm (860756) | more than 6 years ago | (#22313040)

I know you're talking about the iPod Touch, but for regular iPods, RockBox [rockbox.org] handles just about all of those issues (except the non-removable storage and battery ones, obviously). It ain't always pretty, but it gets the job done.

Re:Dammit, now I need another excuse (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22313048)

1) Requires iTunes.

So? iTunes is free on both Mac and PC. Plus it completely rocks as a media player.

2) Doesn't work with Linux.

Hardly anyone uses Lunix outside of MIT and other geeky places. MacOS X is better than Lunix.

3) Is laden with DRM.

It can play all the stuff I've downloaded in MP3 or H.264 format so it's open as far as I can tell.

4) Doesn't support popular codecs like OGG.

I'd hardly call OGG "popular". Nobody uses it outside of the geeks who use Lunix.

5) ONLY supports iTunes Music Store and not other, cheaper services.

iTunes rocks so this is irrelevant.

6) Doesn't allow simple drag-and-drop access to copy music.

Drag and drop is complicated. I once dragged and dropped key system files to the trash and my computer was broken. Fucking Lunix.

7) Software is locked down on the device.

This is more secure.

8) Non-removable storage.
9) Non-removable battery.

These are so thieves do not steal my battery and removable storage card without my knowledge.

10) Costs $500, much more than cheaper, more open-devices do.

$500 is pennies. What is that, a few hours of work these days? I have 3 iPhones just for the fuck of it even though I only carry around one regularly. The other two are in different areas of my house so I can have easy access to the iPhone for looking up data if I should forget to carry it with me.

Re:Dammit, now I need another excuse (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22313344)

3) Not true. It can use a particular set of DRM but it is not necessary.
5) Not true. Amazon, eMusic, Lunchbox, Bleep etc. all work fine (or did you want to use DRM laden Napster, Rhapsody, etc.)

The rest all come down to preference and individual feature requirements. The only one that is a show stopper for me is #10.

What is up with you Drag and Drop people. If you were a real man you would use the command line, not some wimpy GUI. Or, like normal people with a life, you would get over you OCD fetish with file management.

But by all means let frothing continue.

Re:Dammit, now I need another excuse (5, Insightful)

Yokaze (70883) | more than 6 years ago | (#22313378)

1) Works with libgpod based programs (e.g. gtkpod or Amarok)
2) Which is developed primarily on Linux
3) Which you don't have to employ, but allows you to use the online shop with the most extensive range of products
4) Ogg isn't a popular codec. At best, it is popular container format, which it isn't neither.
5) Works with every store, which provides MP3s or AAC, which contary to Ogg Vorbis ARE popular formats.
6) See 1)
7) For which, for some unknown reasons, exist a very active developer community, and a shitload open source software. Maybe even more than for any other portable player, thankyouverymuch.
8), 9), 10) Point taken, but mainly a matter of taste.

Re:Dammit, now I need another excuse (1)

MostAwesomeDude (980382) | more than 6 years ago | (#22313614)

I have 20GB of Vorbis files and a 4G iPod modded to use Rockbox. Until Apple makes it possible for newer iPods to be flashed with Rockbox, I'm not buying a newer one. Oh, and it does require iTunes if you want to keep it up-to-date.

Re:Dammit, now I need another excuse (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22313616)

Dude, until it splits the atom, I'm not sold!

Re:Dammit, now I need another excuse (1)

joe 155 (937621) | more than 6 years ago | (#22313718)

As far as I am aware when it comes to the ipod touch (which I have) or the iPhone you can't use them on linux because they've changed how they move files (possibly to break this support). If I'm wrong I'd really like to know, but as far as I am aware through the searching that I did when I got it (not that long ago) it simply isn't the case that it works with linux.

Also, without hacking the device using firmware from a source who you almost fundamentally can't trust (and who'd want to do that on a device they go onto sign-in websites with) it is locked down to keep out the development community

Re:Dammit, now I need another excuse (4, Informative)

brass1 (30288) | more than 6 years ago | (#22313424)

1) Requires iTunes.
Not quite. For upgrades, probably. That's a lot like complaining that your car requires tires, though. iTunes and the iPod are a single package, not two different systems tied together.

Doesn't work with Linux.
Only if you don't want it to.

Is laden with DRM.
Only if you want it to be.

Doesn't support popular codecs like OGG.
I object to the use of "popular codecs" and OGG in the same sentence.

ONLY supports iTunes Music Store and not other, cheaper services.
wrong. [amazon.com]

6) Doesn't allow simple drag-and-drop access to copy music.
I believe manual music management was implemented for the Touch and the iPhone in 7.6, but I don't recall exactly. You've always been able to drag and drop into a play list (say, a master playlist that only syncs to your ipod...).

7) Software is locked down on the device.
oh? [tuaw.com] A velvet rope is not lock down.

8) Non-removable storage.
9) Non-removable battery.
The last 5 years tells us that no one cares. Over time more and more electronics manufactures are going to start doing this. There's really no need anymore to change the battery. The designed lifespan on the current generation of batteries is 3-5 years, which is just about the same as the designed lifespan for the devices themselves. Letting you add more storage to something that's basically a storage device makes little business sense.

10) Costs $500, much more than cheaper, more open-devices do.
for example?

Re:Dammit, now I need another excuse (2, Interesting)

sokoban (142301) | more than 6 years ago | (#22313458)

3) Is laden with DRM.
No, music bought from the iTunes store is DRM laden. The device isn't laden with DRM at all.

4) Doesn't support popular codecs like OGG.
Ogg is popular?

8) Non-removable storage.
I think that is considered a feature to most portable media player users. One of the main advantages of the players is that you don't have to carry around a bunch of media.

There's more, but you get the idea. It's over-priced Apple crap. You can get a cheaper device that works just as well.
If you find a device with identical features/quality/form factor please let me know. I would like an iPod touch, but the price is a little steep for the amount of capacity. Now, if they offered a slightly thicker iPod touch with the hard drive from the 160 GB iPod classic for $500, I'd probably bite.

Re:Dammit, now I need another excuse (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22313808)

Now, if they offered a slightly thicker iPod touch with the hard drive from the 160 GB iPod classic for $500, I'd probably bite.
--

As would I, and so would many others who like the idea of storing ALL their media on the their PMP. Hell they could even call it the iPod Touch HD, which would be bound to sell some units because HD is all the rage right now.

Sadly I don't think that Apple will introduce any new iPods with HDs in them other than updates to the classic

Re:Dammit, now I need another excuse (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22313494)

>1) Requires iTunes.

People tend to like iTunes, so that's not much of an issue.

>2) Doesn't work with Linux.

A lot of things don't work with Linux.

>3) Is laden with DRM.

No. There's only DRM issues if you buy protected content.

>4) Doesn't support popular codecs like OGG.

Yeah...about as popular like Linux.

>5) ONLY supports iTunes Music Store and not other, cheaper services.

Not true. The ipod plays MP3s just fine.

>6) Doesn't allow simple drag-and-drop access to copy music.

If you do it right, it can.

>7) Software is locked down on the device.

So...??? You could load RockBox if it's that important to you.

>8) Non-removable storage.

That's less of any issue than you think. I've had media players with removable storage for years, but I never utilized it. It was cheaper to buy a new player than to buy new memory.

Of course, if you're someone who just has to pack-rat hundreds of albums that you could never possibly listen for the sake of being anal, you might have a point. I never got my 40Gig ipod past 12Gig of music utilization, most of which I only listen to rarely, if at all. Now that I'm no longer a digital pack-rat, I realize 16 Gig is going to suit me fine for quite a while. If you've got the time to listen/watch 16 Gig of media, you don't have a life.

>9) Non-removable battery.

Yawn. One less thing to lose in my opinion, or to get scabbed by a leach. I used to think removable batteries were important, until I figured out there are simple gizmos that will let me use regular AA batteries in an "emergency".

>10) Costs $500, much more than cheaper, more open-devices do.

True, but it works a whole lot smoother than the open-devices now out there.

Re:Dammit, now I need another excuse (2, Insightful)

emjoi_gently (812227) | more than 6 years ago | (#22313540)

You don't buy a Touch as merely a music/video player.
If that's all you want, then there's other cheaper players.

You buy one because it's just a really really cool gadget.
People make lists of what is lacking in iPhones and Touchs, but if you actually use one, you'll understand.

The UI, the form factor... it's just a well designed, lovable, Apple thing.
When this mysterious SDK comes out and people start making quality programs for it then it will really shine.

Re:Dammit, now I need another excuse (4, Informative)

theurge14 (820596) | more than 6 years ago | (#22313638)

> 1) Requires iTunes.

There are 3rd party apps capable of loading music on iPods.

> 2) Doesn't work with Linux.

There are Linux apps capable of loading music on iPods.

> 3) Is laden with DRM.

Only if you purchase music from the iTunes Store, and then only if you purchase the DRMed tracks as the Store includes DRM free tracks.

> 4) Doesn't support popular codecs like OGG.

Contrary to Slashdot believe, OGG is not popular.

> 5) ONLY supports iTunes Music Store and not other, cheaper services.

iPods are able to work with Amazon's online store and any others that sell MP3s.

> 6) Doesn't allow simple drag-and-drop access to copy music.

You can drag any song you wish from the library to copy your music to the iPod or you can use the autosync feature.

> 7) Software is locked down on the device.

There is a Linux distro [ipodlinux.org] available for iPods.

> 8) Non-removable storage.

There are many guides on iPod drive replacement on the web.

> 9) Non-removable battery.

There are many guides on iPod battery replacement on the web.

> 10) Costs $500, much more than cheaper, more open-devices do.

Then please list any sub $499 32GB flash touch screen device that is more cheaper and more "open".

Re:Dammit, now I need another excuse (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22313764)

Assuming iPod Touch

> 1) Requires iTunes.
Optional, multiple third party applications
> 2) Doesn't work with Linux.
See point above
> 3) Is laden with DRM.
Optional, nobody is forcing you to use it
> 4) Doesn't support popular codecs like OGG.
Valid
> 5) ONLY supports iTunes Music Store and not other, cheaper services.
Wrong, it does not support other DRM'ed services, as long as they are DRM free you can use whatever service you please
> 6) Doesn't allow simple drag-and-drop access to copy music.
Matter of option, you can drag and drop in iTunes, third party applications, maybe OS X, just not IE, who gives a f.
> 7) Software is locked down on the device.
For now, SDK on the way this month
> 8) Non-removable storage.
Irrelevant, the device it self is a removable storage
> 9) Non-removable battery.
Valid
> 10) Costs $500, much more than cheaper, more open-devices do.
With similar hardware specs in same form factor?

I call FUD on 8 out of 10 points

Re:Dammit, now I need another excuse (1)

teh kurisu (701097) | more than 6 years ago | (#22313834)

3) Is laden with DRM.

You always have the option to not put any DRM-encumbered media on it.

Re:Dammit, now I need another excuse (2, Insightful)

powerlord (28156) | more than 6 years ago | (#22312740)

Go with the "I want a device I can plug any old pair of headphones into."

The iPhone (and I assume the Touch), have the headphone jack slightly recessed the plug won't work, unless it is straight with no excess rubber/plastic around the plug.

Stupid design, all they needed to do was not recess the plug, but right now the hardware design is broken.

Re:Dammit, now I need another excuse (1)

sammy baby (14909) | more than 6 years ago | (#22312834)

The iPhone (and I assume the Touch), have the headphone jack slightly recessed the plug won't work, unless it is straight with no excess rubber/plastic around the plug.


Possibly an incorrect assumption [macworld.com]. (I have no firsthand experience, though, so don't take my word for it.)

Re:Dammit, now I need another excuse (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22312868)

The iPod touch does not have the recessed headphone port, according to my googling.

Re:Dammit, now I need another excuse (2, Informative)

necro81 (917438) | more than 6 years ago | (#22312902)

The iPhone (and I assume the Touch), have the headphone jack slightly recessed the plug won't work

The headphone jack for the iPod Touch is flush with the bottom bezel, right next to the dock connector (visible in this 360 view [apple.com]). You should be able to plug in any set of headphones.

Re:Dammit, now I need another excuse (1)

berj (754323) | more than 6 years ago | (#22313054)

Incorrect assumption.

The headphone jack is fully accessible on the iPod Touch.

Re:Dammit, now I need another excuse (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22312748)

I'm already creeping towards full on my 30gb iPod. The iPod Touch looks nice, but if I'm going to fill it up in under a year... and that price is still really nasty. I want at least 40GB and sub $300 prices (though by the time that rolls around, I'll probably have over 40GB to store)

Re:Dammit, now I need another excuse (3, Insightful)

mini me (132455) | more than 6 years ago | (#22313074)

Protip: You don't need to load every single song in your collection on your iPod. Smart playlists are your friend.

Re:Dammit, now I need another excuse (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22312766)

me too, somewhat. I've been trolling Apple's refurb store on the unlikelyhood an 8GB would turn up, just to be a cheapass and save $50. I was about to give up last night and pay the full price, but then decided, I'll research this just a liiiittle bit more.

And now the 16GB comes out. 8GB units may show up eventually, but will I buy it or hold out for a 16GB (and add $150 to my budget.)

I have an iPod and can resign primary music listening to that in favor of an 8GB, but don't we all want more power! :)

Re:Dammit, now I need another excuse (3, Funny)

errxn (108621) | more than 6 years ago | (#22312882)

My excuse is not being able to get out of my f@#$ing Sprint contract without forking over another $200.

Mine is simple: I have Verizon Wireless (1)

KingSkippus (799657) | more than 6 years ago | (#22313302)

I'm sorry, but until Apple gets out of their exclusive contract with AT&T, the iPhone is a no-go for me. That's a show-stopper. I absolutely, positively, detest AT&T. In the past, they've screwed up my cable service, and they've screwed up my Internet access service twice. I simply do not have any faith that the company can do anything right. Plus, having been on Verizon for several years now, I'm happy to say that I'm not under one of those oppressive contracts, and they treat me rather well.

Why Apple would deliberately lock themselves out of a HUGE customer base of other carriers is beyond me. Surely they had to realize that the short-term perks they got from AT&T aren't worth it. (At least, I hope that if they didn't, they do now.)

So there you go, that's my excuse. It will be a cold day in hell before I buy an iPhone and get on AT&T's network, and I'm not willing to risk getting a $500 phone to tinker around with using those unlocking schemes. If they want my business, they're going to have to work with my preferred carrier.

As for the iTouch, whatever. I have an 80GB iPod already, I don't see the need to get a much more expensive 30GB model.

Re:Mine is simple: I have Verizon Wireless (1)

Firehed (942385) | more than 6 years ago | (#22313708)

I absolutely, positively detest all cell phone carriers. They all treat their customers awfully, overcharge, do a poor job of providing the services you're paying for, and do an abysmal job providing customer support. I've been on AT&T since a couple days after the iPhone launch, and they're no better or worse than Verizon who I used to use for my cell service. Any time I had to go into a Verizon store to get assistance, an upgrade, a new device, or really anything, it was an insane wait and I generally didn't end up with what I wanted anyways. The same was true the only time I was in an AT&T store, but at least they were rather apologetic about it. At least when I called 611 to deal with a service issue, they were rather straightforward with what was going on ("yes, service is unfortunately unavailable in that area due to xxx, we expect it to be back up at xxx, sorry about the inconvenience" - it wasn't much, but I didn't have to wait on hold for two hours).

Re:Dammit, now I need another excuse (1)

man_of_mr_e (217855) | more than 6 years ago | (#22313316)

Here's your excuse. No pen input.

That means you can't take notes, or draw things. No handwriting recognition, etc..

I was all set to buy an iPod Touch until I realized that this simple class of productivity app just wasn't included or even really capable of being used. Theoretically, they could use a tap-pad interface to enter notes, but that's clumsy and doesn't allow for free-form entry.

Good job Apple on the 32GB, now how about making it just a tad more useful.

Re:Dammit, now I need another excuse (1)

filterban (916724) | more than 6 years ago | (#22313836)

You actually want a stylus? Wow. Why don't you just buy a Newton and call it a day?

Seriously though... if there are enough people who want a stylus, presumably that could be addressed with the SDK. All you need is a stylus with a tip that has similar properties to a finger's conductivity and someone to write a version of MacPaint and away you go.

32 GB of flash?! (3, Interesting)

mrchaotica (681592) | more than 6 years ago | (#22312532)

You know, when you say "$499 for an iPod Touch" it sounds like a lot, but then you realize: manufacturers are charging twice that for 32GB flash hard drives. It's too bad it's not packaged usefully in the Touch; otherwise I'd cannibalize one for my laptop!

Re:32 GB of flash?! (2)

everphilski (877346) | more than 6 years ago | (#22312744)

Re:32 GB of flash?! (2, Interesting)

mrchaotica (681592) | more than 6 years ago | (#22312930)

The $190 one turns out to be a piece of crap if you read the reviews, and the next cheapest is $420. Of course, neither has the right form factor to fit in my 2.5" SATA drive bay anyway -- the cheapest to do that is the RiDATA, at $700.

Re:32 GB of flash?! (1)

everphilski (877346) | more than 6 years ago | (#22313146)

I can find, in under 5 minutes of googling, no less than 2 other manufacturers with 32 GB SATA 2.5" drives, under $450 price point. So there goes the theory of "waah, manufacturers are charging twice that for 32GB flash hard drives."

Re:32 GB of flash?! (1)

east coast (590680) | more than 6 years ago | (#22312760)

Really? [newegg.com]

And there are cheaper and more expensive models available. How about putting these up against a USB drive?

The bottomline is that these prices are all artificial and just comes down to what the customer is willing to pay.

Re:32 GB of flash?! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22312762)

"It's too bad it's not packaged usefully in the Touch; otherwise I'd cannibalize one for my laptop!"

Even if you could extract the flash and put it in your laptop the Magic Jobs Pixie Dust wouldn't work and you wouldn't have the same "I need to tinkle in my panties' feeling you get when using an iPhone or iPod Touch.

Re:32 GB of flash?! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22312962)

...the Magic Jobs Pixie Dust...

It's Pixar, doofus!

Re:32 GB of flash?! (1)

CopaceticOpus (965603) | more than 6 years ago | (#22312848)

Yes, how about an iPod Touch with an SD card reader? I'm already using SD cards as camera memory, thumb drive memory, and car stereo memory. I don't want to buy new storage every time I buy a new portable thing, nor do I want to throw away storage when the portable thing gets replaced.

(If you're curious, here is my car stereo [crutchfield.com]. I love having a USB port in the glove box!)

Re:32 GB of flash?! (4, Funny)

moderatorrater (1095745) | more than 6 years ago | (#22313090)

You know, when you say "$499 for an iPod Touch" it sounds like a lot
It sounds like a soliciting charge just waiting to happen.

Re:32 GB of flash?! (1)

fermion (181285) | more than 6 years ago | (#22313278)

Or, to look at it another way, Apple charges on the order of $1100 for the 64GB flash drive in the Macbook air.

Typically Apple has priced the iPod line to sell. The cost of the device is often about the same as the retail price of the storage media. Of course Apple contracts these in huge quantities, and is not as picky as they are with the pro machines. I imagine prices are falling, and it might be good to wait a year for a Macbook Air.

As an aside, I hear a lot about newegg.com. I went there to see about a sale price they had a refurbed camera. While reading the site, i read their recommendations. According to newegg, the most important thing about a camera is the stated number of pixels on the CCD. Wow, what insight. I suppose the most important spec on a compute is the processor speed, and that POS car with an over-clocked engine advertised on the superbowl is the most desirable automobile of the year. I would likely agree that cheap flash from them is exactly that.

Capacity Isn't The iPhone's Problem (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22312548)

Poor design is the iPhone's problem.

Sure it looks good in Apple marketing.
Sure Jobs cradled it in his hands on stage and proclaimed it the best thing ever.

But the real problem is the iPhone just is a crappy to use phone. It is far too bulky and fragile for everyday use unless you are focused on carefully not damaging it. It looks and feels silly talking into it.

It really is only good for sitting around playing with the screen showing to your friends or hoping someone will notice you using it.

Re:Capacity Isn't The iPhone's Problem (3, Insightful)

NetJunkie (56134) | more than 6 years ago | (#22312608)

The iPhone is the same size as a current BlackBerry and millions of BB users don't find the phones bulky or fragile. The only people that think they are fragile are those that freak out on the first scratch. My BlackBerry 8830 has been kicked across the room and dropped on tile numerous times. Is it pristine? Oh no. But it still works just fine. When I get an iPhone it will be the same way. Battered and bruised, but I bet it still works.

My complaint on both products: No A2DP. Why...WHY?!! I'd go get an iTouch today if it had it. I want an A2DP player for the gym but also want an iTouch.

Re:Capacity Isn't The iPhone's Problem (1)

Actually, I do RTFA (1058596) | more than 6 years ago | (#22313716)

The iPhone is the same size as a current BlackBerry and millions of BB users don't find the phones bulky or fragile. The only people that think they are fragile are those that freak out on the first scratch. My BlackBerry 8830 has been kicked across the room and dropped on tile numerous times. Is it pristine? Oh no. But it still works just fine. When I get an iPhone it will be the same way. Battered and bruised, but I bet it still works.

It's not the size of the iPhone/BlackBerry that inheritly makes it fragile. For the iPhone, it is the huge touchscreen. I had a phone with a large touchscreen. Those screens are fragile.

And a BlackBerry, while similar in size, is a different product. Call me when you drop your iPod on the tile, kick it across the room and it still works fine.

Re:Capacity Isn't The iPhone's Problem (4, Interesting)

sl0ppy (454532) | more than 6 years ago | (#22312910)

i drop my poor iphone all of the time. it has a ton of scratches and marks all over it. it still functions just as well, and has continually been a workhorse.

i've only had one problem, and that's lockup at a pub i visit often. unfortunately, every iphone user locks up there as well.

Re:Capacity Isn't The iPhone's Problem (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22313144)

Ah, I see. I look silly using it, yet I hope someone will notice me using it.

Truly, you have a dizzy intellect.

An iPhone survived a semi truck (3, Funny)

thefinite (563510) | more than 6 years ago | (#22313784)

Fragile is one thing the iPhone is not. In fact, it survived falling from a moving car at freeway speeds only to be run over by a semi [ipodnn.com]. Other than a lot of cosmetic damage, it still works in every way.

What were you planning on doing with an iPhone?

And as for bulk, well unless you take your cell phones the way Zoolander [flickr.com] does, the iPhone does pretty well in that regard too. From what I can tell, the only smart phone that is thinner is the Moto Q, and that is only *0.1 mm* thinner.

But you must be right that the only reason people buy an iPhone is to show it off to other people. Thanks for pointing out our vanity.

Falling off the wagon... (-1, Offtopic)

Recovering Hater (833107) | more than 6 years ago | (#22312550)

Hi, My name is Matt and I'm a recovering hater.

Being a recovering hater is difficult. You have to endure stupid articles such as these that point out the obvious. Oooooh! Storage based tech products increase in capacity AND become cheaper as time goes by!? You don't say. Ignorant brainiac reporters! Stupid slow newsday!!!

Oh wait... my bad. Let me just breath a second... Sorry for the venom. One step forward, two steps back.

Re:Falling off the wagon... (1)

joeytmann (664434) | more than 6 years ago | (#22312950)

Now everyone lets thank Matt for being brave and sharing with the rest of the group. *group* Thanks Matt. */group*

Who cares? It's just a product refresh! (4, Insightful)

jmorris42 (1458) | more than 6 years ago | (#22312580)

Seriously, who fscking cares if Apple is doing a normal product refresh? I bet Dell updates the memory/hdd/etc on serveral of it's products every week, don't see that making frontpage news on Slashdot. It even scrolled across foxnews for God's sake, how insane is that? Has everyone drunk that much of Steve's acid spiked Kool-Aid?

This isn't a new product, it is just a ramp in the flash. Something EVERY flash based product does several times per year as prices and capacity get better. It is like announcing water is still wet.

Re:Who cares? It's just a product refresh! (2, Insightful)

je ne sais quoi (987177) | more than 6 years ago | (#22312810)

I care, so just relax already. I think a 32 GB ipod without a price increase also is worth at least looking at. Sure, it's only a normal bump in a product, but so what? I'm interested, I'm sure lots of others are interested too: The New York Times has this up today as well. You Apple haters sure are tedious, not every article needs to be about the end of the world you know.

Re:Who cares? It's just a product refresh! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22313856)

I think a 32 GB ipod without a price increase also is worth at least looking at.

It's a 32 GB ipod *with* a price increase. The new 32GB model costs an extra $100 [apple.com].

Re:Who cares? It's just a product refresh! (1)

Bobfrankly1 (1043848) | more than 6 years ago | (#22312916)

Has everyone drunk that much of Steve's acid spiked Kool-Aid?
I KNEW I tasted something in that sip. And when did slashdot start changing it's color scheme at random!?!

Re:Who cares? It's just a product refresh! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22313162)

I care. Sorry. Some people do. Go read a different story.

Re:Who cares? It's just a product refresh! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22313700)

whaaaaa whaaaa

don't like it, don't read it

Software Innovation (1, Offtopic)

Greenisus (262784) | more than 6 years ago | (#22312636)

This seems to be an unusual year for Apple, in that most of their major innovations are in software, rather than with new gadgets and hardware. Instead of iPhones, new iMacs, etc...the real innovation I'm seeing is with iPhone software and the upcoming SDK, and the new Apple TV software. Of course, the MacBook Air is cool, but I want something powerful and it makes the MacBook Pro look much less attractive (and even dated) to me....

Flash memory prices (2, Interesting)

lancejjj (924211) | more than 6 years ago | (#22312644)

$100 premium for an additional 16 GB of flash on the Touch, but a $100 premium for an additional 8 GB on the iPhone. Ouch.

Although this is an unfair comparison - a decent-but-low-end 8 GB SD memory card retails for about $50; 16 GB for maybe $100. I'm not sure how the speed, power consumption, or reliability of the iPod memory compares with that of stock SD cards.

Re:Flash memory prices (5, Informative)

The Only Druid (587299) | more than 6 years ago | (#22312824)

The problem, as I understand it, is that the iPhone only has room for one flash chip, not two. This means that instead of using two 8 gig chips to give the iPhone 16 gigs, they need to use a single 16 gig chip. The iPod touch, on the other hand, has room for two chips. That's why the cost-to-added-gigs ratio is different.

It also indicates... (4, Funny)

IBBoard (1128019) | more than 6 years ago | (#22312790)

Although the price is still pretty hefty, it indicates that the capacity/price ratio on these wireless flash-based players is starting to move in the right direction.

What it also indicates is that people are willing to pay extortionate amounts for flashy bits of gadget from Apple. Still.

$500 is ~£250. I'm in the UK and bought a house in October. House prices are high at the moment, and the price of an iPhone is a third of my monthly mortgage! Hmmmm, three iPhones/iPods or one mortgage payment? Oh the tough decisions.

Re:It also indicates... (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22312992)

Not apples fault you own a cheap house... ;)

Re:It also indicates... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22313282)

Don't mention mortgage payments. There are Americans on here, you insensitive clod.

Re:It also indicates... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22313530)

Have you used one?

Say what? (2, Informative)

eebra82 (907996) | more than 6 years ago | (#22312802)

Although the price is still pretty hefty, it indicates that the capacity/price ratio on these wireless flash-based players is starting to move in the right direction.
Starting to move in the right direction? It's been declining in a fast pace ever since I bought my first Samsung 32 MB mp3 player, which was about $400.

informative 7uCkerfucker (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22312828)

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Thank you so much Steve! (1)

digirus (854991) | more than 6 years ago | (#22313290)

You're timing is serendipitous. I was wondering what to buy with my $600 economic stimulus check. Now I know!

Good alternative to the Touch? (1)

mbourgon (186257) | more than 6 years ago | (#22313336)

What is a good alternative? I really want those physical dimensions, a decent-display (480-by-320 seems pretty good), WiFi, a Touch screen (not to mention some of those widgets), and at least 4gb of space.

What's out there that's worth getting?

Mixing the two? (1)

JonSarik (1233828) | more than 6 years ago | (#22313804)

Forgive my design ignorance with this question, but would it be that hard to put in a micro platter hard drive in an ipod touch? I would love to have the screen size and functionality of an iPod touch, but refuse to buy one until storage/cost catch up to the iPod classics of today. I'm willing to purchase a thicker iPod touch if it will accommodate one of those mico hard drives. I see no reason why Apple can't do this, and it frustrates me not knowing why. So please, someone set me straight. Thanks.

Still Not Enough (1)

drmemnoch (142036) | more than 6 years ago | (#22313828)

My i-Pod is a 5th 80 Gigger... It is almost full of my music and movies. I switched from the 20Gig to the 80 Gig because I got sick and tired of selecting which media I wanted to sync. If I let the auto sync happen invariably, the song I wanted to listen to wasn't there.

Until there is a 160GB version of the touch I am out. I won't buy an iPhone because AT&T sucks in my area.
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